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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Well, as all of

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Speaker 1: you know, Monday is Martin Luther King Junior Day, a

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Speaker 1: federal holiday that celebrates the life and legacy of Martin

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Speaker 2: Right, And just a reminder, of course, Martin Luther King

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Speaker 2: Day also happens to fall on January twentieth, which is

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Speaker 2: the day that President elect Donald Trump will be inaugurated.

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Speaker 2: This Monday, we Tim and I will be doing a

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Speaker 2: special edition of Bloomberg BusinessWeek that afternoon looking at the

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Speaker 2: new incoming administration and all the policies that may come down.

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Speaker 2: So we want to get into that and more with

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Speaker 2: our next guest, who has a certain very personal story

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Speaker 2: and attachment of course to Martin Luther King Day. We're

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Speaker 2: joined by Reverend doctor Bernice King. She's the chief executive

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Speaker 2: officer of the Martin Luther King Junior Center for Nonviolent

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Speaker 2: Social Change, which is also known as the King Center.

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Speaker 2: She is the daughter of Martin Luther King Junior and

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Speaker 2: her mom, Coretta Scott King, founder of the King Center.

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Speaker 2: Doctor King, So nice to have you here with us.

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Speaker 2: You know, Monday for many it's a holiday. Well, nice

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Speaker 2: to have you here for many more. It's also a

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Speaker 2: reminder of our difficult past around race relations and discrimination.

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Speaker 2: What does the day mean to you honoring your dad?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's an opportunity, obviously for us to not just

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Speaker 4: He was not just a civil rights leader, he was

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Speaker 3: He left us a blueprint as to how to create

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Speaker 4: And every year.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I encourage is that we

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Speaker 3: study him more because he spoke about things that we

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Speaker 3: against what he saw as a triple equals of poverty, racism,

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Speaker 3: here we are once again this year, and as we

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Speaker 3: inaugurate a new president. Those teachings don't change, they stay

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Speaker 3: the same. What we have to do is to connect

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you just to follow up.

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Speaker 2: You said, you know, your dad leaving us a blueprint.

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Speaker 2: How would you think he's doing how we are doing

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, he said to us, and where do

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Speaker 3: Chaos the community in nineteen sixty seven, the book that

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Speaker 4: And I think we've not found the way to do that.

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Speaker 3: I think he further divided around different ideologies instead of

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Speaker 3: trying to spend time learning in spite of our differences.

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Speaker 4: How do we live together?

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Speaker 3: How do we create a coexistence where we don't co

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Speaker 3: How do we create a world where everyone has decent

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Speaker 3: we'll never all think alike, but we certainly can spend

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Speaker 3: So that takes a lot of listening, curiosity, It takes

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Speaker 1: Well, it's that last point that I want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: doctor King, because we've been talking about over the last

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Speaker 2: Talked about Corporate America, you know, did hire more black

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Speaker 1: How do you like, how do you in an environment

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Speaker 3: Well, always have optimism because there are always people, you know,

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Speaker 4: Going to survive in the global economy.

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Speaker 3: And so I think there are going to be some

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Speaker 4: And stand against this.

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Speaker 3: It really, at the end of the day, is really

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Speaker 3: not about the language anyway, you know, It's about who

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Speaker 3: call it a belonging culture or for us, the beloved community.

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Speaker 3: end of the day, it's about the outcomes. So if

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Speaker 2: Doctor King, what do you think white Americans still don't

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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing is Black America is not trying

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Speaker 4: No, we're very qualified.

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Speaker 3: So we have to find a way, as I said,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we we think about it. We've only

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's always possible. Non violence believes in the impossibility.

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Speaker 4: So through strategy and plan.

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Speaker 4: It's about strategy and nonviolence helps you with that.

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Speaker 2: Do you have faith in the Trump administration helping out

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Speaker 3: I have faith in God, and I believe in the

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Speaker 3: Excuse freedom, justice and democracy through the spirit of non

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Speaker 4: That's what I have faith in, Doctor King.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for finding time for us. Our

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Speaker 2: thoughts with you, certainly as we prepare for the holiday

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Speaker 2: and to mark his memory and his legacy on Monday.

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Speaker 2: That is Reverend Doctor Bernice King, chief executive Officer of

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Speaker 2: the King Center, joining us from Atlanta. This is Bloomberg,

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Speaker 2: you know,