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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty five, and today on the show, we're joined

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Speaker 1: by Alex Gilstrom and Cody Butler of dream Chaser's TV

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Speaker 1: to talk late season hunting strategies, advice for hunting a

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Speaker 1: single deer, and mobile hunting tactics. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx,

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Speaker 1: and today we're gonna be joined here shortly by my

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Speaker 1: buddy Alex Gilstrom and Cody Butler from dream Chaser's TV,

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Speaker 1: and were gonna be chatting with these guys about late

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Speaker 1: season tactics, and we're talking about some public land hunting ideas,

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Speaker 1: some running gun techniques, and a whole bunch of things

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Speaker 1: in regards to hunting strategies. We're also gonna be diving

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Speaker 1: into a few stories of some of Alex and Cody's

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Speaker 1: recent successes, including something you might have seen the most

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Speaker 1: recent issue or maybe it's two issues ago of North

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Speaker 1: American Whitetail. Cody kill and absolutely stunning white Tail last year,

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Speaker 1: and that story was featured in the magazine, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty cool, and it was written by Alex so double

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Speaker 1: cool there. So that's a story I definitely want to

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Speaker 1: dive into. It's a buck they call longhorn. Um. But

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Speaker 1: before all of that, we do have my nine finger

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Speaker 1: buddy Dan Johnson with us for our pregame show, and

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping the two of us can catch up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. We haven't chatted and I think two weeks Dan, um,

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Speaker 1: So do you do you have good news to share them?

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming I'm hoping. I've been wishing and dreaming that

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Speaker 1: one of these days in your next to me and say, hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I finally did it. I bought a non resident Michigan

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Speaker 1: hunting license. I'll be there next weekend. Tell me that's

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Speaker 1: what's happening. No, that didn't happen. I think are I

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Speaker 1: think what was our original bed? If I can ever

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Speaker 1: quit my job and make the Sportsman's Nation like my

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Speaker 1: full time job, then then the promise, the pinky swear,

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Speaker 1: is that I will come up and I will buy

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Speaker 1: a Michigan tag and I'll hunt with you. That's that

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Speaker 1: is the long term plan. I'm trying to make it

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Speaker 1: happen right now. Right Yeah, that's uh, that ain't gonna happen. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but but I tell you, Um, I saw a Facebook

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Speaker 1: I posted a picture of my my son today Mac

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, and you responded with a a post of

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Speaker 1: your own about how your son cried all night and uh,

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Speaker 1: he didn't sleep unless he was in bed with you

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Speaker 1: and your wife. And and that makes me happy because

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, and when when you told me a while back,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, he has no problem sleeping through the night.

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Speaker 1: There's a little part of me that, like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: whenever someone I hear another parents say that, I want

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Speaker 1: to punch him because it's not how stuff goes down

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Speaker 1: in my house. So I'm relieved to find out that

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Speaker 1: your kid is ruining your life too. Yeah, he's he's coming,

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Speaker 1: He's what do they say, Gosh, Um, I'm gonna blank

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Speaker 1: on this. It's something down to the mean, like resorting,

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Speaker 1: blanking on the right word. But yes, he's gone back

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Speaker 1: to what normal babies do, which is cry a lot,

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Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night. Um. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's related to teething. He's he's had

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Speaker 1: he's just got a general perturbed nature all the time.

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Speaker 1: And then he's like going down and sleeping for five

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Speaker 1: bloody murder. And he did that from like seven third

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Speaker 1: fun with with him. I tell you what man I was.

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Speaker 1: You know, on on Facebook, you flip through the feed

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Speaker 1: and then you have a memory that pops up, and

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Speaker 1: or six years it would it would have been six

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Speaker 1: or seven years ago of me and my wife. I

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Speaker 1: think it was like before we were married. We were

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Speaker 1: all we were. We just looked so happy and well

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Speaker 1: guess that's it's better than alternative though. I suppose, Um,

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Speaker 1: saying that's not the case. But when you go up

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Speaker 1: and going up there to camp and hunting and everything, Like,

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Speaker 1: every time I think about that with Everett, it just

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Speaker 1: gets me, I don't know, just on a whole another

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Speaker 1: level of excitement. I'm I feel like we're getting really

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Speaker 1: Um that I'm just I'm just super excited about. So absolutely,

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Speaker 1: think you and we both need to train our kids

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Speaker 1: got us topped right now, um, you know Ross Ross Hass.

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Speaker 1: He sent us a text me and some of my

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Speaker 1: son a question. His wife's name is Kendall's son's times West.

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Speaker 1: So Kendall said, quote, Hey, West, should we go get

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Speaker 1: the truck? End quote? And their son, who's like two,

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Speaker 1: he responds, no, we throw deers back in there and

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Speaker 1: even for dinner. How good is that? Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Like that's the perfect response. Uh, here's what

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Speaker 1: my quote would be, Hey Mac, did you flush? Mac

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Speaker 1: Straight to the point. Absolutely. Oh gosh. So check this out.

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Speaker 1: While back, my wife says to me, I wanna go

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Speaker 1: it's might be raining a little bit on Saturday, but

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Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday I have dedicated to taking her out

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Speaker 1: the meat off of them. You know, this year for

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Speaker 1: I heard that we need to be careful about our

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Speaker 1: that planned out right? Dan? Or she starts correcting me

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Speaker 1: just couldn't handle that hit right absolutely, you know. Just

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Speaker 1: the biggest buck on the wall? Oh man, where'd you

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Speaker 1: shoot that one? Well? I didn't shoot that when my

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Speaker 1: wife did. Man, I love you, Dan, but I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: so badly that she does that. Oh man, that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Would be awesome them. So not too far from where

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Speaker 1: hundred four hundred yards. I got a trail camera picture

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Speaker 1: But it was from two weeks ago, so it could

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Speaker 1: that recently in that part of the state there has

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Speaker 1: been eleven or higher inches of snow. Eleven or more

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Speaker 1: inches of snow. There's a standing cornfield that is still

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Speaker 1: Let's get the crops out. So they head back into

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Speaker 1: we're going, God, I hope that we can find some

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Speaker 1: you work for a hunting company, or you are another

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Speaker 1: let's say, like influencer or quote unquote celebrity, and you're

428
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Speaker 1: not currently helping promote conservation, you need to be. That's it. There,

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Speaker 1: you go, straight from the mouth of Dan nine Finger Johnson.

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Speaker 1: So with that, we will take a break to thank

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Speaker 1: our partners, and then we will get Alex and Cody

432
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Speaker 1: on the line to talk White Tails, to talk late Season,

433
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Speaker 1: to talk public land Um, and man, if the stars aligned,

434
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Speaker 1: maybe one of them will have a story of a

435
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Speaker 1: very very recent kill. I'm hoping. I'm hoping that will

436
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Speaker 1: be the case. Dan. Before we get to those stories,

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Speaker 1: they want to take a quick second to thank our

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Speaker 1: friends at White Tailed Properties, and I wanted to mention

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Speaker 1: a recent video of their's over on the White Tailed

440
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: Properties YouTube channel. This one is of particular importance to

441
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Speaker 1: me this time of year because December typically for me,

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Speaker 1: as I was talking about with Dan just a second ago,

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Speaker 1: that's when I usually like to start trying to put

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Speaker 1: some dose in the freezer. And what I'm doing that

445
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: is usually time here when I've got time to go

446
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 1: ahead and butcher my own deer. Sometimes I'm out there

447
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: hunting in October or November and I'm traveling all over

448
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Speaker 1: the place, have a hard time having the the extra

449
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Speaker 1: availability as far as time to get that process myself.

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Speaker 1: But December, I like to do it and enjoy the

451
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Speaker 1: whole process. I would like to do that even more so.

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Speaker 1: This video that White Tail Property just put out is

453
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Speaker 1: all about this deal processing your own animals, in particular,

454
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: talking about how to break down a deer's hind quarter.

455
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Speaker 1: Dr Craig Harper is actually the one in this video.

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Speaker 1: If you know who I'm talking about, you know he's

457
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Speaker 1: just a great guy to listen to, and he actually

458
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Speaker 1: shows how to process a deer's hind quarter while that

459
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Speaker 1: deer is still hanging up. So I typically quarter my

460
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Speaker 1: dear outbreak him down, and then you know the processes

461
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Speaker 1: on the table. He talks their way to do that

462
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Speaker 1: while they're actually still hanging, which is a pretty interesting

463
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Speaker 1: way to do it. So heading over to the way

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Speaker 1: Tail Properties YouTube channel, check out this video. It's titled

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Speaker 1: how to process a Deer's hind quarters And if you

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Speaker 1: want to learn more about the other things they have

467
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Speaker 1: going on, visit white tail properties dot com. All right

468
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: here with me on the line, I got rid of

469
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Speaker 1: Dan and I pulled into way more interesting people. I've

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Speaker 1: got Cody Butler and Alex Gilstrom. Welcome to the show, guys. Yeah, Alex,

471
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Speaker 1: I We've had a lot of good times over the

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Speaker 1: years at different conventions and things along those lines. So

473
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Speaker 1: I've known for a while now that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: pull you in here to the podcast um to chat.

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Speaker 1: So so I'm glad this is finally happening, and I'm

476
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Speaker 1: glad that you brought your buddy Cody along because the

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Speaker 1: two of you, it seems like, have been have been

478
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Speaker 1: having a good season, a good couple of seasons, and

479
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Speaker 1: I was hoping we could um dive into all of that.

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Speaker 1: But I suppose before of that, Alex, would you be

481
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Speaker 1: willing to give us a real quick intro to to

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Speaker 1: who you are, what you do in the hunting world. Um,

483
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: because I know that you and Cody do some things together,

484
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: and then of course you're doing some other interesting things

485
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: with our wonderful partners at White Tailed Properties. You bet. Yeah,

486
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: it's uh, it has been. You know, we joked about

487
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: it for for a number of years now, how we've

488
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: talked and collaborated just kind of brainstor where a few

489
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: different things. And just um obviously very very passionate and

490
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: obsessed white tail hunters and as we all tend to

491
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Speaker 1: be in this in this circle. But it was finally

492
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Speaker 1: fun to get and connect. But um, before we get

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Speaker 1: to to involved the two diving here, I do have

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Speaker 1: to take a quick sidebar with you. So uh a

495
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: bunch of yourself. Yeah, it's just it's interesting, so as

496
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: much as of yourself. Um, it's connect. The q d

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Speaker 1: M a huge supporter of that. We are as well

498
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: at white Tail. We've had a very very long stand

499
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: relationship here at White Tail Properties and myself personally has

500
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 1: just been really involved with it and in supporting it.

501
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: And I get this news letter I think it was

502
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: the day before yesterday or so, and I was and

503
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Speaker 1: I was sitting there re something I know where you're going,

504
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: and I would scroll it down. When did Further become

505
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: a model? Oh? Man, tell you what, Further is blowing up?

506
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: He is absolutely blowing up. I mean it's it's a

507
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: little bit embarrassing because I kind of introduced him to

508
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: the hunting world. I feel like, and now he's outshining

509
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: me by far. And it's like he's standing. Yeah, he's

510
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: standing on your shoulders to just go above and beyond.

511
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: It's been a knock to my pride, but I'm glad

512
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. Man, he's he's the great big q

513
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: dum model now on the newsletter and on Instagram. Um.

514
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: And you see how he rocked the face paint too,

515
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: Like he really goes pretty hardcore with it. Oh. It

516
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: was the authenticity and the intensity was off the chart.

517
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was on another level. Yeah, Man,

518
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: Further he's the legend. Alright, Well I digress. Yeah, I had.

519
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: I had to give Further a little jab there's I know,

520
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: he's obvious. So he's been a long time great friend

521
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: of yours and he's become a good friend of mine.

522
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just I couldn't believe it. I had,

523
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: I had to jab him a little bit when I

524
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: saw that. Oh yeah, there's no better way to start

525
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: the podcast. So so tell us a little about you there. Yeah,

526
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: back to your original question. Um, yeah, I got my

527
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: start Erry just kind of worked my way up and

528
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: had no real connection to the outdoor industry or anything

529
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: like that, and basically just through persistence and and basically pestering,

530
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: called as many companies as I could for as long

531
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: as I could until someone finally gave me the time

532
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: of day and uh and let me let me kind

533
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: of hear my spiel and where my passion was and

534
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do and um and it actually, uh,

535
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: it all started with a phone call back when I

536
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: was you know, kind of in high school and finally

537
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: got connected with the company and kind of asked what,

538
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, what things that they look for in professionals

539
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: and the outdoor industry and how to get in and

540
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: all this and that, and basically, long story short, the

541
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: two big resounding um answers I got was, you know,

542
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: a good business acumen, good business skills as well as

543
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: writing skills. So that's what I honed in on. Um.

544
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: I've always kind of had like a I guess and

545
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: in an eighth or or natural attraction to writing and

546
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: just I guess storytelling. So that kind of was a

547
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: natural evolution for me. And then um obviously picked up

548
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of photography videography along the way too,

549
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: but uh, those are the things that I concentrated on. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It kind of led me to a career at Setlock

551
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: for a number of years, six years, and then um,

552
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: throughout those years kind of continue to develop writing and

553
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: and exploring storytelling in different ways on different platforms, whether

554
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: it be social media or magazines or articles or whatever. Um,

555
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: and that's can continue to kind of evolve and uh

556
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: and kind of grow is that's kind of come on.

557
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: And then three years ago now White Till Properties approached

558
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: me with an opportunity and it was kind of a

559
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: way for me us like yourself, Mark born and raised

560
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: in Southwest Michigan, absolutely love my roots there, my entire

561
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: families there, and and our outdoor heritage. You know, it's

562
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: something you've talked about all the podcasts a lot, and

563
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: it's and it's couldn't be more true, just the the

564
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: richness in the in how deep our outdoor heritage and

565
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: passions for for uh, the wildlife and the outdoors go there,

566
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of something that everybody does and

567
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: that's what makes it so special. Um it can also

568
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: make it very frustrating, especially yeah, especially during the deer season.

569
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: Um So, anyway, that when White Properties kind of approached

570
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Speaker 1: me and started doing my you know, my list of

571
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: pros and cons and where things were and where I

572
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: wanted my career to go kind of evolving, Uh, they

573
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: asked me to come take over all creative as far

574
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: as the video department and our marketing department here and

575
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: uh there was a chance to relocate to Pike County, Illinois,

576
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: so that wasn't a bad thing. So over the over

577
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: the course of the last you know showt or eight years,

578
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: that's kind of kind the quick story of of how

579
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: I how I got here, and really kind of it's

580
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: been it's been nice to to kind of relocate and

581
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: recenter and and then as you kind of mentioned, uh earlier,

582
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about with some some writing. It's

583
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: it's been cool to kind of see that evolved and

584
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: and grow and something I've really kind of got a

585
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: passion for. I mean, you want to call it a

586
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, side hustle or side gig or whatever you

587
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: want to call it. It's it's been something that's really

588
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of grown and evolved over the last few years.

589
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: And I've been doing a lot more projects, uh digitally

590
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: and and and with with print magazines and other things

591
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: like that. It's been it's been just a lot of

592
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: fun to kind of talk about how, you know, I

593
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: do things and how I make it work out there

594
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: and and kind of just go from there. Yeah, And

595
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: speaking of your writing, it was a piece of your

596
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: writing that I was reading, I don't know, a few

597
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: weeks ago that just reminded me that I needed to

598
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: get you on the podcast, and that I had to

599
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: get Cody on the podcast because that was an article

600
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: you wrote about a hunt that Cody was on and

601
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: you actually got to be a part of it, filming him. Um,

602
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: and then you told the whole story there in North

603
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: American White Tail Magazine. So Cody, then, UM, can you

604
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: give us a quick intro to yourself and then also

605
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: maybe how you and alex Um start working together with

606
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: treen Chasers and everything. Yeah, definitely. Um. So born and

607
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: raised out here in Nebraska, right on the Kansas Nebraska border.

608
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: So I kind of joke around tell people like, it's

609
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: almost like living in Iowa because I can kill a

610
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: deer in Kansas and then too in Nebraska, so I

611
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: can get three every year. UM, so it's kind of

612
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: a fuel deal out here. But no, you know, I

613
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: grew up in a hunting family. UM just always had

614
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: a huge passion for it. If you would have told me,

615
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, when I was younger, that I would get

616
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: into video and photography, I would have told you you

617
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: were crazy. UM. Just didn't have a passion for it

618
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: when I was younger until a guy moved to town

619
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: here that was actually filming for the Archer's Choice UM

620
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: with Ralph and Vicky, and he asked me to become

621
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: a part of their team and started filming and just

622
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: fell in love with it. Realized I had an eye

623
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: for video and photography and and it kind of took off.

624
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: Started my own business, and you know now we're we're

625
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: doing Dream Chasers UM as a digital show on Carbon

626
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: TV and YouTube. UM. I also have a company that

627
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: does video photography work for hunting companies. UM. That's kind

628
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: of how Alex and I actually got started. UM. We

629
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: got hired by a guy to do a pilot for

630
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: a show Um, gosh, Alex, how long has it been now?

631
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: The story is crazy enough as it is. I'll let

632
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: you go, but it's that I'll let you keep telling,

633
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: but it's done. Like I think that was. I was

634
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: trying to think about this the other day, and I

635
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: think what I was actually it was actually when I

636
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: was driving back from Camas we're hunt together, but I

637
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: think it was. I think it was like nine years ago,

638
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: and that's what I was thinking too. Is it getting

639
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: close to ten years now? We both got hired, we

640
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: knew knew each other through social media and stuff, a

641
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: little bit um back and forth. Um, a friend of

642
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: our has kind of introduced us through social media. I

643
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: think we had talked on the phone one time, and

644
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, we both get hired to

645
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: go do this pilot down in Kansas, pretty and we

646
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: had no idea we had gotten hired at the same time.

647
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: And Foxy got there before me, and I walked in

648
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: the door and I see him. I'm like, what the

649
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: heck are you doing here? Man? So then we just

650
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: we sat down, we did the pilot, we filmed it

651
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: for this guy and put it all together and and

652
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: the rest is history. I mean, we've we became great friends.

653
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: I invited him to come out here in turkey hunt

654
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: that next spring and he's been coming out here turkey

655
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: hunting and deer hunting every year since and it's just

656
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: been quite a roller coaster ride. Yeah, that's awesome, And

657
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: you guys are doing a good job. I've been on

658
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: the watch some of your video episodes over the years,

659
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: and uh, you're putting out a great product and obviously

660
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: living there in in pseudo Iowa, Kansas Nebraska border, that's

661
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot to be. You guys. Guys are

662
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: putting them down. Um. So on that note, then I

663
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: have to ask because the other thing, they're two things

664
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: that that made me think of you guys to get

665
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: on the podcast. One was that article I mentioned, and

666
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: number two, it was something you posted on Instagram. I think, Cody,

667
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: that just got like the drama sensors in my body

668
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: going on overload. You said that there had been this great, big,

669
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: giant buck that you've been keeping tabs on all year

670
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: and you thought that with this late season cold weather

671
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: and snow, that you finally might have an opportunity for him.

672
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: I think you said that you got pictures of him

673
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: like five days in a row on this little camera

674
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: in this section, and and last night, So the night

675
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: before we recorded this was the night you thought you

676
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: were going to kill him. So I was sitting here

677
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: in my in my office looking at that crossing all

678
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: my fingers and toes and just saying, oh, please Cody

679
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: kill that buck so we can hear that story today.

680
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: On the me too, I was. I was doing the

681
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: same thing, so so please tell me. Did you kill

682
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: that buck? Um? No, we did not, but I did

683
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: pass like a hundred and fifty seven pointer last night

684
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: in order to that year. I'm kind of kicking myself

685
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: a little bit now. Uh No, we call that, dear

686
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: epic um kind of a crazy story. So spring of

687
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, I found a shed on that farm,

688
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: actually his left side. That's the only history I had

689
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: with that dear. Ever, I've never had a picture of

690
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: him nothing. I just found this big six by side

691
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: on that property during the sixteen shed season, and I

692
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: had never got a picture of him until this year

693
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: he finally showed back up. So I'm guessing off of

694
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: his shed. I really have no history, but shed was

695
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: already pretty big, so I'm guessing he was probably a

696
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: four year old. Then probably he's either six or seven

697
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: this year, is what I'm guessing. In Matt he shows

698
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: up this summer and instantly I'm like, Okay, that's the

699
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: deer I'm hunting in Kansas this year. I've got several

700
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: other really good deer, but I just kind of fell

701
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: in love with him. As soon as he shed his velvet,

702
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: he just disappeared. Um, I didn't it hardly. I think

703
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: the last picture I got of him was October the

704
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: fifth or something like that, and then he just recently

705
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: showed up again about six days ago. And he's been

706
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: on that trail camera on that food plot almost every day,

707
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: I think five out of the last six days. And

708
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: of course last night I have to have a perfect win.

709
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: I have to have a south or southeast wind to

710
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: hunt that. And of course last night was the only

711
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: night he doesn't show up in daylight. I get home.

712
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: That's a cell cam. It's a spartan cell camera. There.

713
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: I get home, my phone goes to Dink and he

714
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: was there. So the drama continues with the deer we

715
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: call epic. You know, I haven't hunted him hardly all year,

716
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: just because he hasn't been around, he's kind of waiting,

717
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: not really hunting any other deer. Finally get a chance

718
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: to hunt him, and the one night that I hunt him,

719
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't show up, So he's kinda he's kind of

720
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: pushing my boot that a little bit. Yes, And I

721
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: passed the big seven And Alex actually had an encounter

722
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: with that deer when he was out here. Uh so

723
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: he knows how big that deer is and he's I

724
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: texted him last night and he was like, oh oh boy, um, yeah,

725
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: it was tough, but definitely my eyes definitely on epic

726
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: and and hopefully we can get him killed here by

727
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: the end of the year. But we'll see the market

728
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: a couple of Michigan boys for Michigan. Don't you know

729
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: he starts to talk about passing a hundred fifty inchineer,

730
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: especially on her fifty and seven point. We can't relate

731
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: to that. Oh no, It makes my makes my mind

732
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: like slowly explode or melt or something. When I hear that.

733
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: I know I gotta give him at all serious. I

734
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: gotta give him credit though he's been he's been incredibly

735
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: patient and man, when he gets his mind set on

736
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: one deer as what was we'll talk about it's you

737
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: can't you can't change it. Yeah, he no, it's it's

738
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: a problem. I have an issue. So so this dear epic?

739
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: Can you can you describe this dear for us? What?

740
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: What's he? What's he looked like? What makes him so epic? Um?

741
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: He's just actually kind of crazy. Way how he got

742
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: his name epic is I had the owner of Big

743
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: and J long Range Attracting has come down and hunt

744
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: with me this year, Jeremy Atkins, and I sent him

745
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: a trail camera picture that dear this summer and he

746
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: texted me back and goes, Man, that deer is so epic,

747
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, Bam, there you go. There's his name.

748
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: But so we just kind of started calling him epic

749
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: after that. He's kind of he's actually a main frame

750
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: six by six um, really tall and narrow. His right

751
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: side is kind of goofy. He's got a big split

752
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: brow on that side, and his G two on that

753
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: side it's only like I don't know, maybe three inches long,

754
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: four inches long, kind of curls back and then the

755
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: rest of his times are real big on that side.

756
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: And then his left side is just a real big

757
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: six point side. I mean he's got or six points

758
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: on that side. He's got big two, big three, big four.

759
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's just he's got everything good role want

760
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: and he's heavy mass. Um, I've actually got his shed.

761
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at his shed right here in the

762
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: in the house. And I mean clear back in sixteen

763
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: when we found on that side. I mean it's I

764
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: think I scored it it like seventy seventy seven or

765
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: sees back then. So he's he's special. His beams curl

766
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: up what really way high in the front. He's just

767
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: just a really cool deer. He's an epic deer. So wow,

768
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: So this spot where he's been coming in these last

769
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: five six days, what you know, why do you think

770
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: that's happening? Can you describe that area and then how

771
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: you had set up on it? Yeah, you know. Um,

772
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: I actually tried something different there this year. I've had

773
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: a food plot there for a few years, but it's

774
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: kind of an early season spot because this farm is

775
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: really good early season. Uh, this year I decided to

776
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: try to put a late season plot in there, um,

777
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: because I wasn't gonna hunt the early season quite as much,

778
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: and it just seems to be working really really well.

779
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: I think it's only a half acre food plot, and

780
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: it's a mix I did. I believe it's critically black

781
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: oats and uh went to rye a mix that I

782
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: put in there, and on a half acre. Last night

783
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: we had thirty two deer on a half acre food plot. Um,

784
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: it's just been a magnet right there. All the neighboring

785
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: farms were soybeans this year and those crops are obviously out,

786
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: and my property there was corn. So I've got this

787
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: little half acre rye field and then I've got the

788
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: corn field, so I basically got all the winter you know,

789
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: the good winter food sources on my place, and the

790
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: ruts really starting to wind down here, and I think

791
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: those deer has just found it, and it's just it's

792
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: become a magnet right there. It's really been blowing my

793
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: mind how many deer are hitting that small little area

794
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: and consistently. I mean there was I think I think

795
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: we had eight different bucks in front of us last

796
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: night at one point in time, um, two of which

797
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: were mature deyear, including that seven pointer. And then, like

798
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: I said, epic shows up right after dark when right

799
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: when I get home. So he was there hopefully, hopefully

800
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: maybe we can get after him again tonight, if not tomorrow. So,

801
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, so often in the late season you find

802
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: it just becomes more and more difficult to get in

803
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: and hunt these spots sometimes because Does many times they're

804
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: bedding closer to the food source, and if you're trying

805
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: to hunt the food source, it just seems so easy.

806
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: If you spook one dough that might be betted close.

807
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: If she runs back, they might send everything cascading back

808
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: and shut down the whole night. Um, how do you

809
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: have this set up on this little food plat so

810
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: you can hunt it that, To be honest with you,

811
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: that's almost exactly what happened to us last night. We

812
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: had a bunch of Does. There's a big seedar thicket

813
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: real close. I'm talking twenty yards off of that, and

814
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: there will be deer betting in there sometimes. And as

815
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: we pulled up on the property last night, my phone

816
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: was going off and there was already Does in the

817
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: food plot, so I could see him while we were

818
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: in the truck. Um, So we actually sat in the

819
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: truck and waited for them to go off the camera

820
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: and then we snuck in, and we actually snuck in.

821
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: I've got a redneck blind sitting around the edge of

822
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: the food plot and it's pretty easy access to get

823
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: in and as long as you have the perfect wind,

824
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: you can. Actually there's a lot of tall CRP there,

825
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: and you can actually sneak into the back door of

826
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: this blind really easy with dear bedded close. We actually

827
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: got up in the blind and I started scanning and

828
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: we had I think seven does bedded within eighty yards

829
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: of us and got in clean. So it's just the

830
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: deal where you gotta go in really early, just gotta

831
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: take your time. Like I said, there's really tall CRP

832
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: there and you can kind of come right in the

833
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: back door of that blind, super easy to walk in.

834
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: It's just it's just one of those spots that's just

835
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: money for getting in and out. Wow. So then what's

836
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: the game plan moving forward? Then he shut up after

837
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: dark last night? Um, what do you? What do you

838
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: do now? Well, to be honest with you, rifle season

839
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: opened up today in Kansas, and I really want to

840
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: kill him with a bow. As much as I want

841
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: to kill him with a bow, I'm not gonna pass

842
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: up an opportunity to put a deer like this on

843
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: the ground. Um, I'm not sure if I'm gonna be

844
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: able to hunting the night. We've got a west wind tonight,

845
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: which is not very good at all. Um for that spot.

846
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: We gotta actually a northeast wind tomorrow, which I can

847
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: get away with with a bow or a gun. I've

848
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: got a blind um sitting off that food pot about

849
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: a hundred yards as well. So whether we go hop

850
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: in a tree stand on the other side of that

851
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: food pot tomorrow with a bow or break out the

852
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: old gun, I'm not sure what I'm gonna do yet.

853
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: But uh, we're just gonna keep watching that spart in

854
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: camera and kind of let him tell tell me what

855
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: he's doing. I really thought last night was gonna be

856
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: a night because it was about a high at twenty

857
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: six degrees yesterday, real cold. We got highs in the

858
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: forties now, So I thought last night was gonna be

859
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: the night. But um, you know he's been showing up.

860
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: He showed up the other day at four or fifty

861
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: in the afternoon it was fifty degrees out. So he's

862
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: really got no right the reason to what he's doing. Um,

863
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is just being persistent with

864
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: him being smart only going in there on the perfect days,

865
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: the perfect winds and uh not boogering him up and

866
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: and eventually I think if I'm just persistent and patient,

867
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: we'll be able to put him on the ground. Yeah,

868
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: Is that is that kind of the name of the

869
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: game for you? When it comes to you know, we're

870
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: we're I feel like we're really close to being able

871
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: to say that we're transitioning to the late season. I mean,

872
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: we're we're still in November as of right this moment,

873
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: but I think that most people are kind of transitioning

874
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: their mindset to the late season kind of hunt. Um. So,

875
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: so what you just described there is that what you're

876
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: typically doing this time of year, whether it's a specific

877
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: buck here after or just waiting for any immature buck

878
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: or or if not, what else would you add as

879
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: far as your general late season tactics. Honestly, I mean,

880
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: I think that's a great late season tactic. Um, you know,

881
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: just being patient. But in all honesty, as far as

882
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, like we talked about earlier, I get pretty

883
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: obsessed with a certain deer every year. You know, after

884
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: we killed the deer that we were going to talk

885
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: about later that was in the article last year. You know,

886
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: I told myself, you know, this year, I'm just gonna

887
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: go out and I'm gonna shoot, you know, a good

888
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: mature buck. I'm not gonna be picky. Well I actually

889
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: told my mom that. She looked at me and laughed

890
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, all right, you're gonna get a picture

891
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: of a deer. You know, that get you get you going.

892
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: And that's the deer. But and like I said, I

893
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of have a called them when it comes to that. Um.

894
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, when you get fixed on a certain deer,

895
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: patients is the biggest thing you can possibly do. I

896
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: mean it took me, you know. I followed the deer

897
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about later for four years and

898
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: hunted him for two years. Um And I only hunted

899
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: that deer maybe a handful of times in two years

900
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: on the perfect conditions. And we saw that dear almost

901
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: every single time we hunted. So I think being patient

902
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: being persistent Now obviously, you know, if you're hunting, you know,

903
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: a small track of land or public land or something

904
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: like that, a lot of times you can't be as

905
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: patient because somebody else might be in there hunting. You know. Luckily,

906
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: I've got some pretty good neighbors in the area. The

907
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: property to the east to me there where Epic is living,

908
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: nobody can hunt. Um, so it's pretty there's not a

909
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: lot of pressure there, I guess in the day, so

910
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: I can be patient. But you know, if you're hunting

911
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: private ground, you know you've got good neighbors stuff like that.

912
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: I think patience is the biggest thing you can do.

913
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: You know, hunt really smart. I think Alex can kind

914
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: of say the same thing. Um where he comes out here,

915
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: you know he doesn't. He stays very persistent, and I think,

916
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: like I said, just patience, I think is the biggest

917
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: thing you can do when you're hunting a single deer,

918
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: and just I mean, when you're hunting these five six

919
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: seven year old deer, do you booger him one time?

920
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: You might not ever see him begin So I definitely

921
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: think that's that's what you gotta do, is be patient. Yeah, yeah,

922
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I've certainly seen the same thing. Um, what about you

923
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that you've got this right old Ryan

924
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: black oats and Tragic cant or whatever that's called. What

925
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: as far as like food sources, right, so much of

926
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: our late season plan is around those food sources. Where

927
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: you're in Kansas. What what's the kind of progression of

928
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: attraction as far as as far as what dear king

929
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: in on this time of year for you guys out there,

930
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: is it? Is it usually the corn like you mentioned,

931
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: um or what are the different things that you're focusing

932
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: on hill late season? Like now, if you're doing food plots, um,

933
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: you know, grains are are are great right now? UM,

934
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: A lot of times we'll leave standing beans. You know,

935
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: late season staying beans are great. They're high protein, high energy. UM.

936
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: Corn is definitely probably the winner around here as far

937
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: as late season, just because it's a high energy food

938
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: source for them. Um. They don't hit like cut bean

939
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: fields real great late near UM they'll hut you know,

940
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: standing beans a lot better. I will say one thing

941
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: that is huge out here in Kansas is Milo. If

942
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: you have standing Milo somewhere, Uh, it will bring dear

943
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: from miles. I don't know what it is about it,

944
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: but Milo is just insane, crazy late season attracted out here.

945
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: If it's standing. Um, you know, if it's harvested, they'll

946
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: still hit it. Uh. As far as harvested core or

947
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: harvested fields though, corns definitely number one. UM. As far

948
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: as just you know, your regular agg fields. If you

949
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: go into you know, food plots and stuff like that,

950
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: you know Braska plots. I've had really good luck with those. Um.

951
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: But it seems that you know, the wheats, um, the

952
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: black oats, the rise, those cereal grains, uh, seem to

953
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: be just a really good magnet and a really good

954
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: food source out here for the late season. And they're

955
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: also fairly decent throughout the whole hunting season. Um. That's

956
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: what's kind of nice about them. I went, I kind

957
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: of go in, no tell them in around the first

958
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: part of September, and they'll start coming up good for me,

959
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: and it's just a good, lost green food source through

960
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: the entire hunting season and you know, clear into January

961
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: and February. M Yeah, I've always been surprised, you know,

962
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: up here in Michigan. I've always worried that those grains,

963
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: cereal grains like like oats, would lose attraction once you've

964
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: got into the really cold weather. Um. But the oat

965
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: I plant. I plant kind of a similar combination to

966
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: what you're alluding there too. I usually plant oats in brassicas,

967
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: and I'm always surprised every year in December. These deer

968
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: are still now. Of course they prefer the Brascas, they

969
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: spend most of their time in the Braskas, but they're

970
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: still hitting those oats. Um. It always kind of eye

971
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: opening to me that there's there's still value, you know,

972
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: clear into clear almost at the end of the year.

973
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: So UM, it's interesting that you're seeing the same thing Um, definitely,

974
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: And there's different variety of oats as well, like the

975
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: black oats that I um put into this mix in particular,

976
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: or they stay greener longer as far as when the

977
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: temperature gets down. And the reason why I picked the

978
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: triticale um, triticale some people called triticale, some people call

979
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: it trit to klee Um. The reason I picked those

980
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: three is your rye is gonna stay green the longest,

981
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: but your triticale is gonna be more palatable earlier in

982
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: the year, and then your um oats are gonna be

983
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of goes from triticale to the oats,

984
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: um to the rye. So you've got kind of three

985
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: different varieties. Each one stays green, you know, a little

986
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: bit longer. So you know, we noticed last night when

987
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: we were sitting there that some of the some of

988
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: the oats were starting to get a little bit yellow,

989
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: but yet your eyes are still green. So you know,

990
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: if you can play a good mix like that with

991
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 1: you put in Nebraska, then you know they're great really

992
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: late into the season, I mean clear in the January maybe, um,

993
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: if you've got a mix that's got a little bit

994
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: of everything to get them through the entire season, I

995
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: definitely think that's a great way to go. Yeah, I've

996
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: always liked to do that, and it also you know

997
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: by having a mix or you know what I've done

998
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: is I do strips, So in the same plot, I've

999
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: got oats and then a strip of bras because and

1000
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: the strip of oats. Either way, I feel like by

1001
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: having an all season attraction in a plot, it helps

1002
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: you develop an all season long or all year long

1003
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: in some cases, depending what you're planning in all season

1004
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: long pattern um that you can then identify and hunt

1005
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: off of versus. You know, if you have one plot

1006
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: of clover over here and then four hundred yards away,

1007
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: then you've got a plot with your Brassica's and then

1008
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you've got deer that are doing

1009
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: one thing in September and then they're completely doing something

1010
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: different in December and completely doing something different maybe in November,

1011
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: and then that can you know, then you're bouncing around

1012
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: a whole lot more and it becomes harder to figure

1013
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: out a specific deer in some cases, um, especially where

1014
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: they're in bed and things like that. Um. So it's

1015
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: an interesting point, Uh, Alex, would you add anything more

1016
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: as far as late season tactics, I don't know, you know,

1017
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: outside of just hunting food, is there anything else we

1018
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 1: keep in mind, you know as we head into December. Well,

1019
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: and Cody, I mean he hit it ready pretty much

1020
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: right on. He's got He's got this this thing down

1021
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: to a science. The deer don't always cooperate necessarily, but um,

1022
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: I mean the guy has been the guys have been

1023
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: passionately in you know, consistently doing it, doing it right

1024
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: for years to come. So he's I agree with everything

1025
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: he said, especially with the milo. That's been an interesting

1026
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: thing because we don't really have it, you know, in Michigan,

1027
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: we don't a lot of people don't really grow at this,

1028
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, sore gum or milo, and it's not a

1029
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: common crop there more for sand, you know, sandy or loami,

1030
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: or more loamy soils out there and um, but it's

1031
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: been that's been an eye opener for me is just

1032
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, we Cody and I get together quite a

1033
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: bit throughout the here and stuff. So I'm out there

1034
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: kind of not just in the spring of the fall necessarily,

1035
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: but throughout the summer. I can see the growing seasons

1036
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: and the progressions and things like that, and it's, uh,

1037
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing. And one of the cool things about it,

1038
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: I mean is, like Cody said, one of the standing

1039
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: crop like that, it's nice, but I'm like corn, when

1040
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: it's standing, you can still kill him in it. So

1041
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: that's that's well. I always say its detractive, is corn,

1042
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: but when they stand up, you can still shoot them.

1043
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: That's right, that's awesome. So actually, I've actually got a

1044
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: farm this year that does have a little patch of

1045
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: or not a little, a decent patch of milo planted

1046
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: in it. Um, So I'm going to try to take

1047
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: advantage of this this December, right, I would definitely keep

1048
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: an eye on. I'd say it's definitely food. You know,

1049
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: food is food is king like Mark Durry always says,

1050
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: their slaves to their stomachs and um. But for me,

1051
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. Uh. I just don't have

1052
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: property here, especially in western Illinois, where I can you know,

1053
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: plant food plots or anything like that. So I'm upon

1054
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of public ground and uh, it gets a

1055
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: little tougher as it gets later, mainly because they just

1056
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: they bed so much closer to food depending on the pressure.

1057
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: It's it's actually kind of weird. I actually prefer I

1058
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: almost prefer more areas in the late later in the

1059
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: season than unpressured areas because it's still forces them to

1060
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: bed a little bit farther away from the food sources,

1061
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: so you have more opportunities to get tighter to that

1062
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: bedding or tighter to that security cover and have less

1063
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: of a chance of of bumping on when it When

1064
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: they're on unpressured property, especially when it's late and they've

1065
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: got plenty of food around, Um, they can, I mean

1066
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: they can bed right off the food source and it's

1067
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: almost impossible to get in there a thought without screwing

1068
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: it up. So that's kind of my is just trying

1069
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: to get between the bed and food a little bit,

1070
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: uh and still hug closer to that that betting side

1071
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: of things. That's that's kind of my It's the kind

1072
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: of the crux for the main I guess center point

1073
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: of my strategies anyway is just is just really understand

1074
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: how and where and when they're betting and then try

1075
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: to adapt and get as close to that as I can. Yeah,

1076
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: and I feel like both of you guys mentioned this

1077
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's worth I think noting again so much

1078
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: of this late season time period. Of course, food is king,

1079
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: like you said, ex slaves of their stomach. But then

1080
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: because of the pressure aspect, I feel like, even more

1081
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: so than any time of the year, picking your days

1082
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 1: is more important than ever as far as making sure

1083
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: that the times that you do strike really have to

1084
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: be well timed, because I just don't think you can

1085
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: get away with any more mistakes at this point. Once

1086
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: you get to December. These deer have been hunted for

1087
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: several months. Probably they've dealt with a lot of humans.

1088
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: Probably they're very pressure, they're very on edge. Especially mature Buck.

1089
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, he he just is not going to tolerate things.

1090
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: Maybe he tolerate a little bit in November, um, but

1091
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: once December rolls around, all he wants to do is

1092
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: refill his stomach, get you know, fattened up. For the

1093
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: winner and you know, just avoid anything that's gonna bug him.

1094
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: And so I just think being careful about just like

1095
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: you're doing Cody, you know, not going in there if

1096
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: things are not just right, like waiting for just that

1097
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: right situation to get in there after him. Um whether

1098
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: that when yeah, I mean I was getting pictures of

1099
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: him for five days in a row and daylight. I mean,

1100
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: so if you think it was you know, if it

1101
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: was very difficult not to go in there and try

1102
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: to hunt him. But at the same time, you know,

1103
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: I know that if I go in there when it's

1104
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: not perfect conditions, it's not a perfect wind, and he

1105
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: smells me one time, or you know he watches does

1106
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: smell me and and blow and take you know something

1107
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, one little slip up and he

1108
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: might go, you know, not show up at all, or

1109
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: go nocturnal on me. And I it's it's just not

1110
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: worth it, just from experience in the past, you know,

1111
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Like we were talking about the deer we'll talk about

1112
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: here later, Like I hunted him five times that whole

1113
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: entire year, and we saw him every single time and

1114
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: finally kill him on the fifth time. So patients and

1115
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: Waiting for those perfect moments is definitely key. Yeah, so

1116
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk about this book. This is

1117
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: a buck you call Longhorn, and um, I want you

1118
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: to tell us the store from the very beginning. And

1119
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: then Alex, you in the background, listen to him and

1120
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: whenever he whenever he gets something wrong or whenever he's

1121
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: not quite coloring things as much as you know, you know,

1122
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: being a friend in the background, feel free to jump

1123
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: in and be like, no, you weren't that calm, you

1124
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: were you were a mess or whatever it is. Well,

1125
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, like I will say, it's it's

1126
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: so funny because m it's like we're it's what's funny,

1127
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: we're joke like we I mean, it's we're so close,

1128
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: and like even what's so cool about our friendship and

1129
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: just the way we get to hunt together and do

1130
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: dream chasers and things like that, Like our families have

1131
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: like become like our mom's talk all the time, and

1132
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: our friends like my dad, like we come out in

1133
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: our dad's hunt. We like it's like it's become like

1134
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,479
Speaker 1: this big family thing. So I know him super well

1135
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: and and he just it's so funny to watch to

1136
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: watch how like he ties himself up and not almost

1137
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: with anxiety just because he's like, oh, well, this one's

1138
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: wrong here, but I gotta go hunt him here. But

1139
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: I know we showed up here, and it's just like

1140
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: this back and forth like like we all do at

1141
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: different times. But the one thing I do have to

1142
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: tip my hat to himployer though, is what we talked

1143
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: about patients and and that's kind of what he's gonna

1144
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: get into. But it's he is a much more patient

1145
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: hunter than I am. I I probably take risks a

1146
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: little bit more or get a little bit more aggressive

1147
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: on certain times and certain things, and it's probably it's

1148
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: probably cost me then, So I've I've learned definitely some

1149
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: patients is key. But I'll definitely make sure that he's uh,

1150
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: I'll make sure he's staying on point, all right. So

1151
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: with that, with that, cod take it away, all right. So, uh,

1152
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: the story of Longhorn, you know, he kind of starts, uh, gosh,

1153
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: I kill you when he's five years old. So we

1154
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: first started seeing when he was a two year old.

1155
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: My wife and I were actually just around the corner

1156
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: from my house watching a big bean field on a

1157
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: place that we lease that is right next to our

1158
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: home farm. And we're actually watching a different dear, a

1159
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: real big tin pointer out there, and this two and

1160
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: a half year buck comes out and he's already a

1161
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: six by six and he just he stood out from

1162
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: the crowd like big time. Um, he was wide already,

1163
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: just had this really great looking frame. And I remember

1164
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: looking at my wife and saying, like, man, that deer

1165
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: right there is gonna be special. Like he's just got

1166
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: unreal genetics. Um, to be a two and a half

1167
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: year old deer and be a six by six already

1168
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And I say six by six, I'm talking

1169
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: a perfect main frame six by six, typical, just beautiful,

1170
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: what you dream of. And he had this, you know,

1171
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: real wide frame, and I remember thinking to myself, like,

1172
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, you grow up watching TV and stuff like that,

1173
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, hunting shows, and you see these big wide

1174
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: frame bucks in South Texas, and I, uh, he just

1175
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: instantly kind of looked like a Texas dear to me. Um,

1176
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: So we called him longhorn. And uh, you know, not

1177
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: only that he looked kind of like a Texas longhorn

1178
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: because he was so wide with this little two and

1179
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: a half year old body. Um. So anyway, I kind

1180
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: of knew at that point, like, hey, I need to

1181
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: really keep tabs on this deer. Try to keep him

1182
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: on you know, our home farm and our lease right

1183
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: next door to our home farm, and hold him there

1184
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: because when he gets to be you know, four or

1185
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: five six years old, he's going to be a giant.

1186
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: So that year, I can't remember even what deer I

1187
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: ended up killing that year, but we watched him. We

1188
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: saw him several times. I had him Josh less than

1189
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: twenty yards, I don't know how many times that year,

1190
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: and every time I saw him, I was just mesmerized

1191
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: at how awesome he was. So then the next year

1192
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: he explodes as a three and a half year old.

1193
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: He was like one low one sixties already as a

1194
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: three year old. And I remember another friend of ours,

1195
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: Cody Jarrett Uh comes out here and he's filming all.

1196
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm filming him one morning and Longhorn come down the

1197
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: river with a dough and he was snort weas and

1198
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: another bucks and just being crazy. It ends up bedding

1199
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: down twenty yards right behind us, and he's, you know,

1200
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: hud in sixtienth three year old. And I remember Jared

1201
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: turns around and looks at me. He's like, man, all

1202
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: I gotta do is tell me he's four. All you

1203
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: gotta do is tell me he's four. Will kill him

1204
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: right now. I'm like, no, Like, we gotta wait, you know,

1205
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: we gotta wait. So we saw him several times that year. Um,

1206
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: we actually did find his two year old sheds and

1207
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: its three year old sheds. So moving on, um to

1208
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: now he's four years old. UM, most of the time

1209
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: up here, my home farm is kind of unique. It's

1210
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: part Nebraska park Kansas. It's right on the line, UM,

1211
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: so I can actually hunt him. I was hunting that

1212
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: deer in both states. So it just depends on where

1213
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: the block of Tember that he was in. He could

1214
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: be in either state. Uh. Just so basically just depending

1215
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: on winds, depending on you know, how the situation was.

1216
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: We might be hunting him in Nebraska all night, we

1217
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: might be hunding him in Kansas the next it was.

1218
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a cool, cool situation right there.

1219
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: So we decided, because I do have a decent amount

1220
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: of pressure up here, um around my home farm, that

1221
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: as a four year old, we were going to start

1222
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: hunting him. Um. He was in the upper seventies, I

1223
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: got both of the sheds guessing spread. He was around

1224
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: one seventy seven UM as a four year old, and

1225
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: we decided we're gonna start hunting him. And the crazy

1226
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: thing is I did not buy a regular Kansas tag

1227
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: that year. I bought a land on her tag, and

1228
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: part of the property in Kansas that he was living

1229
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: on mostly is actually what we lease next to our

1230
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: home farm. So through a lot of the year when

1231
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: he was a four year old, I couldn't legally hunt

1232
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: him where he was staying most of the time because

1233
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: I had a land on our tag exactly. Yeah, because

1234
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why I did that. Honestly,

1235
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: it was kind of a stupid, stupid decision on my

1236
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: part um but a good buddy I didn't want. They

1237
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: were hunt him in Nebraska and that's where I was

1238
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: getting most of his summer pictures. Is probably why I

1239
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: did it, because I was thinking, so like, I'm like, Okay,

1240
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: well he's gonna stay more on the Nebraska side this year,

1241
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: so I'll get a Nebraska tag and hunting with that

1242
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: um and get a landed at tag just because the

1243
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: fact it's cheaper for me but it was a dumb decision. Directly,

1244
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, I think you had a project

1245
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: or you were doing something and got we got busy

1246
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: doing something or whatever, and I think you forgot to

1247
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: apply or like you had missed. Honestly, that is exactly

1248
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: what happened. That is what happened. Yes, I missed the deadline.

1249
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: I was gone. I was actually out of town filming

1250
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: something with Big and J is actually exactly what it was.

1251
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: And I remember I missed the deadline. UM to put in,

1252
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: that's what it was. That's exactly what it was. UM.

1253
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: But anyway, one of my real good friends here UM

1254
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: in town that actually goes in on that lease with

1255
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: for me next door or a home farm. Um, he

1256
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: did have a regular tax, so he actually got to

1257
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: hunt him more than I did. UM. And there's a

1258
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: field right next to the block of timber that that

1259
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: deer was living, and he lived and basically a forty

1260
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: acre block of timber his whole life is was his

1261
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: home range. I mean he would he would go other places, obviously,

1262
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: but that forty acre block of timber is where he

1263
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: spent nine time. And it's a perfect square. It's it's

1264
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: difficult to hunt because he can literally if you get

1265
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: you can't really get too close to him in there,

1266
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: because they can see you coming from quite a distance.

1267
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: And he can literally get up and say, Okay, I'm

1268
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: gonna cross the river and go to knap Off the field,

1269
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna go to this cornfield, or I'm gonna

1270
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: go to this cornfield, or I'm gonna go to this

1271
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: mile of field. Like there's really no rhyme reason. There's

1272
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: so many agg fields right around that little block of

1273
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: timber that he would just go to whichever one he felt,

1274
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: And that's what make made him so hard to pattern,

1275
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: so hard to hunt. Um. But one of the fields

1276
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: is our neighbor's field that we don't have permission to hunt.

1277
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: And we were literally ten yards inside the timber one night,

1278
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: facing you know, facing the timber, and he comes out

1279
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: probably seventy or eighty yards around, and this is when

1280
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: he was still four and a half year old, seventy

1281
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: eight yards around us and ends upcoming and stands thirty

1282
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: five yards broadside, dead to rights, right behind us, but

1283
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: in our neighbor's field, so we couldn't shoot him. And

1284
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: we've got footage of all that, and we ended up

1285
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: watching him for over an hour that night chasing does

1286
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: We actually had like a oh mid one forties tin

1287
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: pointer that come out clearly on the other side of

1288
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: the field and sidestepped with his head sideways going to

1289
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: him like he's gonna fight him, and long Horn just

1290
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: stands there, never moves, just stares at him until he

1291
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: gets about thirty yards from him, and he just lets

1292
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: out the nastiest nortwes you've ever heard, and that tin

1293
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: pointer tuxis tail, and ran for like three nerd yards

1294
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: across the field and went in November. That's all it took.

1295
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: It was the craziest, craziest night. But um. And then

1296
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: we had another encounter that year where we had a

1297
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: dough lead name right to us and he actually kind

1298
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: of bull rushed the dough when he got to about

1299
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: fifty yards and she turns for her left and ended

1300
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: up going around like We ended up having six encounters

1301
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: with him inside sixty yards when he was a four

1302
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: and a half year old and just couldn't couldn't getting killed.

1303
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: It was miserable to watch him. Um. So then we

1304
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: ended up finding both of his sheds that year. Um.

1305
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: He lived good. Uh, he did have a limp though

1306
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: at the end of that year, and I was a

1307
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: little bit nervous he had an injury, either from fighting

1308
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: or just run himself down. And he we hardly had

1309
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: any summer pictures of him next year, and I was

1310
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: scared to death that something had happened to him. He

1311
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: got infection, um, he had moved. I didn't know what

1312
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: in the world was going on. And finally he started

1313
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: showing up. I can't it was end of I want

1314
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: to say, at the end of August. I think he

1315
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: showed up last week in August something like that. And

1316
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: then he was pretty consistent for a while, and he

1317
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: was right back in that um patch of timber. And

1318
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: of course this year, I that year I did get

1319
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: the right tag so I could on him, remember to

1320
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: put in, definitely remember to put in because he was

1321
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: he was in the mid one eighties now, Uh so

1322
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna screw that up. But anyway, he he

1323
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: he did grow some, but he did not blow up

1324
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: near what I thought he was gonna blow up to um,

1325
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: but still just an unbelievable deer. And uh it was

1326
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: it was time. I was gonna put all my eggs

1327
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: in one basket. Basically and just hunt that deer. And

1328
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: that's what we did. And I hunted him, like I said,

1329
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: about five times. I think the first time I went

1330
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 1: in to hunt him was the twenty sixth of October.

1331
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: I got a picture of him working a scrape line

1332
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: that I had found just across the river from his

1333
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: main cop area, and we went in and hung a set.

1334
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: My wife and I went and hung a set and

1335
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: hunted it that night, and we saw him boom right away.

1336
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: I kind of had a guest to where he was betting,

1337
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: and he was one of the first bucks we saw.

1338
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: And I actually drew on him that night. Um and

1339
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: right as I draw, he lunged after a dough and

1340
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: went through my shooting lane and then he stood at

1341
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: like forty one yard's kind of behind some stuff, worked

1342
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: some scrapes. I granted at him a few times, and

1343
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: he just he was with that dough, didn't want anything

1344
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: to do with me, and so he moved on. I

1345
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: waited till hall ween night, moved to a little bit

1346
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: different location. I actually rattled him in on Halloween night.

1347
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: He came into about fifty five yards in Noeptember, just

1348
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: kind of stood, didn't see if I I didn't see

1349
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: a deer, you know, just a smart five and a

1350
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: half year old deer. He just slowly turned around and

1351
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: went back into timber. Um. At this point, Alex is

1352
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: starting to get out year and Alex being a good

1353
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: guy that he is, uh, he says, he's like, man,

1354
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: he's like all film you. You know, anytime you need

1355
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: to be filmed, we'll get it done. We need to

1356
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: get this deer killed. You know, I know how much

1357
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: he means to you. You know when I say this

1358
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: dear means something to me, like you know, watching him

1359
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: as a two year old, three year old, four year old,

1360
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, basically raising this deer like pets almost. I

1361
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: mean he felt like he was my dog, you know,

1362
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. All the pictures you got of him, Um,

1363
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: everybody knew what he meant to me. And for Alex,

1364
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, to sacrifice some of his hunting time to

1365
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: go film me, you know, it was awesome. Um. You

1366
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: know he enjoyed it too. So I think Alex helped

1367
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: me out here a little bit. Wasn't like the third

1368
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: of November, when when did you and I see him

1369
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: the first time? It was like the Yeah, it was

1370
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: it was it was later than that. It was it

1371
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: was later than that. I think I've seen him any

1372
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: more time. The first week in November with another friend,

1373
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: another buddy of mine that was stewing me. And then

1374
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: when Alex got here, we saw him I think what

1375
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,879
Speaker 1: four days before I killed him. Yeah, it was, it was.

1376
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: It was like it was like the tenth It was

1377
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: like the tenth or eleventh or something like that. Yeah,

1378
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: So we went in on the tenth or eleventh and

1379
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: had a perfect condition. I saw him again and I

1380
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: couldn't get on him. He was actually out kind of

1381
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: with a dough again, got a bunch of good footage

1382
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: of him, and I remember saying that night, like, you know,

1383
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: you think I'd get tired of hunting this year and

1384
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: seeing him, you know, every time that we've seen but

1385
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: every time I see him, you know, it just gave

1386
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: me that much more motivation, you know, to get after

1387
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: him and getting killed and back to the patient's thing.

1388
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: After we saw him there, the winds kind of got goofy,

1389
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: it got warm, conditions just weren't perfect, like we were

1390
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: talking about, Um, I needed a north wind, a perfect

1391
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: north wind and a cold morning, and I had a

1392
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: feeling I had hung a set earlier in the year,

1393
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: clear back in the summer, real close to the edge

1394
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: of his betting that I knew I could probably kill

1395
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: him in the morning, but I had to have the

1396
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: absolute perfect conditions. And we finally got that on the

1397
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: fifteen in November, and I got permission from the neighbor

1398
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: to go in and cross the river and come right

1399
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: in the back door to this place. And Alex and

1400
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: I have a deal. So every time something goes wrong,

1401
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: like we forget stuff or something just silly happens, we

1402
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: end up killing a deer, Like it's it's science that

1403
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: that happens every single time. So we pull into the

1404
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: neighbors and we hear this weird noise, but we pull

1405
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: into the field and we hear this weird nors like

1406
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: what in the world was that? And we get out, Well,

1407
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: the guy had just strong and electric fence in this

1408
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: corn field to put his cows in there, and we

1409
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: hit the fence and with the truck and it just

1410
01:12:55,320 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: explodes like forty yards in both directions bit posts and

1411
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: we're like, oh my gosh, saw him calling the neighbor

1412
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: at five o'clock in the morning, like, dude, hit your

1413
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: fence or their cows in here, and he luckily was like, no,

1414
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: there's no cows in there right now. He's like I'm

1415
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,839
Speaker 1: putting them in there like tomorrow or something like that. Um,

1416
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. We'll fix it, you know later

1417
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: when you get done hunting. And I'm like, oh my gosh,

1418
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: thank gosh, because we're thinking, like man, we're not gonna

1419
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,839
Speaker 1: be able to hunt. We're gonna have to fix this fence.

1420
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: It was, you know, a crazy deal. So we kind

1421
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: of gathered ourselves, got our clothes on and started walking in.

1422
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: We get to the stand and our camera arm, so

1423
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: we're using a fourth thereo camera arm, and we have there.

1424
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: They got this little cam lock on the bottom of them.

1425
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: Well I wasn't paying attention and that thing wasn't twisted on.

1426
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: They're very good. So when I go to lock it down,

1427
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: it unfreads and the screw and that camlock fall to

1428
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: the ground, and like like hey, tiny, the tiniest little

1429
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: things you can think. I look at Alice, I'm like

1430
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: I should have just stayed in bed this morning, Like

1431
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, And he starts laughing. He's like, no day,

1432
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: He's like all the steps, going all we're gonna kill

1433
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: him this morning. I'm like, we're kind of laughing. At

1434
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: that point, I climb all the way down, miraculously find

1435
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 1: these little pieces and leaves that are a foot deep,

1436
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: and climb back up. We get that situated. Then I

1437
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: go to pull my bow up, and my bow is

1438
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 1: literally caught on the bottom step of like the limb

1439
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: is caught underneath the bottom rail of the steps going

1440
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: up the tree. And I cannot get okay, not get

1441
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: it on attack. I cannot get it off no matter

1442
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: what to do. So at this point, I'm like, we're

1443
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: almost hysterically laughing in the stand like that. It's starting

1444
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: starting to get light, like we're like this unbelievable, Like

1445
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. So I climbed down again, unhooked my bow,

1446
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: climb back up, pulled up, knocking arrow. We didn't even

1447
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: do an interview, I don't think. And it's I mean,

1448
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: it's still fairly dark, and I hear something walking and

1449
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: I looked down and the second biggest deer in that timber,

1450
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: which I ended up killing later with a muzzleowner a

1451
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six in ten um. Is it six

1452
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: yards right below and We have no idea where he

1453
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: came from, no idea how he got there. But we've

1454
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: got this. But at this other deer at at six

1455
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: steps right below us, it's not camera light yet. Um,

1456
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: he's the only other deer. I'm willing to put a

1457
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: Kansas tag on in that area. Uh. Anyway, he he,

1458
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: he didn't spook, he didn't know we were there. Uh,

1459
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: he goes off. But we kind of thought he almost

1460
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: acted like he had just got his butt kicked, like

1461
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: he was leaving an area, like he was like getting

1462
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: out of there, and so we thought that was kind

1463
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: of weird. So we let the sun come up, and I,

1464
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: at this point, getting mid November, I'm like, you know,

1465
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: I would kill, probably kill that deer and you know,

1466
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: try to hunt longhorn on the Nebraska side of things

1467
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: or whatever later in the year. Uh. So I hit

1468
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: the horns together actually to try to rattle that deer

1469
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: that we had just seen back in and I'm hitting

1470
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: the horns together, I hang them up, and Alex goes, hey,

1471
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: there's a buck in the field. And I turned around

1472
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: and no more than get my binoculars on him for

1473
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: two seconds and realized it was long horn and he's

1474
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: loping across the field right to us, and I'm like,

1475
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's him, you know whatever, grab my bow.

1476
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: He comes right to the edge of the field right

1477
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: and he's just looking in the timber. Again, smart five

1478
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: and a half year old deer doesn't see a fight,

1479
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's gonna walk out of my life again,

1480
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm getting a little nervous. He finally

1481
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: starts to come into the timber and he stops about

1482
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: fifty yards away, and he's just looking and looking, and

1483
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: he's got basically two options. If he goes to our right,

1484
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna go around us and possibly get down wind,

1485
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: or he's gonna come right underneath the stay. And if

1486
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: he goes on this trail that goes straight and goes

1487
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: to our left, he's gonna walk by first at twenty

1488
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: five yards and then even closer when he comes around

1489
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: the front of the stand. He stands there for what

1490
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: seems like an eternity and finally flix his tail and

1491
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: we knew he was come. And he goes left and

1492
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember, I was the calmest I think

1493
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: I've ever been. And I remember I told Alex I'm like, Okay,

1494
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: here he comes. He's gonna come right here, and he's

1495
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: gonna be perfect. And so I wasn't you out we

1496
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: can going? Yeah, I was like insane calm, probably just

1497
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: because I've seen him so many times, you know, I've

1498
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: been dreaming to that moment and had my game face on.

1499
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: I guess, and he's coming. I remember Um saying out

1500
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: you know you're on him right there. I remember drawing

1501
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: while he goes behind a tree, remember Alex say, And

1502
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: you can hear him in the footage. He goes, I'm

1503
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: not a hone him. I'm not, you know, because he

1504
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: I think he thought I was gonna shoot him right there,

1505
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, no, no, Like when he comes

1506
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: right out right here, I'm a shooting right in this opening.

1507
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: And he finally comes out there into that opening, and I,

1508
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, gave me a little bit and he stops

1509
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: and kind of looks towards us, and I let her

1510
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 1: fly and it just hit him perfect. The whole story

1511
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: came down to a twenty five yard shot, as Alex

1512
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: said in the article, and he kind of wheels runs

1513
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: out into the field, kind of stood there for just

1514
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: a second, got one little last burst of adrenaline, Uh,

1515
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: disappeared kind of on the edge of the field there,

1516
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: and we knew, I mean, at that point, I knew

1517
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: he was down. I knew he was he was dead.

1518
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: It was just a matter of finding him. We called

1519
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: my dad, called my wife. Unfortunately, my wife who had

1520
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: filmed me most of the time hunting him and had

1521
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: been you know, the biggest part of it, she was

1522
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: doing a continuing ed for her job, so she wasn't

1523
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: even in town. I couldn't get ahold of her. But

1524
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: we got everybody together, Hak, my buddy Ryan, Alex's dad,

1525
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: my dad, Um, another buddy of my Nathan Will. We

1526
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: all came down there, gave him probably an hour. We

1527
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: just walked out into the field to the spot, uh

1528
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: where we last saw him. And as we're walking to

1529
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: that spot, we actually saw him laying just right on

1530
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: the edge of the field and he literally died right

1531
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 1: underneath the tree stand that Alex and I had hunted

1532
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: just like three or four days prior. Um and saw

1533
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: him out of that stand and he was literally dead

1534
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: ten yards right underneath of it. It was just just

1535
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: all meant to be. It was pretty pretty crazy deal.

1536
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: Definitely a story I'll be hard pressed to ever top Wow.

1537
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 1: So Alex, you were you were pretty shook up in

1538
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: the moment trying to film him. How was Cody after

1539
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: the shot? Oh? It was yeah, I mean it was

1540
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: just it was so crazy. I mean, like the hard

1541
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: part was this this block of timber around the edges.

1542
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: In the inside the timber, there's some blow down and

1543
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but it's not like it's crazy be thick.

1544
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: There's little pockets, but all around the edges it's pretty

1545
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: dang thick. So, um, I was having trouble. I was

1546
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: a little bit higher than Cody. Obviously when you're setting

1547
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: a stand up the film, you're a little bit above him.

1548
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't and I couldn't see. I didn't have the

1549
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: line of sight that Cody did, so Cody could kind

1550
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: of steem really well, and I was like, dude, we're

1551
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 1: not going to get this on toll because I can't

1552
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: freaking fine the deer. So like I'm like, just I'm

1553
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: kind of getting more more front literally around the tree.

1554
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he had the whole tree in the way.

1555
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: He did a great job. So finally when I finally

1556
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: picked the deer up and then go and then that's

1557
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: actually when I got on the deer and I I was there,

1558
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: all right, we good, We're good. I started calm down,

1559
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: and then we were and then we were in when

1560
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: it was go time. But yeah, I mean once after

1561
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: the arrow hit him, I mean we both knew instantly

1562
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: that he was smoked. And it was just a crazy celebration.

1563
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean we were just we're laughing, high five and crying, hugging.

1564
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it was. It was. There's definitely a few. Yeah,

1565
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: it was just one of those just crazy it was.

1566
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: And like not to get like super philosophical or anything,

1567
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: but it was like, at least with me, like there's

1568
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: always times like in the woods and life whatever where

1569
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: it's like, man, I wish I would have savored the

1570
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: moment more to like have more of a memory, like

1571
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: I like looking back at things, but like that, like

1572
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: in that at that time, in that moment when it

1573
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: all kind of came to a point and it happened

1574
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: like it was, I remember actually having like thought about it,

1575
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: like I knew we would remember it for like it

1576
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: would be a memory that we have forever, Like it

1577
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: was something like I experienced it like this was because

1578
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: this is a big, big thing that we'll never forget

1579
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,839
Speaker 1: and um, and it just meant a lot to to everybody,

1580
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, all of our group of friends and and Cody,

1581
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: and it was just it was pretty pretty unreal. Yeah,

1582
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,799
Speaker 1: I little thing that I remember the most. It's almost

1583
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: iconic to me now, and so many people have you know,

1584
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: commented on is you know, we realized we hit him,

1585
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: We realized we made a great shot, we realized, you know,

1586
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: he was gonna be dead. And then you know, I

1587
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of lost my mind, got pretty emotional, and you

1588
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: know I remember turned around putting my head on the

1589
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: tree and you know, thanking God that this would you know,

1590
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: finally happened, that we put the story together, and I

1591
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: remember Alex crabbing me and doing you did it, man,

1592
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: you finally did it. You know, it just it was

1593
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: just just a really cool moment between friends. Wow. Yeah,

1594
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that is that's pretty special. I I

1595
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: can relate to you, you know, as far as having

1596
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: those long multiple years of chasing one single deer and

1597
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: uh man, it doesn't come together all that often when

1598
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: it finally does. I know, that's a pretty special thing.

1599
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 1: So I enjoyed. I enjoyed that story. Although it's a

1600
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: little bitter sweet because I'm thinking of a Buckeye hunter

1601
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: for four years that I won't get that anything for um.

1602
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: But have we have we changed his name now to

1603
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,879
Speaker 1: just like he who must not be named? Yeah, it's exactly.

1604
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: He's the Baltimore of the hunting world now that buck.

1605
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: So moving on personally and in this podcast, Um, that

1606
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier when we were talking about epic, you

1607
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: know how so much of hunting one single deer for

1608
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: you it's just about being patient? Um hm, is there

1609
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: anything else you would add? Any other lessons you learned

1610
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: from hunting longhorn as far as targeting and getting that

1611
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: one deer other than just being patient and careful about

1612
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: hunting him? Was it? Were there any other things as

1613
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: far as like learning the deer, patterning the deer um,

1614
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: anything else you would add? Yeah? I think, Um. I

1615
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: think just just educating yourself on every deer is different. UM.

1616
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: I've noticed if you really pay attention to to certain

1617
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: bucks mannerisms. UM. You know, I have hunted deer, they

1618
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 1: are extremely aggressive. Longhorn, for instance, was probably the most

1619
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: the single most aggressive white tail I've ever seen. Um.

1620
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: I think almost every time we saw that deer. Literally,

1621
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: I bet of the times that we saw that deer,

1622
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: we watched him either run another buck off or snort

1623
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 1: reason buck off. Um. He was constantly aggressive towards other bucks,

1624
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: but he also knew he was the king in the

1625
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: woods there, um, So you know for him, you know,

1626
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: I think noticing deer's mannerisms and stuff like that as

1627
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: far as being able to kill. You know, at the

1628
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: end of the day, a rattling sequence is what killed

1629
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: that deer. You know, he probably had just got done

1630
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: running the buck off that came right underneath of us,

1631
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: and he probably assumed that that buck had went back

1632
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: inteptember and was fighting another deer in his territory, you know,

1633
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: real close to his bedroom, and he wasn't gonna have it.

1634
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, he was coming in to kick somebody's butt

1635
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: and say, hey, get out of my area. Other bucks

1636
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: I've hunted. I mean, for example, that same year, I

1637
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: was hunting a seven pointer on the Nebraska's out of

1638
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: our ground. He was extremely non aggressive. I actually grunted

1639
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: at that deer a couple of different times and had

1640
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: him run off like leaves. He didn't want anything to

1641
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: do with any other bucks. He was always by himself.

1642
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: So I think kind of educating yourself a little bit,

1643
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: really trying to pay attention to the attitude of that

1644
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: certain deer can help you kill him, you know. I mean,

1645
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 1: like that seven pointer. Basically I just had to hunt

1646
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: him in his core area to and from food. I

1647
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: hunted those around in his area, and we ended up

1648
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: killing him. I think I killed him on like the

1649
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: third of November last year, and he was literally just cruising. Um.

1650
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: I don't think I could have ever ratted or called

1651
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: that deer into me unless he just made he was

1652
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: in that right mood. Whereas Longhorn, I mean, if you

1653
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: saw him, I don't know how many different times in

1654
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: the two years we hunted him that you would grunt

1655
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: at him back in the timber to try to get

1656
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: him come in, and he would just stop and start

1657
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: ripping trees and grunt at yet or snort, we's at yet.

1658
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't necessarily every time come in because he

1659
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: knew he was the king of the woods. He knew

1660
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: he didn't have to. But three different times the year

1661
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: that I hunted him and killed him seventeen, three different

1662
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: times I rattled him into fifty yards or less and

1663
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: just couldn't getting killed until the last time. So I

1664
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: guess you know another great you know good thing. If

1665
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: you're targeting one single deer, just really pay attention to

1666
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: that dear's attitude. Um. You know, if he's really aggressive,

1667
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: you might be able to call him in. If he's

1668
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: not aggressive, you might not be able to call him in.

1669
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: You might be doing more harm than good. So that's

1670
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,719
Speaker 1: a that's a good tip, I guess um as well

1671
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: as far as being patient, Yeah, that's a great point.

1672
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: These these deers really do have unique personalities. The more

1673
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: I the more I see it, it's it's just so true. Um. Well,

1674
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: one thing that I've noticed with Epic here recently on

1675
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: the cameras, when he comes in, he's usually not around

1676
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: a whole lot of other gear. And I almost wonder

1677
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: if that's why we didn't see him last night, because

1678
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: there was so many deer in such a small concentrated area.

1679
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, he might just kind of be a loner.

1680
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: And I've definitely seen that maturity here where you know,

1681
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: they basically during the rut, they have their certain does,

1682
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: but they don't like to be around a ton of deer,

1683
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, And when he come in after dark, he

1684
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: was all by himself, didn't have a single other deer

1685
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: with him. When he comes into that camera, he's usually

1686
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: kind of off by himself and some of the other deer,

1687
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, it might be farther out in the food plot,

1688
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: so maybe you know, I don't have a ton of

1689
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: history with him, for the fact that I only have

1690
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 1: one shed and pictures just this year, but just going

1691
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: off trail camera intel, when I see him, he seems

1692
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: to be alone most of the time with a single

1693
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: dough so you know, he might be one that's not

1694
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: very aggressive and doesn't like to be around deer. So

1695
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: that's another reason why I've been really patient and not

1696
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: being really aggressive at trying to hunt him. M Yeah,

1697
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: that's that's a very interesting observation, um. And it's funny

1698
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: how you can know if you're if if you're open

1699
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: to paying attention to those kinds of things within trail

1700
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: cameras and you're not just looking, oh, there's a big buck,

1701
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: but if you're actually looking at what's going on around it,

1702
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: you can learn so much more of those pictures. I

1703
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: think that can help you understand a buck's personality maybe

1704
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: or some of its tendencies. Before moving on to our

1705
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: next topic, though, I want to take a quick second

1706
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: to think our partners at Onyx and Onyx is the

1707
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: producer of the on X Hunt app. This is a

1708
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: mobile application that I have been using all season long

1709
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: and have been using it for a number of years now.

1710
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: If you're not familiar, you probably haven't been listening to

1711
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: this podcast because I talked about a lot. But just

1712
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: in case you are new, this app will show you

1713
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: aerial views of your hunting area. It will show you

1714
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: topo graphic views. It overlays with the borders of private

1715
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: property and public property. It'll tell you who owns those places.

1716
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: It'll tell you what kind of public property you've got.

1717
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: It'll allow you to save way points, measure distances, measure areas.

1718
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: You can even take away point and just tech sit

1719
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: to a friend. So when my buddy further is lost

1720
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 1: in the woods and he can't find his way of

1721
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: the tree stand, he texts me or calls me. He's

1722
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: all stressed out, he's sweating. Maybe he's got to go

1723
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and he needn't bring a toilet paper.

1724
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: This kind of scenario happens all the time. And when

1725
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,839
Speaker 1: that happens, now I don't need to try to explain

1726
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: things to him. I don't need to say turn right

1727
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: at the big oak, turn left of the creek bed. No,

1728
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I can just text him away point, send him right

1729
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: to the tree stand, and not need to worry about

1730
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: all that drama. So i'd recommend you check this one out.

1731
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 1: If you haven't yet, you can learn more by searching

1732
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: for on X on your favorite mobile app store, or

1733
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: you can visit onyx maps dot com. Um. Speaking speaking

1734
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: of loaners, UM, I gotta I gotta shift gears here

1735
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,560
Speaker 1: a little bit before we run out of time, because Alex,

1736
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: you're kind of one of those loaners who's always floating

1737
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: around the woods with a stand on your back, hopping

1738
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: into new trees every single time. And I want to

1739
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: make sure I want to make sure we hear a

1740
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: little bit about what you're doing. UM. In particular, you've

1741
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: told me a lot in the past how you're really mobile, right,

1742
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: You're you're running gunning a lot, and I love that

1743
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: I've been doing it more and more myself. UM. Can

1744
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about your season. You've had

1745
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: a great season, um, and maybe you know kind of

1746
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: mold a little bit of your tactics into how you

1747
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 1: pulled off this these couple of hunts. Well, it's it's

1748
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: it's all pretty much like look and then the rest

1749
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: of it just kind of happens. So there's not really

1750
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: much strategy involved. But no, it's and and honestly it's

1751
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 1: it's just more because I have to be um, you know,

1752
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: with public ground and and I I do go to

1753
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: every extent to follow the letter of the law. And

1754
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of our regulations here. You know,

1755
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: you can't leave stands, you know, fixed stands in place,

1756
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: and and you know from day to day in the

1757
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: tree and you can't. You gotta take your stuff in

1758
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: and out with you. And and that's just kind of

1759
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: how I just you know, that's abiding by the law.

1760
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: And not only but it's just I found it's the

1761
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: most it's the best way to continue to find the

1762
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: deer with me. It's pretty much everything center is kind

1763
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: of around location. So um and and that's on you know,

1764
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: public ground or private ground or whatever. And uh, you

1765
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: know a name that gets thrown around a lot, it's

1766
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 1: been getting thrown around a lot just because of his success.

1767
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: And and it's you know, all all rightful hole, rightful

1768
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: praise for sure as his dan infall. You know, I

1769
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: learned a lot from him growing up in southwest Michigan. Uh.

1770
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 1: The really the property that we had that I had

1771
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: permission to hunt, that was behind my neighbors. My neighbors had, sorry,

1772
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: my grandparents had, uh just you know, a few acres

1773
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 1: and then behind that was a big farm with a huge,

1774
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: huge marsh and a huge swamp. So I remember I

1775
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: was at the Landing Deer in Turkey Expo when I

1776
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: was like fifteen or sixteen and walked by a booth

1777
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and I mean I was a sponge. I still am,

1778
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: like I grab every you know, try to grab every one,

1779
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: especially when I was at that age, grab every article,

1780
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: every DVD, every video I can, just because I love

1781
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: watching I love watching hunting, I love I just try

1782
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 1: to learn as much as I could. And I walked

1783
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: by this table and there was a DVD sitting there

1784
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: called Marsh Bedding, and I was like, wait a second,

1785
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: Like I hunt around marshes, I probably should know something

1786
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: about this. So like I grabbed it, and sure enough

1787
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: it was like an infults first ever video that he produced,

1788
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: like with like the Blood Brothers or whatever it was

1789
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: called with UM the other other Michigan come with Michigan

1790
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: and Wisconsin guys and UM, and it just like everything

1791
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: he said was just like wow, like I was just

1792
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 1: this is like this is makes so much sense for

1793
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: I was seeing. And I think a lot of it

1794
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: comes from I've always just asked the question why, Like

1795
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: I want to know why a deer is over here.

1796
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 1: I want to know why sign is here. I want

1797
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: to know why, you know, deer moving over here and

1798
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: not over here. And so I'll just try to figure

1799
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: out answer those questions those wise all the time, and

1800
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 1: and a lot of it just boils down the location

1801
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: for me and and how habitat and terrain funnel dictate, uh,

1802
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: manipulate um or I should say, just um kind of

1803
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: make deer move and live where they where they do

1804
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: so and for me, just like you know, like we

1805
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: can all relate to and pressured areas, especially like like

1806
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: something like public ground. You know, deer going to spend

1807
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: especially mature books like we're targeting, are spending majority of

1808
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: their time and daylight and their betting, so figuring out

1809
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 1: ways to maneuver around that you get in it and

1810
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: stay around the outside of it being travel corridors close

1811
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: to it. That's really where my thought processes start out

1812
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: from there, how terrain and habitat dictate that and how

1813
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: I can how I can manipulate and move around some

1814
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 1: of that too, And and the biggest thing is is

1815
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 1: like and again it's nothing nothing new really, but just

1816
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: like we talked about all the time, when you think

1817
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: about your times of success, um, you know, majority of

1818
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: the time, your best chance to kill that deer, especially

1819
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 1: the maturity ar is your first time. And so having

1820
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: fresh sits and maneuver around and be able to be

1821
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: able to move around and I and essentially have a

1822
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: sit every time based on Now. Granted, I mean I

1823
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: might hunt, and especially especially especially here in public some

1824
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 1: of the public ground right hunt in Illinois. You know,

1825
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: I've stayed relatively and kind of one section or quadrant,

1826
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: and we can kind of get into that a little

1827
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: bit too, kind of how I personally break down like

1828
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 1: public hunting areas or just break down larger areas in

1829
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: general in my mind. But I've hung around this one

1830
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: area because it just is I'm magnet for big deer

1831
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: because of a thick cover that just it can hold them.

1832
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: They can feel safe. So it's like I'm not saying, like,

1833
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, I hunt here once and then move, you know,

1834
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: a quarter mile over here and hunt. I mean it

1835
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: might be a hundred yards, it might be a couple

1836
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: hundred yards, just setting up for a different wind or

1837
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: a different situation or a different trail or travel corridor

1838
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: or wherever, and um. But I think staying mobile like

1839
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: that it keeps you in the game. It keeps you sharp.

1840
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: You don't get complacent, you don't get um, you're just

1841
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 1: you're you're staying mentally focused more often more of the time,

1842
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: as well as the deer don't pattern you as much.

1843
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's been in credible, especially watching it on

1844
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,799
Speaker 1: this particular property here in Illinois, which it's really hilly.

1845
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of high kind of high bluffs and

1846
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: ridges and low bottoms and stuff, and you can actually

1847
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: watch deer kind of crevent the hunting pressure, hunting traffic

1848
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: based on like entry parking areas and how they access

1849
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: and how hunters leaving, like where they typically set up,

1850
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, not that far from hunting areas and these

1851
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: certain ridges and stuff, and to watch the deer just

1852
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: pattern hunters as hunters are trying to pattern the deers

1853
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,719
Speaker 1: has been incredible, um, you know, over the last five

1854
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 1: or you know, six seven years of really hunting aggressively

1855
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of in the style, it's really been awesome to

1856
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 1: learn and see how they can, how they can kind

1857
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: of do the same thing to us as we're trying

1858
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: to do to them. And I think avoiding that. One

1859
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: way to avoid that, or one way to stay ahead

1860
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: of that is just by kind of moving and and

1861
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: understanding trying to and obviously it's a it's a cat

1862
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: and mouse game you're trying to get You're trying to

1863
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: predict where they're going to be, when they're going to

1864
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: be there, and how to set up accordingly based on

1865
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the conditions. So it's, uh, it's definitely my preferred method

1866
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 1: and one that I've had pretty decent success, especially in

1867
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: the last few years doing that. Yeah. So was that

1868
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: the case with either of your kills this year, the

1869
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: Kansas or South Dakota where those first sits? Um my, yes, actual,

1870
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: well kind of my my South Dakota one. Absolutely, that

1871
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: was that was one. Um uh, it's it was pretty uh,

1872
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. I mean I found this place on the

1873
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: map I had not counted I hunted the same general

1874
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 1: area in past years, but I've not been to this

1875
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: like this specific kind of area, and I had to

1876
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: stand on my back first night. I was kind of

1877
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: more of an observation set than anything. I just want

1878
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 1: to like see what's happening in this area and look

1879
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: at the map. So it was like this kind of

1880
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: brushy crp. It looked like a big CRP field, uh,

1881
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 1: next to this creek that had this finger timber that

1882
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: kind of wrapped around it. And I was like, it's

1883
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: got some great transition areas, some transition lines. I said, well,

1884
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: this this just the natural shade of vegetation habitat will

1885
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 1: funnel deer movement. So kind of dropped down in winning

1886
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: early just kind of wanted to scout and look my

1887
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: way um and kind of scout my way along and

1888
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 1: just kept seeing better and better sign and I was like,

1889
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: all right, this is this is really good. So I

1890
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 1: kind of found this area that I could I could

1891
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: get up in this tree and it was like literally

1892
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: one of the only trees I could get in, and

1893
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 1: it was kind of low in that sense where it's

1894
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: either like you have monster cottonwood trees, are these like

1895
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 1: scrub oak trees that are like a ninety degree angle,

1896
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: so it's at a nightmare. But um, I found this

1897
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 1: little tree. I got eight feet off the ground, uh,

1898
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: and I got set up. And another big thing that

1899
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: that has really helped me that I've I've kind of

1900
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 1: written a lot about or try to try to maybe

1901
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: right about this success that I've seen from it is

1902
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: is that hundred yard mark where it's like you're a

1903
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 1: hundred yards from where you want to be, or you're

1904
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: even within the hundred yards of where you think deer betted.

1905
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: And a certain it was the case based on the

1906
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: habitat that I was seeing and how how this the

1907
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: spot set up. But it's just slowing everything way down

1908
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: and taking your time and like and and and approaching

1909
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: a location as if like you knew there was a

1910
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 1: buck within a hundred yards. I mean just three step,

1911
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: just super slow. You're hanging you're you know, putting the

1912
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: climbing sticks up incredibly slow. You're hanging your stand quietly,

1913
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 1: no tanks, no, you know, And I do a lot

1914
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: with my gear to make sure that it's not making

1915
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: any noise and anything like that. So it was a

1916
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: perfect transition and habitat and that's something that Dan you know,

1917
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: in Fault, talks about a lot about the transition lines,

1918
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 1: and that is like one of the major takeaways in

1919
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: my opinion as far as thick security cover. Where one

1920
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 1: type of cover meets another type of cover, that's where

1921
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna find a sign. That's where they travel, that's

1922
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: where they stage a lot um And I have seen

1923
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 1: that time and time again. This case was no different.

1924
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: So approach to say, it was right on the edge

1925
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: of the thick brushy CRP and is even thicker than

1926
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was by looking at the map. So

1927
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: I was happy. It was kind of a happy surprise

1928
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 1: when I saw like, all right, this is awesome. And

1929
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: then the thick brushy creek creek bottom, and so I

1930
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 1: get set up on in this tree and just kind

1931
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: of sitting there and it was kind of slowing. I

1932
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: could see a bunch and I was like, it was

1933
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of an observation point. So I was happy because

1934
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: I could see over the top of the CRP across

1935
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 1: the whole field, and I was just trying to get

1936
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: get an indication of where dear movement might be happening

1937
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: in adjustment for the next day. And I was sitting there.

1938
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: About an hour before dark, I saw a doll working

1939
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: towards me that right down the transition line between the

1940
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 1: c RP and the and the creek bottom, and she

1941
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 1: just kept coming, kept coming. She got about forty yards

1942
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: away and and made a hard made a hard turn

1943
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: into the timber, and I thought she was gonna come

1944
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: around behind me, uh and next to the creek and

1945
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 1: get down wind. I was like, oh, this is gonna

1946
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: be great. The only deer I've seen so far, she's

1947
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: gonna get right behind me. But anyway, she comes in

1948
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,839
Speaker 1: and it's here kind of walking in the in the timber,

1949
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 1: and I can't see her. And finally I can get

1950
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: to where I can just see the bottom of her legs,

1951
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: and she stops and she just stands there, probably a

1952
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,759
Speaker 1: minute to stand in there. And all of a sudden,

1953
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there and I out of nowhere. There's

1954
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: no other step, there's no other you know, no noise,

1955
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: and I just hear this and this buck, this buck

1956
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: story that I'm sitting there. The only thing I remember thinking,

1957
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: I said, well, that wasn't the dope. The only thing

1958
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,799
Speaker 1: I could think is is doing that is I actually

1959
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: got into the tree and got into this location, and

1960
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: he was betted. He was betted right there. And then

1961
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: eventually and I'll get to it a little bit here,

1962
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: but I know for a fact he's better because I

1963
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 1: actually found his bed. Um. But um. Anyway, he goes,

1964
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, snort weez is and she she, she kind

1965
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: of takes off, kind of running a little bit, does

1966
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: this little semi circles half moon shape. It comes right

1967
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:44,640
Speaker 1: between me and the creek and she comes by me

1968
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: like like okay, and I'm sure it's enough, you know

1969
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: that that head down and kind of that that fast

1970
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: stop where they just his nose to the ground and

1971
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: I could just see I'm like looking and looking and

1972
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 1: looking and looking. I can't see anything. I'm like, what

1973
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: where is he? And then finally he comes underneath this

1974
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 1: low branch and I finally seen him. And literally the

1975
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 1: first time I laid eyes on him, he's yards right

1976
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: underneath the tree. So it's so funny. I can't I

1977
01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 1: can't make it up. So like I saw a mass

1978
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 1: with and and times I couldn't tell like how tall

1979
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: it was or anything like that, but I was like

1980
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 1: I didn't then just big barrel chest and I could

1981
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: again he was so close. I was actually I saw

1982
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 1: the top of his back and his wide shoulders and

1983
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:24,560
Speaker 1: thick forehead, and I was like, he's a mature I

1984
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 1: was like, he's mature shooter. Like this is what I

1985
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 1: came for. I got, you know, a week, five days

1986
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 1: to get this done out here and do it yourself

1987
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 1: out in South Dakota. I was like, I'm not being picky.

1988
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 1: So um. Anyway, he comes down at the tree because

1989
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: I was so low as only I used three lone

1990
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 1: wild sticks. I had four with me, but I just leaned,

1991
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 1: so I just leaned the fourth stick up against the tree.

1992
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: He actually knocks the stick off of the tree as

1993
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: he's coming by. So I mean he literally brushed the

1994
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: tree that I was in, and at this time I

1995
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: swap it was in. It was unreal. So at this

1996
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 1: time I swung around. Come to full draw or Matt

1997
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 1: like that stop Matt a little bit louder. He hits

1998
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 1: twenty yards, Matt, you know, tried to stop him. Get

1999
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,839
Speaker 1: gets that out five or thirty Matt a little louder

2000
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 1: makes a turn. So now he's finally he's finally like

2001
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 1: perfectly broadside and he's that like I ranged the edge

2002
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: of this this kind of this thick brush stuff right

2003
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: in the edge of this carp He's run, he's just

2004
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: passed it. I ranged the edge of that at thirty

2005
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: yards and he was just passed that. So I figured

2006
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 1: he's about thirty five. And then finally when he made

2007
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 1: that turn and he stopped. I finally I literally yelled

2008
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: hey like that, and he just stopped and kind of

2009
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,839
Speaker 1: like he literally yelled at him. It was pretty awesome.

2010
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: He literally he literally snapped his head or anything. He

2011
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 1: just he was so her that he kind of just

2012
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 1: like just kind of nonstantly turned his head back to me,

2013
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: and I just I just I settled in on him

2014
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,679
Speaker 1: for thirty five yards and smoked him. He went, he went, uh.

2015
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: They ran off and then went back in this back

2016
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:00,599
Speaker 1: into the draw for about two seconds and pop back

2017
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: out and she kept running and he tipped over. So

2018
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 1: it was it was it was pretty awesome. And it's

2019
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 1: it's like Cody and I have this running joke because

2020
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: we you know, I hunt by myself so much and

2021
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: and don't don't have a camera guy with me very

2022
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 1: much that we sell film a lot. And I've had

2023
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: just a bear of a time the last like two

2024
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: years of getting killed actually on film, and this was no,

2025
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 1: this was no different. The tree was all, you know, uneven,

2026
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: so the arm wouldn't stay level and a kind of

2027
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 1: drifted out of ange. But you can hear the audio.

2028
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: And then finally got the go pro a lot and

2029
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,679
Speaker 1: I actually got him tipping over but didn't get the shot.

2030
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:34,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, it was it was kind of it was

2031
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: just a crazy It was a crazy deal. It was.

2032
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: It was a textbook, you know, the way that you

2033
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: you kind of plan or the way that you want

2034
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: things to kind of carry out. It actually did it

2035
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 1: to a t, you know. It was snuck in perfectly

2036
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 1: found a place on a map, went to it. Uh

2037
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 1: it looked like a good you know, a place where

2038
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 1: they would stage up or where a buck with bed

2039
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: before moving off, and and perfect transition cover and good

2040
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: security cover both in the crpry um and it there

2041
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 1: was one betted. I mean he was he was betted.

2042
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 1: He had to have been betted with yards and as

2043
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 1: soon as that doe came in it was enough to

2044
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: get him up and he was all all about it then.

2045
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just uh, it was finally uh,

2046
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: it was it's always nice. You know, we all know

2047
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: his Passinger Hunters stuff. Enough stuff goes wrong in the wood,

2048
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 1: it's nice. One want to finally goes according to plan

2049
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: man that the truth or what something? Yeah, that's that's

2050
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: a great feeling when it does come together. Um Man.

2051
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: So we have an issue, which is that there's about

2052
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven other things I want to ask you as about.

2053
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: But I am coming up on a hard stuff because

2054
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: of a meeting, which is stupid, but I guess I

2055
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: guess to make sure that, um, that we get this

2056
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: last important thing in here. I'm gonna say we're not

2057
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 1: to put time out on the questions I have for Alex.

2058
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't have to pull you in here another time

2059
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: soon so we can hear about your Kansas hunt. Um.

2060
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure to give you guys

2061
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity to to tell folks though about where they

2062
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: can get more from you guys. So we have to

2063
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: we have to close this one out. But if people

2064
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: want to see your videos, if people want to follow

2065
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 1: you on social media anything like that, UM, what either want?

2066
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 1: Do you want to jump in here and just tell

2067
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 1: folks where they can find that stuff? Do you want

2068
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: me to do? What do you do with Alex. Go ahead,

2069
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're all right, scientists behind it something like that. No,

2070
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: um so, Uh, Dream Chaser's Hunt is what. You can

2071
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 1: look us up on Facebook their Instagram as well. UM.

2072
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 1: I think our YouTube channel is also called dream Chaser's Hunt. UM,

2073
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: so you can look us up there. We also have

2074
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 1: a channel on Carbon TV. Uh, we're a little bit behind.

2075
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: So we do weekly episodes on the YouTube channel. UM,

2076
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: and then through the summer, we actually did a new

2077
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: series this year called Whitetail Weekly or every single week

2078
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: we just did tech tips or product reviews, UM, trail cameras,

2079
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: what deer we were going after, stuff like that. We

2080
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:10,559
Speaker 1: did a whole bunch of those. Um. Right now we're

2081
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 1: doing the weekly weekly episodes through the season on our

2082
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. UM. I think we're maybe two or three

2083
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,640
Speaker 1: weeks behind. On Carbon TV. It just takes in a

2084
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 1: little longer. UM. It's hard for them to do this

2085
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: semi live things, so it takes them a little longer

2086
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 1: than them uploaded. UM. But either or Carbon TV or

2087
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 1: YouTube look us up Dream Chaser's Hunt and you can

2088
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: check out the Longhorn Hunt, Alex's Kansas Hunts on there.

2089
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: We haven't got a South Dakota one together yet, but

2090
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 1: if you want to check them out, go for it. Awesome. Well,

2091
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,799
Speaker 1: I definitely recommend folks do that, and Cody and Alex

2092
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate you as taking the time to share your

2093
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: stories and some of your thoughts on how you how

2094
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: you kill these mature deer. And Cody please just do

2095
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 1: me a favor and kill epics soon and we'll have

2096
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 1: both of you guys back. I'll let you know as

2097
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 1: soon as we do play. There's a picture going up

2098
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 1: soon on him. Awesome. Well, good luck and thanks again, guys. Well,

2099
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 1: that will do it for this week's podcast. I hope

2100
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed that one. Um I gotta kick out

2101
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 1: of their stories had some great tips to share as well.

2102
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 1: And uh, I need to get out of here though,

2103
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: because I've got to hit the woods. I got a

2104
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: trail camera picture just last night of the buck I'm

2105
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: after in Michigan. It's very exciting news. This is hot

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Speaker 1: off the press. I just just check that camera a

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Speaker 1: couple of hours ago, so exciting stuff there. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: see if we can get one more great late season

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Speaker 1: story for you. But um, I will leave you with

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Speaker 1: two quick plugs. Number one. As I've been telling you

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Speaker 1: guys about the last couple of weeks while you're to hunt,

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Speaker 1: merchandise is back and available, and it's over on the

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Speaker 1: meat eater dot com. That's where all my new content is.

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Speaker 1: That is where our gear is now being sold. If

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Speaker 1: you're going over to the meat eater dot com go

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Speaker 1: to the shop, you're gonna see all the white you're

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Speaker 1: done gear, their shirts, hats, even details, good stuff, So

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Speaker 1: check that out. Speaking of the media here, gotta recommend

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Speaker 1: Steve's new Meat Eater cookbook. It is full of great

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Speaker 1: wild game and fish recipes. Tried a couple of different

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Speaker 1: ones out for venison. They've been really good, So check

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Speaker 1: that out over an Amazon or Barnes, Noble or wherever

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Speaker 1: it is that you buy your books, and with that

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Speaker 1: will shut it down. Thank you so much for your support,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Man. I know we're pushing in

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Speaker 1: December here, but there's still a lot of hunting out

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Speaker 1: there to be had. Good things can happen, so so

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Speaker 1: stay positive, stay up in the true you're in the

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Speaker 1: ground blind, and until next time, stay wired to hunt.