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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 2: And we are live from the DNC again with an

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Speaker 2: absolutely insane lineup of people who will tell you such

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Speaker 2: interesting things about what's going on in America today. Why,

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Speaker 2: Senator Brian Schotz tells us his interesting take about what

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Speaker 2: Kamala and Tim Walls mean for a new Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll talk to former Trump White House Press Secretary

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Grisham about why she spoke at the DNC against

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Speaker 2: President Trump. Next, President of the Association of Flight Attendants

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Speaker 2: CWAAFL CIO Sarah Nelson tells us about the democrats embrace

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Speaker 2: of labor unions. Then Peter Segel, the host of NPR's

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Speaker 2: Weightweight Don't Tell Me, talks about Tim Walls being a

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Speaker 2: Midwestern dad and the game changer that comes with it.

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Speaker 2: Then human rights campaigns Kelly Robinson talks to us about

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Speaker 2: protecting our most vulnerable fellow citizens. Finally, actor Mandy Patinkins

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Speaker 2: tells us why he's at the DNC and why Dems

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Speaker 2: need to win. But first we have inside elections. Jacob

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fast Politics, my friend, I think of

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Speaker 3: you as a numbers guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell you I do, Jacob Robashkan.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: So Jacob, you rite for inside elections.

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Speaker 3: You rank all of the map the Congress and the

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Speaker 3: Senate who can win through polls, through polling. What I

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Speaker 3: want first you're going to talk about is the part

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Speaker 3: of the Democratic National Convention that people don't talk about.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of what happens here in the morning

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Speaker 3: about six, is that people go to these briefings that

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Speaker 3: are held by super PACs and they tell you lots

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's actually quite boring.

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Speaker 3: But tell me briefings you've gone to and what you've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So every morning, like you said, there are a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of events that carried through to the early afternoon.

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Speaker 4: And you know, there are a lot of different stakeholders here.

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Speaker 4: This is the super Bowl, it's the Olympics, it's this

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Speaker 4: is the biggest moment in politics every four years, and

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Speaker 4: so everyone's trying to get their message out. And I've

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Speaker 4: been to a number of different events. A couple that

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Speaker 4: come to mind the founders of Future Forward Pack, which

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Speaker 4: is the big Biden's super pack. They're going to spend

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Speaker 4: or excuse me, Harris super packets have only been a

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Speaker 4: going to spend two hundred and fifty million dollars on

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Speaker 4: Harris's behalf over the next three months. They did a

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Speaker 4: it was interesting because it lined up with another group

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Speaker 4: List polling briefing that I attended is basically that this

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Speaker 1: And there's really the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's a real contrast because the energy here

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Speaker 4: But I think what these outside groups are trying to

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Speaker 4: It is still very possible for Trump to win this election.

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Speaker 4: What Harris has done is give Democrats a fighting chance.

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Speaker 1: So what weird stuff are you seeing? That's pretty interesting?

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Speaker 4: Well, one of the things that I find striking, and

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Speaker 4: This is really something that I wouldn't have expected a

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Speaker 3: So one of the things that has been a complaint

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Speaker 1: This election, not this election. This convention has been too long.

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Speaker 3: The speeches, that doing six hours of speeches is making

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Speaker 3: It sounds like these are all people who really need

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Speaker 4: Are a lot of big personalities here. Everyone who is

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Speaker 4: all want an opportunity to make their voices heard. Look,

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Speaker 4: I think that conventions have always been kind of a slog.

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Speaker 1: Then you are tired. You see franky, we are a

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Speaker 4: It's so the perception is so different because if you're

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Speaker 4: I've never heard anyone say, oh I wish that that

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Speaker 4: That would have really made it. Look Tim Walls, last night,

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Speaker 4: Our friends that see spend crunch the numbers. Tim Walls's

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Speaker 4: And look, I think that the response to his speech

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Speaker 3: This is our new nonpartisan issue. It stops speaking for

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Speaker 1: Could you run for office just now?

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Speaker 3: this is like joy with underpinnings of intense anxiety.

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Speaker 4: So I was on the floor for both. Michelle Amberock

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Speaker 3: Night controversial take that the two best orators and the

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Speaker 4: I haven't given very many speeches like this. It's it's

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Speaker 4: No want you want something different, you want something a

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and it's a it's a benefit to Democrats that

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Speaker 1: That I think she did decriminalize.

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Speaker 1: She's raised five hundred million dollars now.

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Speaker 4: But she I wouldn't I don't know specifically, but I

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Speaker 3: So there was so much, there were so many like

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a presidential launch go this, Well,

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Speaker 4: You know. And again, she benefits from the fact that

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Speaker 8: Like the video?

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Speaker 4: You know, A longer presidential campaign gives you more opportunities

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Speaker 3: You are, I'm going to ask you one last question,

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Speaker 1: You think those people go to Trump?

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Speaker 4: this has already been baked in.

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Speaker 1: Because and a half points.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, she's because she got to introduce herself as the

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Speaker 4: nominee with such a favorable news cycle. That's typically what

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Speaker 4: month before the convention. So I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 4: it's I don't know. Look, I don't even know. I

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Speaker 3: points you, Jacob exactly.

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Speaker 2: Unusual dot bio. Brider Shots is the senior senator from Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: You're like a frequent flyer here too fast Politics Senator Shots.

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Speaker 6: Nice to see you.

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Speaker 3: Nice to see we are in person at the Democratic

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Speaker 3: National Convention.

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Speaker 1: What number Convention is this for you?

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Speaker 9: I think it's for I don't even remember, but I

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Speaker 9: think I did both Obamas and then Clinton and then yeah,

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Speaker 9: so this is four.

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Speaker 3: So the vibes are a lot of people have said

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Speaker 3: the vibes are Obama two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think listen.

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Speaker 9: I think level of enthusiasm is very comparable to Denver

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Speaker 9: and the Obama experience. What for me feels different is

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Speaker 9: that with Obama and even last night, with both of

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Speaker 9: the Obamas, it was always inevitably and it's not their

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Speaker 9: fault at least partly about them and how magnificent they

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Speaker 9: are and how.

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Speaker 6: Extraordinary they are because they're just so good.

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Speaker 9: But you kind of have this problem of how you're

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Speaker 9: going to build a team around Michael Jordan, right, and

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Speaker 9: with Kamala and Tim Walls. They are both extraordinary leaders,

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Speaker 9: but there's not this sense of kind of like messianic devotion.

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Speaker 9: There is this set you remember during it was actually

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Speaker 9: Bernie versus Hillary. His campaigns a slogan was not me

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Speaker 9: us Yeah, and that's what this feels like. This feels

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Speaker 9: like this is all of us as a team, as

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Speaker 9: opposed to all of us saying we found our political Messiah.

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Speaker 3: This is a hot take, and we know this is

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Speaker 3: actually a smart take because Jesse Cannon just nodded, whereas

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Speaker 3: with many of my interviews today he's been like.

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Speaker 1: Just sits stoically, We'll be like, stop doing stuff.

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Speaker 3: I can see somewhere else, which was he's very mean

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Speaker 3: to me, but that's okay. But yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think that's a really important point. And when we talk

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Speaker 3: about Walls, you know, I was an early Walls and

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Speaker 3: for a number of reasons I had interviewed him, we

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Speaker 3: had been texting. I think he gave me a cell phone,

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Speaker 3: which it turns out he gives a lot of people

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Speaker 3: his cell phone because my cousin, when I was branging

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Speaker 3: about this to him, said oh I have it too.

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Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, So I was like, all right, well,

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Speaker 3: then there we go. So he has not texted me back,

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Speaker 3: which maybe makes sense now that I know my cousin

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Speaker 3: is also texting him. But one of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: she chose him, I think, or at least from what

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Speaker 3: we've extrapolated, is that he really is a team player, that's.

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Speaker 9: Right, and he understands team concepts like I understand that people,

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Speaker 9: you know, want to sort of project onto him coach

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Speaker 9: Waltz and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 6: But it's really true.

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Speaker 9: There's no small thing to be a successful football coach,

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Speaker 9: and it is no small thing to have been in

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Speaker 9: the military and understand team dynamics. And I think that

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Speaker 9: he understands he's playing a role and he's proud to

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Speaker 9: do it. My own judgment is that Tim Walls is

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Speaker 9: making the case because he's aggressively normal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I.

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Speaker 6: Found this one job right called United States.

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Speaker 9: Senator, where if you are normal, right, that's a distinguishing characteristic. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: And here's Tim Wallas. He's a governor and he just

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Speaker 9: actually does seem like a regular guy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, it does seem like Again, I got troll

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Speaker 3: by the right for talking about how folksy he was

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Speaker 3: because they feel I am insufficiently folksy, which I mean

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Speaker 3: is clearly true. But I thought, like the mid Western

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Speaker 3: dad vibes are top tier.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's not bullshit.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a difference, right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when he's talking about how to fix a car,

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Speaker 9: he clearly knows how to fix a car. It's not

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Speaker 9: a shtick for him, it's not a presentation for him.

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Speaker 9: This is genuinely the kind of person he is. Listen,

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Speaker 9: in the first couple of days when he was doing

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Speaker 9: that sort of cable TV run, right, everybody was very

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Speaker 9: their curiosity was peaued. But my hesitation was whether he

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Speaker 9: had kind of substance underneath it. And then you find

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Speaker 9: out he's got all this governing success and just on

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Speaker 9: a human level, he's a dad. He's a little bit funny,

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Speaker 9: but not joky funny, and he just knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: When he was a governor, it was the head of

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Speaker 3: the DGA Democratic Governor's Association, explain to us what it

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Speaker 3: means to do those leadership roles the DJA, or you

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Speaker 3: have one that national Senate.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 9: It means that I mean, listen, the head of the

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Speaker 9: DGA has to be unselfish, because you have to worry

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Speaker 9: about other people's elections in places that you know generally

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Speaker 9: don't necessarily mean anything to you in the narrowest political

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Speaker 9: sense of it. So he has to be worrying about

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Speaker 9: the Hawaii governorship and the California governorship in the New

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Speaker 9: Mexico government governorship, and that, you know, builds his political chops.

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Speaker 6: He can raise money and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 9: But the other thing DGA does is they do convenings

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Speaker 9: on stuff that's popping right now. There are lots of

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Speaker 9: state based insurance crises.

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Speaker 1: I know, hard of being the top Florida, but.

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Speaker 9: Also condominiums like it's happening everywhere, and they end up

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Speaker 9: serving as a platform for sharing information on the actual

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Speaker 9: legislative pat of the job. So it's pretty good preparation

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Speaker 9: for national leadership.

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Speaker 3: Give me sort of two seconds on he was in Congress.

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Speaker 3: So he's been in Congress, he's been a at the

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Speaker 3: executive level, he's been a governor. And then you have

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Speaker 3: Harris who has been an ag a DA but first

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Speaker 3: female vice president ever. I mean, what do you think

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Speaker 3: that sort of background looks like as.

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Speaker 9: Cammie Well, I think, you know, they're sort of of

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Speaker 9: the Congress, but not like creatures of Congress, like Kamala

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Speaker 9: was there four years.

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Speaker 6: I served with her for those four years.

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Speaker 9: You know, Tim Walltz was a member of Congress but

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Speaker 9: then went back and became a governor. And so it's

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Speaker 9: great to have that kind of legislative experience. It maybe

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Speaker 9: at some point turns a corner and becomes a downside

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Speaker 9: risk politically, if you start talking like a member of

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Speaker 9: Congress like these people have other both public service and

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Speaker 9: human experiences that make them qualified.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you, Senator Chads.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics. Welcome, Stephanie, Thank you for having me. So

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Speaker 1: you just spoke at your first Democratic invention.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I did.

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Speaker 6: I'm still not believing it, but I did.

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Speaker 3: What is it like to speak at a democratic invention

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Speaker 3: after working in the Trump White House and really taking

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a joyful experience. It's a happy and

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Speaker 10: welcoming experience, which is nothing that the Trump White House was.

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Speaker 10: But in all seriousness, it's a great opportunity to talk

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Speaker 10: to independence and other Republicans and kind of give them

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Speaker 10: maybe the strength or the courage that it would take to,

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Speaker 10: you know, go against your party. And I think when

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Speaker 10: And I really believe that if we can reach enough

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Speaker 10: independence and like minded Republicans that when they go behind

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Speaker 10: conscience and that they'll vote for honesty and integrity back

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Speaker 10: into our White House.

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Speaker 1: When you when you talk to voters and you tell

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Speaker 1: your story, is there a moment when you were in

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Speaker 1: the Trump White House where you were like, this is it?

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Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore? And what was it?

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Speaker 10: Ugh pry too long for this podcast.

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Speaker 6: The moment hit me.

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Speaker 10: Yes on a flight with the First Lady and with

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Speaker 10: the President after a mass shooting. It was just a

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Speaker 10: terrible moment. And I tried to resign actually a few

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Speaker 10: times after that, and Milani and I were quite close.

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Speaker 10: She got me to stay. That's why I moved back

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Speaker 10: to the east wing at the end, and then January

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Speaker 10: sixth was my line in the sand, obviously. But yeah,

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Speaker 10: as I watched him evolve, I wanted out more and more.

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Speaker 10: But that's scary too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that you've done is you have

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Speaker 3: really left the public life. Yes, and you're just back

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Speaker 3: here because you know the importance of voting against Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yet just talk about that for two seconds. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: You know a lot of people say people being Republicans

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Speaker 10: right now, that I'm here for relevance, to get paid

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Speaker 10: all of that.

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Speaker 6: That's not true.

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Speaker 10: It's scary to do this. Like I said, I've got

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Speaker 10: a life that I really enjoy. But I feel so

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Speaker 10: so passionate about this and about her that I'm going

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Speaker 10: to step back into this spotlight here and see it

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Speaker 10: through until election.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you, Stephanie Gresha, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Nelson is the president of the Association of Flight

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Speaker 2: Attendant c WAAFLC.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Sarah Nelson, my friend.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, Mollie.

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Speaker 3: Feel like this has been like the unspoken story of

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Speaker 3: Chicago twenty twenty four as labor.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's a completely different DNC that

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Speaker 11: I've ever been to. And what we're showing is that

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Speaker 11: labor is on the move. Look at the UAW strike

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Speaker 11: and the pulling out of that seventy five percent of

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Speaker 11: American supporting that there's nothing as popular as unions in

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Speaker 11: this country right now. And it's because working people are

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Speaker 11: like standing up and organizing and demanding our fair share.

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Speaker 11: And so we're seeing that play out in our politics.

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Speaker 11: I've been saying for a long time, Start in the

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Speaker 11: work place and the politics will follow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you are a union leader. You have been

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Speaker 1: doing this long time.

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Speaker 3: Political parties like to pander to unions, but they don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily like to make change for unions. But this Democratic

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Speaker 3: Party seems like they are.

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Speaker 11: Look, this is exciting because Joe Biden started it. Okay,

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Speaker 11: he came right out of the gate, right when he

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Speaker 11: was president and said that the government is not just

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Speaker 11: supposed to let unions exist, to actually encourage unions, and

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Speaker 11: people all across the country got the message on that

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Speaker 11: the Starbucks campaign.

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Speaker 8: Rose up out of that.

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Speaker 11: You know, we saw the successful campaign at Amazon, We've

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Speaker 11: seen all this other organizing. We've seen other people rise

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Speaker 11: up in their unions and take control and want to

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Speaker 11: be more militant and take on the boss. And this

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Speaker 11: is not something that we have seen in a very

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Speaker 11: long time, and so appreciate Joe Biden on that. But

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Speaker 11: it also started before the pandemic. This is about Karen

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Speaker 11: Lewis right here in Chicago with the Chicago teachers saying

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Speaker 11: the word strike in twenty twelve and inviting the entire

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Speaker 11: community into that strike, building enough power in this city

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Speaker 11: to elect one of their own as mayor of Chicago

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Speaker 11: right within ten years. And so we're seeing the results

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Speaker 11: of that now. We're seeing that democracy doesn't just sort

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Speaker 11: of exist with unicorn and rainbows everywhere. It exists within

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Speaker 11: the system of capitalism. And right now money is controlling

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Speaker 11: our politics, and so we have to go attack that

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Speaker 11: money where it exists, where the capital exists, and the

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Speaker 11: organizing with private companies is what's changing our politics right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's so important. We got to get

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Speaker 1: some esoteric stuff from this convention. What has this convention

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Speaker 1: been like, for you, what has been interesting and strange

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Speaker 1: that you've noticed? Give us anything? Wow?

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Speaker 11: You know, there's not a script for this convention. That's

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Speaker 11: what's so incredible here. I think that what we are

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Speaker 11: seeing is the perfect confluence of events here where we

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Speaker 11: have needed a black woman to lead this country for

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Speaker 11: a very long time.

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Speaker 8: But to say that is a hurdle too high to.

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Speaker 1: Get over in this country, it seems.

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Speaker 11: So what we've done is, you know, labor's been organizing,

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Speaker 11: we've been building for this moment, the fact that we

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Speaker 11: need new leadership. This country has been calling out for leadership,

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Speaker 11: and the idea was that we didn't have a bench.

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Speaker 11: But here you lift the lid and we're going to

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Speaker 11: get the leader that we need who's meeting the moment

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Speaker 11: because working people are rising up. And I think this

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Speaker 11: is allowing Kamala to be her true, authentic self. And

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Speaker 11: so what we're seeing is a virtually unscripted convention, which

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Speaker 11: is not what we have seen before. And I think

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Speaker 11: people are feeling it and they're excited about it. That's

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Speaker 11: what you fill in the room and they're going to

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Speaker 11: go out and they're gonna act on that. I will

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Speaker 11: tell you with unions. What this means is that we

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Speaker 11: can have conversations with people that were otherwise a drudgery

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Speaker 11: to have in politics, and we can tell we can

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Speaker 11: engage people in conversations now about why the election matters

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Speaker 11: because they're already in the conversation. We don't have to

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Speaker 11: pull them into it.

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Speaker 3: To start off with Sean Fain, he's pretty cool to discuss.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, listen, Sean Fain. I have been in

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Speaker 11: a lot of UAW halls for the last ten years,

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Speaker 11: and a lot of people have asked me around the

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Speaker 11: labor movement, like I want to have a strong, fighting union,

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Speaker 11: but I'm not so sure about my union. I've said,

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Speaker 11: open up your constitution, your union belongs to you. And

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Speaker 11: so here I was also saying.

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Speaker 1: Women join unions, run unions.

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Speaker 11: You know, we need your leadership. But young people, people

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Speaker 11: of color, rise up. And so I've been telling you

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Speaker 11: a w members, thank you for sending me a fighter,

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Speaker 11: Thank you for sending me someone who is you know,

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Speaker 11: going to push forward and use the power of that

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Speaker 11: office to make change for working people, not just for

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Speaker 11: UAW members, but to inspire people everywhere. Did you unions?

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Speaker 11: And I've said to them, what I had to realize

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Speaker 11: is I had to check my own biases because I

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Speaker 11: didn't know you were going to send me a fifty

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Speaker 11: five year old grandpa from Central Indiana. But here he is,

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Speaker 11: and a lot of people are inspired. But we got

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Speaker 11: to lock this in. There's a lot of leaders everywhere

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Speaker 11: and a lot to do.

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Speaker 8: Still.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much, Sarah, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Peter Siegel is the host of NPR's Wait Wait, don't

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Speaker 2: tell me.

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Speaker 1: We never talk about old podcasts.

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Speaker 7: Oh right, Sorry, I actually have a very old podcast,

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Speaker 7: so I wouldn't know. Oh yes, I never talked about

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Speaker 7: the olden I'm going to ask you. I was on

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Speaker 7: the bad podcast.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna go on trivia. Okay, Democratic National Convention.

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Speaker 3: Which one is stuck in your head?

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Speaker 5: Well, I've never been to one?

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Speaker 1: Oh you've never been.

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Speaker 5: This is my first time. Yeah, I've never been in New.

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Speaker 1: York Chicago, I I know, not even well. Rena the

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Speaker 1: ill fated makare Mackarena one. Was that ninety six?

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Speaker 5: That was ninety six doing the Macharena. No, I wasn't

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Speaker 5: living here.

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Speaker 1: Then, Mackarina, remember that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, back in back in nineteen ninety six, I was

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Speaker 7: an a political playwright living I don't even remember, I

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Speaker 7: think in New York.

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Speaker 1: Oh, good for you.

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Speaker 5: We just had a senator walk by. I'm not used

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Speaker 5: to that.

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Speaker 1: What they do They just walked by.

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Speaker 5: It was Mark Warner. He was just in. He was

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Speaker 5: just in the floor.

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Speaker 1: That's right, talking Virginia.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, the Great State.

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Speaker 1: Is it weird to be at this convention?

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Speaker 5: It's really weird.

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Speaker 7: I'm associating it because it's the only point of reference

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Speaker 7: I have with being at the Oscars, because it's a

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Speaker 7: thing that I've only seen on TV and now I'm

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Speaker 7: here in person, and it's both kind of cool. Oh

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Speaker 7: I'm here, but you're really watching them take a TV show, yes,

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Speaker 7: which is so.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of fun. Yeah, and the floor is I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's a good show, so I have no complaints.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Hot take right there, don't you think, Jesse Cannon you're

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Speaker 3: watching it.

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Speaker 5: Jesse was like what, looking at his Jesse's.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm so sick of these coordinating and it's like,

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Speaker 3: I'm so sick of this person.

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Speaker 5: I just had a really cool moment with Jesse because

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Speaker 5: I've never met Jessie.

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Speaker 1: He's the best.

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Speaker 5: And he started talking I'm like, oh my god, it's Jesse.

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Speaker 1: You can't do better than Jesse. Are you allowed to

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Speaker 1: have opinions?

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Speaker 7: It depends on the topic. I'm allowed to have opinions

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Speaker 7: about food. For example, Okay, I can have.

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Speaker 3: You seen any of the light up cowboy hats here?

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Speaker 3: And what is your thought? I thought the light up

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Speaker 3: when you've gotten me one.

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Speaker 7: Go Well, first of all, I have no access to

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Speaker 7: light up white cobbye where where we're at MPR. We

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Speaker 7: can't afford anything that lights up hah. In fact, I

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Speaker 7: was going to steal you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 7: you saw, but they have The entire auditorium is got

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Speaker 7: these little blinking lights that all the big shows have.

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Speaker 7: Now they're all these radio control blinking lights, right, so

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Speaker 7: they can do like light shows. And I was going

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Speaker 7: to steal a bunch to use them for studio elimination

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Speaker 7: because we have no budget and that would be cool.

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Speaker 5: What did you ask me about.

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Speaker 3: Your opinions about this convention or just tell us what

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Speaker 3: you think the vibes are.

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Speaker 7: The vibe, well, the vibes are like genuinely fun fun, and.

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Speaker 1: Which for Democrats is not.

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Speaker 5: No, it's a new thing.

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Speaker 7: And I also feel like I'm spoiled because if I

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Speaker 7: had been to any other democratic convention, I would assume

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Speaker 7: they'd all be this joyful. Yeah, I don't, because I'm

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Speaker 7: me and I have a brain that works. I think

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Speaker 7: a little bit like yours does. I keep thinking about

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Speaker 7: the alternative timeline in which it would be Biden and

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Speaker 7: when she would be so forced there'd be a lot

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Speaker 7: of obligatory excitement. That is something that I actually associate

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Speaker 7: democratic conventions. For example, I remember two thousand and four

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Speaker 7: as you were saying that that was a lot of

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Speaker 7: obligatory excitement.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that's happened with Harris is that

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Speaker 3: the calculus has changed. Yes, and there is a lot

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Speaker 3: of talent that was waiting in the wings, and now

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Speaker 3: they may be waiting in the wings a while longer,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Because like she's she just jumped up in line.

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Speaker 1: She's in now, and if she wins, she's it for

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Speaker 1: eight years.

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Speaker 7: You're not going for like the passing of the torch

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Speaker 7: thing like now it's to the younger generation, which by

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Speaker 7: the way, she's we're the same age, and the fact

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Speaker 7: that she is the younger generation is the best thing

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Speaker 7: that's ever.

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Speaker 5: Happened to me.

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Speaker 1: It's true, I feel really young.

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Speaker 3: It's great, but there are a lot of people for

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Speaker 3: whom they now have to wait eight years.

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Speaker 1: I don't cry for them. They'll be fine.

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Speaker 3: But if sheel curious, how do you think that changes

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Speaker 3: the calculus of this convention.

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Speaker 7: It's hard to say, but you'd imagine that everybody would

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Speaker 7: be excited because it hasn't like one of the conventional

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Speaker 7: wisdom complaints about Democrats is they're all basically dating from

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Speaker 7: the Jurassic. Yes, yes, not even the Cretaceous, which was

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Speaker 7: the later part of the Mesosoic, but the Jurassic, which

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Speaker 7: is even older.

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Speaker 5: I might have a son who is really into a dinosaurs,

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Speaker 5: or I've learned all this stuff.

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Speaker 7: So presumably they'd all be excited that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 7: the young generation meeting people in their fifties are taking over, right,

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Speaker 7: I mean our sixties. You know that's also cool. So

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Speaker 7: I think everybody would be excited. Everybody seems very excited

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Speaker 7: right now.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, it does, but there's quite a lot of ambition.

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Speaker 5: Summary well, it sounds like you think there is.

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Speaker 3: I think that there are a lot of really talented

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Speaker 3: people who are now adjusting their expectations. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's interesting because if Biden were the nominee, you would

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Speaker 3: have like breakout star after a breakout star after a

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Speaker 3: breakout star, and because now there's a real serious possibility

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Speaker 3: of a Harris presidency, and that is exciting to me.

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Speaker 3: I just am curious sort of the calculus of the

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Speaker 3: people like Whitmre and Newsome and these people who were

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Speaker 3: really running for president until about a month ago.

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Speaker 1: So he is curious.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't have any I mean, you're much

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Speaker 5: more wired than I am.

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Speaker 7: But your theory is like Gretchen Whitmer, or the Gretch

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Speaker 7: as she actually calls herself, bigretch.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, yeah, Bigretch.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I think she's amazing.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not calling her out so much as I'm

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Speaker 3: just thinking in my head of all of those candidates

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Speaker 3: who were.

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Speaker 7: The idea is like they're thinking to themselves, Man, we

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Speaker 7: had a chance to take the reins in twenty twenty eight, right,

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Speaker 7: didn't we all assume that Trump was going to win,

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Speaker 7: in which case there would be no elections in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I thought.

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Speaker 3: This is my thinking too, But there were certainly some

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Speaker 3: people I wouldn't underestimate how ambitious politicians are, not that

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Speaker 3: we don't love them. In my head, I'm thinking about

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Speaker 3: the sort of calculuses behind the scenes.

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Speaker 7: One thing I could tell you is that here in

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Speaker 7: Cook County it works very much like that, that there's

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Speaker 7: a line and you're in line. There's an elderly African

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Speaker 7: American congressman who used to represent me, I want to say,

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Speaker 7: Danny Davis. Yeah, and there's a rumor a couple of

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Speaker 7: cycles ago that he was going to retire. And according

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Speaker 7: to a friend of mine who was wired in to

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Speaker 7: the African American politics in the West side of Chicago.

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Speaker 5: That means everybody moves up a step.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Like so somebody, of course, a couple of people

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Speaker 7: a going to run for his seat, that one would

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Speaker 7: get it, and then somebody runs for that person's scene,

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Speaker 7: and everybody gets to move up. It's almost like, you know,

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Speaker 7: like a like a conveyor belt that has been stopped.

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Speaker 7: So there's that idea, but I don't know if it

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Speaker 7: works that way in sort of national democratic politics.

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Speaker 3: That's something I'm thinking about because we are trying to

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Speaker 3: have takes about this convention that are.

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Speaker 5: Not just joyful fun. This is great. We're having the

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Speaker 5: best time ever.

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Speaker 1: Just a little bit perhaps counterintuitive, but still smart, as

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Speaker 1: my producer Jesse has told me to.

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Speaker 7: But isn't I mean, I think the fact that you're

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Speaker 7: looking for kind of a dark side is a very

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Speaker 7: democratic thing to do, and out of all the people,

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Speaker 7: because everybody's trying to do it, I mean, democrats in

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Speaker 7: array of course, is like not a storyline that anybody

935
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Speaker 7: can go with. And I think that yours is so

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Speaker 7: far the most smart sounding.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would just say, I just am thinking about

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Speaker 3: what it's like to be a politician. And remember these

939
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Speaker 3: are people whose entire lives have been decisions to get

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Speaker 3: to this moment, right, and so I just am thinking

941
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Speaker 3: about that in that way.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to meditate.

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Speaker 5: Thinkat with him, think of the jobs.

944
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Speaker 3: From NPR and your fancy and so we have to

945
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Speaker 3: do things like meditate on ideas.

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Speaker 5: I'm so not fancy.

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Speaker 7: So in my show, I basically do dad jokes and

948
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Speaker 7: fart jokes and dad far jokes.

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Speaker 5: That's what I do. You're in the sophisticated wire speaking of.

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Speaker 1: Dad jokes for a minute. One minute. We have one

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Speaker 1: one minute left for you to talk about. He's very tough.

952
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Speaker 1: He's a tyrant.

953
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Speaker 5: You need them. We only need one minute.

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Speaker 1: To talk about talent. There are air quotes now to

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Speaker 1: talk about Tim Walls, the most dad of all dads.

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Speaker 1: He has a tip top now he calls it a

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Speaker 1: Tim talk.

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Speaker 5: WHOA. Here's the terrifying thing about like you all the

959
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Speaker 5: Tim Walls jokes.

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Speaker 7: You know, Tim's the guy who'd like offered it, like

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Speaker 7: pull over and offer to jump your cables. Tim Walls

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Speaker 7: is the guy who's not only happy to give you directions,

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Speaker 7: but will actually walk you down to the street and

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Speaker 7: point you to the subway.

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Speaker 5: All those things.

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Speaker 7: I have done seventy five percent of those things, sometimes

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Speaker 7: awkwardly in such a way that the person I was

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Speaker 7: trying to do it for it did not appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: But I felt such a familiar vibe. I think he

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Speaker 7: represents me.

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Speaker 1: So are you saying you are a Midwestern dad and

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Speaker 1: you see yourself?

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Speaker 5: I absolutely do. I feel represented.

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Speaker 7: And he's also again my age, which is utterly terrifying

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Speaker 7: and a new young generation. But yes, we Midwestern dads.

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Speaker 3: Can you pull a thing out of your forward, a

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Speaker 3: little piece of electronics?

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Speaker 1: You saw the video where he pulled.

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Speaker 5: That the little piece of the forward, and he figure,

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Speaker 5: He's like, this is the guy.

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Speaker 1: This is a eleven box.

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Speaker 5: I can do that, but not with my Ford. I

983
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Speaker 5: can do it with my Chevy.

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Speaker 7: I have a Chevy bolt and it's got this little

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Speaker 7: little it's not even a latch, it's a hook that

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Speaker 7: the false top and my hatchback, and it's constantly falling out.

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Speaker 7: And what I could do is I could pull it

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Speaker 7: out and say this is what you need to use.

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Speaker 7: You need to You can't use guerrilla glue. Gorilla glue

990
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Speaker 7: doesn't work. You need to use superglue like quick glue

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Speaker 7: in order to make it stay.

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Speaker 1: So I could fell asleep, but I'm not awake anymore.

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Speaker 5: Would be fascinated by that.

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Speaker 1: So boring, but it's the charm. Maybe I'm asleep now.

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Speaker 1: Is this all a dream?

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Speaker 7: That's the charm of Tim Walls. It's all ultimately boring,

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Speaker 7: and yet it's good. It's good boring. We could use

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Speaker 7: fine right as opposed to like, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, the stars exactly. Thank you, Peter, My pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Kelly Robinson is the president of the Human Rights Campaign.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Cali. Yeah, happy to be here, Delighted to have.

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Speaker 3: You start by telling us what your organization's name is

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Speaker 3: and what it does.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, we're the Human Rights Campaign where the largest civil

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Speaker 12: rights are organization focused on the LGBTQ plus community in.

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Speaker 8: The United States.

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Speaker 12: We've been around for forty years advocating fire issues, and

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Speaker 12: we'll be around until we're all.

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Speaker 8: The way free.

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Speaker 1: What will that look like?

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Speaker 12: You know, I think it's so interesting because it actually

1012
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Speaker 12: looks like the basics that everyone else has being true.

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Speaker 12: You know, earlier this week, I was talking to one

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Speaker 12: of our trans kids in Arizona and he was talking

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Speaker 12: about wanting to go to prom. I was talking to

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Speaker 12: one of the kids in Texas and this kid was

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Speaker 12: talking about getting a driver's license that had the correct

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Speaker 12: gender on it. So when I'm talking about us getting

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Speaker 12: all the way free, I'm talking about us being able

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Speaker 12: to live out loud, but like only when we are

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Speaker 12: just like everybody else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Republicans the attacks on transgender children, Like,

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Speaker 3: clearly they saw polls that showed their people liked it.

1024
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Speaker 3: But in my mind, I can think of nothing worse

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Speaker 3: than a group of people who are already targeted by

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Speaker 3: peers being targeted by adults in power.

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Speaker 12: Exactly, I mean, it's bullying and it's mean spirited. You

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Speaker 12: have whole adults. They're spending too much of their state

1029
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Speaker 12: legislative time attacking kids, trans kids, youth. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 12: I think that what has really happened is after Roe v.

1031
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Speaker 12: Wade was overturned, they thought they were going to be

1032
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Speaker 12: winning on abortion right. But then the twenty twenty two

1033
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Speaker 12: elections happened and we stomped on them right, with abortion

1034
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Speaker 12: ballot amendments winning all across the country, with anti abortion

1035
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Speaker 12: candidates losing.

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Speaker 8: And then the American Principles.

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Speaker 12: Project, their executive director Actor actually said this that after

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Speaker 12: that election cycle, they came together and we're throwing ideas

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Speaker 12: at the wall, and attacks on trans kids is what's stuck.

1040
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Speaker 12: So this is not about families, it's not about our kids.

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Speaker 12: It is about political power, and we've got to make

1042
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Speaker 12: sure that we're increasing visibility for our community and not

1043
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Speaker 12: allowing these bullies to try to build their political power

1044
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Speaker 12: in the backs of our kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's right, and I think so much.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have three teenagers and wants you is.

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Speaker 3: LGBTQ, and I come from a groovy family where people

1048
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Speaker 3: are allowed to be however they want to be. So

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Speaker 3: I've always been with my kids like you are who

1050
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Speaker 3: you are. But one of my kids is a lot

1051
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Speaker 3: of friends who being a teenager is hard, Being a

1052
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Speaker 3: trans teenager is ten times harder, being an LGBTQ teenager is.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's all hard, and we have a Republican

1054
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Speaker 3: government that is obsessed with making it harder exactly.

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Speaker 12: But the thing I always want to say is that

1056
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Speaker 12: it's not hard for a kid that is trans to

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Speaker 12: be trans. What's hard is that they're living in an

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Speaker 12: environment that doesn't support them in their identity and forces

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Speaker 12: them to try to be somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Right, So we got to fix the environment because these

1062
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Speaker 12: kids are amazing. And I think one of the other

1063
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Speaker 12: sides of this is that our opposition is scared. They

1064
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Speaker 12: see the same numbers that I see. Thirty percent of

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Speaker 12: Generation Z identify as a member of our community, many

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Speaker 12: of them being trans.

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Speaker 8: Or non binary.

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Speaker 12: They know that if this demographic can be fully who

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Speaker 12: they are, they are never going to see political power ever.

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Speaker 8: Again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and good, but it is interesting because they will

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Speaker 3: quote that number as a reason why it has to

1073
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Speaker 3: be stopped, Like they'll say, why is it more kids

1074
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Speaker 3: than it was before, and they never put it together

1075
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Speaker 3: that finally people feel a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit safe to be who they are exactly exactly.

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Speaker 12: And you know, queer and trans people we have always

1078
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Speaker 12: been here. These identities are not something new. But what

1079
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Speaker 12: is changing is the environment that we're in. I mean,

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Speaker 12: you've got culture creators like Beyonce that put ballroom and

1081
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Speaker 12: black clear culture on center stage. Yeah, you got Tracy

1082
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Speaker 12: Chapman's Fast Card now being sung in country music bars.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 12: Queer people have always been a part of the fabric

1085
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Speaker 12: of our nation, and now I think what scares them

1086
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Speaker 12: is that we're out of the closet and we're letting

1087
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Speaker 12: people know about it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: But for me and I think that's the power of

1090
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Speaker 12: being at the DNC, is that in spaces like this,

1091
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Speaker 12: we're not afraid of the.

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Speaker 8: Diversity of America. No, it's true, we understand it's our

1093
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Speaker 8: greatest strength.

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Speaker 3: What does your organization do in this sphere, Like, what

1095
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Speaker 3: are the sort of nons and bolts that you guys do.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, we are laser focused on making sure that

1097
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Speaker 12: we get Kamala Harris elected as president and Tim Wallas

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Speaker 12: as vice president. You know, I think for the first

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Speaker 12: time ever having a vice presidentidential candidate introduced to the

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Speaker 12: country with a story about how he was an advisor

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Speaker 12: yes for a gay Straight alliance.

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Speaker 8: That's incredible.

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Speaker 12: I mean you look back ten or fifteen years, that

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Speaker 12: story wouldn't have been told as a testament to his

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Speaker 12: character in the way that it was. So we're really

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Speaker 12: making sure that at the federal levels, we're electing people

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Speaker 12: that will advocate for the LGBTQ plus community. But also

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Speaker 12: looking down the ticket right, looking at the United States Senate,

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Speaker 12: looking at the United States House of Congress, looking at

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Speaker 12: state legislatures. So here we're all about making sure that

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Speaker 12: candidates get elected that will support us and letting people

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Speaker 12: know what we expect when they are in office, because

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Speaker 12: at the end of the day, you know, the election

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Speaker 12: is only a moment in time, a very important moment,

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Speaker 12: but just a moment. We have to make sure that

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Speaker 12: people are ready to advocate for those people that we elect,

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Speaker 12: to put in place laws and policies that protect us.

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Speaker 12: And to do that you need the president, but you

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Speaker 12: need a lot more folks to to support it.

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Speaker 1: Are you heartened by the codifying of gay marriage, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's because that was the one thing when

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Speaker 1: they were codifying things, there was the one thing that passed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, passed with bipartisan support.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, you couldn't pass anything that wasn't bipartisans

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Speaker 3: exactly in one way, despite all the bad news, that

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Speaker 3: was a bright spot.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And the real impact of that, I mean, I've

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Speaker 12: talked to families all the time, is that the federal

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Speaker 12: benefits that come along with marriage allow people to live.

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Speaker 12: I was just talking to a couple. They've been together

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Speaker 12: twenty nine years. Is Trina and Holly in Pennsylvania. They've

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Speaker 12: been together twenty nine years by heart, but nine years

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Speaker 12: by law. And I asked him, like, why was it

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Speaker 12: so important for you to get legal marriage, and they said,

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Speaker 12: because we have a child. If we moved out of

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Speaker 12: the state that we're in, it's not guaranteed that both

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Speaker 12: of us would be recognized as that child's parents. So

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Speaker 12: when you think about the federal benefits, the ability to

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Speaker 12: care for your.

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Speaker 3: Family, because I was pregnant and we needed insurance, exactly,

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Speaker 3: he had insurance and I didn't. I mean, I love

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Speaker 3: him too, but we've been married for ten million years.

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Speaker 12: But yes, yeah, but a marriage is not just about

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Speaker 12: the party. It's about all the benefits that come and

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00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 12: the way that it validates your relationships and your.

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Speaker 1: Love and also you protect your kids.

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Speaker 8: Exactly. Yeah, and the rest aren't off the table.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you say, I'll have the Supreme Court saying

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Speaker 12: that they want to revisit at Bergefell and Windsor and Lawrence.

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Speaker 12: I mean, we have to be really mindful that with

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Speaker 12: Roe v. Wade being overturned, it has opened the door.

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Speaker 8: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. You are amazing.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Andandy Patinkin is an actor and singer known for his

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Speaker 2: work in the Princess Bride, Homeland, as well as Broadway

1157
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: and countless other performances.

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Speaker 3: I am like brought back the yen to aesthetic. Okay,

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Speaker 3: because I have. You know, I'm the Jewish mother? Am

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Speaker 3: I a Jewish mother?

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Speaker 1: The worst?

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Speaker 13: The do you have children?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god?

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Speaker 13: How many do you have a lot?

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Speaker 1: Like two many?

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Speaker 13: Like the lady with the shoe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have.

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Speaker 3: I was the only child of my mother because she

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Speaker 3: was thirty seven when she had me.

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Speaker 1: Feminists didn't want to have kids, forget it. I have

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Speaker 1: three kids. One is twenty and two or sixteen?

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Speaker 13: Are they twins?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And all I do is yen to.

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Speaker 3: Them identical, no fraternal, but like all I do is

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Speaker 3: say and then you're going to go here. You'll do

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Speaker 3: this New York City, right, act tutor, and you have

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Speaker 3: this and you have that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're like, be busier because we.

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Speaker 3: Can't stand you basically in a nice way, right, Jessie

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Speaker 3: isn't in a nice way?

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Speaker 1: Not really? Now I have one kid?

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Speaker 13: Are you a good cook? Do you feed them?

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Speaker 1: What are you kidding me? I'm a Jewish?

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Speaker 13: Where do you get their dinner?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 13: Where do you get it from?

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Speaker 1: It is willed to arrive.

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Speaker 13: You remember silver Palette on Columbus and you were Sheila.

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Speaker 13: I don't remember her name. We have the cookbook, but

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Speaker 13: my wife would bring home. Her idea of cooking was

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Speaker 13: when the kids were like two, three, four, five through

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Speaker 13: you know eighteen, put twelve things on the table.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: There are many opportunities to eat.

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Speaker 13: She can burn water, my wife. But both my sons

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Speaker 13: are extraordinary cool.

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Speaker 3: See this is a sign you're a feminist. Okay, welcome

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Speaker 3: to mad talking.

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Speaker 13: I'm talking about burning the water.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be on.

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Speaker 13: Me as we were almost thrown out of our buildings.

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Speaker 1: In the podcast, we.

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Speaker 13: Were almost thrown out of our building because yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 1: Do you still live in New York? Yes, it sounded

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Speaker 1: like you lived in Chicago.

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Speaker 13: I'm from Chicago, South side of Chicago. Yes, but the

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Speaker 13: fire department came regularly to our building in New York

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Speaker 13: because she left the water boiling and then the pots

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Speaker 13: would burn, and then we were asked essentially to leave

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Speaker 13: the building.

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Speaker 1: It's a victimless crime. Bad cooking.

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Speaker 13: Actually maybe no, what it is, it's uh, you know,

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00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 13: she hates cooking, she hates technology. She can't learn how

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Speaker 13: to work the phone or her computer. Yeahs, she becomes

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Speaker 13: you know, just jeckl and hide. It's it's frightening.

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Speaker 1: You're an iconic actor. I'm sorry to tell you.

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Speaker 8: You know who you're talking to.

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Speaker 3: And you also you have strong political beliefs.

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Speaker 1: Where did they come from? How did you get there?

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Speaker 13: They came from my wife around the dinner table, my wife,

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Speaker 13: Catherine Grodie, who brought our two sons and Isaac up

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Speaker 13: along with the third son, Mandy, and taught us our

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 13: political beliefs. Literally, she educated all of us in ways

1224
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Speaker 13: that when she asked me, were my parents' Democrats? Or Republicans.

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Speaker 13: I'm from the South side of Chicago. We went to

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Speaker 13: Congregation roadte phase Etach and I honestly answered her, I

1227
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Speaker 13: don't know. They were just men's club and sisterhood. I

1228
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Speaker 13: never knew what their political affiliations were. And then we

1229
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Speaker 13: just she just brought us along. And then when we

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Speaker 13: started doing concerts, when every cause came up, we we would,

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Speaker 13: you know, put out the word at the end of

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Speaker 13: the concert, so we didn't bother people. The kids would

1233
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Speaker 13: come up, we'd put out a box, we'd you know,

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Speaker 13: raise a lot of money for wonderful causes. You know,

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Speaker 13: we I could, you know, a whole list of things

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Speaker 13: that we did over the years, and it became the

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Speaker 13: privilege of my life to do political work. When I

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Speaker 13: was shooting Homeland, I got to Berlin in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 13: so I think that was a fourth or fifth season,

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Speaker 13: and it was when the Syrian refugees were, you know,

1241
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Speaker 13: making the trek across the Balkan route to try to

1242
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Speaker 13: get to Germany, ironically, of all places, and the first

1243
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Speaker 13: episode of that season was in a Syrian refugee camp

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Speaker 13: and a fictional Telember and I'm thinking to myself, I'm

1245
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 13: looking at these photographs of children and husbands, wives, and

1246
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 13: I'm thinking, that's my family, those are my children, those

1247
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Speaker 13: are my kids, that's my fav I need to be

1248
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Speaker 13: with those people. So I made phone calls and I

1249
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 13: got Ruth Messenger on the phone, who's a friend of ours.

1250
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Speaker 13: We work with often and we care deeply about her.

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Speaker 13: She really walks the walk and you know she is

1252
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 13: done talked to talk. She's the real deal. And she said,

1253
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Speaker 13: get with the IRC and she told me who to call.

1254
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Speaker 13: And the day Homeland shooting was over. In that season

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Speaker 13: in Berlin, I was on the first plane to Lesvos

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Speaker 13: Grease and within moments a little girl in a pink

1257
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Speaker 13: jacket was put into my arms. I wanted to just

1258
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Speaker 13: walk with people and give them comfort. And I thought

1259
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Speaker 13: the child had died. She had a face mask on.

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Speaker 13: She had an epileptic fit. In the boat. We got

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Speaker 13: her immediate medical care. Family got separated. We brought them

1262
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Speaker 13: together and other people that we met, you know, we

1263
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Speaker 13: got them on the train and on the on the

1264
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Speaker 13: ships to get them to Germany. And it changed my life.

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Speaker 13: When you go around with organizations like the International Rescue

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Speaker 13: Committee and you see the beautiful work they're doing to

1267
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Speaker 13: make people more aware of the refugee crisis and teach

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Speaker 13: people how to welcome them into your country because you

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00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 13: were the product of a refugee at one point. Everyone

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Speaker 13: virtually in America is It's very moving to see these women,

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00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 13: basically who have watched their family be literally dismembered in

1272
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Speaker 13: front of their eyes, and yet they get their strength back.

1273
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Speaker 13: They build huts with their own hands, spend two hours

1274
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Speaker 13: a day to bring food to their children, to take

1275
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Speaker 13: them to school. And those are the ideas that Kamala Harrison,

1276
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 13: Tim Waltz care about. They care about humanity. David Miliband,

1277
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Speaker 13: who's the head of.

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Speaker 1: International Rescue Committee.

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Speaker 13: I was speaking one somewhere with him, and out of

1280
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Speaker 13: the blue, I just said, you know, I'm not a politician.

1281
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 13: I'm a humanitician. I care about human beings, all human

1282
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 13: beings all over the world. There are people on the

1283
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 13: other side of the political equation right now that care

1284
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 13: less about others and care more about themselves. And it's

1285
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 13: unconscionable and the level of hate rhetoric and violence and

1286
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 13: ego and no regard for the law of the constitution

1287
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 13: or democracy or the voting system all of it takes

1288
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 13: your breath away, it makes you dizzy. You really need

1289
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 13: to sit down and gather yourself. Joe Biden has done

1290
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 13: a wonderful job of rescuing our country and had the

1291
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 13: graciousness to pass the baton because we all get older.

1292
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 13: I'm getting older, girl, I'm getting older. And he said, Kama,

1293
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 13: take us, take us there, And she's taken us there,

1294
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 13: and we're going to change not just the United States,

1295
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 13: but we're going to support world democracy, morality, ethics, people

1296
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 13: who care about human beings. And that's what America is about,

1297
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 13: and that's what melez about. You know it in her smile,

1298
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 13: for God's sakes, And when you hear Tim Walls speak,

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Speaker 13: you knew it immediately that this was a teacher for

1300
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 13: all of us, not just a coach, but a teacher.

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01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 13: We've had the blessing of Joe Biden, and now we

1302
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 13: have this blessing. It reminds me my piano player retired

1303
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 13: in twenty fifteen after thirty years.

1304
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Speaker 8: Then I got a.

1305
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 13: New piano player, and I look up into the sky

1306
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 13: and I go, how come, how do I get these

1307
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 13: two people in my life that know my heart beat

1308
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 13: and hear me and I can make music with Well,

1309
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 13: if you work for Kamala Harrison, you get her and

1310
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 13: Tim Watson, you get them elected. And you do what

1311
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 13: you can as an individual. Don't think that you don't

1312
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 13: have power. If you don't have a lot of money,

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Speaker 13: or you're not a notable person or have a radio

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Speaker 13: show or whatever. You have a vote. And there's nothing

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Speaker 13: more important in this world at this moment than the

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Speaker 13: power of your vote. And go knock on doors, Tell

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Speaker 13: one person, give yourself a goal. Like they said the

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Speaker 13: other night, five people, finish doing that. Contact ten people. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: finish doing that. And you know, don't wait till Monday

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Speaker 13: to start your diet.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's a good point.

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Speaker 13: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for what

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Speaker 13: you're doing.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds

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Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend

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Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.