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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, Tony and I are breaking down our recent

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Speaker 2: rut hunting adventures. Some highs, some lows, and a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of takeaways that can help you on your upcoming hunts.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: in which a portion of every sale of first Light

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Speaker 2: and the good work they're doing for deer and deer hunters.

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Speaker 2: And today on the episode, we are talking rut hunting stories,

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Speaker 2: rut hunting tactics, rut hunting tips, rut hunting survival ideas.

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Speaker 2: Tony and I have just come back from very interesting

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Speaker 2: hunts in which we, I think both of us experienced

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Speaker 2: the wild swings that the rut sends you, without a doubt,

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Speaker 2: the big highs, the big lows, the roller coasters of emotions.

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Speaker 2: We had it all, and so we're going to share

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Speaker 2: the story. We both have very significant stories to share.

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Speaker 2: Big things happen with both of us. They are dead

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Speaker 2: deer on the ground, they're deer still running, and there

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Speaker 2: are a whole bunch of things. I think that both

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Speaker 2: of us probably have learned from it, and I think

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Speaker 2: that we can share with you guys to make sure

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Speaker 2: that your upcoming hunts here for the next couple weeks

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Speaker 2: in November are better. So that all said, before we

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Speaker 2: get into the meat and potatoes of a tony. You

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Speaker 2: probably haven't heard yet, but we have a new rock

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Speaker 2: Christmas Carol this year. It's called Big White Tails. So uh,

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Speaker 2: Phil Triva, cue the music, Here we go.

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Speaker 3: I love those be algy bibe big white tails, those

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Speaker 3: sneaky run beagy bie big white tails. I love those

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Speaker 3: beachy big yeah ah shats e e tales. I love

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Speaker 3: those beachy big white.

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Speaker 4: Tails, big white tails, big white tails, Big white tales

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Speaker 4: are great.

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Speaker 5: Hold what fun it is to sit in the freezing

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Speaker 5: cold tree all day?

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Speaker 4: Big white tales, big white tails, big white tales are great?

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Speaker 5: Hold, what fun it is to sit in the freezing

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Speaker 5: cold tree all day, dashing through the woods for the

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Speaker 5: morning light turns great across the fields and draws creep

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Speaker 5: in all the way, climb into the tree. Big folks

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Speaker 5: are on the wave. What fun he is to sit

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Speaker 5: and wait for my gosh don deer all day? Oh big,

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry? What is this? Pitsocado strings? Who do you

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Speaker 5: think I am? And you get this out here? I

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Speaker 5: don't want to hear it. Thank you? Big white tails,

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Speaker 5: big white tails. Big white tails are great. Hold fun

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Speaker 5: it is to sit in the freezing cold tree all day.

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Speaker 5: I hope sand dreams are high the rut. He's finally here,

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Speaker 5: Mark said, it's the most wonderful time to kill o

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Speaker 5: whitetail deer bingch points and pettings. Where you'll find me? Hang,

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Speaker 5: it's twenty feet in a tree, grunt tubes, my bowl,

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Speaker 5: inspector Cambo. It's really camp nah or two ago. I

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Speaker 5: thought that this was fun, but now I'm frozen to

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Speaker 5: my seat and the good times they are gone. I've

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Speaker 5: ate up all my snacks, my hands and toes unnumb

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Speaker 5: and we're gonna climbed down from my stand. That son

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Speaker 3: Of those beg be white takes. Those you meg be

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Speaker 5: I love those be I g big up yall eight

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Speaker 5: shot gie etails. I love those big white tails all day.

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Speaker 2: All Right, that's pretty good, right, Tony?

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Speaker 6: Not bad? Man, not bad?

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Speaker 2: So that said, how are you feeling like you just

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Speaker 2: got back from your North Coata trip?

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Speaker 6: Right, I'm not even unpacked, buddy, everything's still in the

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Speaker 6: back of my truck just about. Yeah, just just got back.

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Speaker 6: I'm tired, but I'm feeling good. You know, I went

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Speaker 6: through I went through a lot of emotions in a

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Speaker 6: But man, this stuff, I know, it's so cliched, and

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Speaker 6: rut specifically, it's literally like that hour to hour all

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Speaker 6: you think it in your head like, oh, you have

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Speaker 2: Dude, you had an episode of Foundations out this week.

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Speaker 2: I think it was this week or last week, I

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Speaker 2: guess it was where you talked about just the added

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Speaker 2: chaos that the rut brings to shooting opportunities, right, And

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Speaker 2: I think that's just true, not just to shooting opportunities,

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Speaker 2: but decisions, to your emotional state of mind, to everything,

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Speaker 2: because everything's happening fast, everything's you know, there's all these

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Speaker 2: deer's finally daylight. There's all these things stacked on top,

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Speaker 2: not to mention you might be hunting a new place,

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Speaker 2: you know, doing all these different things. So it is

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Speaker 2: as its energy, tension, stress, excitement, everything packed to the brim.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the whole reason I wrote that episode and

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Speaker 6: it really hit home. I thought about it a lot

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Speaker 6: when I was in North Dakota on the first day

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Speaker 6: was how many people each out and are like, man,

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Speaker 6: I cannot get a big butt killed like I. You know,

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Speaker 6: I had three opportunities yesterday morning and I got busted

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Speaker 6: It's it's always a little bit of chaos or a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I think you and I both have very

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Speaker 2: uh perfect examples of this to talk about and so

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Speaker 2: get I mean, like, in the interest of time, let's

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Speaker 2: get into it. If you want to take maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: it has felt like full blown peak rut. Like I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing them doing everything they would do on November seventh,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was banging over by me. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that was just because that amazing cold

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Speaker 2: hunting I've had have been full blown peak crazy. What

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Speaker 2: have you seen?

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Speaker 6: Well? You know what I think is interesting about that.

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Speaker 6: I think that that's tied to being around a high

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Speaker 6: And you would be like maybe the pre ruts kicking in,

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Speaker 6: like maybe somebody's going. But there's like if you just

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Speaker 6: took my life in the last five six days, you

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Speaker 6: wouldn't be like, I wouldn't be like it is banging.

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Speaker 6: I'd be like, it's like creepy, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's just part of it is just

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Speaker 6: and he's he's like you, He's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 6: it is on like they are chasing I'm seeing good ones.

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Speaker 6: So I think I think that's partly tied to it.

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Speaker 2: But real quick, before you go in to further, I

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Speaker 2: think that's a really important thing for like people to

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Speaker 2: over the years, We've all seen it. The rut is

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Speaker 2: here but not there. It's now, but you know it's

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Speaker 2: it's yesterday in this spot, but it's today in this spot.

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Speaker 2: So so never assume that what's happening right now will

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Speaker 2: experience from property to property, or day to day, or

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Speaker 2: state to state. I mean, you know, our rough Fresh

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Speaker 2: radio episodes I think illustrate that very clearly. Every week too,

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Speaker 2: when you're hearing about what's happening in different parts of

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Speaker 2: last couple of years, lots of times like I'd be

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Speaker 2: having something awesome while you guys are sucking or whatever

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, that's that's an easy thing to say, and

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Speaker 6: I think it's hard for people to understand. I mean,

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Speaker 6: of fun. Like that's that's what makes the time pass by,

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Speaker 6: is just the expectation and the anticipation. But so often

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Speaker 6: when you're there in that spot or that area, it's

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Speaker 6: just it might be to moral, but it's not today.

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Speaker 6: And that's a hard thing, you know, And I think

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Speaker 6: you know, one of the things I noticed where I

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Speaker 6: was the sheer amount of trail cameras in where I

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Speaker 6: was hunting, because you know, it's public land. And I

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Speaker 6: was like, man, if you had one of those days

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Speaker 6: where it was happening there and then you had one

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Speaker 6: of those stretches where it wasn't happening for a couple

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Speaker 6: of days, that trail camera would only tell you that

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Speaker 6: you should have been there, do you know what I mean? So,

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people would look at their

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Speaker 6: you know, and they were all cell cameras, and they

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Speaker 6: would look at it and go, man, they're going today,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna get in there tomorrow. Well tomorrow might be

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Speaker 6: no bueno.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. So so walk me through, like

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Speaker 2: the most important points of this story. What how to happen?

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 2: I'm interested.

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Speaker 6: So I went to a place not way out in

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Speaker 6: flatter area of the state. And my goal was I

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Speaker 6: had a couple pinch points. One I hunted one time.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, dude, we had. We had to use an

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Speaker 2: So what's going through your mind after that happens? Like

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Speaker 6: Well? So what I didn't tell you? I should have

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: All that goes like, I mean, you can go, I

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Speaker 6: minutes on public land.

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00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what'd you do next?

432
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 6: So the next morning, same wind, cold, I mean it

433
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 6: was like twenty five mile per hour winds and we

434
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 6: were up on this ridge, and you know, in North

435
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 6: Dakota there's no tree, so it's like it's just whipping

436
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 6: across the prairie. But I'm like, we gotta go back,

437
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 6: you know, like we gotta go be in there, cause

438
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 6: I kind of thought that pinch Point would be even

439
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 6: better in the morning. So we go in there and

440
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 6: sit till eleven o'clock and freeze and see nothing. And

441
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 6: so then I was talking to Dylan. I'm like, we

442
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 6: we'd kind of thought about doing an all days sit,

443
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 6: but I was like, there's just no way we're gonna

444
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 6: be It's it was brutal. So I'm like, let's go

445
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 6: get down and go back to that oak tree. See

446
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 6: if we can find a set up to just go

447
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 6: grab the saddles and just do something or eat, like

448
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 6: sit on the ground whatever. And I could tell Dylan

449
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 6: was like, Uh, do you really think you should leave

450
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 6: this spot? Like we might we might be in Jurassic

451
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 6: Park here and you want to walk away. But we

452
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 6: get down hike over there, and it's halfway back, so

453
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 6: it's like a half a mile from the truck, half

454
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 6: a mile from where we were sitting just about. And

455
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 6: we get there and it's just it's just covered insigne

456
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 6: and we look at like every tree, like, could we

457
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 6: get in there, could we stand on that limb? Could

458
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 6: he film this way? Could I shoot from this direction?

459
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 6: Like and you only have a couple options, you know,

460
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 6: And we're just looking at it, and I'm going, we're

461
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 6: not We're not gonna be able to do it, Like

462
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 6: I just I don't see it happening to be able

463
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 6: to shoot to this specific tree. And so I'm looking

464
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 6: at the ground where that all that dog wooden stuff

465
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 6: is and I'm like, man, we could almost just tuck

466
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 6: in here. There was like kind of some dead fall

467
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 6: stuff and some brush and it was so windy that

468
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 6: all these little, uh kind of like poplar saplings just

469
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 6: blowing in the wind or these aspen saplings whatever they were,

470
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 6: and they all still had their leaves on because they're

471
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 6: low to the ground. And it was just movement everywhere

472
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 6: like kind of you know, sawgrass and just brushy stuff.

473
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 6: And I was like, if we tuck in here, maybe

474
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 6: like maybe a buck will come through or go grab

475
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 6: a bite acorns and not spot us. So we kind

476
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 6: of set up and drag a dead tree over their

477
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 6: little ways and whatever or you know, some dead brush

478
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 6: and sit down and he's just behind me, and I'm like,

479
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 6: look around them like there's no way, Like there's there's

480
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 6: no way. But it was it was, you know, it

481
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 6: was like kind of out of the wind. We were

482
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 6: a little buffered thirty five yards from the base of

483
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 6: that giant oak tree, you know, kind of some patches

484
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 6: of brush and one patch of trees where they could

485
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 6: just filter in, you know, and not get spotted. And

486
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 6: then on a neighboring property you could see this private property.

487
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 6: You could see on onex a giant slough and I

488
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 6: was like, man, it's that slew probably has doze bedded

489
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 6: all over in it. So I'm like, let's just ride

490
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 6: it out. And we're sitting there. It's like noon, you know,

491
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 6: so you can hunt till almost seven there, a quarter

492
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 6: to seven something like that. So we have like seven

493
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 6: hours of sitting on the ground where I'm like, we're

494
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 6: not going to have like a crew, like a one

495
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 6: o'clock cruiser coming through, Like this is just not that spot.

496
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 6: So we sit there all day, you know, like the

497
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 6: rest of the day, and it gets to like six

498
00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 6: twenty five and it's blizzard. The wind has blown even hard.

499
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 6: We haven't seen anything. And we had been talking and

500
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 6: I was like, there was one patch of big cottonwoods

501
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 6: that had some dogwood underneath. It kind of like a

502
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 6: three acre patch in the middle of this big grassland.

503
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 6: And I was like, there's like, why wouldn't there be

504
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 6: a buck bedded there that would just walk into here?

505
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 6: And He's like, yeah, I wouldn't be so awesome if

506
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 6: we looked up there and just like across the prairie,

507
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 6: here comes this buck. And like five minutes later, I

508
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 6: look up and here comes this buck, just like we

509
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 6: envisioned it. And I'm like, oh my god, there's one coming.

510
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 6: And that buck walked in and it was like he

511
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 6: was committing a suicide. He walked in like he could

512
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 6: have come in from any direction because it's pretty wide open,

513
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 6: you know. And he like takes a route right at

514
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 6: us and then takes a hard right and just goes

515
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 6: to thirty yards and puts his head down to feet

516
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 6: on acorns, never looked at us. So I dialed into

517
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 6: thirty and shot him right through the heart. He took off,

518
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 6: and it was like first year we saw being out

519
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 6: there all day and I'm like, we've seen three deer

520
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 6: and they've all been awesome bucks, just wild.

521
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: Wild man. That is uh, that's the rut it can be.

522
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: You're right, well, that was very much a rut type

523
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: classic on craziness dude.

524
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 6: And you know what so that, you know, there's two

525
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 6: lessons there, right, Like again I walked by the sign

526
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 6: that I shouldn't have walked by, and he was like,

527
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 6: he's like, I did not think we should have left

528
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 6: that other spot. Like he's like, I can't believe we

529
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 6: came back here to do this. But it was just,

530
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 6: you know, it was cold. Those deer were looking for calories,

531
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 6: you know. Like the two bucks that I shot at

532
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 6: were both they weren't rutting up. They were just zero

533
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 6: point A to B to get to this one tree

534
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 6: they knew about that had acorns under it, you know.

535
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 6: And as soon as that, so he was like, don't

536
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 6: walk by this, like, don't walk by this sign over

537
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 6: and over again. I keep running into that. And the

538
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 6: other thing was when when that buck ran off, he

539
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 6: ran off, jump the fence and died right in front

540
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 6: of us. Basically we were like, oh my god, I

541
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 6: cannot believe that just happened. After a day of not

542
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 6: seeing anything, and then I looked and I saw deer

543
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 6: legs coming from the backside of the tree through some

544
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 6: of this brush. I'm like, there's another one coming and

545
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 6: looking it's a dough And she walked in through the brush,

546
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 6: pegged us, and ran away like and so, you know,

547
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 6: people are always like, you know, like when we went

548
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 6: down in Oklahoma for that, when I hunted with Steve

549
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 6: and I killed those two little bucks and he killed

550
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 6: a buck, like, people will be like, how come you

551
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 6: guys didn't shoot some does? It's like we literally didn't

552
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 6: have a chance. Like sometimes, you know, we take it

553
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 6: for granted that, you know, these big bucks, like they're

554
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 6: so cagey and everything, but a lot of times they're

555
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 6: super confident, and it's the doze you have to worry

556
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 6: about busting you and blowing up your hunt. Like they

557
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 6: they're tolerance like pressure does They're tolerance is so freaking low.

558
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So he was kind of on a

559
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: pre rop pattern then, still like he was just like

560
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: coming to eat at a high traffic area, right, So.

561
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 6: I think, yes, I think both of the bucks I

562
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 6: shot at were just like I'm gonna go get some calories,

563
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 6: and I know I'm gonna be where dose are gonna

564
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 6: go by, Like when you see it, when you see

565
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 6: a fresh scrape line like that right now in a

566
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 6: place with that much food, like concentrated kind of seasonal food,

567
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 6: It's like the reason those scrapes are there is because

568
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 6: there's a ton of dose using it too. So I

569
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 6: think he was just like, I'm gonna go fill up

570
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 6: my belly a little bit, like he knew that dose

571
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 6: were gonna come to him too.

572
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: So if you were hunting that spot today when people

573
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: are listening to this November ninth, would you what would

574
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: you do on November ninth? Would you go to that

575
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: pinch point that you originally went to and just stick

576
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: with that original volume strategy, like sit that terrain funnel

577
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: and wait it out for days?

578
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I would. And I'll say this too about

579
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 6: that spot. This is real hard to describe, so I

580
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 6: don't want to bore everybody, but this is like a

581
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 6: ridge along a river that connects a bunch of cover,

582
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 6: but it gets real neck down there. So you have

583
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 6: a funnel where it's like if they want to stay

584
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 6: in the cover, they're staying somewhere in this little band

585
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 6: of river bottom cover.

586
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: How little are we talking like, what's the distance this

587
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: pinch is down to.

588
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 6: From from the wide open stuff At the widest point

589
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 6: to the river is one hundred and thirty seven yards,

590
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 6: so anyway, it might be anywhere from like seventy five

591
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 6: to one hundred and thirty seven yards. And it's a hillside,

592
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 6: so they could be on top, they could be on

593
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 6: the bottom, they could be on the side. But if

594
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 6: they don't want to show themselves, which they don't, they

595
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 6: stay in that band to cover somewhere. So then you think, okay,

596
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 6: well we have that situation which is a banging funnel.

597
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 6: But then you get to the point where that little drainage,

598
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 6: that little ravine's running down there, and now you have

599
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 6: a funnel with a pinch point in it where they're

600
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 6: either going to go above it or below it. So

601
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 6: you have like you have a good spot. Then you

602
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 6: have the spot on the spot. And it also just

603
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 6: happened to have those oak trees in there too, But

604
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 6: that was like a that was like a bonus thing.

605
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: Like so I would go there and was your wind

606
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: blowing out into the open stuff or out to the

607
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: river over the river? Okay, nice, so that's perfect.

608
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's a sweet setup. And apparently me and

609
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 6: every person in North Dakota knows about it because it

610
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 6: was covered in Hunter sign. We when we went back

611
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 6: and looked around, I was like, I just kind of

612
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 6: want to go see it and figure it out in

613
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 6: case I go back. I could not believe how many

614
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 6: tree stands and cameras and stuff were in there.

615
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: It was wild. Well, it's amazing there's still those all

616
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: those bucks in there.

617
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people set up some cameras

618
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 6: out there waiting to get real cruisers, and I think

619
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 6: that they were just like I mean, this week now,

620
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 6: they're probably all over out there. But the other thing too,

621
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 6: this was a really good lesson there is you have

622
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 6: that ridge top which is like the trail there's pounded

623
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 6: right and it's obvious, like you look at it on

624
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 6: a fence line. They're following the top of the woods

625
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: there above the river. Most of the the Hunter Sign

626
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 6: was concentrated there. Halfway down the hill, which is where

627
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 6: the Big eight came in that I messed up on,

628
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 6: is a pounded trail like a side hill trail, and

629
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 6: then on the bottom there's another trail and so it's

630
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 6: like if you if you were like I found this

631
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 6: amazing funnel. I'm gonna run this camera on here and

632
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 6: wait for them to be cruising. You might have most

633
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 6: of the bucks cruising forty yards below you, below that camera,

634
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 6: and you would never know it till you got in

635
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 6: there and watched.

636
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

637
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Don't do not fall prey

638
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: to cameras knowing everything. Yeah, that is so so so true. Hmm. Well,

639
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: congrats on the buck.

640
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 6: Man, thank you. Yeah, it was, it was. It was

641
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 6: cool man. I mean that area is there's not very

642
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 6: many deer there, like overall, but the quality, like I've

643
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 6: only seen I've hunted that air six days. I've seen

644
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 6: way more good bucks than dose. I've only seen two

645
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 6: doughs while I was hunting the whole time there.

646
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: That's weird.

647
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just I don't know. I don't know what

648
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 6: the deal. You know, if when you drive around the

649
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 6: private fields and stuff, there's there's enough deer there where

650
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 6: you see the dose out whatever, but for whatever reason,

651
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 6: that spot has just been good bucks mostly. I don't

652
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 6: even see scrappers in there.

653
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: Hmm.

654
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 6: Well, worked out, it did, it worked out. It left

655
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 6: me feeling pretty good, and it made me when you

656
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 6: were when you were texting our little group text about

657
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 6: what you're going to get into here, I was like,

658
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 6: I don't want to tell these guys what I just did. Like,

659
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm gonna let Mark just have this thing

660
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 6: right now because I know he's in a rough spot.

661
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So should I tell my story?

662
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 6: Yes? You should?

663
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: All right. So since you and I last talked here

664
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: on the podcast, when I had left you last, I

665
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: had hunted a few more times for my target bucket Michigan,

666
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: that buck the Wide nine, and i'd seen him, you know,

667
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: from while glassing a few times. And I've gotten more

668
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: than a few times, a good number of times I've

669
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: seen him glassing basically like every evening I can get

670
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: away for fifteen minutes or ten minutes, I'll glass this area.

671
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: And I think I've glassed him like maybe four times

672
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: in October or since September thirtieth, I think, in this

673
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: kind of little bedding region. And I've also gotten a

674
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: few more daylight trial camera pictures of him. So throughout

675
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: the month of October, I had kind of been circling

676
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: around the edges of this like core area. He ninety

677
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: four percent of like all my daylight sightings or pictures

678
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: of this deer have happened in like a ten acre

679
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 2: fifteen acre ish type of region, you know, like tight,

680
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: which is a betting area type thing. Yeah, and it's

681
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: like a it's grassy autumnolives and little bru she things

682
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So like from my hilltop where

683
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: I can glass, I can see down along this creek

684
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: into these different openings, so I can see like kind

685
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: of the center pivot right in the middle of it.

686
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: And so that's why I've been able to see him

687
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: so many times. And I've got a couple spots where

688
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: I hunt in there that also give you visibility in

689
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: there seat. So I've just been over the years been

690
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: able to you know, observe this deer doing this thing

691
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: in this betting year. That's like I said, like it's

692
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: you know, ten ish ach five. I don't know the

693
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: actual I think I did a circle the other day.

694
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: The actual like betting betting, the best of the betting

695
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: is about seven acres and then you know the surrounding

696
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: area around it that I have cameras or that I

697
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: can hunt, you know, maybe gives us like a fifteen

698
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: acres zone where I've kind of said, like since the

699
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, like it's gonna happen somewhere within

700
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 2: this like fifteen to twenty acres, and I've just kind

701
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: of worked the edges based on wind and some days,

702
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: like I know he does come out of that. Course,

703
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: I knew it was possible on the edges, but earlier

704
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: in October I wasn't going to bust into the middle

705
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: of it. But I did that and did not see

706
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: him other than the scouting days, and I could glass

707
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: into the middle of it. So then first third week

708
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: of October went up to the family deer camp to

709
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: try to help my dad get a deer up there.

710
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: That was that week in October. It was really hot everywhere,

711
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: or at least warm and rainy. We had like the

712
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: entire hunt five days. It was high sixties and torrential

713
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: rain almost the entire time. It was lousy and did

714
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: not see hardly anything moving. Unfortunate, but my plan is

715
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: I was going to get done with that, and then

716
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: there's this big cold front hitting back in southern Michigan.

717
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: So as soon as I got back from that hunt,

718
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: I was going to start hunting back locally after the

719
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: Wide nine and I would have three and a half

720
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: days before I had to leave for Nebraska, So I

721
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: was planning on at that point that hit it hard,

722
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: like get aggressive, get into that core area, get tight,

723
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: tight tight to where he's betting. You know, went between

724
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 2: where he's going to leave that betting and train position

725
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: out to you know, check does or head out to

726
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: the dough spots where he's gonna feed in the evening,

727
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: where the doughs will be feeding and he'll do a

728
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: little both. So that was my game plan going into it.

729
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: That coal front hit. It dropped, you know, twenty some

730
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: degrees here, and my first hunt was a morning hunt,

731
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: and so I was going to slip in and do

732
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: a hanging hunt, saddle hunt just on the downwind edge

733
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: of like his core bedding zone. Like if I had

734
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: to narrow down like that ten acre area down to

735
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: like the best three or four, that's where I was now.

736
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: And so it was like I was right on the

737
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: edge of this super thick downwind side and then there's

738
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: an old like cut like maybe a I don't know,

739
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: decades ago, maybe someone cut a pipeline there or an

740
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: old two track or something, but there's like a twenty

741
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: yard wide cut where there's no trees, it's just grass

742
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: that kind of separates this timber. And then there's the

743
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: cut and then there's like the thick, thick, thick, nasty

744
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: brushy stuff where they really bed. And I've historically seen

745
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: that when I'm hunting on this edge of it, you'll

746
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: yet a good number of deer will follow that track

747
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: because that's that path at least resistance. So I was

748
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: downwind and I was also on that perpendicular track, so

749
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: that was like kind of like a funnel on that

750
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: down one side was my hope. So that was the

751
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: thing I was hunting. My wind was gonna blow away

752
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: from that back into some open timber behind me where

753
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: there just isn't you know, compared to the rest of

754
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: the area, it's it's lower deer traffic. So got in there,

755
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: hung my sticks, got up there in the saddle, and

756
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: right away there was deer chasing. There was like three

757
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: little bucks on a dough running them around. Then I

758
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: look in the another direction, there's a little buck chasing

759
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: a dough. Look in the other direction there's a little

760
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: scrappers just kind of cruising. So it was like on

761
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: and this was the twenty ninth I think and I

762
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: don't know if it was maybe nine thirty nine forty

763
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: five something like that. I look to my north and

764
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: so this would be like on the other side of

765
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: the creek, on the north side of his bedding zone,

766
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: and there's a dough standing there on the edge of

767
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: this thick, thick stuff. And then you see like a

768
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: deer like shake a bigger body deer, and then pull

769
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: my bi notes and there he is. He's standing behind her,

770
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: just doing that thing that a big buck does to

771
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: get this little dough in front of him, and she's

772
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: like cowering, and he's just standing tall over top of her.

773
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: And then I see him this is probably one hundred

774
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: and eighty yards one hundred and fifty yards something like that,

775
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: because I can see up that cut across to the

776
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: creek and then on this other thick stuff on that side. Okay,

777
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: so he's like, I've got the really thick stuff to

778
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 2: my right where I couldn't see more than like twenty

779
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: thirty yards, but he's north of me, just on the

780
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: edge of the edge, so I see that. Then he

781
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: pins his ears back and I see him like start strutting,

782
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: and then I zuome my glasses over to the left

783
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: and there's another buck that was like staring at him.

784
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: So he goes and pushes that buck off, and then

785
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: he trots back and I see another buck come from

786
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: the right, and he goes pushes that deer off. So

787
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: right away, I'm like, okay, I know I've seen this

788
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: movie before. He's on this dough. Everyone's circling him, like

789
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: the sad lights are all circling around him, you know,

790
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: hoping to poke in there and get a shot at her.

791
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: But he's locked on this dough. So I watched that

792
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: for a while and then she squirts back into the

793
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: thick cover and they disappear. I stay there till midday,

794
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: watching hoping to catch him again, see him again, anything,

795
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: don't see anything else. I do see a few other

796
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: bucks that like come up to this thicket and stop

797
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: and like stare at it for a while and just

798
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: like linger and so everything's telling me like they're still

799
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: in there, right that's you just see this over and

800
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: over again. He's in this thick, thick thick. It's you know,

801
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: about two hundred yards away ish, maybe maybe a little less.

802
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: So I decided I got to pull down the set,

803
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: and I think the best thing I could do is

804
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: get as close as I possibly excuse me, get as

805
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: close as I possibly can to where they are, and

806
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: be right in that zone if I can, Because every

807
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: time I've seen a buck locked on a dough like this, like,

808
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: they're usually not going to move a whole lot like

809
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: once they're in their little spot, he's going to be

810
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: there all the way till that dough decides that she

811
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: wants to move on to feed, and then he's going

812
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: to be right with her, and they're probably going to

813
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: be there for twenty four hours or something like. I've

814
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: got to I've gotta the way I looked at it,

815
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: as I said, I have a unique piece of intel

816
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: right now that I have to move on, and I

817
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: know where there's a really strong chance he's going to

818
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: be for the next day or so. So I got

819
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: to be as tight as I can and hopefully take

820
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: advantage of a few things that I know about this area.

821
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: So Number one, get as tight as I could without spooking.

822
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: Number two, I had to make a judgment call on

823
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: where if this dough does want to push out to

824
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: feed tonight, what's the most likely way she'll go to transition?

825
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: So I can pick the right, you know, side of

826
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: that betting stuff that they might go out on. So

827
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: that was going to be to the west. Based on

828
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: where I've been seeing a lot of these deer head

829
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: out to feed. There was a standing cornfield a few

830
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: hundred yards away, probably three hundred yards to the west,

831
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: give or take. I figured that was the best guess

832
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: of where they might head. So it's pretty windy and

833
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: wet that more so I was able to tear my

834
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: set down and I went back to the truck to

835
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: grab some stuff. And then when I went back out

836
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: maybe an hour later, it died down. And now it's

837
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: like completely still, and it just the leaves had just

838
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: crisped up enough that now like everything feels loud. So

839
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: now I'm like paranoid, and I'm like, oh man, we

840
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: can't get to where I want to get. There's no

841
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: way we're gonna get there without blowing things up, YadA,

842
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: YadA YadA. So I'm all stressed out about it, but like,

843
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: you gotta get in there, And so I had to

844
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: kind of I readjusted where I thought I was going

845
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: to try to get to. I was originally thinking I

846
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: could sneak right up this line of trees and get

847
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: like forty yards off of where I saw them. I

848
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: thought I could like get really tight because it's so

849
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: thick where they're in, like as long as they weren't

850
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: right within like a yard or two of the edge,

851
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: I thought I could use this tree line to like

852
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: literally line up a line of trees and travel right

853
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: along that line of sight and then get up in

854
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 2: the back of a tree. But when the wind died

855
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: down and it crisped a little bit, I really I

856
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, there's no way that's going to happen.

857
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: I need to I need to figure out a different

858
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 2: way I can approach this but still be in that zone.

859
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: And so, to make a long story short, I decide

860
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: instead of getting right on the like on the button

861
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: where they were, I was going to get closer, but

862
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: more down towards where I thought they would transition, so

863
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: that way I would not have to get quite as

864
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: close but hopefully still be in the game. So I

865
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: ended up being able to get within about one hundred

866
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: yards of where I saw them and set up right

867
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: along the creek that I mentioned that they were on

868
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: the edge of. But there on the other side of

869
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: the creek in this thicket and I'm on the opposite

870
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: side about one hundred yards down towards that cornfield where

871
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: I was hoping they transition. This is also like I've

872
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: seen him, like this is that zone I can glass into.

873
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: So I've seen him right where I'm at, like a

874
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: thousand times over the years. I've seen him cross the

875
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: creek right here, Like there's a big crossing right there

876
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: where I'm lined up at. They transition along the creek

877
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: and then they bounce across the creek a bunch. So

878
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm right there where all this stuff happens,

879
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: and i know, like he's ninety nine percent sure he's

880
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: still going to be so or I'm within one hundred

881
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: yards and I get set up in that tree, and

882
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: within being like up there for five ten minutes, I

883
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: see two bucks set up of that same spot and

884
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: start lingering, you know, just that that zombie buck thing

885
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: where they're just staring in there together, and then they

886
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: start sparring, and then they start circling, and then another

887
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: buck comes in sniffing around. And so for the last

888
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: next like four hours, that's what was going on, just

889
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 2: like bucks circling around, bucks chasing little or little bucks

890
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: chasing dose, but they never popped out. Didn't see them,

891
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: so that was kind of disappointing. I thought for sure

892
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: I would see them. I thought, I can't guarantee they're

893
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: in a trend like they're gonna move down towards me,

894
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: but I gotta believe they're gonna come out of that

895
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: pocket somewhere. I can see them because I can see

896
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: all the way down this creek, and like there's grass

897
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: along the creek for like fifteen yards on either side,

898
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: maybe twenty yards, so it's like a forty yard cut

899
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: basically in the middle of this bedding air that I

900
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: can see. And I can see to the west side

901
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: of this thicket too, So I've got good even though

902
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: like for them, they feel incredibly incredibly safe because tall

903
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: grass and brush, but from twenty some feet up, I

904
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: can see down into all this stuff.

905
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 6: Like very well.

906
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: So I thought I was very confident that night that

907
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: i'd at least get something to work with. But didn't happen.

908
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: So the next morning that wind was going to shift

909
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: just a little bit. It was northwest that night, No,

910
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: it's northeast that night, and then that next morning is

911
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: gonna be northwest, And I thought with the northwest, it'll

912
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 2: be a little risky. It's gonna cut, like it's gonna

913
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: cut just beneath this bedding area. But I had to

914
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: be in there because I knew, like I thought he

915
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: should be in there. Again, he's probably still in that dough.

916
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: I gotta be in there, and I can make the

917
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: northwest wind work. So I get in there really early,

918
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: get I'll set up. Feels great, then starts raining again,

919
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: so it's rainy. Now it's windy and rainy and just

920
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: kind of bluck. But as those gusts pick up more

921
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: and more throughout the morning, that northwest wind all of

922
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: a sudden was like a west northwest wind, and I'm

923
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: throwing milkweed and it's not cutting the bottom of the

924
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: bedding area. It's like cut into the bedding aar. And

925
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, this is bad. And then I would

926
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: like throw another piece and then it cut beneath it,

927
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, okay, I can this will be okay,

928
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: this will be okay. And then another gus comes up

929
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: and I throw a milkweed and it blows it right

930
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: into the bedding air do west. I'm like, ah, no,

931
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: this is really really bad, and so for like fifteen

932
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: minutes I played that game where like a little bit

933
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: of my soul died every time, and I kept I

934
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: threw so many pieces of milk weed, just hoping and

935
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: praying that one of these times it would just consistently

936
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: start going northwest. And it never did. It just got

937
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: worse and worse and worse and worse, to the point

938
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: where there's like fifteen to twenty miles on our winds

939
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: and they're blowing like right at the best stuff. And

940
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: the whole time, I'm thinking, like I gotta go. I

941
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: have to go, Like this is a disaster. We hadn't

942
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: seen a deer the whole morning, and I'm wondering, like

943
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: how many deer have winded me? How many deer have

944
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: gone into that thing? You know, this is disastrous. You

945
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: know you can't be here. You have to get out

946
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: of here. But at the same time, not only do

947
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: I need to get out of this tree and get

948
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: a saddle and sticks out of the tree, but I've

949
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: got a camera guy in the tree with all his stuff,

950
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: and it takes in like a half hour to get

951
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: unpacked and packed up right, you know, So I just

952
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: know that this is going to be a debacle, like

953
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: every time you get in and out of a tree

954
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: with two guys, it is so so so messy and

955
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: takes so long. So I was debating all this in

956
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: my head and trying to weigh like the risks of

957
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: the rewards of doing this, and I finally decided, like,

958
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: you have to go, and if you're ever gonna go,

959
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: you gotta go right now because there's no deer around,

960
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: it's rainy and windy. Cut your losses now, scoot and relocate,

961
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: get around the other side of this bedding year get

962
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: on the place where now it's like the right place

963
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: to be, and don't f this up anymore. So I

964
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: make that decision. I tell my camera, go, hey, we

965
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: got to do this. You know this sucks, but I

966
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: just think we have to do it. Otherwise I'm blowing

967
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: this best. I'm blowing the entire place that I'm trying

968
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: to hunt for half a day or whatever it's going

969
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: to be. You just can't do that. So we start

970
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: packing up, and I wait and I wait and I wait,

971
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, waiting for him to get all of his

972
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: stuff put away, and I'm I usually don't put away

973
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: my bow or anything until, you know, he's mostly done,

974
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: and then once he's mostly done, then I can get

975
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: my stuff packed up, and then he climbs out of

976
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: the tree and then I come out of the tree

977
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: and take this the platform and sticks down with me.

978
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 6: Yep.

979
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: So I'm stressing though, like we have to get out

980
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: of here fast because anytime no deer are going to

981
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: show up. Anything we can do to get this thing

982
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: moving along will be better. So he's almost done, I'm realizing, Okay,

983
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: I gotta get I gotta get my stuff out of here.

984
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: So I start packing things away and put my quiver

985
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 2: on the bow and unknock my arrow, put the arrow

986
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: in the quiver, and I tie on my bow rope

987
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: and I'm just about and you know, all throughout this,

988
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm like looking around. Then I'm working them, looking around

989
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: and working, and the whole time I'm thinking, like, this

990
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: is going to be so disastrous if the Y nine

991
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: shows up while we're doing this. I'm so worried he's

992
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: going to show up while I'm doing this. So I

993
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: do a little look around, panic, Do a little look around, panic,

994
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: But I don't see anything, and it's rainy and windy.

995
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: I start to lower my bowt like I lean it

996
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: over the side. I'm about to start lowering, and I

997
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: turn a look over my shoulder one last time, and

998
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: there's a deer twenty yards away over my back, left shoulder,

999
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: and I realized, oh, there's a deer. And then the

1000
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: next thing, I realizes, oh, that's a big buck. And

1001
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: then the next thing I realized, oh shit, it's the

1002
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 2: why nine right there, twenty yards walking into my shooting line. Perfect.

1003
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: So I'm like, Charlie, Charlie, why nine? Why note? Why nine?

1004
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: Like trying to get my camera gus attention. I get

1005
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: my bow back up. He's just slowly walking. I mean,

1006
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how amazing tony this would have

1007
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: been if we had waited ten more minutes. I'm able

1008
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: to get my bow up, I'm able to get an

1009
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: arrow knocked. He's still just nicely dopedy doing along. He's

1010
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: in my shooting line. I get an arrow knocked, I

1011
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: clip on. I look up at Charlie. Charlie is still

1012
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: packing his gear. He'd never heard me any of these

1013
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: times when I'm telling him, so look at him again,

1014
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 2: like Charlie, why nine right here, right here, right here?

1015
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 2: And he looks at me and then he sees my

1016
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: like complete panic stricken face, and he's like, oh my god.

1017
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 2: So I'm like, get a camera, get a camera. So

1018
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: now he's trying to get a camera out of his backpack,

1019
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: and I'm about to draw back on him because im

1020
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: I have him thinking, I'm s shooting this deer. I

1021
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: don't care if he's on him or what. I'm shooting

1022
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: this deer. And then I remember my toe rope is

1023
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: tied through the cam still, So now I'm like, I can't.

1024
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: I can't shoot this with a toe rope on there.

1025
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: So I get my bowl like in my knees and

1026
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: I start trying to unravel a thing around the cam.

1027
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: And by the time I'm able to get the rope

1028
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: off the cam, he had crossed my shooting lane and

1029
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: got like to the edge of where my wind had

1030
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: been gusting up into and he got wiggy. He stopped,

1031
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: he freezes, he's like nose up, he's looking around. He's

1032
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: like something's not right. He didn't completely freak, but he's

1033
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: like this doesn't feel right. He turned and bounced back

1034
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: like ten yards back across my lane. Stops and then

1035
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 2: like takes like a ten yards straight away a walk

1036
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: and then he stopped and he's fifty two yards, and Charlie,

1037
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: at this point, it's like, I'm on my mom. I'm like,

1038
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: it's fifty two I'm not shooting him there, and and

1039
00:50:50,600 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 2: then he just trotted off, and so I'm devastated, you know, like, yep,

1040
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: you only get you don't get a whole lot of opportunities,

1041
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: especially when you're after only one deer. Like there's one

1042
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: deer I'm trying to kill and I just had him

1043
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: at twenty yards in my shooting lane and somehow was

1044
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: not able to get an arrow off, you know, nightmare,

1045
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: nightmare scenario. That is just such bad timing, Like how

1046
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: unlucky can you get?

1047
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: Right?

1048
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 6: Such bad timing. So but at least it got better, right.

1049
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: Sure, So I tell myself like that all happens, and

1050
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: I tell myself like I'm mad, like I'm frustrated, but

1051
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: I say, hey, it's not the worst case scenario, Like, hey,

1052
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: you didn't get a shot, but at least you didn't miss,

1053
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: and at least you didn't wound him, so it could

1054
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: be worse. So it's okay. You know he's still in

1055
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: the area. You know he's not going to leave his

1056
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: core core core, Like he's probably not gonna walk by

1057
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: this tree today, but he's gonna be in the zone still.

1058
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: He's thinking about does he's back on the move. He's cruising,

1059
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: so he's not with his dough now, so he's on

1060
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: his feet. You're still in the game. So I decided,

1061
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: like I'm going to finished yank in the set and

1062
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to go make the move I wanted to make.

1063
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to reposition and get on the other side.

1064
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: So I do that. I get I do a big

1065
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: wide half moon circle. I go way south way, yeah,

1066
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: so be way. I go west south and get all

1067
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: the way up on the other side of the property,

1068
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: to the opposite side of this betting air. So that

1069
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: wind was supposed to be northwest but instead of his west.

1070
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: So that meant I had to get to the east

1071
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: side of this core zone of this betting of this

1072
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: like you know, seven to ten acre area. Get over there.

1073
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: And this is an area that I have not hunted

1074
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: a lot in, but I've hunted around it, and I

1075
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: know there's like three There's the main betting air that

1076
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: I've been talking about, and then there's like two smaller

1077
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: betting airs further to the south, and I've seen the

1078
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: past bucks will cruise this line when you've got a

1079
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: westerly the cruise from the big big betting are that

1080
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm on down to these two micro betting airs to

1081
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: the south. And there's also basically a travel transition route

1082
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: from that big big ed area down to another section

1083
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: of this corn, another area of standing corn, plus a

1084
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: little food plot I have in between them. So I thought,

1085
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: all right, if I get set up kind of at

1086
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: this far eastern edge of that big betting area, but

1087
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: just south, there's like a tip of it that extends out,

1088
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 2: so I could be south and east of the main bedding,

1089
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: so I could catch deer cruising the downwind side of

1090
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: the bedding, but also catch if there's a transition heading

1091
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: from the bedding heading south to the corn, I could

1092
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: catch that bed to feed transition. To get set up.

1093
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: Had a heck of a time trying to find any

1094
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: kind of tree with any kind of cover. It was

1095
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 2: like all bean pole trees, you know, one of those

1096
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: where you know where you want to be, but no

1097
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: tree will work well for it unless you like. So

1098
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: if I go to a good tree, I'm gonna be

1099
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: right in the middle of where the travel will be

1100
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: I'll get winded if I go to where it's safe

1101
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: from a wind perspective. I'm in a tree with zero cover,

1102
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: so I spend like I don't know how long, standing

1103
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: around like and then I go to a tree. I'm like,

1104
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: maybe we make this work. And then you can't get

1105
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: your straps around because it's way too big. And ended

1106
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 2: up having a dough walk in with two little bucks

1107
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: following here, and I just lay on the ground for

1108
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: twenty minutes waiting for them to go away. So just

1109
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: everything was like just felt like a disastrous day with

1110
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: everything that happened. We get set up in the tree.

1111
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: Finally I find a tree that about twenty feet up

1112
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: something like that. There's a big fork in the tree,

1113
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: so there's there's a big y so there's no big

1114
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: branches on the tree, but I've got a big fork,

1115
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: and I thought, hey, we could get up in that

1116
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: fork and tuck in between the two forks of it.

1117
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: It's a pretty big tree, and I thought, that's that's

1118
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: the best we can do. I think, so get set up,

1119
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: and you know, the buck parade continues like lots of

1120
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: year and a half old's just cruising around anytime there's

1121
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: a dough, there's a buck like nosing there, bumping around

1122
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: doing that kind of stuff. And to make what's been

1123
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: a very long winding story a little bit quicker here tony.

1124
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 2: After all that kind of stuff going on, the last

1125
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: like forty five minutes or half hour of daylight, I

1126
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: see a big bodied deer step out of the southern

1127
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: edge of that betting area and start kind of cutting

1128
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 2: through the timber towards one of those micro betting areas.

1129
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Pull my bid knows it's him. He's on his feet,

1130
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: and he's heading from north to south. He's out of

1131
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: range and heading towards that next little betting pocket south

1132
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: of me. I try grunt, can't get his attention. I

1133
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 2: try snort wieze. It stops him. He looks in my

1134
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: direction and then keeps going the way he was headed.

1135
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: I let him get right to the edge of that

1136
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: betting pocket. He's now maybe one hundred ish yards, and

1137
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: I give him one more really hard snort wheeze, and

1138
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: that stops him. He looks at me, stares for like

1139
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, and then starts coming in, stops, makes a

1140
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: big old scrape, and then starts hooking downwind, so instead

1141
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 2: of heading straight at me, he does the down wind circle,

1142
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: so he's he makes that scrape of like forty five

1143
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: yards and then starts cutting. And I had ranged a

1144
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: down tree in front of that scrape earlier in the day,

1145
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: so I knew that that was about forty. So as

1146
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: he starts, he starts walking through that lane I have

1147
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: at forty. I murp him to try to get him

1148
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: to stop. He doesn't hear it. He keeps walking. So

1149
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: he's getting closer and closer and closer to my down

1150
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 2: wind side, staying at about that forty yard wide area,

1151
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: but behind trees. Now there's one more gap that he's

1152
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: going to get to that I see that should be

1153
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: right around forty. I'm able to range it and check

1154
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: it's about I think I got like thirty nine on

1155
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: one side of this log and like forty one on

1156
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: the other side. So I said, if he comes right

1157
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: through there, it's gonna own. I'm gonna use my forty

1158
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: yard pin and my wind is gonna be blowing like

1159
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: just a little ahead of that. So if he makes

1160
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: his past this gap, I'm in trouble. So this is

1161
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: also on my off shoulder with my saddle set up

1162
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: so as he's making this hook. So for people to understand,

1163
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: like in a saddle, you can shoot very well in

1164
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: front of you. You can shoot very well to your left.

1165
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: If you're right handed, you can shoot very well at

1166
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 2: right behind you. The one place that is a little

1167
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 2: bit more difficult to shoot is to your right side.

1168
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 2: So the way to get that shot to your right side,

1169
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: which is like your off side, would be to stand

1170
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: up on your platform and spin and have your bridge

1171
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: go over your right shoulder. And then now you're standing

1172
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: up as if you're on a tree stand and that

1173
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: bridge or sorry not your bridge, but your your tether

1174
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: is over your right shoulder holding you to the tree,

1175
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: and you're standing up right like like I said, tight

1176
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: to the tree, like you're in a tree stand with

1177
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: a rope holding you tight to that. So I'm able

1178
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: to make that maneuver. As he's walking through and doing

1179
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: that fork or doing that hook, I get all that done.

1180
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: I get ready. He steps into that lane step step

1181
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: step and stops. I mean perfect. As I'm drawing back,

1182
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,959
Speaker 2: I was thinking about trying to murp him again because

1183
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: he was going to walk through that, but he stopped,

1184
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 2: and my cameraman's like on him, and I released that arrow,

1185
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 2: and immediately when I hit all I could see was

1186
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: like he has moved a bunch and there's a bunch

1187
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: of arrow sticking out. When when he's spun and ran

1188
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: off and he goes running out of there like a

1189
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: bat of hell, maybe one hundred yards away or something,

1190
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: he stops for a second. I thought, like, man, is

1191
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: he about to tip over? And then he bolts off again.

1192
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to think. My first thought was

1193
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: shoulder based on the fact I can see this arrow

1194
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: like it looks like all my arrow is hanging out

1195
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: and like flopping, and so first thought was, holy crap,

1196
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 2: I his shoulder shot him. But I don't know. Maybe

1197
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: I poked it in there, maybe it slit underneath the

1198
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: shoulder blade. I don't know. But to save folks from

1199
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: more sob stories, we waited until I got some buddies

1200
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: that came out to help me because I can't see

1201
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: bad blood trails with my red green issues. So I

1202
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 2: had the whole cavalry come out with hopes that maybe

1203
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, I had got in there, Like we watched

1204
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: the footage a thousand times and it doesn't sound like

1205
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: a really loud crack. So I started trying to convince myself, well,

1206
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: maybe I didn't get the shoulder, despite the fact that

1207
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: it looks like there's no penetration, that maybe I got

1208
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: in there. But we got on the blood trail. There

1209
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: was blood and it was consistent, but it was like

1210
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: a drop here, a drop there, then like a smear

1211
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: and then a drop here, drop there. We tracked it

1212
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: for three quarters of a mile and he basically just walked.

1213
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: It looked like, you know, he ran off, and then

1214
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: he got into this cornfield and he walked for like

1215
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: half a mile down this cornfield and then hooked and

1216
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: made like a jay hook back into his bedding area,

1217
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: and we were basically on I don't even know how

1218
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: my buddy's well, my one front has a dog, so

1219
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: it always brings his dog with The dog got us

1220
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: through sections where there was no blood for fifty or

1221
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: seventy yards, and the dog would gets across that and

1222
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: then he'd find like a pin prick, and then we

1223
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: would go for twenty or forty more yards and then

1224
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: like a pin prick and I couldn't see any of

1225
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: the stuff. So if it weren't for my friend, I

1226
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to do half of this, but

1227
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: we covered about three quarters of a mile, cover a

1228
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. We were tracking until like, I don't know,

1229
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: two something in the morning, and you know, dried up,

1230
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: no more blood. And at that point, I think all

1231
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: of us for a long time knew what had happened.

1232
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: But you know, the way I saw it going was like,

1233
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: either this deer either I poked it in there, and

1234
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: that deer is dead fast, Like there's a bunch of

1235
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: blood and he's dead fast, because if I got in there,

1236
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: it would have been like a heart shot or the

1237
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: front of the lungs. It's either that or I did,

1238
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: in fact hit the shoulder and this is just a

1239
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: meat hit and he's gonna dribble blood for a long time,

1240
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: but he's going to live and we're never going to

1241
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: find him. And so after we didn't find him dead

1242
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: within the first couple of hundred yards and we never

1243
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: got like that screaming blood trail, I kind of knew it,

1244
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: but we're like, hey, we have to keep following as

1245
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: far as we can and keep looking. And you know,

1246
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: we walked all around where we couldn't find blood, circling

1247
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: out and bring the dog all over the place, just

1248
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: trying to hopefully smell something or pick up on any thing.

1249
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: But no more blood, no deer, no recovery. And that

1250
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: is where things stand out.

1251
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 6: Have you got a picture of him since.

1252
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: Not yet, It's been dead, Like my cameras are completely dead.

1253
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's because there was seven guys walking

1254
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: all over the core betting area for like eight hours.

1255
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: So I think I think every deer in this zone

1256
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: has known now to vacate the premise for a while.

1257
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: So I'm hopeful that eventually the deer will return and

1258
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: he'll be one.

1259
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 6: Of them, you know. I mean everybody's when that happens,

1260
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 6: everybody's like, oh, he I'm sure he lived. But honestly,

1261
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 6: seeing that video, I was like, you're chasing a deer

1262
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 6: that's healthy, Like it didn't didn't look like that arrow

1263
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 6: got in there at all, like I would. I would

1264
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 6: be very surprised if you don't start picking that deer

1265
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 6: up again eventually, unless he wanders off and gets shot

1266
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 6: by somebody else.

1267
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, man, it was, without a question, the worst

1268
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: day of my hunting life. Like I've never had a

1269
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: day like that where first I blow an opportunity. I

1270
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: have my target buck at twenty yards and can't shoot him.

1271
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: And then I say, well, at least the worst case

1272
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: scenario didn't happen, at least didn't wound him. And then

1273
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: that night get another opportunity shoot him and.

1274
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 6: Wound him. Do you what do you what do you

1275
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 6: feel like happened on the shot?

1276
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: Man? If you look at the just like your situation,

1277
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: that deer dropped so so so far, he dropped and

1278
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: spun and so if he had stayed where he was

1279
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: when you look at the video, it would have been

1280
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: a hard shot. It would have been like right at

1281
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: the like it was on the forward side of it,

1282
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: but it would have been beneath the bone, beneath that

1283
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: big bone plate and when it got you know how

1284
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: you know how it looks how there's like a j

1285
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: or like a big curve in right yep. So it

1286
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: would have just ten ringed him right through that spot

1287
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: if he had not dropped, you know, a big big chunk.

1288
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: So could I have, like I always like my I

1289
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: still don't ever wait quite long enough, like would I

1290
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: give myself an a plus on the shot?

1291
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 5: No?

1292
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: But I was still like it was a good shot.

1293
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: It would have killed him. Great if that hadn't happened.

1294
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: So I the big thing I took away from it

1295
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: is two things, Tony. The last five deer I have

1296
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: shot at with a bow, four out of the five

1297
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: have jumped the string in a really significant way. I've

1298
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: hit high on four of the last five deer, all

1299
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: because they jumped the string in a big way. So

1300
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: in two of those, the last two deer have been

1301
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: forty yard shots. So I know lots of people shoot

1302
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: deer at long ranges, and forty yards isn't that long,

1303
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: but I think I feel kind of done with forty

1304
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: yard shots for a while. Like I'm just not dudetty

1305
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: about this at all.

1306
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 6: Forty yards were I was talking about this with Dylan

1307
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 6: on the drive back. I'm like, forty yards is a

1308
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 6: poke on a white tail and they are just different.

1309
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 6: You know, you go meal deer hunting and you get

1310
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 6: a forty yard shot, You're like, there's a gift in

1311
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 6: the white tail woods. You're like, like, you know, it's

1312
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 6: and it's different too. You know, if they're in the

1313
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 6: beans and it's opening night and they are just nibbling

1314
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 6: away and they haven't been hunted and it's like truly relaxed,

1315
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 6: like different thing. But when they're keyed up during it's

1316
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 6: just that's a long shot, man, Like a lot can

1317
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 6: go wrong. And you know, I saw that video of

1318
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 6: how much that buck moved and I said the same thing.

1319
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 6: I'm like, this buck did just what my my first

1320
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 6: one did. I mean, you can you know, that's one

1321
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 6: of the crazy things about filming is you can sit

1322
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 6: there and mark where their back line is. Yeah, when

1323
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 6: you shoot and then watch how much they drop and

1324
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 6: it is crazy even you know, we did this when

1325
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 6: when my daughter shot that little spike with her crossbow

1326
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 6: in September, that dear at twenty yards out of a

1327
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 6: crossbow that's smoking fast. That deer still dropped like five

1328
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 6: inches at the shot. And that's a tiny spike close,

1329
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 6: So you think about, you know, double that distance on

1330
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 6: a deer that's you know, been around and done that.

1331
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 6: Like they can get out of the way, man.

1332
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know, like I always aim like lower

1333
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: third is I'm usually aiming for a hard shot, is

1334
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: what I'm aiming for. And so I've always done that

1335
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: thinking like, well if they if they jumped the string,

1336
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: I'll still get in there. And you know that happened

1337
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: with the bucket killed in Nebraska last year. Is like,

1338
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: so I was aiming lower third, he jumped the string

1339
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: and I hit high, like top of the both lungs.

1340
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: So that worked out in that case. But in this case,

1341
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, it was four just enough so that when

1342
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: I went high, you know, it wasn't high into the

1343
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: back of the lungs. It was high into the back

1344
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: of the shoulder. Yeah, and and so yeah, like, I

1345
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I feel like it might be thirty

1346
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: thirty five yards max for me for a while. After

1347
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: these couple of situations, I just I do I hate

1348
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: I hate, hate, hate, hate hate this. Man, there's some

1349
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: people I know who like they miss a deer like, well,

1350
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: you know what happens early, they hit a deer and

1351
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: don't find it. Like, ah, you know whatever, I don't

1352
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: get that at all, Like I don't, I do not

1353
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: get that at all. I can't. I can't swallow it.

1354
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: And I would much rather watch a deer walk than

1355
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 2: have this. So I think I don't think I'm taking

1356
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: a forty yard shot for a while. Yeah, I'm also sorry.

1357
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: I was also gonna say I need to figure out

1358
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: what else I can do to maximize the sound reduction

1359
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: of whatever archery setup I have, Like, I need quiet,

1360
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: I need quiet, quiet, quiet, and and something's not quiet

1361
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 2: enough about what I'm doing right now.

1362
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 6: So do you do you know what the total weight

1363
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 6: of your arrows is?

1364
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: I can't. I'll say it wrong if I try to

1365
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: guess it right now, I can't remember the top of

1366
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: my head. And I know, like Yanni already told them

1367
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: when it comes to like Yan's like, ah, you gotta

1368
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 2: might want to reconsider your arrow setup or hitting shoulder blades.

1369
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: And and I'm not on that track yet.

1370
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 6: Well, what I was going to say is, you know,

1371
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 6: the heavy one of the real benefits of heavier airs

1372
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 6: is quiet your whole thing down, you know. And yeah,

1373
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 6: I mean, okay, you might hit a shoulder and get

1374
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 6: through it whatever. That's not why I would. I'm just

1375
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 6: curious because if you shoot, there's there can be a

1376
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 6: noticeable difference if you're you know, you have somebody who's

1377
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 6: shooting like a four hundred grain pretty light set up

1378
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 6: out of you know, sixty five seventy pounds versus somebody

1379
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 6: who has like a five twenty or you know, like

1380
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 6: a little bit heavier. I mean, it's it's one way

1381
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 6: to you know, tone down the vibration a little bit

1382
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 6: on your bow, but then you've got bigger pin gaps

1383
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 6: and it changes things a little bit, you know, it

1384
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 6: slows it down.

1385
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I think in the off

1386
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: season I'm going to go back to the drawing board

1387
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: and uh, change some things up, because four out of

1388
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: five is not a coincidence anymore. Yeah, And those were

1389
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: two forty yard shots and a thirty yard shot, and

1390
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm blanking on what other deal I'm thinking of here,

1391
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: and there's a twenty five yard shot. I don't know.

1392
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: What I'm getting is that they weren't all long shots

1393
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: like I've had string jumpers at thirty two. So I'm

1394
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: gonna mess with my archery set up a little bit more,

1395
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: not right now, obviously. For right now, I'm just gonna

1396
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna shoot super far. So I'm leaving for

1397
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: Nebraska here in like an hour, and I'm just gonna

1398
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 2: get them close. Yeah, we're not shoot at all.

1399
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, that's that's one of those things like

1400
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 6: twenty yard shots are just dreamy like that's just it's

1401
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 6: just such a nice range and once you just push

1402
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 6: it out. I mean, it's just everything changes and it

1403
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 6: doesn't seem like it should be that big of a difference.

1404
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 6: But man, you start getting to thirty to forty yard range,

1405
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 6: like thirty. To me, thirty to forty is like a

1406
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 6: world of difference. You know, forties out there. Man.

1407
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, like thirty thirty and in feels like it.

1408
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean I shouldn't say this. I won't say it

1409
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: because they'll jinx myself, but but I agree, Like you know,

1410
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: a thirty yard shot feels like I don't know, throwing

1411
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: a dart the wall from five yards away or whatever.

1412
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: Compared to that longer range, just more stuff happens. So yeah,

1413
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: I've been in a real low point for the last

1414
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: day and a half, very bummed about it, very disappointed.

1415
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it is what it is.

1416
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 2: It's hunting. This happens. Keep on keeping on trying to

1417
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 2: figure it out. And I feel very confident, like you said, like,

1418
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: I feel very confident he should be back, he should

1419
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 2: be around. I don't think the hunt's done.

1420
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 6: I don't see that that dude dying from that.

1421
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe get a little redemption to Nebraska and

1422
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: then come home after that and pick it back up.

1423
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: But I think my big takeaways as far as like

1424
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: things other people could take from this is number one,

1425
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: be careful about your shot distances. I think hunting TV.

1426
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: I know we sometimes knock on Hunting TV a lot,

1427
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: and we are hunting TV too, so it's a little

1428
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: bit the kettle calling the pot black. But I would

1429
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: say we're a little different than the usual. There's a

1430
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: lot of stuff out there that make long range shots

1431
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: seem easy. There's a lot of people that talk about

1432
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: long range shots and it's become norm and I actually

1433
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: feel I am guilty of this. I feel like, oh my,

1434
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: like you won't shoot past forty yards. I feel a

1435
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 2: little bit like people maybe think it's crazy that I

1436
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: have a max range of forty. So many people shoot

1437
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: to fifty or sixty now for white tails, and like

1438
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: so many guys shoot to seventy to eighty out west,

1439
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: one hundred yards out west, all this kind of stuff,

1440
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 2: And so I was like, I'm still holding it forty.

1441
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 2: I don't care what other people do, and now I'm

1442
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 2: going to make it even shorter. But do not be

1443
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: convinced because you see a few people on TV taking

1444
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: these long shots to think that you should be doing

1445
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: that too. It's so much better to let a deer

1446
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: walk than have to deal with what I.

1447
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 6: Just dealt with.

1448
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not worth it well, and especially during the run.

1449
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 6: And one of the things about it too is it's

1450
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 6: just if there's like if you're pushing it some way,

1451
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 6: whether it's distance or get a shot off quick or something,

1452
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 6: if there's like a little bit of rush to it,

1453
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 6: a little bit of panic to it, the odds of

1454
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 6: it breaking bad for you are just they like orders

1455
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 6: of magnitude worse. So you just got to think that, like, oh,

1456
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 6: if I'm gonna oh now he didn't take this trail,

1457
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 6: he's gonna be forty, and it's like I got one window,

1458
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 6: I better make it happen. That is a recipe for

1459
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,839
Speaker 6: a screw up almost always. You know it's different at closer,

1460
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 6: like you can still like it's different, but when you

1461
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 6: start pushing that range and things like that happen, it's

1462
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 6: so easy to screw up.

1463
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to your point in that episode I was

1464
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: talking about earlier, like in the rut, those things that

1465
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: you just mentioned are almost the case all the time,

1466
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: all the time, Like during this time period you almost

1467
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 2: never get that calm, cool deer's feeding in the food

1468
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: plot or in the beans kind of shot. Like almost

1469
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: all the time. Everything's more stressful, everything's faster, everything's so

1470
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: So if ever there's a time to shrink your shooting range,

1471
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: now is the time to do it. This is not

1472
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: the time to stretch it out because you really want

1473
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 2: to kill that deer. But that's probably what a lot

1474
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: of people do, right is they feel like this pressure like, oh,

1475
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: I mean there is a forty five this is gonna

1476
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 2: be my only chance. I better take it. Ah, shit,

1477
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: there goes Yeah, don't do that.

1478
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 5: Don't do that.

1479
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish I could take my forty yard

1480
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: shot back, or I wish I could have I don't

1481
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 2: know what. I wish this whole thing had not happened

1482
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: the way it did, but it did. So learn from

1483
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 2: my situation.

1484
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 6: Yeah and yeah, and I mean one thing that happens

1485
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 6: there too. The two things you do see that on

1486
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 6: hunting shows a lot. But I also know that there's

1487
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 6: a lot of self censoring out there. There's a lot

1488
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 6: of stuff that gets left on the editing floor.

1489
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: They don't show it.

1490
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, so take that with a grain of salt. Right,

1491
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 6: like there's you're seeing a highlight reel, You're going to

1492
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 6: see the heart shot and not the leg hit. You know.

1493
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 6: The other thing is like it's so easy to panic

1494
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 6: when you finally have that encounter. But if you if

1495
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 6: you're kind of getting your act together and you're you're

1496
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 6: like in the game that way, it's you'll have more chances,

1497
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 6: like you can you can let it like like what

1498
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 6: happened with you, You get busted by a buck. He

1499
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 6: wins you your target buck and he's right by his

1500
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 6: betting area. So often you would look at that as

1501
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 6: like this is over for now, and you go scoot

1502
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 6: on to the other side. And he didn't, you know,

1503
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 6: go nuts and get out of there. He wasn't living

1504
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 6: somewhere else. He just walked away and started doing his

1505
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 6: thing again. Like you can. You don't need to always

1506
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 6: force something to happen, because when you get into that realm,

1507
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 6: like it's just a recipe for failure.

1508
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, And that's my That was my next

1509
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: big takeaway was that exact point, which is just that

1510
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, when shit hits the fan, it's not all done.

1511
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: You know, pivot make an adjustment, Like if if there's

1512
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: any silver lining I can take out of the other day.

1513
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 2: It was the fact that, like I had, I was

1514
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: set up in a spot. Like a lot of things

1515
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: that I thought would be true proved to be true

1516
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: like I thought. The first I thought, okay, hey, I

1517
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 2: gotta be tight, tight inside this core betting air. So

1518
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: I went in there, saw him locked on a dough.

1519
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: Next thing, I decided like, hey, I got to get

1520
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 2: tight to that again, tighter, and then I need to

1521
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: give it some time here because I think he's gonna

1522
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 2: stick around. And sure enough, the next morning he wasn't

1523
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: on the dough, but he was still right in there.

1524
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:11,879
Speaker 2: Now it didn't work out because of what I described.

1525
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 2: Then things got messed up, and I said, Okay, he's

1526
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: not gonna totally change his world up and get to

1527
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 2: the other side of this whole section. He's still gonna

1528
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 2: be cruising, he's still gonna do his thing. I'm gonna

1529
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 2: surprise him in the other opposite side where he's not

1530
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: expecting me. I just basically did a wind push for

1531
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: him to the other side, and there he was. So

1532
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,799
Speaker 2: I think, you know, sticking to your core RUP principles,

1533
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 2: I made sure, like I'm always on the down one

1534
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: side of dough betting area, or I'm in some kind

1535
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: of pinch or something that's going to funnel some deer

1536
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 2: activity together, I try to do the same thing on

1537
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: the other side there as best as I could. And

1538
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 2: I think that that general approach, like it's so easy

1539
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: during the rut. It has been for me in the past,

1540
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: like ten years ago, I would chase sightings, I would

1541
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 2: chase pictures. I'd be here, then i'd be there, then

1542
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: it'd be here, then I'd be there. And these deer

1543
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: don't do the exact same thing from one day to

1544
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: the next. So if you're chasing seeing like a picture,

1545
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 2: it almost never works out. You gotta stick to principles.

1546
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 2: I think, don't chase isolate incidents. Stick to principles when

1547
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: it comes to the rut. The principle being like, Okay,

1548
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 2: is there a reason for this deer, for for any deer,

1549
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 2: but and maybe it's a specific deer to be downwind

1550
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 2: of this betting or in this pinch point, or is

1551
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 2: there convergence of all these things, like how many of

1552
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: these things can I stack on top of each other

1553
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: to make this an optimal location? Like in your case,

1554
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 2: you've got that ridge kind of pinge with the river

1555
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: cover pinch, and then you also had an oak tree

1556
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: in there too, so you had like stacked attractions all there.

1557
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 2: Like that's that's a principle for rut hunting success. That works.

1558
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 2: So don't get hung up in these freaking trail cameras

1559
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: and and this crazy like oh do this wiggy waggy thing, like,

1560
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 2: just keep it simple, stupid, it's the rut. Do the

1561
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: things you know that works, stick to those, stay focused,

1562
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 2: don't go crazy with your shots, don't get caught up

1563
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: in the craziness of the whole thing, and you know,

1564
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 2: manage expectations.

1565
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 6: Well that was a laundry list, buddy.

1566
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I got, though, Tony. I don't know

1567
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: any other thoughts on your end or any other thing

1568
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: that you want to add. To leave people here when

1569
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 2: they're listening. It's November ninth, tenth eleven somewhere in that window,

1570
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 2: so I mean people are like right there in the

1571
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: heat of it. We're about to hit lockdown maybe for

1572
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: some people. Any other suggestions on that front.

1573
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 6: Man, I would say, treat the next ten twelve days

1574
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 6: like you would have treated the last ten twelve days.

1575
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 6: And even though you're gonna hear about the lockdown, and

1576
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 6: even though your cameras are going to slow down and

1577
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,799
Speaker 6: people are gonna start talking about how it's getting harder

1578
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 6: for me this I'm heading to Wisconsin here to hunt

1579
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 6: some big wood stuff, and I know it's gonna not

1580
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 6: be like too fast and furious, like it's gonna probably

1581
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 6: be a little bit subdued. But I think I have

1582
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 6: a better chance at a big one now. Even though

1583
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 6: my days are going to be probably more boring, they're

1584
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 6: still going to be out there doing their thing. There's

1585
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 6: there's plenty of time left here, even though we're not

1586
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 6: on the crazy chase fest that was Halloween or whatever.

1587
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 6: Just stick it out like it's not it's not over

1588
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 6: and it's not going to be over for a little

1589
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 6: while yet, like keep going.

1590
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's whyse wise words are there, Tony. I guess

1591
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 2: with that, let's wrap the sucker up. I appreciate you,

1592
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 2: uh excuse me. I appreciate you hopping right out of

1593
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 2: the truck after the trip home and doing this with me,

1594
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: And thank you for the words of consolation for me

1595
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: coming off of mine.

1596
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I gotta go. I gotta go finish. Butcher

1597
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 6: in that, dear, do you need me to send you

1598
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 6: some venison or are you good? Hey?

1599
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 5: Now?

1600
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: Hey, no, too soon, too soon.

1601
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 6: Too good, there buddy, you'll get there all right, man.

1602
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Tony, and thank you to everyone listening.

1603
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,480
Speaker 2: Make sure you're following me and Tony over on Instagram

1604
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: to see any other more frequent updates or up to

1605
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: date updates from us. Make sure you're listening to the

1606
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: Foundations podcast every Tuesday. We've got the Rough Fresh Reports

1607
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: every Wednesday, where we're getting up to the intel from

1608
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,480
Speaker 2: hunters from all across the country right now. That's particularly

1609
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: useful and interesting as things are changing really quick, so

1610
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: check that out. I think that's it, So thank you

1611
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 2: for listening, Thank you for being a part of this community.

1612
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 2: Stay wired to hunt, and this week we're gonna send

1613
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: it out with some different tunes. Let's queue last year's

1614
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 2: rut sing along of the Year, the most Wonderful Time to.

1615
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 5: Kill Deer Boys. Good to see you, Hayden, it's been

1616
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 5: a while. Hey, Sorry, I'm late. I crashed my Pontiac

1617
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 5: Castec into a light pull and had to walk the

1618
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 5: rest of the way, But I'm here now. That's what matters.

1619
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 5: Give me a glass of scotch, please, Hey, just two

1620
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 5: rocks in there. I don't my guys, we're starting already.

1621
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 5: This is happening. Okay, just give me the give me

1622
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 5: the glass, thank you. Okay, here we go. It's the

1623
01:18:55,680 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 5: most wonderful time to kill deer. With the run now

1624
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 5: just starting and dashing and dotting and veins cutting clean,

1625
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 5: It's the most wonderful time to kill deer. There's far

1626
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 5: too much isonus glass. It's the half happy seeds of all.

1627
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 5: There's gotta be at least twelve cues with grunting and

1628
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 5: bleeding and call fronts and sleeting the last weeks of fun.

1629
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 5: It's the half happy seedssin of home. There'll be pictures

1630
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 5: for posting and bragging and boasting, and truck beds with

1631
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 5: big bucks in toe. There'll be narrow miss stories and

1632
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 5: tales of your glories of booner bucks missed with our bulls.

1633
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 5: It's the most wonderful time to kill deer. Not just one,

1634
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 5: maybe two. There will be no dose of blowing and

1635
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 5: looming knocks glowing and blood trails so clean. It's the

1636
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 5: most wonderful time to kill de Excuse me, can I

1637
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 5: have a napkin. Please. I just spilled some scotch on

1638
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 5: my loafers. I can't have dirty loafers in the studio.

1639
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 5: Thank you Tailgate Beers for drinking. And big Bucks is

1640
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 5: slinking and chasing and sent jacking does They'll be fighting

1641
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 5: and scraping and no more escaping and arrowshot true hitting.

1642
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 5: Oh key, change what. No one told me that it's

1643
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 5: the most wonderful time to kill deer. I was very

1644
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 5: unprepared for this. There will be much morning sitting in

1645
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 5: cold fronts, are hitting the dawn, crispin clean. It's the

1646
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 5: most wonderful time, most swonderful time, yes, the most swam

1647
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 5: diffle time to kilty. There's too much ice in the glass.

1648
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 5: Two rocks