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Speaker 1: A production of I Heart Radio. Hey this finished Watching

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Speaker 1: the debate between Trump and Biden. Both of these niggas

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Speaker 1: is hiding behind they lie in. It's obvious. One of

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Speaker 1: he's shooting in his diapers. Y. I haven't seen it

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Speaker 1: in my life, certain, but it's okay because come November,

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Speaker 1: I'll get in that boat moving up. Remember, he thinks

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Speaker 1: America's great and it'll get greater. That's why he's on stage.

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Speaker 1: Sounded like a dictator. His text came out. He can't

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Speaker 1: making big paper, trying to help Wall Street take what

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Speaker 1: they can get later. If you was watching, be afraid

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Speaker 1: of it all. If we talk civilization, it's the way

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Speaker 1: that it falls. When it comes to November, be ready

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Speaker 1: to brawl because they want the course. Tips Scale making

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Speaker 1: a call. So they talked about the Supreme Court and

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Speaker 1: then some climate change. I saw the nigga flying into

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Speaker 1: the blindest rage. Might need to rewind the frame because

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Speaker 1: these niggas, it's like twice my age, twice the age.

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Speaker 1: You better make it a triple. When these niggas was

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Speaker 1: kids candies costing the nickel. We found ourselves in one

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Speaker 1: hell of a pickle. This is why I don't be

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Speaker 1: trusting these public officials. Ship my name is Dope Knife

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Speaker 1: Franca waiting, hurry up. Well, I'm a little shell shocked,

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Speaker 1: to be completely honest with everybody. We just we just

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Speaker 1: just finished watching the debate. Yeah, we pulled out the

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Speaker 1: and twisted up something. Well, I twisted up something and

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Speaker 1: we watched the debate and that was fucking nuts. Heyo,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wallace is fired. My homies sent me. He was like,

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Speaker 1: what if Chris Wallace at some point had just been like,

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Speaker 1: so for the background, Chris Wallace did a terrible job

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Speaker 1: moderating the debate, just let Trump talk over him whole time.

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Speaker 1: It didn't really like help him or enforce him adhering

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Speaker 1: to the guidelines, to the guards, to respecting the two

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Speaker 1: minutes each candidate would give it into. My homie sent me.

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Speaker 1: He text was that he was like, what if Chris

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Speaker 1: Wallace had just been like would you shut the funk

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Speaker 1: up for a goddamn minute, to which I responded, I

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Speaker 1: would find Chris Wallace's home address and anonymously send this

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Speaker 1: motherfucking nudes well as a reward for doing his duty

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Speaker 1: of keeping that ship and check because I just devolved

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Speaker 1: into Toddler's bickering. I mean, I don't want to get

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get a tinfoil hat ship. But

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if the point was for him

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Speaker 1: to let Trump go on and ramble like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was barely any substance, and I mean it was

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Speaker 1: at this point, I think anybody who is talking to

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Speaker 1: facts of any situation or speaks with any substance or

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Speaker 1: authority on anything, I don't know. I think you got

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Speaker 1: a question what that person's motivation is or how smart

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Speaker 1: that person is. It doesn't mean Joe Biden one, It

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean Joe Biden lost. I don't think that given

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Speaker 1: what was going down, I don't think that there was

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Speaker 1: It was just a ship show. Yeah. So they covered

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Speaker 1: climate change, which I was pleased that they did. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They talked about law and order, which you know, it's

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden was shining a little bit. But they did

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Speaker 1: cover reparations at although they did not but you know

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Speaker 1: who he is going to cover reparations, Well, that would

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Speaker 1: be us, of course. So today we're finally getting around

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Speaker 1: to the topic that we've been waiting on, reparations. This

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Speaker 1: will be first in imaginatively many episodes on the topic,

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Speaker 1: but today we're particularly looking at our huments reparations grounded

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Speaker 1: in the history of land policy in the States, and

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Speaker 1: speaking with Ja Corey Arthur, hip hop artist and city

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Speaker 1: council and elect in the city of Louisville about reparations

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Speaker 1: in a black agenda for local governments. Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: we feel we're owed for the labor that was stolen

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Speaker 1: one that Tatnesee Codes also makes in his landmark case

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Speaker 1: for Reparations in Atlantic in two thousand and fourteen, a

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Speaker 1: timeless read if you haven't checked it out. Yeah, by

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Speaker 1: the way, Coats talks about sharecropping, debt pionage, about voter intimidation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But what stands out to the piece for me at least,

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Speaker 1: of land that perpetrated against former slaves in their progeny.

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Speaker 1: Coats makes note of an eighteen month investigation undertaken by

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Speaker 1: Their work uncovered over four victims and twenty four thousand

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Speaker 1: Ship like that, to like redistribute wealth and resources in

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Speaker 1: like typically it's always to just downtrod already downtrodden and

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Speaker 1: This is seemingly decrying the lack of agricultural knowledge and

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Speaker 1: much for African descendens of slaves, though, as Coats lays

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Speaker 1: a moderator moderator And obviously, yeah, it's like it's not

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Speaker 1: even that the questions were necessarily all bad. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting how, Yeah, the questions they choose frame

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Speaker 1: you know, I want a fucking green new deal, I

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Speaker 1: in my city. I'm also known as Mr Arthur when

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Speaker 1: I travel to schools, community centers, boys and girls clubs,

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Speaker 1: teaching music, teaching life skills, teaching about black history. And

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Speaker 1: I'm also known as Professor Arthur Simmons College of Kentucky,

434
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Speaker 1: our city's HBCU, the first institution to allow higher education

435
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Speaker 1: for black people in this state. So between being Mr Arthur,

436
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: Professor Arthur twelve hundred Kory, that all kind of led

437
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: me to being known as Councilman Arthur here in the future,

438
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: because I travel to schools in my professional career and

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00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: I see the the disparity that exists and the differences

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00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: that exist from school to school, and I can't realize

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00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: that the bottom five schools, the lowest performing schools in

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Speaker 1: this state are in the west, that of Louisver, where

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00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: I am and I love so much and want to

444
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: serve so much, and they're all predominantly black, three quarters black.

445
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: I can't exist as only a teacher or only as

446
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: a musician who talks about these issues and teaches these issues.

447
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: I have to go from that educate to that legislat world.

448
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: If I truly want to impact these issues. So that's

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00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: why I decided to run. That's why I won. I

450
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: truly believe and here I am. I get inaugurated in

451
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Speaker 1: January to actually get in the office and do something

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Speaker 1: about all of these issues. Legally, did being a musician

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Speaker 1: impact your advocacy? Being a musician impacted my advocacy in

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Speaker 1: a number of ways, because not only did I bake

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Speaker 1: these issues into my music itself, but I also try

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Speaker 1: to bring along the rest of the bunch of people

457
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: who didn't necessarily feel as if they had an outlet

458
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Speaker 1: to speak about these issues through through music, through all arts.

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00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm also an arts organizer, So outside of me just

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00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: performing and composing and recording the music, I'm going to

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00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: organize around other artists and make sure that they are

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Speaker 1: a part of initiatives, make sure they have access to grants,

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Speaker 1: make sure they're not when I get access to funding,

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Speaker 1: I break it down and feed the whole block. I

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Speaker 1: very much so one that is willing to either come

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Speaker 1: out breaking even or come out in the red sometimes

467
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: just to make sure I'm feeding other people and helping

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00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: other people pay bills. That's more important to me than

469
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Speaker 1: my individual success, because my individual success is not equal

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Speaker 1: a collective uplift, and so many of our musicians in

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00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: the black community, they get successful when they make it,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they forget where they come from,

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Speaker 1: They forget the people on the bottom to help them

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Speaker 1: into the top. And they still referred to us in

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Speaker 1: their lyrics. They still talk about the struggles of living

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Speaker 1: in black ghettos. Uh. That comes out of their lips,

477
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: and then they turn around and talk about their rolexes

478
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: or their cars and being able to travel around the world.

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00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: It's almost kind of ironic that they put those lyrics

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Speaker 1: together because meanwhile, we still live at the bottom of

481
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: the society that we built, and they rapped the benefits

482
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: of all of our failure. So I was in a

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Speaker 1: position where I could teach about that in my music

484
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: as a as a teacher, as an artist, using artist

485
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: just simply a medium to teach those issues and also

486
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Speaker 1: do something about those issues, to organize and work. So

487
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about how musicianship has informed

488
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Speaker 1: your advocacy and perhaps even prepared you for public offers.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if there's any media framings that you

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Speaker 1: have to push back on as a hip hop artist

491
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: working in politics. And education, and it grew out of

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Speaker 1: UM having listened to an episode of Five Things with

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Speaker 1: You in which an interview I asked you if you

494
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Speaker 1: had both parents at home, and I wondered I heard that.

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00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I wonder, It's like, did she ask every interview with that,

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Speaker 1: and if not, why you? But I appreciated the way

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Speaker 1: that you clarified that you were raised by many people

498
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: at cousins other family as a means of pushing back

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Speaker 1: on dominant narratives about black families and asserting a positive

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Speaker 1: truth about how our communities work. So do you find that, uh,

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00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: there are other types of media framings that you have

502
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: to push back on UM. As a hip hop artist

503
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: working within politics and education. What I like to do

504
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: anytime talking with media, whether that's independent media, mainstream media,

505
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: or anyone in between, is to contextualize data. I don't

506
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: like to entertain stereotypes, because what that interviewer in the

507
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: podcast that you just referred to didn't contextualize is that

508
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: really all successful people are coming from a place of

509
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: being raised by a village white parents, white kids on

510
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: the East side of Louisville. You aren't just raised by

511
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Speaker 1: your two parents and then you go off to college

512
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: and you find some sort of success. You inherit wealth

513
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: from the people who existed before your parents, your grandparents

514
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: and great great great great great grandparents, and then your

515
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: school is a community that helps raise you. You have

516
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: families horizontally and vertically that contribute to you becoming a

517
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: civically engaged, successful citizen. Some of that is privileged, and

518
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: some of that is is structural, which is is definitely

519
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: tied together. So it's important to realize that a lot

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00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: of those stereotypes are really just mints, which will we'll

521
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: get into as we talk about reparations. But when I

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00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: speak to media, I'm speaking using data. I don't like

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Speaker 1: to really give my opinion or entertain stereotypes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are studies that show black men are are the

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Speaker 1: most involved fathers in this country. So we hear about

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Speaker 1: black men not being involved in their children's lives over

527
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: and over and over, and it's this repeated trope, but

528
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: when in reality, we're more involved than anyone. So I

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Speaker 1: like to speak from data. I like to make sure

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking from a place of of scholarship and not

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Speaker 1: just stereotype. I'm an interesting place because yes I have

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Speaker 1: I have protested in the streets, but I'm less interested

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Speaker 1: in protesting in the streets at this point. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to No, I no longer want to protest in

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Speaker 1: the streets. I want to work on legislation that is

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00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: going to help you own that street. Yeah, I have

537
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: a different role now, and I have to come to

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00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: terms with that role, and other people have to come

539
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: to terms with that world. We are all really supposed

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00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: to just get in where we fit in. Some people,

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00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: your only outlet is to protest in the streets. Some people,

542
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: your only outlet is to make a song about racial injustice.

543
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Some people your only outlet is to paint a mural.

544
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Some people your only outlet is to have a podcast,

545
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: and that's okay. Some people's only outlet is to write laws.

546
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: Some people's only outlets is to post a tweet about it.

547
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Some people were right about it. Everyone has a different role.

548
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Not everyone is supposed to do everything, and we have

549
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: to realize that in this work where I'm at as

550
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: an artist, as a teacher, as an activist, and eventually

551
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: as a politician, I'm all of that kind of rolled

552
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: up into one big ball, and my life would not

553
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: be what it is if if those elements of my

554
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: life were not fused together. So the Brianna Taylor tragedy

555
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: for me has forced me to lean into all of

556
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: what I've already been doing even more. I turned it

557
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: up even more. I was already rapping about gentrification, which

558
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: led to her her assassination. I was already rapping about

559
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: systematic change with our law enforcement, which we've seen microscopically

560
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: here locally, but it needs to happen in ways that

561
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: are going to change the centuries from now, because our

562
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: police department was actually started two centuries ago, eighteen twenties,

563
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: and it was designed to patrol slaves, to kill slaves,

564
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: to kidnap, it bring slaves back to the slave pins

565
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: in downtown Louisville. So for for me, my involvement has

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00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: kind of evolved over the past few months. But so

567
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: many people in Louisville and beyond Louisville, but so many

568
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: people in Louisville here locally, from what I can see,

569
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: are thinking too short term, thinking too small. We don't

570
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: need to be fighting for justice for the past four months.

571
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: We need to be fighting for justice for the past

572
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: four hundred years. And I don't even just mean the

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Speaker 1: past four hundred years. We need to be thinking about

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Speaker 1: four hundred years from now in the future, and that's

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Speaker 1: why reparations is an essential conversation to happen. I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you about that, like, what are your thoughts

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00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: on that. If you don't advocate for reparations, there is

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00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: no justice, like there's there is no racial justice or

579
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: race relations being fixed or being healed, or any of

580
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: this changing. If we don't have wealth, generational wealth to

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00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: pass on to our children. We are the only group

582
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: in this country that faced special mistreatment, so we need

583
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: special treatment. There are three groups in America and the

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Speaker 1: United States of America. The people who already lived here,

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Speaker 1: the natives, the indigenous people, the people who decided to

586
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: live here, immigrants who were white, brown, yellow, and in

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00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: between and in and in some cases nowadays they're black.

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00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: And the people who were forced to live here. I

589
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: descend from the people who were forced to live here.

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00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: I am forced to live here. I did not hop

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Speaker 1: on a plane and come to the United States of

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00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: America for scholarship. My ancestors were on boats and came

593
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: here on slave ships. There's a huge difference between these

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00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: three populations and what we've tried to do. It's almost

595
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: create this, uh, this connectivity between us as black people

596
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: who descend from slavery and every other old press group.

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00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: There are plenty of oppressed groups. Your oppressed, and it's

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: not the same as my oppression. My oppression was was law.

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00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: My oppression prevented me from being a part of a

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Speaker 1: society that I built. My oppression is centuries long. My

601
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: oppression was two hundred and fifty years of slavery, a

602
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: hundred years of Jim Crew, where slavery locked us down

603
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: and Jim Crow locked us out. So if we're not

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00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: having a conversation about addressing that oppression through direct payments

605
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: to the American descendants of slavery or Adolfs for short,

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00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: we're not having a conversation at all. We we can't

607
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: talk about homeownership, we can't talk about black business, black banking,

608
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: financial literacy, getting college degrees, none of that closes the

609
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: racial wealth gap. The racial wealth gap is over a

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00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: hundred trillion dollars wide. You don't fix a hundred trillion

611
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: dollars with a degree from college, which in some cases

612
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: keeps you in poverty even more. Because colleges are advertising degrees.

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00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: The black folks who take out loans who don't even

614
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: get jobs in that field. Now you're just paying forty

615
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: fifty years on loans and you and even got no job.

616
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: There are millions of black people in this country who

617
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: are unemployed, who got college degrees. So reparations is that

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00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: is like, that's the nonstarter for me. If a candidate

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Speaker 1: doesn't even advocate or support for direct payment reparations to

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00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: aid offs, I would never vote for you. I would

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00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: never advocate for you. And if you're not talking about

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00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: reparations when you're talking about racial injustice, you're not talking

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Speaker 1: about racial injustice, You're just talking. So what does that

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00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: mean for you at the local level? I mean, I know,

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00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: ideally and I agree with you, we need reparations at

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00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: a federal level to bring to bear um the immense

627
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: wealth that is undertaxed by these giant corporations the top

628
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: one percent of people, and redistributing that to make up

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00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: for the racial injustices that are people have suffered for

630
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: four hundred years. But does that at all influence your

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00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: legislative agenda for the Louisville Metro City Council. There can't

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00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: be local, local reparations. I mean, you can call it that,

633
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: but it undermines the national project because of cities that

634
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: are already penny pitching and desperately in need of dollars.

635
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: If cities start talking about paying reparations to AIDS, then

636
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: the federal government gets let off the hook and now

637
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they feel like they don't have

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00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: to pay anything because Louisville just gave a ten million

639
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: dollar grant to the Western a Louiver which isn't all black.

640
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: So what I do here locally is I'm going to

641
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: make sure I'm advocating for an agenda that is black

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00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: and concentrated in blackness and in a dowsinus. That doesn't

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00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: mean reparations. That means centering policies on the people who

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00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: have been impacted by past policies. And what I also

645
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: need to do from my elected official position is advocate

646
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Speaker 1: for reparations going up the political ladder, putting pressure on

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Speaker 1: the mayor to use his position as the president of

648
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: the u S Conference of Mayor is responsible over of

649
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: our country's population to put pressure on the federal government

650
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: on administration that can actually make reparations happen. I can't

651
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: make it happen down here in Louisville, and I'm not

652
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: interested in making it happen just in Louisville. We can't

653
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: close the racial wealth gap in Louisville unless we close

654
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: the racial wealth gap in America. We can't close the

655
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: racial wealth gap in Chicago unless we close the racial

656
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: wealth gap in America. Any city that you go to

657
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: that has a black ghetto, all of them do. We

658
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: can't close those gaps locally. We can put band aids

659
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: on the issues and we can move the needle a

660
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's going to take pressure from all

661
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: politicians on a lower level to push to the higher level,

662
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: to the folks who can actually implement this, to the

663
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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell's of the world, to the A O. C

664
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Speaker 1: S of the world, to the Corey Bookers of the world,

665
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Speaker 1: to actually make this happen. And that's my responsibility. Of course,

666
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: I'm still doing the work and advocating for a black

667
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: agenda down here, but up here I'm barking and letting

668
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, yo, you need to fix us like you

669
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: broke us. I hate when people say something was senseless.

670
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: We has senseless shootings and senseless killings. It makes sense

671
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: to me if I can't pay my bills, if I

672
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: can't put food on the table, I'm gonna do whatever

673
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: I gotta do to make sure that happens, whether that's

674
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: selling dope, breaking in your house to take your dope,

675
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: or to take your money, doing whatever I can. Still

676
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: in Killing and Dylan are happening because we are desperate

677
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: to meet our needs. We are desperate to survive. Ain't

678
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: no senselessness happening here. We were designed to destroy ourselves,

679
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: to destroy each other. Because the design for us to

680
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: be destroyed didn't work. We are still here in this

681
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Speaker 1: country after four hundred plessure years of the most inhumane

682
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: treatment in history. I was just listening to a brother

683
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: talked the other day about walking outside and how hot

684
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: it was and how he couldn't wait to get home

685
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: to his air conditioning and drink cold water. Can you

686
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: imagine working in a field under under that type of

687
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: intense heat from can't see in the morning to can't

688
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: see a night, and never getting to go home to

689
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: to to comfort, never getting adequate anything, and you being

690
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: born into that, and your kids being born into that,

691
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: and your your mother's and your grandmother's being raped, your

692
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: your men being being humiliated being forced to have sex

693
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: with their mothers. Are you like to cuss on this? Yeah? Yeah,

694
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: where you think the term motherfucker came from? And I

695
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: don't even cuss. I'm just saying that to drive a

696
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: point home. We have gone through the most in you

697
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: made unimaginable conditions known to mankind, and we are still here.

698
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: So the the new form of methods isn't to necessarily

699
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: destroy us, even though we see that happening. Because Brianna

700
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: Taylor was destroyed, George Floyd was destroyed, from out Aubrey

701
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: was destroyed. We're still getting destroyed. But the new method

702
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: of destruction in the black community is for us to

703
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: destroy ourselves and to destroy each other. And that is

704
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: the peak of the violence that we see. There was

705
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: violence before the shooting industry actually occurred. The violence was

706
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: you being starved. The violence was you not being able

707
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: to get a job. The violence was you not even

708
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: being able to afford to live in your place where

709
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: you're supposed to call home. That's violence in itself before

710
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: we commit the violence of hurting each other. So could

711
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: you give us a little more background on the the organ,

712
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: like what y'all do where y'all. Members are located just

713
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: for folks listening that might not be familiar with, Like

714
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: what you say, what are you talking about? Like the

715
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: movement a d OS one on one dot com. We

716
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: do political education, a movement about three things. Identification, which

717
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: I just talked about. Do you descend from slavery? Do

718
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: you descend from Jim Crow? You're not just black by look,

719
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: you're black by lineage, reparations, you know, direct payments and

720
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: an entire political package that goes into building wealth for

721
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: our generations. And then concentration, which a political agenda, a

722
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: black agenda that is anchored and who we are a

723
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: lot of people get mad at us saying we don't

724
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: advocate for other struggles. It ain't about that. It's called

725
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: American Descendants of Slavery for a reason. So if you

726
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: don't descend from slavery, this ain't your movement. Go find

727
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: some other coalition. We are anchored and data, and we

728
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: are anchored and justice for a specific group, a very

729
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: specific group. And if you need more information, a d

730
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Speaker 1: O S one on one dot com. That's that's a

731
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: group of movement I belong to. We got chapters all

732
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: across the country, all right, thank you appreciate that. Hey,

733
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to talk with us. Yeah. Yeah,

734
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: this was great, super enlightening alright. Love. So that was

735
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: your Corey Arthur councilman elected hip hop artists in Louisville, Kentucky.

736
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: And now we're going to try to discuss a little

737
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: bit of music. Let's do it, okay. So for the

738
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: music discussion, we're gonna be talking about rappers Killer Mike

739
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: and t I specifically for some of their outspokenness about

740
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Speaker 1: the issue of reparations. And eventually we're gonna be taking

741
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: a little listen and discussion about their two thousand eighteen

742
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: song forty Acres that they did with the rapper b

743
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: Rossi um now rapper activists Killer Mike has been outspoken

744
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: about the topic of reparations the past, citing strong support

745
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: for Representative John Connor's HR forty Bill, also known as

746
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposal for African

747
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: Americans Act. Speaking about an interview with Charlemagne the God

748
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: for The Hollywood Reporter, he said, when you asked me

749
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: about reparations, I have my ideas about where reparations are,

750
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: but just as the people we haven't had our black

751
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: people meeting yet to see what we're asking for. But

752
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: I think is why the Commission to Study and Develop

753
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: Preparations proposals are so important, just like figuring out what

754
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: it would look like, garnering input from the public about

755
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: what it should look like, because there is some division

756
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: in the community about whether it's direct cash payments, whether

757
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: it's investments and infrastructure and community development, community programming and

758
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: predominantly black neighborhoods, etcetera. So we do I think, I

759
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, I agree with Mike here that we haven't

760
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: had our black people meeting about what we're actually like,

761
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: what we're asking for yet, he said. He went on

762
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: to say Dr King started knowing his last two or

763
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: three years of life. He started asking, he said, start

764
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: asking for land, land grants, land lotteries. If you're an

765
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: American descentan of slaves, this is all killer, Mike. I

766
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: want some type of reparations to be paid, given or

767
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: acclimated to you. But before we get to that part,

768
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: we have to know what we're asking for. And then

769
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: he throws out sort of some figures that help us

770
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: understand a potential scope and scale um in proportion to

771
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: reparations payments. For example, what I would say is if

772
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: George to five percent African American, and I would want

773
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: of the marijuana business going forth to be African American.

774
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: That means in terms of landownership and development. So the

775
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: actual cultivation of the crop, in addition to the vending

776
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: and stores, the actual dispensaries, especially a whole another episode

777
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: of the Randa get us here with reguards to repreations

778
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: that are owned. Given the war on drugs. Yeah BT

779
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: founder Robert Johnson over the summer put a number on it.

780
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: He called for fourteen trillion dollars. He said, um, now

781
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: is the time to go big. Short answers too long

782
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: to the long horrific questions about the stains of slavery

783
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: are not going to solve the inequality problem. We need

784
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: to focus on wealth creation and wealth generation. And to

785
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: do that, we must bring the descendants of slaves into

786
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: equality with this nation, not only for the sin or

787
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: tullman of the sin of slavery and Jim Crowism in segregation,

788
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: both to facto into Jura, but to cause America to

789
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: live up to a concept in the notion that this

790
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: nation was born in the idea of American exceptionalism. I'm

791
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: convinced the problems we can front today can be solved,

792
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: but it takes a big, bold action. So we got

793
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: some platitudes in there, but at least I don't really

794
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: know about the American exceptional some ship. But I mean, again,

795
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: this is all playing. I mean, you know, I guess,

796
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: I guess I'm like a lot more understanding to like

797
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: current like mainstream politicians and just mainstream figures having to

798
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: play that verbal game. And it's like when you know

799
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: that the opposite is like they weren't talking about this

800
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: ship at all, you know, showing me the platitude. It's

801
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: about reparations, We're going to actually address it. Robert Johnson

802
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: made this um statement on the CSNB CSNBC, the Business

803
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: NBC channel, and it's like the response to it was

804
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: one of their stuffy asked anchors was like, oh, Mr Johnson,

805
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: I've known you for decades and I've I've never heard

806
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: you say anything that's quite frankly so extreme. So I

807
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: know that you're serious talking about it, so please explain

808
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: for you know what I mean. It's just like they're

809
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: like exactly opening that conversation. I feel it is an

810
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: important thing. And it's like if throwing out a term

811
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: like American exceptionalism greases the wheels in the setting that

812
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: you're in into the people, you know, the audience that

813
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: you're because you don't have to convince me, you know

814
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like I'm sitting here like, yeah, you know,

815
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: we we get I get it, you know, but I'm

816
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: not going to give them ship for the having to

817
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: grease the wheels, you know what I mean. It's politics. Um,

818
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: Now for the pure music discussion, we're gonna get into

819
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: this track that I found called that I Found. This

820
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: has been out there, but it's a two thousand eighteen

821
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: song by a t I called forty Acres featuring Killer

822
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Mike and b Rossi. So let's take a little listen

823
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: to that. Not a prison yard like the kind of

824
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: your house. Niggas gotta que Nica thought he made it

825
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: because he got it here first. Hawn Pold had been

826
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: out of here. I'm not quite new, all right, So

827
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: that is definitely a banger. What are your first initial

828
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: thoughts to that? So, something that I noticed as I

829
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: was listening to this is that I fear I wonder

830
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: if it perpetuates notions that have been forwarded through, like

831
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: the Chappelle's show's discussion of like reparation, etcetera, just so

832
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: that people who don't know. Back in the two thousand

833
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: three is two thousand four ish, Dave Chappelle did a

834
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: famous skit where UM reparations got passed and like everybody

835
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: went and bought a Cadillac and started a record later

836
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: and here talking about putting the reparations in her handbag,

837
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: talking about I have to put my reparations on a jeweler,

838
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: about a time piece. Now there's no looking back. Yeah,

839
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: that that's the hook at the refrain for the hook. Yeah,

840
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: and in a mule er, I spent my reparations on

841
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: a jeweler, brought a time piece now ato looking back? Now,

842
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm asking the motherfucker's what the funk they're looking at?

843
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: And so to counter that myself, I think to recent

844
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: study they've done on universal basic income in Old Fourth

845
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: Ward in Atlanta, which my mentor Petita Love has taken

846
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: part of the task force on, and they found that

847
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: in black committed is especially when people passed UM a

848
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: former basic income, Black folks especially spend that extra money

849
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: on basic necessities, on food and groceries, on rent, on

850
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: doctor's appointments, on clothing for their families, things that they

851
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: just needed to get by, as opposed to this popular

852
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: conception of oh, there's gonna buy Jordan's and flat screens

853
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: TVs and so I think they'll say and findings that

854
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: they took away from that study that was done, an

855
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: old fourth ward can apply to our broader thinking around

856
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: what reparations will be used for. It like you give

857
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: people money, they're gonna buy land, They're gonna buy education

858
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: for their kids. They might buy a car. It's probably

859
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: because I didn't fucking take the bus currently and are

860
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: trying to have a car. There's jewels throughout the song

861
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: as far as like lines where they're they're they're saying

862
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: some ship. That's like, oh, that's that was clever, that

863
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: was Oh that was a good one. That was that

864
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: was a good point. That was a good line. But

865
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, to be completely honest with you, I personally

866
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: would think before hearing this, knowing how t I and

867
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Speaker 1: Killer might have been talking about the issue of reparations,

868
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: I guess I don't want to say it's disappointing, because

869
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: I do think that the song is a banger, like

870
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: the beat is dope. I think everybody's flowing, everybody's wrapping

871
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: their ass off on it. The ship is dope, you

872
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The song is dope. But just

873
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: from a personal standpoint, it's like, I don't know, it

874
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: doesn't feel serious, you know, it feels fun. It reminds

875
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: me of the way I felt the first time I

876
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: saw Djengo, you know, like I was going expecting it

877
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: to be like this hard, you know, like a hard,

878
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: unrelenting look at a particular topic, and then it was like, oh,

879
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: this is like fun and that's how we normalized ideas

880
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: At the same time. I think that's the power of

881
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: hip hop music too, interlace topics of political potency with

882
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: just like Bracadoggio and just regular asked rhymes to like

883
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: bring it into common currency with like in the culture.

884
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: But that's where I think everyone excels in their verses

885
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: because I think everyone is hitting on those hitting on

886
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: exactly that within their verses. The hook refrain is the

887
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: part that you hear three times though. You know what

888
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying in the hook refrain is spent my reparation

889
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: on a jeweler, which, yeah, you know, I'm pretty sure

890
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: that if we ever do get a point to where

891
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: we're like seriously discussing um reparations and like what it

892
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: could look like, Tucker Carlson are gonna be like they're

893
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: gonna spend it on a jeweler. Look, they're gonna site

894
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna play this on Fox News. Yeah. So

895
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's all. That's all I'm saying about it.

896
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think objectively the song is dope. Like.

897
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: Back in July July seventeen, to be exact, t I

898
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: shared a two page open letter with the UK insurance

899
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: firm Lloyd's of London for reparations for their role in

900
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: the Transatlantic slave trade. He was quoted saying in the letter,

901
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: our people have been financially impaired and economically disabled due

902
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: to systemic oppression and the institutional racism that leaves behind.

903
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: Your commitment to reparations is an honorable one, but commitment

904
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: without tangible actions is merely lip service. He writes. In

905
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: the letter, we demand a specific call to action that includes,

906
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: but is not limited to, direct reparations be made to

907
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: families who were ripped from their native lands and sold

908
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: as property while your company profited from the whole shameful endeavor.

909
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: Tai goes on to suggest four avenues for reparations. Ten

910
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: percent ownership and Lloyd's to be given to the descendants

911
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: of African slaves, accurate annual tracking of US reparations, a

912
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: one million dollar cash loan with one percent interest every

913
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: African American adult once in a lifetime for the next

914
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: two hundred years. And at least one African American member

915
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: on its board, which really is not asking for much honestly,

916
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: and with reguards of the board membership, I mean the

917
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: rest would be fucking dope and owed frankly, um, but

918
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: then representation on the board one member, Like that's how

919
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: do y'all did y'all do that? Yet? Like do you where?

920
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: Like what? What? I think that's kind of going to

921
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: some of the point that I was making though, which

922
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: is like I feel like I wish t I had

923
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: put that into a song. Yeah, you know, like I

924
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: wish here wrapped about that. Yeah, Like I feel that.

925
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: I feel that. I just feel there's a whole audience

926
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: or a whole like segment of the population that would

927
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: have absorbed that knowledge or that or would absorb that

928
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: information better if it rhymed and it was over a

929
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: dope beat, I just do I just I've always thought

930
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: that's not like a criticism TI, that's just my feelings

931
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: on the fucking power of hip hop. With hip hop

932
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: and all things politics as well, has been if you're

933
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: waiting around for someone else to do it, fucking do

934
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: do it. Hey, I do my part, y'all. Motherfucker's gotta

935
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: go listen to that ship. Don't forget that when we're

936
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: not hosting this podcast and we're not helping rent a city,

937
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: that we're both two pretty dope hip hop artists at

938
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: Dope Knife looked me up in the book, you know,

939
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: just talking shit. I walk it. Yeah, I'll do my part. Well,

940
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: all right, we are definitely going to be doing a

941
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: episode coming up soon about voting an electoral politics and

942
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: hip hop's relationship to that. But um, yeah, if you

943
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: saw what the funk we watched tonight, I mean, you know,

944
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: we're kind of tipsy and I'm high, so you know

945
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: we're coming through that filter. But I kind of felt

946
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: like I should be really scared watching it. So I

947
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: think that y'all should be check your voter registration, particularly

948
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: if you've moved recently. Make a plan to vote early

949
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: in person or absentee. Uh, talk to some friends about

950
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: getting out to vote too. And it's not just for

951
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: the president. You can leave this ship blink for all

952
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: I fucking care. But vote down ballot. Look at these

953
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: Senate races and these House you know, these congressional races.

954
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: Look at who's running for d A in your city

955
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: and make sure you're informed in order to vote for

956
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: those things as well. Uh, let's get into some rapping things.

957
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: Check check to check check check check? Want to check check?

958
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: Want to how we do check? Check? Want to check check?

959
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: Want to how we do check? Check to check check? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

960
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: I said, welcome everybody to wait in our reparations. And

961
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: can't nobody say that the people was never patient. And

962
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: if you suck around them, we go start the demonstration.

963
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: Been talking about the chifs of segregation. They want to

964
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: go and tell you that they ain't got the money.

965
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: You see, they just lying when they need to bail out,

966
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: the trillions get flying and when you want your vote,

967
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: they may can just buy them. Maybe first, pay me

968
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: for that red line, and yo, pay me for that

969
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: red line in motherfucker. Yeah I'm about to come and

970
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: remind them and all the minding that they didn't on

971
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: our wealth and has a top on the fucking hell

972
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: changing this stuff. They're trying to talk about something else,

973
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: not motherfucker deal with the cards. But tell I think

974
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: what y'all thought in our communities taken stuff from us

975
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: for Tekecades with compunity. It's been a hundred years and

976
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: they paying us back. If these politicians what they say,

977
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: it is whack if you speak on reparations for us

978
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: saying with facts for accessors of slavery that everybody who's black. Yo,

979
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: these people really want lares. But whatever really want is

980
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: for the Acer front yard like David Walker own for it.

981
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: God chart pay us back for the terrorism. Is it hard? Hey,

982
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: this is dope knife and we are waiting on reparations.

983
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: See you guys next week. Everybody be safe. Waiting on

984
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: reparations as a production of I Heart Radio. Listen to

985
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: Waiting on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

986
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.