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Speaker 3: Michael Berry's show is on the air. It's Charlie from

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Speaker 3: BlackBerry Smoke. I can feel a good one coming on.

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Speaker 2: It's the Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 4: Any attempt to restrict drinking and driving here is viewed

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Speaker 4: by some that's downright undemocratic.

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Speaker 3: Lugs, drax, you don't pay. Anthony felt you enough. That

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Speaker 3: man lied and people died everything they did. People died alone.

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Speaker 3: You know, every year in America, a certain number of

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Speaker 3: they die of cancer, they have a heart attack, but

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Speaker 3: they die with dignity. It's one of the things that

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Speaker 3: a very powerful moment. Because of Fauci and people like him,

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Speaker 3: them for that. Anthony Fauci began COVID by saying, don't

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Speaker 3: wear a mask. There's shmuts, you'll get on it. You know,

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Speaker 3: a mask would just trap all the snot and everything

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Speaker 3: We need everybody to be scared. And if everybody's not

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Speaker 3: why can't we do two? Okay, maybe two? What do

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Speaker 3: you do? What do you want to do? Let's do six?

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Speaker 3: Okay six. They literally just pulled it out.

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Speaker 3: So schools moved the stuff away. You would go into

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Speaker 3: signs you can stand here, and you can stand here.

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Speaker 3: It was all a joke. None of it was based

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Speaker 3: on the science. But I want you to listen here.

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Speaker 3: I want you to listen to this arrogant little bastard say,

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Speaker 3: I am the state. I am the God, you know

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Speaker 3: this is This is Henry making himself the head of

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Speaker 3: So he took the crown and placed it on his

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Speaker 3: It was just an affirmation of his own arrogance. I

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Speaker 3: want you to think about how evil this man is.

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Speaker 3: Not because it's worth your time to, you know, to

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Speaker 3: make a what do you call those things that you

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Speaker 3: because you need to understand that a lot of people

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Speaker 5: But they're really criticizing science, because I represent science.

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Speaker 3: If you're vaccinated, you really don't need to worry about

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Speaker 3: getting it in a way that's serious or transmitting it

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Speaker 3: that is true, that is correct, Chris.

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Speaker 6: They to lead to protect you completely against infection, and

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Speaker 5: Full stocksinated people are clearly capable of transmitting the infection.

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Speaker 7: I often myself wear two masks, and I'm quoting it now.

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Speaker 8: At the population level, masks work at the margins, maybe

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Speaker 8: We're seeing all of these school closures around the country.

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Speaker 1: Generally an appropriate approach. You want to start doing something

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Speaker 5: Will show Neil that we didn't recommend shutting everything down.

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Speaker 7: First of all, I didn't recommend locking anything down. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because if you look at the people that.

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Speaker 5: There's somebody that are all the way over on one level,

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Speaker 3: They don't like to be told what to do, and

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Speaker 3: we got to break that. But now is the time

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Speaker 3: to do what you're told. Where did this virus come from?

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Speaker 3: Do you think today? Did it come from a lab?

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Speaker 5: When you have the animal human interface and you have

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Speaker 5: That the NIH has not eva and does not now

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Speaker 10: Research of a virus that was studied at the Wuhan

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Speaker 7: Take an animal virus and you increase the dressability to humans.

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Speaker 3: You're saying, that's not gain the fund.

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Speaker 5: That is correct, and Senator Poull, you do not know

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Speaker 3: he is a nationally renowned expert on the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 3: how this is supposed to work. Right, Well, there's nobody

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Speaker 3: he's seventy years old. He was fifty when he came

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Speaker 2: Philie dies Really, I don't think he's ever gonna leave. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Chief Justices tend not to retire him to die in office.

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Speaker 2: I mean Chief Justice Warrant retired early. But that's that's

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Speaker 2: I think Rank was one. I'm sorry. Roberts quite like

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Speaker 2: I think Chief Justice Roberts has had a plan, he

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Speaker 2: So maybe I'll make up some new rule that also

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Speaker 3: If you dare kid cassible for President Trump to get

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Speaker 2: Now you're you're absolutely right. I mean, it always makes

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Speaker 2: of my first choice, my second choice, or my tenth choice.

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Speaker 2: But I think he was needed to get Kennedy to retire.

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Speaker 2: And I think when you look at that, it was

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Speaker 2: a necessary act to do because had Trump not replaced

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Speaker 2: with Kennedy, then you know, in hindsight, Trump didem in

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Speaker 2: re election. That's he have gone to the Dems. And

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Speaker 2: if Ginsberg hat held on to a few months, that's

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Speaker 2: he gone to the Dems and he lose the court.

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Speaker 2: So I give it there. Kavanaugh. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: profoundly conservative man. I think his sort of hang up

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Speaker 2: is is he does worry about how the Court's perceived,

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Speaker 2: and he's worried about how things were viewed. He often

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Speaker 2: writes these separate occurrences where he source says, well, we

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Speaker 2: want to make sure both sides feel loved, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying to hurt anyone, and everyone's just.

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Speaker 3: He's a bushy. I mean, he's a bushy, and he's

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Speaker 3: he's really then administrative staff instead of a deep thinker.

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Speaker 2: I think he's actually quite I think he's quite smart,

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Speaker 2: but I think he's sort of held back by his

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Speaker 2: bushes and you know, the compassionate conservative, remember that that

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Speaker 2: that that mantra. He believes that, and he actually thinks

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Speaker 2: way that George would be Bush thinks, and which is

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Speaker 2: why I think he's probably not a lover of Trump.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you watch the Press confidence

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Speaker 2: where Kavanaugh and Trump comes out, Cavana is trying to

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Speaker 2: be really friendly to Trump. But you know, you know

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Speaker 2: he wants Jeb. He doesn't want Sorge, of course Trump.

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Speaker 3: He wants Jeb because he wants a Jeb or a

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Speaker 3: Mitt Romney because they're proper and he he likes things

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Speaker 3: to be proper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Kavana again has had some very good opinions.

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Speaker 2: He I think he's Kavana rules the right way in

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Speaker 2: most cases. Then he writes that thing loots. It's a

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Speaker 2: very weird thing. He rarely cast a vote. I can criticize,

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Speaker 2: but when he writes something, it's always a sort of

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Speaker 2: Mishi mosh, watering things down. I won't go as far

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Speaker 2: as Justice Thomas will go. I'll go halfway. And that's

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Speaker 2: where he got it.

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Speaker 3: He Professor Josh Blackman's can you hang with me for

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Speaker 3: just a few more minutes? First jobs would use that

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Speaker 3: tone to me, not a joke.

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Speaker 7: That's sarcastic, contemptuous tone that means you know everything because

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Speaker 7: you're a man, and I know nothing because I'm a woman.

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Speaker 3: That is not a joke. That is a natural fact

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Speaker 3: that Michael Joe.

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Speaker 11: Professor Josh Blackman of the South Texas College of Law

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Speaker 11: and Esteemed Law School located in Houston, renowned under the

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Speaker 11: former tutelage.

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Speaker 3: Of the Dean of the Law school, who was a

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Speaker 3: dear friend of mine named Gerald Trece. Gerald Trees was

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Speaker 3: a legend in Texas law and in Texas law education.

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Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, I went to the Universe I went to

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Speaker 3: University of Texas School of Law, the greatest law school

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Speaker 3: in the country. My wife went to the University of

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Speaker 3: Houston School of Law, and those are fantastic law schools.

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Speaker 3: But I will tell you that for anyone who wants

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Speaker 3: to be a room litigator, South Texas College of Law

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Speaker 3: is as good as any in the country. They often

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Speaker 3: win the national championship, and they they birth and throw

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Speaker 3: out into the legal world folks who file lawsuits or

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Speaker 3: defend lawsuits, and they're darn good at It's very, very

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Speaker 3: well respected law school. And if you don't know them,

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Speaker 3: just take my word for it on this. And that

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Speaker 3: is the South Texas College of Law, where Professor Josh

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Speaker 3: Blackman is on faculty and beloved. Let's move next to

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Speaker 3: the most disappointing for me. Republicans are appoint, nominated, and

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Speaker 3: confirmed member, and that is Ruth Bader Ginsburg's replacement, who

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Speaker 3: President Trump put on the Court in a fifty two

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Speaker 3: to forty eight ruling. She was forty eight years old

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Speaker 3: at the time. She's now fifty three. Originally from New Orleans, Louisiana.

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Speaker 3: Amy Coney Barrett, your thoughts on her again, I think

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Speaker 3: you have to see.

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Speaker 2: Justice Barrett as an emergency pick in a way, right,

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Speaker 2: Kinsdrick died in September of twenty twenty, like two months

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Speaker 2: for the election. Trump had to pick someone those are

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Speaker 2: even vetted that he knew, and it was a woman.

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Speaker 2: There was just no way. There was no way to

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Speaker 2: avoid that. He had to pick a woman who had

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Speaker 2: been vetted, and he had picked there for the Quarter

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Speaker 2: Appeals only a couple of years early. She's been a

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Speaker 2: judge forbe a year and a half, two years, not

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Speaker 2: very long. So the second Kinsdrick died, this was a

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Speaker 2: done deal, right, no one else had it was hers.

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Speaker 2: The problem though, is that Barrett was sort of put

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Speaker 2: in the shortlist way too early. They put her on

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Speaker 2: the shortlist of the Supreme Court before she even cided

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Speaker 2: a single case as the lower Court judge. The fix

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Speaker 2: was in. They knew it was her. I think the

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Speaker 2: reason why is you look her. She's just very charismatic,

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Speaker 2: you know, friendly, devoutly Catholic woman with many kids. She

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Speaker 2: adopted these Haitian children, who you know, she's raised as

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Speaker 2: her own, and she's as a mom. I love her

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Speaker 2: like I wish I could be a parent like her.

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Speaker 2: I mean that sincerely. She her parenting tip I think

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Speaker 2: actually extremely useful. But as a judge, the track record,

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Speaker 2: and before she was a judge, I was a law professor,

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Speaker 2: and frankly she didn't write very much. She didn't write

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Speaker 2: things on controversial topics. She just wrote sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: mundane stuff, how to reach statues and how to run

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Speaker 2: fiddle courts, nothing particularly difficult. But I think people said, oh,

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Speaker 2: of course this is me, the next Scalia. We got

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Speaker 2: to pasisically, but the next game.

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Speaker 3: And she's pro liant and I just like Mike pins

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Speaker 3: if you're sufficiently pro life, you must think the way

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Speaker 3: I do. But she doesn't. And this is where the

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Speaker 3: pro life folks get get in trouble. I'm pro life,

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Speaker 3: but there are other issues. I don't want Mike Pince

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Speaker 3: to be president just because he's the most you know,

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Speaker 3: openly pro life, pro life constantly. There are other issues

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Speaker 3: where we have to win anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: That's a bit of a ramp. No, that's right. And

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Speaker 2: in fact she never said a word. She never said

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Speaker 2: a word about Roevie Wade, not not a peep. In fact,

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Speaker 2: at a church she wants sign a petition thinking Rovi

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Speaker 2: Wai overruled. And what happens is, oh, I just find

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Speaker 2: of said it was signing. She backed away from it.

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Speaker 2: She she's avoided controversy her entire life. She just hasn't

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Speaker 2: leaned into controversy. So she gets to the court, she

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Speaker 2: again leeds away from controversy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the problem with that is you're put in

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Speaker 3: a position where you have to take a stand if

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Speaker 3: a police if you and I get in a fight

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Speaker 3: and I've got a knife and you don't, and you go, hey, officer,

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Speaker 3: can you help me out here?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't have to get in between things. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's the problem because that's kind of your job. That's

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Speaker 3: kind of your job. Fella. All right, let's go, let's

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Speaker 3: go to our Democrat nominated judges and we'll go in

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Speaker 3: reverse order. And that is the only one that Biden

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Speaker 3: put on the court, and she took Justice Brier's position,

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Speaker 3: and that was Katanji Brown Jackson fifty two at that time.

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Speaker 3: She's now fifty four, and in a fifty three to

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Speaker 3: forty seven vote, she was confirmed. Your thoughts on her

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Speaker 3: in her short tenure.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think she's been a pretty predictable or

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Speaker 2: liberal liberal. I think her most notorious fast as she

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Speaker 2: talks a lot. They do these sort of graphs of

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Speaker 2: what percentage of the time he's Justice talks and Jackson

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Speaker 2: just blows everyone else. But she talks more than anyone else,

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Speaker 2: just lots of words are uttered. She definitely has an agenda.

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Speaker 2: She's trying to push her in issues about the government

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Speaker 2: and how the governments acting is fairly. She hasn't had

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Speaker 2: much an influence yet. She hasn't read any big opinions,

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Speaker 2: but she probably won't ever for a career because she

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Speaker 2: always be in dissent. So I think she's just content

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Speaker 2: to her just make her points and right which ones

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Speaker 2: are right, but not much of a not much of

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Speaker 2: an impact on the world.

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Speaker 3: I have two more I want to get to and

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Speaker 3: they are the only two Obama nominees. And first is

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Speaker 3: Alana Kagan, who replaced Justice Stevens. She was fifty at

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Speaker 3: the time, he is now sixty four. Your thoughts on

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Speaker 3: Alna Kagan?

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Speaker 2: Kagan is smart, She's wicked smart. She was the dean

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Speaker 2: at the Harvard Law School, and as being at the

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Speaker 2: Harvard Law School, she knows how to deal with people

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Speaker 2: and deal people with ego. She can negotiate you can

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Speaker 2: massage ego. She can persuade people very easily. In fact,

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Speaker 2: when President about put her on the Court, it was

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Speaker 2: to put someone to persuade Justin Kennedy, and I think

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Speaker 2: going to sort of figure out her roles to just

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Speaker 2: sort of persuade John Roberts and persuade Ammy Barrett to

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Speaker 2: just do things that are liberal. Think the court seem

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Speaker 2: better that that's her best, her only mission. She can't

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Speaker 2: cast two votes, but she can persuade others to cast

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Speaker 2: a vote with her. I think she's done that very

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Speaker 2: effective over the years. But she's wicked smart.

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Speaker 3: Interesting for you to say that that means she must be.

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Speaker 3: How about the wise Latina Sonya Sotomayor, who replaced Justice suitor,

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Speaker 3: who was fifty five at the time. She's now seventy.

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Speaker 3: She was the first of Barack Obama's two nominees.

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Speaker 2: I think just smily Or brings different perspectives. She was

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Speaker 2: a criminal defense attorney, she was a trial judge, she

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Speaker 2: was a criminal prosecutor. She was a trial judge, so

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Speaker 2: she's a definite sense of how trials should operate, how

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Speaker 2: law should operate. I think her biggest impact has not

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Speaker 2: been on the course been off the court, She's had

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Speaker 2: lots of books. She writes, these children's stories, she tells

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Speaker 2: her to biography. She inspires a lot of people, but

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Speaker 2: her juris potential impact has been pretty slight. I'd have

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Speaker 2: to think hard to think of five opinions she wrote

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Speaker 2: that actually that matter. Just there's not much. But I

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Speaker 2: think she's been a very inspirational pick for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. But that's mostly stuff she's done off the court.

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Speaker 3: On the court, all right, I got about a minute

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Speaker 3: and a half. Why don't you just rattle off the

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Speaker 3: big issues that are hovering out there that we could

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Speaker 3: expect the Supreme Court to rule on that will matter

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Speaker 3: to us.

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Speaker 2: Right, The biggest issue right now is how they handled

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Speaker 2: Trump as a whole. Right during the Rosalt presidency of

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court initially pushed back against the results they

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Speaker 2: ruled against him, but then after some a while the said, okay,

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Speaker 2: never mind, we're going to go along with the program.

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Speaker 2: I think you're the first Trump administration. They ruled against

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Speaker 2: him pretty consistently for conservative court. The question today eventually

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Speaker 2: flipped do they keep pushing against Trump? And they realized, okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, he had some points he's making arguments that

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Speaker 2: we've made before, and I think we served get along

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Speaker 2: with the program. So I think a lot we'd decide

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Speaker 2: the next a year or two about how they deal

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Speaker 2: with Trump, and if it's not Trump, but we maybe

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Speaker 2: jade vance for four or eight more years, and eventually

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Speaker 2: the Court will have to sort of see that the

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Speaker 2: nation's shifting and these sort of settlements we had after

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Speaker 2: World War Two and the sixties and seventies, those settlements

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Speaker 2: are not holding anymore.

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Speaker 3: Professor Josh Blackman, as always a pleasure to have you

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Speaker 3: on and share your thoughts on Supreme Court and other

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Speaker 3: Court rulings. Always a pleasure, Thank you so much. And

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Speaker 3: with that we wrap for the day, and well at

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Speaker 3: least for this show. At least for this show. And

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Speaker 3: a reminder, if you ever miss any part of the show,

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Speaker 3: you can always hear it in full on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: We send out a link to some of our bits

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Speaker 3: every morning in between the Morning Show and this show,

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Speaker 3: which you can find easily. You can sign up for

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Speaker 3: that at Michael Berryshow dot com. You can also email

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Speaker 3: me directly through there, and yes I do read every email.

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Speaker 3: I just can't respond to every email. That would be crazy,

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Speaker 3: or you can follow us on Facebook. I post. I'm

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Speaker 3: only one who posts on our Twitter page. And I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to get somebody else on the team to help

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Speaker 3: me out and do the Instagram pages. I'm not very

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Speaker 3: good at it, but I haven't found anyone who will

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Speaker 3: suffer enough to do it yet. We'll see.

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Speaker 5: Hey, jellmen, Elvis has luck good today, Thank you, and

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Speaker 5: good nightsh