1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fifty four. 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: We're going to be interviewing Lisa Canning, who is a 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: fascinating woman. She is a designer, author, mom of eight. 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: We are always interested to hear how people make it 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: work with large families. So, speaking of large families, in 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: a certain series called The Babysitters Club, there was also 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: a family with eight children, I believe, Oh yes, yes, 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: the Mallory family. Can you name all till all eight? 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: I probably could at some point, because I think there 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: could right now. We're both of the age where we 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: were obsessed with this. It was very important to our 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: ten year old selves. So, Sarah tell us about The 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: Babysitters Club, your new favorite TV show. Yeah, that show 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: is amazing and if you haven't checked it out on Netflix, 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: you absolutely should, particularly if you were born sometime in 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: the late seventies or eighties and enjoyed the books when 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: you were growing up, because man, they did an amazing 27 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: job translating those books, keeping so many of the elements, 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: but also modernizing it. I mean, I just hats off 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: to the team that did this adaptation. I am in 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: love because it's not like an nineteen eighty eight period piece. 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: It's like actually, and it could have been, and that 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 1: would have been fun, but it's even better the way 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: they did it. Now, well, how did that because I mean, 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: thirteen year old girls don't really babysit anymore. Well they 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: do on the show. They do on the show. Okay, 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: I would hire these girls in a heartbeat. I mean, 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: the very response they it seems like they do a 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: lot of like short daytime jobs for like kids that 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: aren't that young. I mean that part's a little You're right, 40 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: it's not as common anymore, but I don't know. I 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: buy it. And they bring such they bring they just 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: did such a great job. They brought diversity elements, all 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: different kinds of diversity elements into the show in really 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: like cute and poignant ways. Just I don't want to 45 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: give away any spoilers, but I just watched episode four 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: last night and was like, yes, it's just great. So 47 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: it was. It's such a great business idea though, I mean, 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: this is the babysitters Club. If you think about it, 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's you could find any sinner, like if 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: you had a you know, Friday night and instead of 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: calling to six people you have I mean, this is 52 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: less of a sort of thing. I guess now you 53 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: can group text them all. But it's uh back with 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: our technology that we had at the time, you know, 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: once oh one hundred. I mean I actually think, yeah, 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: it was a it was a good ideas. There weren't 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: more actual copycut well. Chris ste Thomas was a good 58 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: little entrepreneur and she you know, made it work, made 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: it work. I was obsessed with the books. You read 60 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of them, right you, Oh yeah, Like 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean until they got to triple digits and I 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: kind of outgrew it. I read all of them and 63 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: like many times each I recall I had a I 64 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: had some of them. I don't know. I somehow didn't 65 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: have the ability to buy them or get them or whatever, 66 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: but I would sometimes I would spend the night at 67 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: a friend's house who had all of them. I don't know, 68 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: somehow she had gotten all of them, and I would 69 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: always like read one, like she'd go to sleep and 70 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: I'd read one, and they're like, ooh, forbidden fruit, Dan 71 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: and m Martin. I wasn't forbidden. It was just I 72 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't have all of them or whatever, and she did, 73 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: so it was it was like I could always find 74 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: the new one there. So that was that was really cool. 75 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: But yes, well you should check it out and let 76 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: us know about your Babysitters Club reading memories if like 77 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Sarah and me, you are somewhere between the ages, and 78 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: I'll mention that if you have a child between the 79 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: ages of I don't know, it's seven and twelve, seven 80 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: and eleven something like that, they may really enjoy watching 81 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: with you. Because I had Annabelle joined me last night 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: and I actually I was a mean mom and I 83 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: didn't let her start at the beginning. She didn't care 84 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: like I had already watched episodes one through three and 85 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: I was like, do you want to watch episode four? 86 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: And she was like okay, and she loved it, and 87 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: it like sparked good conversations and it did feel quite 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: age appropriate. So there you go. All right, we'll check 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: it out now, onto Lisa. Well, we are delighted to 90 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: welcome Lisa Canning to the program. She is the author 91 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: of the book The Possibility Mom. She is also a designer. 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: You may have seen her on HGTV in the past. 93 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: She is also the mom of eight kids. Her youngest 94 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: was born right around the same time that Henry was, 95 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: so just at the beginning of twenty e twenty. So Lisa, 96 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me. 97 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk to you. Well, we're excited 98 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: to have you as well. So why don't you tell 99 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: us a little bit about your career journey, because I 100 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: know you've had a lot of different iterations and I 101 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: would love to hear about how this has gone. Yeah, 102 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: for ten years, I was an interior designer in my 103 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: hometown of Toronto, Canada, and I got my start in 104 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: front of the camera hosting a show on HGTV, which 105 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: was a very unique and super fun experience, and then 106 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: that led me to working behind the scenes on several 107 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: productions in the HDTV world. So I worked with the 108 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: Property Brothers for many years, and I worked behind the 109 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: scenes on lots of different lifestyle television shows. And at 110 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: the same time as building this television and interior design career, 111 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: I had like a whole bunch of babies. So basically 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: every other year I popped a child out of my body. 113 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: And as the demands and the excitement and the fun 114 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: and the fame grew in my business, just as rapidly 115 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: I was raising a whole bunch of kids and navigating 116 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: not only how to be a good parent, but like 117 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: how to do both of these things well, how to 118 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: work and how to be a good mother, how to 119 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: be a you know, a good leader of a team, 120 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: and be a good wife. And basically it just became 121 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: increasingly and increasingly increasingly more difficult, and everything for me 122 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: hit the absolute fan when I had my fourth baby, 123 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: so my fourth baby in five years, and I basically 124 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: convinced myself just seven days postpartum, that I should like 125 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: bring her to a messy construction site. And I just 126 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: remember that day, sitting in my minivan that was like 127 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: my my come to Jesus moment, so to speak. Where 128 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: I was like, if I continue down this route of 129 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: constantly putting work and constantly putting other people first ahead 130 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: of everything, to be very frank with you, my health, 131 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: my marriage, my relationship with my kids, like it was 132 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: not going to be not only sustainable for my health, 133 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: but it just was not going to lead to good relationships. 134 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: And so where I pivoted after that was getting to 135 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: know and learn everything I could about time management and 136 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: eventually develop my own sort of philosophy and methodology. And 137 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: that's what I'll got turned into my book, The Possibility Mom, 138 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: And now I coach moms who also want to pursue 139 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: their dreams but not at the expense of their priorities. 140 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Well that's what we do here. We try to have 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. And Lisa, I just have 142 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: to ask, because I'm mildly obsessed with how are Drew 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: and Jonathan in person? Oh, it's such a great question. 144 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: They are exactly as you would imagine. I have never 145 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: seen to be very frank with you, like I think 146 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm a hard worker. These guys are so hardworking. They 147 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: bend over backwards for their fans. They are incredibly dedicated 148 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: and loyal and honestly just genuinely nice guys. Yeah, it 149 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: sounds like they are from their personality. It's so wonderful 150 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: to hear that that's exactly true in life as well. Lisa, 151 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: how old are your kids currently? Are you ready? Are 152 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: you ready? Eight? Okay, we already lift them up. I 153 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: have an eleven year old boy, a nine year old girl, 154 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: an eight year old boy, a six year old girl, 155 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: a five year old boy, a three year old boy, 156 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: a two year old girl, and then baby Colleen is 157 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: six months. Yeah, that's you know what, if you combine 158 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: Laura's family and my family and you put him into one, 159 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: we'd pretty much get your family. It's true, it's true. 160 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: But that is amazing. I love the fun part when 161 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: you have enough kids, like their birthdays change often enough 162 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: that you it's like you have to really think through it, 163 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: like where are we in the year? And doing school 164 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: forms for me is like you need a bottle of 165 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: wine and you need like six pens. Like I'm just 166 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: like okay, and here we go again, and here we 167 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: go again. Oh my goodness. Well, and I'm sure with 168 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: you guys made a huge move this past fall from 169 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: Canada to Florida. So I'm sure there was a ton 170 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: of stuff associated with that. Yeah, you know, we lived 171 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: a very I loved our life in Toronto. I loved 172 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: our friends, My family is all still there. But we really, 173 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: with eight children, were desiring a more quiet pace of life, 174 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: and we did consider staying more locally, like maybe just 175 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: moving out of the city, moving to you know whatever, 176 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: just like out moving out a little bit. But ultimately 177 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: we had we had vacationed in Florida quite a bit, 178 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: and the particular community that we found, I just we 179 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: fell in love. We fell in love with the proximity. 180 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: We fell in love with the simplicity. I live in 181 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: a town that doesn't even have a stop light, y'all. 182 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: And I was I was in Toronto, which was like 183 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't. It took me like fifteen minutes just to 184 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: get a bag of milk, you know what I mean. 185 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: To remove some of the kind of hassles, obstacles like 186 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, again winter, oh my gosh, boots and hats 187 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: and mits and all the things for eight children, Like, 188 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: just removing some of that has been hugely helpful for 189 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: our you know, mental physical health, and of course proximity 190 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: to sunshine. Just really want in the ocean. So yeah, 191 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: that was that was very much why why we decided 192 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: to make the very ginormous move for a slower pace 193 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: of life for our family, for a large family. Well, 194 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: switching countries is certainly you know, welcome to America. Great 195 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: time to be here, Florida. No less so. But I 196 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: totally get that. You know, eight pairs of flip flops 197 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: totally beats eight pairs of hats, you know, gloves, boots, coats, scarves, 198 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: et cetera that are necessary for the northern climates. Did 199 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: you did you know that you were Did you always 200 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: think you'd have a big family as this, you know? No, no, 201 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: my god, Oh it's so funny. And I have you know, 202 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: like I've got groups of friends who knew me, you know, 203 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: sort of in a different time, and then groups of 204 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: friends who know me now so to speak. And there's 205 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: a group of friends who still when we get together, 206 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: you know once in a while, who are like they 207 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: just are like this is what happened, like not in 208 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: a bad way, but just meaning I was never a 209 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: trajectory that I ever ever imagine. I really I remember 210 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: this so this group of friends that I'm talking about. 211 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: They were when I was younger, so more high school 212 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: kind of group, and it was like, you're you know, 213 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: I basically was just like, I'm going to be a 214 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: CEO by the time I'm thirty, and so that's there's 215 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: no room for kids and babies until I'm thirty, like 216 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: like like at the minimum, Like I really had hardwired 217 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: in me when I was younger that success only looked 218 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: like that. And so yeah, so it is quite the hilarious, 219 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, I it is it truly when I think 220 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: about it, if I were to go back in time 221 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: to a younger Lisa, like a high school age Lisa, 222 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: so like my late teens, and said, yeah, you know, 223 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: by the time you are thirty six years old, you're 224 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna have eight children, I just would have been like, 225 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: there's no frickin' way, how is that even possible? But 226 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: guess what, everybody, it is? Is it your Was it 227 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: your partner's influence in part? Like was your husband like 228 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: let's have more, let's have more, let's have more, or 229 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: was it just kind of like we just kind of 230 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: take it one baby at a time. I'll be very 231 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: frank with you, like I true. And you know, people 232 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: when I was younger, like meeting younger and as a mother, 233 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: like when I just had a few children, people would 234 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: be like, are you trying to like compete with like 235 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: the duggers? Are you like, is it some kind of 236 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: contest like? And I was like, no, I don't not 237 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: any babies in any kind of contest, like come on, 238 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, but just very truthfully like the experience of 239 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: having children with such a blessed and positive one for me, 240 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: My faith also informs some of my decisions around being 241 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: open to a large family. And to be honest with you, 242 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: I just I really like babies. I love I love 243 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: the dynamic of my large family. I was always very 244 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: intimidated by it. I didn't have very many models of 245 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: large families where I grew up in Toronto. There were 246 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: only a few I could chump them on my hand, 247 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: and so I just never even thought it was a possibility. 248 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: But you know, just as we continue to go on, 249 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: and as my work our careers evolved, we just sort 250 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: of roll, you know, just continued groling with it. So 251 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: one baby at a time, though, one baby to time, 252 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: and they're all amazing. We're going to take a short 253 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: ad break and we will be right back. We're here 254 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: interviewing Lisa Canning, who is a designer the author of 255 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: the book The Possibility Mom, a mom of eight children 256 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: between the ages of eleven and a baby. So, you 257 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: guys moved to Florida and you know here you are 258 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: a designer, So tell us about your process of making 259 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: your house into a good, big family home now that 260 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: you're there, Like, what did you prioritize getting first, any 261 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: any sort of tips for people who are really you know, 262 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: what should I spend money on? What should I not 263 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: spend money on? As I'm trying to make my home 264 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: nice and functional for my family. You know, I think 265 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: we're such an unprecedented time and history of course, where 266 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: everybody now who has spent so much time at home 267 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: is realizing, oh my gosh, like like either I think 268 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the the ugly things or 269 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: the non functional things are coming to the surface for people. 270 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: And so what I would say is that a home 271 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: should help a family thrive, and thriving is going to 272 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: look different to everybody. This is what I unpack in 273 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: the coaching that I do with moms. What does it 274 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: look like for your unique family for you as a 275 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: person to thrive, and so for me, I love to entertain. 276 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: I love to create experiences. I you know, my deep 277 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: desire for my home is that it is the place 278 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: where everyone feels welcome, where everyone feels like they belong 279 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: and that they can come. You know. I I purposefully 280 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: like make extra food so that if one of my 281 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: kids friends like wants to stay for dinner, there's there's 282 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: always a place at our table. And so that requires 283 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: planning to accommodate that. So for example, if I always 284 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: want somebody to have a place my table, well I 285 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: better have a big enough table, you know what I mean. 286 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: If I want my home to be the kind of 287 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: place where my kids' friends like to like, you know, 288 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: lounge around, like to do the things that they enjoyed, 289 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: then I better have it enough like you know, comfortable 290 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: seating or the games or the things that they can 291 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: do together. The pieces of furniture that we place in 292 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: a room significantly then dictate the function of that space. 293 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: So you know, I just did my master bedroom. You 294 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: can go on my blog Lisa Canning and on my 295 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: Instagram at Lisacanning to see the transformation. I deeply desired 296 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: my bedroom to be the place where my husband and 297 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: I could just recharge. I got a bolt, like literally 298 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: there is a bolt, Like it's the kind of lock 299 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: you need an external key because my little children, my 300 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: toddlers went like, you know, it's take a diggadator, like 301 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: just like just they broke the lock, and so I 302 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: was like, gosh, darn it, we're getting a bolt. So 303 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: it's the kind of place where truly we bolt the 304 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: door and it's just it's quiet, it's serenity, and it's 305 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: a place for us to recharge. Personal sanctuary or something. 306 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: The children are trying to see that they won't be 307 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: a ninth child. I guess that's a different lobby for there. 308 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, you guys definitely check out Lisa's Instagram page 309 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: and her blog and you can see her designs and 310 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: how she's been making her house look beautiful as you 311 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: might imagine that she would do so. So one of 312 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: the things, you know, with you guys having your sanctuary there, 313 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure part of this is, you know, with quarantine, 314 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: it's less possible to go out and do stuff. But 315 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: when I interviewed you a few months ago for something else, 316 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: you mentioned that you and your husband had been able 317 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: to prioritize a weekly date night even with all those children. 318 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: So how have you made that work? What does that 319 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: look like for your dido before quarantine? Yeah, so before quarantine, 320 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: it was just a non negotiable that our available funds 321 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: would go to babysitting once a week at the minimum 322 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: for the ability to go out and to date each other. 323 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: And you know, and this is the thing I talk 324 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: about often in the moms that I coach, Like when 325 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: you were wooing your spouse or whatever, like you did 326 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: you showed up for those dates, you know what I mean. 327 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: You didn't wear sweatpants, or maybe you did, but you 328 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you put effort. When we're 329 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: first dating our spouse. This there's a lot of effort made, 330 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: and that all just kind of goes downhill when we 331 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: get married. But why why does that hook have to 332 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: go downhill? And so I just think that that same intention, 333 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: that same feeling of like I want to still date you, 334 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: is very much why we prioritize this. Mental illness is 335 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: a thing in our marriage. My husband suffers from He 336 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: suffered from depression very seriously in the past, and anxiety 337 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: is a constant thing for us, and I just have 338 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: found that the ability to step away, to lower the 339 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: court is all level, to just connect and be present 340 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: to each other is just instrumental for are both of 341 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: our health. You don't need to be diagnosed with something 342 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: to have practices in place to ensure that you're thriving, 343 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: and so yeah, it's a real big non negotiable for us. 344 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: So before quarantine, there was always a babysitter, and to 345 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: be honest, we just kept it very simple. We would 346 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: just go locally to some kind of you know, restaurant. 347 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: We're not very it's not necessary for us to do 348 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: some kind of grand experience. We really just like to 349 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: sit and talk and be present. And then during quarantine, 350 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: when babysitting wasn't really an option, we would just try 351 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: to make like the meal we had fancy. So I 352 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: would make like the same kind of a cheeseboard and 353 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: like fancy wine glasses, the same kind of thing that 354 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: we might experience at a restaurant. I would try to 355 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: emulate that at home. We would like set a table 356 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: like on the on the front porch, like all that 357 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of thing, So trying to still make it special 358 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: regardless of the circumstances. Yeah, such a good idea. In 359 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: home date nights are great. When they out of the 360 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: home date nights can't work, although as you've noticed, it 361 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: still can interrupt you. Yeah, dead bowl, I have a 362 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: dead bowl. Take the cheeseboard into the bedroom. Well, I'm 363 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: curious since you know this phone call features two extremely 364 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: amazing time management experts, Laura and Lisa. Lisa, I know 365 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: all about Laura's tips, having worked with her for more 366 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: than one hundred and fifty episodes at this point. But Lisa, 367 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm excited for your book and tell me and Laura, like, 368 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: what are your favorite time management like what is your 369 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: If you had to have like one or two big 370 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: takeaways from the Possibility Mom, what would they be? Time 371 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: management is actually about priority management. I think Laura and 372 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: I are so aligned. I just love everything that you 373 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: know Laura produces in regards to time management, and I 374 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: know we're very aligned on this. You can do all 375 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: the things, like you can create the Google spreadsheets, you 376 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: can buy all the apps, you can you know, get 377 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: the calendar, you can get all the things, But if 378 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: you're not putting the correct things in your day timer, 379 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: like if you're not doing things that are truly going 380 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: to move forward your ability to thrive in life. To me, 381 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how fast or fishing you are doing things. 382 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: So let me just unpack this practically, when I was 383 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: pre my minivan meltdown, that's my affectionate term for that 384 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: period where I was bringing my baby to you know, 385 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: a job site, and when I had my big like 386 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, come to Jesus moment in terms of how 387 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: I was living my life prior to that, if you 388 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: had asked me, oh, do you put your family first, 389 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: like above you know, your work, I would have been like, oh, yeah, 390 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: of course I do. But if you had open, you know, 391 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: my agenda, if you had seen how I actually spent 392 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: my time, like actually, get went through the exercise of like, 393 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: how do you actually spend your time? I was basically 394 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: working all of my waking hours. If I wasn't actually 395 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: physically working, I was thinking about working. I was distracted. 396 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: I was always on my phone, so I'd be at 397 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: a playd aid even you know, in front of other mothers, 398 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: and I'd be like, it's secretly in the corner, like 399 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: texting or doing work. And I think the first real 400 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: big realization we have to have is that there are 401 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: activities and actions that you can tie to your priorities 402 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: that will make that priority continue to be important. So 403 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: if you want to be a person who is healthy, 404 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: you've got to do things that a healthy person would do, 405 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: like run, like meditate, like eat good food. If you 406 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: want to be remembered as a mother who was present 407 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: and engaged, well what are some of those activities that 408 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: actually have to be in your calendar, like, for example, 409 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: put your phone away for an hour every single day. 410 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: And I think that's the big like the piece for 411 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: me that I will like die on the hill or whatever. 412 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: The expression is is that if we don't correctly identify 413 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: our priorities, all is lost and the activities must be 414 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: in our calendars that will make those priorities remain important ones. 415 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: How we live our hours is how we live our lives. Right, 416 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: So love it, love it, love it Now. That was excellent. 417 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: So we're going to do a few big family hacks 418 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: because this is a can you had interest of mine 419 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: all the time. So for our listeners, what do you drive, Lisa? 420 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: What can you can? You? Guys fit all of you 421 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: in a vehicle. We are in a ten seat for transit. 422 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: And for those of you who don't know what that 423 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: looks like, it is a very common airport shuttle. Yep, 424 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: she drives an airport shuttle, only it doesn't have the 425 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: hotel name on it. You put your name on it. 426 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: The cannon van, the canning bus. Honestly socks, laundry and socks. 427 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: Socks I all white, no patterned, no nonsense. I I 428 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: have some moms of large families who do the same 429 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: size sock. I have not done that. So I do 430 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: have like toddler size, like you know, medium size, but 431 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: it's all white, no patterns, and good luck if somebody 432 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: gives me pattern socks. I'm like, yeah, good luck with that. 433 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: I think we had one parent who did like a 434 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: color for each child. I thought that was interesting of 435 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: a large family, but yeah, one color is even even 436 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: simpler that way. If you get your brother's sock, it's okay, 437 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: all good, all good, favorite big family meal. Anything on 438 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: my trigger smoker, So you guys, I just got a smoker, 439 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: and I am like, what is this so Florida? Oh 440 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: but I'm like I am, I am a conor genius 441 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like the thing makes me look 442 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: like I went to like, you know, the court on 443 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: blow like it's ridiculous. So anything, any big hunk of meat, literally, 444 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: just give me a big hunk of meat, put it 445 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: on a smoker. That's my favorite big family meal, all right. 446 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: My uncle used to smoke the Thanksgiving turkey every year 447 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: and outdoor, big outdoor smoker. So not just Florida, Laura, 448 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: It's right, I'm awesome. And how many kids are in 449 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: each bedroom in your house? And how do you have 450 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: them sort of stacked in there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so 451 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: my So part of the reason why we moved to 452 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: Florida also was because the real estate here was a 453 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: little bit more favorable for us, and so we were 454 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: able to get a substantially sized home for the size 455 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: of my family. So I've got my two older boys 456 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: share room, my two younger boys share room, my two 457 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: girls share room, and then the babies are sort of 458 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: like in like, okay, this is is this case scandalous? 459 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, but I feel like I'm gonna 460 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: get letters. People are going to be like, oh my gosh, 461 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: you're the worst mother. My toddler, the two year old 462 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: is in our walking closet, but everybody my walking closet. 463 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: And this is I'm not trying to brag or whatever, 464 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: but it's the walking closet. Here is the size of 465 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: my bedroom back in Toronto, Like just the real estate 466 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: is just so different in this where I am and 467 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: so the two babies are a bit closer to us 468 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: down in our bedroom. We had that experience when we 469 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: moved from New York City out to the suburbs of Philadelphia, 470 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: where like we can buy whole blocks for like the 471 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: price our apartment in New York, which wasn't huge. So 472 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: it's yes, now, I totally get that Toronto's a crazy 473 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: real estate market as well. So and Florida's true, you 474 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: can get a lot of space as long as you're 475 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: not in very specific areas. You can have a lot 476 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: of kids and give space. So, Lisa, our listeners love 477 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: the kind of day in the life thing. And I'm 478 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: especially when you've had sort of quarantine kids home, lack 479 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: of childcare. How has daily life looked in your household? Right? Yes, 480 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: it has been a lot of juggling, like like literal 481 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: like past the baton, So and I coached quite a 482 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: this has been the theme of my coaching for the 483 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: last four months or how many months we've been in 484 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: this crazy time. But essentially to really look at so 485 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: for me, I had to look at what is essential 486 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 1: that only I can do truly, and I had to 487 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: be ruthless with Okay, I can do those things, and 488 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: they're going to I have a two hour block in 489 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: the morning, and I'm only going to do those unique things. 490 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: And for me, it's things like this, like only I 491 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: can record an interview, only I can create content. And 492 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: so my husband and I re simply just sat down 493 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: and was like we were like, okay, there's certain aspects 494 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: of my job that I need solute, like dead bolted 495 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: door for and quiet for. That's going to be my 496 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: morning two hour block, and then you're going to get 497 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: the afternoon block for whatever it is that you need 498 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: to do. That is absolutely like behind the closed door. 499 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: I have blocks in my day where I do work 500 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: that is I call it like passive work, so I 501 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: can be in it for a moment, but if a 502 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: child asked me a question, I can easily pivot, and 503 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: then I can pivot back without getting frustrated. I think 504 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: the key thing here for working parents is that we 505 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: can't spend our entire day juggling. I think that would 506 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: just be so exhausting and so so. And you know, 507 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: there's been lots of things written about the impact of 508 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: mothers and career and all the things. It's a challenging time, 509 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: but I don't think it has to be the death 510 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: of us, like this is the thing. You know, there 511 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: was a New York Times article I feel like you 512 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: probably both read it right recently that coronavirus I'm paraphrasing, 513 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: but that coronavirus is like negatively impact of women's ability 514 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: to continue her career. And I wanted to I literally 515 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: I remember reading it. I was shaking my computer basically. 516 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: I was just like, it doesn't have to be this way, Like, yes, 517 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: it's hard. I'm not trying to say that the things 518 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: that have been asked of working mothers in the last 519 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: four months have been difficult, but it does not have 520 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: to be doomsday. And I think what I just expressed 521 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: is a really big key component of it is that 522 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: can you figure out what really only you can do, 523 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: how much time do you really need for that? What 524 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: can you then negotiate with older children or with your 525 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: partner or whoever, so that you can get that time, 526 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: and then can you be strategic about how you use 527 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: all the rest of the time, like, for example, like 528 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: literally give your children specific activities, whether that's screen time 529 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: or other things, so that you can get that other 530 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: little chunk of what I call sort of like passive admin. 531 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: But I truly think there's an approach to work that 532 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: is like maybe perhaps because I'm an entrepreneur and because 533 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of so many, I've had to think 534 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: about these things in this context, like what can I 535 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: do with kids? What can I do without? Because truly, 536 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: if I worked my whole day without like like meaning 537 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: I could work for hours and hours and hours without 538 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: without children, but then I would never see my children, 539 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I had to get 540 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: a sense of like, if I want to spend some 541 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: quality time with my children today, I've got to figure 542 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: out a way to do my work, either like a 543 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: faster or I've got to say what can only I 544 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: do and then what can I hand off to some 545 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: young millennial who doesn't have children who would love to 546 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: do these tasks. But I truly think that, like again 547 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: referencing this recent article, like I just truly think that 548 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: we aren't always approaching work with the strategy of the 549 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: things that I've just talked about, like that we don't 550 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: have to do everything outsourcing. It's always good at work 551 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: and at home. So a common theme here. So Lisa, 552 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: we always end with our love of the week. So 553 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: this is something that is exciting for us this particular 554 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: week or whatever. Uh, it's something you're enjoying. Sarah can 555 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: go first, since she thinks about this ahead of time 556 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: and I often do not. So Sarah, you start, I 557 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: will not repeat my intro. Love Well, I'm gonna be 558 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: don't forget to check out The Babysitters Club because it's amazing. 559 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: But also I just finished The Hate You Give by 560 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: Angie Thomas. It was marketed as YA, but it really 561 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: crosses all genres. So timely, so powerful. I highly recommend, 562 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: and it goes fast. It's the fun read. So I 563 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: have been reading a ton of decorating books while I've 564 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: been at the beach. It's just something that, you know, 565 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: I like looking at pictures of pretty houses and it's calming, 566 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: and I have not had the bandwidth to tackle anything 567 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: like you know, toll Stoy, So I am reading books 568 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: you can Usually the kindle versions are very cheap, you know, 569 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: it's not quite as good an experience of reading, like 570 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: a coffee table design book. But I don't have I 571 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: don't want to stack up books at home after I've 572 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: looked at them anyway, So read down my kindle, get 573 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: them from the library if I can. And I've just 574 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: been doing that, Lisa, how about you? So does it 575 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: have to be a book? No? No, you can be 576 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Hamilton the musical, Oh yeah, I have. Like, 577 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: I think my family is absolutely sick of me singing 578 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: it around the house because I've just been like, which 579 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: song are you singing the most? Well? I do? I do? 580 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: I do? I do? Like constant, I'm just I'm My 581 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: kids are like I hear my toddlers being like I 582 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: do I do? I do? I do? I really need 583 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: to find another thing to sing because I have been 584 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: singing that constantly. But that is a piece of art, 585 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, like just a piece of I was. I 586 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: was slow to the Hamilton Bandwagon, like I I got 587 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: into it when it first came out, but I was 588 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: definitely slow, and I was slow to get onto this 589 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: the new movie as well. All my girlfriends were all 590 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: tech saying like did you watch it? I'm like no, 591 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: they all watch it like literally when immediately came out anyway, 592 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: So but it's it is a beautiful piece of art. 593 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: Hamilton is awesome. I've been singing the King George stuff. 594 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: My kids like to sing that song. Yeah, exactly. Well, Lisa, 595 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. To tell our 596 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: listeners where they can find you. Yeah, on Instagram at 597 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: Lisa Canning and then my website to Lisa Canning dot ca. 598 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: All right, thanks for joining us. Well that was great. 599 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: We are back with our question, our listener question. So 600 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: I can go ahead and read it and Sarah can 601 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 1: give her response and they'll give mine. So this listener 602 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: writes that I'm currently feeling very burned out in my position. 603 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm in the medical field, not dealing with COVID patients, 604 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: but I am the primary breadwinner for our family. I 605 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: want to go down to part times that my job 606 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: feels meaningful again, but I can't afford to lose my 607 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: family's healthcare. Mostly, I do not want to expose my 608 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: kids to the disease. Even though it's low risk, there's 609 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: still a risk. What should I do layer unpack on 610 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: this question? I mean my first thought and this person's 611 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: medical so maybe they kind of know this, but they're 612 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: just not processing it in a way. But I just 613 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: want to reiterate, like, we do know that this this 614 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: disease is much more risky for adults than for children. 615 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: So the ending statement where she doesn't want to expose 616 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: her kiss to the disease, like that part is such 617 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: a slightly odd ending to me, because really she should 618 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: be worried about worried about like leaving them an orphan 619 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: or something, which is still not super super likely, but 620 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: is more likely than some risk of the children getting it. Yes, 621 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: children do get sick from COVID, but it is quite rare. 622 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: So that part was just that was my science slash 623 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: evidence based note. And I do wonder whether there's like 624 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: a cultural undercurrent of like it feels better to say 625 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: you want to protect your children than that I am 626 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: scared of this unknown and this uncertainty, and I don't 627 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: want any of us to come up harm, which is 628 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: okay too, I mean I'm not discounting that, okay, So 629 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: that was my first thought. My second sort of practical 630 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: thought is I don't know how part time you were 631 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: thinking of going, and I know Laura is going to say, 632 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: don't do it in general, but I was able to 633 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: maintain my full insurance package at eighty percent. I'm currently 634 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: at ninety percent. So you may be able to work 635 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: some degree of part time, Like if this is just 636 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: a matter of like you like your job but the 637 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: volume is just killing you and you need a day 638 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: off every week or every other week or something to recharge, 639 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: you may be able to do that and preserve your 640 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: health care because you mentioned that that was a concern. 641 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: And I guess my third thing before I let Laura 642 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: take over the answer because I feel like she's going 643 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 1: to have more useful things to say, But like, I 644 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: really feel like you need to take a deep dive 645 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: into what is making you feel burnt out, Like it's 646 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: just a volume thing, a tired thing, a like I'm 647 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: like just sort of a fatigue of the uncertainty, which 648 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: I totally understand. Like I feel that all the time. 649 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: Are there aspects of your job that you still love 650 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: that you could expand And is there anybody superior to 651 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: you that you could kind of dissect this with and 652 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 1: talk about your feelings, because my guess is they probably 653 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: don't want you to disappear. And you know, in the 654 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: medical field at least there's at least some effort to 655 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: work on combating physician burnout or nurse burnout or whatever 656 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: your position may be, and so there may be help 657 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: out there for you. Yeah, it was sort of hard 658 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: to There are a lot of issues in this question. 659 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, as you said, it's more that she 660 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: would be at risk than her kids would at risk. 661 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are feeling like we 662 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: need to They want to protect their kids in a 663 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: crisis situation, and that's a way that we can express 664 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: our fears, like oh, I'm protecting my kids, when maybe 665 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: that is not the actual case here. I was also 666 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: curious why her thought that going part time so her 667 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: job would feel meaningful. Again, like if the job doesn't 668 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: feel meaningful, I'm not sure why it would feel meaningful 669 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: at fifty percent versus meaningful at one hundred percent. Those 670 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: are different questions, like the volume of ours is not 671 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: what makes something feel meaningful or not, and in in some cases, 672 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: like it's hard to get to the point of meeting 673 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: when you're not full in So I just I feel 674 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: what may be going on here is she talked about 675 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: being a breadwinner, and a lot of female breadwinners that 676 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: I have studied over the years go through a feeling 677 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: of being trapped at different times. Every job has ups 678 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: and down. That's the nature of work. When you are 679 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: the soul or major breadwinner, you have less of an 680 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: ability to take the actions to deal with that that 681 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: many women wind up doing, which is that they opt 682 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: out for a bit, like they take a year or 683 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: two to be home with the kids, they go part 684 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: time for a while, they switch to a job that's 685 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: more flexible, or you know, something along those lines, because 686 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: it's not their money that's keeping the roof over their heads. 687 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: And if you are the breadwinner, you don't have the 688 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: ability to do that. And I think we could pause 689 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: in this situation and say, hey, that's interesting because men 690 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: have dealt with this for a long time. Maybe there's 691 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: many men who would like to switch jobs, go part time, 692 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: take a year off, and feel they can't because their 693 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: families would be out on the street. So we can 694 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: pause appreciate that. But we can also say, okay, well, 695 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: let's deal with the issue of why are you unhappy? 696 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: Do you like your job in general? If so, what 697 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: are the things that would make it feel more doable? 698 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: If you hate your job? What else could you do 699 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: that would be of a similar level of income that 700 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: would also provide benefits. Are there ways you could transition 701 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: to that over time? If you need a little bit 702 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: of time off, maybe there is some way you can 703 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: take some leave, right Like people get burned out and 704 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 1: haven't taken all their vacation days, Like, don't be that person. 705 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: Take your vacation days or any you know, sabbatical that 706 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: might be available to you, either non paid time off. 707 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: If you can keep your benefits, you might be able 708 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: to swing it to not work for a couple weeks 709 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: if that's an option in your place. You know, just 710 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: focus on what would make you feel better and go 711 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: with that understanding that yes, all jobs have ups and downs, 712 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: and a lot of people feel at this time like 713 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: it's a crisis, but we will get through it. And 714 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: you don't want to do anything that's going to cut 715 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: off options for the rest of your life because of 716 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: a rough couple. All right, Well, this has been best 717 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: of both worlds talking with Lisa Canning and about the 718 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: Babysitters Club. We will be back next week with more 719 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: on making work in life fit together. Thanks for listening. 720 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 721 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 722 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 723 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 724 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.