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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, January thirtieth, twenty twenty four. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where sometimes it's better to be

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Speaker 2: lucky than good. It's me your man named g Marcus Grant,

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Speaker 2: joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones. Gentlemen, we are

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Speaker 2: down to two teams. LaQuan, I'm gonna ask you because

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Speaker 2: you are the resident Rams fan, which means you're also

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Speaker 2: the requisite forty nine or hater.

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Speaker 1: Yes on what you saw this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Man, I hate to see you guys in the Bowl,

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Speaker 3: but man, I gotta respect it. I gotta respect it.

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Speaker 3: Man Brock Party showed up. Man, I gotta respect it. Man,

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Speaker 3: I respect his game, and you know, shout out to

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Speaker 3: you guys. Bring it home for the West if it makes.

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Speaker 1: You feel any better.

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Speaker 2: The Rams do have a Super Bowl title more recently

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Speaker 2: than for you. They have multiple multiple titles, more recently

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Speaker 2: than the forty nine ers, so that you know that

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Speaker 2: that counts for something.

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Speaker 3: It's like you win it and then your enemy wins it.

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Speaker 3: Like you're kind of just like, come on, man, it's

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Speaker 3: supposed to be my thing.

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Speaker 4: I got to know, Marcus, what was your reaction on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: because I'm sure you were.

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Speaker 5: You were not it was I was.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sweating.

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Speaker 2: I was just dejected and angry mostly more than anything,

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Speaker 2: right because I'm watching the Niners get carved. So that

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Speaker 2: first drive, the Lion's just like bang bang bang down

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Speaker 2: the field, Jamison Williams runs one in from like forty

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Speaker 2: yards out, and I'm like, I was like, this is

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Speaker 2: sort of worrisome, but you know, if the offense can

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Speaker 2: you know, come back and answer, then everything's great. Then

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Speaker 2: Niners come back and Jake Moody misses a field goal,

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Speaker 2: the Lions go down to score another touchdown. At that point,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, now we have a problem. And watching

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Speaker 2: them just do whatever they want and pick up third

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Speaker 2: like when they picked up ad in thirteen, followed by

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Speaker 2: kind of like, well, the Dodgers start back soon, you know, sport.

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Speaker 1: And then look, the Warriors are bad.

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Speaker 2: In fact, like I would say, forty nine ers, Twitter

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Speaker 2: and Bay Area Sports Twitter were in shambles because there

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Speaker 2: was talk about has the Super Bowl window closed? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Does Steve Wilkes make it past halftime? Is he get

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Speaker 2: fired in the locker room. You know, they're like, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be bleak for Bay Area sports because the Warriors

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Speaker 2: are on the struggle bus, the Giants and A's are

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Speaker 2: supposed to be bad. The A's have won last season

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Speaker 2: in Oakland. The Niners are sort of the last hope.

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Speaker 2: So in the first half things were bleak. I was

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Speaker 2: just sort of stealing myself, preparing myself for the loss.

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Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, well the Lions will be fun, that'll

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Speaker 2: be a nice story. And then you know, everything sort

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Speaker 2: of sort of turned around, which I guess sort of

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Speaker 2: leads us into what we're gonna talk about TODA. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk some coaching carousel because a lot of coaches

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Speaker 2: have been hired, including one that was hired as in

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Speaker 2: oc earlier today. But do want to start with the championship,

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Speaker 2: so let's just let's get into it. I was gonna

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Speaker 2: talk Chiefs Ravens first, but since we're on this the

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Speaker 2: forty nine er Lions tip, I mean, I want to

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Speaker 2: ask you guys, because I know how I feel about this,

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Speaker 2: but I mean florial for you as an impartial observer,

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Speaker 2: was it do you feel like the Niners won that game?

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Speaker 2: Or did the Lions let that thing get away.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both, right, Like

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Speaker 4: the Lions definitely that second half they were playing tight,

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Speaker 4: they let it fall through their their fingertips. And I'm

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Speaker 4: not of the mindset of like bashing Dan Campbell for

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Speaker 4: going forward on fourth down. I know that was a

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Speaker 4: popular viewpoint this this week, but that's who they've been

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Speaker 4: all year. He's added more points for the Lions than

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Speaker 4: any head coach this season because his decisions to.

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Speaker 5: Go for it.

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Speaker 4: Now, if Josh Reynolds catches one that hits him in

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Speaker 4: the jersey number or the other one that hits him

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Speaker 4: bounce off his face mask.

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Speaker 5: And go to Brandon a.

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Speaker 4: A whole other like, then yeah, then we can have

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Speaker 4: that conversation maybe. But him going forward on fourth down

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Speaker 4: wasn't even the worst coaching decision he made. The run

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Speaker 4: on third and goal, wasting the timeout was the worst

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Speaker 4: Lions definitely had a huge part in letting this game

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Speaker 4: the other team has to still take advantage of that,

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Speaker 4: and not only did they erase the biggest deficit in

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Speaker 4: NFC Championship game history, they went up by ten after that.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, as much as we could say the Lions

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Speaker 4: gave it away, the forty nine ers also played tremendous

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Speaker 1: Half they did.

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Speaker 2: I still sort of believe that the it was more

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Josh Josh Renolds catches that football.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I believe they go down and score a touchdown again

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Speaker 2: and really maybe put that game out of reach. Josh

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Speaker 2: Renolds drops the pass, you know, the Niners come down, score,

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Speaker 2: the Jami or Gibbs immediately fumbles the ball away, the

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Speaker 2: Niners come down score again, and then I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: The Florida the only coaching decision I really had an

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Speaker 2: issue with was them running the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I know everybody likes to look at Dan Campbell's like,

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Speaker 2: why didn't you take the points? Why didn't you kick

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Speaker 2: it here? You kicked it at the end of the

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Speaker 2: first half, Why didn't you kick it later? I think

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Speaker 2: they were very different situations, and to your point, this

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Speaker 2: is who he has been. I think it was Kevin

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Speaker 2: Clark who made the point that by going against what

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Speaker 2: you normally do, what your normal philosophy is, that makes

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Speaker 2: you Brandon Staley. And we see what happened to Brandon State,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he should be a ram scene hopefully Brandon Staley. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: come back as a DC. But whatever.

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Speaker 4: The only thing though, was like everyone just assumes that

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Speaker 4: that field goal was going to be made, Like yeah,

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Speaker 4: from a Bills fan who saw a shorter field goal

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Speaker 4: missed the week before, it is not a guarantee. And

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Speaker 4: someone on Twitter like, what would the narrative be if

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Speaker 4: Dan Campbell chose to kick there and they missed the kick,

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Speaker 4: and it would be why did he get away from

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Speaker 4: what he's done all year?

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Speaker 1: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: He can't win and man can't win that, are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It's not find on being a head coach is

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Speaker 2: that it is totally results based, you know, I mean

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Speaker 2: like literally, like I say this and I had an

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Speaker 1: At the time.

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Speaker 2: If Scott Norwood doesn't push a field goal wide, right,

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Speaker 2: the narrative about the nineties Bills is completely different. Right,

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Speaker 2: if he doesn't miss that field goal and they went

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Speaker 2: at least one of the four, Right, it's just a

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Speaker 2: different feel about Jim Kelly and the rest of that

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Speaker 2: Bills team what Scott Norwood did. Like, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Bills battled for fifty nine minutes and some change and

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Speaker 2: Scott Norwood misses a field goal and everything about the

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Speaker 2: the narrative is set and you have nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with it, and it's totally not fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, in terms of actual fantasy related type things, Jamiro

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Speaker 2: Gibbs himself a really nice day running the football, catching

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Speaker 2: the football, lakwan, how much did his fantasy draft stock

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Speaker 2: go up for next year? I mean, that's how people

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Speaker 2: And maybe it was tongue in cheek saying he's the

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Speaker 2: one dot two behind Christian McCaffrey. That seems like an exaggeration,

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Speaker 2: but legitimately, I mean, has he pushed himself to.

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Speaker 1: The first round?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, That first round is still sticky

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Speaker 3: for me to kind of pinpoint the running backs in there,

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Speaker 3: Like I don't even have Kier Williams going in the

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Speaker 3: first round and some of my draft rankings like Jamiir

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Speaker 3: Gibbs to me seems like an early second round pick,

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Speaker 3: maybe like in the mid to latest. But to me personally,

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Speaker 3: his stock does rise because with some of the news

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Speaker 3: today that we're gonna touch on with one of the

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinators. So I really feel as though next season,

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Speaker 3: like me looking at Gibbs, like I don't want to

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Speaker 3: reach for him because I think the better value here

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Speaker 3: is David Montgomery, who also had an amazing season as well.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like, you know, if you're going to

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Speaker 3: get Gibbs, you why not get both, get Monty as well,

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Speaker 3: stack them up.

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Speaker 1: My question is, and I don't know the answer to this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have any guesses, Floria, that

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Speaker 2: I think next year we're going to see Gibbs in

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Speaker 2: more of a primary role. This year, it was Montgomery

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Speaker 2: who was sort of the primary back and Gibbs was

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Speaker 2: the secondary change of pace. I mean, eventually by the

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Speaker 2: end of the year they were pretty much one A

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Speaker 2: sort of flips where it's Gibbs is the one A,

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Speaker 2: Montgomery more as the one B and how much does

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Speaker 2: it matter that Ben Johnson is coming back. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know we're gonna talk some some offensive coordinators. Part

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Speaker 2: of the news that we learned this morning, like literally

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Speaker 2: moments before we started recording, Ben Johnson has said no

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Speaker 2: to the Washington Commanders and the Seattle Seahawks. He wants

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Speaker 2: to stay in Detroit. So at least we know in

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Speaker 2: terms of philosophy and scheme things stay the same.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so no, no, no, Can.

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Speaker 4: You make the case Floria that he's a first round pick?

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Speaker 4: For me, he's a first round pick. I have him

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Speaker 4: as a top five as of today. As of January thirtieth,

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Speaker 4: I have him as a top five fantasy running back

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Speaker 4: into next season. CC's won, Brice Soli is two to me.

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Speaker 4: Then I think after that it's it's Bjon Gibbs and

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Speaker 4: Kien Williams in whatever order you want to put them in.

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Speaker 4: Not that that. Yeah, Ben Johnson is huge because the

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Speaker 4: less unknown in fantasy the better. And we've seen it before,

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Speaker 4: where like the Eagles are a great example from this year.

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Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, they lost their row c but they

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Speaker 4: brought all of their pieces back and the offense was.

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Speaker 5: Not the same.

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Speaker 4: So knowing that all of the primary pieces of this

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Speaker 4: is huge, I think, and I agree with you, Marcus.

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Speaker 4: I think we started to see Gibbs take over more

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Speaker 4: and more as the season went on, and I anticipate

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Speaker 4: he will be the lead back next year. And not

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Speaker 4: only that, he's more explosive, he's a better pass catcher.

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Speaker 4: Those are things that I want in my fantasy running

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Speaker 4: back because that's how you can put up points in chunks.

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Speaker 4: And David Montgomery, as awesome as he was this year,

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Speaker 4: was still a little touchdown reliance. So I don't think

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Speaker 4: either one is a bad value at where I anticipate

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Speaker 4: them going. But I'm a sucker for upside and explosiveness,

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Speaker 4: so I'm all in on Gibbs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to not be what we saw

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Speaker 2: down the stretch and then what we saw in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to not be Jared Goff though. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is your former Ram quarterback, LQ. He's a different

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Speaker 2: player now. He is a different quarterback. He's growing when

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Speaker 2: next year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, based on the weapons around him. You have to

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Speaker 3: probably go in draft next year, and he'll basically be

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Speaker 3: he played some good ball this year, man, and one

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Speaker 3: of the more important things was that, you know, he

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Speaker 3: you should get the bag I was.

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Speaker 2: I made a list in no particular order, of quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. And then

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Speaker 2: this is where it kind of got like, all right,

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Speaker 2: I feel like he fits in with this good Jordan Love, CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud of Eye probably take Love and Stroud ahead of Goff.

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Speaker 2: because we talked a little bit last week about Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 2: But without knowing what receivers are going to be there,

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, so I might slide Goff slightly ahead of Herbert.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's that's crazy, you guys, that's

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, there's a lot of unknowns over there

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Speaker 3: some of his best ball. OHC coming back. Everything's remaining

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Speaker 3: the same, so you gotta full send it him versus Herbert.

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Speaker 4: Is to me is incomplete right now because we have

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Speaker 4: change there for right now. I'm cool with putting Golf

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Speaker 4: over him. Two names that you didn't say, Marcus and

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Speaker 4: maybe you were going to Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 5: And Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 4: I'll take both of them over Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: The rushing upside.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, That's the thing is Jared Goff could be a

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Speaker 4: would argue was his career year potentially in total points,

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Speaker 4: I kind of feel like top eight is when we're

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So does that mean that outside of say the top

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Speaker 2: call it that, are those the only guys you would

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Speaker 2: If you're drafting Love or Stroud or obviously Herbert or Goff,

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Speaker 2: does that mean you're automatically having to draft another quarterback later?

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Speaker 3: For me, No, in a way where like I feel

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Speaker 3: comfortable with Jeric Goff as my QB one. When his

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Speaker 3: where I'll probably get him in drafts where I can

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Speaker 4: For me, Marcus, it's the guys that you said, minus

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Speaker 5: So there's very few.

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Speaker 4: Quarterbacks where I wouldn't take a second one, and that

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Speaker 5: Ago, I would say.

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Speaker 2: I also think it's interesting that we are at the point

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Speaker 1: I like, that's where we are right now.

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Speaker 2: Right a couple years ago, we're like, this guy is

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Speaker 2: now it's like, yeah, I know he's a good buyer Repplacement,

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Speaker 2: I mostly wanted to focus on the teams that that

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs say seven team to ten winner over the

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Speaker 1: Floya who had a worse day? Was it Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 4: Both, but Todd Monkin I do not understand the game

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Speaker 4: The Chiefs have been built on stopping the pass all year,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was wild to me that they did

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Speaker 2: That had been their identity, and they ran really well

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, it just was it was just the antithesis

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Speaker 2: it didn't help that I think Lamar forced some throws

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Speaker 2: It was indefensible. It was an indefensible decision from Lamar

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Speaker 4: I did feel vindicated because I had been hyping up

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Speaker 2: Results, I hope it helps because as Lamar is still

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Speaker 1: The MVP, LA the MVP Y, they gotta give it

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Speaker 1: to Lamar's still gonna win the MVP, so you at

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Speaker 2: So we saw Mark Andrews come back. He was he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm slightly worried, just based on you know, isaiaha

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Speaker 2: I mean that is that where you are at with

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Speaker 4: I still think at full strength, Mark Andrews will be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just hard to keep Likely off the field.

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Speaker 1: Right, Who do you guys have as your tight end one?

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Speaker 1: To me.

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Speaker 3: The guy grabbed his leg.

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Speaker 1: But the call is the call.

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Speaker 2: he's ever had, that he's gotten over it already. Do

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00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: you believe that? And where are you comfortable drafting him

439
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 2: next year? Considering he's stepped up late in the season

440
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 2: for Baltimore.

441
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 3: Now he stepped up huge. I really like Zay I mean,

442
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable taking him as my wide receiver two,

443
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: and you know in that range of like maybe the fourth,

444
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 3: fifth round or whatever the case may be, because I

445
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 3: think this Ravens team is gonna come back with a

446
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: vengines and you know, he has the one year under

447
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 3: his belt, Like you could utilize him all over the field. Man,

448
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 3: Like the dude is electric. You know, he made some

449
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 3: bonehead moves, you know, in a big game. But I

450
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 3: really feel as though like he needs somebody else to

451
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 3: support him as well to elevate his game. You know,

452
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 3: with Andrew's not there, it kind of hurt him a

453
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 3: bit for a couple of weeks. So he's definitely a

454
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 3: one by based on situation. But I could see him

455
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 3: as a solid wide receiver two for a lot of

456
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 3: teams next year.

457
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 2: It's so what Floria sixth rownd, fifth round, seventh round where.

458
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: You like, I think like fifth, sixth round something like

459
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 4: that feels about. And the thing is, I think we've

460
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 4: seen say Flowers kind of like mature before our eyes

461
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 4: in the sense that earlier in the year they were

462
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 4: just kind of generating touches to him and being like,

463
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 4: all right, the balls in your hand go go get

464
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 4: us some yards. Later in the year, he became a

465
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 4: downfield threat and that's what we saw in the playoffs.

466
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 4: I know they lost this game, and I know Ja

467
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 4: Flowers fumbled at the one, and again, if you are

468
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 4: a football player, young football player, don't extend the ball

469
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 4: if it's if it's not fourth goal, because it's not

470
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 4: worth it. But he led them in targets, catch his

471
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 4: yards and touchdowns in that game. He was the only

472
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 4: one out there doing anything for the Ravens. So I

473
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 4: know it's easy to kind of pile on him.

474
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 5: They wouldn't have even been.

475
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 4: In a situation to make the game that close without

476
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 4: say Flowers. So I'm a big, big believer in his ability.

477
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 4: Liked him coming into the draft last year, and I

478
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 4: think year two with Lamar and this offense that we

479
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: know now is going to pass, I think it's easy

480
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 4: to feel good about Say.

481
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: He was the only pass catcher that did anything for Baltimore.

482
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: He had one hundred and fifteen yards in the touchdown.

483
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: No one else had more than thirty nine yards receiving

484
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: in that game.

485
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: Why sign Odell Beckham? The first half he had zero targets,

486
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: eight routes ran that first half, Like, it didn't make sense.

487
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 5: He's cooked, that's why cooked?

488
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: Why did you sign Dalvin Cook?

489
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: He didn't do anything either in the postseason for Odell Beckham,

490
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 2: seven targets, four catches, thirty four yards.

491
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: That was it. In the two games.

492
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: Six of those targets, three those catches came on Sunday,

493
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 2: like in against Houston. Against Houston, he was he was

494
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: on a milk carton and really didn't do much more

495
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: against Kansas City, which is sort of surprising. I thought

496
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: that he was going to have at least a minimal

497
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: role in the playoffs, but that was an a case there.

498
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, yeah, Nelly Swag was was getting some

499
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: opportunities catching baby in the playoffs. To baby, right, I mean,

500
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: we do need to fight, Like, Look, he's he's played

501
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: well since since that moment several years ago.

502
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: He has improved. He has played like I'm not going.

503
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: To sit here and tell you that he's like a

504
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: top notch wide receiver in the NFL, but he has

505
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: improved since he already a playmaker. Yeah, but you know

506
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 2: that guy in his big bubble eyes are going to

507
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: live forever on the internet. In room. It's gotta be right,

508
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: it's gotta be motivation. So anyway, we will dive next

509
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: week into the actual matchup between the Chiefs and the

510
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers. We still have a whole week of

511
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: just I don't know, Pro Bowl issues and also of

512
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: other things to get through. So we'll get into the

513
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 2: super Bowl matchup about a week from now, and then

514
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: all next week we kind of talk some more about that.

515
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: We'll take a quick break, we'll come back.

516
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: We'll talk some coaching carousel, because it is spinning, so

517
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: we will dive into that in just a little bit

518
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

519
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: So let's talk about some coaches.

520
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: We've kind of been diving into it here and there,

521
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: and there's been a lot of moves that have happened since.

522
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: We last spoke to you, Florio.

523
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: You and I talked a little bit last week about

524
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh and what that potentially means for the Chargers.

525
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: We wait to see who their offensive coordinator is going

526
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: to be. We wait to see what personnel moves are

527
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: going to make. But we do have some other things

528
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: that have landed, including something that hits on Tuesday morning,

529
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: that is that the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to hire

530
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith as their offensive coordinator. Immediately, Twitter dot com

531
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: was full of jokes about, you know, backup players getting

532
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: more opportunities. I may have tweeted something about Calvin Austen.

533
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 2: I saw a hashtag free Jalen Warren. I think Darnel

534
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: Washington's name showed up in my mentions on multiple occasions.

535
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: Nothing has unified the fantasy community like our frustration and

536
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: anger toward Arthur Smith.

537
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: But Flora, you were.

538
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 2: Hinting at this, you sound like you might have a

539
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: little bit of a contrarian view.

540
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts on this.

541
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's off the top like this, We've been

542
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 4: hating on Arthur Smith on this show since before it

543
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 4: was cool like going this goes, we've been on the session.

544
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: But like, what was so.

545
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 4: Frustrating was you look at the Falcons team and you're like,

546
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: there's a lot of talent on this team, and they've

547
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 4: invested a highly in a lot of.

548
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 5: These offensive picks.

549
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 4: The Steelers have been a wasteland for fantasy for the

550
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 4: last two years already, since Big Ben has retired pretty much,

551
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 4: so it's not like he's ruining the stocks of Deontay

552
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 4: Johnson and George Pickens more than Kenny Pickett already has.

553
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: And in fact, so I went through his year because

554
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: two years as the OC, three years as a head coach,

555
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: never finished higher than nineteenth in passing attempts. Before of

556
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 4: the five years was top ten in rushing attempts, and

557
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: three of them he was top three. So I think

558
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: this means that we're gonna get a whole bunch of

559
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: Jalen Warren and Najie Harris and it'll be a lot

560
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 4: like it was this past season in Pittsburgh, where it's like, okay,

561
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: you could the running backs are the only two really

562
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: trustworthy pieces each George Pickens will pop randomly, Deoncey Johnson

563
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: will have a random game stuff like that. But overall,

564
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at this Steelers offense. I've had

565
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 4: this conversation with you, Marcus. I think it reminds me

566
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: a little bit of Denver, where like we overrated the

567
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: wide receivers a little bit, and I think that's the

568
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: case with Johnson and Pickens. But you look at their

569
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: offense and you're like, Okay, this is a team that

570
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: doesn't have a whole bunch in the passing game because

571
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: of who their quarterback is so why not just run

572
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: the ball as much as you possibly can? And Arthur Smith,

573
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: as much as I like to talk about the guy,

574
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: the one thing he has shown us is he can

575
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: get the most out of his run games. So while

576
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: I did not like him as the Falcons coordinator, I'm like, Okay,

577
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 4: if he's gonna end up anywhere as an OC, Pittsburgh

578
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: is the perfect place because I was already avoiding them

579
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 4: for fantasy purposes.

580
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: It's the landscape of their offense pretty well.

581
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: I love that Floyda's logic is, yeah, it's fine in

582
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh because I didn't want those guys anyway.

583
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: Whatsoever, Like it was already drowning over there, all right.

584
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: So then I mean, then, Lakwan, does that mean we.

585
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: Are we're buying back in on Naji Harris at this point?

586
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: Does that mean that? Yeah?

587
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like both running backs I feel

588
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: good with. With Arthur Smith over there, we know they're

589
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: gonna run the ball a ton. You know, I have

590
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: my questions about the wide receivers, but at least with

591
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: Najie Harris and Jalen Warren, we have some clarity of

592
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: their roles in some sort like who will be Tyler

593
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: Algie or and b John Robinson in this situation, you know,

594
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: I mean honestly, I feel like if he can get

595
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: you know, Jalen Warren in open space and put him

596
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: in the best ability to you know, send it home

597
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: and get involved in the passing, this is great for

598
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: fantasy for the running backs.

599
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess, except here's the thing. Najie Harris,

600
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 2: for pretty much his entire career has been incredibly inefficient

601
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: as a runner, you know, And I keep going back.

602
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: He had that great rookie.

603
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: Season, which was bolstered very heavily by the fact that

604
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: he was a target monster. Right, He had ninety four

605
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: targets as a rookie because he had a broken down

606
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger who was just mostly throwing panic targets out there,

607
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: just sort of panic dump offs to him, right, And

608
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: when those went away, when those went away, we sort

609
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: of saw how inefficient he was as a runner and

610
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: how he wasn't able to make up the gaps. So

611
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: and it's not like he's gonna win on volume because

612
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: they do have Jalen Warren there, right, So like the

613
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: if he's if he's back averaging, you know, three point six,

614
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: three point seven yards per carry. It's not like he's

615
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: going to get twenty five carries on any given day

616
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: to sort of make up for that. So that's what

617
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: sort of worries me about this. But you're right in

618
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: terms of the passing game, Mike, I mean, it is

619
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: what it is like. They don't have a quarterback. You know,

620
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: George George Pickens will still have you know, he'll still

621
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: he'll still be George Pickens in that he'll have those

622
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: games where you know, you're like, what are you doing

623
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: out there? And then we'll have those games where he

624
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: goes like four for for like one thirty and a

625
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: touchdown like that is still in the round. Like, I guess,

626
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: to your point, Mike, nothing really changes in Pittsburgh. But

627
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: I guess that's sort of also disappointing and sad.

628
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: I want things to be better. I want to dream

629
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: the world where things are better for all of us.

630
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 5: Look, if the Steelers offense completely.

631
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: Crashes and burns, it might wash our hands away from

632
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith being in charge of an offense for a

633
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: very long time.

634
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: It'd be a good thing, all right, all right.

635
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: Silver Linings, Silver Lions in Cleveland the Browns have a

636
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator. It is former Bills OC Ken Dorsey,

637
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: now Florida. I know you were sort of at your

638
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: wits end with kN Dorsey by the time he was

639
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: let go. Your thoughts on what this means potentially for

640
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson, Amari Cooper, a healthy Nick Chubb, the rest

641
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: of that Cleveland offense.

642
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: I think this is a good thing for fantasy. This

643
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: is a bad thing for Browns fans, because my beef

644
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 4: with Ken Dorsey was never about It's not like he

645
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: can't get the offense going at all. Like in his

646
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: year and a little over a year and a half

647
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 4: with the Bills, he ranked top five in explosive run rate,

648
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: rush yards per attempt, explosive pass rate, passyards per attempt,

649
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 4: pass touchdowns, Like Josh Allen was probably putting up his

650
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: best fantasy numbers with Ken Dorsey. Stefan Diggs certainly was

651
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 4: The issue with Dorsey that I always had was it

652
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: always felt like he was picking a play out of

653
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: a hat at random, Like they would need two yards,

654
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: it would be third and two, and he'd call like

655
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: a sixty yard pass play. It's like, Okay, that doesn't

656
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: make any sense. Here, so for winning a game, and

657
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: that's what I care about as a Bills fan, it

658
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: was frustrating. But from a fantasy standpoint, he got a

659
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: lot out of Josh Allen, he got a lot out

660
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: of Stefan Diggs, he got a lot out of the

661
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: whole offense and what I love most of all and

662
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: I always joked about it, and I could say I

663
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 4: love it now.

664
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 5: I didn't love it when he was with the Bills.

665
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: A lot of his offensive game plan was always like,

666
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: we have Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs. You have to

667
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: stop them if you want to beat them. So for

668
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: real life purposes, that can get frustrated, but for fantasy,

669
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: it just means your top guys are going to get

670
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: a whole lot of volumes. So I think this makes

671
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: me like Amari Cooper Moore. I think it makes me

672
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: like David and Joku Moore, and it could mean good

673
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: things for Deshaun Watson as well.

674
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you describe Ken Dorsey is basically the

675
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: way I played Techmobile. It's like I got guys, you

676
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: got to stop him, good luck sort of thing. And

677
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: I guess when you've got to elite players at their

678
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: respective positions. I mean, I guess that that does sort

679
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: of makes sense. Yeah, good for the Browns. I don't know,

680
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean your your feelings on this, Laquon.

681
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: I mean look like I mean, for the most part,

682
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: the Bills were a top five offense with his time there,

683
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: and I feel like the Browns kind of need that

684
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 3: with the solid pieces that he's walking into. I mean,

685
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: you got Deshaun Watson whatever he is, Mark Cooper, Daming,

686
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: the Joku, Nick Chubb you know when he gets back healthy,

687
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: but Jerome Ford, so you have the pieces there to

688
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: make this offense pop. I mean, the Browns have not

689
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: had a top ten offense since two thousand and seven

690
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: when we're talking total yards per game and Derek Anderson

691
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: was the starting quarterback. Spiderman three was killing the box office.

692
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: Like the number one song was Beyonce Irreplaceable. Like this

693
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: is a time machine for this Browns offense. So they

694
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: kind of need this offense to be top ten to

695
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: be able to win more games, to go further into playoffs,

696
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: and et cetera, et cetera. Like this offense needs a change,

697
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: and I think Ken Dorsey can get it done.

698
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Over there is DeShawn Watson I know they're tied to

699
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: him because of the contract that they gave him. They

700
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: are tied to him, But is is DeShawn.

701
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: Watson really the guy?

702
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: We've seen so little of him in two seasons in

703
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: Cleveland's played twelve games, partial because of suspension, this year

704
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: because of injury. This year is a watch Honestly, this year,

705
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, But they're also forty percent of

706
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: the way through a contract and they're not sure if

707
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: he really is the guy that they want to get

708
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: a million.

709
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: No, he played the one less game than Joe flat

710
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: or one more game than Joe Flacco, whichever it was,

711
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 4: and Flacco put up better numbers.

712
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of scary. You got to bring back Flacco.

713
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: I mean, just to have some clarity in your mind

714
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: in the QB room. You have to bring him back.

715
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: You have to. Wow, we're just we're giving up on

716
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: DTR already. We're already kicking DTR to the car.

717
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: No, but my guy, but pretty Flacco went out there,

718
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: involved man off the couch.

719
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: I think he tell Flacco like, hey, don't sign anywhere

720
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: else we might need you, but.

721
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: Uh, it's there.

722
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have him there, Fans are gonna be

723
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: calling for a change anytime soon.

724
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: Struggles.

725
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: Honestly, you gotta have the right tools in the toolbox

726
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: or you need to use them, man. And I think

727
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: having Joe there is going to be great for the

728
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 3: locker room if things start to go stuff.

729
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: For Watson, I think he needs to be there. I

730
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: think I don't know. I think Florida was onto something.

731
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: Man. It's like if you're Deshaun Watson and all of

732
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: a sudden, everybody's chanting Flacco, Flacco because you have a

733
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: bad half, Like that's just that's just a recipe for disaster.

734
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: Potentially, it's not good for him mentally. I get it.

735
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: No, No, especially because look, you know, I don't know

736
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: how much pressure he's feeling. He's got the big, huge contract.

737
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: You know, there's a sky high expectations. At some point

738
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: he's going to start hearing that if he hasn't all right.

739
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: It showed flashes. It's just it goes back to what

740
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: I like to sit on, like lack of chemistry. Like

741
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: there was a lot of times where the timing was off,

742
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, and so it's like, yeah, it's it's a

743
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: lot of things that go into that. But this year's

744
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: a watch.

745
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: And consistency just being out there, I think exactly a

746
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: big key there. So with Ken Dorsey in Cleveland, the

747
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: Bills have promoted into offensive coordinator Joe Brady to the full.

748
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: Time OC position.

749
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: Now, look, I remember, you know, about halfway through this

750
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: tenure for Brady, a lot of people tweeting out the

751
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 2: fact that in terms of efficiency, EPA and that sort

752
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: of thing, the Bills numbers were actually worse with Brady

753
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: than they were with Ken Dorsey. It's just that the

754
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: defense started playing better, they started figuring out different ways

755
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: to win games down the stretch, and they were able

756
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 2: to get into the playoffs. You and I talked about

757
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 2: this a week or so ago, Mike, that the Bills

758
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: need somebody else not named Stefan Digs to step up

759
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: in the passing game. They've got two decent tight ends

760
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: and Dawson Knox and and Dalton Kink, but they are

761
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: going to kind of eat off of each other's plates

762
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: this whole time. I mean, I gotta ask you, is

763
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: the Bills fan here, I mean, your thoughts on Joe

764
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: Brady is is this actually an upgrade or is this.

765
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: Kind of a lateral move for Buffalo?

766
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 4: I think it's the exact opposite of the Ken Dorsey situation,

767
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 4: where I think it's good for real life purposes but

768
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: not great for fantasy. Because one thing is Joe and

769
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: Josh Allen kind of hinted at this after the season

770
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: was he said they did simple better under Joe Brady.

771
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: But he said Joe Brady didn't get to put his

772
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: own flare into the playbook. He was basically operating with

773
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: Ken Dorsey's playbook. I'm sure he put his own touch

774
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 4: on things, but really curious to see what a whole

775
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: offseason will be. Also, like you said, they need to

776
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 4: add wide receiver, Like if pick twenty eight or maybe

777
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 4: they trade up is not a wide receiver, I will

778
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: be one of the many angry Bills fans there because

779
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: they need speed on the outside and that Co Winn

780
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 4: downfield and everything. But I think it's worth mentioning. Under

781
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: Joe Brady, the Bills ran the ball more than any

782
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: team in football. Josh Allen was averaging just two hundred

783
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: and thirty three pass yards per game and one point

784
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: six touchdowns per game. He had eleven rushing touchdowns in

785
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: nine games, which is awesome, But if some of those

786
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: rushing numbers go down a little bit next year, we might,

787
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: like Josh Allen might not be the QB one like

788
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: he's been each of the last four years.

789
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 5: Went healthy, so.

790
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: That I think is concerning. James Cook gets a huge

791
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: arrow up because he excelled with Joe Brady Stefan Diggs

792
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 4: though ten point three points per game in seven games

793
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 4: with Ken Dorsey, he had less than thirteen in one

794
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: game this year. So the whole fall off the Clifton

795
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: with Stephan Diggs happened with the change of offensive coordinators.

796
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things I think for the

797
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: Bills purposes, for how they want to play and all

798
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: of that, and I think a big reason why the

799
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 4: defense played better was because they were getting more rest,

800
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: they were on the field not as much and all

801
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: of that. But for fantasy purposes, it might not be

802
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: the best thing.

803
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I think what we saw out of

804
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: the Bills late in the season is kind of what

805
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: it's going to be now. Maybe maybe it was just,

806
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: you know, you had an offense that had to sort

807
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: of change on the fly with the mid season change

808
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: at coaching, And we'll see what happens when they get

809
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: a whole offseason to kind of work together. I do

810
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: still think they need some personnel upgrades. I was with

811
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: you though on James Cook, because that was my imediate thought,

812
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: is that this seems like a really good thing for

813
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: James Cook. I need him to be more consistent catching

814
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: the football. It feels like he's the guy who's gonna

815
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: make a ridiculous catchery once in a while and then

816
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: just drop a couple of easy ones. Like that's sort

817
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: of who he feels like right now. So I need

818
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: him to be a little bit more consistent. But you know,

819
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, look la quant I mean,

820
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: in terms of the key pieces there, right I mean,

821
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: Josh Allen still one of the first quarterbacks off the board,

822
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: probably the first quarterback off the board, Stefan Diggs still

823
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: on a top ten receiver. I mean, nothing really changes

824
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: in terms of their fantasy value right now.

825
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I mean nothing really changes for me with this.

826
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: I mean, like Florio, he covered all the bases there.

827
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if Joe Brady didn't really get a chance

828
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: to put his flair on in he was operating off

829
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: of Kendorsey, Like I really think, you know, he'll learn

830
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: from the mistakes of the have nots and the lack

831
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 3: of and etc.

832
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Etc.

833
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, he'll be able to take

834
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: over and he'll be able to get Stefan Diggs back

835
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 3: to that top ten, top five conversation, you know for fantasy.

836
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

837
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: I hope they can kind of keep that consistency throughout

838
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: the year because that's something that was lacking. Speaking of

839
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: lacking consistency, the Eagles were great at the start of

840
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: the season. The offense sort of fell apart as we

841
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: got later into the year. So to help remedy that,

842
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: the Eagles are going to bring in Kellen Moore, formerly

843
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: of the Los Angeles Chargers, formerly of the Dallas Cowboys,

844
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: to be their new offensive coordinator.

845
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, lakwon.

846
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: This feels like great news for Jalen Hurts, specifically Dallas Goddard.

847
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: I think as well gets a boost from this. Anybody

848
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: else you see that that really gets some love here?

849
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah.

850
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: The running backs, man, I think you know, swift and

851
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: game well, they'll be heavily involved in the offense as well.

852
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean, what kind of more man, I don't really

853
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: think he had a true shot to turn this Chargers

854
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: offense around. I mean they rank eighteenth in total yards,

855
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: but it was banged up an offense all across the board.

856
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Mike Williams king now, and that Austin Eckler,

857
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert himself, and then you know with the rookie

858
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: Quintin Johnston, it just didn't work out. So there was

859
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: like a mess over there for him to work work with.

860
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 3: So going over to the Eagles, he has more clarity

861
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: of the roles and guys being available to him, you know,

862
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: to actually be on the field and execute some of

863
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: these plays. Because I really saw flashes from the Chargers

864
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: offense where you're like, all right, things are moving and grooving,

865
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: but then everything just started falling apart.

866
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: Guys can hurt and et cetera, et cetera.

867
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: So I think this is a huge boost for this

868
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: Eagles offense, for fantasy and real life.

869
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts Still, what the top two? Top three quarterback?

870
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: Floria? I mean, do you disagree?

871
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: An you? No?

872
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: I agreed.

873
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: I agree that that sounded sounds like I'm a little.

874
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: Hurry, but I'm still on board with top three conversation.

875
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: All Right, all right, I'm curious, like.

876
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, it's just the season he had.

877
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 5: I wanted to.

878
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 4: Ask you guys though, because I still believe in Hurts

879
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 4: as the running quarterback and all. And I agree with

880
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: Laqwan's point. I was very very high on Kellen Moore.

881
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: Like I picked the Chargers Justin Herbert to win the MVP.

882
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: I thought Kellen Moore was going to have that big

883
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: of an impact. And I get it the injuries and

884
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: all of that. On the flip side of things, the

885
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: Cowboys offense got better without Kellen Moore. So now I'm wondering, like,

886
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 4: should I have faith in Kellen Moore after seeing that

887
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 4: team get better, especially on deep ball passes, which is

888
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 4: where the Eagles struggled.

889
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 5: So much last year.

890
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: I have I'm not as confident in Kellen Moore as

891
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: I was a year ago.

892
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of unfair though, because they didn't

893
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: have Brandon Cooks so that deep ball I mean.

894
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: But last year they had, They had Keenan Allen, they

895
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: had Mike Williams at least early part of the season. Yeah,

896
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they had pieces there. I mean I know that,

897
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: you know. I know Austin Eckler was.

898
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: Not healthy for a good chunk of the year, and

899
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: he just didn't look the same, but there were pieces.

900
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: There were pieces.

901
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: There, Uh for for the Chargers. Uh, Are you still

902
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: holding out hope on Quentin Johnston Florio.

903
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: Yes, if they take another wide receiver, like if that

904
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: fifth overall pick is obviously Martin Harrison Junior would be

905
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: be the ideal one. But it feels like he's going

906
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 4: to go four. But yeah, if I don't think he

907
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: can be a wide receiver one at the NFL level,

908
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: and I am kind of unless they take a pay

909
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 4: cut or something like that, I'm expecting the Chargers to

910
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 4: move on from Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. So I'm

911
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: not because because I said it a couple of weeks ago, Like, yes,

912
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: I understand that he dropped a multiple like sixty yard

913
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: touchdown passes that bounced off of his hands, but he

914
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: was able to get open downfield for that sixty yard

915
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: touchdown pass. So if these if these hands of his

916
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 4: remember how to catch the football and that is something

917
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 4: that comes in development, I could still see him being

918
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 4: productive at the NFL level.

919
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to give up on him yet.

920
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: No me either.

921
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: And look, and if it's the point that they are

922
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: moving on from Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. That does

923
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: open up a lot more opportunity for him. I think

924
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: with Williams and Allen there, it's hard to see him

925
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: get a chance. This potentially could be his big opportunity

926
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: this year to see if he can be a playmaker there.

927
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: But anyway, that belies the point Kellen Moore to the

928
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: Charger or to the Eagles. From the Chargers, He's got

929
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: plenty of weapons to work with there in terms of

930
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: Swift and DeVonta Smith, AJ Brown, Dallas gott or Jalen Hurts.

931
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: Plenty of pieces for them to work with. They just

932
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: need that consistency in the back half of the season

933
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: that they didn't have.

934
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of the big key for them last one.

935
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: The Falcons have hired Rams quarterbacks coach and passing game

936
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: coordinator Zach Robinson as their offensive coordinator. I asked someone

937
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: else this question, Laqui, I'll ask you. I mean, you

938
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: are the Rams fan here. You've seen this passing game work.

939
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: It worked great, especially in the back half of the

940
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: season last year. The difference is the Rams have a

941
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: quarterback the Falcons do not. How much does that impact

942
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: how you feel about this.

943
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: I mean, the Atlanta Rams are building one heck of

944
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: a staff. I'll tell you that. I just feel as

945
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: though without a quarterback, it just leaves so many questions. Man.

946
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: And I know Zach Robinson. You know, he's going to

947
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: come on there and do his thing because he's been

948
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: under McVeigh since twenty seventeen. And as we all know,

949
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: I trust mcveigh's you know, judgment and picking the staff

950
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: and putting people in places. I mean, one of the notables,

951
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: you know, Zach Taylor was one of those guys that

952
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 3: were a QB coach, came on as a pass game coordinator,

953
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: and look, he's the head coach at the Bengals. So

954
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like the people he keeps around him,

955
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: they make good judgment, they're good at their jobs, and

956
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: you know we see them go off him, you know,

957
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: do incredible things. So you know, this is great to

958
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: have some type of Rams present, some type of system

959
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: that he knows that has actually been proven and worked.

960
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: It's just them finding a quarterback. Man, Just get somebody

961
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: there and then off to the races.

962
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: Is this enough, Floya to make you back in on?

963
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: Let me just say it. Are you back in on

964
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts now because of this, don't make him say probably, Oh, I'm.

965
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 5: Never going to quit him.

966
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: But I, like Lakwan said, so much does come down

967
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 4: to who the quarterback is, Like just get Jamis Winston

968
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: or something like that and let's have some fun like that.

969
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 5: That's what I want to see.

970
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 4: But to point like, I tried to look it up

971
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 4: Zach Robinson today and there's no data out there because

972
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: he's never called plays before and stuff. But you know

973
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: who else didn't call plays under McVeigh, Matt Lafleoor or

974
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 4: Zach Taylor, Kevin O'Connell, Shane Waldron. There's just a history

975
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: of success of getting offensive minds who have worked under

976
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 4: McVeigh and Shanahan. So I have no problem. I really

977
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 4: like this hiring. I think it could be a great

978
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: thing for the Falcons. I just there's that final piece

979
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: which happens to be the most important piece of the

980
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: p Yeah.

981
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: I just I just want to stand next to Sean

982
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: McVay for like twenty minutes because then I feel like

983
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: that my chances it'll be in crease, my chances of

984
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: getting hired by an NFL front office or an NFL

985
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: team to be on the sideline.

986
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I just if I can say I stood next to.

987
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: Him for twenty minutes and maybe we even spoke words

988
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: to one another, like that would go a long way.

989
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: We're getting me an NFL job.

990
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: If I am a team hiring an offensive mind, I'm

991
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: calling up Shanahan and McVeigh and I'm saying, who do

992
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 4: you trust?

993
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 5: And I'm hiring that person, Which.

994
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: Is funny too, because so I would imagine things are

995
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 2: different nowadays in the NFL. But I do remember years.

996
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean I wasn't alive for it, but hearing the

997
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: stories of when Bill Walsh was an assistant to Paul Brown,

998
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: legendary coach, and that teams wanted to hire Bill Walsh

999
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 2: and they would call Paul Brown and ask about him,

1000
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: and Brown would basically just talk trash about Walsh because

1001
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: he didn't want to lose him, not because he was

1002
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: bad at coaching. He's like, if I just trash talk him,

1003
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: maybe teams won't want to hire him. And then eventually

1004
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: Walsh got his own gig and went on to be

1005
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: one of them most successful coaches in NFL history.

1006
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that probably it's harder to get.

1007
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: Away with that today because more people talk and there's

1008
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: more you know, reporters and social media, the things that

1009
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: didn't exist like you know, fifty sixty years ago.

1010
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: You gotta start rumors like the guy doesn't bathe or

1011
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: something like.

1012
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: That, like right, you know, you know, like she.

1013
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: I'd say that he you know, he eats bananas with

1014
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: appeals on. But we got a starting quarterback that does that.

1015
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: Invite it legend.

1016
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: My stomach hurts now. My stomach hurts, which seems like

1017
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: a good a good reason to stop doing this podcast

1018
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: for the day.

1019
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: So there we go.

1020
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: We'll be back with you on Thursday. We'll talk about

1021
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what, we'll figure it out. It's only

1022
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: Tuesday right now. I got a couple of days. Leave

1023
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: me alone anyway. That'll do it for this edition of

1024
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We appreciate you hanging out

1025
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: with us. Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good and

1026
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: live well for Florio for the Quani and Marcus.

1027
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: Enjoy the week, everybody. We'll talk to you again on Thursday.