Speaker 1: Unique.
Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome to the A Girl Podcast. I'm here
Speaker 2: with the gorgeous, stunning Violetta. Thank you so much for coming. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I want to get into your whole story. You're
Speaker 2: an icon, a ballerina. There's so much to you.
Speaker 3: What was it like growing up in New York? Wow?
Speaker 3: Growing up in New York.
Speaker 1: I think I didn't realize how intense it was until
Speaker 1: I actually left the city and experienced what other people's
Speaker 1: lives look like in other places. I'm very lucky that
Speaker 1: I've been able to travel a lot, especially with like
Speaker 1: my job, and you know, so it was like the
Speaker 1: grass as it was greener, right, So sometimes I see
Speaker 1: something and I'm like, oh, I wish I had that.
Speaker 3: I wish I grew up like that.
Speaker 1: But then coming back to the city, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: but it's a unique experience.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 1: It does strengthen you a lot. It prepares you for anything.
Speaker 1: You're not, you know, shocked by certain things. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say you're numb to them, but you
Speaker 1: are sensitized for sure. Yeah, desensitized exactly. But I think
Speaker 1: also more accepting of different kinds of people, different kinds
Speaker 1: of culture. It really is a melting pot, like to
Speaker 1: the max. And so ballet wise, like, I was so
Speaker 1: lucky that I was able to be seen by my
Speaker 1: first ballet school. It's called Ballet Tech, and it's this man,
Speaker 1: Elliott Felt, who's like an icon in his own right
Speaker 1: in the ballet world, in the dance world. He has
Speaker 1: a school, a public ballet school that will go and
Speaker 1: audition students throughout New York and they found me. And honestly, like,
Speaker 1: my whole life, my whole career, everything that's been a blessing,
Speaker 1: and like the best stuff in my life has come
Speaker 1: from that, from that moment and that happening in my life.
Speaker 3: That's so amazing.
Speaker 2: When did dance become something bigger than just a hobbyer
Speaker 2: activity for you? When did you know, like, this is
Speaker 2: going to be my career.
Speaker 1: So I it was sort of around the end of
Speaker 1: eighth grade.
Speaker 3: Was such a crazy time to be like, I know
Speaker 3: what I'm going to do for my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do I explain it? It's it kind of
Speaker 1: just kept it was like a the momentum kept building.
Speaker 3: So it was something that I always wanted to do.
Speaker 1: But again, I grew up with a single mom from Ukraine,
Speaker 1: who didn't really understand the ballet world. So she wasn't
Speaker 1: like I'm going to send you to these schools and
Speaker 1: I'm going to send you, you know, and like she
Speaker 1: she you know, if she could make it to the show.
Speaker 3: She would come, but she was at work.
Speaker 1: And it was something that I think I just I
Speaker 1: loved and I you know, as as a ten year old,
Speaker 1: as a thirteen year old, you're not like, this is
Speaker 1: going to be my career because I didn't understand what
Speaker 1: even a career meant.
Speaker 3: At that age.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately I didn't have that. But it just kind
Speaker 1: of it was almost like a blessing. It was like
Speaker 1: sent from somewhere else where. It just kept going and going.
Speaker 1: So I graduated, I went to LaGuardia. I was one
Speaker 1: of two kids that got in or one of three
Speaker 1: I think that got into LaGuardia High School for perform
Speaker 1: my arts. I went there and then I started you know,
Speaker 1: performing and learning about performing. I started doing Martha Graham dance,
Speaker 1: and we started to do ballet. But then we had Graham,
Speaker 1: we had hort and we had jazz, various types of
Speaker 1: dance that then I would use later in my life
Speaker 1: in like crazy situations like I didn't I wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: fully fully invested in Martha Graham and Graham Dance. But
Speaker 1: then I did a show with the Nogucci for six
Speaker 1: months where I was doing Graham, So I was like,
Speaker 1: thank god, you know that I have that kind of
Speaker 1: in my back pocket.
Speaker 2: Iconic literally iconic. What did ballet teach you about discipline
Speaker 2: at a young age?
Speaker 1: Again, like you don't really as a kid understand why
Speaker 1: you are this way, But I'm trying to like tune
Speaker 1: back into the baby V.
Speaker 3: I would fight.
Speaker 1: Against it a bit, to be honest. It was so structured,
Speaker 1: it was so serious. It was like, hey, you have
Speaker 1: to lock in, start doing this, take it seriously, because
Speaker 1: you know, you miss two classes or you kind of
Speaker 1: slack off in one class and then the next day
Speaker 1: your body is unhappy, you're injured, you're getting injured, or
Speaker 1: you're you don't feel like you're on your leg. And
Speaker 1: I think I was always sort of I was like
Speaker 1: a bit of a rebel, but then I was also
Speaker 1: someone that really wanted to be an overachiever, So it
Speaker 1: would be those two sides kind of clashing. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to class and now I'm off my
Speaker 1: leg but I like to be like good in class,
Speaker 1: so let me like make sure I get back into it.
Speaker 1: And it was all It was all myself. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like my mom, my teacher, nothing. It was me being like,
Speaker 1: I need to do this, I need to be good
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 2: Ballet is such a beautiful world from the outside, but
Speaker 2: it's like the most demanding, like you said, structured, it's
Speaker 2: just an extremely difficult sport, if you will.
Speaker 3: What do you think people misunderstand the most about it.
Speaker 1: I think they misunderstand just how difficult the industry can be,
Speaker 1: and it is. It is so beautiful, and I think
Speaker 1: now people are being a little more vocal about it.
Speaker 1: But there's not that many jobs, there's not that much
Speaker 1: money in it, and like unfortunately that's the reality of it.
Speaker 1: So I've seen a lot of people, like dancers and
Speaker 1: teachers start making videos about like, Okay, how do you
Speaker 1: manage your finances as a dancer?
Speaker 3: How do you actually properly audition?
Speaker 1: And I've had older dancers and teachers say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: cattle calls auditions. I mean we are standing in line,
Speaker 1: I have a number on here and I still do
Speaker 1: it to this day, which you know, I'm thirty now,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I still show up to these things
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I really want this. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: in the Broadway and every other career people do this
Speaker 1: as well. And also, the top top top dancers are
Speaker 1: not living the lives that the top top top actors
Speaker 1: are and top top top athletes.
Speaker 3: In other sports.
Speaker 1: Maybe not all sports, but yeah, we're not living those lives.
Speaker 1: So when you're dance and saying what does your day
Speaker 1: to day look like? What's the day to day of
Speaker 1: a New York City ballerina?
Speaker 3: So I am freelance.
Speaker 1: I currently I have a show coming up at the
Speaker 1: Joyce Theater in June, and actually it's an alumni show
Speaker 1: case with my past with my first ballet school, Oh wow,
Speaker 1: and it's called Echoes of the Studio and Deon Figgins
Speaker 1: there's an incredible choreographer and.
Speaker 3: She used to be a dance theater of Harlem.
Speaker 1: She has taken over as an artistic director of Ballet
Speaker 1: Tech and she's core. I mean she knows every single
Speaker 1: kids role and every single dancers role and every single
Speaker 1: piece choreography. It is incredible watching her do it. But
Speaker 1: she she created this whole new piece, and it's like
Speaker 1: younger students that kind of look up to us and
Speaker 1: then kind of the roles reverse and we, you know,
Speaker 1: welcome them.
Speaker 3: It's very sweet.
Speaker 1: I get very emotional during rehearsals, but so currently because
Speaker 1: I'm doing those.
Speaker 3: I take class at ten.
Speaker 1: Am every morning, and then I usually either work out
Speaker 1: or just do like stuff on my computer, and then
Speaker 1: I go to rehearsals and those can go up to
Speaker 1: three to four hours, starting at like two thirty three pm,
Speaker 1: and onwards.
Speaker 3: You work out and dance.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm doing rehearsals Tuesday's Thursdays, and actually as
Speaker 1: the show approaches a little more, but on the days off,
Speaker 1: I'll try to actually go and work out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we combine, we combine the two. I think cross training
Speaker 1: is so important nowadays, especially I can't even.
Speaker 2: Get to the gym, let alone do dance routines and
Speaker 2: go to the gym. What does it take mentally for
Speaker 2: you to succeed in such a competitive environment.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't let the rejection get to you.
Speaker 1: You don't let you keep going. You say, oh here's
Speaker 1: another whatever that's not for me, you know, rejections, redirection,
Speaker 1: I forgot. I think it was like, who's Sabrina, Serena.
Speaker 3: Karrigan or someone. Yeah, that Serena Karragan said that. I remember,
Speaker 3: and I never forgot the wise Serena. Rejection is direction. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of rejection and you just keep going.
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes you're fighting against your own body
Speaker 1: and you wake up and you're tired, or you're injured,
Speaker 1: or there's something going on, and you just take care
Speaker 1: of yourself and take care of your body and say, hey,
Speaker 1: something else is coming. Staying inspired, I think seeing shows,
Speaker 1: going to the ballet if you can, supporting dance, going
Speaker 1: to the museum, going to an art gallery, reading books.
Speaker 1: There's so much inspiration too, and I think it's so
Speaker 1: important in every career, especially if you're freelance though, Like
Speaker 1: stay inspired, is.
Speaker 2: That what you do to like hone your taste and
Speaker 2: hone you do? Going to ballet performances and museums and.
Speaker 1: Museums, ballet performances, and a lot of reading. I've been
Speaker 1: obsessed with reading.
Speaker 3: What kind of books do you like? To fantasy? Okay,
Speaker 3: love love a lot of fantasy, Okay, love it.
Speaker 2: I always read non fiction and then I realize that
Speaker 2: that's just like my type a personality, and I'm like
Speaker 2: not getting any like inspiration or creativity out of it,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, why did I never read fiction? I
Speaker 2: only ever read biographies or autobiographies or just like tellings
Speaker 2: of things that happened.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I need to get into this like fantasy.
Speaker 2: Weird, crazy world because I feel like it would be
Speaker 2: good for my creativity.
Speaker 3: The right side of the book, Yeah, I think you should.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite fantasy book or a book that I
Speaker 2: need to read to get into the genre.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to do a quarter of Thorne Snrosis. Okay,
Speaker 1: you have to do that whole series.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: But what happened was I started with that series and
Speaker 1: then I was like, wait, I really like this, and
Speaker 1: then I started I started doing like Ursula Lagean I
Speaker 1: started doing I'm currently reading Wrinkle in Time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's like a classic fairy tale. I just
Speaker 3: finished Qushell Start, which is really really good too.
Speaker 1: It's different and it's like Jacqueline Carry It's like older fantasy,
Speaker 1: like from the two thousands early two thousands that just
Speaker 1: is very beautifully written. It's like poetic but has some
Speaker 1: topics it's not for everyone. Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Her favorite favorite one is.
Speaker 2: I'll do the Court of Thornce and Roses every I
Speaker 2: already I think, I like bought it on my iPad
Speaker 2: and then it was I got one page in, it
Speaker 2: was like, I don't.
Speaker 3: But I need to. I gotta. Yeah, I will do it.
Speaker 3: I will dive in.
Speaker 1: I think why that series is such a good one
Speaker 1: to start with and really guess people into the series,
Speaker 1: into the genre is because so Sarah Mass Like I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of research on her. She studied literature,
Speaker 1: and she read so many books, and she was obsessed
Speaker 1: with fantasy, and I feel like she just kind of
Speaker 1: read so much and put it into her stories that
Speaker 1: you get a taste of like everything, okay, and then
Speaker 1: I started to like puzzle it out and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I want to read this like high fantasy, and
Speaker 1: I want to read fairy tales, and I want to
Speaker 1: read romanticy and I want to read, you know, dystopian
Speaker 1: kind of fiction.
Speaker 2: We talk a lot on the podcast about like honing
Speaker 2: your taste and like the things that you do to
Speaker 2: like curate your taste.
Speaker 3: So that's a really good one.
Speaker 2: Because we get a lot of like obviously pinterest or
Speaker 2: like old movies. But it's like the idea of reading
Speaker 2: fantasy books to kind of like enhance your taste and
Speaker 2: your interest in your creativity is such great advice. Do
Speaker 2: you think that growing up in ballet shaped the way
Speaker 2: you see beauty and femininity in your personal style?
Speaker 3: Yes, so.
Speaker 1: Growing up in ballet shape my style because style a
Speaker 1: lot of the times I feel like, is how you
Speaker 1: just present yourself. Right, It's how you sit, it's how
Speaker 1: you move, it's how it's how you wear the clothes.
Speaker 1: And something about ballet has I think I've realized now
Speaker 1: like really inspired that, but more just how I feel
Speaker 1: and how I wear the clothes.
Speaker 3: Like your confidence, you're you have good posture, all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your posture, your confidence exactly, it's how you wear
Speaker 1: the clothes.
Speaker 3: So I think it's shaped. It's shaped that for me.
Speaker 1: And obviously, like you know, ballet core is really popular
Speaker 1: now and I liked that how happening because I was like,
Speaker 1: oh easy, he just pulled out my warm ups.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: And you have a very like simplistic minimal I feel
Speaker 2: like it goes with that just like very like natural beauty. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's not a very like overly glam. You're just like
Speaker 2: a natural easy beauty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also it's like within dance, especially being I think
Speaker 1: any kind of athlete or someone who works out a lot,
Speaker 1: you don't really have time to go through so much
Speaker 1: processing and you know, the hair having it perfect, like
Speaker 1: you know, it's from a bun that you're sweating in
Speaker 1: all day. And I have to go to an event
Speaker 1: now or I have to go like somewhere, So it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: how do I, you know, work with what I have
Speaker 1: and make it effortless? Effortless Valerina, Look, I love like
Speaker 1: my skin is still sticky for balet, but it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's a glow.
Speaker 3: I love that use the glow. I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that my skin is sticky from walking up
Speaker 2: and down my stairs.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: That's so much Chaker, what parts of yourself do you
Speaker 2: feel like dance gave you? And were there any parts
Speaker 2: that you feel like you had to unlearn, like maybe
Speaker 2: bad habits that you got into because of it.
Speaker 3: Because of that?
Speaker 1: What parts it has given me? I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: we mentioned it earlier. Really good posture and being aware
Speaker 1: of that there's also like a there's also a side
Speaker 1: of dancers where we're very when we were in school,
Speaker 1: when we were young, we because dance is from like
Speaker 1: these old French courts and royal societies, Like there is
Speaker 1: a whole side of it where you do have to
Speaker 1: be very like gracious and grateful, and you know, after
Speaker 1: every class, no matter where you are, what school, like,
Speaker 1: we bow to the teachers and to the pianist. And
Speaker 1: that's something that I just as a kid, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been bowing since I was nine years old to
Speaker 1: the people in the room. So I think that you
Speaker 1: carry on into life and I like it. I think
Speaker 1: that saying thank you and being respectful exactly is some
Speaker 1: like an art that I think we should nurture for
Speaker 1: our future generations and then unlearn. Unlearn well, just being
Speaker 1: judgmental with yourself, I think looking in a mirror and
Speaker 1: judging yourself and comparing yourself to other people, it's really unhealthy,
Speaker 1: and I think it's just kind of it's a part
Speaker 1: of it, right.
Speaker 3: I can't say it's all.
Speaker 1: Bad because you do say, hey, okay, like my arm
Speaker 1: doesn't look right, my like the line is not good
Speaker 1: in this pose, let me fix it, But then like
Speaker 1: you start to go a little further and you know,
Speaker 1: depress yourself.
Speaker 3: So I think that's.
Speaker 1: Something as I've gotten older, I'm like, no, let me
Speaker 1: work with what I have instead of try to change it.
Speaker 3: Or wish it was different. Yeah, I feel like that's probably.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I've never been a ballerina,
Speaker 2: but I can only imagine how much you have to
Speaker 2: do comparing yourself to other people's, especially like you said,
Speaker 2: like doing auditions and cattle calls and just being like
Speaker 2: one of one.
Speaker 3: Hundred and all of that.
Speaker 2: But I feel like you're very strong and you're very confident,
Speaker 2: and so I feel like you have a good navigation
Speaker 2: of that. And we get asked a lot on the podcast,
Speaker 2: like what do you do for confidence? What's your confidence advice?
Speaker 3: Everything?
Speaker 2: So I feel like you're a good person to talk
Speaker 2: to about it, because what a challenging environment.
Speaker 3: To be and especially to grow up in as like
Speaker 3: a young girl.
Speaker 2: I feel like it could really recavoc on you if
Speaker 2: you don't have like a good head on your shoulders exactly.
Speaker 1: It took a really long time to get there. I
Speaker 1: will say, like I was not born this way on
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. I was very shy, shy in front
Speaker 1: of cameras, shy in front of teachers, like auditions. But
Speaker 1: I think it took time to grow it and it's
Speaker 1: it is more about this like knowing of yourself.
Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm.
Speaker 1: Thirty years old, so it took me probably all of
Speaker 1: my twenties to finally get there. And I'm I'm still growing,
Speaker 1: I'm still working on and I'm still learning. But there
Speaker 1: is a side of it of like who am I
Speaker 1: How do I stay authent dick to myself? I actually
Speaker 1: recently discovered this, but I'm like, if you are changing
Speaker 1: the way that you dress for any person or for anything,
Speaker 1: you know you have this like innate style.
Speaker 3: You have this.
Speaker 1: Obviously everyone's is growing, but if you're changing to try
Speaker 1: to fit in somewhere, it's probably not the right room.
Speaker 1: It's probably the right not the right people. It's you know,
Speaker 1: you have to you have to be authentic and you
Speaker 1: have to be yourself honestly, funny enough color analysis. I
Speaker 1: know it's like a craze right now. I did it
Speaker 1: this woman, Julia.
Speaker 3: I think it's dope.
Speaker 1: Keina did mine and changed my life changed.
Speaker 3: I keep telling me, I need to do it, So
Speaker 3: I need to do it. Do it.
Speaker 1: It will because it also just makes shopping easier, everything easier.
Speaker 1: And right now there's like such a there's so much
Speaker 1: and you know, I can't wear orange, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I see someone wearing orange and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I can orange, but I can't.
Speaker 3: They tell you, they like tell you exactly what colors
Speaker 3: look good and then which ones you should never wear.
Speaker 1: Yes, but you can also see it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you hold it up in front of your face.
Speaker 3: You look sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like bringing out your eyes, bringing out
Speaker 1: your features or something overpowers you, which I think actually strategically,
Speaker 1: if there's a day when you're like I don't really
Speaker 1: want to be too forward, like let me put something
Speaker 1: on that kind of overpowers me but takes the attention,
Speaker 1: and that's okay. You know you can strategically use it too,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it changes.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're the millionth person to suggest color analysis to me,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to hop on it.
Speaker 1: And it's not just like one color, no color. It's
Speaker 1: like they give you a whole bunch of colors.
Speaker 3: And did you go to her I did it online.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, and she she'll like hold like no makeup nothing,
Speaker 1: she holds up these things and I've taken what she said,
Speaker 1: which I'm a deep winter spot on.
Speaker 3: Okay, I need to do this. Okay, I like this.
Speaker 3: I really am going to do this.
Speaker 2: How would you describe your personal style right now?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 1: It is actually quite minimal and minimal in the sense
Speaker 1: that I've love I still love wearing flowery and dazzles
Speaker 1: and whatever, and like leathers and shiny and those like
Speaker 1: fun patterns. I mean, not too many patterns, but some
Speaker 1: patterns like the jack and I wore today has patterned,
Speaker 1: but a lot of just pieces that I keep rewaring,
Speaker 1: so Wolford body suits, leathers, wolves, nice fabrics. Minimal, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like less stuff. My closet is not that big, so
Speaker 1: I was like, there's too much stuff in here. Let's
Speaker 1: like really, But I think also curating it the way
Speaker 1: that I've done has made again life so much easier.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you if you approach dressing
Speaker 2: differently now than you did a few years ago or
Speaker 2: in your early twenties, would you say that, like downsizing
Speaker 2: is the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I think downsizing.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Again, like finding out color analysis, finding out authentically what
Speaker 1: is my style, what do I what, what am I
Speaker 1: drawn to, what looks best on me? And then also
Speaker 1: what can I wear in multiple settings? In what can
Speaker 1: I wear to a theater, to dinner, to a meeting,
Speaker 1: to a podcast interview, to you know, run to ballet,
Speaker 1: run on the subway. Especially if you're like someone that
Speaker 1: lives in a city, you need comfort. And so that
Speaker 1: has really helped me redefine my style is just thinking
Speaker 1: about like what is my life and what do I
Speaker 1: what do I need every day?
Speaker 3: Sorry? What was the question? Now you got it?
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: It's just how did you how do you approach dressing
Speaker 2: differently now than maybe you did a few years ago
Speaker 2: or in your early twenties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also exactly soizing downsizing, and I'm trying to think, yeah,
Speaker 1: just find finding out what your style is and how
Speaker 1: you want to come across to the world.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: But that's also what's really fun about fashion is you
Speaker 1: can really be anyone you want, right.
Speaker 2: It's fun to play with what makes something instantly chic
Speaker 2: to you? Being timeless I do, Yeah, I love a
Speaker 2: timeless classic, you'll give me like Audrey Hepburn vibes. Are
Speaker 2: there eras of women or eras of fashion that you
Speaker 2: find you always go back to to inspiration for inspiration.
Speaker 1: Nineties the nineties supermodels. I mean they were very if
Speaker 1: you think about it, very minimal. It was all clean cut,
Speaker 1: like black, gray, white leather jeans, denim tank top, just
Speaker 1: so classic in like a black boot. Like I still
Speaker 1: have a lot of my mom's stuff from the nineties,
Speaker 1: and I just always go back and the fact that
Speaker 1: she was wearing that and then now I'm wearing it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think also we had all these
Speaker 1: like brands that were strictly New York, like Coal.
Speaker 3: I have this like vintage.
Speaker 2: And tailored so beautifully and cut so beautifully and made was.
Speaker 3: Such good fabric and like affordablele.
Speaker 2: I know, everything used to be great fabric and now
Speaker 2: it's just such bad fabric. The things from the nineties
Speaker 2: are so much better made.
Speaker 3: My friend wore this.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, I'm actually wearing a Ann Taylor skirt. I
Speaker 1: got on, like this leather like midi skirt I got
Speaker 1: on I think Poshmark for twenty five dollars or just
Speaker 1: like and my friend had worn this Ann Taylor vintages
Speaker 1: was her mom's like bomber, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: is that? She sicks Ann Taylor from the nineties and
Speaker 1: I immediately went on online. I mean, I'm worried now
Speaker 1: because everyone's gonna buy it all.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no nineties and tailor is very underrated and
Speaker 2: CD perfect contemporary pieces and it's like a Ritzia Vibes
Speaker 2: but cheaper because it's so old and but it achieves
Speaker 2: the same look. Yeah, the skirt is I guarantee that
Speaker 2: skirt would be Threraanngellars at a Ritzya. I have one
Speaker 2: hundred percent no and to old school and Taylor and
Speaker 2: old Banana Republic.
Speaker 3: Very she very well made, Okay, I didn't know very
Speaker 3: well made.
Speaker 2: What is your relationship with beauty and self care like
Speaker 2: these days?
Speaker 3: What's your routine? What are you doing? Do you feel
Speaker 3: like it's changed a lot?
Speaker 1: So I have finally figured out my routine. It's very simple,
Speaker 1: but it's a toner every night, every day. I always
Speaker 1: do you know what toner it is?
Speaker 3: Beolare okay? Chic?
Speaker 1: Chic? They actually they send it to me in like
Speaker 1: a as a gift, and I used it and I was.
Speaker 1: Now it's just like big bottle re buy every single
Speaker 1: time it runs out. It really cleans the skin well.
Speaker 1: And like again I really struggled with like acne in
Speaker 1: these areas, and then also with that clean your brushes.
Speaker 1: Change your cases very important, you know, if you have,
Speaker 1: like any body stuff like change your shirts every night
Speaker 1: every day if you can, Like you know, some people
Speaker 1: will sleep in pajamas a few times, but like try
Speaker 1: to change it every night.
Speaker 3: And then what else?
Speaker 1: And then like serums moist up very simple, honestly, a
Speaker 1: toner serum, moisturizer, I cream. Where do you go to
Speaker 1: for beauty inspiration, like for makeup and that kind of vibe?
Speaker 3: Good question to be honest, I kind of create it myself.
Speaker 3: That your own inspiration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will play around with beauty. I've finally learned
Speaker 1: what I like with my eyes, Like I can't do
Speaker 1: a full eyeliner, I have to I always just kind
Speaker 1: of do these corners because I've got like hooded eyes. Again,
Speaker 1: finding but also actually looking online and seeing creators who
Speaker 1: look like you have similar eyes, similar coloring, similar color analysis.
Speaker 1: Game changer truly, and I actually have been doing a
Speaker 1: lot of like upper water line with like Chanelle has
Speaker 1: these like waterproof eyeliners, and I'll use like stick eyeliner.
Speaker 3: I'll use it.
Speaker 1: I'll do deep purple, deep blue, deep green, and it
Speaker 1: creates this like amazing effect in the eye, and then
Speaker 1: like regular mascara and stuff.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's really good advice to find people
Speaker 2: that look like you. That's like the ultimate beauty advice.
Speaker 2: And my I was talking to my hairstyles about this
Speaker 2: because she was like, people come in and they show
Speaker 2: me haircuts that they want and I'm like, you don't
Speaker 2: look like Cianna Miller.
Speaker 3: That's not going to look like that on you. Like,
Speaker 3: it's just not gonna look like that on you.
Speaker 2: And I feel like makeup two is so personal that
Speaker 2: you literally, like you said, you have to look at
Speaker 2: people who are the same coloring as you, the same
Speaker 2: face shape as you, the same vibe as you. That's
Speaker 2: what it's gonna look like. If you try to emanate
Speaker 2: someone else's face, it's just not going to look right
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 3: So it's fantastic beauty advice.
Speaker 2: I literally was just having this conversation the other day
Speaker 2: and I was like, is that me talking about how
Speaker 2: I want bangs? Because I was talking to my hairsuns
Speaker 2: about and she was like, you don't look like that.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, cool, okay, great.
Speaker 3: Well I could see you with a bang like a
Speaker 3: high bank. Look at your beautiful banks. I want bangs.
Speaker 2: But she was like absolutely not, Oh no, no.
Speaker 3: Every time I get them, I regret them. But I
Speaker 3: feel like you have wispy bangs. Mind just kind of
Speaker 3: like you have the hair for it. But it's a process.
Speaker 1: You also have to I always like have to wet
Speaker 1: this area because they will display.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's very like.
Speaker 1: If you actually look, it's very it's just like a
Speaker 1: little triangle.
Speaker 3: It's a perfect bang. I'm just afraid.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just they look like this because my
Speaker 2: hair is so straight, and I'm just.
Speaker 1: Like, oh I see, I see, well I blow it
Speaker 1: out every day, but yeah, it's it's you.
Speaker 3: Also, I look a little bit like a child with bangs.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 2: It's just it's every time I get them, I immediately
Speaker 2: start clipping them back. But I was like, I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm older now I could pull off bangs. And
Speaker 2: she was like, you really simply can't. You're and I
Speaker 2: like she was showing her inswel pictures and she was like,
Speaker 2: do you think you look like her? And no, I
Speaker 2: guess I don't feel like I'm Heidi Clum. Literally, I'm like,
Speaker 2: are you saying I don't look exactly? Is there anything
Speaker 2: that people assume about you that you think is completely
Speaker 2: inaccurate or do you feel like people have your vibe
Speaker 2: from being online?
Speaker 1: I have seen some stuff about me being like they're like,
Speaker 1: she's like this rich girl, and which is again no
Speaker 1: hate on those people, but like it's so far from
Speaker 1: the truth. That's like, I did not come from money.
Speaker 3: I was not.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, unfortunately I wish I did. I know it was
Speaker 1: not the same way.
Speaker 3: Not the reality in my life.
Speaker 1: So not a NEPO baby. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: say NEPO baby because I'm jealous.
Speaker 3: I wish I was Aphoby too. I say that jealous.
Speaker 3: You say that all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm like you, I wish to my parents, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what were you doing?
Speaker 3: What were you doing? What were you doing with your time?
Speaker 3: I'm like, we could have been accumulating money, fame, well, success,
Speaker 3: all of these things that you could have just given
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: But also like the knowledge, you know, I'm like I
Speaker 1: love I love those people that actually do what their
Speaker 1: parents do and do it really well because I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course, like your parents taught you that. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine being around that, Like I wish my mom was
Speaker 1: like a principal ballerina from back in the day.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like it would have probably.
Speaker 1: Helped me a lot in my life to know those things. So,
Speaker 1: but no, I think that, and then I think that's
Speaker 1: about it. You know, there's it's it's mainly like I'll
Speaker 1: see that sometimes online and I'm just like.
Speaker 2: I feel like the it's a good thing for you
Speaker 2: to correct because I feel like you deserve credit for
Speaker 2: your hard work, like you deserve to be known for
Speaker 2: what you did, and so I feel like that's important
Speaker 2: that you say, no, actually, that's not where I came from.
Speaker 3: That's not what I did.
Speaker 2: I worked really hard and being like especially being a
Speaker 2: palerine like that is a tough, tough, competitive thing. So
Speaker 2: to be successful at that, you deserve to get to
Speaker 2: say like, nobody handed this to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it was.
Speaker 1: Incredibly hard, a lot of work, and it still is.
Speaker 1: It's not it doesn't really get hasier, it gets harder.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it probably gets harder as you
Speaker 1: be older. I can only imagine.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've become more private as you've
Speaker 2: gotten older. Is that something that you've prioritized.
Speaker 3: Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You don't realize how sacred privacy is until.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had some stuff in my life obviously
Speaker 1: where just stuff I didn't really realize I didn't want known.
Speaker 1: And also, you know what, so I want to say,
Speaker 1: like we grew up in a time where everything changed, right.
Speaker 1: It was that sort of shift from my space, Facebook
Speaker 1: into like Instagram, and then it became very popular to
Speaker 1: really share your least.
Speaker 2: Show every single detail with no limits, and everybody was
Speaker 2: doing it and no one knew what the consequences were
Speaker 2: going to be, and like the.
Speaker 1: Way that we were posting, and I feel like I
Speaker 1: was like kind of like posting things that I look
Speaker 1: back at, I'm like, what was I think? And it's
Speaker 1: it's a bit annoying that, you know, you it be
Speaker 1: it started at that age because then I feel like nowadays,
Speaker 1: if I had if social media had started, I would
Speaker 1: not be posting the things that I was posting or
Speaker 1: like sharing on the internet. But again, it was it
Speaker 1: was like the time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do not think I should have had an Instagram
Speaker 2: or Facebook at like sixteen, Like I just didn't know
Speaker 2: my space. I just didn't know the consequences of Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't. You're not developed yet, You're not the person
Speaker 2: you want to present to the world. And then you
Speaker 2: realize you're presenting yourself to every potential employer and friend
Speaker 2: and everything.
Speaker 3: Like that, And like you said, I think.
Speaker 2: We're learning now the repercussions of being a public figure
Speaker 2: of like what happens when you show everything and the
Speaker 2: way people feel like I don't know if this happens
Speaker 2: to you, but people feeling like they know you, yes,
Speaker 2: and that has been strudging you, and like feeling like
Speaker 2: they truly know your personality and they truly know how
Speaker 2: you would act in a situation.
Speaker 3: It's just like you have never been in the same
Speaker 3: room as me, you don't know me. It's very it's
Speaker 3: very interesting.
Speaker 1: But it's also I don't think it comes from a
Speaker 1: horrible place on their side either. It's just like they
Speaker 1: want to almost know you, they want to be your friend,
Speaker 1: They feel close to you for some reason.
Speaker 3: So it's like I can't hate on that either. But
Speaker 3: it's it it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think privacy is sacred.
Speaker 3: And but also you know, I would love I love.
Speaker 1: Showcasing ballet, I love showcasing interests, talking about books, talking
Speaker 1: about fashion like that is so fun for me, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what people nowadays like everyone wants someone
Speaker 1: that kind of helps them be better, right, and so
Speaker 1: that gladly you know. But like relationships, yeah, unless it's
Speaker 1: like very relatable, unless it's like very relatable for someone
Speaker 1: to certain things that I don't think need to be shared.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: I feel like too, I've started to realize that like
Speaker 2: the evil eye is real and like people root against you,
Speaker 2: so like talking too much about like things that haven't
Speaker 2: happened yet or like things that you want, it can
Speaker 2: be like karmically bad. This is something someone told me
Speaker 2: and I was like, wait, I'm aligned with this. You
Speaker 2: have to like protect what's sacred to you because the
Speaker 2: unfortunate thing is, yes, there's like the people who think
Speaker 2: you're friends with them, I think are great and I
Speaker 2: think it's a whole new kind of relationship that just
Speaker 2: like technology has led to it's like people that have
Speaker 2: a relationship with you that have never met you. And
Speaker 2: for the most part, I'd say, like ninety percent are good.
Speaker 2: But then there's also like you want to protect yourself
Speaker 2: from people who don't wish you well, and so like
Speaker 2: if you show things that haven't happened or haven't come
Speaker 2: to fruition, or like you talk a lot about something
Speaker 2: you want, people start rooting against you and they like,
Speaker 2: they just don't don't have your best interest. So you
Speaker 2: have to hold those things until you're ready to share them.
Speaker 1: I think that is exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I've realized with a lot of friends, like I don't
Speaker 1: really have that many friends. I have close knit group
Speaker 1: of people that usually I met either through dance or
Speaker 1: maybe even like work, and those are and then like
Speaker 1: as a kid, obviously I had a few friends, but
Speaker 1: it's it's not the same group that it used to be.
Speaker 1: And I just I started notice it's important that they.
Speaker 2: Don't wish you well, like they're not even if it's
Speaker 2: not conscious, it's like you're you don't have my best
Speaker 2: feels at heart. Yeah, there's like an innate feeling, you know,
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's more important too as you
Speaker 2: get older, is like the right people like you said,
Speaker 2: make sure you're in the right room.
Speaker 3: If you feel like you have to change yourself, you're
Speaker 3: in the wrong room.
Speaker 1: I also remember seeing something where they said, like the
Speaker 1: twenties was your yes era, and then the thirties becomes
Speaker 1: your you become a no person.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm a no person now, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you start to just say no to things and
Speaker 1: know to people and really really curate your life and
Speaker 1: make it exactly what you care about and want it
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: And you only have like.
Speaker 2: A finite amount of time. Like, I'm if I don't
Speaker 2: want to go, I'm not gonna go, just say no.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I said no because I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: And everyone's like, but you never come, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want to. It's
Speaker 3: my time. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be around those people. I don't
Speaker 2: like the way those people make me feel. And I
Speaker 2: agree completely. I've totally shifted from twenties. I wanted to
Speaker 2: be invited everywhere and go to everything and be at
Speaker 2: every event and meet every person and be like the
Speaker 2: most front facing in the world.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, ninety percent of the time, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a no. Yeah, it's gonna be ano. You want peace.
Speaker 2: Peace, That is a diet peace, content comfortable, just like
Speaker 2: what makes me happy, And I feel like if everybody
Speaker 2: did that, we'd be in such a happier place. How
Speaker 2: do you stay grounded in an industry where your appearance
Speaker 2: is constantly analyzed because you're both a content creator and
Speaker 2: a ballerina, so both of those are really physical.
Speaker 1: Appearance grounded appearance wise, such a good question. I have
Speaker 1: realized more and more that yes, that is judged, and
Speaker 1: that is sort of important, but it's not the number
Speaker 1: one thing. It is not like the number one thing
Speaker 1: that matters is this and this. You know, it's how
Speaker 1: you make people feel, It's how hard you work, it's
Speaker 1: how you speak, it's how you care about things. Like
Speaker 1: I think appearance is it doesn't matter as much. I
Speaker 1: don't know that might be the wrong answer, but again
Speaker 1: it's weird for me to say, because I am also
Speaker 1: ballery done.
Speaker 3: Yes, your body matters, but it's.
Speaker 1: It's your talent. And actually I would say ballet is
Speaker 1: now shifting into that.
Speaker 3: More than ever.
Speaker 1: Where you know, you see people with all kinds of bodies,
Speaker 1: all kinds of skin tones, all kinds of hair and
Speaker 1: face and eyes and whatever, succeeding and doing really well
Speaker 1: and getting to dance and getting to perform, and you know,
Speaker 1: having followings and a presence online, and so I think,
Speaker 1: but from their talent. A lot of the times nowadays,
Speaker 1: it's a lot about how many turns can you do,
Speaker 1: how well can you jump? How well? Like I love
Speaker 1: it when I see someone who's super talented getting recognized
Speaker 1: for how well they dance as opposed to anything else.
Speaker 1: And know, what makes you feel good? What makes me
Speaker 1: feel good every day? And then that's how I show up?
Speaker 1: So I love that.
Speaker 2: What makes you feel calm? We were saying, both of
Speaker 2: us just want to feel.
Speaker 3: Calm, And it's like I'm in my heece peace and.
Speaker 2: Calm era for sure. What helps you feel calm when
Speaker 2: life feels overwhelming. What are some things you do for yourself?
Speaker 2: I read a lot great advice.
Speaker 1: I probably escape into fantasy, which is my way of
Speaker 1: dealing with it. I think ballets very meditative. So I
Speaker 1: love taking class every day just to like get away
Speaker 1: from my get away from your phone, get away from
Speaker 1: social media, get away from comparing yourself to people. I
Speaker 1: love social media more than anything I do. But I
Speaker 1: think it's not healthy when you become addicted to it,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really make you feel good.
Speaker 3: So I love it too, but it is it. I
Speaker 3: love it. I could sit on it all day, I
Speaker 3: could sit on TikTok all day. I could say it.
Speaker 2: I feel constantly inspired and this and that, but it
Speaker 2: does take something away from you, and it really does
Speaker 2: like rattle you a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Too much of something good is also not great. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And like we you know, we're in it.
Speaker 1: We are living in a day and age where like
Speaker 1: you can see anything, you can get inspired by anything.
Speaker 1: There's so much online, but sometimes.
Speaker 3: I think it's too much. Yeah, so take.
Speaker 1: Time away from that as best as you can. And yeah,
Speaker 1: to be more in person, be more present in your life.
Speaker 2: I I was just talking to Olivia about how my
Speaker 2: therapist is always talking about embodied meant She's like, the
Speaker 2: most important thing is you have to be embodied. You
Speaker 2: have to be in your body. And she's like, are
Speaker 2: you in your body? If you're and when you're sitting
Speaker 2: on your phone, you're not you did you are in
Speaker 2: another world? Like do you feel your body?
Speaker 3: Are you? Are you sitting with yourself? And I'm like no,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say with myself, and.
Speaker 2: She's like, you have to learn to sit with yourself.
Speaker 2: And that's like reading is a great thing to do too,
Speaker 2: because you're you're in with yourself. What are you prioritizing
Speaker 2: most in this chapter of your life?
Speaker 1: I think doing more collaborative projects, working with Ballet Tech
Speaker 1: and Dean Figgins and having her choreograph something specifically for me,
Speaker 1: maybe like partnerships with people, trying to create stuff. And
Speaker 1: I mean I did like a I went to the
Speaker 1: dance theater Parlem gala and I did commentating, which is
Speaker 1: kind of what you do, and I had so much
Speaker 1: fun doing it, and I was like, Okay, I get
Speaker 1: to speak to these people that actually, you know, want
Speaker 1: to speak to me about something I really love and
Speaker 1: so that was really special. And and just reading a lot.
Speaker 1: I started this like fun account called the Swan Library
Speaker 1: and it's just me talking about books and it's got
Speaker 1: like no followers, but I'm going to go follow no,
Speaker 1: but it's got like it's like people that actually love
Speaker 1: that you have.
Speaker 2: A substack, not yeah you need a subject, you have
Speaker 2: a book substack. The people I literally preach about subsseec
Speaker 2: you'd think they pay me. I The best thing about
Speaker 2: it that I always say is the people that are
Speaker 2: on there want to be on there, and the people
Speaker 2: that are reading your stuff want to be reading your stuff,
Speaker 2: and they're very well read.
Speaker 3: Like if you write a novel, they're going to read it.
Speaker 2: Okay, like it's it is well read people who are interested.
Speaker 2: I guarantee if you had one that was just about books,
Speaker 2: it would be wildly popular.
Speaker 3: There are people who love to read today.
Speaker 2: You have to you have to make one for your account,
Speaker 2: so then you can for people to your Instagram for
Speaker 2: your Swan library and you could have it go to
Speaker 2: your subst I swear it will pop off, and you
Speaker 2: can have like paid content if you want to, Like
Speaker 2: it's another way to make money.
Speaker 3: But I don't do a ton of paid content.
Speaker 2: Because I'm kind of like, you're alreadyquick commission link, Like
Speaker 2: I can just give this to you. But there's it's
Speaker 2: amazing and I think you would love it, and you
Speaker 2: can write like think pieces. The people there want to
Speaker 2: be there, and that's my favorite thing compared to Instagram
Speaker 2: and TikTok is. People on Instagram that write mean stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't follow me you didn't want to
Speaker 2: see me.
Speaker 3: It got given to you on sub stack.
Speaker 2: You literally see what you want to see, and people
Speaker 2: want your newsletter and they want to hear what you
Speaker 2: have to say. I think it would be wildly popular
Speaker 2: because people are always asking me for reading recommendations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm don't have any because I'm like, I read
Speaker 2: self help books about heartbreak and says trauma.
Speaker 3: We need those too. I read Robbins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hello, what what are you most excited about in
Speaker 2: the next phase.
Speaker 3: Of your life?
Speaker 1: I guess I mean I kind of answered it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: doing more projects, doing more collaborative projects, and also honestly
Speaker 1: growing on passions. What are my passions. It's reading, it's writing,
Speaker 1: it's it's traveling, it's all kinds of dance, it's just
Speaker 1: it's fashion, it's just everything. Like trying to expand on
Speaker 1: all that, and I think also do something that comes
Speaker 1: from me so that people can relate to.
Speaker 3: What kind of create creates. I love that create creating.
Speaker 3: I love that. I feel like, especially in this day
Speaker 3: and age, we don't do it enough. We don't do
Speaker 3: it enough. There's not enough. It's creative, but it's for Instagram.
Speaker 3: It's like not true pure creativity.
Speaker 2: What kind of woman do you want to become over
Speaker 2: the next five years.
Speaker 1: Someone who's very gracious, someone who people can come to
Speaker 1: for help, someone who is at peace, very much at
Speaker 1: peace in my life and happy in every every sense
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: What does success mean to you now versus when you
Speaker 2: were younger?
Speaker 3: It's a good question. It's deep. Okay, it's changed for
Speaker 3: me so much. Yeah, so so much success.
Speaker 1: When I was younger, it was being seen in a
Speaker 1: way that I wanted people to see me, and now
Speaker 1: it's being seen for who I actually am.
Speaker 3: I love that. No, it's true. I was in the
Speaker 3: same way. No, it makes complete sense.
Speaker 2: You have an idea of what you think you want
Speaker 2: people to think of you, and then you get to
Speaker 2: an age where you're like, oh, I just want you
Speaker 2: to accept me for who I am, because.
Speaker 3: It's way too exhausting to try to be this other person.
Speaker 2: It's really really exhausting peaceful and yeah, it's not peaceful
Speaker 2: and you can't keep it mouth just like no, literally,
Speaker 2: every day I'm like, what can I meditate?
Speaker 3: What can I do?
Speaker 2: What can I'm always telling myself embodiment, embodyment, I just
Speaker 2: hear my therapist, I'm like, embodiment, how do I am?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like I'm someone who moves a mile
Speaker 2: a minute and just tries to distract myself constantly and
Speaker 2: never wants to sit in my own head. And I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I have the TV, my phone, my laptop,
Speaker 2: I'm doing sixty.
Speaker 3: Things, and I'm like, this is not peace.
Speaker 2: No pure piece is being able to completely be with
Speaker 2: yourself in silence. And if you're when I sit with
Speaker 2: myself in silence and I'm like, my answer shaking, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a peaceful person. So finding that it's the
Speaker 2: only way because all the other stuff, your priorities shift
Speaker 2: and I feel like all the other stuff kind of
Speaker 2: goes away. And then you're like when you realize that
Speaker 2: it's not fulfilling you, You're like, oh, I'm literally never
Speaker 2: going to be happy if I don't figure out how
Speaker 2: to be passful because none of this stuff is going
Speaker 2: to make me happy and it's not permanent and it's
Speaker 2: kind of meaningless. But when I was younger, you could
Speaker 2: have never told me that. I would have been like, no,
Speaker 2: how many followers I have on INSTERAIRAM will always be
Speaker 2: the most important thing to me in the entire world
Speaker 2: that matters to me. And now I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 2: actually just have to be fulfilled or I'm going to
Speaker 2: be unhappy and distracting myself. And you can always chase more.
Speaker 2: You can always chase more. But it's like, can you
Speaker 2: chase sitting with yourself?
Speaker 1: Exactly to my therapist, come home to yourself every night
Speaker 1: and be alone and say, am I happy with myself?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What kind of legacy do you want to leave behind?
Speaker 3: Legacy questions? Those are hard. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't know if I have
Speaker 3: an answer for that, Like you should have like a
Speaker 3: dance school, I dance, or at least teach classes. Would
Speaker 3: you teach classes?
Speaker 1: I would teach classes. I would teach classes I've done.
Speaker 1: I've actually taught yoga classes. I have yoga Like.
Speaker 3: I've been to one of your yoga classes. Oh my good. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so I've taught yoga classes. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's necessarily that maybe maybe curate
Speaker 1: something that can be can be a big presentation of dance.
Speaker 1: More so, I think maybe at the moment that like
Speaker 1: I would love to produce something with a lot of
Speaker 1: dance in it, whether that's like a show or a
Speaker 1: gala or something, but not, I don't think fully fully,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm if I would be a
Speaker 1: great teacher maybe maybe to young students, but and maybe
Speaker 1: not yet.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not ready for that. No I'm not. You're
Speaker 3: not not aged out? No, No, that's not what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: I love, I love.
Speaker 1: I think I can teach kids, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can fully like do adults yet or like
Speaker 1: professionals yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. Okay.
Speaker 2: What is something you want to speak into existence and
Speaker 2: make everybody speak something into existence?
Speaker 3: It could be career, it could be personal. It could
Speaker 3: literally be you saying I just want to be peaceful. Anything,
Speaker 3: just something you want to say this.
Speaker 2: I'm setting this goal for myself and I'm speaking it
Speaker 2: out loud, and it's gonna have.
Speaker 1: Hmm my god.
Speaker 3: I might have to think about it, think about it,
Speaker 3: take a second. This is an important one.
Speaker 2: Some people say like I'm gonna walk in the Victorias
Speaker 2: Secret Fashion Show, and other people say like world peace,
Speaker 2: Like it's just whatever. It's just a little something that
Speaker 2: you can come back to in five years and be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it actually happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's cute. I really really want to do
Speaker 1: Swan Lake as of debt and Odeal never done that role,
Speaker 1: So I will do that role.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will be O'Dell.
Speaker 1: It's very hard ballet and it would take a lot
Speaker 1: of practice for me. It would take like a lot
Speaker 1: of time to kind of get into those characters. But
Speaker 1: I would love to do those characters. I would love to.
Speaker 3: Is that where the inspiration for the Swan Library came from? Probably? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about, like what can connect because
Speaker 1: I am a friend of mine Isabelle Wilson has Balleri
Speaker 1: a book club that she started, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's sort of their own thing, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what can I do that's you know, inspired by that,
Speaker 1: but a version of my own? And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I thought about like Swans and Swan libraries.
Speaker 3: I love it. They're elegant. It sounds very like English. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like it. Okay, you will do swan Lake easy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's basically done.
Speaker 2: Last question, who do you think is the ultimate girl
Speaker 2: and why does she inspire you?
Speaker 3: I remember my last answers. I don't. Oh, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: oh great bangs, I know bangs fashion. She was did ballet, Okay.
Speaker 2: I recently learned she basically like invented the ballet flat yeah,
Speaker 2: with Repettit. I learned all of this when I was
Speaker 2: in I went to their store and they were telling me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this makes so much sense
Speaker 2: because she wanted to wear her ballet shoes on the street.
Speaker 3: I love it something as comfortable. I love that story too.
Speaker 3: Icon icon it girl forever. Hmm, ultimate it girl? Can
Speaker 3: I? I mean, I guess that's one you can have a feel.
Speaker 1: But who is my ultimate A girl right now? I
Speaker 1: mean I have to say I could say Sarah Mass,
Speaker 1: Sarah J.
Speaker 3: Mass. She's such an it girl.
Speaker 1: She like created this entire universe in books that everybody
Speaker 1: is obsessed with and we all relate to it, and
Speaker 1: we all like she has brought such a community of
Speaker 1: people together and has really started my obsession with reading.
Speaker 2: So I is the it girl. That's a great answer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Oh I love it?
Speaker 3: Okay, amazing.
Speaker 2: We need more author it girls truly, truly, And you're right,
Speaker 2: they bring they bring other women together, which is like
Speaker 2: the most achirl thing you could possibly do. Do you
Speaker 2: want to shout out your socials.
Speaker 1: Instagram, Fioletta at Fioletta, TikTok at, Fioletta Kamshan.
Speaker 2: And the Swan Library on Instagram and the Swan Library
Speaker 2: soon to be on substack as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, Honestly, today I'm doing I swear it's going to
Speaker 1: change your life. You were my substack ferry. You came
Speaker 1: here to tell me I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2: It will change your life. It is the best community
Speaker 2: of people you could ever have. You will like the
Speaker 2: things you can do. People really engage with your writing
Speaker 2: and care what you have to say. And I link
Speaker 2: the books that you are reading and be like, here's
Speaker 2: the link to the book I'm reading this week. I
Speaker 2: guarantee you'll sell books out, which is like the best
Speaker 2: feeling in the world to know.
Speaker 3: They're always asking.
Speaker 2: Me for reading rex and I'm like, I don't have any.
Speaker 2: I literally read self help books every day.
Speaker 3: So perfect. No, it'll be good. You talk about it after.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like, what is how do you write?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Is it essay format?
Speaker 2: Whatever you want, you can do it, and like you
Speaker 2: can do ten books. I just read you can do
Speaker 2: the book I'm reading this week.
Speaker 3: Here's why I love it. You can do it can
Speaker 3: be let personal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do lists sometimes I do, like, oh,
Speaker 2: the ten things I'm shopping this week are ten things
Speaker 2: IT girls suggested to me when I was interviewing them
Speaker 2: this week, Like this is what they're wearing, and it
Speaker 2: will be a little list. Or you can be like,
Speaker 2: I'm having really bad anxiety. I want to write a
Speaker 2: think piece on anxiety. You write a think piece, do
Speaker 2: an essay, whatever you want. They want to read it perfect,
Speaker 2: They like to read. It's hard to find people who
Speaker 2: like to read.
Speaker 3: It's like the new version of newspaper.
Speaker 2: It basically is, it's like your own little personal newspaper,
Speaker 2: Like what do people if you were in newspaper, what
Speaker 2: would people want to open up and read?
Speaker 3: So it can be whatever. I love it. I am
Speaker 3: at Bailey t. Taylor.
Speaker 2: We are at It Girl the series, and we will
Speaker 2: be back next week with another It Girl, Big Girl.