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Speaker 2: Coming up after Dever's three thirty news Here on KFI,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk with Todd Bensman here. He is

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Speaker 2: a journalist who has been stationed at the border covering

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Speaker 2: just unbelievable experiences. And he's got another one. Todd writes

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Speaker 2: for many publications. This particular piece was in the Daily Mail.

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Speaker 2: He's also affiliated with the Center for Immigration Studies and

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Speaker 2: he's provided a lot of first person coverage to us

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Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. He was near the

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Speaker 2: town of Buarez, which is right where New Mexico, Texas

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Speaker 2: and Mexico come together, and they came face to face

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Speaker 2: with drug cartel operatives as they were trying to film

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Speaker 2: some of the bad guys climbing over the border fence.

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's quite a story. Let's get todt on here.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Hey, great to be here. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a thriller of the story here. So

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Speaker 2: you and you and your you have a colleague with you, right,

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Speaker 2: and you're you're trying.

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Speaker 3: To I use a translator when I'm down in Mexico and.

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Speaker 2: You're driving along on a road parallel to the US

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Speaker 2: border and you encounter these, uh, these migrants climbing the fence.

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Speaker 2: Just describe your experiences and describe your encounters with drug

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Speaker 2: cartel employees.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and it happens. You don't ever want it to happen,

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Speaker 3: but it does happen if you're if you're reporting in

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Speaker 3: their in the heart of their business terror, And that's

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Speaker 3: what this was. It's about an eight mile stretch of

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Speaker 3: old wall from the Bush era. It's kind of like

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Speaker 3: the steel mesh, and it's mostly across from New Mexico.

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Speaker 3: So when you drive through there, you can see holes

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Speaker 3: cut all the way from like all eight miles as

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Speaker 3: about thousands of holes cut into it and repaired. And

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Speaker 3: that's obviously a major source of what we call runners

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Speaker 3: and got aways into the United States. And if you

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Speaker 3: really want to understand at least half of the border crisis,

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Speaker 3: you have to also cover the runners, not the ones

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Speaker 3: that just turn themselves in, as many hundreds of thousands do,

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Speaker 3: but many millions more are running into the gaps that

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Speaker 3: are left vacant by border patrol. Anyway, that's what this was,

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Speaker 3: and so I wanted to go see what was happening.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of every single day are being seen crossing in

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Speaker 3: and over and through this particular stretch of wall. It's

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Speaker 3: very very busy, heavily concentrated. So there's probably a pretty

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Speaker 3: good chance that we were going to run into some

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Speaker 3: bad guys. And sure enough, there's some a group climbing,

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Speaker 3: five of them, you know, climbing over and we spotted

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Speaker 3: them and I said, pull over. Let's let's film them

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Speaker 3: and see if we could talk to them as they're

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Speaker 3: going over. And they're going over, and at first they

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Speaker 3: didn't want to go over because they didn't know who

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Speaker 3: we were, and we said, well, we're Pattiodiste's journalists. Just

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Speaker 3: do what you were going to do. We're not going

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Speaker 3: to capture you or something or interfere. It's not our business.

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Speaker 3: And so we were watching them and filming them as

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Speaker 3: out of the desert and our car and they're accusing

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Speaker 3: us of being rival smugglers. Who brought these guys there.

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Speaker 1: And didn't pay.

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Speaker 3: So they were like, you know, you're going to have

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Speaker 3: my translator is like, no, no, no, no, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're two journalists here. We didn't bring them here. We

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Speaker 3: don't know you anything. We're just filming them and there

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Speaker 3: we had to show some video that we were and

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Speaker 3: they had guns, well one of them had that we

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Speaker 3: accept the story that we gave them and then said, well,

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Speaker 3: we're going to have to you need to not film

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Speaker 3: what we're about to do next, which is to enforce

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Speaker 3: on these guys that were climbing up the wall. Still

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Speaker 3: three of them had already run off on the New

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Speaker 2: What were they What were they going to do to

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, it probably beat them up or if they

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Speaker 3: just never know what these guys there, you know, these

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Speaker 2: You know, well take a shoot you dead right there,

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Speaker 2: or take you in the car and dump your body somewhere,

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Speaker 2: and there are no consequences for that right now, they

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess if they killed me, they'd probably be

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Speaker 3: a little bit more because it's an American who's kind

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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have taken any comfort in that because I'd.

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Speaker 1: Be dead now.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, these guys climbing the stands, I mean, obviously you

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Speaker 2: can go to any traditional checkpoint and you're going to

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Speaker 2: be let into the United States. So the ones climbing

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Speaker 2: the fence or sneaking, sneaking through to America, a lot

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Speaker 2: of these gentlemen are bad guys. They've got criminal records there.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. That's that's why this is such an

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Speaker 3: important element of the overall border crisis that I think

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Speaker 3: it's lost. Most people just see the thousands of immigrants

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Speaker 3: They're looking for border patrol because the policy from Washington

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Speaker 3: them directly in in a day or two. So that's

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Speaker 3: what most Americans are familiar with. They are not going

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Speaker 3: to have criminal histories that are easy to find anyway.

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Speaker 3: They know that they're going to probably pass a database check.

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Speaker 3: But if you know that you are not going to

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Speaker 3: pass a database check, that you're you've been in the

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Speaker 3: US before and you've been convicted of something in you

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Speaker 3: your fingerprints are on file. Your only way in, your

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Speaker 3: only way in is if you pay the cartels and

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Speaker 3: and hide and dodge UH and then that's what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Most of the ones that are that are running are

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Speaker 3: going to be criminals. They're going to be people with

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Speaker 3: you name it, and uh, that's how they get in.

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Speaker 3: They want to they want to come back. They always

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Speaker 3: want to come back after the deportations. If you if

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And most of them stay away. But in this policy environment, uh,

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Speaker 3: this per missive policy environment where border patrol is too

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Speaker 3: all the ones that gave themselves up. It's like a

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Speaker 3: beautiful opportunity for them to come in. And they are

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Speaker 3: coming in. Almost two million runners who have become god

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Speaker 3: aways that we've never caught. We know that they cross

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Speaker 3: by video or footprints in the sand, or a drone

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Speaker 3: million of them have gotten into the country millions, and

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Speaker 3: that two million runners have become god aways and.

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Speaker 2: Two million individuals. These are not individuals, These are individuals.

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Speaker 2: Two million are in the country and they went out

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Speaker 3: Hide from themselves in like everybody else, because obviously we

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Speaker 3: we definitely to pour them. Right. Even this administration will

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Speaker 3: deport a rapist who's been convicted. But you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: you know, but but there you especially, so these guys

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Speaker 3: are crossing in New Mexico, Well that's interesting. That's that's

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Speaker 3: why that's such a busy crossing point for it, for runners,

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Speaker 3: is because that's a democratic governor over there who refuses

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Speaker 3: unlike Texas.

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Speaker 2: Yea, that governor is happy if murderers, rapists, child molesters

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Speaker 1: They're okay with.

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Speaker 3: It, absolutely no, absolutely, no problem with it none, or

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Speaker 3: they would be doing what Greg Abbott does, which is

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Speaker 3: to stop, block, catch them the term, do whatever they

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Speaker 3: are off dueing the processing. You'd have New Mexican state

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Speaker 3: police down there. But this wall is all across from

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Speaker 3: New Mexico on purpose. This is the hot spot for

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Speaker 3: this because there's nobody over there. There's a few border

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Speaker 3: look at read my piece, I you know I ran

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Speaker 3: across a welder, a worker who's a federal contractor. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I just put a video up on my ex account

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Speaker 3: of this guy short clip and he's welding a hole

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Speaker 3: I interviewed him, and he says he puts, he puts,

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Speaker 3: it fills about twelve holes a day, and he says,

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Speaker 3: it's this never ending hamster wheel of him welding and

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Speaker 3: he's welding them shut, they're a quarter of a mile away,

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Speaker 3: you know, cutting a new one. And it's just this

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Speaker 3: NonStop cutting and repairing and cutting and repairing that you

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Speaker 3: can never get ahead of on this wall because it's

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Speaker 3: New Mexico across there and there's nobody over there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is so nuts. Todd.

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Speaker 2: I've got to go. Thank you for coming on again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd Benzman And you can read his piece

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Speaker 2: at the Daily Mail Cartel Secrets Exposed. He affiliated with

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Speaker 2: the Center for Immigration Studies, writes for many publications, and

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Speaker 2: he's written books on this.

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Speaker 1: More coming up.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 4: six forty.

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Speaker 1: Coming up after two thirty.

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Speaker 2: How about you're tootling along the roadway, maybe you're going

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Speaker 2: a little too fast, maybe roll through a stop sign.

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Speaker 2: You get pulled over by a civilian who wants to

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Speaker 2: give you a ticket. A civilian, not a cop, you know,

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Speaker 2: an unarmed civilian. Michael Monks with with this particular story

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Speaker 2: coming up. This is another City of Los Angeles project,

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Speaker 2: and it never knows. Well, we both know how much

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Speaker 2: we enjoy all the people who don't show up.

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Speaker 1: For work anymore, especially Fridays.

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Speaker 2: People who call in while riding their bike, checking to

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Speaker 2: see if things are going well. Well, here's this news story.

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Speaker 2: Richard Branson. He's got a cruise line. It's called Virgin

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Speaker 2: Voyages and he owns Virgin Airlines. And it's a four

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Speaker 2: week cruises so remote workers can spend a month at

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Speaker 2: sea in Southern Europe. What yes, it's called the Scarlet

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Speaker 2: Summer Season. Pass two people about ten thousand dollars. You

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Speaker 2: get a room, meals, fitness classes, Wi Fi, laundry services,

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Speaker 2: and all the other normal things. It's a package deal.

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Speaker 2: It's thirty percent cheaper than booking four separate weeks. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that guy calling in to see how things

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Speaker 2: Within twenty four hours, more than two thousand of these

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Speaker 2: And we're actually have to attract the listeners right right,

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Speaker 5: They're gonna that's that's tough with that time difference.

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Speaker 5: Life is not fair.

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Speaker 2: No no, uh and you know it's an adult's only

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Speaker 2: we're going to test that out, I guess in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Gonna find out the details from Michael Monks CAFI News.

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Speaker 4: Next, you're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI

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Speaker 4: AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: Michael Monks is here from KFI News.

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Speaker 1: Are you here? Now?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to explain this. I don't entirely understand

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Speaker 6: Honestly, if you look at it the way that we've

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Speaker 6: I'm going to get And I don't want you to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's also the first thing where the city

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Speaker 2: Anybody except an officer with a gun. Right, this is different.

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Speaker 2: This is what this will work out.

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Speaker 6: For non moving violations and for like equipment violations related

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Speaker 6: What it looks like is why, let's take it back

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Speaker 1: What's the store?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 6: No, because your confusion is completely legit. I feel it.

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Speaker 6: And again I want to reiterate, the task force that

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Speaker 6: A little bit of government sausage making here. The city

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Speaker 6: Council as a task force to examine an alternative transportation

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Speaker 1: Care based I don't know what that means. They're going

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Speaker 6: You know why, because they think instead of getting a

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Speaker 6: No, I want you to pay too, Well, right now,

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Speaker 6: This is a suggestion, and this is communist so and

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Speaker 6: What does that mean, Well, it might mean something like

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Speaker 6: And then the other recommendation is, quote, identify local obstacles

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Speaker 2: Some joker pulls me over and he's got a problem

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Speaker 1: We heard from the LAPD on this case.

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Speaker 6: Assistant Chief Don Graham said that this might not be safe.

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Speaker 2: A lot of bad guys have broken down cars that

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Speaker 2: All right, there's a reason people get pulled over and

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Speaker 6: There's certainly training involved in policing on how to pull

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Speaker 2: He has a gun and I don't. He's got a

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Speaker 6: Well, the question that was raised in this committee meeting,

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Speaker 6: Because here's how this is going to work, John, This

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Speaker 6: They'll they'll weigh in on it, and then they'll shoot

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Speaker 1: This, which are they going to have the legal authority

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Speaker 6: It doesn't sound like they will have the legal authority

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Speaker 1: Is the question.

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Speaker 6: And if they can't answer no, then this program could

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Speaker 6: What I learned from the folks who were served on

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Speaker 6: And it will be to be seen whether the city

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Speaker 2: Either you committed the crime or you didn't. And I'm

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Speaker 2: sick of hearing these these racial arguments. It's like, are

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Speaker 2: they guilty, are they not guilty? That's all that matters.

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Speaker 2: Their skin color or their ethnicity or anything else has

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Speaker 6: I think what this task force said was that there's

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Speaker 6: Then say a white person, based on history, she was

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Speaker 1: No one not freaking out.

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Speaker 6: One that was clear in this report too, is that

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Speaker 6: everybody's nervous when you get pulled over, including the policemen.

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Speaker 6: But the the policeman is often, you know, as we

442
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 6: heard from the police in this argument today, the police

443
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 6: are concerned about what's happening too, because it could be

444
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Speaker 6: an unsafe environment.

445
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Speaker 1: For all.

446
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Speaker 2: You have meter maids pulling me over. I'm not getting

447
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: pulled over. You can go chase me now, I'd rather

448
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: be on Channel five news. That sounds like a confession, Yeah,

449
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: pre confession.

450
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, you'll know, you'll see me, all right, Michael,

451
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: very good. Thanks John.

452
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Apparently you're the only guy who understands this stuff. That's

453
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Speaker 2: two this week that you had I didn't understand. Is

454
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 2: this your new beat? Napp to try to translate in

455
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Speaker 2: comprehensible legislation.

456
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Speaker 1: Ask forces all right.

457
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Speaker 2: Now coming up after three o'clock. We got quite an

458
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Speaker 2: hour At three o'clock. We're supposed to have Mark Closs on.

459
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: Did you hear him yesterday? We had him on for

460
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: half an hour. Mark class is Polycloss's dad. Polycloss was

461
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: killed back in nineteen ninety three. One of the earliest

462
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: news stories we covered. Twelve years old kidnapped. She was

463
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Speaker 2: hosting a sleepover slumber party with her friends, and Richard

464
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: Allen Davis, who's now sixty nine years old, came in

465
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Speaker 2: and put pillowcases over the girl's heads, dragged Polly off,

466
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Speaker 2: and raped and murdered her, and dumped her body along

467
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Speaker 2: the side of the road, covered it up with plywood,

468
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Speaker 2: and she lay there for two months until police discovered

469
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Speaker 2: her and eventually arrested Davis, who'd already committed horrible crimes

470
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: years before, and was let out because of bad policies

471
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Speaker 2: that Jerry Brown instituted the first time the California idiot

472
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: voters made him governor back in the nineteen seventies. This

473
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: crap's been going on for fifty years between him and

474
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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom. Anyway, Richard Allen Davis was sentenced to death.

475
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: He has not been executed, And today he was supposed

476
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Speaker 2: to be in court because Newsom signed to Bill. So

477
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: a guy like Richard Allen Davis can get a re

478
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Speaker 2: sentencing hearing and officially wipe out his death sentence. What

479
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Speaker 2: would replace it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

481
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: This is all new, this stuff, and we're gonna have

482
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: Mark Klassan. He was supposed to be at the at

483
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: the hearing today. He was on with us yesterday for

484
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: about half an hour, just absolutely out of his mind, angry.

485
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: And I don't know what's wrong with you people. I

486
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: don't know why you vote for guys like Newsome. You know,

487
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: if he's not driving fast food franchise, he's out of business.

488
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: He's oh, you know, he's pulling everybody off death row.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I got a story about Newsom too that I want

491
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Speaker 2: to do in the next segment. Do you know he's

492
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: led people to believe that he was a star college

493
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: baseball player, nearly drafted by the Texas Rangers, and he

494
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: never played a single varsity baseball game. Cal Matters, which

495
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: is a political news site. I couldn't believe this story.

496
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: And for twenty years he's been letting people believe that

497
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: he You know, there are frauds to and this. This

498
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: guy is a Hall of Famer when it comes to fraud.

499
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: But you know, keep voting for him. I'll tell you

500
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: about Newsom's fake baseball.

501
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 5: Career troll damage to subways, buildings and other areas. Apple

502
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 5: is laying off more than six hundred workers across the state.

503
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 5: The company notified employees that layoffs would start May twenty seventh,

504
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 5: and the next Powerball Jackpots Saturday Night continues to grow.

505
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 5: It's now estimated at one point three billion dollars after

506
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 5: no one has matched the winning numbers since January. First,

507
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: we're going to see how your drive is looking on

508
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: the fifty seven and.

509
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM six.

510
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: Forty after three o'clock, Mark Class will come on with again,

511
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: on with us again.

512
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: He's Polly's father.

513
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 2: She was killed thirty years ago by Richard Allen Davis,

514
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: a brutal rape and murder of a twelve year old,

515
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: and Davis earned a hearing to get his death penalty

516
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: conviction resentenced because of Gavin Newsom's sign up a new

517
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: disgusting law that opens a door for Richard Allen Davis

518
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: after what he did to Polly. But hey, you know

519
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: what Newsom is that kind of guy. He's the kind

520
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: of guy who lies and misleads people about his college

521
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: baseball career.

522
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Now, I love baseball.

523
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Some plays college baseball and it's a difficult business. And

524
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, over the last twenty years has basked in

525
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: unearned glory for being a college baseball player. Of note,

526
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: let me just tell the story and you'll see how

527
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: gregeous this is. He is such a phony. Let's go

528
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: back twenty years. San Francisco Giants they're having their home

529
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: opener two thousand and four, and they invited a special

530
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: guest to throw out the first pitch. The story, by

531
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: the way, is in cal Matters. The special guest is

532
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, new mayor of San Francisco, had just gotten elected.

533
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: He went to the Pictures Mound wearing his dress shoes

534
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: and a button down shirt underneath his Giants Jersey, and

535
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: the announcer informed the crowd that he played first base

536
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: for the University of Santa Clara and was drafted by

537
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: the Texas Rangers. Now, any decent person would say, no, no, no, no,

538
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: that didn't happen. None of that is true. No Newsom,

539
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: let it stand. So the whole Giants crowd, many of

540
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: whom voted for Newsom and probably thought he was a

541
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: handsome hunt.

542
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: They all plotted.

543
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: So Newsom threw the pitch and nearly hit a photographer

544
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: with the ball, almost wiped the guy out.

545
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: In the stands.

546
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: That day, a group of former Santa Clara University baseball

547
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: players who were seething Newsom get this. Never played a

548
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: game for Santa Clara.

549
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: Never.

550
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: He was never on the varsity roster. It's not that

551
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: he was on the bench. It's not that he was

552
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: stuck in the bullpen. He was never on the varsity roster,

553
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 2: not one game. Here's the story. His dad again, William Newsom,

554
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: was a San Francisco judge and a financial advisor to

555
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: the Getties, the wealthy oil family. See Newsom used to

556
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: tell this story that he was headed to community college

557
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: until he got a call from Santa Clara, the baseball coaches.

558
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: He got a partial scholarship and it changed his life.

559
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: And you lead he leads people to believe that he

560
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: had this cool baseball career, almost got drafted by the

561
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Texas Rangers. Well, it was actually arranged by William Newsom,

562
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: his dad and the Gettys. One of William Newston's friends

563
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: connected Newsom to the baseball.

564
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: Program, and.

565
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: One of the Getties was on the board of regents,

566
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: wrote him a record a record of a letter of recommendation.

567
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: Mike Cummins, the former assistant coach at Santa Clara, said

568
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: the governor has embellished his baseball career a little bit

569
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: at times, a little bit.

570
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: Never played a single fing game.

571
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: Cummins is now the head baseball coach at cal State

572
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: East Bay, said that Newsom never played in the varsity game.

573
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 2: He may have played some scrimmages. He's embellished. It's half truths.

574
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: He was recruited Santa Clara, he was there in the fall,

575
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: but he never played. He didn't have a varsity career there.

576
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Apparently what he did was he played in some false

577
00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: scrimmages freshman and sophomore year, but it was never never

578
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: played in the springtime.

579
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: That was it.

580
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: Kevin Schneider, who pitched for two seasons at Santa Clara,

581
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: said he didn't earn it. He didn't earn the right

582
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: to say it. I worked my ass off, so did

583
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: everyone else on the team. For him to go all

584
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: these years to say he did something that he didn't,

585
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 2: that takes not just talent, but also dedication and effort

586
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: and sacrifice, it is not right. He only played during

587
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: the fall tryouts for his freshman and sophomore years, then

588
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: he would leave the baseball program before the regular season began.

589
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: He does not appear on the Santa Clara Broncos all

590
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: time roster. He does not appear in any immedia guys

591
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: publish any media guides published by the athletic department when

592
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: they preview the upcoming season. So he was never on

593
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: the Santa Clara baseball team and never played during the seasons.

594
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: He did fall tryouts and he probably sucked and they

595
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: cut him because in the fall is where they do

596
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: the evaluations and then you're told to go home. He

597
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: led people to believe that the Texas Rangers either drafted him,

598
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: recruited him somehow showed interest. K Newsome Apparently it was

599
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: among hundreds of high school players across the country that

600
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: the Rangers looked at while preparing their annual amateur draft.

601
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 2: Former scouts said, we did watch him play in high school,

602
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: but we don't remember specifically scouting him.

603
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: What happens is the scouts go to.

604
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: Games and they're usually interested in a couple of standout players,

605
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: but they keep their eye on everybody else to see, Hey,

606
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, maybe there's a surprise year, maybe there's someone

607
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard of who will impress. Newsom was never

608
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: that guy.

609
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: He said.

610
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: Major league teams are very thorough and scout in California,

611
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 2: and it's likely there were several players on this particular

612
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: high school team that our scouts had interested in seeing.

613
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: But at one time one scout may have come up

614
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: to him and introduced himself and Newsom there. Somehow that

615
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: got turned in too. He got drafted by the Texas Rangers.

616
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: He's his scholarship was five hundred dollars.

617
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Is this right here?

618
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on the Judi varsity team. He got

619
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars during the fall quarter of his freshman year.

620
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: And Newsom's now the attendance the tuition at Santa Clara

621
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: that year was ten and fifty one dollars, so he

622
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: got five hundred bucks. That would be a five percent scholarship.

623
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: He got letters of recommendation from former governor Jerry Brown. Oh,

624
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: he's the guy who enabled Richard Allen Davis to run

625
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: around free to begin with. In fact, Jerry Brown appointed

626
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: Kevin Husom's father to the Superior Court and to the

627
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: Court of Appeal.

628
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: That's disgusting he had.

629
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: He should be you know, he can't feel shamed because

630
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: he's a sociopath, but he should be ashamed of himself

631
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: running around all these years pretending that he was a

632
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: high school baseball star.

633
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: He was at Santa Clara. He was a star.

634
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: You have to be a star if you're gonna get

635
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: drafted by the Texas Rangers. And he'll let the announcer

636
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: announce that on opening day for the San Francisco Giants

637
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: while he's standing on the mound throwing out the first

638
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: ball and nearly killing a photographer.

639
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: I am offended. I'm so sorry.

640
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: I know this.

641
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: It's you know, no, it does. It's hard.

642
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to succeed in baseball, and isn't isn't

643
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: it classic though for a guy like Newsom stolen valor

644
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: they call it in the military.

645
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: When somebody yep.

646
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: But so many people they have these inflated egos and

647
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 5: they have to inflate stuff about them that just kind of.

648
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's this is what, this is what insecure. See,

649
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: he knows on some level, he knows he's a fake.

650
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: He's like this cardboard cutout who got this because his

651
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: dad was influential, The Getties were rich, and between his

652
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: dad and the Getties, they set them up in business

653
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: so he could have his plump jerk winery and the restaurants.

654
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: And he was a good looking guy, and he Brown

655
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: knowsed Willie Brown, and he got himself into the system.

656
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: And now he spouts all this left wing progressive nonsense.

657
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: But he's been given power. And next thing you know,

658
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: Richard Allen Davis is up for a hearing to get

659
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: resentenced after raping brutally and murdering brutally Polycloss. Which is

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Speaker 2: the next chapter here in the Newsome case, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have Mark class Polly's dad on because can't believe it,

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Speaker 2: we had them on for a half hour yesterday. Thirty

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Speaker 2: years later, there's the Richard Allen Davis story. He should

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Speaker 2: have been long dead, He should have been long executed?

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Speaker 2: All right, Mark class coming up.

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Speaker 6: Next, And people have died in these illegal street races

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Speaker 6: involving cars and crowds. Assembly Bill thirty eighty five would

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Speaker 6: increase penalties for participants, and the LA City Council adopted

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Speaker 6: a resolution in support of it. It's sponsored by Democratic

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Speaker 6: Assemblyman Mike Gibson and al Maritsucci of the South Bay area.

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Speaker 6: The bill would allow cars to be impounded and forfeited

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Speaker 6: even if the driver isn't arrested, and would require defendants,

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Speaker 6: if convicted, to attend a victim impact program. The city

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Speaker 6: Council voted ten to two. Michael Monks KFI News.

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