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Speaker 2: Now the governing can begin, Simon Carroll, we got through
Speaker 2: the formalities.
Speaker 3: He can swear in the members.
Speaker 4: Now listen.
Speaker 5: He's got a feel relief, no doubt about it. But
Speaker 5: Joe Matthew, I always wonder about politically, you know how
Speaker 5: this looks better that it didn't go to a second
Speaker 5: round or a third round. Nobody would argue that, but
Speaker 5: that he didn't get it easily without having to have
Speaker 5: some negotiating going on. What are the implications potentially of that,
Speaker 5: or do we start governing next week and everybody forgets
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody we'll forget about any of this.
Speaker 2: Let's remember he will have a majority if Donald Trump
Speaker 2: gets the members he requested to join his administration, a
Speaker 2: majority of one. When you see Mike Johnson talking to
Speaker 2: Hakeim Jeffreys on the floor there rest assured they're going
Speaker 2: to have to work together to make anything happen.
Speaker 3: The next step, of.
Speaker 2: Course, once we get through this swearing in the membership,
Speaker 2: they're going to have to craft out a plan, an
Speaker 2: agenda that will include boror security and extending the Trump
Speaker 2: tax cuts. They're going to have to avoid a government shutdown.
Speaker 2: They're going to have to deal with raising the debt ceiling.
Speaker 2: Doing all of that with a majority of one is
Speaker 2: going to be very complicated for Mike Johnson, who is
Speaker 2: now making his way toward the speaker's rostrum so he
Speaker 2: can reclaim the gavel. A lot of happy folks here,
Speaker 2: But to your point, I think, Carol, the hard part
Speaker 2: actually starts now.
Speaker 6: Did this vote today send any sort of message about
Speaker 6: the power of Donald Trump. Mike Johnson was backed is
Speaker 6: backed by Donald Trump, but not everybody in the party
Speaker 6: fell in line today.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and Elon musked him. They both laid in
Speaker 2: the game, endorsed Mike Johnson. We can argue that it
Speaker 2: might have helped him actually get this done on the
Speaker 2: first remembering that this had to happen today for the
Speaker 2: vote certification on Monday, the sixth of January. Right, this
Speaker 2: is the next January sixth. We're walking up on here.
Speaker 2: You need to have a Congress to do that. That's
Speaker 2: a joint session where that takes place in the very
Speaker 2: chamber that we're looking at now, and you'll see Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris preside over that vote certification. That was a point
Speaker 2: of leverage that Kevin McCarthy didn't have, that even Mike
Speaker 2: Johnson didn't have the last time around. And I suspect
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was involved in those conversations. Today we
Speaker 2: saw Nancy Mace hand her cell phone over to Ralph
Speaker 2: Norman at one point. I wonder who was on the
Speaker 2: line there and whether that was a Florida area code.
Speaker 2: That's the way this thing takes place now. That's the
Speaker 2: way it's done now, and what would normally be kind
Speaker 2: of a formality. You have to grind the gears a
Speaker 2: little bit when you have so few people on your
Speaker 2: side in this Republican conference.
Speaker 5: I gotta say, Joe, I want to go back to
Speaker 5: something earlier you said, and it's something that we have
Speaker 5: many conversations with folks around this table, investment experts who
Speaker 5: are wondering exactly what a Trump White House's second Trump
Speaker 5: White House ultimately gets done. You talk about this slim
Speaker 5: majority that will be there on the House, and the
Speaker 5: work that Mike Johnson will have to do to really
Speaker 5: reach across the aisle.
Speaker 4: It does.
Speaker 5: It is indicative of maybe not everything or not to
Speaker 5: the extremes in terms of the policies we heard from
Speaker 5: Donald Trump on the campaign trail ultimately get carried out.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true.
Speaker 2: I mean, remembering, of course you've got a Republican House,
Speaker 2: a Republican Senate, and a Republican White House. If it's
Speaker 2: ever going to happen, it's now. But yes, the real
Speaker 2: argument will likely fall along the lines of this tax
Speaker 2: code reform. It's not just as simple anymore, right as
Speaker 2: extending the Trump tax cuts. You have to add no
Speaker 2: taxes on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on
Speaker 2: Social Security, mortgage interest, there were so many others involving
Speaker 2: auto loans and things that never mind salt. We haven't
Speaker 2: mentioned salt yet. Can you get all of that into
Speaker 2: one bill? That's a tall order. So when you look
Speaker 2: at promises made on the campaign trail, you have to
Speaker 2: get into the granular and whether that's in fact possible.
Speaker 2: Here we're looking at this live shop by the way
Speaker 2: of chip Roy in the back of the chamber along
Speaker 2: with some of his fellow members of the Freedom Caucus,
Speaker 2: who were you know, the troublemakers, if you will, in
Speaker 2: this case for Mike Johnson, even though he closed the
Speaker 2: deal on round one. But what we're going to see
Speaker 2: next is the speaker in the rostrum where he'll be
Speaker 2: introduced by Jakim Jeffries and handed the gavel. And this
Speaker 2: is the moment that they wanted, right. They've got their
Speaker 2: family members, their kids are with them in some cases.
Speaker 2: Today this is supposed to be a big, raw, raw
Speaker 2: photo op for the conference, and they'll get to that
Speaker 2: eventually once we get by the way back to Washington
Speaker 2: and back to governing in a week or two.
Speaker 3: It's also the confirmation.
Speaker 2: Hearings that need to take place for Donald Trump's team,
Speaker 2: and those are not going to go very easily for
Speaker 2: the likes of Pete Hegseth Tulsea Gabbard, RFK Junior. So
Speaker 2: before we even get to writing legislation, Carol, there are
Speaker 2: going to be some bumps on the road for this
Speaker 2: Republican majority.
Speaker 6: Is Thomas Massey one of those bumps on the road, Well.
Speaker 3: Boy, he sure was today.
Speaker 2: Although you know everyone saw it coming so I feel
Speaker 2: like they just kind of factored him out. He's made
Speaker 2: very clear that he's not about to change his vote
Speaker 2: for Mike Johnson no matter what he is promised. So
Speaker 2: I think it's some of the other members that Chip
Speaker 2: Roy's Marjorie Taylor Green was on the side of Mike
Speaker 2: Johnson in this case, Andy Biggs, some of those folks
Speaker 2: Andy Ogles and the Freedom Caucus who don't like the
Speaker 2: way Mike Johnson handles budgeting, the fact that he has
Speaker 2: worked with Democrats so far.
Speaker 3: They might be more of the thorn in his side, you.
Speaker 5: Know, all right, just to rehash if you're just joining
Speaker 5: us on radio, TV, across our platforms, Republican Mike Johnson
Speaker 5: winning re election as how Speaker, overcoming resistance from a
Speaker 5: small but pivotal group of conservative hardliners after a flurry
Speaker 5: of last minute talks and with the help of a
Speaker 5: critical endorsement from President like Donald Trump. You know, Joe,
Speaker 5: you understand the workings of Washington and what goes in
Speaker 5: and around the nation's capital so well. It will be
Speaker 5: an interesting second term of Donald Trump, and most already
Speaker 5: say it's going to be different from the first White House.
Speaker 5: I am curious if you were sitting down though, with
Speaker 5: the Speaker, what would be your first question to him?
Speaker 3: Boy? You know, how often do you guys?
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people think Donald Trump is the
Speaker 2: real speaker, and you've got arguably Donald Trump on one
Speaker 2: shoulder and Elon Musk on the other. So this is
Speaker 2: really framed by many the hardest job in Washington, at
Speaker 2: least the most unwonted job in Washington is being the
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House with such a narrow majority. I
Speaker 2: guess i'd ask him to what extent are you willing
Speaker 2: to work with hackem Jeffreys as well? Because they're going
Speaker 2: to need each other to do anything.
Speaker 3: In this case.
Speaker 2: It's not so much a power sharing agreement in the
Speaker 2: traditional sense when you'd have a real tie, but with
Speaker 2: one member, my goodness, they're going to have to work
Speaker 2: together on a lot of things here, and that's going
Speaker 2: to make life more challenging for Mike Johnson. Question is again,
Speaker 2: how quick can they get to the border? That's what
Speaker 2: people want to see, those who brought Donald Trump back
Speaker 2: to Washington, and that will likely be the first bill
Speaker 2: that you see emerge.
Speaker 6: How tenuous is Speaker Johnson's position right now I think
Speaker 6: back to the challenges that former House Speaker McCarthy faced. Yeah,
Speaker 6: just a couple of years ago before this. How tenuous
Speaker 6: is his position right now?
Speaker 2: It's less tenuous simply by the math tim They're going
Speaker 2: to be voting on a rules package that I referred
Speaker 2: to already here. That's one of the next procedural things
Speaker 2: that will take place that changes that motion to vacate.
Speaker 2: We kept talking about the procedure through which you fire
Speaker 2: the speaker when it was Kevin McCarthy. He made a
Speaker 2: deal to get that gabble by bringing it down to
Speaker 2: a single member. That's partly why Matt Gates is famous
Speaker 2: at this point because he took care of that. No
Speaker 2: longer in the House, and by the way, he didn't
Speaker 2: show up today as some thought he might. That number
Speaker 2: increased to nine. Now it would take nine members to
Speaker 2: trigger a vote to.
Speaker 3: Fire the speaker.
Speaker 2: So you've got a little bit of breathing room for
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson procedurally but also politically because he's got Donald
Speaker 2: Trump at his back, He's got Elon Musk behind him,
Speaker 2: and will likely be in much better shape in this
Speaker 2: Congress than anything we saw in the last.
Speaker 5: I will say that we do have members of the
Speaker 5: House weighing in. Representative Scott Perry from Pennsylvania say, while
Speaker 5: I maintain my reservations about Speaker Johnson's leadership record, today
Speaker 5: voted in support of President Trump's agenda, we will hold
Speaker 5: Speaker Johnson accountable to accomplish the Republican agenda and talking
Speaker 5: about specific issues, he must secure our southern border, institute,
Speaker 5: commence House rules, cut and bridled federal spending, implement a
Speaker 5: Congressional stock trade band. So you know, various members weighing in,
Speaker 5: maybe on some of their concerns. Joe and I would
Speaker 5: assume that we'll continue to hear some of these about
Speaker 5: what they expect out of this speaker.
Speaker 3: Yes, sure you will.
Speaker 2: And that's an important one that you mentioned, by the way,
Speaker 2: not by accident, because that is a member of the
Speaker 2: Freedom Caucus who has been on the fence.
Speaker 3: With some of this, not so much about the Trump agenda.
Speaker 2: These are MAGA loyalists, but they are not always in
Speaker 2: favor of the way that Mike Johnson or before him,
Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy has worked with Democrats continuing resolutions on the
Speaker 2: bus bills. They want regular order and they want steep
Speaker 2: spending cuts and by the way, I've mentioned Elon Muska
Speaker 2: a couple of times. Right before this vote, Mike Johnson
Speaker 2: went on x and put quite a missive and said,
Speaker 2: as speaker, I can commit to do the following. There
Speaker 2: were three items. The very first one was to commit
Speaker 2: to working with DOGE and to enact the spending cut
Speaker 2: recommendations that come from Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami.
Speaker 3: It may have helped him win the gavel today.
Speaker 5: All right, Joe, do not go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Chris.
Speaker 5: We need you at this hour, no doubt about that.
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Speaker 5: You do have somebody up there on Capitol Hill, our
Speaker 5: own Tyler Candle. She's Bloomberg News reporter Tyler. What I
Speaker 5: am interested in what you are picking up in terms
Speaker 5: of mood and maybe what was going on behind the
Speaker 5: scenes when Mike Johnson didn't initially get that vote and
Speaker 5: had to do some work behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, Carol, it was fast moving up here on
Speaker 4: Capitol Hill. And just to give you a little bit
Speaker 4: of color of what's happening up here, the hill is
Speaker 4: absolutely packed both with members but also their families as
Speaker 4: they come to witness the new member class be sworn in.
Speaker 4: So there is high energy here in the rotunda. I
Speaker 4: can tell you that I was sticking out how Speaker
Speaker 4: Mike Johnson's office earlier today before the vote, where he
Speaker 4: told reporters that he would not engage in what he
Speaker 4: called a quid pro quo to get any votes over
Speaker 4: the finish line. So that's going to be the next
Speaker 4: big question here as Joe was talking about, what were
Speaker 4: those back room deals that may have been reached in
Speaker 4: order to ultimately get him to that magic number of
Speaker 4: two eighteen.
Speaker 6: As Joe mentioned, the challenging part comes now, Tyler, what
Speaker 6: does Mike Johnson have to do to be able to
Speaker 6: actually be effective as House Speaker with such a slight majority.
Speaker 4: Right, So, I had reporting this morning that I had
Speaker 4: spoken to a Congressional aid who told me that they
Speaker 4: ultimately thought that this was going to come down to
Speaker 4: potential spending cuts, some sort of deal around that, since
Speaker 4: when he looked at the members who voicing concerns with Johnson,
Speaker 4: they were the same members who had previously voiced concerns
Speaker 4: when it comes to potentially Donald Trump's agenda and what
Speaker 4: that means for the fiscal outlook for the country, particularly
Speaker 4: anticipated tax cuts. So I think that's going to see
Speaker 4: something that we really see prioritized in this next Congress,
Speaker 4: particularly with Speaker Johnson. Joe had also mentioned this, but
Speaker 4: right before he went on the floor, he put out
Speaker 4: what he was calling his list of commitments to his conference,
Speaker 4: and they really had to deal with this idea of
Speaker 4: fiscal responsibility, such as working with DOGE and pointing independent
Speaker 4: experts that will release a report to the public, but
Speaker 4: also urging his committees that they have to take what
Speaker 4: he called quote aggressive action when it came to reviewing
Speaker 4: their appropriations because we are expecting a busy year, particularly
Speaker 4: with President elect Trump's new agenda, and it's going to
Speaker 4: include spending and it's going to include tax cuts. And
Speaker 4: this was just a little bit of a preview for
Speaker 4: some of the criticism and thorns in the side of
Speaker 4: Speaker Johnson that we might expect.
Speaker 5: Tyler, I've got to say I've been watching and monitor
Speaker 5: to see if the President elect has made any comments
Speaker 5: on truth social and just kind of watching to see
Speaker 5: if he makes any comments. What, if anything, did you
Speaker 5: hear about behind the scenes of any involvement of the
Speaker 5: President elect in this process, especially since when it seemed
Speaker 5: like it was a little bit touch and go here
Speaker 5: at the end.
Speaker 4: Well, I have to say there was actually an audible
Speaker 4: gas peer in the rotunda when Chip Roy ended up
Speaker 4: going for President elect Trump. We know that Trip Roy
Speaker 4: had been one of those holdouts, and he had previously
Speaker 4: sparred with President elect Trump. If you'll recall during that
Speaker 4: spending debate last month, when Trump had urged Republicans to
Speaker 4: lift the debt ceiling, he threatened Roy with a primary
Speaker 4: challenge cance. Roy stood up and said that he was
Speaker 4: not going to end up voting for that. So it
Speaker 4: was interesting to hear that when President elect Trump threw
Speaker 4: his weight behind Johnson, he offered to personally call members
Speaker 4: and that included Trip Roy. So we are and on
Speaker 4: the first round, of course, trip Roy ended up going
Speaker 4: for Mike Johnson. So it does appear that there was
Speaker 4: some sort of sway there, and we are also told
Speaker 4: that allies of Trump on the Hill ended up going
Speaker 4: into trying to push and work with Speaker Mike Johnson
Speaker 4: when it came to persuading some of these House Freedom
Speaker 4: Caucus members. But ultimately important to remember that on that
Speaker 4: first round vote, Trip Roy and also the Chair of
Speaker 4: the House Freedom Caucus, Andy Harris, both voted in favor
Speaker 4: of Johnson.
Speaker 6: Tyler Kendall, Bloomberg News reporter joining us live from Capitol Hill.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for that.
Speaker 6: I do want to go back to Joe Matthew standing
Speaker 6: by in our Washington, DC bureau, co host of Bloomberg
Speaker 6: Bolence of Power. Excuse me, Joe, so many shows out there.
Speaker 6: I want to go back to what you said about DOGE,
Speaker 6: the Department of Government efficiency and the commitment on the
Speaker 6: Department of Government efficiency from the elected Speaker of the House,
Speaker 6: Mike Johnson, and hear a little bit about your view
Speaker 6: on how this could be easier said than done given
Speaker 6: how much the US government spends on Social Security, Medicare,
Speaker 6: national defense, health, even net interest. I mean that's the
Speaker 6: majority of the budget right there. How does the Speaker
Speaker 6: enact the recommendations from DOGE?
Speaker 2: It's a great question, and I'll preface my answer by
Speaker 2: saying that this DOGE, the d for Department, is not
Speaker 2: actually a government department, right. This is kind of a
Speaker 2: blue ribbon panel, if you will, not, unlike other committees
Speaker 2: that have been put together before. So we've been trying
Speaker 2: to determine where's the connective tissue here between the DOGE
Speaker 2: and the actual lawmaking when it comes to writing legislation
Speaker 2: or crafting budgets. He wrote in his post on X
Speaker 2: I commit to create a working group comprised of independent experts,
Speaker 2: not corrupted by lobbyists and special interests, to work with
Speaker 2: DOGE and our committees on implementing recommended government and spending
Speaker 2: reforms to protect the American taxpayer. There's no guarantee there
Speaker 2: that that actually happens, though, and we don't exactly know
Speaker 2: yet what the DOGE plans to do in terms of
Speaker 2: cutting spending. We've heard Elon Musk suggest cutting two trillion dollars,
Speaker 2: but I think to your point, Tim, they'd have to
Speaker 2: probably crack into entitlements to find that kind of money.
Speaker 2: They would have the slash defense spending, neither of which
Speaker 2: Donald Trump wants to do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard that called the third rail of politics.
Speaker 6: People don't necessarily want to touch that. Joe, all right, Joe,
Speaker 6: thanks so much. Right, yeah, Joe, thanks so much. We're
Speaker 6: gonna let you go. You got a lot of work
Speaker 6: to do before your five pm show, so we're gonna
Speaker 6: let you go. That's a Bloomberg's Joe Matthew down there
Speaker 6: in Washington, DC.
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Speaker 5: Speaker Johnson laying out the Republican agenda, the priorities, a
Speaker 5: return to, in his words, to common sense, after winning
Speaker 5: re election as House Speaker, overcoming resistant from a small
Speaker 5: but pivotal group of conservative hardliners after a flurry of
Speaker 5: last minute talk something we were watching happen in real
Speaker 5: time from the House floor. And also he did have
Speaker 5: the help of a critical endorsement from President like Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: who has come out tim untruths social offering up his
Speaker 5: congratulations to Speaker Mike Johnson for receiving in the president
Speaker 5: x words an unprecedented vote of confidence in Congress. He says,
Speaker 5: Mike will be a great speaker and our country will
Speaker 5: be the beneficiary.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so wasn't just Mike Johnson we were from. We
Speaker 6: also heard from Mehem Jeffries a little earlier. Absolutely, Cher
Speaker 6: said it is time for us to come together, not
Speaker 6: as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans to get things
Speaker 6: done for the people. In that spirit, House Democrats work
Speaker 6: hard to find bipartisan common with our Republican colleagues in
Speaker 6: the incoming administration on any issue, whenever and wherever possible.
Speaker 5: Someone who will be following what kind of common ground
Speaker 5: they ultimately find? His Bloomberg News Politics editor Laura Davis,
Speaker 5: and she's been sitting by listening to all of the
Speaker 5: happenings on the floor of the US House of Representative
Speaker 5: there in our Bloomberg News DC bureau. Laura, you do wonder, okay, ultimately,
Speaker 5: after listening to the Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries, followed by
Speaker 5: the House Speaker Mike Johnson, their agendas, their priorities, they
Speaker 5: certainly do not align. So you do wonder about the
Speaker 5: common ground that they will find moving forward.
Speaker 7: Yeah, these speeches are sort of the first day of
Speaker 7: school speeches. You know, everyone's back, you know they want
Speaker 7: re election back after the holidays and feeling optimistic and
Speaker 7: you know, joyful. A lot of those feelings subside, you know,
Speaker 7: really within just days or even hours. You know, Republicans
Speaker 7: have full control. They do not have to negotiate with
Speaker 7: Democrats for much of anything. They're able to use these
Speaker 7: processes where they can fast track bills through Congress. So
Speaker 7: it's unlikely that we're going to see much bipartisan cooperation
Speaker 7: despite some of both what Hakeen Jeffrey says as well
Speaker 7: as Mike Johnson sort of alluding to working together. Really,
Speaker 7: you know, Democrats job in this is to sort of
Speaker 7: do whatever they can do to delay and try to
Speaker 7: you know, sw division among Republicans. Mike Johnson's job is
Speaker 7: to keep his Republican party together. There are some divisions
Speaker 7: in that party, things that Democrats could exploit. He has
Speaker 7: a narrow, narrow majority, even narrower than he did last Congress.
Speaker 7: So this is gonna be the big challenge going forward.
Speaker 7: You also have you know, Republicans in the Senate and
Speaker 7: Republicans in the House not on the same page. In
Speaker 7: the Senate, we heard John Thune say earlier that he
Speaker 7: wants to move first with an immigration bill. In the House,
Speaker 7: that we are talking more about doing taxes first. So
Speaker 7: there's a lot of ideas and you know, only a
Speaker 7: limited sort of pathway to get some of these legislative
Speaker 7: priorities done.
Speaker 6: What does the president elect want Congress to do?
Speaker 7: This is a good question. He has not weighed in
Speaker 7: some of his aids have really pushed for immigration to
Speaker 7: be that first priority and really leaned on John Thune
Speaker 7: in the Senate to make that path forward. What we've
Speaker 7: heard from folks in the House is said, look, you know,
Speaker 7: every time we've tried to do multiple things, you know,
Speaker 7: they sort of in a moment of sort of shocking
Speaker 7: self recognition, we can't do that. You know, we saw
Speaker 7: in Trump's first term they tried to do with a
Speaker 7: healthcare bill that filled failed and they ultimately moved on
Speaker 7: to taxes. What Democrat or some Republicans are saying, look,
Speaker 7: let's get taxes done. We have a year end deadline.
Speaker 7: If we don't act, if we don't get a bill pass,
Speaker 7: then taxes will go up. We will see sort of
Speaker 7: Trump's first term signature, legislative achievement go away, So there's
Speaker 7: a hard push there to really make sure that taxes
Speaker 7: get the priority and they aren't waylaid by other things.
Speaker 7: You know, the Congress has been bedeviled by an immigration
Speaker 7: package for decades, so I think there's some concern that,
Speaker 7: you know that even though they have Republicans all in control,
Speaker 7: that that still is not an easy thing to get
Speaker 7: across the finish.
Speaker 5: Yep, we've all grown a little bit older watching that
Speaker 5: and waiting in terms of immigration. Laura, thank you so much,
Speaker 5: so appreciate your patience and listing along and giving us
Speaker 5: some great commentary there. Bloomberg News Politics editor Laura Davison.
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