1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ. Buck back with you, Buck? 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: What is the word man? 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: DJ? 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: It was a great holiday weekend, but I think it's 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: really important for us to start, like to acknowledge the 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: tragedy that happened over the course of the weekend. Minnesota 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 3: Vikings fourth round pig Kyrie Jackson passes away in a 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: tragic drunk driving accident in which he was the victim. 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: He and two of his high school buddies pass away 12 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 3: in the fatal accident. And you know, it's just a 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: reminder this time of year one how precious life is. 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: To the fears that we all have in the football 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: community of this little break between the end of like 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: OTA's and mini camps and training camp, and you just 17 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 3: always hope that you know, players are able to kind 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: of take care of themselves, be in a safe environment, 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: and that they're able to get back to you healthy 20 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: and ready to go. And so it's just so unfortunate 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 3: that three lives pass and we lose an opportunity. Not 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: only would the families lose, but we lose an opportunity 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: to watch a young player who had a lot of promise. 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: That Liam player returned the corner and there was a 25 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 3: lot of excitement and buzz around him with the Minnesota Vikings. 26 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's so so sad, man. It was 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: just literally we were just talking about him. I mean 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: just a few months ago as he's getting ready to 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: enter into the draft, the very talented player, you know, 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: been in Alabama then at Oregon, you know, real long, 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: rangy athletic corner and it kind of just just getting 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: started right, not only in his career, but truthfully in 33 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: life at that age. And then you get that news, 34 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: just a gut punch man, and just thoughts and prayers 35 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: obviously to his family, his friends, his teammates, his coaches. 36 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: Just just a really really sad, sad situation there. So 37 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad you did that, Bucket's. You know, we definitely 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: want to send our love and support to all those 39 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: impacted by that. Just an awful situation, yeah, all of 40 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: a situation. 41 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: And look, the one thing that you know, you send 42 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: out prayers to his family and those guys and even 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: the Kevin O'Connell and the Minnesota Viking's family because it's 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: tough to lose a teammate, and so they not only 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: have to deal with, you know, like the loss of 46 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: a life, but like kind of putting the team back 47 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: together in terms of, like, there's gonna be a lot 48 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: of heartbroking guys that when they show up at training 49 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: camp that are going to miss Kyrie. And even though 50 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: he's a ricking yetting been around the team for long, 51 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: he had already made an impact when you see the 52 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: tweets and the well wishes and those things. So look 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: as party goes out to those guys, thoughts and prayers 54 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: to the family everyone affected, and hopefully his family can 55 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: find some kind of peace in the strategy. 56 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: Damn no, no question. Well there's no there's no easy 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: transition when you're coming off of a situation as serious 58 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: as that one. But on today's show, we are going 59 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: to talk about one of the top quarterbacks in this 60 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: upcoming draft class, the guy we're looking forward to watching 61 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: this fall on the college field, as well as some 62 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: thoughts that you were able to pull from our Buddy 63 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: Joe Class podcasts off of a couple of coaching interviews 64 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: that he recently did. 65 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: We'll get to those. 66 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: And then I actually had a little book that I 67 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: finished up this summer that I wanted to hit you 68 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: up on who a lot of times you get a 69 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: chance to read these books and and they're not football related, 70 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: but we find a way to kind of pull it 71 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: back to football and see what lessons we can take 72 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: from what we can learn and can help us in 73 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: the scouting process. So we'll we'll jump into that as well. 74 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: But I want to start off first of all, Buck 75 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: Queen yours before I get you to my thoughts on 76 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: him after watching him for this little first look series 77 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com. I know you go back to 78 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: high school with quinn Ewrers and knowing him as a 79 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: young guy, mullet and all here, So give me your 80 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: give me your early day impression of quinn Ewrs and 81 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: kind of where you are on him right now. 82 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: So I think if everyone goes back and think about 83 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: when quinn Ewles was coming out of high school, he 84 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: was regarded as like a bona fide superstar coming out 85 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: of high school. This is a guy who had a 86 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: huge following behind him. He was one of the most 87 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: decorated recruits in that class, and a lot of it 88 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: was the brand that was quinn Ewrs, meaning had a mullet. 89 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: He was a little different, kind of had that old 90 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: Andre agassy look with the hair and the flowing locks. 91 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: I was exposed to us for the first time at 92 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: Lead eleven. He was on my seven on seventeen as 93 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: the quarterback, and I'm gonna be honest with you, like 94 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: he kind of had this aura about him where he 95 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: kind of embraced being a superstar. 96 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: He kind of walked around, I. 97 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: Won't say, like too cool for school, but he certainly 98 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: knew that all o's were on him and he welcomed 99 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: the attention. Made his way to Ohio State, never really 100 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: played at Ohio State, then comes back to Texas. People say, 101 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: like the nil like kind of started with him, and 102 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: then he has become a really good player at Texas. 103 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: But that first exposure to him was man, he was 104 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: someone who I would say the persona was much bigger 105 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: than the game. And it's interesting to watch how it's flipped. 106 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 3: He's become more of a baller than brand and I 107 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: think that certainly bows well for his NFL future. 108 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, let's start at the top of 109 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: what you said there. He needs to get an nil 110 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: deal with Cannon with the camera images everything. Do you 111 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: remember those Andrea Agacy commercials back and yes, yes, I. 112 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: Mean like it was very much like that, the long 113 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: flowing locks, he had, the brand, he had, the glasses, 114 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: he had everything, and you know, everything is bigger in Texas, 115 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 3: but he was a big deal and it was a 116 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: big deal for him to lead because I want to 117 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: say he. 118 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: Even left high school early. Yeah, I think. 119 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 3: And got his clock going right away, and you know 120 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: when he doesn't, I would say, like kind of make 121 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: the move and light it up right away at Ohio 122 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: State because you know, like c J. 123 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: Strouds still there like you wanted, like, hey, man, is 124 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: it hype? Is it? Is it real? Is he going 125 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: to be what everyone says? And DJ? 126 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: Over the last two years, he's made steady improvements to 127 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 3: the point where you can think that, a he can 128 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: be everything that people said that he was going to 129 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 3: be when he was in high school. 130 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because that was my first image of 131 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: him too, right, is the kind of the mullet. And 132 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: then like it seems like he feels a little overhyped, 133 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: goes to Ohio State, He's out of there as soon 134 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: as he got there. It feels like and he's at 135 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: Texas and then it was like, Okay, well, now arch 136 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: Manning is going there, so he's just bridge quarterback, Like 137 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna swallow him up, spit him out, and he'll 138 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: be and he'll be off, never be heard from again. 139 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: So I don't know what my expectations were. 140 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: Obviously, I saw a lot of Texas doing the draft 141 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: prep because of the whiteouts. You watch all those guys, 142 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: and you know, I just okay, I thought, Okay, he's 143 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: got a live arm. You know, I don't know what 144 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: to think of him, but I'm anxious to do a 145 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: little study on him. So like three games I watched 146 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: Bama tcut Kansas. Bama game is really good. Man Like, 147 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: everything is decisive. He plays fast, he plays with urgency. 148 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: He's got really quick feet, he can climb, get away 149 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: from from pressure. He's got pretty good pocket feeling there. 150 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: His feet can be a little bit of a mess 151 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: as a thrower. In other words, like we talk about 152 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: it when you're evaluating players, sometimes your eyes can be 153 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: faster than your feet. Like he's seeing things very quickly 154 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: and he'll be to the right, his eyes will get 155 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: back to the middle, to the left, and he's throwing 156 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: the ball across his body instead of getting his feet 157 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: connected to his eyes and moving and staying on platform. 158 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: But still he makes some, you know, some incredible throws. 159 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: I wrote about it on the NFL dot com thing. 160 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I said, look, look he's got to clean all this 161 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: stuff up. But there are times too where even with 162 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: all that you know, crossfire action, he's still able to 163 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: deliver the ball pretty accurately. He can drive it. He 164 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: can make every type of throw if you give him 165 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: free yards. We always talk about that with mobility, right, 166 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: we don't need you to be, you know, the greatest 167 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: athlete of all time, but when the yards are presented 168 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: from the defense, can you take him? He can absolutely 169 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: do that. He's like a thirty yard touchdown run. I 170 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: want to say it was in a TC or that 171 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: it was a Kansas scheme. Took off and ran and 172 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: made some things happen there. There's like a you know, 173 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: in terms of a comparison, the first name that popped 174 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: into my mind, and it was one of those ones 175 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I can't use this as a comp 176 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: because a half half or more than for the people 177 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: this aren't even to know who this player is. And 178 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: b people will think it's an insult when it really isn't. 179 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: But Kevin Cobb. 180 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: You remember Kevin Cobb coming out of college Houston. Yeah, yeah, 181 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: with the Eagles and they make the trade trading with 182 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I think they got what a second round pick, 183 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: maybe even a first round pick for Kevin Cobb and 184 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: uh and then Kevin Cobb had injuries and then never 185 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: to really be heard from again. But something about something 186 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: about mechanically about him right reminded me a little bit 187 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: of Kevin Cobb. And I'm like, okay, and that's not 188 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: it not a perfect comp but there was a little 189 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: bit of that, and then I thought, okay, with the 190 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, the combination of kind of the moxie, some 191 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: of the you know, the poise, the playmaking, not the 192 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: biggest guy in the world, but of the live arm, 193 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: I ended up settling on Baker. I'm like, Okay, he's 194 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: not as advanced as Baker at this point, but I 195 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: think there's that's the type of quarterback you're going to 196 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: be getting in in uh in yours. 197 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 198 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: So that's that's interesting that you talk about Baker because 199 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: here's the things that you like about Baking. Why the 200 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: comparison is valid. Sometimes when we're doing comparisons, we're not 201 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: talking about heightweight, arm, talent those things. We're talking about 202 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: playing style and how you can envision the impact that 203 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: he can make on the game. And so some of 204 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: Baker's best traits worth the cockiness. I won't even say cockiness. 205 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: I will say the self assuredness, the belief, the confidence 206 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: that he not only had, but he rejected and gave 207 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: his teammates in him, meaning that he was so good 208 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: at what he did that the team had a belief 209 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: that if we just give Baker Mayfield the ball, we're 210 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: gonna finish the game. We'll find a way to win. 211 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: When you watch Texas play, there's a little bit of 212 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: that belief that they know that we got to do 213 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: that quarterback and as long as we have a dude, 214 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: we have a chance. And we've talked about franchise quarterbacks 215 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: giving the franchise hope when yours has the type of 216 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: game that if you take him, you have the hope 217 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: that he is going to be the guy that in 218 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: a two minute situation, if we need it, he can 219 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: find a way to get it done. 220 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: And I think that is everything when it comes to 221 00:09:59,240 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: the evaluation. 222 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt some of the areas to improve. Obviously 223 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: I talked about, you know, getting his feet married up 224 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: better with his eyes, just keeping those things connected. Deep 225 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: ball wise, there, you watched the Alabama game as the 226 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: first game I watched, and I even posted after them, 227 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: like do this guy throws a beautiful deep ball, man, 228 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of air under it, just kind 229 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: of dropping it right in the bucket to those those Thoroughbreds. 230 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: They had a wide receiver last year with the track 231 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: team with with with the Worthy and Mitchell, and then 232 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: as you kind of go in those other games, he 233 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: hung it up a little bit at times where he 234 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: needs kind of flatten it out a little bit, just 235 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: gave the safety time to get over make plays. So 236 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: just forking some things on that trajectory wise, very fixable, 237 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: very solvable. But in terms of just all the tools 238 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: that are there, in terms of the suddenness, the quickness, 239 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: the urgency, the live arm, you know, the moxie, the playmaking, like, 240 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: he's got everything. Man, I think he's going to have 241 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: a big year. I know, you know, Arch Manning is 242 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: going to be the most popular backup quarterback in college 243 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: football this coming season. And I'm and I'm sure you 244 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of longhorned fans that are are 245 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: ready to accelerate that clock came out on the field 246 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: because they're excited about him. He's a bigger, he's more 247 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: physical guy. Obviously, the gene pool was fantastic. I don't 248 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: think you're going to see him this year, man. I 249 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: think Quinn Yours is poised to have a big year. 250 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: I know they lost some receivers. Steve Sarkisian is always 251 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: going to have white outs. I think Quinn Ewer is 252 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: gonna have a really good year. 253 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: So let's talk about his coach and Steve Sarkisian. 254 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: One of the advantages that Yours has in terms of 255 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: getting ready to go to the next level is the 256 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: fact that he has had a coach who has not 257 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: only coached high level college quarterbacks, but he spent time 258 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: in the league. And you have to remember, Steve Sarkisian 259 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: had an opportunity to coach Matt Ryan. I think that 260 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: is critical to note because of how Matt Ryan plays 261 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: the game and how Matt Ryan was able to be 262 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: a cerebral playmaker who had the arm talent to make 263 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: all the throws and really continue to grow as he 264 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 3: got more experienced. 265 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 2: In the league. Well Sark can take all of those experiences. 266 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: That he had with Matt Ryan at Atlanta and really 267 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: pass on those nuggets to quinn Ewers. And I would 268 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: expect quin yours game to make a major jump in 269 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: year three at Texas. And one of the reasons is 270 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: now we're beginning to get to the point where you 271 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: have the experience where you have enough expertise to be 272 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: able to maybe work a little outside of the framework 273 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: of the offense we talk about and I think I've 274 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: heard you said on here where Steve Young talked about 275 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: good quarterbacks exhaust all of their options when it comes 276 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: to reading the route. Quinn Ewis has now played enough 277 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: football where he should be able to get to the 278 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: point where he exhausts all of the options, meaning that 279 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: in every pass route there may be four or five 280 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: options to go through the progression. He should now be 281 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: able to get to three and four because he knows 282 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: exactly what is going on. He understands the concept versus 283 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: the defense that he's facing. And if he's able to 284 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: do that, it not only helps him what he's doing 285 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: at the collegiate level, it now begins to give him 286 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: an opportunity to do some of the stuff that brock 287 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: Perdy was able to do very early in his career 288 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: because he played enough games at the collegiate level that 289 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: has slowed down enough that now he is really running 290 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: and understanding the offense as opposed to executing plays that 291 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 3: the coach has given him. 292 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I also think, and we'll get into this a little 293 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: bit more when we discussed this book in a little bit, 294 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: but if you're looking at kind of a formula, a 295 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: successful formula for transitioning into the NFL, man, it's interesting 296 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: to look at guys who have, you know, I feel 297 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: like they've been in college forever and have had some adversity, 298 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: think about maybe even changing schools. Joe Burrow is a 299 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: recent example of that, obviously obviously compared him to Baker. 300 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: Baker is another another example of that. Right, so, you know, 301 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts having you know, some adversity and then moving schools, 302 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: Like there's there's a there's a parallel there of these 303 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: guys who feel like they've been in college forever, they've 304 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: had some adversity, they've been in the spotlight, they've had 305 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: a ton of pressure on him playing at some of 306 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: these these powerhouse programs. So there's there's some grit and 307 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: some toughness I think that's been ingrained in him that 308 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,599 Speaker 1: I think is going to help aid him once he 309 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: gets to the next level. But you know, Buck, that's 310 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: an interesting look there. Yours got a couple more guys 311 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: to look at here in this series, so we'll knock 312 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: those out and we'll talk about those on the pod. 313 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: But I want to use this as a launching point 314 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: to get to the next topic, which is I haven't 315 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: had a chance to listen to this yet, but our 316 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: buddy Joel Klatt has been going around interviewing all the 317 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: top coaches in the country and had some interesting conversations, 318 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: and I know one of those was with yours coach there, 319 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: Steve Sarkjan. 320 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great, you know, like DJ is fascinating 321 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: because you and I both know Sark pretty well, and 322 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: Sark has become one of the top coaches in college football, 323 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: and I think he is uniquely qualified to achieve at 324 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: a high level, much like Lane Kiffin, because these guys 325 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: had an opportunity to work under two of the greatest 326 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: coaches in college football, Nick Saban and Pete Carroll and 327 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: listening to Sark talk about what he learned from Pete 328 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: Carroll and Nick Saban, to me, it was interesting, DJ, 329 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: you and I both have been on the road where 330 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: we had to go to SC when SC was like, 331 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: I mean, look, it was like a rock star campus 332 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: where they had everybody and how Pete operated and it 333 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: was a little loosey goosey in terms of it was 334 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: player driven. 335 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: It was fun, it was festive, they got after it. 336 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: They won a lot of games, and it looked like 337 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: their team had more fun than anybody on the planet. 338 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: Then we've also had an opportunity to go to Alabama 339 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: and see the machine that Alabama became n the Nick Sabing, 340 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: where it was buttoned up. 341 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: It was detail. 342 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: It was I won't say militaristic, but it was no nonsense, 343 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: strictly business when it came to it. Sark has been 344 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: able to learn under both approaches and take out a 345 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: little bit from each guy, and I think was fascinating 346 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: and listening to him talk about what he learned from 347 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: both of those guys. He said, they're different, but they're 348 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: the same when it comes to the objective. Different personalities, 349 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: but the same in terms of how they wanted their 350 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: team to play fast. Physical execution was at a premium, 351 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: but they went about it different ways. And Sarks had 352 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: the thing that he learned from both. You have to 353 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: be you when you're the leader of the team. You 354 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: can't try to be somebody else. You have to be 355 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: authentic in who you are and how you go about 356 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: your business while still having some of those old school 357 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: principles that apply. And I think a lot of times 358 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: and he said this, and I thought it was interesting. 359 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: He said they were better the latter part of their 360 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: career than the early part. Fifty plus is when they 361 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: dominated the game. And he felt like they dominated later 362 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: because they had the experience to now understand, oh, I 363 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: can be myself. I got the expertise. Now I can 364 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: just go coach and do it. And too often we 365 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: don't see coaches kind of get to that latter stage 366 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: of their career where they have acquired all the lessons 367 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: and learned everything, and now they can apply those lessons 368 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: while being themselves because they're fully confident in who they are. 369 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: So this is a theory I have on this new 370 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: era of college football. And you tell me where it's 371 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: where it's right, where it's wrong. But just looking at 372 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: it right, I feel like because of the portal, Like 373 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: we talk about anil all we want, but to me, 374 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: the portal is even more impactful when you look at it, 375 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: where the talent used to be at you had the 376 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: top end teams, there's like three or four of those teams, right, 377 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: and then you had the talent kind of dispersed beneath that. 378 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: And then even to the point where you get some 379 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: you know, some group of five teams, you're going to 380 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: have a few big time players scattered around in the 381 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: group of five. Now it feels like, okay, that's become 382 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: now where these monster programs have scattered all of these 383 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: kids right ail they're pulling all those kids from the 384 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: group of five up. But now instead of having two 385 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: or three or five powerhouse programs competing for a national championship, 386 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that number has grown where there's maybe 387 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: and again we have a twelve team playoff, which is 388 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: a good number, but let's say there's twelve to fifteen 389 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: super teams now as opposed to three to five super teams. 390 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: I feel like that number has grown, and I feel 391 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: like coaching and teaching and developing, like on the football field, 392 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: growing throughout the year, x'es and o's all that stuff. 393 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: I feel like in those twelve to fifteen programs, now 394 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: they're all going to be ridiculously talented. So now it's 395 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: like this playing field is the level. And that's where 396 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: I think coaching is going to have a major impact. 397 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: If you're one of those twelve to fifteen schools, you 398 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: all have players. I think the X factor is going 399 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: to be the coaching staff. 400 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the coaching staff. 401 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: And what's interesting, and let's give a shout out to 402 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: our got Joel Klap because Joel has done a really 403 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: good job of talking to great coaches who will kind 404 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: of understand it. And not only was the conversation with 405 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: Sarkeys and I heard him listen talk to Dion Sanders, 406 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: He talked to Matt Ruhl from Nebrawsk. 407 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: He also talked to Sarn Moore from Michigan. 408 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: And I would say the theme that we're getting from 409 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 3: all the coaches, it's relationships more so than the tactics. 410 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: Is really pouring into the players, letting them know that 411 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: you really care about them beyond what they can do 412 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 3: for you on the field, and that's when you're able 413 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: to unlock their secret talents to go to the next level. 414 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: And as more of these coaches kind of settle in 415 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: in this new era, it is going to be really 416 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: important that you get to know your players. And once 417 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: you develop that bond and that trust between look player 418 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: of the coach, that's when the teams have an opportunity 419 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: to go from good to great. So so much of 420 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: the fear about NIL and portal and all that stuff 421 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 3: is like, these guys are gonna come and go. 422 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe not when you. 423 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: Really build a relationship and make it more than just 424 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 3: a transactional thing. I think the thing we always talk 425 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: about transformative relationships as opposed to transactional relationships, those are 426 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 3: gonna be the teams that are always at the top 427 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: of the run because people know that it's more than 428 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: just a business transaction in terms of the NIL, it's 429 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 3: really about helping them become better players and better people, 430 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 3: and then you're gonna get the better team. 431 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 432 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: No, it's a good point. I think that's again coaches 433 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: with all the roles that they have to play here 434 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: in terms of bringing more talent. But then now retention 435 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: is a major is a major challenge, So you know, 436 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: there is the relational part of that, no doubt. But 437 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: I just feel like we're going to get into these games. 438 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: There's going to be some tight games, especially those two conferences. 439 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: When you look at the SEC and the Big Ten, 440 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: it is a battle royale every single week in those 441 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: two conferences, and I think you're going to find yourself 442 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: in a lot of close games, and coaching is going 443 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: to be an x factor late in these ball games, 444 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: I think, more so than in recent memory, where it 445 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: feels like every team had three games on their schedule. 446 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you're one of those handful of teams 447 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: competing for a national championship, you got three games of 448 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: teams that can challenge you. The rest of it, you 449 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: just kind of put your head down and plow through it, 450 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: you know. Now, I feel like that number has increased 451 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: with the realignment. 452 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly has increased. 453 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: And I'm looking forward to this expanding because one it 454 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: kind of reminds me of how high school football there 455 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 3: is when you have the expanded playoff field and we 456 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: may know who the teams are going to be in 457 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: the end, but I do like the added challenge of 458 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 3: having to run the gauntlet, you know, before when you 459 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: just have four teams the semifinals and finals. Now you 460 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: expand it out, you have the round twelve and you 461 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: have the quarter finals, semis or whatever like. 462 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: You got to bring your game. 463 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: And we have seen crazy things happen on a given 464 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: weekend where like top teams getting knocked off, and it 465 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: may not seem to be something that is plausible given 466 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: the separation between the teams at the top, but I 467 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: think this is gonna be a really good playoff for 468 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: us because we are going to see teams have to 469 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 3: run the game and they're gonna have to be consistent 470 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: when it comes to the level of excellence to be 471 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: able to kind of hoist the trophy. 472 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: No doubt. 473 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: All right, let's take quick break when we come back. 474 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: I read this book Hidden Potential by Adam Grant, who's 475 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: a phenomenal, phenomenal writer. Think Again was a great book. 476 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: I think we discussed that on here before, but this 477 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: one had some thoughts on it and wanted to jump 478 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: into it with you, Buck and how we can relate 479 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: this to football. 480 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: So we'll do that right after this break. 481 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, Hidden Potential. A couple of notes I 482 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: took on here. 483 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: First. 484 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 1: One This was a quote that's a great quote from 485 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin. I'm sure you've heard it before, but I 486 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: wrote it down because I thought it's very valuable in 487 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: life as well as you can talk about it in football. 488 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. 489 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: I thought that is a great, great line, and it's 490 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: think about it. Obviously in your physical health, you can 491 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: think about it from that standpoint, but even going beyond that, 492 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: I think of I was just thinking of like situational football. 493 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: Think about like go back to those Patriot teams and 494 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick preparing for that one situation that you might 495 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: not get for three years, four years, five years, but 496 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: having covered it and continuing to cover it, that little 497 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: ounce of prevention is going to be worth a pound 498 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: of cure when you're sitting up there in the press 499 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: conference after the game and going, man, you weren't prepared 500 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: for that. 501 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: Huh No. 502 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: They are literally prepared for everything. 503 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 504 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: Preparation is everything, and it takes away a lot of 505 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 3: the anxiety when you're able to kind of rehearse the 506 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: situations that you know and eavily are going to come. 507 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: And good coaches have the ability to kind of see 508 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: ahead and see what's around the corner and make sure 509 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: their teams are prepared for that. When you think about 510 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: the great teams you talked about Bill Belichick in the pages, 511 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: think Nick Saban and how Alabama has been able to 512 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: do those things ahead of time. Where you know, like 513 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: what I say, practice performance ends up becoming game reality. 514 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: I've heard that thrown out a couple times. 515 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: And how you practice, what you do in practice, how 516 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: you prepare your team to get ready to play in 517 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 3: practice really manifest itself in how your team performs in 518 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: those key moments. And you know, just being able to 519 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: really diligently prepare your team for the situations that they're 520 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: going to face, it really ups to odds that they 521 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: can't perform well when they see those situations. 522 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: No doubt. 523 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: I'll roll through a couple more thoughts on this thing here. 524 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: I talked about how the goal shouldn't shouldn't be to 525 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: be the smartest guy in the room. The goal should 526 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: be to have the make the entire rooms smart. So, 527 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: in other words, like you want to challenge yourself, you 528 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: want to hire as many smart. 529 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: People and good thinkers as you can. 530 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: And we think about this from a baseball front office 531 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: standpoint where they have a more flatline structure right where 532 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: there's a handful five seven guys kind of in their 533 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: leadership team making decisions and putting plans in place, versus 534 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: maybe more of a pyramid setup that we've had in 535 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: the NFL forever where it's the general manager and then 536 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: it kind of trickles down underneath them. This talked about 537 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: a lot and hidden potential in this book about bringing 538 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: the smartest people together and collectively making decisions. And along 539 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: those lines, Buck he kind of poop pooed on brainstorming 540 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: that basically they said that's been proven to be ineffective. 541 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: They've done all these studies on it. Brainstorming doesn't work, 542 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: so he said in brain instead of brainstorming, he talked 543 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: about brain writing. So and ask everyone for ideas in 544 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: the room, but don't have them speak up in the room. 545 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: Have him write them down without saying who wrote it. 546 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: You go through and discuss each of the ideas and 547 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: kind of judge and vet them out on their own 548 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: without anybody else having to lobby for it. Because it's 549 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: that introverts would get drowned in that environment, whereas the extrovert, 550 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: the big personality, would take over the room and then 551 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: his opinion would get adopted. So it was brain writing 552 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: over brainstorming, which I thought, think about that from a 553 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: game plan standpoint or getting ready for an opponent. What 554 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: a smart way to look at that. 555 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, smart way to look at it. 556 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 3: And I don't know if you had an opportunity to 557 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: look at the latest version of Hard Knocks where they 558 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: having the New York Johants and they're doing the off 559 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: season stuff, and so what they've done is they've kind 560 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: of gone behind the scenes and kind of pulled back 561 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 3: the curtain on how front offices work during the off 562 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: season when it comes to player acquisition, whether it's free agents, 563 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: talking about your own team and those things. And so 564 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: there have been some instances that they've shown on camera where, look, 565 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: Joe Shane, who's a buddy of you and I, they've 566 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: had these kind of think tank sessions over players and 567 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: those things. 568 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: And the reaction on the outside is like, oh my god, they. 569 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: Shouldn't release this to the public because now, YadA, YadA, YadA, 570 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: people going to be judged on those opinions that happen 571 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: behind closed doors. But I'm saying no, I think the 572 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 3: public needs to understand how people come about these decisions 573 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: and how you have the conversations. How hard it is 574 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 3: to have conversations when you're scouting. You may be the 575 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: lone wolf when it comes to a dissenting voice in 576 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: terms of how the team should go, how a team 577 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: views a player, et cetera, etc. 578 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: But that's part of what a scout does. 579 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 3: My job is to raise it up, to be bold 580 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: enough to say, hey, I may not see this like 581 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 3: the rest of the guys, but can we at least 582 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 3: have a discussion. And in that discussion what happens is 583 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 3: either you confirm the group thought or you make us 584 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: at least have to scrimmage it out before we move forward. 585 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: And great organizations they have that policy where we say, 586 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 3: hey man, all of this is business, is never personal. 587 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: So if we have these hard conversations, just know it's business. 588 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: It's for us to get it right as a team 589 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 3: going forward. 590 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: So I love what you talk about. 591 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: Not necessarily brainstorming, because the introvert gets drowned out in that, 592 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: but hey, let's have the discussion so we can just 593 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: make sure that we're doing what's best for the group 594 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: before we move forward. And it's not a dictatorship, not 595 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: quite a democracy, but it's one of those things where 596 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: everyone gives their opinion and then we go forward and 597 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: once the opinion is made, as a group, we support 598 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 3: the opinion. 599 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: So but here would be my reaction to that book. 600 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: So after reading this book, my thought, and I haven't 601 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: seen the show yet, but I've seen that clip, the 602 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: clip that's been tossed out there. I almost wonder and 603 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: this would be an experiment I would definitely do if 604 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: you're sitting in that chair, which is instead of hey, 605 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: at three o'clock, we're going to have a meeting with 606 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: the four or five of us to discuss Saquon Barkley 607 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: and what we feel like is the best course of action. 608 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: Instead of doing that, say hey, at three o'clock, we're 609 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: going to have a meeting with the five of us 610 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: discussing Saquon Barkley. I want each of you to send 611 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: me write out your opinion on this, what you think 612 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: are the pros and cons for signing or letting him go, 613 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: and then give me your opinion on what you would do. 614 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: And those have those five emails printed out, and then 615 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: when they come into the room, I would literally just 616 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: read through each one, not saying whose it was this 617 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: makes sense. Now I've got your real opinion. I'm not 618 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: worried about you coming in there with an opinion on 619 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: this track and then listening to where the room's going 620 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now your opinion maybe slants 621 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: in the other direction. I think you get more of 622 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: an authentic opinion in that case. 623 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: So I agree with you on that. 624 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 3: And so maybe I said it wrong in terms of 625 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 3: scrimmaging out and thinking because now and listening back to 626 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: what I said. What I said fell in line more 627 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: with brainstorming as opposed to brain writing. But you right, Yeah, 628 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: if you do have people write it before the conversation 629 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: is started. 630 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: You get admitted your pot committed now like there's no 631 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: wavering and wishing and washing like you are. 632 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: You get it. Put it off here, you get a 633 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: true thing. 634 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 3: And not only that, DJ, but if you do it 635 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: and where everyone has all five hard copies of the opinion, 636 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: so everyone is reading what he said, we all can 637 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: see it. 638 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: It makes sense. Oh yeah, like that that makes more 639 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: sense than what I wrote. Okay, I didn't think that 640 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: or whatever. 641 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 3: And ultimately, because it is hard, it is hard in 642 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: the room being the dissenting voice just like I would 643 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: say it is hard, and I will say this is 644 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: before hot take culture when it comes to media scouting, 645 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: where people make opinions to create like a sensationalized view, 646 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: but like giving your real opinion on a player and. 647 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: Being okay with that opinion being different. 648 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: That is hard if you're doing it with what I 649 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: call pure intentions, not trying to get clicks, but like 650 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: pure intend's like hey, DJ, I just don't see him 651 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: like you see him. This is how I see the player, 652 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: this and that, and it would be like you and 653 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: I prepping for the show, but me not telling you 654 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: what is going on. 655 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: I need better TV. When that happens, by the way, 656 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: it's one of my pets, and. 657 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: Then we light it up and we're like, hey, man, guys, 658 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: we're talking about Queen yours today. And then that's the 659 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 3: first time that I've heard your take, first time you've 660 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: heard my take, and now we have a real conversation, 661 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, as opposed to, hey, you're gonna take the 662 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: pro I was. 663 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: Gonna say this and then okay you're going to do that. 664 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: That's the worst kind of TV in my opinion. 665 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like from a thought provoking standpoint, you're right, 666 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: Like if you don't, if you don't put it out 667 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: there where you give people the chance to be swayed 668 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: by the room, you now get more of a pure 669 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: conversation when it comes to what I really think about 670 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 3: a player, a situation. 671 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Two other thoughts on here, and I've got a bunch 672 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: more notes, but we won't go into the whole book. 673 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: You can read it. It's a great it's a great book. 674 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: You'll love it, Buck. But this was an interesting one. 675 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: Talk to it. 676 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: It was talking about like employment and hiring people, and 677 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: it said an interesting study that they'd done was that 678 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: they had learned that grade point trajectory was more important 679 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: than grade point average. In other words, how did you 680 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: improve over your four years as a And they were 681 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: looking at it as a student. But think about that. 682 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it again as it relates to 683 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: the draft. So remember when we said, you know, man, 684 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: the West Coast Scouts could never get on board with 685 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels last year because they remembered the Arizona State version. 686 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: They didn't allow for the growth that took place as 687 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: he's at LSU. And then we talked about bo Nicks, 688 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: the guys in the South could not They could never 689 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: get over Auburn bo Nix. But this is saying like, basically, 690 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: it's more it's more predictive if you're looking at the 691 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: guys that are climbing, versus giving a cumulative grade and 692 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: punishing you from sins of the past where you might 693 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 1: have learned from that. And I just thought that was 694 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: a that was a fascinating way to look at it. 695 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: And the other way that he talked about some of 696 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: these things is. 697 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: The key isn't. 698 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: The degree of adversity you've faced, but it's how you've 699 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: responded to whatever adversity you've had. So somebody might have 700 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: had a really awful story, right, and then they've come 701 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: out of that that's great. You don't get extra bonus 702 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: points for that versus somebody maybe had smaller adversity. But 703 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: still it's they dealt with things the same way, They 704 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: overcame things the same way. But we've always talked about that, right, 705 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: hardship When we interview these players, I want to know 706 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: what your hardship is, how you've overcome things, what's your 707 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 1: process for dealing with failure, for dealing with hard times? 708 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: I think those are you know, looking at the climb 709 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: and then looking at how you've dealt with the setbacks 710 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: along the way. I think those are key components and 711 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: an evaluation key components. 712 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: So to go back one to trajectory. 713 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: I think too often when it comes to evaluating players, 714 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: we either have a little recency bias based on the 715 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 3: last year as opposed to what we should do is 716 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 3: look at the entire body of work. And as we 717 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: look at the entire body work, and we talked about 718 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 3: that graph a, are they trending up? You may have 719 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 3: a dip, but do they bounce back up and finished 720 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: the right way? To me, that is important. And it 721 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 3: goes to Jaden Daniels and bo Nicks. How they started 722 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: was not like how they finished. They finished much better 723 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 3: than they started at their respective spots. The other part 724 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: of it, man, I want guys to have a couple 725 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 3: of scuffs. I think too often when it comes to 726 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 3: the evaluation process, we're looking for the perfect prospect, guy 727 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 3: who has never struggled or and all have done this. 728 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 3: We're pointing to a few bad games. Oh my god, 729 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 3: did you see Kyler Williams against Notre Dame. Man, he's struggled. 730 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 3: He had all these interceptions and YadA, YadA, YadA. Well, yeah, 731 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: I kind of want to see what he looks like 732 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: in that, because I not only want to see what 733 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: he's like the next drive. How was he the next game? 734 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: How is he the next game? After he throws three 735 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 3: interceptions and has a fumble? Does he bounce back or 736 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 3: does he play it safe? Because it's going to happen 737 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: in our league. You're gonna have bad games, and I 738 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: need to know on the front end, does your respond 739 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: Does he have the toughness to resolve, to be able 740 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,239 Speaker 3: to bounce back from a slump, or hey man, as 741 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: long as it's perfect, he's great. As soon as he 742 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: throws one early, he's terrible. To me, that is a 743 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 3: true sense of who this player is, and it has 744 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: little to do with the talent, has more to do 745 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 3: with the toughness and how he's built. 746 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 747 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: No, I think that's a great point. And now that 748 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: you've brought that up, I want to pull this up. 749 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: Hold on one second here, now, I'm just curious right 750 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: talking about Kayleb Williams. Let's uh, let's go back and 751 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm pulling up his game log. 752 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: So notre dame. 753 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: We all we all said, you know, and everybody knew 754 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: was this brutal game for him? He had three picks. 755 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: That was on ten fourteen. The next week he came 756 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: back against Utah who was number fourteen. They lost a 757 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: heartbreaker thirty four to thirty two. He was twenty four 758 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: thirty four two fifty six seventy percent. 759 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 2: Uh. 760 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: He had ten carries twenty seven yards and a touchdown. 761 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: So that was a solid game. They scored thirty two points. 762 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: But you know, it was a good game, but not 763 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: necessarily a monster game that he had there, So interesting 764 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: to kind of look at that. It's just, hey, in 765 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: the moment exercise, how did you respond to your your 766 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: greatest test, your biggest adversity? 767 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: Good? 768 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: Not great, to be totally honest with the other. So 769 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting kind of look, that's an interesting thing to 770 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: do in evaluation process. I'm gonna make a note on that, Like, 771 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: instead of just identifying what the worst game was, watching it, 772 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: what can you learn from it? Maybe there's something to Okay, 773 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: put that to the side, let's look. 774 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: At the next game. What did the next game look like? 775 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the other thing would be how did 776 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 3: they respond after a critical error? So like, as we're 777 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 3: tracking an individual game player throws an interception, Let's track 778 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 3: his next ten throws one. How did he attack? Did 779 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 3: he start throwing everything at the line of scrimmage? Did 780 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: he push the ball down the field? Did he have 781 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 3: the building to stream together completions after the interception? How 782 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 3: did he approach it? Because we talk about DJ what 783 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 3: if I throw an interception the first player of the game. 784 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: Now do I play the rest of it in safe mode? 785 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 3: I'm scared to challenge the defense or do I continue 786 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 3: to rip it and let it go. We're trying to 787 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 3: find predictive behaviors so we can project how a player 788 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 3: is going to be at the next level, and some 789 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 3: of the information that described from the book allows us 790 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 3: to start putting together patterns to help us better assess 791 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: how these players can perform at the next level. No doubt, 792 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 3: last one here and we'll finish this up. But uh, 793 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 3: you know, you've heard obviously about imposter syndrome. I think 794 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 3: it's a real thing, and I think it's fascinating. We've 795 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 3: heard about the growth mindset. We've talked about that a 796 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: bunch of in the past. Connecting those two things I 797 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 3: thought was really interesting in this book, just the way 798 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: you phrase, it was so great. Imposter syndrome says I 799 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 3: don't know what I'm doing and it's only a matter 800 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 3: of time before they figure it out. Growth mindset says 801 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm doing yet it's only a 802 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 3: matter of time before I figure it out. And I thought, man, 803 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 3: what a great what a great connection between those two viewpoints, right, 804 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 3: because we've all been there, We've all thought, man, this 805 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 3: is an area where I'm not comfortable and I'm going 806 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: to be found out that I you know that I 807 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 3: don't know what I'm doing, versus flipping that mindset and saying, hey, 808 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 3: this is a new situation, a new environment. I don't 809 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 3: really know what I'm doing, but darn it, I'm gonna 810 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep grinding and now I'm gonna figure it out. 811 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: It's only a matter of time, yeah, J. And so 812 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: much of life is about that. 813 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 3: It's about learning when to pivot, understanding Okay, look I 814 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 3: may get knocked down a little bit, but I'll continue 815 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 3: to figure it out. But a lot of it is 816 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: your approach and it's your your mentality. People going need 817 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 3: to be positive or negative about every situation that they encounter, 818 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 3: and if you're positive, you will go about like, oh, 819 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 3: you know, every failure brings me one step closer to 820 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 3: being a success because it shows me a way that 821 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: I shouldn't do it, So that means I'm one step 822 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 3: closer to finding out a way that I should do it. 823 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: And you have the courage to be. 824 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 3: Able to hang in there long enough until you crack 825 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 3: the code. A lot of people don't have the resilience 826 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 3: and they don't have the stamina to continue to stick 827 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 3: with things until they figure it out. 828 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's interesting. 829 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: It's just a lot of different layers to that book. 830 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 2: But I thought you would enjoy it. 831 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this again, check it out Hidden Potential, 832 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: awesome book. Really enjoyed it, Buck. We are out of time. Man, 833 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: it's been a great it's been a great one today. 834 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed it. We've got a couple more. I 835 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: think we are on a three week schedule now, so 836 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: we'll have plenty more pods coming and we'll get back 837 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: into the NFL. Yeah, Nobe, you'll just confirm three a 838 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: week we're going with, so we'll have more NFL talk 839 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: as we move forward. But today I just wanted to 840 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: focus on some of those college topics as well as 841 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: it's just fun. 842 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 2: I love. 843 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: We both love to read, so whenever we find something 844 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: that we've read that interests us, I think it always 845 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: makes for a fun conversation. 846 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a great conversation. And I think that 847 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 3: growth mindset that you had, Man, you never know at all. 848 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 3: There's always an opportunity for you to grow and get 849 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 3: better in whatever field that you're working in. And so 850 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 3: I'm excited that we had a chance to discuss that 851 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 3: book because I certainly came away with some things that 852 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: can help me going forward, no doubt. 853 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: All Right, that's going to do it for us. So 854 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed this conversation. Appreciate all 855 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: your support. Appreciate you subscribing, leaving us those reviews. We 856 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: really do appreciate it. We'll see you next time right 857 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: here on Movi stick 858 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 3: Before