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Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 1: with you, and it's so nice to have you with

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Speaker 1: uespecially if you are listing on the radio around the country.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot to discuss it happened this last week,

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Speaker 1: including some incredible crime stats that the media is not

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Speaker 1: connecting back to the policies of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a big show today. We start with

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Speaker 2: the numbers that were just released that show murder rates

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Speaker 2: in the United States dropped more than twenty percent. That

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Speaker 2: is on top of data that just came out that

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Speaker 2: show drug overdose deaths dropped more than twenty percent. Both

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Speaker 2: of these this year compared to last year. We're going

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Speaker 2: to break down those numbers. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: why that's happening and how literally tens of thousands of

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Speaker 2: Americans are alive today because President Trump was reelected and

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Speaker 2: Republicans have control of both Houses of Congress. We're also

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Speaker 2: going to talk about Jack Smith's disastrous testimony before the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives. He got up and brazen lead tried

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Speaker 2: to defend his abuse of power, and it did not

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Speaker 2: go well. We're going to give you all the details.

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Speaker 1: Compassion dot com. That's compassion dot Com. All right, Senator,

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Speaker 1: so let's just get back to this headline. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people not paying attention to it because why well,

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Speaker 1: no one's covering it because it's good news. There are

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Speaker 1: fewer Americans that are becoming victims of crime, fewer people

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Speaker 1: in America that are being murdered. All of this because

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's leadership and trying to go into danger

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Speaker 1: cities and make them safer for all Americans.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with crime, and what was released this week

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Speaker 2: is the latest murder rates, and the murder rates across

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Speaker 2: the United States decreased nationwide roughly twenty percent. And let's

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Speaker 2: put that in specific numbers. If you look at January

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Speaker 2: through October of twenty twenty five, and you compare it

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Speaker 2: to the same time period in twenty twenty four. In

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, approximately five nine hundred and twelve murders

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, seven three hundred and sixty nine

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Speaker 2: murders were recorded. In other words, there are about fourteen

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Speaker 2: not murdered because of common sense law and order policies

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Speaker 2: because of not releasing murderers onto the street, because of

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Speaker 2: deporting murderers and violent gang members. And let's break the

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Speaker 2: numbers down. Chicago the murder rate dropped thirty percent. New

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Speaker 2: York City the murder rate dropped twenty percent. Birmingham, Alabama,

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Speaker 2: it dropped forty nine percent. Albuquerque, New Mexico, had dropped

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Speaker 2: thirty two percent, Baltimore, Maryland it dropped thirty one percent, Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: one percent. These are historic lows, and if these trends continue,

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Speaker 2: the US may record its lowest murder rate since nineteen sixty,

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Speaker 2: that is sixty six years ago. That is a stunning result.

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Speaker 2: By the way, border crime, border crime, other violent crimes

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Speaker 2: and murderers and gang members, which is truly, it is

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Speaker 2: a level of dishonesty that is incredible. And I want

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Speaker 2: why is it that we've seen a twenty percent drop

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Speaker 2: increase in violent crime arrests. What rate do you think

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Speaker 4: What has it been? I have no clue.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: How about this? Gangs and criminal enterprises disrupted? What rate

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and ten percent a total of one thousand,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred gangs and criminal enterprises disrupted? All right, fetanyl

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Speaker 2: more than two thousand kilos of fetanyl sees. That's up

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Speaker 2: thirty one percent. That's enough to kill one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty million Americans. There've also been more than six thousand

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Speaker 2: child victims located. That's an increase of twenty two percent.

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Speaker 2: There have been more than one thousand, seven hundred child

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Speaker 2: predators arrested. That's an increase of ten percent. There have

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Speaker 2: been more than three hundred human traffickers arrested. That's up

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Speaker 2: fifteen percent. There's a thirty five percent increase in espionage arrests.

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Speaker 2: And four of the FBI's top ten most wanted fugitives

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Speaker 2: in one year, do you have many how many of

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Speaker 2: the FBI's top ten lists were captured in the four

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess it's less than five.

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Speaker 2: Four So in one year they captured as many on

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Speaker 2: And the media want to do everything they can to say, no, no,

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Speaker 2: this drop in the murder rate. It just happened magically.

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Speaker 2: It's probably due to global warming or something. It has

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with arresting murderers. It has nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with deporting murders. It certainly has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with MS thirteen gang members being put in jail and deported,

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Speaker 2: despite the fact that the way you join MS thirteen

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Speaker 2: then you put on top of it, put on top

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Speaker 2: of it the drop in overdoses. And when we come back,

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Speaker 2: we're going to give you the drop in overdoses, which

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Speaker 2: is even more profound. Even more lives have been saved

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Speaker 1: We also have some incredible data when it comes to overdoses.

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Speaker 1: This country saving counts lives by securing the border but

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Speaker 1: also going after the cartels and doing everything we can

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Speaker 1: to stop the floid drugs in this country, and it's

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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, although the one thing I'll disagree with

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Speaker 2: you on, as you said countless lives, We actually can

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Speaker 2: lives that have been saved are staggering. We just discussed

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Speaker 2: how the murder rate has dropped twenty percent in the

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Speaker 2: first year of the Trump administration to the lowest rate

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Speaker 2: That means roughly one thy four hundred Americans are alive

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Speaker 2: today who would have been murdered if Joe Biden and

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Speaker 2: the Democrats soft on crime open border policies were still

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Speaker 2: in effect. Now, that's a lot ony four hundred people

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Speaker 2: still alive. Nobody knows who it is. It may be you,

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Speaker 2: have been murdered, but there would have been more murders.

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Speaker 2: As big as that is, that's not even close to

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Speaker 2: the biggest decrease in deaths because of President Trump and

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Speaker 2: because of common sense policies. The biggest decrease in deaths

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Speaker 2: to pause for a second and ask everyone listening to this.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen this on the six o'clock news? Have

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Speaker 2: you read this of the New York Times? Have you

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Speaker 2: seen the corporate media covering this? They don't want to

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Speaker 2: cover this. Here are the stats. In twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: drug overdose deaths in America dropped roughly twenty one percent.

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Speaker 2: Now what does that mean? That means in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: there were nine twenty one thousand, six hundred and ninety

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Speaker 2: ninety four same time period, and that's actually a year

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Speaker 2: and this is from the CDC ninety one thousand, six

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Speaker 2: think they were in twenty twenty five. Well, the answer

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Speaker 2: other words, the deaths fell from ninety one thousand, six

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Speaker 2: thirty six. That means they're about nineteen thousand people who

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Speaker 2: did not die because of drug overdoses. And what are

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Speaker 2: the policies that led to it? Well, Number one, securing

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Speaker 2: illegal crossings. Number Two, targeting the drug traffickers. All of

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Speaker 2: the images you've seen of the administration taking out Venezuelan

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Speaker 2: they're nineteen thousand Americans who are alive today. These are

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Speaker 2: may not think that government policies necessarily impact your life,

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Speaker 2: rightly focused on locking up violent criminals, on putting murderers

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Speaker 2: and gang members. And America is much much safer as

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about this, Senator, and I just

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Speaker 1: talk about a comparing contrast. Donald Trump comes in and

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Speaker 1: we lower crime statistically nationwide, and it's in a level,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, that we haven't seen in decades.

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Speaker 1: You compare that to what Democrats were doing to lower crime.

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Speaker 1: They were just lying about the crime stats. Washington, DC

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Speaker 1: want to look like crime had gone down. They straight

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Speaker 1: up lied about the crime statistics. We've seen this happen

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Speaker 1: lying or recategorizing certain crimes and putting them in different categories.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't be reported the same way to make it

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Speaker 1: artificially look like crime had gone down. And the difference

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Speaker 1: here is one party really fights crime and goes out

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Speaker 1: to the criminals and wins, and the other one says,

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Speaker 1: when you do a crime, will make it look safer

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Speaker 1: by altering the numbers. That is a difference between the

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And and and you also have, uh,

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Speaker 2: you have the media deliberately lying. So for example, this

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Speaker 4: He was in front of Congress.

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Speaker 2: Others, Jack Smith was the point of the spear on

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Speaker 2: He also subpoenaed the phone records of roughly twenty percent

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Speaker 2: If you're a fan of lame is, Jack Smith would

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Speaker 2: He testified for the House of Representatives. It was a disaster.

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan your friend of mine. He's been again on

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Speaker 2: the Verdict podcast. Before Jim Jordan shaired the hearing. He

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Speaker 3: Jenal yields back.

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Speaker 5: Mister Smith, is Cassidy Hutchinson a liar. She was their

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Speaker 3: And I just want to know you think she was lying.

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Speaker 6: Chairman Jordan.

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Speaker 7: My assessment of that particular issue is that with respect

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Speaker 5: You familiar with the name Tony Ornado. I'm sorry, you

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Speaker 3: You remember what he said about it?

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Speaker 6: As I said here right now, I do not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he said it didn't happen. How about Bobby Ingle?

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Speaker 5: Are you familiar with that name? Yes, I am Secret

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Speaker 5: He said it didn't happen. And they both said the

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Speaker 3: By the way, do you.

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Speaker 5: Ever confirm her testimony about this particular incident?

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Speaker 7: We conducted, as I said, before, our own independent investigation

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Speaker 6: We attorneys from my office.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever confirm it? That's a simple question.

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Speaker 7: We interviewed her, I should say, attorneys in my office.

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Speaker 5: But did you ever confirm the president leaping across the seat,

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Speaker 7: We interviewed another firsthand witness who was in the car

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Speaker 5: But also your deposition to the committee last month, mister Smith,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And you also said miss Hutchinson, regarding this particular claim,

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Speaker 5: And you said, if I were a defense attorney, miss

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Speaker 5: say you remember saying all that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's correct, so that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Were you gonna put her on the witness stand if

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Speaker 7: We had not made final determinations as to who we

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Speaker 5: Are you familiar what Washington Post reporters Carol Lenning and

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Speaker 7: My recollection is that I certainly had not made any

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Speaker 6: In who we were going to call.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the point.

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Speaker 5: That is the point, the fact that they used her

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Speaker 6: That says it all.

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Speaker 5: That's the degree the Left and Democrats were willing to

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Speaker 6: Everybody knows that, and.

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Speaker 3: You were willing to do.

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Speaker 5: By the way, you know how many times Cassidy Hutchinson

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Speaker 4: Senator.

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Speaker 1: You listened to that line of questioning, and that's just

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Speaker 1: already declared that they thought that the Stele dossier was

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Speaker 1: quote user generated, and they used it anyway that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what was happening here with a special counsel. It was

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Speaker 1: weaponize and do whatever you want to do to try

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Speaker 2: Well, and what Jim Jordan did there was also highlight

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Speaker 2: the willingness to rely on people that were lying, that

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Speaker 2: were obviously lying. I will say it's interesting Cassidy Hutchison.

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Speaker 2: I don't know her personally. Before she worked in the

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Speaker 2: White House, she was apparently an intern in my office.

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Speaker 2: I have no recollection of her. We have lots of

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Speaker 2: interns who come in and out of the office. We

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Speaker 2: tend to have interns in the spring semester and the

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Speaker 2: fall semester and also during the summer, and typically I

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Speaker 2: will sit down with the group of interns that are

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Speaker 2: with us for like a twenty minute meeting in my office,

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Speaker 2: and I'll talk with him a little bit. So I

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Speaker 2: assume I met her when she interned, but I don't

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Speaker 2: remember her. She wrote a book right after her star testimony.

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Speaker 2: She wrote a book of all of her stories, and

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Speaker 2: in it she describes this exchange with me, this conversation

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Speaker 2: that she says happened with me. That is truly fantastic

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Speaker 2: because it never occurred, and it was an exchange that

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Speaker 2: she said occurred after she went to the White House,

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Speaker 2: and the dialogue back and forth she makes up has

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Speaker 2: me kind of like tugging on her shirt sleeve and

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Speaker 2: asking for her help, and it has her like strongly

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Speaker 2: like sticking it to the Senator. And I have to admit,

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Speaker 2: so I didn't read her book, and I think very

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Speaker 2: few people actually did. I did what's called the Washington

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Speaker 2: read when someone writes something about you that's sort of

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Speaker 2: making a little bit of news, which is I went

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Speaker 2: and read the page where she talks about it, and

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Speaker 2: I literally laughed out loud at the exchange because it

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Speaker 2: it was truly fiction. And the fact that she was

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Speaker 2: willing to fictionalize a conversation with me that that did

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Speaker 2: not occur tells me that the other pages of the

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Speaker 2: book are quite likely to be fiction as well. And

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Speaker 2: it speaks volumes that both Jack Smith and the Democrats

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Speaker 2: running the January sixth Commission were perfectly happy to rely

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Speaker 2: upon a fabulous whom they knew was not telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: Senner, one of our good friends, actually did a great

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Speaker 1: back and forth in this hearing. Brandangil, a guy who

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Speaker 1: his tone is demeanor is always cool and calm and

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Speaker 1: kind of quiet, but very direct, and it's a personality

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Speaker 1: that I love watching because of the way that he

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Speaker 1: asks questions and gets answers. And he did a really

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Speaker 1: fabulous job in this situation as well.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: As you know, Brandon Gill is a good friend. He's

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Speaker 2: a freshman representative from Texas. He's someone I supported when

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Speaker 2: he ran in a very crowded primary. He had a

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Speaker 2: big win, and I told the voters of Texas if

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Speaker 2: they elected him, he was going to be a leader

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Speaker 2: in Washington, and already, just in his first year plus

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Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill, he's already proven to be a leader

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Speaker 2: in Washington. Here he's cross examining Jack Smith about Arctic

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Speaker 2: frost and in particular his willingness to trample on the

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Speaker 2: Constitution to target both the Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: and also roughly twenty percent of the Republicans in the

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Speaker 2: United States Senate. Give a listen to this exchange and

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Speaker 2: how ridiculous Jack Smith's responses are to Brandon Gill's questions.

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Speaker 5: The gentleman from Texas, mister Gill was recognized for five minutes.

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Speaker 8: Mister Smith in January of twenty twenty three, did you

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Speaker 8: subpoena then Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy's toll records?

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, we.

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Speaker 3: Did, Yes, you did.

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Speaker 8: And the subpoena covered the time period between November twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty and January twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, sir. Could you say that again?

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Speaker 3: We're not going to delay like this.

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Speaker 8: The subpoena covered the time period between November of twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty and January twenty twenty one. How many days after

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Speaker 8: Kevin McCarthy was sworn in his speaker did you subpoena

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Speaker 8: his records?

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Speaker 6: I don't recall, but those two things had nothing.

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Speaker 8: It was sixteen days after becoming the highest ranking Republican

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Speaker 8: in the House of Representatives, usubpoenaed his toll records. Do

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Speaker 8: you agree that that might reasonably be considered a violation

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Speaker 8: of the speech or debate clause?

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Speaker 6: I do not, and I want to be clear that

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Speaker 6: the till.

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Speaker 8: We were collecting months worth of phone data on the

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Speaker 8: Republicans Speaker of the House, the leader of the opposition,

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Speaker 8: right after he got sworn in as speaker, all around

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Speaker 8: the time of a major vote that sounds like a

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Speaker 8: flagrant violation of the speech or debate clause to me,

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Speaker 8: and I think most people agree with me. And Speaker

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Speaker 8: McCarthy had no recourse, did he? Because you issued a

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Speaker 8: non disclosure order ensuring that neither he nor any of

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Speaker 8: the American people knew about the subpoenas.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 7: The toll record, the non content toll record subpoena is

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Speaker 7: we did secure non disclosure orders for those subpoenas.

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Speaker 3: You did.

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Speaker 8: And let me ask you, mister Smith, at the time

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Speaker 8: you secured those non disclosure orders.

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Speaker 3: Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk?

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Speaker 7: The non disclosure order was based on concerns about it.

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Speaker 3: Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risks?

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Speaker 6: Was not?

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Speaker 3: He was not?

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Speaker 8: Then why did your non disclosure order refer to him

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Speaker 8: as a flight risk? It says right here the court

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Speaker 8: finds reasonable grounds to believe that such disclosure will result

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Speaker 8: in flight from prosecution.

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Speaker 7: Sir, When securing a non disclosure order, the risks don't

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Speaker 7: have to be associated.

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Speaker 8: I think that the Speaker of the House is risks

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Speaker 8: this question, No, this is not your time, this is

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Speaker 8: my time. You think the Speaker of the House is

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Speaker 8: a flight risk? You think he's going to hop on

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Speaker 8: a plane and leave the country.

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Speaker 7: No. What I was trying to explain is, with respect

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Speaker 7: to a non disclosure order, the risks aren't necessarily associated

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Speaker 7: with the subscriber to the phone, the risks to okay mitigation.

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Speaker 8: I think that you were using this is clearly in

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Speaker 8: reference to Speaker McCarthy, and you were using clearly false

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Speaker 8: information to secure a non disclosure order to hide from

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Speaker 8: Speaker McCarthy and from the American people the fact that

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Speaker 8: you were spying on his toll records.

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Speaker 3: But I've got more more, so let's move on.

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Speaker 8: In May of twenty twenty three, you also issued subpoenas

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Speaker 8: for toll records of nine US senators and an additional representative.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: In May of twenty three, we did issues.

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Speaker 8: You did, and there were non disclosure orders in conjunction

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Speaker 8: with those subpoenas as well.

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Speaker 7: Right, that's correct, consistent with Department policy, right law.

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Speaker 3: So again, nobody would know what you were doing.

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Speaker 8: The senators would, and the representatives would, and the American

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Speaker 8: people wouldn't know what you were doing.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 7: The toll records that we secured in the non disclosure

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Speaker 7: orders were consistent with policy, and.

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Speaker 8: You knew whenever you were doing that that there was

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Speaker 8: a risk you were violating the speechure debate clause.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 7: The toll record subpoenas that we secured were with the

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Speaker 7: concurrence of the public context.

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Speaker 8: Your own analysis says that you knew there was a

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Speaker 8: risk you were violating the speech or debate clause.

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Speaker 3: I have it right here.

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Speaker 8: This is an email from John Keller at Public Integrity

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Speaker 8: Section to your team. As you are aware quote, as

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Speaker 8: you are aware, there is some litigation risk regarding whether

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Speaker 8: compelled disclosure of toll records of a member's legislative calls

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Speaker 8: violates the speechure debate clause in the DC circuit. That's

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Speaker 8: from your own analysis right there. So you did know,

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Speaker 8: didn't you.

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Speaker 7: So with respect to the item you just put up

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Speaker 7: on the screen, the last sentence states.

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Speaker 8: Uh, oh, we're going to get to the last sentence. Okay,

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Speaker 8: We're going to get to the last sentence, and you

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Speaker 8: cite case Lawn here. Quote the bar on compelled disclosure

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Speaker 8: is absolute?

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Speaker 3: Is right? Is that right? Or do you think that

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Speaker 3: you didn't have to abide by that precedent?

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Speaker 7: To be clear, this is not this statement is not

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Speaker 7: from my office. This is the statement.

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Speaker 8: This is this is your justification for those subpoenas and

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Speaker 8: indios that you ordered. This was part of your analysis.

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Speaker 8: It's a cursory analysis. I think it's worth noting. Well,

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Speaker 8: let's get to that last sentence then, quote, given my

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Speaker 8: understanding of the low likelihood that any of the members

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Speaker 8: listed below would be charged, the litigation risk should be

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Speaker 8: minimal here. In other words, you're using a novel legal theory,

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Speaker 8: which you knew was novel, has never been tested by

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Speaker 8: any court. You're not charging any of these members. Nobody's

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Speaker 8: going to know about it because you issued indio. Nobody's

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Speaker 8: going to sue about it, So sue this.

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Speaker 3: So who cares? We're going to do it.

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Speaker 8: Anyways, You walked all over the Constitution throughout this entire

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Speaker 8: product ven the Gentleman's Times sighclared members of Congress, and

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Speaker 8: you know it.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely disgraceful.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible when you when you hear just how out

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Speaker 1: of control our government was under the direction of the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration and Jack Smith and the unlimited powers that

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Speaker 1: clearly he believed he had to just do and create

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Speaker 1: whatever he wanted to try to bring down Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and anyone around him.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jack Smith knew that what he was doing was illegal,

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Speaker 2: that it violated the Constitution, that had violated the speech

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Speaker 2: and debate clause. But as that email exchange indicates that

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Speaker 2: that Brandon Gill read, he was counting on the fact

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Speaker 2: that no one would ever know about it, that it

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Speaker 2: would stay secret, that it would never be made public,

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Speaker 2: so he could violate the law. And his objective was

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Speaker 2: to prevent the American people from re electing President Trump.

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Speaker 2: And let's be clear, if Kamala Harris is DOJ we

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Speaker 2: were in office, we wouldn't know about this. Nobody would

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Speaker 2: know about this. He would have succeeded. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: like the villain and Scooby Doo. You know, he would

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Speaker 2: have gotten away with it if it weren't for those

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Speaker 2: meddling kids. And by the way, by the meddling kids,

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Speaker 2: he means the voters of America who decided, no, we've

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Speaker 2: had enough of this dumpster fire. We'd like to get

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Speaker 2: back to common sense. And I got to say, Jack

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Speaker 2: Smith is just calmly telling Congress that he went but

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Speaker 2: went before the judge, and he lied, he lied over

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Speaker 2: and over again. I thought the exchange. Is Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 2: a flight risk? He says no, Well, then why did

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Speaker 2: you tell the judge he was a flight risk? And

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Speaker 2: he has no good answer. Well, well, you know we're

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Speaker 2: not referring to the actual target of the subpoena. It's

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Speaker 2: complete nonsense. He also told told the judge that every

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Speaker 2: Republican that he subpoenaed was was likely to destroy evidence,

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Speaker 2: completely made up, false statements, and it's an abuse of power.

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Speaker 2: And and Jack Smith is completely unapologetic, incredible.

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