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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Lorie Valo, cult mom, Will

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Speaker 1: it never end? The line of dead body she leaves

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Speaker 1: in her wake in the last hours Bombshell news in

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Speaker 1: the case of cult mom Lorie Valo and her fifth husband,

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Speaker 1: cult leader Chad day Bell. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our frans at Kifi.

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Speaker 1: In the recording, you can hear Wood talking to Summer Shifflet,

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Speaker 1: Lorie's sister about Laurie's attorney, Mark means we're able to

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Speaker 1: put them in jail with a high belt and these

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Speaker 1: lower charges and put together a base. Our goal is

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Speaker 1: to have such a strong case that when she has

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Speaker 1: confiding counsel. I don't know if you know this. Her

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Speaker 1: attorney has never handled a felony before. He's never never

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Speaker 1: gone any meaningful criminal work at all, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: know what he's doing. He's a nice guy. Yeah he's

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Speaker 1: lying about me, but uh, but he doesn't know what

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Speaker 1: he's doing. And that when once we file for their charges,

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Speaker 1: she will be appointed counsel who will know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And our goal is to put together such a case

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Speaker 1: that they're smart enough to say it's going to be

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Speaker 1: better to talk. Right there, you are hearing the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: in the Valoe cult mom case speaking to Summer Shiplet

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Speaker 1: that is a relative of Lorie Vlows. And these phone

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Speaker 1: conversations have stirred up a whole pot of trouble with

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Speaker 1: me an All Star panel Ashley Wilcot judge, trial Lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Court TV anchor. Find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold MD

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Speaker 1: dot com. Director of the Coldcase Research Institute, crime scene

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Speaker 1: expert Cheryl McCollum. Also she is at coldcasecrimes dot org.

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon Starve, brand new hit series on the

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Speaker 1: True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaison's Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: At first, I'm gonna go to crack reporter with the

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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot com, Eric Grossart. Eric, does it

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Speaker 1: never end with this? I mean, explain to me the

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Speaker 1: recording we just play for everyone. I'm hearing the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: Mark Wood speaking to Summer Shiflet he's saying that cultman

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo's current lawyer has never tried a felony. Well,

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Speaker 1: right now, until they charge Laurie Valo with murder, that

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Speaker 1: may not be an issue. But we understand that the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors are this close to a conspiracy to commit murder charge. Yes, no,

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Speaker 1: So what we know from this recording, this, of course,

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Speaker 1: was in October twenty twenty when Rob Wood went to

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Speaker 1: go speak with Summer Schifflet, Laurie's sister. And during this

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Speaker 1: conversation it was around eighteen minutes, Rob Wood told recorded

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Speaker 1: by first recording it, Eric, So this was actually recorded

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Speaker 1: by Summer Shiflet, Lorie's sister's attorney, Garrett Smith, down in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Why for whatever reason he decided that he wanted to

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Speaker 1: record this. He said that red flags were popping up

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Speaker 1: it went on for about eighteen minutes. Okay, hold on, um, guys, Eric,

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Speaker 1: you're a newbe to our program. But it's like everybody

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Speaker 1: at the supper table, and everybody has a different opinion,

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Speaker 1: So just buckle up. Cheryl McCollum right there at the gate,

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Speaker 1: go why are they recording the prosecutor's conversation? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not angry, I'm just curious. Why would you record

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Speaker 1: It just to me, it doesn't sit well with me, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: It puts a bad taste in my mouth because it

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Speaker 1: for trial more than the defendant. Cheryl McCollum, do I

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Speaker 1: need to remind you of the many, many times defendants

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Speaker 1: trying to get me thrown off the case as their prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: And you know why, because I had a bite of

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Speaker 1: Back to Eric Grossarth, reporter, East Idaho News dot Com,

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Speaker 1: which is awesome by the way, especially on this case. Eric,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. They got ahold of this prosecutor

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Speaker 1: That's not a reason to throw the prosecutor off. Whether

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Speaker 1: you know what, I plead guilty. I'll plead it right now.

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Speaker 1: I won't even take the fifth Cheryl, how many times

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Speaker 1: would you come into the courtroom and say, okay, what's up?

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Speaker 1: But this lawyer has never handled a murder case, or

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Speaker 1: this lawyer this or blah blah blah, or he is

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Speaker 1: not prepared, or he's never argued in a pelic case.

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Speaker 1: Because you're talking it's strategy, and you're talking about your opponent,

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Speaker 1: not to be published, not to cause them any harm,

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Speaker 1: but you are evaluating the playing field. I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Not just that, but's something I learned from you long ago. Dear.

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Speaker 1: It ain't flanda if it's true. So if you're simply

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Speaker 1: play some more of this discussion about how the Colt mom,

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Speaker 1: Laurie valoteam has tried. They've been doing bat bins to

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Speaker 1: to our cut twenty one from our friends Fox thirteen

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Speaker 1: dre in Utah. Attorneys for Chad day Bell and Lorie

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Speaker 1: Valo are trying to get the prosecutor, Rob Wood thrown

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Speaker 1: her niece, Tylie Ryan, before she died. Defense attorneys say

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Speaker 1: But then he goes on to give his own opinion

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Speaker 1: crime stories. With Nancy Grace, guys are talking about the

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Speaker 1: very latest in the cult Mom Laurie Valoe case. As

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Speaker 1: this Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer. There are ways to

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Speaker 1: a stunt, that's all it is, Nate. So you taught

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Speaker 1: reporter East idahonees dot com. They wasted a day and

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Speaker 1: the Emmy has laid out, which is very detailed, seems

425
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Speaker 1: to point toward natural death. I think my biggest question

426
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Speaker 1: is did they scream for everything that they could possibly

427
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: scream for relative to toxicology? You know, when I looked

428
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: at the tox report Nancy on him, the only two

429
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: things that came up positive were narcan, which they apparently

430
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: bumped him up with when they rolled onto the scene

431
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: because for some reason they thought that maybe this was

432
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Speaker 1: an opiate related event. I had heard at one point

433
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Speaker 1: in time that he was kind of frothing at the mouth.

434
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Speaker 1: That this is called a pulmonary admitis cone that comes

435
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: out of the nose and mouth, and sometimes this is

436
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: associated with a drug OD. So they popped him with

437
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: a narcan. He also had caffeine. But they tested for

438
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: all these other things, but nothing like really exotic. You know.

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00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: One thing that came to mind for me was potentially

440
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: a date great drug. Was there something that could have

441
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: been given to him that would have sent him into

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Speaker 1: a respiratory decline that would not have been detected? And

443
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: now at this point time, he has in fact been cremated,

444
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: so we can't go back and revisit that. But let

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00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: me revisit one more thing with you, Nancy. The last

446
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: time JJ was seen, and I'm doing huge air quotes here,

447
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: alive was resting upon Alex Cox's shoulder, walking through that house,

448
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: dead asleep, after he had earlier been seen crawling up

449
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: on the counters and cabinets and acting, you know, completely

450
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: out of control. But yet the last time this child

451
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: was seen was with Alex and he was completely oblivious

452
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: and passed out. And the you and I both obviously

453
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: have kids. We've seen kids pass out and just dead

454
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Speaker 1: to the world. They've run, and they've run, and they've run.

455
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: But I find it very curious that JJ was last

456
00:29:53,800 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: seen with Alex as well. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,

457
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: guys updates, bombshell news in the case I've called mom

458
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo and husband model number five Chad day Belle,

459
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: the cult leader number one. Their courthouse coup attempt was

460
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: made by the defense to throw the prosecutor off the case.

461
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: After an elongated hearing, the judge says, no, denied. Now

462
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: we know that brother Alex Cox, who called my mom

463
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, I referred to as her quote avenging angel

464
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: dead by natural causes. I find it really hard to believe.

465
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: Eric Grosshart, the reporter East Idaho News dot Com all

466
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: over this story that he has troubled breathing for a week,

467
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: refuses to go to a doctor and then get some

468
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of drugs from Mexico and kills over debt. Now

469
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: how that equals natural causes, I'm not sure. But I'm

470
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Speaker 1: not an MD. I'm just a JD. Let's take a listen.

471
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: Eric Grossarth to Erica Stapleton, KP and XR cut twenty

472
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: recordings reveal Laurie talking about murdering her third husband, Tyleie's dad.

473
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: I was going to murder him. I was going to

474
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: kill him like the spuer say. I thought, I could

475
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: I take it anymore. The more you dig into this

476
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: case and the more you start to unravel, you realize

477
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people connected to Laurie are dead. That

478
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: includes her third ex husband. He died from an apparent

479
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: heart attack, but Phoenix police are reviewing that case. Chandler

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00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: Police are also looking into the death of her fourth

481
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Speaker 1: ex husband. After Laurie's brother shot and killed him. Laurie's

482
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: brother is also dead, Gilbert. Police are looking into his death.

483
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: And then there's Chad Day Bell's first wife. Police are

484
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: also reviewing her sudden and unexpected death. And then there's

485
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: the death of her kids, Tyli and JJ. No one

486
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: knows why they're dead, and of course that's the biggest

487
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: question of all. So let me understand this. Eric Grossarth

488
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: sighnews dot com. Alex Cox dead of heart attack, Joseph

489
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: Ryan Valo, husband model three, dead of heart attack, and

490
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: Tammy Daybel Chad Daybell's wife. He married Laurie Valo about

491
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: two weeks after he buried his wife. She died of

492
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: an apparent heart attack. Let me focus on Joseph Ryan

493
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Speaker 1: for a moment. What can you tell me about the

494
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: investigation into his death. Yeah, so that audio recording that

495
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: you just played surface and that hit the news. We

496
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: did a story on it. I know that Joseph Ryan's sister,

497
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Annie Cushion, you've talked to her before. She kind of

498
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: threw an up war about it, and Phoenix police said, Okay,

499
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: we're going to review the case, go over everything that

500
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: we have. They can, of course do an autopsy because

501
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: he was cremated. But they reviewed their notes and other

502
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: themes and other evidence and photos and everything like that,

503
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: and I was told that they have completed their investigation

504
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: and his cause of death remains the same, this apparent

505
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: heart attack. He died of natural causes. Who made a

506
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: decision to cremate husband number three? Who made the decision?

507
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: I would probably defer to Annie, And what she said

508
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: in the last time you talked to her is she

509
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: believes it was the state. Laurie didn't really have any

510
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: contact with Joseph Ryan that we know of. During that time.

511
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Speaker 1: They a lot of people are dropping dead and getting cremated.

512
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Speaker 1: So I understand what you're telling me, Eric Grossarth, is

513
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Speaker 1: that Joseph Ryan's investigation is closed. But if you look

514
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: at the circumstances surrounding his death. Cheryl McCollum, he wanted

515
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: to say his daughter, Okay, Tylie Tyler, who's now dead.

516
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: There was a big controversy about him seeing his daughter.

517
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: At one point, Tyley reportedly said he had molested her.

518
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: She later recanted and said she was coached to say that.

519
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Then suddenly we find Joseph Ryan dead in his own bed, decomposing,

520
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: had been dead for days on end, he gets cremated.

521
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo knew he was dead and did not alert

522
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Speaker 1: his family, according to his family, Yet somehow that has

523
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: been named another death by natural causes. It seems like

524
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: all these pieces of this puzzle or painting a picture

525
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: that cannot be denied anybody that's got facts and evidence

526
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: that she has done something wrong, whether it's concealing a murder,

527
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: or you know, not taking care of the children the

528
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: way that she should, or getting the children to make

529
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: these statements, or getting her brother to pretend shoot a husband.

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00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: You can't keep saying something is natural when you can't

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Speaker 1: prove it any longer. Because they got rid of the evidence.

532
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: And incidentally, these cremations that are happening so quickly, she

533
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: knows that gets rid of evidence. That's exactly what happened

534
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: to Tylie. So jj was not set on fire, but

535
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: Tylie was for days. Remember the neighbor that said they

536
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: thought they were doing a bonfire over a period of days.

537
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: This was not fast, This was not quick. This has

538
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: been going on with this woman for years. You know

539
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: you're right. The only person alive from the day that

540
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Charles Valo was killed is now Laurie val day Bell.

541
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Nate Eton, East, Idaho

542
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: News Cut eighteen the day to her husband, Charles was

543
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: shot in Arizona by her brother. Of course, he said

544
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: he did it in self defense. Charles was coming at

545
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: him with a baseball bat and so he had to

546
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: go get a gun to protect himself. Both Charles was

547
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: an athlete, so if he's going to go in and

548
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: swing with a bat, he's not gonna miss. And if

549
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: you've seen the security or the survey, the bodycamera footage,

550
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: if you've seen the body camera footage from the police

551
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: that day, Alex is gabbing the back of his head

552
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: as if he's been hit with something sharp. Maybe because

553
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: he's gabbing for blood. Well, a baseball bat likely isn't

554
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: going to leave a little ping on the back of

555
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: your head. Tylie was in the house that day. JJ

556
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: was in the house that day. They likely witnessed what happened.

557
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: What we do know is that after that shooting happened,

558
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: Laurie took JJ to school as her husband lays dying

559
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: in the front room. She takes her son to school

560
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: and then returns back and that's when Tylie and Laurie

561
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: spoke with the police. But yeah, the people that were

562
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: in the house that day, the only one surviving right now,

563
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: the only one that saw it all play out is Laurie,

564
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: and she's not talking to the police. What about Tammy

565
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: day Bell. Chad Daybell's wife, healthy as a horse, preparing

566
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: to run a marathon race, dies in her sleep shortly

567
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: after she has made allegations her husband, Chad day Bell's

568
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: having an affair with cult mom Laurie Value, according to reports.

569
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Speaker 1: What's happening with that Eric? Has she just been lost

570
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: in the sauce? You know, they exhumed their body in

571
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: December twenty nineteen, and they're still telling us they're waiting

572
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: for autopsy results. This has been over a year. This

573
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: has been thirteen months now that they are still telling

574
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: us that they're waiting for autopsy results. We don't know

575
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: what happened that day other than Chad called nine one

576
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: one and they found Tammy dead. That's all we know.

577
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: Where do his children stand on that Tammy Daybelle's children,

578
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: You know, they aren't really talking right now. They've kind

579
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: of stayed there personal lives throughout all of this, which

580
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: is understandable. But from what we know, is some of

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00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: her kids have lived in the house where Tammy died

582
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: since then, But other than that, it's a big mystery.

583
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's some of the questions that people

584
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: are hoping to be answered over the next coming months. Nancy, Yeah, yeah,

585
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you when it comes to Tammy day, Belle,

586
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: do you recall what I said about Alex earlier where

587
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: I mentioned the froth the Ademitas cone one of the

588
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: reports with Tammy when kids came into the room, what

589
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: did they see? Well, one of the kids actually said

590
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: there was froth coming from Tammy, from Mommy's mouth and nose,

591
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: or from mom's mouth and nose. And this gives me

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00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: an indication that she's in some kind of congestive failure

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: where her lungs are troubled all right, where she is

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00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: distressed in some way from a respiratory standpoint. Now, how

595
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: does this healthy woman, and as you put it, she

596
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: was training to run a race, how does she suddenly die,

597
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, overnight, And how are they having this awareness

598
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: you know in the corner, didn't even bother to come

599
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: to the scene on this case. This is one of

600
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: the things that really rubs me in the wrong way.

601
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Because one of the things I do in academia study corners,

602
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: and the thing that you have to do with a

603
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: found death is go to the scene and examine the body.

604
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: I think that the corner actually went to the funeral home.

605
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: But then they said, well, it appears natural. It appears natural,

606
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: and they released her. And this is the problem anytime

607
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: you move a body across state lines and her body

608
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: was buried in Utah, keep that in mind. Body has

609
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: to being bomb okay, but they still have a body,

610
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: all right. They buried her and she was in the

611
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: ground for a while. I'm thinking that the Utah State

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00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner down down in Salt Lake City is really

613
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: playing this close to the vest because they are working

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00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: with the police very carefully. I'm not saying that they're

615
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: not still exploring things, but I think that they're holding

616
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: back on releasing any further information until they have exhausted

617
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Speaker 1: every possibility. And I think that this is going to

618
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: drop in a big way when they come out with

619
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Speaker 1: this information relative to Tammy, because listen, hey, Alex is gone,

620
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: the third husband is gone. You know, there's nothing left behind.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing left behind that we can further examine. Now,

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Speaker 1: Tammy and ain't much to examine because she's been embalmed

623
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: and she was in the ground for a while. But

624
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, by golly, we've got a body and we

625
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: have examined it, and not to mention, it's been examined

626
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Speaker 1: by one of the top state medical examiners in the nation. Nancy,

627
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Speaker 1: there's information here, I guarantee it. Long story, short, tick

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Speaker 1: talk talk, When, if ever, will there be murder charges

629
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Speaker 1: against Lorie Valo and husband number five, cult leader Chad

630
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: day Bell. But remember this, they're behind balls. Why rush

631
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the state? This takes time. If the defense wanted to

632
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: raise ahead, they could file demand for speedy trial and

633
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: go on trial. They don't want to go forward either.

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00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: What's the state doing? What's the hold up? We wait

635
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Speaker 1: as justice unfalse? Nancy Grace Crime story signing off, goodbye friend,