1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 2: I am pleased to say that we have the United 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: States Senator for Wisconsin back here, Senator Ron Johnson. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 3: I hope you're doing well. 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: I am so you have had quite a busy last 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: few weeks going through the one big, beautiful bill, and 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you about it because I 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: know you have been fighting against some of the things 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: in the bill, and you say that you believe you'll 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: have another bite at the apple. So I wanted to 12 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: go through exactly what that means and what the American 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: people would like to know from the inside from you. 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 4: It's not so much about what's in the bill. It's 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: much more about what wasn't in the bill. I mean, 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 4: the major components of the bill I absolutely agreed with. 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 4: We had to prevent a massive automatic tax increase avoid default. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: Again. 19 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 4: The President took over for you know, with all these 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 4: messes left behind by the Democrats, the open borders, so 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 4: we needed border funding, raging loards, and then of course 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 4: and we need defense funding. But then the fact that 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 4: Biden and Democrats in their four years in office, they 24 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 4: averaged defice a one point nine trillion dollars, and to 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: put that in perspective, the seven years prior to COVID 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 4: we averaged defice of six hundred and sixty billion, and 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 4: still way too high. But you know, any rational human being, 28 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 4: any responsible president and members of Congress, would have returned 29 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 4: to a reasonable pre pandemic level spending once employment returned 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 4: to normal and the economy is roaring back. But that's 31 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 4: how Democrats did. Instead, they sparked forty your high inflation 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: and again, just establish this spending level and this deficit 33 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: levels is the new baseline. And so, starting with my 34 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: column in January first in the Wall Street Journal, I 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: started proposing returning to a reasonable pre pandemic level spending. 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: I laid out three different options would range somew between 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 4: five point five and six point five trillion dollars just 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: by using actual total expenditures, total lot lays from Clinton, Obama, 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 4: and Trump, plussing them up, plussing them up for inflation 40 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: and population growth, exempting security, Medicaid or sociecurity Medicare, and interests. 41 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: Spend what you need to spend. 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: That's to end up with five point five versus six 43 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 4: point five versus the over seven tillion dollars will spend 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 4: this year and probably approach to about seven point three 45 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: trillion dollars next year. So again, what I was hoping 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 4: is that by laying out those facts, laying out how 47 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 4: eminently reasonable you can go back to again. I don't 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: think Clinton spent too little or Obama or Trump twenty nineteen. 49 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: Just go back to those actual hallways again plus jup 50 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 4: for inflation, population growth. That would have been a reasonable baseline. 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: In business, this is isd been a easy tutor, right. 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: I would have gone to my managers and go, hey, 53 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 4: you guys, okay, I said, you can increase your budgets 54 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 4: based on inflation and the number of customers you serve. 55 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 4: But you're twenty three percent higher, you're forty percent higher, 56 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: you're ninety percent higher. 57 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: Get it back in line. 58 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: Would have been about a five minute conversation, or would 59 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 4: have fire them. Unfortunately, it's not that easy in government. 60 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: And that's where I think people don't understand. You have 61 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: a lot of minds coming together. You have people who 62 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: want things for their state. What is that negotiation process like? 63 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: Because obviously you were on the fence, someone talked to 64 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: you and said, no, you've got to vote. 65 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: How did they get you across the line. 66 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: Well, again I always I always wanted to be a 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 4: yes because I didn't Again, I didn't want to increase 68 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 4: taxes to anybody, and that was the major component of 69 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 4: that bill. 70 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: So I fought hard. 71 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: To, for example, repeal the most damaging part of Obamacare. 72 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: And Rick Scott had a great idea. 73 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: Wasn't including the base bill, but it wouldn't have cossed 74 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: anybody the insurance. He just said, at some point in 75 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: the future, and there are optional dates with different scores, 76 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: you just stop and rolling single working age of able bodied, 77 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: childless adults in Obamacare, in the Medicaid expansion was what 78 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: they call it. The reason you wanted to stop doing 79 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: that is for normal medicaid, you know, designed for the 80 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 4: vulnerable disabled children. 81 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: For every dollar estate puts into. 82 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: That Medicaid, the federal government kicks in on average about 83 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: a dollars three three. But the medicaid expansion of the 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: Obamacare a portion that Democrats want to turn a bombcare 85 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 4: into single payer system. 86 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: So the incentivize the states. 87 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: For every dollar they spend on a single adult, we 88 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 4: kick in nine bucks. That has led to all kinds 89 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 4: of what I would consider legalize fraud, the stam, the 90 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 4: money laundering, provider taxes, provider fees, that's not healthcare, but 91 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: state's assess it on providers. They allow providers to charge 92 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 4: a lot more for Medicaid services than they do Medicare. 93 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: I just saw this video last night of a man 94 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: who in California called his insurance company and said, Hey, 95 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: you didn't realize we had insurance. Our bill was six 96 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: hundred dollars. What is the bill now? And they said, oh, 97 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: the six hundred dollars is what people get if they 98 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: have a discount because they don't have insurance. Your bill 99 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: is going to be thirteen hundred dollars. And he was like, 100 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: wait a minute, what are you talking about. 101 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,559 Speaker 1: I pay more. 102 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: I'm punished because I pay a premium every month and 103 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: I do have insurance. And I think that this is 104 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: an area where really a Democrats have not been pushed 105 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: back on here, and they have a really good party 106 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: line where they come out and they say, oh, these 107 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: poor people who have kids that are sick are going 108 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: to be taken off of health care. 109 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: But it's not that. 110 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: Why is it so hard to get the message across 111 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: that there is fraud, that there are people that are 112 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: taking from the system, and it's actually hurting the family 113 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: with the sick child because they're taking from a system 114 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: that it can only be so big. 115 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 4: Well, no offense to the house, but the way they 116 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: structured their one point five trillion, they just kind of 117 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 4: pulled that number out of the air. 118 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: Sounds like a lot. It's really not me in the moment. 119 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: But then they assigned more than half of that cross 120 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: reduction to the E and c CO. They can only 121 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: touch Medicaid and so they weren't prepared for that. And 122 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 4: so immediately democrats are I say, oh, they're going to 123 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 4: cut your Medicaid and they're going to remove a disabled 124 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 4: children from their roles. And nothing could have been further 125 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: from the truth. But we just weren't prepared for it. 126 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 4: So we haven't explained this the way we really really 127 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: need to explain it. There's a great article came out 128 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: late in the process. A father of a seven year 129 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: old severely autistic child. God bless the family. They're taking 130 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: care of this kid at home. They wanted home healthcare, 131 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: but they're on a tenure waiting list because they're crowded 132 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: out by. 133 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: The single working age adult. 134 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: Because for example, states would rather service that person because 135 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: they're getting nine bucks for every one dollar they put 136 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 4: in providers. This is people need to understand this. So 137 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 4: for the exact same service, if you're in Medicare, that 138 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: would be one rate, but we're finding providers are getting 139 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: two or three times the rate for the same service 140 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 4: for a single working age adult under Medicaid. Again, another distortion. 141 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: So that's what we were trying to fix. Before we ever 142 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 4: came up with the number, before we ever assigned anything 143 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: for a committee, we should have been saying, Okay, here 144 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: are the goals, return to a reasonbook, pre pandemic alble spending, 145 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: and Senator Johnson has laid out different options, and. 146 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: We really need to fix. 147 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 4: The most damaging parts of Obamacare on Medicaid so that 148 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: disabled children aren't denied care, that we're not crowding out 149 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 4: disabled children, we're not spending money and making that a 150 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: program less sustainable. Again, we should have started that way, 151 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: but that's not how we did it. 152 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: It's really hard for the American people to understand, and 153 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: I think that those of us in the media are 154 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: afraid that once we hit the midterms, this talking point 155 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: is going to take off and they're going to say, oh, 156 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: they'd rob these poor families. The Republicans are robbing these 157 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: poor families of healthcare. And you're in a swing state, 158 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: you know, I'm in Michigan. Gretchen Whitmer has already been 159 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: going after John James, going after Tom Barrett, going after 160 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 2: Bill Heisinger and saying they voted to take healthcare away 161 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: from kids. 162 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: That is what they're going to keep saying. 163 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: I feel like we need like a Preger You video 164 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: on this or something that we play everywhere, because I 165 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: think it's hard to understand. 166 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: Well, they always say the best defense is good offense, 167 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: and we had no offense. It's it's just a sad fact. 168 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 4: That's where we're at. 169 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: So, but how do we have an offense? Going into 170 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: the election? 171 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: They're all back on their heels as a result. We're 172 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: already pregnant with this, right, It's like, okay, we've already 173 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: done it. They are going to tell the lies about it. 174 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 4: So why didn't we do what Rick Scott proposed, which 175 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: is just stop adding new enrollies to Medicaid. 176 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: Expansion end it. 177 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: That would have saved us like literally more than a 178 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: half a trillion dollars, But we couldn't get the votes 179 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 4: of the Senate didn't even have enough votes to bring 180 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 4: it up as an amendment, and of course leadership god Asthley, 181 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: President Trump did not want include into the base bill. 182 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: And that was a huge disappointment to me. 183 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: So you're saying, not enroll new people, but the old 184 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: people wouldn't be kicked off. 185 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: But now the people okay, and by the. 186 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: Way, states, why did offer medicaid to single adults? Fine, 187 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 4: but you're going to get reimbursed at the same rate 188 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: as we reimbursed for a disabled child. 189 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: I mean, is that reasonable? Yes, But I don't think 190 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 3: this is that hard to explain. 191 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: We never even tried to explain it, you know, once 192 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: it got in the Senates court, I tried to explain it, 193 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: but all the attention was on the House and they 194 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: were just, you know, kind of backed into the corner 195 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: taking the blows. 196 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: Again. We can't keep doing that. 197 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 4: So I guess what I'm hoping tutors will happen is 198 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: a few months down the road when people realize, oh, 199 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 4: my be disabled child, she sales medicaid. 200 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: Oh the Democrats were lying. Now that's a big hope that. 201 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: The Democrats or the media would actually cover that way, 202 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: but that will be the reality. Nobody's going to lose 203 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: Medicaid unless there's a work requirement. Now in a single 204 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: age or a single working age adult gets a job, 205 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 4: that's a good thing. 206 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: So this president has been unique in the way that 207 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: he informs the public what he's doing, because he has 208 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 2: taken ads out on TV and said, here's what we're 209 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: doing with the border, here's what we're doing with security. 210 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: There's been a different way of informing the public because 211 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: of exactly what you're saying. The media is not going 212 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: to be friendly to Republicans. The media is certainly not 213 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: going to be friendly to President Trump. Do you think 214 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: that come midterms there's going to have to be an 215 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: explanation of what's happening with Medicare and Medicaid. 216 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 4: There's going to have to be and again hoping we 217 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: will get a second by the Apple so that we 218 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: can really. 219 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? 220 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 4: Another reconciliation bill that is that will allow for example, 221 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: you know, one of the reason I voted yes is 222 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: because we're going to set up this call it, you know, 223 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 4: budget Efficiency Review Panel or whatever you want to call it, 224 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 4: but where we're going to set up a house Senate 225 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: and Executive Branch effort to go line by line, program 226 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: by program through the entire federal budget. Except for social 227 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 4: creating Medicare we won't touch, we won't examine those, but 228 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 4: go through and expose it very doze like from a 229 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 4: standpoint of you can't defend this. And again, when you've 230 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: gone from four point four trillion dollars in twenty nineteen 231 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: to over seven trillion dollars this year fifty eight percent increase, 232 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 4: and have twenty six hundred programs in the federal government, 233 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 4: did you know that twenty six hundred. I've got to 234 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: believe there are hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds 235 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: of programs that if you just eliminate them, nobody would know, 236 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 4: Nobody who'd notice except for the grifters who are sucking 237 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 4: on the waist froud abuse in pork, and of course 238 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: the news media, who are the communication all over the 239 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 4: Democrat Party. They catch one of it, they'll blow it 240 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: into some story that's just not true. 241 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 242 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. 243 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: So you have been sort of told there's an opportunity 244 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: for this second bite, and the part of the reason 245 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: that you voted for this is that you've made the 246 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: comment I. 247 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: Want to be involved, highly involved in that process. 248 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's something that I had somebody say 249 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: to me the other day, Gosh, our senators are never working, 250 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: And I said, really, because I believe that they were 251 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: there all night, every night, all of last week. And 252 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: then I saw our congressman right up until the holiday 253 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: spending all night negotiating. So I really take exception to that. 254 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: But I think that there is there this perception that 255 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: it's like, Oh, we're all just hanging out and then 256 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: we vote and we leave you. I want you to 257 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: talk about what it means to be highly involved in 258 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: the process. 259 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: You just went through the discussions that. 260 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: You'll have, But tell us when you say that, what 261 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: kinds of work is it behind the scenes too? And 262 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: can you negotiate it all with Democrats on this stuff? 263 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: Is there any reasonable Democrat left in Washington DC? 264 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: Now? 265 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: When it comes reducing spending, we'll get no help whatsoever. 266 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: I mean, they're complaining about the deskt now, but they're 267 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: the ones that in four years the average desk at 268 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: one point nine trillion. W again, prior the pandemic the 269 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: average was six hundred and sixty billion. So, by the way, 270 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: when they had the similar situation, they were using budget reconciliation, 271 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 4: they could have increased taxes on anybody. 272 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: They didn't. 273 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 4: They could have repealed the Tax Cutting Jobs Act. All 274 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: we did is we just extended it. We didn't cut taxes, 275 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: you know, we didn't. You know, obviously the promises of 276 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: President Trump made and a few other tax credits, which 277 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: honestly I would have done, but nobody wanted to increase taxes, 278 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 4: including Democrats. So again no, there are no Democrats to 279 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 4: help us out there. But specifically in terms of what 280 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: I did with budget reconcilation, it really started over the 281 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 4: holidays Christmas holidays where I came up with the concept 282 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: of a pre pandemic level spending. Did my research, came 283 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 4: up with Clinton in ninety eight, Obama twenty fourteen, Trump 284 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, laid out those options, wrote a. 285 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: Column in the Wall Street Journal. 286 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: They published it that gained that traction, followed up with 287 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: two other columns, one proposing a bunch of review panel, 288 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: and then finally I wrote I wrote it myself, a 289 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: thirty page report laying out all the options in terms 290 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 4: of all the scenarios of growth and spending reductions. I mean, 291 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 4: what it's going to take to ballast a budget and 292 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: economic growth just won't do it. 293 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you can have a three percent growth and 294 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: that kind of flattens the curve, but. 295 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: It literally would take about a three percent average growth, 296 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 4: which we haven't had since the last century. And we've 297 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: been averaging about two one percent two point two one 298 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 4: percent since the year two thousand and about a fifteen 299 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: percent reduction in spending, and nobody's even coming close to, 300 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: by the way, that would be right in the midpoint 301 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 4: of my five point five to six point five trillion 302 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: dollar pre pandemic baseline. 303 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: So it's very doable. Again, just go back to where 304 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: did it all go? 305 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand. 306 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: I get that we had to have increased spending during 307 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: the pandemic. 308 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: There were programs that went into place. 309 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: Why why didn't those all just disappear now that we 310 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: were back to did. 311 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 4: But Democrats won the presidency the House of the Senate, 312 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: and they used budget reconciliation to pass massive you know, 313 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 4: they did a COVID relief, but then they did the 314 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: Inflation Reduction Act, which was or wellly named laying all 315 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: these and as you task credits and just all new 316 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: spending programs that against Once Ronald Reagan say that the 317 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: closest thing to eternal life on earth is the government 318 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: program So again government rattless in one direction. We get 319 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 4: no help from the media in terms of this is 320 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: why we're trying to reduce spending to a reasonable pre 321 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 4: pandemic level. I mean what the media should have been 322 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: doing is which Austin is time about, was eminently reasonable. 323 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: WED spent too little under Clinton. 324 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: He's taking the one point seven and increasing it to 325 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 4: five point five based on population growth, inflation, leaving associalcating medicaid, 326 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 4: our Medicare, and. 327 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: Interest to law. I mean, this is a reasonable proposal. 328 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: Why aren't you on board? Mister Democrats? 329 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: Senator we ever one of those guys. Where is Clinton? 330 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: I mean, he wants to come out and occasionally talk 331 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: to people when they're running for office, But where is 332 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: the leadership in the Democrat party saying we cannot continue spending? 333 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: And is this a situation where the American people are 334 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: now just used to it? So it's okay because nobody 335 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: is outside of you. 336 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: There are very. 337 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: Few people that are pulling the alarm and saying this 338 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: is going to be catastrophic. 339 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you my thirty page report was 340 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 4: largely ignored by my colleagues in the American public. 341 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: Okay, and again I laid on all the options. 342 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 4: I could tell he's ignored because I was hearing questions 343 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: being posed inside the conference going, well, if you would 344 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: have read my report, you already have the answer on 345 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: that one. So I think in Washington, DC, people really 346 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: don't like numbers. I mean, this is a budget process. 347 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 4: Were well, the only thing you ever heard was one 348 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 4: point five trillion and sounds like a lot. But compared 349 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: to the two point one trillion we increase in just 350 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: one year versus one point five trillion over ten years, 351 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: I mean, the spending increases order magnitude worse than the 352 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 4: spending reduction. Or we heard the only numbers account to 353 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 4: eighteen and fifty one, you know, the number of most 354 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 4: people had to get and in the end that those 355 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: were the relevant numbers. 356 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: So how does this all play out in states like Wisconsin? 357 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I know in Michigan, I just told you 358 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: what's going to happen in Michigan. I think that makes 359 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: it challenging come the midterm, because, like you said, the 360 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: information didn't go out ahead of time to make sure 361 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: that the American public knew. 362 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: And I think you know, when we talk about. 363 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: Things like this, it's not even a situation where you 364 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: have to go into red states and have these conversations. 365 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: But there are some key swing states that need to 366 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: have some offense because we are going to go into 367 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: a very tough race in Michigan, and I spect you'll 368 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: have very tough races in Wisconsin. So what do you 369 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: see playing how do you see this playing out in 370 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: twenty six Well. 371 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 4: First of all, Democrats can have to find somebody that 372 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: got kicked off. 373 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: The medicaid rules, and they won't be able to that. 374 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: They'll be able to maybe find a single adult who 375 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: had to get a job and now is getting insurance 376 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 4: to their job. That's actually a good thing, that's a 377 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 4: good news story. So again, hopefully that the lives would 378 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: be revealed. Yeah, we certainly should promote the fact that 379 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 4: we didn't increase your taxes. You know, had it not 380 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 4: been for us, your taxes would have gone up by 381 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: you know, however many dollars or what percent we had 382 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: to fund border security because by an open of the border. 383 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: So again, I. 384 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 4: Think the American people are highly appreciative of the things 385 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 4: that they know only President Trump would do. So he's 386 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 4: doing things that had to be done that only he 387 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 4: would do, and I think an awful lot of Americans 388 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 4: do appreciate that, which is why his approval ratings still 389 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: remain pretty high. 390 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going to say. His approval 391 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: rating is high. And then over fourth of July we're 392 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: hearing all of these conversations about patriotism that to me 393 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: was a stunning number. When you see patriotism for Republicans 394 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: at ninety percent or higher and patriotism for Democrats at 395 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: twenty five percent or lower, that to me, the Democrats 396 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: have a bigger problem than they're willing to admit, I 397 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: think so. 398 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: And just the the ideological policies they've been pushing, I 399 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 4: mean boys and girls, locker rooms and bathrooms and competing 400 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 4: in sports and putting our girls and women at danger again, 401 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 4: just the open borders, I mean, just all this insane 402 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 4: policy that they support that the American people don't. So no, 403 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 4: they're they're they're pretty well captured by the radical leftists 404 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 4: and their ranks, and that's going to be difficult for 405 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: them to overcome. Again, They've got the news media on 406 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 4: their side, which is an enormous advantage. But now we've 407 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 4: got alternate media, we've got podcasters, and more and more 408 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: people are getting the news this way, less and less 409 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 4: through the mainstream media. Is you know, the time shifting 410 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: from standpoint of what messages and what reality is getting 411 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 4: out there. 412 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: I think those of us in alternative meeting are watching 413 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: this and we're kind of balancing what the mainstream media 414 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: is doing with the truth and getting the information out there. 415 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: But also there is a concern about the midterms. There's 416 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: a lot of people out there that are saying, oh, 417 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: they always go to the other side. I think that 418 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: this is a case where we have a real opportunity 419 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: to stop that from happening. Because the president is so 420 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 2: popular and because his policies have been so popular, it's 421 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: hard to argue against keeping the country safe and. 422 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: Closing the border. 423 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: There are really no countries that allowed this to happen 424 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: at the rate that it's happened, And even in the 425 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: European countries where we see mass immigration, they are now 426 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: we see warnings all the time from them saying don't 427 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: do this, it actually didn't work out so well. But 428 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: there is still a past that we have to deal 429 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: with with Joe Biden, and there's been discussions of investigating 430 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: what happened the auto pen all of the decisions that 431 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: were made that seem to have not been made by him. 432 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: What do you make about his doctor pleading the fifth 433 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 2: and saying that he won't come and speak to a 434 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: congressional hearing about about President Biden when he was in office. 435 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: To me, that's very scary to think that he's not 436 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: willing to even come and testify to what he told 437 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: the public back then. 438 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 3: Well, I think it speaks vioence. 439 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 4: But I think you also have to respect the doctor 440 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 4: patient relationship as well, So he'd probably be the last 441 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: person I would be doing compulsory measures to force some testify. 442 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 4: But we are requesting and we've done our first interview 443 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 4: with people, these cabinet members, that type of thing. 444 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: So we're doing a serious investigation in this. We're not holding. 445 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: Here is We're just doing interviews to see what we 446 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: can find out. I think the American people have a 447 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: right to know this is this is serious business. I 448 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 4: think we also need to have future cabinet members and 449 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 4: future vice presidents understanding this. If something is happening here, 450 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 4: they also be held accountable. They have a constitution. They 451 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 4: swore on oath the Constitution at the twenty fifth Amendment 452 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 4: for a reason, and if it needs to be invoked, 453 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 4: they have the responsibility to invoke it. 454 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that she was willing to come out 455 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: and take his position when the rest of the party said, yes, 456 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: it's okay now for you to come out and step in. 457 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: But at the time when it was really critical and 458 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: he was making these decisions, she stayed quiet. And I'm 459 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: talking about Vice President Harris. Going into twenty eight, we're 460 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: going to see these same characters coming back up. I 461 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: think that what you're talking about with this massive spending. 462 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 2: To me, the scariest part is we talked about Clinton, 463 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 2: we talked about Obama. We don't even really talk about 464 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: Biden because nobody believes that he was making these decisions. 465 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: Do you think that the party itself, whoever was making 466 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: decisions in the Democrat Party while Joe Biden was in office, 467 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: was just completely irresponsible when it came to spending, or 468 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: do you think it was. 469 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: True grifting and there was true corruption behind the scenes. 470 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: I think it's a combination. 471 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 4: But no, let's face the Democrats are the party big government, 472 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 4: and they'll do anything they can to grow it because 473 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 4: they realize as government grows, their power increases, the freedom 474 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: of all all of us recedes. That's that's what they want. 475 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't understand it. I think that the 476 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 4: essential ingredient to America's freedom. It's what you know we've 477 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: all used to dream, inspired build and creates this mind 478 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 4: level country. It's about freedom and the last thing we 479 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 4: got to be doing is willingly giving away our freedom. 480 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 4: But that's what far too many of Americans are doing. 481 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: But no, Democrats love government. They love to spend. They 482 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: could care less, and you know they're just whistling by 483 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: the graveyard. 484 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: We've been getting away with it for years. 485 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 4: I would have thought we would have a debt bubble 486 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: burst prior to this. By the way, we've seen a 487 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 4: chronic debt crisis now for decades. It's called the devaluation 488 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 4: of the dollar, you know, with along those pre pandemic 489 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 4: clubs of spending. I also just calculated what a dollar 490 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 4: was worth in nineteen ninety eight. It's not with fifty 491 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 4: one cents a twenty fourteen dollars worth seventy four cents 492 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 4: and twenty nineteen dollars worth eighty cents. That's that's the 493 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: silent tax of inflation, the devaluation of the dollar, the 494 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 4: robbing of anybody with an asset. That's what big government 495 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: has done. That's what Desk is spending is done. Literally, 496 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: it's immoral. It's what we're doing to mill income Americans 497 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 4: and particularly our young people. 498 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: That has been our frustration on the state level. 499 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: I think what you said just now is really that's 500 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: the ad that people need to hear. The bigger the 501 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: government gets, who's paying for that? We're paying for that 502 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: every time there's a new program. And I mean I 503 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: look over at LA and San Francisco and their homelessness 504 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: programs are in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and 505 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 2: yet homelessness keeps growing. If you grow in a portion 506 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: of government and they don't, they don't actually come up 507 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: with a solution, then perhaps you need to get rid 508 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: of that arm of government. But once it's there, it's 509 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: so hard to get rid of. And I just appreciate 510 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: that you are staying. I know that you had originally 511 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: said that you would only serve two terms, and it 512 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: sounds like you will run again. 513 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's so crucial. 514 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: To have people who are thinking about these things and 515 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: thinking about the future and thinking about reducing the power 516 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: that government has, and it's rare. 517 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: So I appreciate what you do in Washington for us. 518 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that, and I already did run for 519 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 4: my third term. Hopefully I can get this all fixed. 520 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: And go the fourth term. 521 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: Let's get it all fixed. 522 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 4: Let's put this on a this country and path of 523 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: the fiscal sustainability. That's that's my goal here over the 524 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: next three and a half years. 525 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate it. 526 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: Like I said, I hear sometimes people saying, oh, they're 527 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: not working hard enough, and I'm out there as your 528 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: champion saying, no, you guys don't understand. 529 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: This is not a an eight hour a day job. 530 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: They're working twenty four hours when they're there, and when 531 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: they're back home, they're out there campaigning and talking to 532 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: people and taking meetings with folks on the ground. It 533 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: is a twenty four hour job. And Senator Ron Johnson, 534 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: we appreciate. 535 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: You well, thanks for having on every day. 536 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: Thanks you too, and thank you all for joining us 537 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You can get this podcast 538 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts, or you can watch it 539 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: on Rumble and YouTube at tutor Dixon. 540 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: Join us next time and have a blessing.