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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday everybody. Okay, before we get into some data

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Speaker 1: on the episode, I want to talk about a little

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Speaker 1: backlash that I'm dealing with. I landed myself in some

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Speaker 1: hot water, which you know, so rare for me that

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Speaker 1: I but I have to address.

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Speaker 2: So I wrote an opp.

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Speaker 1: Of the Daily Wire. My buddy Ben Domenich is the

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Speaker 1: opinion editor there. He's on Fox. You've seen him probably,

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Speaker 1: you know if you catch if you watch the network.

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Speaker 1: And he asked me to write an opinion piece, and

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Speaker 1: I was. I was lucky enough to get to the

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Speaker 1: airport early because of all these lines, and there was

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Speaker 1: no line, so I had forty five minutes. So I

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Speaker 1: wrote not bed regarding the number of quote unquote political

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Speaker 1: influencers who are using their identity as Catholic converts to

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Speaker 1: make a political statement regarding Zionism and Jews and Israel

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Speaker 1: and the war and YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I'm like a little sick of it.

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Speaker 1: So the peace centers around these I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: go buy there because they lately they feed for attention.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to starve the beast I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to name them, but you guys can figure out who

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. These recent Catholic converts who have created

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Speaker 1: political platforms and social media platforms really centered around like

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Speaker 1: I'm a recent Catholic convert.

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Speaker 2: Therefore X, Y and Z and look.

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Speaker 1: A big part of the piece that I wrote, if

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Speaker 1: you haven't read it, is centered on the idea that

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Speaker 1: I am not here to tell anyone what to think,

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Speaker 1: right to quote like friend label wits, or to paraphrase

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Speaker 1: from Lebowitz, my great lot in life is that I'm

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Speaker 1: always a godfather and ever a god. I can't make

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Speaker 1: anyone believe something that I believe, and I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to try it. I give people that you know, the

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Speaker 1: information that I have. I give people data. I let

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Speaker 1: them draw their own conclusions, because it's not worth it

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Speaker 1: to scream into a microphone ntil I have a heart

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Speaker 1: attack like Mark Levin did, But don't use our shared

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Speaker 1: faith are our shared church as a political flat platform

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Speaker 1: to ostracize others, namely Jews. And readers took a lot of offense,

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Speaker 1: especially the two sentences that I wrote in particular, so

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Speaker 1: I want to go through them, and then the overarching

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Speaker 1: defense of the peace. So the first quote was Unlike

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Speaker 1: many branches of Christianity, the Catholic Church does not demand

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Speaker 1: that the faith will be committed Zionists to receive God's blessing.

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Speaker 1: Many prominent members of the Church have spoken out about

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Speaker 1: the plight of civilians in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Totally true, right.

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Speaker 1: The Catholic Church does not say that the current political

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Speaker 1: state of Israel as we know it today is the

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Speaker 1: same as the biblical state of Israel. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of the patriarchs and heads of the churches in the

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Speaker 1: Holy Land have said that Christian zienis it was a

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Speaker 1: false teaching. That's their opinion. But Second Vatican Council as

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Speaker 1: also said that Israel as that we are the people

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Speaker 1: that we are the Church, that it's not the physical

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Speaker 1: and there shouldn't be anything controversial if you believe in

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Speaker 1: Catholic theology. The second part is where they took a

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Speaker 1: lot of offense to certain people. It says that's what

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Speaker 1: understand those teachings, but somehow forget that the Church also

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Speaker 1: rejects any form of anti Semitism, condemns hostility towards Jews,

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Speaker 1: and upholds the enduring Covenant with the Jewish people and

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Speaker 1: as God's chosen people. They have already become cafeteria Catholics,

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Speaker 1: This God, I mean, people raged against me. This comes

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Speaker 1: directly from Second Vatican Council quote. God holds the Jews

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Speaker 1: never been revoked. I'm not saying, you know that.

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Speaker 2: That Jews are better than or you know whatever. It's not.

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Speaker 1: That's not the point, right, It's just citing Catholic teaching.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing I'm saying in contradiction from what the Church teaches.

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Speaker 1: Pope John Paul the Second, Poe John Paul the Second

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Speaker 1: what Catholics believe in, and then immediately rage on Israel

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Speaker 1: and our merely rage on Jews. Say what you want

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Speaker 1: to say, have your position, but don't use the religion

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Speaker 1: being the logic itself, because then you're saying to people, well,

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Speaker 1: therefore believe this as well.

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Speaker 2: That's not the case.

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Speaker 1: And I think and and once again, this is not

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Speaker 1: a majority of converts. It's not a minority of converts.

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Speaker 1: It's like a percentage who are using social media and

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Speaker 1: like this is the platform they're using to rage bait.

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Speaker 1: And I think for some cradle Catholics who have maybe

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Speaker 1: for in the sense that, like who I'm asking them

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Speaker 1: about Israel a lot. I don't do episodes on it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't obsess my mind. I've never been there. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I would like it. I love hummus, like I'm

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Speaker 1: sure the street food is amazing. I want to go

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Speaker 1: for eat, but like I would go on a food tour,

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Speaker 1: not even like a religous tip, which is just like,

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Speaker 1: But I want you to think of a sense of

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Speaker 1: compassion though for people, like think of the American Jewish

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Speaker 2: October seventh happens. It's horrific. It is a horror.

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Speaker 1: It's a true horror, and within twenty four hours as

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Speaker 2: And I said this in the debate with Michael Tracy.

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Speaker 1: Some people really do just like dead Jews, Like some

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Speaker 1: people have that hatred in their heart, and that hatred

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Speaker 2: Hate is a sin.

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Speaker 1: And while it's okay to have a disagreement, you know,

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Speaker 1: to humanize Jews, which is what happened over and over

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Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of people have been saying this,

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Speaker 1: or what you think, but don't use our shared faith

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Speaker 1: to justify hatred. Right, If you have a logical conversation

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Speaker 1: feels at times like you are jumping on a bandwagon

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Speaker 1: the church is. In my opinion, and I'm very, very

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Speaker 1: that exists in America. We have a lot of work

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Speaker 1: my little soapbox and my little article. Read it, don't

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Speaker 1: read it, but that was I wanted to address the outrage.

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Speaker 1: in Florida, because there was a massive backlash against the GOP.

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Speaker 1: The good news for Republicans which is, I know this

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Speaker 1: So I guess that's a strange like a little caveat to,

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Speaker 2: But part of the.

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Speaker 1: Problem is is that the candidates running for office did

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Speaker 2: You and uh. And there's a.

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Speaker 1: Notion going around online that just Republicans just didn't turn out.

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Speaker 1: It's not the truth. Zachar Didni who I mentioned a

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Speaker 1: lot on the show. He's been on the show. He's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Discuss this is Steve Robinson from The Main Wire. He

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Speaker 1: So all things Maine is, including this referendum that's coming

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Speaker 1: So okay, first, let's talk with a ballad referendum because

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Speaker 4: No, Actually, this is it's kind of working in the

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Speaker 4: This is conservative parents have gotten together to effectively stop

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Speaker 4: Representative Laurea Libby posted a very telling picture which showed

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Speaker 4: There were legislative attempts to try to protect women's sports,

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Speaker 3: Voters will decide whether.

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Speaker 4: Or not female athletes should be forced to compete against

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Speaker 4: I mean, Maine is we're different than the other states.

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Speaker 2: It's partly because of her age. She would be an

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Speaker 4: no measure of social science, economic science, you know, whatever

437
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 4: indicator you want to pick to measure the changes that

438
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 4: have occurred in main since she came into office in

439
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen.

440
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: Nothing has gotten better.

441
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 4: Our budgets have gone from eight to nine billion dollars

442
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 4: for a biennium to twelve billion dollars. There's a couple

443
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 4: of billion dollars in COVID stimulus sprinkled in there. No

444
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 4: one knows where that money went. The roads still sucked,

445
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 4: the school still sucks, student performances plummeted, crime is rampant,

446
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: our cities are like scenes from the Walking Dead. Nothing

447
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 4: has gotten better under Governor Janet Mills, and no one

448
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 4: can even No one's even making the argument really that

449
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: things have gotten better. All they're saying is that we

450
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 4: need Democrats to protect us from the you know, the

451
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 4: evil orange man in the White House. That's the most

452
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 4: compelling argument that the statewide Democrats have right now. So

453
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 4: I think that she didn't have a built in base

454
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: of loyalty and fandom going into this primary. And when

455
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 4: Graham Platnerd showed up, You've got all these like beta

456
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: male pajama boys in Portland who see this guy and

457
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 4: they're like, oh my god, maybe some of his testosterone

458
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: will rub off on us. Like here's here's like a

459
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 4: masculine democrat. He can be our hero, he can save them. Uh,

460
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: and they're they're willing to look past the Nazi tattoo

461
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 4: and all the lies that he's told about this thing.

462
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Speaker 3: By the way, you know, I don't know, you've probably

463
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: followed some of the national.

464
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Speaker 2: I did a whole profile on Graham Platinum.

465
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you may.

466
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Speaker 4: You probably saw. He's got a friend who runs a

467
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 4: brewery out in Hancock County who thought he was defending Graham.

468
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 4: And he comes out and uh does this video and

469
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 4: admits in the video that he's talked with Graham like

470
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 4: three or four years ago about the tattoo. So totally

471
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: he thinks he's defending the guy, but totally undermines this

472
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: entire lie he's fabricated about it. So nothing about the

473
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: guy's backstory makes sense. He's know, just a wealthy kid.

474
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: He's a rich kid, like he's.

475
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: That's exactly what he is.

476
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very when you run a business and

477
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: you don't make profit year after year and you don't

478
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: go bankrupt, it's because you're getting money to fund that.

479
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: Well.

480
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Speaker 3: Hi, full full disability, full disability plus.

481
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Speaker 2: Uh you know.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not that much money. That full disability,

483
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: it's but that wouldn't explain his business. I mean, the

484
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: full disability is not that much money in the grand

485
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: skid of things. But his school he went to for

486
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: grammar school sixty thousand dollars a year. A grandfather was

487
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Speaker 1: very wealthy. His father was no small potatoes either. There's

488
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Speaker 1: a lot of money in that family. I think an

489
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Speaker 1: average like like table and chairs that his grandfather made

490
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: is like twelve thousand dollars. It's not like, yeah, he's

491
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Speaker 1: from a wealthy family and he's pretending to be. He's

492
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Speaker 1: doing like like the working man's black face, where he

493
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Speaker 1: pretends to be much what it is.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what is and and I and this is

495
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Speaker 4: kind of local knowledge. But there's no such thing as

496
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: an oyster man, this thing that he came out with.

497
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: When he started calling himself an oysterman, all the people

498
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 4: who actually work on the coast, like commercial fishermen and lobstermen.

499
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: They were like, what the hell is an oyster man.

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Speaker 4: That's not a thing. It's not a word that's in

501
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: common use. No one in Maine describes themselves as an

502
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: oyster man. He just invented that term because it sounded cool.

503
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 4: By the you know, the California and New York consultants

504
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 4: who recruited him to run and that, by the way,

505
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if this has been reported on nationally,

506
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 4: but that's how he ended up in this race was

507
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 4: through an amateur acting gig. He appeared in an aquaculture commercial.

508
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: It was like a four minute long video about salmon

509
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: farming or something, and some consultants out in New York

510
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: saw that video and flew out to Maine and convinced

511
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 4: him to run for office. So he's literally an actor.

512
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Speaker 1: Well, his dad ran for state his dad ran for

513
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: state Senate and either was very good friends or like

514
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: was on the state committee or he was friends with

515
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: the chairman of the state committee, something like that. He's

516
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: friends with the former attorney general, and he's written over

517
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars in checks. The Democratic candidate's federally statewide

518
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: is probably much much more. So there's some politics in

519
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: his background, but it's certainly not He's not This is

520
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: not Jimmy Jimmy Stewart goes to Washington whatever that movie was,

521
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Mister Smith goes to Washington.

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Speaker 2: So like it's not like completely.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right, though it's dead on to say

524
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: that this is, you know, the working down Easter blackface version.

525
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he's doing.

526
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 4: He's he's cost playing, you know, the guy who's actually

527
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 4: got callouses on his hands. But he's he's super soft

528
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 4: and you can tell that he's volatile. You know, he's

529
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: like one one question he doesn't like away from decking

530
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: a reporter. That's what my money's on is he's he's

531
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: going to end up just tweaking out on some reporter

532
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 4: punching him in the.

533
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Speaker 3: Face by Katie Porter exactly.

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00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: You know, I would I would not underestimate uh Janet

535
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Speaker 4: Mills in this race. Though she's tough, she's a survivor.

536
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 4: She's got a lot of friends in Maine. She's been

537
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: around forever. She was a DA she was the attorney general,

538
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: she was a state lawmaker. A lot of people ower favors.

539
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: She's Chuck Schumer's favorite.

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00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: And you know, she might.

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Speaker 4: Have been hesitant to go negative in some gubernatorial primaries,

542
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: but she is a nasty, nasty person and she will

543
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 4: go cutthroat in this and so all the people around

544
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: her who are fighting for their jobs. You know, they

545
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 4: all want to move to Washington, d C. And you

546
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: know BB senate staffer, big wigs and those ads that

547
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: she's running right now. I mean she's blanketing every streaming service. Uh,

548
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: you know they are very effective from the people.

549
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and means what I've done.

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00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: Maine's elected is very female, so she's she knows what

551
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: she's doing. It's so obviously well tested, like I don't

552
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: care what activist democrats say.

553
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Is a very well tested ad.

554
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: By the fact that he did say, I mean this

555
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: is also like a problem with like a certain of

556
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: a person. If you're a man and you're in your

557
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: mid thirties, which is what he was on on you know,

558
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: on platforms all day commenting and giving like you know,

559
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: hot takes about rape, which is what the comments so

560
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: she'd bring on or about how white people are stupid,

561
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: or about like all policemen or bastards something else that

562
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: he said there, if you're doing that in your mid thirties,

563
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: like this is not a fifteen year old, which is

564
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: what he's trying. He's trying to be like, oh I

565
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: was so much younger. No, he when he said he

566
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: was a full blown communist, he was like thirty six

567
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: when he said that it wasn't This wasn't a man

568
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: who was like twelve and when trying to be edgy.

569
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Speaker 1: And in his high school photos, right, I mentioned in

570
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: my episode of high school photo he was holding a

571
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: sign saying free Palestine, Free, Free Palestine, free, single sets

572
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: about free a cashmeir some other random places, like he

573
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: was a Champagne socialist from the jump. It was never

574
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: like this weird tran.

575
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Speaker 3: Yes.

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00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: And you know he also within very recent history, like

577
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: within the last five years, was the shooting instructor for

578
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Speaker 4: the Socialist Rifle Association in Maine. And you know they've

579
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: tried to blur out the faces in those pictures of

580
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: their shooting practices, but you can't blur out that ginger beard.

581
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: And I don't know anyone.

582
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: Else who brings an umbrella out to the shooting range

583
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: on a hot day to protect their pale ginger skin.

584
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: But it's definitely Graham Platner in those pictures he had

585
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: and he's never denied it.

586
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: He's never denied it.

587
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Speaker 4: And they tried to They tried to send us a

588
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: cease and assist letter for referring to the Socialist Rifle

589
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: Association as a paramilitary group, because the state of Maine

590
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Speaker 4: recently passed a law criminalizing the kind of training that

591
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 4: Graham was providing to that you know, Antifa super soldier group.

592
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: But I think it's a pretty accurate description. If you've

593
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: got people with ar fifteens in the prone position taking

594
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: one hundred yard shots at human shape the targets and

595
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: doing you know, wound trauma, wound care, like, that's paramilitary training. Okay,

596
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: that's not like defensive pistol courses, but that's that's that's

597
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 4: his you know, the milieu that he has been swimming

598
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: in is radical, far left progressivism, and so they've plucked

599
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: him out of that. And I think that his base

600
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: is not in Maine.

601
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: His base is.

602
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: The progressive diaspora spread out across the country, right. His

603
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: base is in Brooklyn in California. And so he's got

604
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: all this online enthusiasm and GQ columnists will write these

605
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: homo erotic profiles about how what a man he is

606
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: and how he's hauling a bag of oyster over the

607
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: side of the boat. It's all nonsense. There's there's just

608
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of puffery, and I think

609
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: fake support and hype around him, and I think that

610
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: these the ads that the governor is running are really

611
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: going to even this out. I still have it at

612
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: a coin flip. I mean anything, anything could happen.

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00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The Governor's got our own problems, the very serious corruption

615
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: problems that she's turned a blind eye to, lots of

616
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: medicaid UH fraud, lots of corruption in the Somali community

617
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: around Lewiston.

618
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: We've reported exclusively.

619
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Speaker 4: On the Chinese organized crime growing cannabis throughout the state

620
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: of Maine. Her brother has actually been a real estate

621
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 4: attorney for some of the Chinese drug traffickers, helping them

622
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: buy property in central Maine. She's never commented on that

623
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: and never acknowledged that, but it's just a matter of fact.

624
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: It's in that there's you could see his signature on

625
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: the documents. So she's got she's got problems as well.

626
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: But I do think that you're going to see this

627
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: race even out. And I don't think that they're done

628
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: with all of the opposition research on Graham. I think

629
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: there's probably some more that's going to come out, and

630
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: some more local stuff as well.

631
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Speaker 1: Before Sorry, no, I have one. I want to think

632
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: we're kind of on time. Of fother quick question. I

633
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: actually want to point one thing though. You can tell

634
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: when someone is using working class black pace as we're

635
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: saying it, because working class people tend to dress up

636
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: more for important things that they'll own one good suit

637
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: or one suit, and they'll wear it very prideful because

638
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: that's their one suit for a wedding or whatever. And

639
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: people who are faking it because they're actually wealthy will

640
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: always dress down. And that's why Platinum dresses down the

641
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: center from Pennsylvania, Fetterman dresses down. He's actually a wealthy

642
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: guy too. Like that's a very key indicator. Working people

643
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: do not actually want people to perceivee them as being

644
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: poor or on the lower income side. Okay, really quickly,

645
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: there's three important races in Maine. The governor main, second

646
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: congressional district, one of the two districts in the Congress

647
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Speaker 1: from Maine, and then Susan Collins. Just give me a

648
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: brief rundown of how it looks on the Republican side,

649
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: on the governor's race, on the on the House district too, and.

650
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: On the Senate district. For Susan Collins is I think sixth.

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00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: Term, So I'll take the second congressional district where I

652
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: grew up. First, that's a district that has no business

653
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: being Democrat. It's been held for I think three consecutive

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Speaker 4: terms by Congressman Jared Golden. He was a military guy,

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Speaker 4: he had tattoos, everybody ood and odd over, you know,

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Speaker 4: him being a working class guy. And he was great

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Speaker 4: on the campaign trail, but he was tried to do

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Speaker 4: this blue dog thing and walk a line that really

659
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Speaker 4: wasn't successful for him. I think he's a bowed out

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Speaker 4: for personal reasons. So that becomes an open seat that

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Speaker 4: was you know, a Democrat. Incumbent Governor Paul la Page

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Speaker 4: is running for that no primary. He still has tremendous

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Speaker 4: support in the second Congressional district. He's never lost a

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Speaker 4: race in that district. You know, even the gubernatorial race

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Speaker 4: that he lost to Janet Mills in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: he won the second district vote total. So I would

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Speaker 4: expect him to win that handily. And that's important because

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Speaker 4: you know that's a from a from a D plus

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Speaker 4: one to an R plus one. That's a nice flip

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Speaker 4: for a president. Midyear, there's a Democratic primary on that side,

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Speaker 4: but not really worth talking about any of those candidates,

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Speaker 4: with the exception by the way of Jordan Wood, former

673
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Speaker 4: staffer to Katie Porter, who has raised like four million dollars.

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Speaker 4: He was running for Senate, has a three million dollar

675
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Speaker 4: home on the coast. But then when Graham Platner got in,

676
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Speaker 4: he got scared out of the Senate race, jumped into

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Speaker 4: the CD two race and like bought a home in Auburn, Maine.

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Speaker 4: I just bought an eight hundred thousand dollars home in

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Speaker 4: one of the points ressional districts. Yeah, just to run,

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Speaker 4: just to run there. So I don't think there's there's

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Speaker 4: not going to be any competition till the page he's

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Speaker 4: going to win. That the gubernatorial election is going to

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Speaker 4: be pretty chaotic.

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Speaker 3: We have eight candidates on the Republican side.

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Speaker 4: I moderated a debate, by the way, last night with

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Speaker 4: the gubernatorial candidates. I think that herd is going to

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Speaker 4: thin down to probably four maybe five candidates pretty soon.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I just can I ask you, as as a

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Speaker 1: complete political nerd, I've never moderated a debate. You have

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Speaker 1: do your respectful obviously because you're the moderator in your head.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever hear somebody give an answering what on

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Speaker 1: earth are you talking about? Like, and your head goes

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Speaker 1: to keep a straight face, keep a straight base, keep

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Speaker 1: a straight face.

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Speaker 2: Does it ever happen?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it happened last night.

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Speaker 4: I mean there were there were a few fluffs that

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Speaker 4: I wanted to make. I wanted to joke and make

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Speaker 4: fun of them, but I tried to keep decorum. And

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Speaker 4: we actually had a we had a boxing bell that

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Speaker 4: we used to keep the timer. So when people started

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Speaker 4: going over the time limit, I gave him a thing

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Speaker 4: ning ning, and that moved things along pretty well. But

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Speaker 4: you know, we had four hundred people there watching, and

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Speaker 4: for the most part, you know, they understood when somebody

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Speaker 4: was screwing up. I didn't need to put an exclamation. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so you the candy I promised no candy Crowley stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes. When who who is the front runner on

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Speaker 1: the Republican side?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: The front runner by polls would be Bobby Charles. Bobby

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Speaker 4: Charles grew up from grew up in Maine and had

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Speaker 4: a career in Washington, d c. He was a naval

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Speaker 4: intelligence officer, worked in the Reagan administration, was an Assistant

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Speaker 4: Secretary of State under Cole and Powell and then had

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Speaker 4: a consulting firm and a lobby lobbying.

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Speaker 3: Firm for a while.

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Speaker 2: How old is saying.

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Speaker 3: He's got to be in his sixties.

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Speaker 4: I think he's probably sixty five sixty six, but you know,

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Speaker 4: you wouldn't tell it. He's he's he's pretty fit and energetic,

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Speaker 4: very knowledgeable guy.

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Speaker 3: Very well.

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Speaker 2: When you say Reagan, I'm like, oh, gosh, eighties now, okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we have him.

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Speaker 4: And we also have Jonathan Bush, one of the cousins

729
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Speaker 4: of Jeb and w. He's a healthcare executive who has

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Speaker 4: built a business in Maine. He's running, and then there's

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Speaker 4: a few state level politicians who are running. And Ben Midgley,

732
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: the former CEO of Crunch Fitness, is also running. So

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Speaker 4: it's a it's a very big but I expected to

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Speaker 4: thin a little bit and hopefully I did a good

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Speaker 4: job of, you know, throwing fastballs right at their heads

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Speaker 4: last night, and the herd's going to fin. On the

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Speaker 4: Democratic side, we have Senate President Troy Jackson, the corrupt

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Speaker 4: former Senate president who's been in the legislature for twenty

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Speaker 4: five years. Secretary of State Shenna Bellows, also corrupt, tried

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Speaker 4: to kick Trump off the ballot in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: you remember, and was rebuked by the Supreme Court, or

742
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Speaker 4: at least Colorado was Hannah Pingree, the daughter of the

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Speaker 4: first District congresswoman. She's running for governor. She was the

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Speaker 4: top policy person for Janet Mills for six years and

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Speaker 4: now is running I guess to continue the wonderful Janet

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Speaker 4: Mills legacy. And then Narav Shaw is running. He was

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Speaker 4: the director of the main CDC throughout all of COVID,

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Speaker 4: so he's the one who helped mandate vaccinations close schools

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Speaker 4: and then was tapped to go beyond Biden's vaccine committee.

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Speaker 4: He was the deputy CDC director for a little while,

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Speaker 4: so quite the panel.

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Speaker 3: Oh I forgot. By the way.

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Speaker 4: Also, Angus King the third. You didn't realize this, but

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Speaker 4: there are there are three of them, So the the

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Speaker 4: the Senator King's son, Angus King the third is going

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Speaker 4: to be running as well.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we've got to I'm surprised. Is an independent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how much how long that shtick

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Speaker 4: goes for I mean's King Angus King is an independent?

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Speaker 4: Is you know, the biggest, flimsiest piece of crap ever.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the guy, The guy's just the total leftist

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Speaker 4: that he has no business winning elections in any state.

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Speaker 4: I blame it all in the mustache. It's like a

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Speaker 4: winter very deceiving. Yeah, yeah it is. It's just a winsome,

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Speaker 4: magical mustache that like he twitches it and people are like, oh,

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Speaker 4: he must be you know, normal and reasonable. But he's

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Speaker 4: just the far left, you know, pawn for the defense.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how how is Susan Collins doing? Polls have it

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Speaker 1: very tight? She was down all the polls last time,

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Speaker 1: and one in a clean sweep, a clean victory, outright,

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Speaker 1: no runoff. How is Susan Collins doing for this time?

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Speaker 4: I would caution anybody against doubting Susan Collins's ability to

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Speaker 4: win elections in Maine. She I mean, I think she

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Speaker 4: beat Shanavello's by thirty points. Sarah Gideon. They had her

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Speaker 4: losing to Sarah Gideon and she ended up winning by

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Speaker 4: what six seven nine points?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you know, I would I would.

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Speaker 4: Caution against trusting the polls, but I do think that

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Speaker 4: she's going to be in for one of the tougher races.

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Speaker 3: That she's she's ever had.

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Speaker 4: I think that she's her team is accustomed to running

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Speaker 4: you know, good old fashioned races where you get out,

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Speaker 4: you press the flesh, you do very strong, efficient absentee

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Speaker 4: ballot programs, voter registration programs, that kind of thing. They're

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Speaker 4: very effective at that stuff. They have a very professional,

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Speaker 4: well funded organization. On the digital side, I think she

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00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: could probably use some improvements. I think she needs to

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Speaker 4: modernize her campaign a little bit, but I do think

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Speaker 4: she'll probably win. You know, if I if I had to,

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Speaker 4: you know, pick a pick a winner today, it would

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Speaker 4: definitely be Senator Collins. Because one of the things that

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Speaker 4: she's really excelled at in this state that doesn't always

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Speaker 4: show up in the polls is constituent services. She understands

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Speaker 4: that the job, and you know, for six years, you're

795
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Speaker 4: not just down there doing CNN hits and you know,

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Speaker 4: mugging for the cameras in Washington, d C. She has

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Speaker 4: very good constituent services. And I would say ninety nine

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Speaker 4: point nine percent of the people who go to a

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Speaker 4: Collin Senate office looking for help with whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: You know your mail's not getting delivered, you know you've

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Speaker 4: got a Chinese organized crime setting up in your.

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Speaker 1: Well you're such security check your spousals. Yeah, whatever it

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Speaker 1: is that matters people.

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Speaker 4: It's top priority. She takes care of that and he

805
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Speaker 4: helps somebody out like that. They're they're going to remember that.

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Speaker 4: And the thing, you know, the the attacks that the

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Speaker 4: Democrats are pushing on her are like you know, oh

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Speaker 4: she she voted on a procedural motion to advance to

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Speaker 4: consideration of the Save Act or something. It's you know,

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Speaker 4: they have very very flimsy attacks against her, and I

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Speaker 4: don't think they're going to work. I think if Graham

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Speaker 4: Plattner is the nominee, you're going to see the you know,

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Speaker 4: versions of these ads that the Mills has been running,

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Speaker 4: except for on steroids. You're going to have people down East,

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Speaker 4: people saying Graham Platner runs an oyster business.

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Speaker 3: Never heard of the guy, people who.

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Speaker 4: Worked on the docks for twenty five years being like,

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Speaker 4: I've never seen that. I have no idea who he is.

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Speaker 4: It's offensive that he actually claims to be, you know,

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Speaker 4: a working fisherman when there's people who are actually busting

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Speaker 4: their asks not to have this kind of lifestyle that

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Speaker 4: he has. And I know losstermen who work a lot

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Speaker 4: harder than Graham and they can't afford to fly out

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Speaker 4: to Norway just to you know, the HIGHVF. But against

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Speaker 4: Mills probably she does even better. There actually have had

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Speaker 4: a pretty professional relationship for you know, fifteen twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Main politics is small. But Governor Mills has really nothing

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Speaker 4: whatsoever positive she can say about herself. All she can

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Speaker 4: do is point to, well, this one time I made

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Speaker 4: an ass of myself at the White House picking a

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Speaker 4: fight with Trump and told him, you know, I'll see

832
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Speaker 4: you in court. It's literally all she's doing besides attack ads,

833
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 4: is saying I stood up to Trump Trump to you know,

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Speaker 4: to keep to keep boys and girls sports. By the way,

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Speaker 4: and also, we probably don't have time to get into this,

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Speaker 4: but males in female prisons, we have a six foot

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Speaker 4: free He was two hundred and forty pounds when he

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Speaker 4: went into prison. He murdered his parents in cold blood

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Speaker 4: names Andrew Balser killed his parents, and his dog called

840
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Speaker 4: the police and said, hey, I did something bad, you

841
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Speaker 4: should come get me. They grab him. He's a woman.

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Speaker 4: So now he's in the woman's prison. He's blooned up

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Speaker 4: to three hundred and ten pounds, and the woman's prison

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Speaker 4: is overcrowded, and we published two weeks ago a letter

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Speaker 4: that we got from an inmate who has been forced

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Speaker 4: into the same cell as Andrew Balser, who has been harassed,

847
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Speaker 4: sexually harassed and sexually assaulted by him. And that's the

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Speaker 4: official policy of the state is three pounds.

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Speaker 1: He was impressed than she does. Steven, Where go go

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Speaker 1: to remar of your stuff? You have a lot of

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Speaker 1: great information. I love your website. We're going to get

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Speaker 1: your information.

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Speaker 4: People can find us at Themainwire dot com or at

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Speaker 4: the main Wire on x Facebook and we'll be covering

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Speaker 4: the Senate race all all all the way to November,

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Speaker 4: and hopefully pretty soon here we'll have an interview with

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Speaker 4: Senator Collins and we'll be able to get into some

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Speaker 4: of the issues, maybe some of the stuff that she

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Speaker 4: hasn't hasn't talked about before in public, you know, talk

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Speaker 4: about some of the stuff outside of the Beltway.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming this podcast. I really appreciate it anytime.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for the Ask Me Anything Second Ife wenty.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Ask Me Anything Second. Let me Ryan

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Speaker 1: at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. That's Ryan Plural numbers gamepodcast

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Speaker 1: dot Com love these questions. First one comes to me.

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Speaker 1: It says, hey, Ryan Missouri, I did and write the

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Speaker 1: person's name down.

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Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Whoever this is, Hey Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Missouri passed a new seven to one map to at

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Speaker 1: a new Republican seat by eliminating the Kansas Seya of

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Speaker 1: Representive Emmanuel Kleeb. Recently at court rule of the new

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Speaker 1: map is good and we can proceed into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: A few said Missouri Republicans should have gone for eight zero,

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Speaker 1: but Saint Louis and suburbs are still blue enough that

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Speaker 1: in a good democratic year, could have could have given

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Speaker 1: Dems a shot at winning a six to two delegation

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Speaker 1: from Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: So they really couldn't have drawn an eight zero map

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Speaker 1: without triggering a VRA Section two lawsuit which would have

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Speaker 1: demanded a grow a black majority district in one of

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Speaker 1: the congressional districts. And you don't want that because they

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Speaker 1: go through the whole map ap Also, I've done this,

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Speaker 1: I've played around with this map several times. It is

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Speaker 1: extremely difficult, given how blue Saint Louis is, how blue

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Speaker 1: East Saint Louis is and how blue the suburbs are

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Speaker 1: and kind of like it's not like a district in

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Speaker 1: the it's not a city in the middle of the state.

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Speaker 1: It's in the corner of the state. And it's very

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Speaker 1: difficult to draw lines with having a zigzag throughout multiple areas,

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Speaker 1: and it's just it's very, very, very hard. I think

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Speaker 1: a seven to one map is a seven and one

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Speaker 1: Republican map is much more doable, much feasible, and doesn't

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Speaker 1: give the possibility of having a swing district in case

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Speaker 1: there's a bad Democratic key, you're out of Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: So I think it was a good a good map.

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Speaker 1: That was a great question though. Next question comes from Sarah.

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Speaker 1: Sarah writes, love your podcast. So I have a few

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Speaker 1: more questions on JD Vans and Marco Rubio. Do you

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Speaker 1: think JD is the only one who could trusted to

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Speaker 1: continue deporting illegals and keeping the border secure? As a Jew,

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Speaker 1: I have planned to vote for Rubio based on his

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Speaker 1: support for Israel, but then I looked up Facebook groups

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Speaker 1: about Marco Rubio and at.

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Speaker 2: All of his posts were in Spanish.

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Speaker 1: That and the amount of donors that support him are

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Speaker 1: alarming to a point that he's not sincere, I mean,

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Speaker 1: changing his stances on immigration. Do you think Jadvans is

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Speaker 1: the only one who can continue Trump's immigration agenda.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's the only one.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you, guys a story that I've

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Speaker 1: never told on air before. Right when JD was about

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Speaker 1: to announce his run first Senate, he'd come to New

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Speaker 1: York and I picked I was driving him to the

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Speaker 1: airport and he stopped to get coffee right beforehand. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a lot of one on

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Speaker 1: one time with JD where he was just the two

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Speaker 1: of us, and it was undistracted and there was no

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Speaker 1: like you know, other people calling or trying to get

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Speaker 1: his attention. So I said to myself, like, you have

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Speaker 1: to really monopolize this time and really try to push

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Speaker 1: something forward that is important for him to like retain.

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Speaker 1: And you have to understand, from my position, someone who

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Speaker 1: like studies data all the time and reads up on

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Speaker 1: bills all the time, I know a lot of politics

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Speaker 1: are not necessarily as well versed, not because they are

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Speaker 1: against something, just because you know, there's only so much

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Speaker 1: time in the day to memorize and get information and

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of people pulling you every which way.

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Speaker 1: So I say, okay, I'm gonna I'm talking about immigration,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to pass this along an I'm going

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Speaker 1: to fill his head up with different things about the

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Speaker 1: H one, BB's H two, BB's H two a visa.

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Speaker 2: So I started kind of going into it. It's like

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Speaker 2: a total word vomit.

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Speaker 1: And he and this is before obviously I worked for

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Speaker 1: his pack, so we were able to kind of speak freely,

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Speaker 1: and he's looked at me and he said, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just I really think we should just deport them all

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Speaker 1: and reduce immigration numbers. And I was like, Okay, my

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Speaker 1: work here is done. Like I don't have to do

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Speaker 1: this anymore. I don't have to I don't have to

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Speaker 1: be a show monkey. And it was just very natural

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Speaker 1: how he said it, and it came like within a

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Speaker 1: quick instinct. And I do trust him on this issue.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things. I there's something that's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of things. There are some things I have

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Speaker 1: an issue with JD's positions on this. I do not,

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Speaker 1: and I do think that he is sincere in his

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Speaker 1: commitment about immigration amount deportation. So I do trust him,

952
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Speaker 1: and I think that he is Sincere. I can't speak

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Speaker 1: for Rubio at all. I've only spoken to him one time.

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Speaker 1: And Rubio, I've read his book and it was fine.

955
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Speaker 1: But like I think, Rubio kind of always has a

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Speaker 1: soft spot in his heart for people who are not

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Speaker 1: in this country legally because he talks about how he

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Speaker 1: knows them and he's friends with them, and he's a

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Speaker 1: good man. He's a good Secretary of State. But I

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Speaker 1: do have questions about him. Okay, next question comes from Dwayne.

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Speaker 1: I love your podcast. I can need to listen to it,

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Speaker 1: even I'm obviously multiple weeks behind. I'm just now getting

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Speaker 1: to your February second podcast, Dwayne. Catch up today is

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Speaker 1: March nineteenth, and you went on a rant about how

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Speaker 1: Texas and Flora are going to deal with the out

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Speaker 1: of state interlopers trying to get elected in them. I'm

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Speaker 1: laughing because, as a resident of Washington, I watched the

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Speaker 1: pretty k solid conservative purple state turned into absolute blue

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Speaker 1: due to all the maggots and bean brains from California

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Speaker 1: North radically changing our political landscape. Yeah, we're seeing a

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Speaker 1: similar effect right now in New York City, where it's

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Speaker 1: almost like a political sponge effect. Where people from across

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Speaker 1: the country are who are very left are moving to

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Speaker 1: these like left wing meccas for them, and they are

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Speaker 1: becoming extremely progressive. So like in the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: governor's election in New York, Kathy Hochel's entire margin of

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Speaker 1: victory came from Brooklyn and Manhattan. Most of the new

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Speaker 1: Democratic voter registration comes from Brooklyn and Manhattan throughout the state.

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Speaker 2: This is where, you know, we.

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Speaker 1: Are absorbing the crazy left wingers from Connecticut, not that

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Speaker 1: they don't have their own, but we're absorbing some of them,

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Speaker 1: or from upstate New York, or from Ohio or Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: and so those places are becoming redder as we become bluer.

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Speaker 1: Washington State, I think it was in twenty fourteen the

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Speaker 1: Republicans actually control the state Senate there. I think it

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Speaker 1: was twenty fourteen or twenty sixteen. So yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's been it's been quite a turnaround in some of

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Speaker 1: these blue areas. But that's why on such policies and

989
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Speaker 1: some of the policies you're seeing, you know, California and

990
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Speaker 1: New York raising taxes as the rest of the country

991
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Speaker 1: tries to attract business and people and cut them and

992
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Speaker 1: all this other stuff. So yeah, I mean I get it.

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Speaker 1: People are really people. And look, that's what I've been

994
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Speaker 1: in Colorado by the Colorado was purple for a long

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Speaker 1: time and now it's as blue as Illinois. It's just

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Speaker 1: California's move there. If we didn't have mass immigration, both

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Speaker 1: legal and illegal, California would see the reciprocal effects politically

998
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Speaker 1: on all these people leaving. But what has happened before Trump?

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Speaker 1: Before this year, Californias filled their population with you know,

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Speaker 1: fill the state with new residents from across the world,

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Speaker 1: and they get equal representation as they normally did. Had

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Speaker 1: we had reduced immigration, California would have lost seats as

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Speaker 1: other states kind of gained them and more balanced out

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Speaker 1: instead of rewarding blue states through mass immigration. Okay, last

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Speaker 1: question for the show Forrest Rights. Hey, Ryan, what do

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Speaker 1: you consider the percentage odds to be a candidate who

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Speaker 1: is not Jdvans or Mark Rubio at the top of

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight ticket. Should we have any concern

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Speaker 1: that a conventional politician like Kemp becoming a contender in

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Speaker 1: a reverse twenty sixteen situation where Advance's front runner statist fades,

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Speaker 1: the base gets split up four or five candidates, and

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Speaker 1: there is no politician clogging up the moderate lane. That

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Speaker 1: is a very interesting kind of idea.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: About JD or Rubio, if it's him, but most likely JD.

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Speaker 1: The Trump machine is still in place, right, the Trump

1017
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Speaker 1: campaign machine is still in place. That's why you're still

1018
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Speaker 1: getting fundraising text messages and emails. That's why they're still

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00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: raising money for the Trump reelection campaign. Eventually a lot

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Speaker 1: of that will become the JD Vance or Mark Rubio

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Speaker 1: likely jdvanced but Mark Roubio Jdvance machine that operates in

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Speaker 1: all fifty states, that has building this giant cash reserve.

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Speaker 1: So if someone wants to challenge, they have to make

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Speaker 1: an organization that is equal in size or compelling to

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Speaker 1: the operation being built out by Trump. And that's very

1026
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Speaker 1: difficult even if multiple people split the ticket.

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Speaker 2: I don't, I haven't who are multiple people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess people from Trump world, but they're

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Speaker 1: not interested.

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Speaker 2: Glenn Youngkin has already said he's endorsing JD. Vans.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of people like who Carrie Lake,

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Speaker 1: I mean Bannon maybe, I mean like who would honestly

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Speaker 1: run against JD. There will be a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are against him quietly who don't want him to run.

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Speaker 1: That that's already going on, but publicly out there people

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Speaker 1: to really build a machine to contend with what Trump

1037
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Speaker 1: has built, I find that hard to believe. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we have to worry about it as of now. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: if there's corruption scandals, if there is impeachment trials, if

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Speaker 1: there are you know, or actual impeachment, if there is

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Speaker 1: uh people going to jail, or there's a death or whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, things we can't foresee, then I'll revisit this question.

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Speaker 1: But as of right now, the chances are probably less

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Speaker 1: the one percent. But anyway, that's this episode. Guys, have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 2: Once again.

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Speaker 1: If you like this podcast, please like and subscribe on

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts, where we get this podcast.

1049
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Speaker 2: On YouTube too, and give me a five star review.

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Speaker 1: It really means a lot to help get the show

1051
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Speaker 1: seen by other people, so I appreciate you all.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you guys on Monday. Bye.