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Speaker 1: You know author that's tennis player in the world. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, I had my basketball thing going. Seventy four hours.

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Speaker 1: Miles was making music. Miles would bring some music. We

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Speaker 1: listened to it so we couldn't understand. Now two weeks

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Speaker 1: later it was running up the chart.

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Speaker 2: The biggest song in the world running up the chart. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what up y artist is Joe cracked the Dawn? No,

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Speaker 2: it is your boy, Jada.

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Speaker 3: This is the Joe and Jadas show, every show legend,

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Speaker 3: every every show iconic.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Live from LA All Star twenty twenty six Today's guests.

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Speaker 3: You think of the AB eight were your homework on

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Speaker 3: an NBA. When you think of basketball who, you think

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Speaker 3: of adversity, When you think of influence.

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Speaker 1: For such a long time, style, you think of style,

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Speaker 1: blueprint class. You also would never want to get slapped

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Speaker 1: by this guy. Is like you slapped the hell out

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 3: So don't make a mad Ladies and gentlemen, make some

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Speaker 3: noise for Julius, doctor j Irving.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Nice intro. I appreciate that. You know, I gotta I

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Speaker 1: gotta make it right for you, my brother, you know

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Speaker 1: happy to be here with you guys. Appreciate you for.

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Speaker 2: I see, we brought the fake palm tree from I said,

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Speaker 2: New York. You said we got the fake palm tree

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: We got the fa Yo. We brought the favor y'all.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, doctor J.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking if doctor Dre got inspired by Doctor J.

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Speaker 1: We out here in LA.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, you think doctor Dre got inspired his

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Speaker 2: name by Doctor J. Doctor J one of a kind

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Speaker 2: so much. First of all, how's your wife?

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Speaker 1: She's fine? You got a power couple.

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Speaker 2: Every time I see how every y'all star we can,

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Speaker 2: I go back and I'm be like, damn, they the

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Speaker 2: flyes couple in the gap.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the compliment. You back of the ho

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Speaker 1: Jel and her girlfriend and she got some people out

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Speaker 1: of here and she spent a little time with them.

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Speaker 1: We're being there for me, super legendary.

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Speaker 2: See, I don't go by the rules, like I don't

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Speaker 2: look at the notes and all that, So me, I'm

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Speaker 2: just shooting this ship off the top. He goes off,

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Speaker 2: So I'm off script right her foot. When I think

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Speaker 2: of me being a kid and looking at doctor J.

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Speaker 2: You know the legendary dunks was was anybody dunking before you?

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Speaker 2: Or were you the first one to do it? With

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Speaker 2: like an exclamation point.

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Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. Plenty of balls were dunk before I

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Speaker 1: I used to watch World Chamberlain on TV and dunking

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Speaker 1: the next had a guy named Jumping Johnny Green. Jumping

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Speaker 1: Johnny Green would catch it up coming off the rim

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Speaker 1: after misshot, throw it back down, run down the court

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Speaker 1: like nothing happened or whatever. It's moving it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was. He was smooth with it. And in my

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Speaker 1: community where I live, I live in Roosevelt, New York,

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Speaker 1: it was like fifteen thousand people Roosevelt Highland, Roosevelt, New

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Speaker 1: York wrote in the town of Roosevelt, between Hempstead and Uniondale,

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Speaker 1: all that Nasall County, Nasall County, Long Island. My point is,

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Speaker 1: I used to walk past Johnny Green's house to get

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Speaker 1: to his house, like I just got to see this guy.

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Speaker 1: Lion will go up and knock on the door, and

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Speaker 1: I never saw him coming and going out of that house.

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Speaker 1: But I did go to the garden and I saw

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Speaker 2: You know, we got something in common. I live in

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Speaker 2: Wesley Snipe's block. You know, Wessey Snipes lives.

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Speaker 1: On my block. Now, yeah, two day present time.

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Speaker 2: I never seen them in my life. I walk, I

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Speaker 2: do whatever I see world wide West, I see, Yo,

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Speaker 2: where's Wesley Snipe?

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Speaker 1: Yo?

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Speaker 2: You know he's my neighbor. I never seen this wife.

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Speaker 2: I never seen his kids. I never like you know

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Speaker 2: how many times I went by there, like, yo, where's

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Speaker 1: They see him.

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Speaker 1: Your timing is off. Yeah, they're both working though. That

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Speaker 1: see you too. I'm down.

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Speaker 2: I'm down the block, man, Yo, Wesley, you know I

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Speaker 2: so you didn't invent my whole life. You invented the dunk.

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Speaker 1: They you credit me with perfecting some of the dunk shots, uh,

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Speaker 1: because that just used to be you know, a bug

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Speaker 1: with perfecting the dunk, but not inventing the dunk. It was.

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Speaker 1: There was plenty of duncan before I came home a BA.

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Speaker 1: What is that like? You know, it's one of the

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Speaker 1: joys of my basketball life, having started in the ABA

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Speaker 1: I came out of high school with sixty eight and

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Speaker 1: so Martiny Kingdom's assassinated, sixty nine Malcolm X assassinated, and

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Speaker 1: a pro career and Korea, you know, gave you something

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Speaker 1: being your livelihood, knowing that the other opportunities, the other

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Speaker 1: people talk about basketball, basketball was a game as an amateur.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a livelihood, but it was a game, and

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Speaker 1: it was a diversion from a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: that were bad about the society that we lived in,

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Speaker 1: because we have ugly history in that regard, especially regarding race.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was going to ask you right now

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Speaker 2: when you brought them both up. I didn't realize JFK.

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Speaker 2: all in that little five year run right there. Who's

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Speaker 2: out of theology You sided with more Malcolm or.

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Speaker 1: Maluther Man Luther King. You know, we were Christians and

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Speaker 1: we went to Baptist Church and my mother followed. Both

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Speaker 1: to Chicago first and then into New York, and me

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Speaker 1: so you know, born there, bred there, and we dealt

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Speaker 1: with all that. You said you was just finishing high

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Speaker 1: Luther King got assassinated, and then that had to be

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Speaker 1: like real, How did you find out? That's dramatic?

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Speaker 1: You know what? It was on TV? I mean we

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Speaker 1: that TV? Yeah? Yeah, actually actually was on birthday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my dad actually lived around the corner. My dad's from Memphis.

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Speaker 1: He got assassinated on one of my dad's birthdays. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: so his birthday. That's a hotel right, yeah, yeah, at

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Speaker 1: there were various reactions. You know, I was in elementary

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Speaker 1: school with JFK. And I was in school. We went

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of things don't change, you know,

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Speaker 2: because I think of John Lennon, he got assassinated. Man

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Speaker 2: was singing about roses and yeah, fields and piss.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of ugly stuff, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, we've just had Super Bowls and

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Speaker 2: your man, Man Bunny is the nicest guy in the world.

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Speaker 2: And the way they protested this guy and all, like

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Speaker 2: I was actually scared for him, Like I was like,

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Speaker 2: because there's so much division and hatred and all that

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Speaker 2: sing right and so you see, like John Lennon, he

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Speaker 2: got killed. He was the most beatiful guy in the world.

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Speaker 2: Location point, you got an advocate for peace, frmly love.

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Speaker 2: So if you get a platform, you you need to

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Speaker 2: promote those things. So I've tried to be about that.

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Speaker 2: My success and my notoriety. I don't I don't call

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Speaker 2: it fame or sae because you know, fame now people

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Speaker 2: can be famous spike jump off a bridge.

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Speaker 1: Nowadays jump over bridge and do something crazy. Oh my,

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Speaker 1: get fame and notoriety. So I so I think the

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Speaker 1: topic should be respect and you know, get respect in

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Speaker 2: I mean, you you on your way. So you need

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Speaker 2: to use that platform in a positive faith. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's what we try to do, especially.

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Speaker 1: Nowadays.

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Speaker 2: So I look at me and Jady Kiss like Shaquille

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Speaker 2: O'Neil with Charles Barkley. You know, we've been play the game,

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Speaker 2: we won chips, we did everything. So we talk about

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Speaker 2: hip hop and lifestyle and the people respected in that way.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the hip hop genre grew up now

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Speaker 2: to the point of where we hit that commentary phase

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Speaker 2: where they're like, you know, Jay the Kiss, some people

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Speaker 2: think he's top five rap in the world, and in fact, Joe,

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Speaker 2: we know he talked a lot of you know, he

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Speaker 2: talk a lot of shit, so they can't up being

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Speaker 2: they took. You know, it's like shock at y'alls. But

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Speaker 2: you know, we try to bring positive to everything.

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Speaker 1: We don't even gauge.

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Speaker 2: When they got World War three in hip hop, they

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Speaker 2: call us first and be like, yo, we want to

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Speaker 2: and that. We'll be like, yeah, we don't really want that,

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00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: Terms and conditions apply.

434
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: Concerned about gambling in Florida, call one eight eight admit it.

435
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: In Indiana, if someone you know has a gambling problem

436
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: and once, call one eight hundred and nine with it

437
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 3: gambling problem called one eight hundred gambling. That's in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois,

438
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, and Virginia.

439
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: I've always been jealous of your era, Ain't it's not necessarily.

440
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to Jones, No, but.

441
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: You're right right, What I mean, like, he's when I

442
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: watched the movies from your era they done them Chinchillas

443
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: on the Frank Lucas movies and Nikki Bonds on the

444
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: color cover of Time. You know they rats, but but

445
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm just saying they were the biggest What was it

446
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: a guy at the time when you the biggest guy,

447
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: Doctor j was the biggest guy on the earth?

448
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: Were at time?

449
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: Facts when they talk about all this, because you know,

450
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: we we from New York. I don't know about him,

451
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: but I'm assuming him. We from New Yo. We think

452
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: Harlem is the fly is right, and we think of

453
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: all that. But that's about your time when this show.

454
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: Wasn't gonna have no flags? What did I say? No?

455
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to say is the flag the

456
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: cut off?

457
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: No, No, that means.

458
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: Trill on the play I said something I didn't agree with.

459
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: He didn't agree with it, so he threw the flag.

460
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: We usually got a.

461
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: Hundred of them flying.

462
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: We've been real gentle with you, mister Doctor Jay, mister IRV. Respect.

463
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 2: You know my thing is respect. What was it like

464
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: in that era flying this? You could we see you fly?

465
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: You fly it? In all of them forever you got

466
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: Will Chamberlain bragging, but he wasn't more swagged out than you,

467
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: and you was outside about your boy clod Clyde fla.

468
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: You know he's still wear the cowboys. He got the

469
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: cow he's made out of cow lashed the rocket, same suits,

470
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: the same suits.

471
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: He ma ain't got them, dub. I think it's the same, right.

472
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: You can't even find something that he got.

473
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: Some of the finest cowskinted yo interis that you haven't seen.

474
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: Yo, Clyde man.

475
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: You know, you know, I'll be trying to dress right.

476
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: But he was cool. He played the cool cart his

477
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: management company used to represent them.

478
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was your era, Doctor J. I'm trying

479
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: to get you in this era. Rank it's hallm It's

480
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: New York City. You from New York. You're the biggest

481
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: in the world, you, Doctor J. You slam dunk and

482
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: over everything, you coming to the rucker, shutting it down.

483
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: You got all these guys that we watched these movies

484
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: of in the middle of your era. What was that like,

485
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: Doctor J? Could you just describe to us what was

486
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: Doctor J's life at that time? Was there a club

487
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: in the Halem that was out of this world that

488
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: you walked in at twelve midnight and was like Doctor J.

489
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Like what was that life. I'm tell you the truth.

490
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: So at a certain hour, you know, I would be

491
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: in the after hours club and I look around. I'm thinking,

492
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: these people don't want to go home or they ain't

493
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: got nowhere to do. Let me get the hell out

494
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: of here. Because I got her home, and I was,

495
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, living in my parents' house because early twenties,

496
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: I stayed in New York job. I was twenty six,

497
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: so birth to twenty six. And I wasn't trying to

498
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: be hard. You know, my mom she raised three kids

499
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: and pretty much by herself. She did marry. I had

500
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: a stepfather, but she buried the load. And I said,

501
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to do nothing to make it harder

502
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: with her than it already is.

503
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: I'm not saying being a haunted now that way. Well,

504
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: that was you there with doctor J. Everybody was coming

505
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: up to your doctor say this is such and such. Yeah,

506
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: your doctor J, this is such as such. They had

507
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: to be doing that, right.

508
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So uh me Reggie Jackson, Arthur ash Oh,

509
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: Miles Davis, Davis, the Bill Cosby whoa so nineteen seventy four.

510
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: We would meet frequently at cosmics, right, and a lot

511
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: of the discussion was about time and place and what

512
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: we're doing. You know author that's tennis player in the world. Yes,

513
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, I have my basketball thing going seventy four.

514
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: All the time MVP in the ABA, Miles was making music. No,

515
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Miles would bring some music and he played. But there

516
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: was a thing called Divided Soul. We listened to it.

517
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: We couldn't understand nothing. Two weeks later it was running

518
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: up the chart, the.

519
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: Biggest song in the world, up running up the chart.

520
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: We saw some of those yeah, yeah, because you don't know.

521
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just raw. I had that with Groover

522
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Washington Junior. You know in Philly he writes something right,

523
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: hear it? Oh that's all right.

524
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Next thing, I know, you know that's the Hacken Like

525
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: what was that gambling huff gamble at Huff Philly.

526
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: Philly was the Yeah, they had Pillay, they made great music. Cosby.

527
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Cosby got all jammed up and it was very, very

528
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: unfortunate because you know, he was he was a good

529
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: mentor in my life because he was older than us

530
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: and he hosted us in his house. And this is

531
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: a seventy four, so we were in our twenties. Reggie

532
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: were a little older, being after about the same age,

533
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: and Miles is a little older too, So so we

534
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: had our crew. You know, that's a good crew to have. Wow, Yeah,

535
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: you ain't. You ain't got it.

536
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: You ain't got No, that's some month rushmore my cruise.

537
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta go to No, can't beat no off

538
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: the ash.

539
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: No.

540
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson, mister October Bill Constant, Yello pudding pomps. This

541
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: man was fat alb Yeah you have fat Albert.

542
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go out to that to that helped me

543
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: because I had friends like that and now you know

544
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Reggie and our school friends who got he got an

545
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: event going on in Vegas, uh, beginning of the next month.

546
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: So he just sent me a note, all right, you

547
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: gonna be here. Oh yeah, we'll be here. You know,

548
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: you know you gonna tie me. You you're you're a

549
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: linked to my past, and it was a great time.

550
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: So you were at linked to my past when I

551
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: was on the top of the world, you know, and

552
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: being talked about in that conversation who's the best basketball

553
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: player in the world. That's when that conversation was going.

554
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, doctor Jay, You're still on

555
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: top of the world. You still on top of the world.

556
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: When they see you, they nobody, I know, you might

557
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: think it was a long No. He lights up every room. Yeah,

558
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: you walk in there. You swagged out to this day.

559
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: That's why I asked you about your wife. You always

560
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: look beautiful, you coming through, you floating. They know what

561
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: time it is on another level. And basketball players more

562
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: than anything, they got to study the tape. They have

563
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: to study the tape. Basketball players, you know, I always

564
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: tell a story. I say, Floyd Mayweather, who's undefeated and

565
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: everybody call the greatest box one of them of all time.

566
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: I've seen a fight where he was and beat up

567
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: for six rounds and then he switched up the whole

568
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: style mh and he beat the guy and at the

569
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: end he was like Jack Jack Dempsey. I watched the

570
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: video tape when he did this and that. And the

571
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: point is it's the same story gets but it's relative

572
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: to what we're talking about.

573
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: They got to watch the video tape.

574
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that's a wonderful that's a wonderful gift,

575
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: you know, having having.

576
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: A video to watch. You know. Now, I think some

577
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: of the stuff that people watch maybe doesn't necessarily help

578
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: them you know, maybe motivates them to just get out there.

579
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: But you know some of the every every pitch video

580
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: that's out, they ain't good. No say they get most

581
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: are bad. Yeah, most of the majority probably is. I

582
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: was more damaged than good.

583
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm addicted to uh, social media, Like you know, if

584
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: I have a second, I watch my Instagram and this,

585
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: this and that. But you know, I'm kind of getting

586
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: pissed off at all this like negativity and everybody fighting

587
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: each other and everybody it's just like every day you

588
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: wake up to see who's fighting who, Who's this, who's that?

589
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like played out what you think?

590
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: Kiss what the world needs? Sweet?

591
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: Look, it's the only thing that there's just too little.

592
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: Good ass, good ass good answer. Today's today's state of

593
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: the game. How you feel about it?

594
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: Without you know, a lot of people can't take conversation.

595
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 4: Then they misgon screwed, or they get emotionally drained or

596
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: things of that nature when you just ask something like that.

597
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: That's why we like to stay away from the questions

598
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: that turned into religious argumental political debates with just the

599
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: state of the game. Whereas that today from you know,

600
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: how you played did it? And say, did it you

601
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: know how you feel about it.

602
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna jump over into the racial aspect of it.

603
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: You know. See, when I was coming up, black athletes

604
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: got interviewed, you know, sometimes they get played, somebody asked

605
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: stupid stuff, they give us stupid answer, and then suddenly, see,

606
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: that's why we shouldn't interview the black guys they representing

607
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I was always kind of guarded with

608
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: my dialogue and delivery and you know, try to say

609
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: things the right way or whatever, because I grew up,

610
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, seeing some bad interviews. I mean for some

611
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: terrible interviews, you know, especially with boxing and shiftball players,

612
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, guys you know, they know you. You know,

613
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: I was like, nah, no, come on, man, we could

614
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: do better than that, because we are better than that.

615
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: And that became a reflection on the race. And unfortunately, unfortunately,

616
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, ABA was a breakthrough in terms of majority

617
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: of players in the league were black. Wasn't that way

618
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Wasn't that where Major League Baseball Baseball

619
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: was probably second, you know, with maybe forty and but

620
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: the NBA, NBA was like in the twenties, no twenties,

621
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: and and so that's where the most work needed to

622
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: be done, and then there were a breakthroughs. You know,

623
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: certain people coming up and handling it. There black commentators,

624
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: so they weren't going to play the game. You know,

625
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: they've tried to help the athlete who they were, who

626
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: they were talking to, and so so there's a there's

627
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: a track record that you can follow and you could see,

628
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, basketball open the stores nineteen forty seven, so

629
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: forty seven, fifty seven, sixty seven, seventy seven, eighty seven,

630
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: ninety seven. No blacks became a dominant race in the league.

631
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: So you got a lot of good interviews. And now

632
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: comes international player, you know, in the national player has

633
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: to work his way in because there's certain people, you know,

634
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: they didn't want to get on the microphone because they

635
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: didn't really own the language. The female golfers that came

636
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: from China and Japan or whatever. Now you got to

637
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: learn English. If you're gonna play over here, you're gonna

638
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: make this money and take this money back, you got

639
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: to learn the language.

640
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: They do that to the Latino boxes too. They he

641
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: analyzed that you make less money if you don't talk English.

642
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to learn English. Yess what he's saying yeah.

643
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: So there were real times in which this got recognized

644
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: and then suddenly, you know, people made the adjustments are

645
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: were necessary to max it out, you know, to max

646
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: make maximum money. Well I need to. I need to

647
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: get my stuff together. And part of it is what

648
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of upbringing you have and what the influencers influences

649
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: are on you school wise. You know, I just hated

650
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: to hear somebody being called a dumb jock because that

651
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: was my space. You know, they called us jocks, and

652
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: a dumb jock that was that was almost being worse

653
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: than being called a N word. It was derocketorys very.

654
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: We had a bad right And so you know, I'm

655
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: go on YouTube watch Puerto Ricans in nineteen seventy.

656
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: Man, I don't even know.

657
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: This is like you know when they say your ancestors

658
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: dream like guy talking like that, Like the way they

659
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: was talking that nineties Hellish broke.

660
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: They was likelih, they didn't know nothing.

661
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: Maybe if they were smart, they signed the dumbest hell

662
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: Black people chewing the South brost. I watched the seventies

663
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, and now you got so many a

664
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: chicken li it, smart intelligent millionaires, all kind of business

665
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: owners and all that. Well, I'm just like, damn, we

666
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: came a long long way, because when you watch that

667
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: footage of the Bronx in the seventies, you just like, damn,

668
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: how did we get here?

669
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: You know?

670
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: So you were here it was American doctor J. You've

671
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: been around long time. Be here hip hop? Where do

672
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: you hear it for the first time? And did you

673
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: know when you heard it around that time that did

674
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: you know all this thing is going to go?

675
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: No? I had no idea that that that it was

676
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna go to where what you know? I mean I

677
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: was a rhythm of bluesky and the jazz guy. And

678
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: when I heard hip hop, I mean I you know,

679
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: I had had a cautious ear because it was all around,

680
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: came from uptown and uh, you know the characters associated

681
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: with hip hop. You know, I got to kick out,

682
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, Okay, I ain't trying to

683
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: be them, and then they're not trying to be me.

684
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: So they got their own genre and how far will

685
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: it go? And it went to the moon. It went,

686
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: It went to the moon Man, and as there was

687
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: no no turning back because I think the the overall

688
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: acceptance of hip hop in the beginning was to be

689
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: determined by the people who were the best at doing it.

690
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: And and they not only grabbed the stage, they didn't

691
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: let it go, you know. And you know, I mean

692
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: some of them you look at looking like Snoop, you know,

693
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: for one thing. I mean he's crossed over intoget a

694
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: dozen different days, the whole Olympics and now yeah already,

695
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: but he's been doing he'd been doing golf tournament. You know,

696
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: he does so much variation of the theme. But he's

697
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: still genuine because when he's talking, you know what he

698
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: comes from, where he comes from, and and he'd be

699
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: quick to tell you. So, yeah, what did I feel

700
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: about it? I mean, you know, you know, my my

701
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: generation was you know, the rhythm and blues piece. Uh

702
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: and even even in my house, you know, music my

703
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: mom would play whatever. It was just you know, straight

704
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: up love songs. It'd be a little mix of rock

705
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: and roll in there. You know, they like the rock

706
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: and roll.

707
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: And you want to know what's crazy, you know, it's

708
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: ill that he said the music that he grew up

709
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: and listened to his.

710
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Son was my man.

711
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay Irvy, I know, the road out of the

712
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: jail Yeah, you know what's crazy is I don't know

713
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: if you've seen recently Onmeboy, Gene Simmons said that hip

714
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 2: hop shouldn't be in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

715
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: This is the new talk.

716
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: It is real. You can't deny that. I mean, you

717
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: can't deny hip hop from coming in. No, being in

718
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: the rock and roll Hall of Fame is going to

719
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: recognize the sales, you know, and the impact yea overall impact. Yeah.

720
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: My thing is, uh, didn't we create rock and roll?

721
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: Like originally Chuck Barry?

722
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, black people created rock and roll. I don't got

723
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: the facts. No, I got the fact. My phone might

724
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: have been like that slam dunk country question. They didn't

725
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: invent it, but they perfected affected facts. You know.

726
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: Riches took it to interview one time. Little Richard named

727
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: every superstar rock person that was like yo. He played

728
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: in my band. I taught him how to do this.

729
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: I taught her how to do this. I taught her

730
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: he dead ass. What's pointing out all the rock and

731
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: roll legends talking about it? He taught him everything. A okay, buddy,

732
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: with my flag, where can we see the new abah?

733
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: I know it's on Prime already.

734
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Said yeah, yeah, Amazon Prime. I watched it last night. Okay,

735
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, I had the guy come in, Jerry Rigg.

736
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: My TV got it, and then I got an Amazon

737
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: Prime account because I had an Amazon account my business name,

738
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh no, this one's under another one.

739
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: So but I was under Amazon dot Com and then

740
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: the Amazon Prime whatever. It's at first month free, then

741
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: it's fourteen dollars a month. So I got roped into

742
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: it because I said I want to I want to

743
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: watch this last night before come out to day this weekend.

744
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: And uh, they got us slipped up to me and

745
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: my wife de Reise, and we watched it from eight

746
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: to midnight. There was four episodes in each episode like

747
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: an hour hour. And I will see it again. I

748
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: probably will, you know, see it again with friends or

749
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: family or whatever. We're gonna do a big birthday celebration

750
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: next week summer. Get that on in the background as

751
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: a backdrop. You know that should be good. So you

752
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: guys need to check it out.

753
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: Last night, I thought I saw it, but I'm realizing

754
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: I watched the old documentary. So I watched Doctor. Yeah, yeah,

755
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: that's called The Doctor. I thought I was watching what

756
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: it came. I told Laurie was there. She was like, yeah,

757
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: you know what comes out tonight. I said, I watched

758
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: it last night.

759
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: She was like, no, wasn't it.

760
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 6: You must have watched the old Join a bas more

761
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 6: than just me and that it's a lot of people

762
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 6: Spencer Haywood and Rick Barry and you know, the.

763
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: People who were part of the nine year history of

764
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: the A B A so started in nineteen sixty seven.

765
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: Then we go back to that time that craziness was

766
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: going on in the country. We know, it's nuts. I

767
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: seen it.

768
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's in that documentary with it was segregated.

769
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: Then they let black and white people play together, and

770
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 2: they were showing the fans reaction they had white people

771
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: and they was like, yeah, I love this guy and

772
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: I loved it, and it showed out sports jelled everybody

773
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: together at such a horrible time.

774
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well see, you know I'm from Long Island, right.

775
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: So we had we had a team at the Salvation

776
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: Army and me and the guy named Archie Rogers two

777
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: of us, and we had ten guys who were not black,

778
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: who were white. Those were our teammates. So we were

779
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: a close knit group in the suburb right over in Hempstead,

780
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: and sometimes as we would go to games that were

781
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: arranged for our team and the other coach didn't want

782
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: his players to play against us. He said, so this

783
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: is sixty one sixty two, and it were like, well,

784
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: we play y'all, but they can't play. So our guy

785
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: Don Ryan, who's still there in Hempstead, in the community,

786
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: and he's he's he's an angel sent from heaven. He said,

787
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: let's go, guys, took the whole team, took the white

788
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: boys too, left the building. We had our team. We

789
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: would just leave the building. And that would have happened

790
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: two or three times a year during our seasons when

791
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: I was a remember there and I remember it and

792
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: I embrace it, you know, because that was so important

793
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: for what he did.

794
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: You think, Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown, you know, all these

795
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: athletes for in front of the civil rights. To me,

796
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: when I look at those times, I just think of

797
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: the courage, like the courage you had that. But people

798
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: are scared to talk right now, kiss, People are literally afraid.

799
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: This is the only time the President of the United

800
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: States will clap back on Instagram at you. Yeah, President

801
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: of the United States, be like yo, fact, Joe, let

802
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: me holler at you and tell you this, like people

803
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: are terrified to speak up now, and at that time,

804
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: you know it pretty much is hard to be you know,

805
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: because you risking your career, You're risking all that. So

806
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: when you were seeing guys like Muhammad Ali talking about

807
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: I ain't going to the war, no, all like that,

808
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: and you know what you thought at that time.

809
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So I was a little young for the heart

810
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: of the movement, but I was well aware of the

811
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: different players, the Martin Luther King's Hammad a lead, Jim Brown,

812
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: Long Island guy Bill Russell, so he was already in

813
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: basketball and you know he was an ultimate champion in basketball.

814
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: So so kind of watching from the sideline, but you know,

815
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: not being ignorant about what was going on, because you

816
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: know it was life or death. And you know, like

817
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: I said, I had friends who went to war. I

818
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: had friends who who followed Malcolm X. I having to

819
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: follow doctor King. So I was trying to, you know,

820
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: be spiritual, you know, let religion be different than what

821
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: was being said by the musclim movement. And so so

822
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: being in that and you know what you had to

823
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: you had to believe in something you had to take

824
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: a stand in some capacity. So I followed doctor King.

825
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I followed doctor King too. You know, it's

826
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 2: crazy because I think of seeing out of the movie

827
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: Malcolm X right and they walking through Harlem and you

828
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: see Reven Ale on a on a box preaching that

829
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 2: you see the Muslims saying you'll see the five percent

830
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: of saying you'll see get all the witness like they was.

831
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: Everybody was preaching in one corner, take a side. Yeah.

832
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: He said, you've got to be about some details. You

833
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: don't stand for something, for for anything, all for anything.

834
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: I always say, doctor Martin Luther King is the greatest

835
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: American ever lived, and uh gave his life for it.

836
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

837
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: His courage was incredible. He chose love over hate, jose peace,

838
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: you know, and bringing the people together. And he was too.

839
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you just dedicated his whole life

840
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: to that. People don't do that anymore. They're dedicated for

841
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: a while and then somebody blowing their hair. Next thing

842
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: you know, they're over there doing something they ain't supposed

843
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: to be doing. When you got fake activists that get

844
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: paid off to stop acting, they no more.

845
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: They're gone.

846
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah, the whole belief once they catch that little

847
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: check and check it out. So I'll be like huh,

848
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: and they'd be like yeah, and then all of a sudden,

849
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: you know, they took the check.

850
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, we're constantly looking for a new hero, you know,

851
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: difference maker. You know, somebody will constantly and some people

852
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: will get pushed to that position. Yeah, I think I

853
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: think you have to be born into it. You know,

854
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: it's not something you learn how to be, not something

855
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: you learn in school.

856
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: Something God puts in you that's says, hey man, you

857
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: got me. Don't have no fear, go represent your people.

858
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: And so that's important.

859
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: This ain't that? That ain't this cracking kiss?

860
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: Make sure y'all check the documentary out of Amazon Prime.

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