Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. Thomas Jefferson once noted that
Speaker 1: quote a little rebellion now and then was a good thing,
Speaker 1: is it? Welcome to criminal Lea. I'm Maria Trumarkie and
Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry. Kind of funny that Jefferson said that,
Speaker 1: considering last week's episode, That's what I was na good.
Speaker 1: Once the state of Rhode Island had two governors at
Speaker 1: one time. True story. Thomas Wilson Door was elected governor
Speaker 1: under a new state constitution. The problem with that, though,
Speaker 1: was that Rhode Island already had a governor that was
Speaker 1: a man named Samuel Ward King, and the state legislature
Speaker 1: refused to recognize the legitimacy of the new constitution or
Speaker 1: of Governor Door. Tom Dor was born on November five,
Speaker 1: the scion of an incredibly wealthy family in Providence, Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: His father, Sullivan Door, amassed the family's fortune through trade
Speaker 1: between the Jane dynasty and the United States during what's
Speaker 1: known as the Old China Trade. Door's mother, Video Allen,
Speaker 1: was the sister of the prominent textile manufacturer Zachariah Allen.
Speaker 1: Tom's father and uncle co owned the Burnon Mill Village,
Speaker 1: which was used for textile production in Woonsocket, about fifteen
Speaker 1: miles outside of Providence. Door was very well educated. He
Speaker 1: attended Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire and graduated from
Speaker 1: Harvard University in the class of eighteen three. He studied
Speaker 1: law for two years in New York City under Chancellor
Speaker 1: James Kent. You might not recognize that name, but he
Speaker 1: was the author of one of the leading American legal
Speaker 1: texts of the first half of the nineteenth century. Door
Speaker 1: was admitted to the Rhode Island Bar in eighteen twenty
Speaker 1: seven and opened a law practice on College Street in Providence.
Speaker 1: Over the next six years, give or take, though, he
Speaker 1: mostly toured the country, and he occasionally practiced maritime and
Speaker 1: commercial law in New York City before returning to Providence
Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty three. He was often referred to as
Speaker 1: a quote lackluster lawyer. In the eighteen thirties, Dora threw
Speaker 1: himself behind a number of reform causes, including public education,
Speaker 1: freedom of speech, banking, anti slavery, suffrage, extension, imprisonment for debt,
Speaker 1: and prison reform. He began his career as part of
Speaker 1: the Whig Party, but he didn't remain a Whig. Disagreements
Speaker 1: over banking reform and suffrage extension led to his expulsion
Speaker 1: from that party. He briefly had the Equal Rights wing
Speaker 1: of the state's Democratic Party, but just briefly. He began
Speaker 1: his political career as a representative in the Rhode Island
Speaker 1: General Assembly in eighteen thirty four, at the age of
Speaker 1: twenty nine. In his role, he drafted and secured a
Speaker 1: statute providing for regulation of state chartered banks, and he
Speaker 1: also set up a permanent school fund and laid the
Speaker 1: groundwork for the state's first public high school. The trouble
Speaker 1: began with an argument over Rhode Islands constitution because you
Speaker 1: see Rhode Island and actually have one before and into
Speaker 1: the eighteen forties, the government document of Rhode Island was
Speaker 1: its original colonial charter that dated all the way back
Speaker 1: to sixteen sixty three. In fact, for nearly two hundred years,
Speaker 1: from sixteen sixty three to eighteen forty three, the citizens
Speaker 1: of Rhode Island were governed under a royal charter granted
Speaker 1: by King Charles the Second of England. They were a
Speaker 1: political anomaly in this regard because most states drafted and
Speaker 1: adopted new state constitutions during and after the American Revolutionary War,
Speaker 1: but not Rhode Island. So let's get a little bit
Speaker 1: more specific on this. Under the colonial Charter, it was
Speaker 1: outlined that only men who owned real estate valued at
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four dollars or of more than
Speaker 1: that could vote, so specifically quote, gentlemen of property and
Speaker 1: standing had voting rights in the state. In two the
Speaker 1: state legislature restricted that right to vote to white men only,
Speaker 1: disenfranchising freemales of color across the state, all of whom
Speaker 1: had just previously been as eligible as the white male
Speaker 1: citizens to vote. At the time of the American Revolution,
Speaker 1: eight percent of the adult white male citizens of Rhode
Speaker 1: Island were enfranchised. Voting rights hadn't really been a big
Speaker 1: issue when the state was sparsely populated farmland, but by
Speaker 1: the eighteen forties things were becoming increasingly industrial and crowded.
Speaker 1: By the early nineteenth century, immigration had increased the state's population,
Speaker 1: and many of the newcomers rented their homes. Rhode Island
Speaker 1: had failed to reconcile that increase in immigration with political democracy.
Speaker 1: Dout in spite of the substantial changes to this day
Speaker 1: its population, the General Assembly refused to reabortion its seats.
Speaker 1: They had been reluctant to expand suffrage requirements, mainly in
Speaker 1: light of that growing immigrant population. Adult white males who
Speaker 1: rented rather than owned property, according to the Charter, had
Speaker 1: no voting rights. Black people, indigenous people's, really, any person
Speaker 1: of color, and all women regardless of race were not
Speaker 1: allowed to vote, whether they happened to be qualified by
Speaker 1: the rules applied to white male voters or not. By
Speaker 1: eighteen forty, the population of Rhode Island had grown to
Speaker 1: a little more than a hundred thousand people. Many people
Speaker 1: lived in urban areas, specifically in Providence. With these changes,
Speaker 1: the proportion of adult white men who met state qualifications
Speaker 1: to vote decreased from eight percent to forty In eighteen
Speaker 1: forty one, Rhode Island became the only state that did
Speaker 1: not allow all adult white males to vote, regardless of property.
Speaker 1: Staff is doors attempt to enfranchise all male citizens of
Speaker 1: Rhode Island and that included men of color, turned into
Speaker 1: what we now know as the Door Rebellion. We're going
Speaker 1: to take a quick break forward from our sponsor. But
Speaker 1: when we're back. We'll set the scene for how Rhode
Speaker 1: Island found itself in a small civil war. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Criminalia. Let's talk about how Rhode Island found itself
Speaker 1: with two elected governors. The Door Rebellion, or as it's
Speaker 1: also known, Rhode Island's own very small civil war, had
Speaker 1: what you might expect from a tiny civil war. There
Speaker 1: were cannons, impassioned speeches, they were rival governments, and at
Speaker 1: one point those who supported the new party took up
Speaker 1: arms against the colonial charter defined government. The very short
Speaker 1: lived rebellion to overthrow Governor King and the General Assembly
Speaker 1: was ultimately unsuccessful. Here's what went down. So a new
Speaker 1: reform party, the People's Party, called a Constitutional Convention, adopted
Speaker 1: a new constitution, held elections, and then on May third,
Speaker 1: eighteen forty two, installed Thomas dor As the new governor
Speaker 1: of the State of Rhode Island to da the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not so fast, man, not so fast at all. So
Speaker 1: the formation of the Rhode Island Suffrage Association in the
Speaker 1: spring of eighteen forty led to growing interests in this
Speaker 1: suffrage movement, and around the same time, reformers in the
Speaker 1: state sought to forcibly seek to free Rhode Island from
Speaker 1: the antiquated Royal Charter of sixteen sixty three. Spearheaded by
Speaker 1: Tom Door, Door Rights, as those who supported him were nicknamed,
Speaker 1: formed a new political party, a new state constitution, and
Speaker 1: new leadership. The People's Party, as they became known, wanted
Speaker 1: to redistribute wealth in the state, which was and had
Speaker 1: long been run by a small, wealthy group of white men.
Speaker 1: The People's Constitution called for an independent judicial system and
Speaker 1: universal manhood suffrage. In October of eighteen forty one, supporters
Speaker 1: held what they called the People's Convention. They drafted the
Speaker 1: People's Constitution that granted voting rights to all white males
Speaker 1: aged twenty one or older who had lived in Rhode
Speaker 1: Island for at least one year. Reformist and abolitionist in sympathies,
Speaker 1: Door supported the idea of manhood suffrage in the jackson
Speaker 1: Ian definition, which argued for universal manhood suffrage, or voting rights,
Speaker 1: for all white male adults. Where he differed, though, was
Speaker 1: that he argued for voting rights for black men as well.
Speaker 1: Door eventually gave up that fight for black suffrage in
Speaker 1: order to win the support of immigrants, many of whom
Speaker 1: were Irish and white, which his party would accept. His
Speaker 1: party's constitution, though ended up demanding voting rights for only
Speaker 1: quote all white adult male citizens. The change was made
Speaker 1: over doors strong objections. They adopted their constitution, and they
Speaker 1: put it to a vote, and that document was overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: approved in a referendum that was held in defiance of
Speaker 1: the standing state government. Fourteen thousand people voted for it
Speaker 1: and fewer than one hundred against it, even the majority
Speaker 1: of those who were already entitled to vote back the move.
Speaker 1: All of this, though, all of this was unofficial and illegal.
Speaker 1: The old charter government hadn't given any kind of consent
Speaker 1: for a referendum and refused to recognize its legitimacy, so
Speaker 1: you can begin to see the problem here. By springtime.
Speaker 1: On April eighteen, eighteen forty two, Door was elected to
Speaker 1: the office of governor under the People's Constitution. I know
Speaker 1: you're like, why Yes. In April of eighteen forty two,
Speaker 1: two elections were held, one with the intention of electing
Speaker 1: a government under the People's Constitution and the other to
Speaker 1: elect a government under the legal Charter. Samuel Ward King
Speaker 1: was elected governor by charter rights. Those who believed the
Speaker 1: state should keep its colonial charter. The People's Party installed
Speaker 1: Thomas Wilson Doris, their governor on May third, eighteen forty two,
Speaker 1: and Rhode Island suddenly found itself with two elected governors.
Speaker 1: In early May, both governors, as well as state legislatures
Speaker 1: and other officials were all sworn into office, and in
Speaker 1: that moment there were two complete governments in the state.
Speaker 1: Printed in the Charleston Mercury quote, in the small state
Speaker 1: of Rhode Island, with the population of about a hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: there are at this moment two governors, two senates, two
Speaker 1: Houses of Representatives, and other things in proportion, a clear
Speaker 1: exemplification of Jefferson's maxim that the world is governed too much.
Speaker 1: Reformers remarked former President John Quincy Adams have taken steps
Speaker 1: to achieve a revolution in government because the state still
Speaker 1: adheres to the Royal Charter. In April of eighteen forty two,
Speaker 1: just before the elections, the state's General Assembly passed the
Speaker 1: Algerian Law, which basically rendered elections held by the People's
Speaker 1: Party as completely illegal and set punishments for anyone meeting
Speaker 1: or running for office under the People's Constitution. Many of Yours.
Speaker 1: Supporters were fined, some were imprisoned, some were tried. The
Speaker 1: Charter government passed a statute declaring results of any People's
Speaker 1: Party election to also be illegal. It also made it
Speaker 1: an act of treason against the State of Rhode Island
Speaker 1: and punishable by life imprisonment for anyone to assume state
Speaker 1: office under the People's Constitution. It became pretty clear that
Speaker 1: neither side would compromise, and the situation escalated. Door's election
Speaker 1: by the People's Party was outright rejected by the pre
Speaker 1: existing state government. Both Door and King claimed to be
Speaker 1: the legitimate governor of the state, and both appealed to
Speaker 1: President John Tyler for intervention. No help came, not really.
Speaker 1: The President was reluctant to get involved in this situation,
Speaker 1: but he did send troop reinforcements to Fort Adams in Newport,
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, just as a precautionary measure. Door himself had
Speaker 1: zero military experience, but he decided to organize between two
Speaker 1: hundred to three hundred Door Rights and began his campaign
Speaker 1: by stealing two light cannons from a small local militia post.
Speaker 1: On May set, two doors Men surrounded the state arsenal
Speaker 1: on Cranston Street in Providence, with the intention of taking
Speaker 1: the arms stored within. His father elevant Or and uncle
Speaker 1: Crawford Allen are said to have been among those defending
Speaker 1: the armory That's right against Tom Dora's family aligned themselves
Speaker 1: with Samuel Ward King and the Charter Rights. His parents
Speaker 1: pled for him not to run for governor under the
Speaker 1: People's Constitution. His father wrote him quote, it grieves us
Speaker 1: to the heart to know that a son of ours
Speaker 1: arrived at so mature an age, and so well versed
Speaker 1: in the laws of his country, should be a participant
Speaker 1: in acts calculated to carry this date into destruction. We
Speaker 1: pray you to pause before you pass the rubicon. They
Speaker 1: couldn't change his mind, and ultimately he became estranged from
Speaker 1: his family when its defenders would not surrender the armory
Speaker 1: to him. Door ordered his cannons fired, and they were fired,
Speaker 1: but no balls were fired, not on the first tribe,
Speaker 1: not on the second try. The theory here is that
Speaker 1: perhaps the equipment was just too old. This was equipment
Speaker 1: from the Revolutionary War, so roughly seventy years earlier. But
Speaker 1: that was the end of the armory raid. Though there
Speaker 1: was nothing left to do it that moment, but retreat.
Speaker 1: So the plan wasn't super great. Well, he didn't have
Speaker 1: any military experience. Governor King declared martial law and issued
Speaker 1: a warrant for doors arrest. Door fled to Connecticut, where
Speaker 1: the Democratic governor refused to extradite him to Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: Nearly two hundred of Doors followers were captured and brought
Speaker 1: to Providence, where they were jailed, some for several weeks
Speaker 1: before being released. This entire thing resulted in one death,
Speaker 1: that of an innocent civilian who was shot by mistake.
Speaker 1: The New York Herald humorously reported on the event, though
Speaker 1: printing quote killed, zero wounded, zero missing, four one scared,
Speaker 1: nine hundred and sixty horribly frightened, seven eighty nine painted
Speaker 1: on the battleground, seventy three women in hysterics, temperance pledge
Speaker 1: broke before the battle. Governors k missing one. So we're
Speaker 1: going to take a break here for a word from
Speaker 1: our sponsor, and when we return, we will talk about
Speaker 1: when Door returned from exile and when he turned himself in.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Criminally a Door became the first person
Speaker 1: convicted of treason against one of the states. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about that trial. After a month in exile, Door
Speaker 1: returned to Rhode Island in order to reconvene the People's
Speaker 1: Party on Independence Day at Chapatcha, a small village near
Speaker 1: the town of Gloucester. William Gibbs McNeil, a West Point
Speaker 1: graduate who commanded the Charter militia of roughly three thousand militiamen,
Speaker 1: was dispatched to protect the state's interests. Or hadn't realized, though,
Speaker 1: how the militia of the People's Party had just disintegrated
Speaker 1: after the failed attack on the Arsenal, and only a
Speaker 1: few hundred of his own supporters and militia met him there.
Speaker 1: In total, this rebellion lasted just about two months you'll
Speaker 1: see six weeks sometimes, and aside from the debacle at
Speaker 1: the Armory, not a single battle was fought. Actually, it's
Speaker 1: reported that the Charter forces were somewhat disappointed they couldn't
Speaker 1: find their enemy to fight. Regardless of that, though they
Speaker 1: still stormed Doors armies abandoned encampment at Chapachet. A few
Speaker 1: weeks later, Door wrote a lengthy letter to his friend
Speaker 1: William Simons, editor of the Providence newspaper The Republican Harold,
Speaker 1: and that letter said, quote, it is due to myself
Speaker 1: to say that, although I am not insensible to the
Speaker 1: opinions of men, I feel conscious that I have done
Speaker 1: the duty which was assigned to me by the people
Speaker 1: of Rhode Island, and in this a source of satisfaction
Speaker 1: of what no hostility or malice can deprive me. My
Speaker 1: spirit is not broken by the burden of defeat and
Speaker 1: obloquy that has been cast upon me. Through all of this,
Speaker 1: the Charter government kind of got the message. A document
Speaker 1: was drafted in an attempt to answer the People's Constitution.
Speaker 1: After a few drafts, in November that year, it was
Speaker 1: debated upon by the state legislature and passed by the Electorate.
Speaker 1: After suffrage. Language was modified to remove the property requirement
Speaker 1: for natural born citizens. Though it wasn't nearly as reformist
Speaker 1: as the People's Constitution, the new State Constitution did greatly
Speaker 1: increase male suffrage in Rhode Island, and it finally put
Speaker 1: an end to the racial requirement. It did, however, retain
Speaker 1: the property qualification for immigrants, which left a good number
Speaker 1: of doors Irish supporters just as disenfranchised as they had
Speaker 1: been before the rebellion. The new constitution went into effect
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty three, but the landholding requirement wasn't entirely
Speaker 1: dropped from the document until eighteen eighty eight. Facing arrest
Speaker 1: by the state, Door fled with a bounty of five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on his head under the protection of Governor
Speaker 1: Henry Hubbard. Door remained in exile in New Hampshire from
Speaker 1: July of eighteen forty two until October of eighteen forty three.
Speaker 1: On August eighteen forty two, he was indicted in absentia
Speaker 1: in state court for treason against Rhode Island. He returned
Speaker 1: to Rhode Island on October twenty one, eighteen forty three,
Speaker 1: and turned himself into authorities in Providence. Door was charged
Speaker 1: with treason. He remained in the Providence Rhode Island City
Speaker 1: Jail for five months before he was reigned on March fifth,
Speaker 1: eighteen forty four. He pleaded not guilty and his trial
Speaker 1: was set for April. With is bail denied. Door remained
Speaker 1: in jail until his trial. The trial was held before
Speaker 1: the judges of Rhode Island Supreme Court at the courthouse
Speaker 1: in Newport, which is actually about forty miles from Providence.
Speaker 1: Newport was known for its pro Charter government sympathies, making
Speaker 1: it a place where the prosecution believed they would have
Speaker 1: an easy time finding a jury that was sure to
Speaker 1: convict him. Joseph W. Blake and Alfred Bosworth were the
Speaker 1: chief prosecutors. Door, a lawyer, represented himself and was assisted
Speaker 1: by three attorneys, Samuel y Atwell, George Turner, and Walter S.
Speaker 1: Burge's Door never denied his actions. His argument primarily relied
Speaker 1: on two lines of defense. His first argument was that
Speaker 1: because the United States Constitution defined treason as a crime
Speaker 1: committed against the country of the United States and not
Speaker 1: against any individual state, he could not be charged with
Speaker 1: treason against Rhode Island. His second argument was about his
Speaker 1: legitimacy as governor, specifically that during the events of eighteen
Speaker 1: forty two, he was the legitimate governor of the state
Speaker 1: and therefore the Algerine law was in valid. The court
Speaker 1: rejected both of those arguments. According to the judges job
Speaker 1: De Free, Levy, Hail william Our Staples, and George A.
Speaker 1: Braton quote, wherever allegiance is due, their treason may be
Speaker 1: committed allegiance is due to a state, and therefore treason
Speaker 1: may be committed against the state of this Union. Additionally,
Speaker 1: the judges argued that only the state legislature that had
Speaker 1: been elected in eighteen forty three, and not any judge
Speaker 1: or jury or Thomas Door, had the power to decide
Speaker 1: which government or constitution was legitimate in eighteen forty two.
Speaker 1: The jury retired on May six and returned a verdict
Speaker 1: of guilty just three hours later. Door became the first
Speaker 1: person convicted of treason against one of the states. On June,
Speaker 1: he was sentenced for his actions against the state of
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. He was imprisoned quote for the term of
Speaker 1: his natural life, and they are kept it hardly were
Speaker 1: in separate confinement. Motions were made for a new trial,
Speaker 1: but they were denied by the court. Door was taken
Speaker 1: to the state prison and providence two days after his sentence,
Speaker 1: saying where the sentence of solitary confinement was strictly enforced.
Speaker 1: His request for permission to take daily walks inside the
Speaker 1: prison and to have books available were both refused. He
Speaker 1: was not allowed to speak or write to anyone outside
Speaker 1: of the prison, with the exception of his lawyer. His
Speaker 1: parents were not allowed to see or talk to him
Speaker 1: the prison was damp and poorly ventilated, and doors health
Speaker 1: deteriorated while he was incarcerated. Yet he hadn't lost his fight.
Speaker 1: When the state legislature offered him amnesty on the provision
Speaker 1: he swore allegiance to the eighteen forty three state constitution,
Speaker 1: he refused. Door spent his time working on his appeal
Speaker 1: to the United States Supreme Court, but his situation changed.
Speaker 1: Before his case reached the High court stocket. Door did
Speaker 1: not serve out his life sentence. He was still popular
Speaker 1: among many Rhode Islanders, and many continued to champion his cause,
Speaker 1: calling him the People's Governor and making his freedom a
Speaker 1: cause celebre His imprisonment became a key issue in the
Speaker 1: gubernatorial election of eighteen forty five. After twenty months under
Speaker 1: Governor Charles Jackson's administration, Door was unconditionally released from prison.
Speaker 1: It's important to note, though, that this was not a pardon.
Speaker 1: Doors civil and political rights were not restored until his uncle,
Speaker 1: Philip Allen became the state's governor in eighteen fifty one.
Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty four, a decade after his release, doors
Speaker 1: treason conviction was reversed. Shortly before his death on December year.
Speaker 1: He never wavered. He maintained that his new government was legal,
Speaker 1: and he always maintained he had legitimately won that election
Speaker 1: of eighteen forty two. The Door Rebellion was the climax
Speaker 1: of years and years of debate in the state over
Speaker 1: the question of suffrage rights. Historians have described the rebellion
Speaker 1: in different ways. The Door rights have been called irresponsible
Speaker 1: idealists who ignored the state's need for stability and order,
Speaker 1: but they've also been hailed as being part of an
Speaker 1: early working class attempt to overthrow an elitist government. Some
Speaker 1: historians call it a legitimate expression of republicanism in the
Speaker 1: United States, although politics actually changed very little for Rhode
Speaker 1: Islanders after eighteen forty two, because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, that same elite group of men held the
Speaker 1: power the remaining state population a k. The women, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: would have to wait until nineteen twenty for full voting
Speaker 1: rights with the addition of the nineteenth Amendment to the
Speaker 1: United States Constitution. Tom Door is buried in Providence, Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: On his headstone at Swan Cemetery is a small plaque
Speaker 1: bearing the state seal with People's Constitution inscribed below above
Speaker 1: it names the grave to be that of Governor Thomas Wilson.
Speaker 1: Door None is our story of the door riots. Would
Speaker 1: you like to have a little perfecty pour with me
Speaker 1: after this? Yes? I was trying to think about something
Speaker 1: interesting that would feature a sense of two things competing
Speaker 1: and canceling each other out in the way that there
Speaker 1: were two governors going on here. And so this drink
Speaker 1: has two flavors that tend to be strong, but they
Speaker 1: do balance in a very weird way. When you drink it,
Speaker 1: you will remember that a while back I did a
Speaker 1: cocktail where we tried to reclaim the Negroni and make
Speaker 1: it something delicious and palatable to me. Absolutely remember that, Yes,
Speaker 1: And in the int um I have continued to play
Speaker 1: with Kompari a little bit and see how I can
Speaker 1: use it in ways that I like. Because I am
Speaker 1: not the biggest fan of a biting, bitter thing, so
Speaker 1: I thought, is there a way I can balance out
Speaker 1: Kompari and make it not feel quite so harsh but
Speaker 1: still have that unique flavor where you get a little
Speaker 1: bit of the bitter flavor, but it doesn't feel as
Speaker 1: bity in your mouth. So this is a drink that
Speaker 1: I'm calling double Trouble just to represent two governors. It
Speaker 1: actually has three ingredients, is super easy. So they're two
Speaker 1: flavors that tend to be strong, but they balance each
Speaker 1: other out because there's also a modifier in there. So
Speaker 1: you start with one ounce of kompari three quarters of
Speaker 1: an ounce of vodka, just a basic, clean vodka, you
Speaker 1: don't want any flavor in there, and then you'll shake
Speaker 1: that and pour it over ice, and you top it
Speaker 1: with ginger ale or ginger beer, depending on how you
Speaker 1: want it to flavor. Add bitters if you want. I
Speaker 1: added a floral bitter and it was nice, but you
Speaker 1: don't need it. But what's interesting is that the ginger
Speaker 1: neutralizes the kampari in a way that I didn't anticipate.
Speaker 1: It's like the ginger in the vodka together. Do you
Speaker 1: still taste that bitter orange flavor, but it doesn't create
Speaker 1: that weird pucker that kampari can take can create in
Speaker 1: your mouth where you're like um. And it actually becomes
Speaker 1: really quite a sipable drink that has the flavor profiles
Speaker 1: without any of the unpleasant parts of them, which was
Speaker 1: very fascinating to me. It doesn't work with just kampari
Speaker 1: and ginger. The vodka has to be in there, otherwise
Speaker 1: it doesn't quite balance right. It's like the vodka is
Speaker 1: like its own bite neutralizes the bite of kampari, and
Speaker 1: then the ginger does a whole other thing to it.
Speaker 1: This is one that is a little bit trickier to
Speaker 1: do a mock tail of. I would suggest either using
Speaker 1: like the juice of a blood orange in lieu of
Speaker 1: kampari that has that sort of little bit more bitter
Speaker 1: and a little bit more like growl to it, and
Speaker 1: just squeezing that and you want to string it. If
Speaker 1: you get pulping your thing or not, it's up to
Speaker 1: you whatever you like. There's no cocktail jail. I haven't
Speaker 1: said that in a long time, but there isn't. The
Speaker 1: whole point is that this is a guide and from
Speaker 1: here you make things the way you like them. So
Speaker 1: I would do, yeah, like an ounce of blood orange
Speaker 1: juice against a few ounces of ginger aller ginger beer,
Speaker 1: and then I would if you are not averse to
Speaker 1: using bidders at all. We always talked about on the show.
Speaker 1: Some people like them and some don't. Anger Stir. It
Speaker 1: does make a bitter and orange bidders and I would
Speaker 1: throw a dash or two of that in there, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna get real close. At that point. I will
Speaker 1: tell you I didn't have a blood orange on hand
Speaker 1: when I was doing this, so I haven't tested this.
Speaker 1: So hopefully it works. It sounds like it's going to
Speaker 1: be a great substitute, I think. So there's a reason
Speaker 1: I don't have blood orange on hand, and it's because
Speaker 1: I don't like anything bitey, because I want a gentle
Speaker 1: hug in every sip. I'm the opposite here, and I
Speaker 1: love all of these things. But what's funny to me
Speaker 1: is that I don't really know that many people who
Speaker 1: are fans of the blood orange, even though you want
Speaker 1: to be like, everything that's made with it looks like
Speaker 1: something too. I love them well, and I occasionally will
Speaker 1: use them in cooking, but I don't tend to just
Speaker 1: have them on hand, and I my grocery store did
Speaker 1: not have them this morning when I ran over to
Speaker 1: try to test this, So that is why I have
Speaker 1: not tested this idea. Still I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's the right way to go. So that is the
Speaker 1: double trouble. And I will say, like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't tend to love campari. It's one of those things.
Speaker 1: There are lots of great cocktails made with it that
Speaker 1: people adore, and they just don't work on my palette.
Speaker 1: This was super sippable and easy. Normally, when I'm work
Speaker 1: shopping a cocktail like this, which tends to be in
Speaker 1: the morning, which is not listen, I enjoy a day
Speaker 1: drink and I usually just have a couple of SIPs
Speaker 1: and then I'm done because I'm working and we're about
Speaker 1: to go in the studio. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: stumblino when I'm trying to chat. But but this was
Speaker 1: one where I found myself. I was like typing a
Speaker 1: note to you, and I went, oh, my gosh, I
Speaker 1: have continued to drink this cocktail and I wasn't like intoxicated,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I'm surprised that I, without even
Speaker 1: thinking about it, continued to sip on a Kompari based cocktail.
Speaker 1: That's something right there. I'm finding ways to cozy up
Speaker 1: with Kompari. That's that's why I always say, I'm always
Speaker 1: trying to find ways to find things that I think
Speaker 1: I don't like and make them what I do like.
Speaker 1: That's the whole point of playing with all of these things,
Speaker 1: explore you may not know what your favorite drink is
Speaker 1: because you haven't made it yet, or just enjoy taste
Speaker 1: the rainbow as they say that too. We are so
Speaker 1: grateful that you have hung out with us and listen
Speaker 1: to this story of treason and fascinating political machinations, and
Speaker 1: we will be right back here again next week with
Speaker 1: more of the season of treason and another cocktail, so
Speaker 1: we hope to see you here. Criminalia is a production
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