1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let me bring in Peter King, NBC Sports 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: dot Com and Football Morning in America. Pete, thanks for 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: joining us. Happy New Year. Let's start with the Eagles 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: last night. Any issues with Doug Peterson. Yes, I thought 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: it was not a good thing for I mean, what's 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: the right term. The honor of the game, the honor 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: code the coaches have to have. And I'm not saying 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: that that Jalen Hurts was playing great. I'm saying that 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld had not stepped on a football field for 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and five weeks, and you put him in 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: the game with whatever ten twelve minutes to go, You're 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: going to have three more possessions in this game. Probably 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: you're down by three points. And again, I don't think 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: he did this with the thought of the sixth pick 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: or the ninth pick in mind. I think he did 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: it because he legitimately wanted to see Nate Sudfeld. This 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: was not him, you know, playing with the integrity of 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: his draft choice, let's say, or playing with his draft choice. 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: It was I think he legitimately wanted to see him. 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's the right time or the 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: right place to do it. And I think you should 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: do everything you can to win a game, particularly when 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: a division title is on the line, and Doug Peterson 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: did not do that. But it's two different messages that 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: you're saying, Hey, Sudfeld, you know that he has the 27 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: right to do it. He wants to see what they have. 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: This isn't an important game for the Eagles. It's an 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: important If there was no playoff berth attached to this, 30 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: would anybody care that he? No? No, But there was 31 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: a playoff birth attached to it. There was two teams 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: sitting at the end of your edge of their seat, 33 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: and look, I would just ask this question. And again, 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: Logan Ryan, I talked to him about midnight last night 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: of the Giants and he said, listen, we really we 36 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: basically didn't deserve it. You know, I'm not mad at 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: the Eagles. Now you know, off the record, is he 38 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: mad at the Eagles? I don't know, but you know 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: he told me I'm not mad at the Eagles. We 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: didn't put ourselves in good enough position by winning six games. However, 41 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: I am just saying, if Doug Peterson were the other 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: team right there, if it was Washington playing the Giants 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: and Washington pulled Alex Smith for John Doe. You know, 44 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: to me, look, somebody said it on Twitter last night. 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: You know, the time to look at Nate Sudfeld is 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: either last August or this August, not in the middle 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: of a game with the pennant on the line. Yeah. 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I agree. When I'm watching, I'm going if you don't 49 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: know what you have with Nate Suttfeld, then that's on you. 50 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Like im, he doesn't have much with Nate Sudfeld based 51 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: on what we saw last night. Yeah, and you know, 52 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: look but p and now he knows, he does know 53 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: what he has. I'd be shocked if he didn't, if 54 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: he really didn't know what he had. But I disagreed 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: with what he did. Where will Carson Wentz be next year? Um? 56 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is going to depend 57 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: on something that is totally out of the Philadelphia Eagles Hens, 58 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: unless the Eagles say right now, absolutely we're not getting 59 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: rid of you, We're going to go to marriage counseling. 60 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: Uh and absolutely that. But I think this depends quite 61 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: a bit on whether Frank Wright has fallen in love 62 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: with Philip Rivers enough to say that entering two twenty one, 63 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: they want to go another one year twenty five million 64 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: with Philip Rivers. Now, if the cap does go down 65 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: some they may have to say to Philip Rivers, you 66 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: got to take a five million dollar haircut or we're 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: going to move on. And so the most important thing 68 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: I heard in Chris Mortenson's report saying that the marriage 69 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: is basically irretrievably broken or whatever words he used. The 70 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: most important thing is that Carson Wentz is willing to 71 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: work with an acquiring team and the Eagles to make 72 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: the cap situation a lot less egregious. Doug Morone just 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: got fired a couple of minutes ago, which is it's 74 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: a big surprise, no surprise, but they got the number 75 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: one pick, and no coach do you think it is 76 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: urban Meyer? Like is it his job? If he wants it, 77 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: they just have to go through the protocols here. I 78 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: don't report on as nearly as well or as thoroughly 79 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: as guys like Schefter, more than Ian Rappaport and all 80 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: these guys in Glazer. I just I don't do it anymore, Dan. 81 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: But I did hear from a couple of coaches agents 82 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: over the weekend that uh you know there they are 83 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: basically really interested in urban Meyer and they think that 84 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: is the way that one is going to go. And 85 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: my feeling about it is I would just approach with caution. 86 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: You know. Urban Meyer is a guy who left jobs 87 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: at forty five, forty six, and fifty four, either for 88 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: health reasons or whatever reasons, and walked away from his 89 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: teams and so and again that doesn't mean anything, but 90 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: I must say I'm reminded of fifteen years ago when 91 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: Nick Staben signed for five years with Wayne Heizenga. He 92 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: was finally going to get the Miami Dolphins back on 93 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: the Schula track. Well, you know, twenty three months later, 94 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: he's sitting in again and with Wayne Hizenga saying I'm sorry, 95 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: I want out, and he's fifteen and seventeen. And then 96 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: he's the coach of Alabama the next day. So again, 97 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, look, Urban Myers never lost in his life. 98 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Dan put an underline under that he has never lost 99 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: in his life. He's taking oh, he would be taking 100 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: over a team that has won twenty five percent of 101 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: its games over the last three years. This is not 102 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't care if you draft Trevor Lawrence and Jim 103 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: Brown and Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice. You know you're 104 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: gonna lose, and probably quite a bit. So I don't know, 105 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: we'll see. I think, hey, look they ought to fact fine, 106 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: they ought to be interested. I get it, and maybe 107 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: they should hire him, but I certainly don't think it's 108 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: a Nirvana hire necessarily. If they hire him. Yeah, I 109 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: had a source last night say Ryan Day would be 110 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: more attractive to him if you're the Jags, because you've 111 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: got a guy who at least has been in the 112 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: NFL with I think the Eagles, in the Niners, and 113 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: he's a younger guy. And the other thing about Ryan 114 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: Day Dan is when Mike Rabel was pursuing either the 115 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: Indianapolis or the Tennessee job in twenty eighteen, he told 116 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: the general managers in both places that most likely Ryan Day, 117 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: that's the guy who I want to be to be 118 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: my offensive coordinator. And there was a lot of hesitancy there, 119 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, get a more established guy like uh, 120 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: you know, like maybe Daryl Bevil or or somebody else. 121 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: But you know, Mike obviously has landed with the absolutely 122 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: perfect guy in Arthur Smith. But I do think that 123 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: Ryan day is interesting to a lot of teams in 124 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: the NFL. The Jacksonville job or the Jets job with 125 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: the ones that are open, what do you think is 126 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: more desirable. Well, I think both jobs would be really 127 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: interesting to me. But I would have to know several things, 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: especially about control, because the Jets history is just replete 129 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: with changes and failures, and you know, trying something for 130 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: two years and then moving on. I want to know 131 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: about how solidly you're going to do this. I thought 132 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: it was an encouraging sign that Joe Douglas got a 133 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: six year contract, so that job is better than it 134 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: was before Joe Douglas took it. And they've got two 135 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: ones each of the next two years. If they choose 136 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: to trade Sam Darnold or choose to trade that pick, 137 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: they could have a lot better draft status in twenty 138 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: twenty one. But I think the Jags is a good 139 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: job too. But it is all about the people who 140 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: surround you. Talking to Peter King, his column Football Morning 141 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: in America is out looking at the playoffs. Here, you know, 142 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: a short work week here for Jared Goff that surgically 143 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: repaired thumb, which the likelihood he'll be available for the 144 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: game against Seattle. You know, all I know is that 145 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: is what McVay said after the game last night. We 146 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't think it's a disaster if 147 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: he doesn't play, because, honestly, you know, if he doesn't play, 148 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Dan he had this had not been a good year 149 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: for Jared Goff at all, and he had a very 150 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: poor game, a couple of very poor games down the stretch. 151 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying that John Walford is better 152 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: than Jared Goff. I'm saying that Jared Goff has really 153 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: hit a hit a rut. And I would much rather 154 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: have Jared Goff play in the game, no question about it. 155 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't like to have a sixty eight percent 156 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: Jared Goff play in the game. I'd rather just see 157 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: if Wolford could do it and then see if golf 158 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: could be ready the following week if they beat Seattle. 159 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: I wonder what the Bears would be doing today if 160 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: they didn't make the playoffs, if Arizona one would we 161 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: be looking at that situation differently with the head coach, 162 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: with Mitchell Trubisky and the fact they make the playoffs, Now, 163 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: what do you do with Mitchell Trubisky. I think Matt 164 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Nagie is going to return, and I think he would 165 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: have returned even if the mathematics didn't work out, that 166 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: they would have made the playoffs. I think Ryan Pace 167 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: that's another story. I don't think they've made that decision yet, 168 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: but I do think his status is up in the air. 169 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: As far as Trubisky goes. My feeling is that what 170 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: the Bears probably will end up doing is bringing in 171 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: a young quarterback for the future of the job and 172 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: basically saying to Mitchell Trubisky, we'd love to have you 173 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: back at a reasonable number, And if you can come 174 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: back at a reasonable number knowing that there's going to 175 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: be competition for the job, that's great. And in my opinion, 176 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: Trubisky is going to find a better opportunity somewhere else, 177 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: just my guests, and a lot can be a lot 178 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: can be determined by what happens in this playoff playoff game. 179 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: What if Trubisky shocks the world and the Bears win 180 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: the game in New Orleans, then I think there's a 181 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: very good chance he would stay. But I do think 182 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: that he's not coming back to a clean job where 183 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: he's the man did Tom Brady live up to the hype, 184 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: the expectations, Well, I would say this Dan. After the 185 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: game last night yesterday, Bruce Arians said my goal for 186 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: him was a forty touchdown ten interception season, and he 187 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: was forty and twelve. And Arians put an addendum on that, 188 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: he said, to be able to do this without much practice, 189 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: with no off season program, basically learning on the fly 190 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: starting in the middle of August, essentially is absolutely amazing. 191 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: And I agree with him this. For Tom Brady to 192 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: have one of his finest ears, which under by any measure, 193 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: second most touchdown passes he's ever had, and you can say, well, 194 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: he's got a great a great supporting cast. He does. 195 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: But for him to have been able to do that 196 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: is just another just another star in his galaxy, showing 197 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: that he's the greatest quarterback of all time. If I 198 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: let you make your Super Bowl pick again, do a 199 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: do over. I don't know. I'm like everybody else. I've 200 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: really enamored of Buffalo I picked. I'd picked Buffalo in 201 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: Green Bay. It would be the all time Russ Belt 202 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, And I don't know how i'd pick. I'd 203 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: probably pick Green Bay. I just trust Rogers so much. 204 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: Right now the way he's playing. And I wonder, because 205 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: Kansas City didn't have anything to play for, if if 206 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: it factored in on who's going to win the MVP 207 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: with you know, Rogers still putting up big numbers, whereas 208 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: Mahomes the last couple of weeks, you know, didn't have to. 209 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: And I wonder if if the voters, I think the 210 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: votes have to be in on Wednesday, Wednesday, Yeah, yeah, 211 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers may have won the MVP the last 212 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: two weeks, that's a really good question. I think at 213 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: the beginning of December, in my opinion, Josh Allen wasn't 214 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: much of a factor. You know, he played his way 215 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: into this. He may have passed Mahomes right now, and 216 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: I haven't made my final determination what I'm gonna do. 217 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: It's either going to be Rogers or Allen. I think 218 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: it's very close. I'd probably say Rogers that would have 219 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: a slight lead with me. But I dan every year 220 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: for these awards. I spend maybe two or three hours 221 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: today late in the day just you know, no phone, 222 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: know anything, and just really trying to give this significant thought. 223 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to anybody. I don't want 224 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: to know anything. I just want to be able to 225 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: think about it myself. The other one that's really hard 226 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: this year is defensive Player of the Year. You know, 227 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: Zavie and Howard you could argue had a better year 228 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: this year than Stefan Gilmore had last year. Stefan Gilmore 229 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: beat out Aaron Donald last year, so shouldn't Zavie and 230 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: Howard beat out Aaron Donald this year? And That's something 231 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: I've got to think about too. You got a busy 232 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: day ahead of you, No, I don't. Now. I got 233 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: a great nap coming up. Dam I didn't go to 234 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: bed till five to fifteen, so I'll have a good 235 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: nap and then I'm going to get up, clear eye 236 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: and whatever it is, and I'll figure everything out. Thank you, Pete. 237 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: We appreciate you getting up and always appreciate the column. 238 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Foot All Morning in America. Peter King, NBC Sports dot Com, 239 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: thank you. We appreciate it all the best. Dan, thank 240 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: you all right, thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick 241 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 242 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific 243 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. 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I think every everywhere 254 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: I go, every every radio station I listen to, my 255 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: friends are texting me. People have a sour taste in 256 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: their mouth this morning after what happened last night in 257 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: South Philadelphia. If this wasn't on national TV last night, 258 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: there's a national uproar because the integrity of the game, 259 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: and you know, it doesn't sound like Doug Peterson's telling 260 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: the truth, but the fact that it's a standalone game, 261 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: everybody has an opinion on this. If this was a 262 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: one o'clock game, would there be this much outrage? Well, 263 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: it was on National TV, so I think there's justifiable outrage. 264 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: I personally, do you know, and I think there's sadness 265 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: at the same time. Let me explain myself, Dan, Let 266 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: me explain myself. I know the sacrifices that the players 267 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: and the coaches, any team officials around the league made 268 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: this year, and their families to put on two hundred 269 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: and fifty six football games in a regular season. I 270 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: know the sacrifices that my colleagues at ESPN and other 271 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: communications companies and reporters from all over had to make. 272 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: I know the sacrifices me and my family had to make. 273 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, wearing a mask everywhere, everywhere you go, looking 274 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: for an enemy that has no perimeter, where everything is 275 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: a possible threat to your life and health all of 276 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: the time. And I thought that the league and the 277 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: players Association did a magnificent job in the pandemic to 278 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: put on the twenty two hundred fifty six games. And 279 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: this was the last game. This was number two hundred 280 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: and fifty six, And it was supposed to be a 281 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: celebration of the ending of a regular season in a pandemic, 282 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: if you could do that, and also of the greatness 283 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: of Ron Rivera coming back from cancer to win the division, 284 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: and the greatness of the struggle of Alex Smith, the 285 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: seventy leg surgeries, hardly can walk, was going to maybe 286 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: lose his leg to his career. Perhaps his life comes 287 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: back and wins the game, and instead we're talking about this, 288 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: And that's where the sadness part comes in. So, you know, 289 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: if I'm the end, if I'm the NFL, if I'm 290 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, I'm putting on my Keenes Saw Mountain Land 291 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: as pants on right now, and I'm doing a forensic 292 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: investigation of what went down. You're being serious totally two 293 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: thousand percent. What could the punishment be? Well, that's a 294 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: good question, you know. Um, let's not jump to punishment yet. 295 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: Let's just find out what happened here. Because if you're 296 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: saying to me that you were playing to win the game, well, 297 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: and really, who's buying that? So you think Doug Peterson 298 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: was lying? Well was it was a must lie situation 299 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: after the game? So well, yeah, I mean, I'm not 300 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: going to go there. I just want to know what happened. 301 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: I think people want to know. I think people haven't 302 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: read you know, don't you Well I would have. If 303 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: you want to see what you have in Nate Sudfeld, 304 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: then start him. Don't bring him in with you know, 305 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: you're down three points, And I mean you could have 306 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: made this decision on a Tuesday or Wednesday and say 307 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: we want to see what we have with him, not 308 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: bring him in where if they're throwing him into the 309 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: fire in more ways than one at that stage of 310 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: the game, that's my problem with it. You want to 311 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: play the guy, play the guy, Let the let the 312 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, Washington team know Nate Sudfeld's going to be 313 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: the starter, but don't tell me he gives you a 314 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: better chance to win the game than Jalen Hurts does. Well, 315 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: there's no question about it. I agree with you. It 316 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: should have started in that you wanted to play him. 317 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: This is the first opportunity the young man's had to 318 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: play all year long. I actually went through the media 319 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: guy trying to find out if he had thrown a 320 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: pass up to this point, and he had not, So 321 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's worth the time of the 322 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: league to find out what happened. You know what's weird 323 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: those sound is we yell at the Jags if they 324 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: try to win a game. We criticize the Jets if 325 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: they try to win a game, and then we're critical 326 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: of the Eagles who didn't really care about trying to 327 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: win the game, Like, yeah, but I'm you didn't hear me, 328 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: or I think people who are you know, I didn't. 329 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: I didn't criticize the Jets for going out there and 330 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: beating the Rams. Far far from it. I didn't. And 331 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: I think that people who are interested in protecting the 332 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: integrity of the game know that Hermit was right hello 333 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: to play to win the game. What should Eagle ownership do? Well, 334 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: that's the good question, right, I mean, And that's why 335 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: I think the league meets to make a phone call 336 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: find out what happened here? Where, where? Where was this 337 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: decision made and how was it made? Because I think, 338 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, the again, the outrage is justifiable, but there's 339 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: also an element of sadness year and I think everybody 340 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: needs to just take a step back and find out 341 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: what happened. If it was done, um with the full 342 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 1: knowledge of the organization, or did the head coach just 343 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: make this decision to insert Nate Sudfeld and not kick 344 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: the field goal to tie the game? You know, I 345 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think that I'm what I'm saying 346 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: is terribly off piece here. I think, um, I think 347 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: it's people. If you were in Philly this morning and 348 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: these are Philadelphia Eagles fans, people who support the team, 349 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: people are outraged in I didn't I didn't know that 350 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: they would be out right unless they felt embarrassed or 351 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: whatever that feeling is because you improved your draft stock. 352 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: You don't like the Giants, you didn't want the Giants 353 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: to make the plan. Like. I don't know how petty 354 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: it gets, and you know, I'm not involved in that rivalry, 355 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: but it feels like it was mission accomplished by the 356 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: Eagles organization last night. Yeah. I don't think anybody's taken 357 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: that deal. Okay, I don't think anybody's taken that deal. 358 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: I haven't heard it publicly. I haven't heard it publicly 359 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: stated or at all. Zero. I mean I've been I've 360 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: been listening all morning, and I've been getting texts from 361 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: friends and talking to people who are Eagles friends. You 362 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: gotta remember, I was a reporter at the Philadelphia Inquirer. 363 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: I came to Philadelphia as a reporter. I don't have 364 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: any skin in the game. I'm not an Eagles fan. 365 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a Giants fan. I'm not a Washington Football 366 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: team fan. I'm just looking at this as Okay, what 367 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: hacks in here, let's hand out what happened. I think 368 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: people want to know. People deserve it explanation within mutually exclusive. 369 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: It was a nationally televised game, mutually exclusive that it 370 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: happened at the end of the season where a lot 371 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: of people put their health in safety on the line 372 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: to complete the season. I think you just look at 373 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: it from the standpoint of what this decision made really 374 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: to win the game? Or did did Doug Peterson turn 375 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: himself into Sam Hinky? I think it's I shouldn't laugh, 376 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: but I they're only how many games in the NBA 377 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: seventy two? So there's only sixteen, you know, I mean 378 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: this time, this kind of stuff is not supposed to 379 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: happen in the National Football League. We have this. I 380 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: don't have to remind you. We see it all the time. Man. 381 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: There's not millions, but billions a year bet on the NFL, 382 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: and it's now big business that the NFL is part of. 383 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: Now you bring up all these are valid points, and 384 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: the NFL knows that it has a problem. And when 385 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: they go to seventeen games, you're going to have more 386 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: meaningless games. There's you know like that. Yes, absolutely, if 387 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: for no other reason then to send a message that 388 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff can't happen at the end of 389 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: the year because we are going to add another game. 390 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: You have to do at least do due diligence and 391 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: find out what happened here because you're trying to protect 392 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people and a lot of money. I'll 393 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: leave you with this. If you're a team looking for 394 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback, would you trade for Carson Wentz? Absolutely, no 395 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: matter what the price is. Well, obviously the process to 396 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: be right, and then the circumstances have to be right. 397 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: But if I'm Fernick Wright and I know Philip Rivers 398 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: is RETIRINGT and he's going to go into the broadcast 399 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: booth or wherever, I'm trading for Carson Wentz, he's your 400 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: best option. Carson Wentz is a hard working, hard nosed, 401 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: tough football player. Does he have flaws. Yes, He's not 402 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: Joe Montana, He's not Johnny Unitis. He has some flaws 403 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: that can be fixed and coached up. He's just termed 404 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: twenty eight. He's got probably ten if he protects himself 405 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: and he's protected probably properly. Ten to twelve years to 406 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: play in the current NFL. He has a strong arm 407 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: and you know he needs to be coached up. And 408 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: we all need at some point, dan in our lives, 409 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: a change of venue. We all need a fresh start, 410 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what it is. Now all of us can 411 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: spend twenty five years at the ESPN like me. Thanks, hey, 412 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, you too, you too, mad and you 413 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: know I love I love you guys, thank you for 414 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: reaching out. But you have to somewhat agree with me 415 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: that this is not done. Where it's not over. There 416 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: needs to be a follow up somewhere along the line. Now, 417 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: Berk Peterson and Hanley Roseman are going to speak on 418 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: a zoom call in about eleven minutes from the Novacare facility. 419 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what kind of questions they've got 420 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: and what kind of answers they have. But this is 421 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: this is something that's outraged people who support the team. 422 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: Is what I'm trying to say to you. I appreciate 423 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: you go joining us and uh and thank you that 424 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: this I think we're going to take about. Is this 425 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: the best segment we've had in so far? No doubt, 426 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: no doubt. Okay, well, congratulate yes, top three for sure, 427 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: top three segments so far this year, or so in 428 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: a millisecond from segments at top three. I mean, if 429 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: the worst even come out of a big Man spot 430 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: and it was three, I better get off the phone. Yes, five, Yes, 431 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: because we've been on the air for eighty minutes in 432 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Don't screw it up. Don't don't pull 433 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: a Doug Peterson here, all right, gotcha? All right? Thank you. 434 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: So that's South Palantonio on loan for the Mothership. Be 435 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick 436 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: Show week days at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 437 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart Radio WAP. We 438 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: were just recapping the South Palantonio interview during the commercial break, 439 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: and I didn't know how serious he was, and then 440 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 1: I realized that he was being very serious. And then 441 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: PAULI goes, yeah, you shouldn't be surprised that he was 442 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: so serious. Do you remember the Super Bowl in Texas? 443 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: In Houston, We're at an Irish pub and a guy 444 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: is giving me grief and I wouldn't do a shot 445 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: with him, and he kept saying, I said, look, I'll 446 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: take a picture. I don't want to do a shot. 447 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: This guy has given me, you know, he's in my face, 448 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: and Sal is next to me, and Sal's not involved 449 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: in the conversation, and Sal Palantonio's arms are back, and 450 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: he later said, if the guy hits you, then I 451 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: was going to drop him. So Sal is just standing 452 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: said exactly that. Yeah, he was standing there just watching 453 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: this guy, and all of a sudden, the guy finally 454 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: walked away, and then Sal goes, if he hits you, 455 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: I was going to drop him. And I go oh, 456 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: because I didn't know what Sal was doing. But he's 457 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: staring this guy down. So former military guy, man, tough guy. 458 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: He's not soft like David Pollock, the ESPN college football analyst, 459 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: He's not a tough guy. David joins us. Now, good morning, Dave, 460 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. How are you, buddy? Happy? Now? You're 461 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: doing great, brother. When's the last time, last time you 462 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: were in a fight. Oh, that's easy. When I was 463 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: when I was a football player, I got to fight 464 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: almost every single day of practice of every practice of 465 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: my Georgia career. It was a it was a very 466 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: consistent theme, and it was it was not You look 467 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: back on it now and you probably would change the 468 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: way you acted, maybe a little bit, but I was 469 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: way too hyper competitive and I've gotten a lot of 470 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: fights in practice. How about a non football I've never 471 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: been in a non football fight in my life, so 472 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: I've never had anybody asked to do a shot with me. Dan, 473 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: that's the problem. I guess I needed somebody to do 474 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: a shot with me. But now I've never been in 475 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: a fifth fight off off of the football field of 476 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: my life, so that's kind of it's kind of crazy. 477 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: At least Tom Ronaldi could have done a shot with 478 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: you before he left to go to Fox. Yeah, Timmy, 479 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Timmy and shots would be a fun experience. Probably, Well, 480 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: you probably get to ask why a lot of what's 481 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: going on in your life? All right? Um, Urban to Jacksonville. 482 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I know, just rumors, speculation. If you were him, what 483 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: would you do? Well, I mean, if you want a 484 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: coach and you and you have that, it's to scratch 485 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: and they're gonna pay me how much like five to 486 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: six million dollars a year. I mean, if I'm him, 487 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: then I could see it making a lot of sense. 488 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: I just don't I think Urban Meyer's a home run 489 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: at any university, in any college. He's already proven that. 490 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: But I just NFL is a different ballgame. It's different clientele. 491 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: You're dealing with grown men, and you don't necessarily control 492 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: them as much as you control college kids and control everything. 493 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: So listen, Jacksonville set up for success, dude. It's I mean, 494 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: all that money they have in free agency, they got 495 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: the number one pick, they got two first round picks, 496 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: two second round pick. I mean, they're they're loaded. It's 497 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: a it's a great destination to be in. You're gonna 498 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: get Trevor Lawrence with the number one pick, one of 499 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: the most talented quarterbacks we've seen in a long time, 500 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: so it would make sense for him. I wouldn't bet 501 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: on him being a successful NFL coach and turning that 502 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: thing around and going to winning Super Bowls, but I 503 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: would at the college ranks wherever he goes, I would 504 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: say he's gonna win. Are you completely sold on Trevor 505 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: Lawrence being the number one overall pick. Let's say Urban 506 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: goes to Jacksonville and you got Justin Fields there, who 507 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: you coached. You watch that game, so you sold on 508 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence being no doubt number one overall. I mean, 509 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: if you just watch that game, you go Justin Fields, 510 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: Holy cow, he's the number one pick right like that, 511 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: that's the best guy on the planet, especially showing the 512 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: toughness checking the football down. If you go back and 513 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: watch a couple of games throughout the season with Indiana 514 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: and Northwestern, I was like, who is this guy? I 515 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: mean Justin Fields started the season. After the first two games, 516 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: then I was like, Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence are 517 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: neck and neck. They are right next to each other. 518 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: And I got looked at it like I was crazy. 519 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: And then the next three or four games happened and 520 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: I was crazy. And then you see yesterday or the 521 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: other day with the Sugar Bowl and you're like, holy cow, 522 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: like this guy's unbelievable. So I think that when you 523 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: look at when you look at Fields, he can throw 524 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: the football accurately. He's big, he's strong, and he's tough. 525 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: He doesn't see things as fast as I would like to. 526 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: But Trevor Lawrence is He's very, very special because you 527 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: just forget he six six and he can throw over 528 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: top of everybody, and he's two thirty. He can break 529 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: tackles and he's you know, four six speed, and he 530 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: can run so I think I think he's got all 531 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: the gifts now list. I will say this, I don't 532 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: think Clemson maximized his gifts like they didn't do it. 533 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: They don't. I don't know how well he throws over 534 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, Dan like I would love 535 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: to be able to say Trevor can make all the throws, 536 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: but he doesn't throw over linebackers between safeties. That offense 537 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: is a perimeter oriented offense. It spits it out. It's 538 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot of screen. So if you look at bit height, weight, speed, intangibles, 539 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: flowing locks, great hair like he's got, he checks a 540 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: lot of boxes. So I think I think he'll be 541 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: the number one picking. I think he'll be very successful. 542 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: I had an NFL scout who watched the Notre Dame 543 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: game and he said, the following Notre Dame still doesn't 544 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: have perimeter speed to cover. And that's the big issue here. Um, 545 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, the offense is they were trying to, you know, 546 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: establish the running game and keep the offense off the field. 547 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: They had a game plan, but the scouts said, you know, 548 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: you you gotta have perimeter speed, and it's it's a 549 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: glaring weakness with Notre Dame. So is that all that 550 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: is separating Notre Dame from you know, Clemsoner, Alabama or 551 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: Ohio State's it, that's all like when they got destroyed 552 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: in two thousan and twelve, Brian Kelly changed the way 553 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: he recruited and changed the way he focused, and he 554 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: got the line of scrimmage great. By the way, their 555 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: offensive line Notre Dame. Okay, I'll give you at the 556 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: lowest three in the country, third best in the country, 557 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: mauling people, great up in front, physical um, smart, picks up, 558 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: blitz is great at everything. But you watched Davante Smith 559 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: and he throws a simple bubble route. By the way, Dan, 560 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: if they were playing two in touch football, Davante Smith 561 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: touchdowns one in thirty five yards like they were not 562 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: even close. Too fast enough, quick enough on the perimeter. 563 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: That's the missing components. They need speed on defensive corner, 564 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: in the skill spot. They need wide receivers that can go. 565 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at McKinley is a great big body, 566 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: six four two third. He can't run. Scarnecki is a 567 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: great big body. He's not separating from anybody. So you 568 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: have the play calling ability, you have the line of 569 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: scrimmage now taken care of. But now you need some dudes, 570 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: some straight dudes that can fly. That's the that's the 571 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: one locking component for Notre Dame. Are you sold on 572 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith next level? Oh? Yeah, I mean he's he's 573 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: as good as you've seen man. Yeah, but we've had 574 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: rugs before and I don't I don't know. It feels 575 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: like there is that Alabama receiver and he does have 576 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: that burst, like there's something about him when he gets 577 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: around the corner and then he just does something that 578 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: is completely different than anybody else that I've seen in 579 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: a long time. He's like Anthony Carter at Michigan, Like 580 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: he's thin, he's really small. But you know they can 581 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: they can bully you around in the NFL. So I 582 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: don't think I will say this about that. I do 583 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: think you can get bullied in the NFL, But now 584 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: you're starting to see so much, so many systems that 585 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: protect you from that and stacking wide receivers behind each other. 586 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: I see. My comparison for him is Marvin Harrison. I 587 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: think he's because his routes are exceptional. He catches He's 588 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: not big, but he catches fifty fifty balls. Really big. 589 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: He catches, he comes back to the football, he's great 590 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: after the catch, and his routes are very precise. I 591 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't have told you that about Rugs a year ago. 592 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: I'll tell you Rugs can flat fly. He can run 593 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: as well as anybody in the country, but he wasn't 594 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,959 Speaker 1: his detailed in his routes as a guy like Davante Smith. 595 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: Davante Smith I think is a home running now. Listen, 596 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy was too, But Jerry Dudy's with Drew Locke 597 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: in Denver. I mean, your situation definitely dictates how well 598 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: you can be. But he's definitely a guy. He's a 599 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: top ten pick in the NFL, and I think he 600 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: can do some damage in the right system. But I 601 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: also wondered about this though, David. And when you're trying 602 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: to as set like Tuah, you know, I see Twa 603 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: with the Dolphins and he feels a little exposed, whereas 604 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow I was curious if he was going to 605 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: be exposed not having those weapons in Cincinnati. Uh, you know, 606 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: justin Herbert with the Chargers. Trying to assess how good 607 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: a quarterback is, Like, I don't know how good Mac 608 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: Jones is I know that day he's got a great 609 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: running back. It got some open receivers there, I don't 610 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: I think it's really hard for these scouts to look 611 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: at some of these Like Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State. 612 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: He had one year and I could have had some 613 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: of those wide receivers I think in the game against Michigan. 614 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: So I don't know how you can assess somebody for 615 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: the next level based off of the talent around them. 616 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: And that's that's the hardest part, Like the hardest part 617 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: is understanding that. Just Justin Herbert, I think is the 618 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: best example you mentioned, because Justin Herbert played in a 619 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: scheme that sucked, and by the way you look at 620 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: you look at Justin Herbert, he is just like Trevor 621 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: Lawrence and including the hair, like big, tall, strong athletic. 622 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: You watch him throw a football and you're like, yeah, yeah, 623 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: I'll take it. And then you watch the system and 624 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: how it was built and how it was creating, You're like, no, 625 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: this is an awful system. They don't let him play free, 626 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: they don't let him be him and make those big 627 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: time throws, make big time reads. He goes to the 628 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: NFL and he killed it. That's the hardest part is 629 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: comparing systems and what you're working with. I mean, you 630 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: look at TWA he had four first round picks. You 631 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: can throw Wattle and Smith in there now with Judy 632 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: and Ruggs. Yeah, we can complete a lot of those 633 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: passes then and it look really good. But I'll tell 634 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: you the one thing that's different to me about mac Jones. 635 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: Mac Jones pocket presence and accuracy is pretty stupid. Like 636 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: he is not an athlete, and he'll tell you that 637 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: by the way. He'll tell you I'm not very athletic. 638 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: But he slides, he goes through his progressions and I 639 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: love the way he checks it down to. The one 640 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: worry I had about two it was he played in 641 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: an all RPO bassed system. It was all RPOs and 642 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: he's really good at it. You don't live on that. 643 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: In the NFL, Joe Burrow played quarterback like an NFL quarterback, 644 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: so and then Herbert played in the system that was 645 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: terrible and I didn't love watching it. So, yeah, it's 646 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: exceptionally difficult to do it. If I don't talk to 647 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: you before the national title game, Ohio State will win 648 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: because of what Justin Fields in that offense being who 649 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: they were in the ballgame, like what we already saw. 650 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: They they have the by the way, when we were 651 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: going through Clemson, Ohio State, Clemson, Ohio State, like I 652 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: was like Ohio State better on the offensive line, Ohio 653 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: State better at receiver, like Ohio State. They have all 654 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: these checks and all these all this athleticism on the 655 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: offensive side of the football. Justin Field just wasn't using it. 656 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: If Justin Fields plays like that, we're in for a 657 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: heck of a showdown. He just has a tendency to 658 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: play different than that and more aggressive and make more 659 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: mistakes and not see things as clearly. But if he 660 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: plays like that, and then we're going to see the 661 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, we've already graduated, by the way, like college 662 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: football is. College football is now. College football has gone 663 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: to it's basically Madden, except for we put it on 664 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 1: the exhibition mode. We don't put it on all Madden anymore. 665 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: Defense is stink like. It's so hard to get stopped 666 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: because there's so much speed, there's so much cheating by 667 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: the offense because you're allowed to block down field and 668 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: all this garbage I'll get into another time. But so offense. 669 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: I think you're looking at if he plays similar to that, 670 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: we're looking at a high scoring forty something to forty 671 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: something entertaining game. Great appearance is always, David. We appreciate 672 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: your joining us is always. Happy new Year, and we'll 673 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: hopefully talk to you soon. Happy new Dan, Thank you 674 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: about Thank you by thanks David Paulock, a former since 675 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 1: Santy Bengal first round pick. Thanks for listening to The 676 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live 677 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine 678 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us 679 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,479 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live 680 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: on the Peacock app. Be sure to catch the live 681 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am 682 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 683 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app. This is how it sounded yesterday. Is 684 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns qualified for the playoffs with a win 685 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: against the Steelers. Twelve thousand are going crazy inside First 686 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: Energy Stadium and wherever you are. This is starting to 687 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: become very very real that the Brons are gonna go 688 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. They're in victory formation. Baker Mayfield takes 689 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: a knee and a clerk will wide down an amazing story. 690 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: The Browns will get their eleventh twin of the year. 691 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: They'll go to eleven at five and they're going to 692 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's Jim Donovan, the play by Playboys, So 693 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, long time sports fixture in Cleveland, and 694 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: Jim kind enough to join us this morning. It's been 695 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: a long time since you've been able to have a 696 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: call like that, hasn't it, Jimmy, Yeah, it really has. 697 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 1: Dan long to eighteen long year with a lot of 698 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: twists and turns in there. What would have been like 699 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: today if the Browns didn't make the playoffs, Oh, it 700 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: would have been devastating. It really wouldn't have been. And 701 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Dan, it had kind of 702 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: that kind of an uneasy feeling because of what happened 703 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: going into the Jets game, and you know, the Browns 704 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: if they win that game, they're going to go to 705 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs. And then the coronavirus thing hit and they 706 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: lose all those wide receivers. And even in the stadium 707 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: yesterday knowing that they went and they're end it was 708 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: very tight all day long. If they had if it 709 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: had gone the other way, it would have been devastating. 710 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: It really would have been. But it felt like that's 711 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: eighteen years of you, you know, like that frustration sounded 712 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: like it was you were speaking for Browns fans, but 713 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: you're speaking for yourself as well. I mean that it 714 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: comes through loud and clear. How much did you feel 715 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: like you needed to like scream or yell or unload something? Well, 716 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Dan, it really hit me 717 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: um and and the react finally got the first one 718 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 1: and there's no way you're just gonna take a knee 719 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: and get out of there and they're gonna make the playoffs. 720 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: It really hit me in a lot of different ways 721 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: because there were so many times during you know, my 722 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: tenure doing their games that they just seemed, you know, 723 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: so lost in what they were doing. And there was 724 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: there were so many reboots and you never knew if 725 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: the next one was going to be the right one. 726 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: And I didn't know if this one was going to 727 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 1: be the right one, you know, the way it came 728 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: upon us last year, But it was it was very emotional, 729 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: it really was. And I wish the place had been packed, 730 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: I really do. It would have been a great, great scene, 731 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: as they say, it would have been great theater in there. 732 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: Yesterday Cleveland sold on Baker Mayfield. Yeah, I think so, 733 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: I think in the last but I think it's it's 734 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: taken the second half of this season. I think just 735 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,240 Speaker 1: before the bye week, everybody was really still concerned about it. Interceptions, 736 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: his numbers in that category were up, they were way 737 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: up last year. But then after they hit the bye week, 738 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: he really took off. And whatever they did with him 739 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: in the bye week, you know how they can make 740 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: some subtle changes with the offense, and he really got hot. 741 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: And I think yesterday he kind of did it a 742 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: different way. He didn't do it with his arm a 743 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: number of times he did it with his legs. He 744 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: ran for a couple of big first downs to preserve 745 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: the lead and build on the lead. So I think 746 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: Cleveland is very comfortable with him right now and they 747 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: see him getting better and better inside this system. What 748 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: about Obj's future there, I think that, you know, that's 749 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: a that's a big talking point here always because with 750 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: him here, I mean there was a there's certainly a 751 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: presence with him, and you know he did have he's 752 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: had isolated great games here, but they weren't great last year, 753 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: and he was disappointed with what they were doing. I 754 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: think that I think for him, he wants to be 755 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: a part of a winning team. I think he sees 756 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: this thing as a winning team. I think that they're 757 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: very open and excited to have him back because there 758 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: is something missing in their offense without him, you know, 759 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: that that ability to hit a big home run ball 760 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,919 Speaker 1: all the time. I think it would be a good 761 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: marriage if he comes back next year. I think that 762 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: they're excited to see him healthy once again and a 763 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: part of the team. Playing the Steelers again. Yeah, advantage 764 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: who oh, I would have to say advantage Steelers. They're 765 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: at home, They'll have all of their guys back. I 766 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: mean big Ben has he certainly has had the Browns 767 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: number since he came into the NFL. And the fact 768 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: that the Browns, and it doesn't matter Dan what the 769 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 1: regime is or who the coaches or who the players are, 770 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: there is a real mental wall to get over to 771 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: try and win at hines Field. I mean they've only 772 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: done it once since they've opened up hines Field, so 773 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: that's a big, big factor. And they've lost games in 774 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways in there, they've been in him, 775 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: They've lost them in a heartbreaking fashion. They're one trip 776 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. There's a heartbreaking loss at hines Field. 777 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: So that's a big hurdle for them. That's that's a 778 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: big step for them. Do you remember the lowest of 779 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: lows in a Browns game? Yeah, I think when they 780 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: were those two years, the one in fifteen, but the 781 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: O in sixteen and the last game in that O 782 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: and sixteen season was at hines Field, and it looked 783 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: and the Steelers weren't playing anybody because they had already 784 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: had their playoff position all decided, and the Brons are 785 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: going down the field to kind of win the game, 786 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: and you know, they drop a pass on fourth down 787 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: that was a simple throw. They would have gotten them 788 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: the first down and it would have been first in goal. 789 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: And I just said, oh my god, I mean that 790 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: is that? That just says at all. And then a 791 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: week later, Dan and you guys probably remember this. I mean, 792 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: they had a parade in Cleveland for the O and 793 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: sixteen season and it was like twenty five below wind 794 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: chill down at the stadium and there were ten thousand 795 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: people there. That was a low point. I felt, well, 796 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: congrats you're you're an announcer play by play voice for 797 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: a playoff team. It feels great. Yeah, no vacation for 798 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: you in January. Jim, that's okay, not much, not much 799 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: going on anyway around here. Great to talk to you. 800 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: Thanks and have fun this weekend. We will. Thanks a lot. Dan, 801 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. That's Jim Donovan. He's the play by 802 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: play voice of the Cleveland Browns. He's been he was 803 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: doing local sports. I might have been in Dayton, Ohio 804 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: at the time. Jim's been around doing Cleveland sports a long, long, 805 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: long time. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 806 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. 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