WEBVTT - This Land is My Land 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:07.200 Yeah, yes, Waiting reparation. You're listening to Waiting Our Reparations 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.000 A production of I Heart Radio. Hey this finished Watching 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.680 the debate between Trump and Biden. Both of these niggas 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.000 is hiding behind they lie in. It's obvious. One of 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.000 them is getting high when he's sweating on stage, like 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.479 he's shooting in his diapers. Y. I haven't seen it 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.760 in my life, certain, but it's okay because come November, 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.200 I'll get in that boat moving up. Remember, he thinks 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.440 America's great and it'll get greater. That's why he's on stage. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.400 Sounded like a dictator. His text came out. He can't 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.880 making big paper, trying to help Wall Street take what 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.400 they can get later. If you was watching, be afraid 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.920 of it all. If we talk civilization, it's the way 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.560 that it falls. When it comes to November, be ready 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.200 to brawl because they want the course. Tips Scale making 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.720 a call. So they talked about the Supreme Court and 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.360 then some climate change. I saw the nigga flying into 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.600 the blindest rage. Might need to rewind the frame because 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.120 these niggas, it's like twice my age, twice the age. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.200 You better make it a triple. When these niggas was 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.680 kids candies costing the nickel. We found ourselves in one 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:09.600 hell of a pickle. This is why I don't be 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:16.880 trusting these public officials. Ship my name is Dope Knife 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:24.279 Franca waiting, hurry up. Well, I'm a little shell shocked, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.320 to be completely honest with everybody. We just we just 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.000 just finished watching the debate. Yeah, we pulled out the 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.360 laptops and we poured a couple of glasses of wine 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.039 and twisted up something. Well, I twisted up something and 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:43.400 we watched the debate and that was fucking nuts. Heyo, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:49.640 Chris Wallace is fired. My homies sent me. He was like, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.720 what if Chris Wallace at some point had just been like, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.960 so for the background, Chris Wallace did a terrible job 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.600 moderating the debate, just let Trump talk over him whole time. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:05.120 It didn't really like help him or enforce him adhering 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.480 to the guidelines, to the guards, to respecting the two 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.120 minutes each candidate would give it into. My homie sent me. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:16.959 He text was that he was like, what if Chris 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:21.040 Wallace had just been like would you shut the funk 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.480 up for a goddamn minute, to which I responded, I 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:29.400 would find Chris Wallace's home address and anonymously send this 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:35.640 motherfucking nudes well as a reward for doing his duty 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.839 of keeping that ship and check because I just devolved 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.240 into Toddler's bickering. I mean, I don't want to get 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.280 I don't want to get a tinfoil hat ship. But 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.399 I wouldn't be shocked if the point was for him 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.560 to let Trump go on and ramble like that. I mean, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.360 there was barely any substance, and I mean it was 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.280 it was pretty much dictated by Trump that there wasn't 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.880 gonna be any substance in the debate. He wasn't. I mean, 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.440 at this point, I think anybody who is talking to 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.480 you or pretending that Trump is in control of the 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:16.400 facts of any situation or speaks with any substance or 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.560 authority on anything, I don't know. I think you got 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.880 a question what that person's motivation is or how smart 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.400 that person is. It doesn't mean Joe Biden one, It 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.160 doesn't mean Joe Biden lost. I don't think that given 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.800 what was going down, I don't think that there was 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.680 anything to win as far as Joe Biden is concerned. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.720 It was just a ship show. Yeah. So they covered 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.200 climate change, which I was pleased that they did. Uh. 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.560 They talked about law and order, which you know, it's 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.760 in regards to the protests that I'm taking place all 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.520 across the country for the last five months. COVID was 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.440 a big topic. I thought COVID was a spot where 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.800 Joe Biden was shining a little bit. But they did 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.600 cover reparations at although they did not but you know 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.760 who he is going to cover reparations, Well, that would 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.720 be us, of course. So today we're finally getting around 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.040 to the topic that we've been waiting on, reparations. This 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.920 will be first in imaginatively many episodes on the topic, 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.560 but today we're particularly looking at our huments reparations grounded 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.240 in the history of land policy in the States, and 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.000 speaking with Ja Corey Arthur, hip hop artist and city 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.280 council and elect in the city of Louisville about reparations 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:43.880 in a black agenda for local governments. Yes, yes, yes, 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.000 we feel we're owed for the labor that was stolen 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.520 from our ancestors. And you know, we'll get into the 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.720 dollars and cents and of how much might be owed 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.280 and what redistribution could look like in a later episode, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.839 but less well known than this, theft is the way 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.040 that the wealth we have man is to accumulate has 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.880 been pilfered again and again, never since. It's important that 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:09.320 people understand how that ship contributed and led to the 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.839 racial wealth inequality that we see today. This link is 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:17.719 one that Tatnesee Codes also makes in his landmark case 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.200 for Reparations in Atlantic in two thousand and fourteen, a 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.560 timeless read if you haven't checked it out. Yeah, by 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:27.960 the way, Coats talks about sharecropping, debt pionage, about voter intimidation. Yeah, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.160 But what stands out to the piece for me at least, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.320 is the synthesis of the research on the various kinds 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.000 of land that perpetrated against former slaves in their progeny. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.360 Coats makes note of an eighteen month investigation undertaken by 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.400 the Associated Press, involving interviews with more than a thousand 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.480 people and examination of tens of thousands of public records, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.359 all weeks together to document theft of black land across 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.440 the Eras, stretching all the way back from the Antebellum period. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.360 Their work uncovered over four victims and twenty four thousand 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.360 acres of land value to the tens of millions of dollars, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.680 all stolen through mechanisms as elegant as legal trickery, and 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.839 those is blunt as cold blooded murder. So, for example, 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.640 on October four, fifty hooded white men surrounded the home 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.719 of David Walker, a black farmer in Hickman, Kentucky, and 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.240 ordered him to come out for a whipping. Walker refused 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.360 and said fire to the hooded men, who then said 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.840 fire to his house. According to accounts of newspapers at 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.640 the time that resided in the Los Angeles Times article 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.440 on the Apes research, Walker ran out, allowed by his 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.680 four children, and his wife put their baby in her arms. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.320 All of them were shot by the mob. Three children 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.240 were wounded, Walker, his wife, and two of his children died, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:44.599 including one who burned to death inside the house. No 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.159 one was ever charged with the killings. The records revealed 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.520 at Walker's two and a half acre farm was simply 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.440 merged with the property of the white neighbor, who sold 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.279 it off to another man shortly after. The second man's 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.240 daughter still owns the land today. So yeah, sometimes it's 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.920 violent vigilantes, and sometimes the current bureaucracy of the state. 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.960 For example, in nineteen sixty four, The l A Times 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.120 reports the state of Alabama suit cousins Lemon Williams and 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.040 Laurence Hudson, litigating that they had no right to their 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.200 to forty acre farms and Sweetwater, Alabama. The land, officials 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.360 argued was property of the state. A judge very simply 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.360 ordered them off the land and there was nothing they 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.320 could do about it, despite the fact that years later, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.080 in the Apies investigation, it was found that deeds and 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.720 tax records clearly proved that the family had owned the 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.120 land for almost a century. So how does that sort 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.160 of ship have Like what's an example of that today? 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.720 I mean, we'll we'll talk about this in a second, 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:46.480 but eminent domain has historically been a means through which 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:51.080 governments have seized lands belonging to black folks and then 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.080 you know, um, particularly in the era of urban renewal, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.920 and remains untold to this day, though I haven't seen 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.160 a particular dot commentation of ways it could be used 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:08.720 like in a racially oppressive manner to date. Like, I mean, 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.760 I wouldn't doubt if it's still going on. I mean, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.200 obviously it's not as like overt as hooded men showing 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.200 up in trade. No, And I would love if we 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.680 utilize like imminente dummain to like seize all the hotels 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.239 that are empty right now and give them the homeless people. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:28.200 Ship like that, to like redistribute wealth and resources in 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:33.599 a decidedly anti racist, anti class this way. But you 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:39.199 like typically it's always to just downtrod already downtrodden and 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:44.400 Killer Mike's song Reagan Mike says, we all talk having greens, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.400 but not on the bus. Don't make the bus. We 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.280 different would feed that people when that people need to eat. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.840 This is seemingly decrying the lack of agricultural knowledge and 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.800 land stewardship in the black community, but the fact is 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.720 that violence, both mob induced and state initiated, have forcefully 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.680 driven down our ability to provide for ourselves tending to 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.560 the land ever since the days we have to do 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.760 so by force of others. While general farm ownership has 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:14.480 declined broadly since the Industrial Revolution, is agribusiness becomes concentrated 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.559 and fewer and fewer hands, black ownership has declined two 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.079 and a half times faster than white ownership, according to 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:24.400 a federal report in two and this land staff. It's 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.520 not a uniquely Southern phenomenon, nor is it confined to 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.160 lands tended to Black folks. For agriculture. Owning a family 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.640 home has always been a practical way to build well 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.679 be as the family goes equity in their home through 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.400 monthday mortgage payments and the home appreciates and value, then 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.439 you are able to borrow against the equity in their 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.360 home for their needs, or even sell the home at 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.240 a profit. But they're looking at cash out. Not so 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.400 much for African descendens of slaves, though, as Coats lays 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.000 bear in his discussion of the fight for Black homeownership 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.440 in Chicago. From the nineteen thirties to the nineteen sixties, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.080 black folks across America were largely shut out of the 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.720 legit mortgage market, and folks in Chicago as a result, 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.200 turned to buying homes on contract, a predatory scheme that 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.520 made them responsible for over inflated monthly housing costs as 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.640 if they were renters, but then also paying for the 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.880 upkeep of the place itself as if they were owners. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.920 In a contract sale, the settler kept the deed until 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.000 the contract was paid in full. So if a boiler 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.280 blue and a black tenant had to come up with 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.520 like five bucks to replace it and couldn't and in 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:29.280 turn couldn't afford to pay their monthly mortgage payment. The 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.920 seller with whom they made the contract could force them 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.440 to forfeit their deposit, all of their monthly payments, and 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.600 the property itself, evicting the family and selling the house 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.720 again at an inflated price to the next black family 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.360 looking for the American dream. This happened over and over again, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.240 as reported in the Chicago News Stately, and I don't 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.280 want to get too off topic, but this just kind 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.560 of reminded me, And it's just like something that they 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.840 didn't bring up. They didn't talk at all about the 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.200 eviction crisis, what's going on right now? No, I feel 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.880 like they barely touched on just the like how do 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.479 you get the economy to recover from our current procession. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.920 I don't blame Biden for that, No, that was totally 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:17.040 a moderator moderator And obviously, yeah, it's like it's not 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.840 even that the questions were necessarily all bad. I mean, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.680 obviously the whole linking of race and violence is some bullshit, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.800 But I just felt there was no control to that ship, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.920 so important things like all the tens of thousands of 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.440 people like facing eviction right now in the middle of 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.679 a pandemic, and stuff like that doesn't get brought up. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.439 I'm sorry, I took it off topic, and I think 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.559 it's really interesting how, Yeah, the questions they choose frame 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:48.160 like what policies are viable like period, And so the 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.320 fact that they don't even bring up because I found 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:57.000 myself as a reluctant, you know, potential Biden voter, reassured 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:01.640 by a lot of bidens like stridency and like steady 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.120 handedness throughout the debate. But I think that speaks more 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.920 to the way that the moderator's questions frame what viable 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:14.640 policies are that it does like the breadth of the 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:20.640 candidates policy knowledge and in political will encourage Uh. In 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.800 the first place, it's like, oh, within the scope of 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.960 what they're talking about, this seems reasonable when it's like I, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.560 you know, I want a fucking green new deal, I 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.760 want a fucking mortgage and cancelation. You know, these are 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.440 the things that I want and have been fighting for, uh, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.440 you know, through the limited powers I have as a 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.679 local legislator. And because they don't even get brought up. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.120 It's like almost like a form of brainwashing or through 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.080 watching and accepting the framing of these questions, like we 0:12:54.240 --> 0:13:00.600 get sort of it's manufacturing consent. Yeah now, um okay, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.880 back back to Yeah, you ended it on black families 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.400 getting evicted, So why the funk wouldn't they just get 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.679 a normal mortgage. Well it wasn't so simple. While white 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.840 homeowners themselves use every trick in the book, from restrictive 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.600 covenants governing who could buy a house and from whom 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.760 to straight up terrorists ship the government did their part too. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.000 Congress created the Federal House and Administration in nine four 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.400 to ensure private mortgages, causing a drop in interest rates 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.400 and a decline in the size of the down payment 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.040 required to buy a house, and lowering barriers and access 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.360 to homeownership for many whites. However, the f h A 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.840 also made us to the system of maps that rated 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:40.120 neighborhoods according to their perceived stability. Green colored A rated 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:44.040 areas on the map indicated neighborhoods and high demand, that is, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.840 one to praise it put it lacked a single foreigner 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.720 or negro. These were neighborhoods considered excellent prospects for insurance. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.600 Neighborhoods where black people lived were rated d and drawn 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.599 in red and were usually considered ineligible for f h 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.920 A backing because they were called in red. That gave 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.800 birth the term redlining that is come to be widely 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.280 known as a racist practice with regards to mortgage lending. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.960 As practice of redlining declaring neighborhoods with black people live 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.959 it's ineligible for mortgages spread to the already racist mortgage 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:22.240 industry as a whole. Since the f and private lenders 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.680 wouldn't approve mortgages for properties owned by blacks either, black 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:30.400 homeowners and communities couldn't sell their houses, so the homes 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.800 essentially became worthless, and so by these means, blacks works 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.600 sloded from the greatest mass based opportunity for wealth accumulation 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.520 in American history. Allow the tales of having built the 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.160 country with our labor and that paid different the wide 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.200 net of housing practices that have taken place, from mortgage 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:55.880 lending policies to rental applications to the like violent physical 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:01.400 theft of land by white vigilante mobs in earlier areas 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.200 like it's all tied together in a way that black 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:08.560 folks have been dispossessed of wealth we've endeavored to create 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:13.920 against all odds across the decades, and it creates like 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.800 a secondary argument for reparations. Not only the laborer that 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.000 was stolen to create the wealth of this country has 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.720 benefited from the labor that this government and and uh 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:30.000 white people, you know, white supremacists have stolen from us 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.720 over and over again as we've attempted to climb. And 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.040 not only that, but with urban renewal, many of these 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.280 black communities were erased as federal governments flushed local ones 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.680 with cash to clear slums and invest in public projects. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.200 So it's a precursor to urban renewal. But something that 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.840 operator in a very similar fashion is when the US 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.320 seized land belonged to the sp family in Vera Beach, Florida, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.840 your eminent domain to build an air field. I believe 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.640 in the nineteen forties, sps were awarded thirteen thousand dollars 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:09.400 for the seven acres, which included thirty acres of fruit grove, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:14.280 two houses, forty house lots, which amounted to that thirteen 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.040 thousand sum that they were paid amounted to one six 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.880 of the price per acre that the Navy paid white 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.680 neighbors for similar lands with a fewer improvements. After the 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.480 Second World War, the Navy turned over the airfield to 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.760 the city of Vero Beach, ignoring the SPS plea to 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.000 buy back their land. The city sold part of fifteen 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.040 hundred dollars an acre to the Los Angeles Dodgers for 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:42.080 nineteen sixty five spring training facility. And in that former 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.680 Navy land, sixty of which once belonging to the SPS, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:51.360 was now worth more than six million dollars. And we've 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.440 seen that here locally to a fighter recently engaged in 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.960 Here in Athens is for justice and reparations for the 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.640 community of London, to which is a black enclave that 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:07.119 existed um near the University of Georgia campus starting in 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:11.000 the nineteen hundreds and up until the nineteen sixties, where 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.840 working class black folks had scraped together enough money to 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:19.400 buy homes with the restrictive covenants that barred them from 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.000 buying properties at many white dominant neighborhoods, it was one 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.440 of the few places in town that they could settle. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.399 They built a community there, but under urban renewal, the 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.000 University of Georgia received money from the federal government and 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.879 support from the city government to essentially clear out and 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.800 demolish the neighborhood, paying the families a paltry some somewhere 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:47.160 from like fourteen hundred dollars for their homes and displacing 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.240 them into public housing because there was nowhere else happens 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.959 for them to live. They couldn't buy houses pretty much 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:57.159 anywhere else. This was in the nineteen sixties, and so 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.520 a lot of those children who watched the bull dozers 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.400 pull up and demolished the houses next door to them 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.880 while they played in their yards, and whose parents had 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.680 to pay rent to the University of Georgia to continue 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.640 to live in the houses that they owned Jesus when 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.480 they refused to move. Um, those children are still live 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.520 today and like asking for the government to make amends 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:25.960 for this conspiracy that they were complicit in back there, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.040 back in the nineteen sixties. And the mayor himself today 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.160 has noted that those houses, were they still standing today, 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:37.520 were they not demolished to create student dorms, would be 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.160 valued in the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.600 have not millions of dollars today, And then think of 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.240 the just think of like the ripple effect of having 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.399 that landsday where it was supposed to stay exactly thinking 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.439 about their students, of their their their children might have 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.880 actually been able to afford to go to the University 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.600 of Georgia and what they could have used the equity 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.320 in those homes to buy anything from opportunities for their 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.560 kids to participate in competitive sports or s a t 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.479 tutoring to college tuition or even something as simple as 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.840 like simple luxury. It's like a vacation, and those opportunities 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.159 were denied to them. They were given you know, you know, 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.040 a stack and told to get out force in the 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.119 public housing, which destroyed a lot of these families went 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.280 down with your fight. And so people took issue with 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.720 the fact that we called this an act of white 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:38.880 terrorism in the resolution that was presented. Uh, I think 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.560 in terms of diplomacy, folks felt Folks by folks, I 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.280 mean my fellow commissioners felt that that was really harsh 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.399 language that would like activate tensions between US and the 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.800 University of Georgia if we were to claim that this 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.560 was an act of white terrorism. And so as well, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.119 there were seven stories of the legality because in the 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.400 Georgia State Constitution, there is a clause preventing, folks. It's 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.320 called the caratuities clause, preventing local governments from just giving 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.399 money to people. So we wouldn't be able to just 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:12.320 give the money that's owed to the descended. That is 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.320 send a little bit broad creative than that. And so 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.200 what we did get out of that conversation was a 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:21.800 fucking task force. I'm so like the task forces, I 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.119 swear to God. I mean, how are you going to 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:30.840 get done if you don't have a force to do it. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:35.760 So a committee consistent of myself and a geographer and 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.399 many of the living descendants of Lyndon Town to figure 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.200 out what reparations looks like and within the bounds of law, 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.760 what could it what could it look like here? So 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.560 the so the fight is ongoing. I think, um, the 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.919 public battle for it has been one, but now the 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:59.280 more bureaucratic well, this is part of It's definitely the 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:05.000 most I guess mainstream that reparations has been discussed in 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.800 my lifetime personally. Yeah, I mean I think when Mary 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.920 and Williamson brought it up one of the first presidential 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.240 debates for the first time. Yeah, she's a major a 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:22.680 major party like had like really really yeah. I still 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:27.000 don't understand why we wait for Trump to be president 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:31.080 before we make it like as big an issue as 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.520 it is. Well, if Obama had brought it up, they 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.480 would have been like, oh you black and black. No, 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.120 I know, trust me, I know, and I understand all that. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.879 But it's just like we got open fascists trying to 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:51.080 implement a fucking dictatorship, coup and ship. I don't know. Yeah, 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.639 it's like they've controlled damn near all the government for 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.440 the last three years. It just feels weird that we're 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.919 trying to get Nazis to listen to us about REVERA 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.480 because they don't care at all. Well, I would argue 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.560 that half of the country who didn't vote last time, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:14.800 many of whom are African American, would be the target 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.160 audience of bringing that up now, and that's when we're 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:23.080 trying to build their like movement around socialism, et cetera. 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.520 As the left. Sorry, just purchased the microphone kind of 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:33.520 sucking drunk, get off my ass. Though, though the scope 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:39.400 of viable policy is constrained by these debates and constrained 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:42.679 by these candidates, I think that the left is very 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.920 much alive in this country and there's a lot of 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.919 room through things like the Gravelle Institute that has launched 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.240 this week. I saw that video that show was dope, 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.440 and through conversations on the shop floor and in our 0:22:55.480 --> 0:23:00.840 classrooms as you know, you know, as myself as an educator, 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:06.119 interfacing with young people to bring these these policies to 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:10.359 life and to bring them to relevance through connecting with 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:15.199 folks who are unlikely to engage civically at present, what 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:28.440 could if the government actually offered them something. Today we're 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:32.680 joined by Jacory Arthur, councilman elect for the Metro City 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.120 Council in Louisville, Kentucky, as well as a music educator 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.800 and artists. How are you today to Corey Oh? In 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.800 between fight and the fight and doing what's right, which 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.840 this is one and the same, definitely dealing with the 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.200 balances of people who are coming from places of ignorance 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.080 in our fight for justice and trying to teach as 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.040 much as I can, trying to educate so I can 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.440 eventually legislate. Yeah, So what does that educational process look 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.359 like for it with the public, Because as an elected 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:07.879 official myself, I find myself balancing between listening and trying 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:12.320 to legislating ways that represent the general public while also 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.600 using my platform to educate. So I wonder if what 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:20.000 that looks like in your own experience. Well, in movement, work, leadership, 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:24.280 and fellowship, you can communicate to the movement, you can 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.159 have the movement communicate to you, and you can have 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:32.479 the movement communicate with within themselves. When you have to 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:36.159 educate people about issues, it's important because sometimes they just 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:40.040 simply don't know or they're unaware of the seriousness. But 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.560 it's also important on the flip side for them to 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.520 communicate those issues with you. I have an upper hand 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:50.680