1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, President Trump announced over 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: the weekend and his social media platform Truth Social that 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: he expected he would be arrested on Tuesday in New York. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: His announcement has brought the attention of his supporters and 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: detractors alike to look more closely at the case and 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: at the potential charges. The district attorney New York Man 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: died against him, but no one has looked extensively at 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg. What is his background, who 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: was his election funded by? And is he filing this 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: case as a political maneuver. Here to help answer these 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: questions about Alvin Bragg, I'm really pleased to welcome my 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: guest and my good friend, Sean Kennedy. Sean is the 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: policy director at the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, co 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: author of the two twenty two report Justice for Sale, 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: How George saw Us put radical prosecutors in power, tracing 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: the campaign money in political networks that supported the rise 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: of progressive prosecutors, who, of course refused to prosecute. Sean 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: is also the president of Virginians for Safe Communities, as 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: citizen led group advocating for the ulstra of radical prosecutors. 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: In Northern Virginia. He's extraordinarily bright, and I'm very grateful 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: to him for joining us because he's done some very 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: original work that I think is very relevant. Sean, welcome 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining me on news World. Well, 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: thank you for having me speaker. But I'm kind of 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: fascinated from your work on Sorrows. You sort of developed 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: an insight this unique, as you know. On Saturday, March eighteenth, 27 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: Trump posted on truth Social that he believes he will 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: be arrested on Tuesday, March twenty First, can you outline 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: what the allegations against him are. The allegations are that 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: he falsified business records in pursuit of giving hush money 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: to the former adult film actors Stormy Daniels to cover 32 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: up an affair. And this is all tied back to 33 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: some of the indictments that came against his accountant and 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen, his former attorney, who are all tied into 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: a series of different scandals, at least in the media 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: related to Trump's business dealings or political dealings related to 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: his business in the Trump organization. But this case is 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: now years old and it relates directly to something that 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: happened in late twenty sixteen, so the clock is ticking 40 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: on the statute of limitations on this basically paperwork crime. 41 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: So here we are six and a half years later, 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: and normally, as I understand it, this would be considered 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: hey misdemeanor. At most, it's pursuit of fraudulent business records, 44 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: so it could be a low level felony, but it's 45 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: certainly not something that would entail a lot of jail. 46 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: And in most cases, when these cases are resolved or 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: disposed of by a prosecutor, they're usually finds involved or 48 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: no jail time, and most of the people involved don't 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: go to jail. They may lose assets or somehow pay 50 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: a fine to the government, but rarely do these people 51 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: get certainly frog marched out and arrested for committing what 52 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: amounts to a paperwork crime. And in no sense was 53 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: any money stolen, even in any of the accusations by 54 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: the former president. It isn't there though. So the history 55 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: with the Manhattan District Attorney's Office yea. So Alvin Bragg 56 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: is the successor to a guy named Cyrus Vance who 57 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: was the long time DA there, and Syvance comes from 58 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: a very prominent political family in Manhattan, and from best 59 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: we can see, Syvance was always a liberal, or even 60 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: a progressive to say that, but Syvrance was not a radical. 61 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: And the last few years of Syvance's term he was 62 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: getting a lot of pushback from the progressive forces, and 63 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: particularly after Floyd, that he was less than pure and 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: he tried to attack to the letter. You can see 65 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: that from the data and some of his political statements. 66 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: But Sivant saw the writing on the wall and bowed out. 67 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty one, series of people jumped into 68 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: the primary, because the Democratic primary is the game in 69 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: town in Manhattan obviously, and one of them was Alvin Bragg, 70 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: who's a former aide to Elliot Spitzer in the New 71 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: York Attorney General's Office and Eric Schneiderman in the New 72 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: York Attorneys General's Office and involved in a lot of 73 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: liberal causes. And Alvin Bragg jumped in with the assistance 74 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: of George Soros. For want of a better word, there 75 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: was a one million dollar contribution, the only contribution made 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: to Color of Change in New York by George Soros, 77 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: and then a million dollars appeared in support of Alvin Bragg, 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: and then another seventy two thousand dollars directly from a 79 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: group called New York Justice and Public Safety Pack, which 80 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: is exclusively and solely funded by George Soros. Also went 81 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: to Alvin Bragg in his primary and he prevailed. He 82 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly won that primary, and because that is the game 83 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: in town, the Republican was soundly defeated and trounced in 84 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the November election, and he came into office last year 85 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two as the new district Attorney. Now, 86 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: as I understand that Bragg actually tried to back off 87 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: and decided not to proceed with the case, and two 88 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: of the prosecutors who were living then investigation then resigned. 89 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, is that accurate? Yes, Two of Alvin Bragg's 90 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: deputies basically got huffey and went to the press and 91 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: said that Alvin Bragg was not pursuing this fervently enough 92 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: and that Trump needed to be pursued more vehemently. We 93 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: actually saw something. They're similar with Tish James, who the 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: Attorney General New York, where some of the people in 95 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: her office thought she wasn't being full throated enough and 96 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: then suddenly indictments come down against the Trump organization within 97 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: a few months. So there's a sense that there was 98 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: pressure put internally on Alvin Bragg as well as Tish 99 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: James to bring those indictments. So there is a history 100 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: here of political pressure. And I'll bring up one thing 101 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: that's curious about this that it's now coming as Trump 102 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: has already declared, and it's been, as you said, six 103 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: and a half years since the offense occurred, and this 104 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: case was already being considered under sivance, but they didn't proceed. 105 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: It was considered all last year and it wasn't preceded 106 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: by the district Attorney Bragg. We saw something late last 107 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: year which has much more serious consequences for the family 108 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: and obviously public safety, where a political pressure campaign resulted 109 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: in the dismissal of murder charges against a woman named 110 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: Tracy McCarter who committed murder three years ago. Now, she 111 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: killed her husband, who supposedly showed up drunk and she 112 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: said abused her. And those charges were initially pled out 113 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: to no jail time, but the judge said that's not 114 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: sufficient and rejected the Polee deal. Then they downgraded the 115 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: charges to involuntary manslaughter, and the judge again said that's 116 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: not sufficient, and rejected the Polee deal after a protest, 117 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: a public protest by color of changes, I said the 118 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: one million dollar contributor to Alvin Bragg's campaign in a 119 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: series of media stories that they pushed. He dropped all 120 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: the charges in November. So there's evidence already that political 121 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: pressure campaigns have led Alvin Bragg to take actions. So 122 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: the question here is why is Alvin Bragg doing an 123 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: about face after dragging his feet and not pursuing this 124 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: case right now? You know? It's actually Tom Wolfe wrote 125 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: Bonfire of the Vanities about a New York financier who 126 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: gets involved in a hit and run case that would 127 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: normally have not amounted to going to jail, but that 128 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: the prosecutor and the judge came under such enormous political 129 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: pressure that they decided to make an example of this guy. 130 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: It's an amazing book, it became a movie with Tom Hanks, 131 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: and in some ways Bragg is would have engaged, it 132 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: seems to me in almost an exact parallel to that novel, 133 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: and that he tried to back off and they thought 134 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: he had a weak case, and the political pressure now 135 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: was pushed him back into pursuing a weak case. We 136 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: see this time and time again with prosecutors, and it 137 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: happens across the country where political pressure is brought to 138 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: the fore even though there is no case or it's 139 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: a weak case, and it's particularly not a good use 140 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: of public resources to pursue the case or to not 141 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: pursue the case. And it's deeply concerning that this is 142 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: something that the district attorney in Manhattan feels as a 143 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: priority for his office. But he didn't feel was a 144 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: priority only last year. Mid last year. He wasn't pursuing it. 145 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: He wasn't full throated in that he hadn't gone to 146 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: get an indictment in front of a grand jury. And 147 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: now all the dominoes are falling and he's doing so. 148 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: The idea that outside pressure is corrupting, and that's really 149 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: the word here, corrupting a judicial process that is supposed 150 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: to be and impartial and seek justice first and foremost 151 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: is deeply concerning. And we are seeing this across the 152 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: country progressive prosecutors, where political cases are being made against 153 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: the police or against people that they find to be 154 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: political enemies. And here is a case in point where 155 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: why is this a priority in Manhattan that has been 156 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: completely overrun by crime and quality of life concerns, and 157 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: this is the top priority, and this is costing millions 158 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: of dollars in manpower and other state resources to pursue 159 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: in lieu of what Can you talk a little bit 160 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: about how much Bragg has done to make New York 161 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: more dangerous by downgrading what it would be real crimes 162 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: that involved public safety. They're not just as you put 163 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: out earlier. It's not just about paperwork. These are really 164 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: serious crimes which he refuses to deal with. Yeah, we've 165 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: seen a huge drop in the number of felony cases 166 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: that are being disposed of as felonies, so they're being 167 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: dropped down to misdemeanors, which often entail no jail time. 168 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: People are running through the revolving door of the courthouses 169 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: in Manhattan getting slaps on the wrist to sentencing. Median 170 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: sentence length is dropping, the number of people actually going 171 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: to be incarcerated for crimes is falling, and the number 172 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: of random and truly violent attacks by individuals who shouldn't 173 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: have been on the street is skyrocketing. We saw data 174 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: to come out last year from the NYPD that showed 175 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: that because of the bail reform laws, which are part 176 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: and parcel of this push towards criminal leniency. We've seen 177 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: a huge jump, actually a doubling in what's called the 178 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: sixty day re arrest rate for a series of not 179 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: necessarily the crimes, but serious property crimes, grand theft, burglary. 180 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: We're seeing people go from seven or eight percent of 181 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: these people being re arrested within sixty days to twenty 182 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: three percent in burglary cases, twenty two percent in auto 183 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: theft cases. So one out of five people arrested for 184 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: auto theft are rearrested for auto theft within sixty days. 185 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: That means there are more offenses by the same number 186 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: of offenders because we're not prosecuting. This is a prosecutorial failure. 187 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: It's not the police. The police lock them up. The 188 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: police are doing their job, but when they get to 189 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: the courthouse, the people in power, like Alvin Bragg aren't 190 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 1: doing theirs, and the result is chaos and mayhem on 191 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: the streets. The Edition of Columbia police chief said recently 192 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: that the average murderer in DC had been arrested eleven 193 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: times before he killed somebody, and that is not uncommon 194 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: in these jurisdictions of lawlessness by the prosecutor. I worked 195 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: a lot on Baltimore crime and we see the numbers 196 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: between seven and fifteen on average, the average homicide suspect 197 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: has been arrested prior. Almost fifty percent of them have 198 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: been previously arrested for a violent crime, and forty percent 199 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: have been arrested for a weapons related crime that isn't 200 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: necessarily a violent crime to just carrying an illegal gun. 201 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: So we know that these are precursor crimes. So we're 202 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: only allowing these sort of failures of the justice system 203 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: to contribute to more mayhem and more violence because we're 204 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: not nipping it in the bud when we have the chance. Well, 205 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: in the midst of Bragg trying to make whatever Trump 206 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: did seven years ago basically it's a paper issue. He also, 207 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: as you know, issued a January third, twenty twenty two 208 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: memo that is pretty startling in terms of his description 209 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: of who he will and will not try. Can you 210 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: comment for a little bit about that, because the memo's 211 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: astonishing it is, and he backtracked, But we've seen this 212 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: again and again where they backtrack in the media. They 213 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: get their press release saying that's not what I'm going 214 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: to do. And then he goes about doing it without 215 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: putting it on paper as a memo or official policy. 216 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: So he basically said that a lot of low level 217 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: we're considered low level, but are truly quality of life 218 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: and often can be simple assault and things like that 219 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,119 Speaker 1: that are violent crimes but aren't necessarily top level felonies, 220 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: would not be pursued and certainly not be pursued for 221 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: anything more than a slap on the wrist or some 222 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: type of fine. And the result of that is to 223 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: encourage people to commit more of these offenses, or at 224 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: least to allow them to be free so that they 225 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: can go on to commit more of these offenses. And 226 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: then he came out and said, oh, well, that's not 227 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: really what I meant. I'm not going to do that. 228 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: You misinterpreted it. It's always a mischaracterization by the media. 229 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: It's always somebody else's fault. And we actually just saw 230 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: this same policy play out in Loudon County, which I 231 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: know a lot of people are familiar with it because 232 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: of the school board issue there where there have been 233 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: a series of sexual assaults that have been covered up 234 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: in the schools. The prosecutor there was engaged in some 235 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: of that where they gave the perpetrator leniency who attacked 236 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: two different girls at two different schools. And in that case, 237 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: she issued a memo in January this year saying that 238 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: she wouldn't prosecute things like hit and run, eluding the 239 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,239 Speaker 1: police in a series of other which she called mistermeaners, 240 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: but in fact our felonies and other jurisdictions, And she 241 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: said because she's overloaded and overworked with crime. But she 242 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: also says crime is down, so it was a little 243 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: bit of a cognitive dissonance there. But that has gotten 244 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: a lot of blowback as well, because we've seen the 245 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: same policy, whether explicit or implicit, throughout the country with 246 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: these progressive prosecutors including Alvin Bragg and the Woman in 247 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: Loud and Buddha Biberai Larry Krasner in Philadelphia, where quality 248 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: of life crimes, property crimes, and other crimes where there's 249 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: a perceived sense of inequity or some harm to the 250 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: perpetrator based on a class or race or whatnot will 251 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: not be pursued. The irony of of course being is 252 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: that the victims come from the same communities as the perpetrators, 253 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: so there's just more disadvantaged victims in the pursuit of 254 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: some type of justice for the perpetrators. And it's become 255 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: a policy across the country which has created chaos. You 256 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: see it in Austin, Texas, where we have a Soros DA. 257 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: You've seen it in Philadelphia. We've talked about in Chicago, 258 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: in St. Louis, and in Chicago and St. Louis. The 259 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: result has been in Philadelphia particularly, has been sky rocketing 260 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: violence because the same people as you mentioned who commit 261 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: murder have committed precursor crimes that they never saw justice for. 262 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: When you look at all this, and you've looked at 263 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: this across the whole country and your research, what do 264 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: you think these prosecutors believe about how the world works? 265 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they're adopting policies that guarantee that bad people 266 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: who do bad things are going to be back on 267 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: the street. What's the underlying ideological or philosophical or psychological 268 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: rationale that you as you look at these not just 269 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: in New York but literally as you point out Saint Louis, 270 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco, unto Budaux, the Philadelphy case, which may be 271 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: the worst of the country, what do you think they 272 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: actually think, well, I think some of them are true radicals, 273 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: Larry Krasner. Chesi Boudine in San Francisco and others are 274 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: basically under the sway of their donors, or they have 275 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: political ambitions that they think their donor class or their 276 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: base wants to see pursued. So they're going to run 277 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: for attorney general in Virginia. We know a number of 278 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: the liberal district attorneys here in northern Virginia have made 279 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: noises that they eventually want to seek statewide office. We 280 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: see others want to join sort of the social justice 281 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: grifter industry for one of a better word, run by 282 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: the ACLU and color Change and other source funded or 283 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: affiliated groups where they're going to go on and make 284 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: a lot of money, is on a speaking circuit and 285 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: get university appointment as a visiting fellow or whatnot. But 286 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: then there are true radicals like Chesi Boudin's family, as 287 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: you've pointed out a number of times, where actually both 288 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: his parents were whether underground members who killed cops in 289 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: the seventies in the early eighties, and then he was 290 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: then adopted by Bill Ayers. You can't make this stuff up, 291 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: Larry Krasner, before he became the district attorney in Philadelphia, 292 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: sued the Police Department of Philadelphia seventy five times. He 293 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: is a true believer. He is not a cipher or 294 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: some type of patsy for these liberal groups, but others are. 295 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that many of them could tell you 296 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: what they're even doing. They've been handed a script and 297 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: they're following it. They don't necessarily think terribly independently. Some 298 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: of these memos, these policy memos about non prosecution, are 299 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: very cookie cutter. They're almost identical from jurisdiction to jurisdiction 300 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: in other places like San Francisco or Philadelphia. They were 301 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: radicals before they were discovered by some of these leftist networks, 302 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: and they were just boosted by them. And many of 303 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: the others are there for political ambition. But even if 304 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: you take all that into account, what do you think 305 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: they think will happen if they put murderers back on 306 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: the street. They rightly believe. I think that these people 307 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: who go on to kill or commit these crimes are 308 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: victims of a system. They believe in systemic oppression. They 309 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: believe in a systemic capitalism as some kind of oppressor. 310 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: They believe in systemic racism and that these are what 311 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: led people to commit these crimes, and if only we 312 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: pack them on the head and give them another chance, 313 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: they'll go on to be upstanding citizens. Because they want 314 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: to take down in a lot of ways the criminal 315 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: justice system as it is. I mean, some of the 316 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: same people who are now district attorneys use very similar 317 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: or coded language to the people who want to abolish 318 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: prisons or abolish the police. And they really believe the 319 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: criminal justice system is so irredeemably broken that there's no 320 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: amount of reform. The only way to fix it is 321 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: to blow it up from the inside, and they're actively 322 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: engaged in doing that. And some of them really think 323 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: that their policies have no consequence when it comes to criminals, 324 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: and it's just complete randomness and happenstance that the same 325 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: people go on to commit more crimes in their jurisdiction 326 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: or other jurisdictions, and they had no means by which 327 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: to solve that problem. From their standpoint, the person who 328 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: just killed somebody is themselves a victim, not guilty. This 329 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: is the old trope that poverty causes crime, or that 330 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: people who are somehow being discriminated against their oppressed are 331 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: not fully culpable for their actions, because people who've encountered 332 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: domestic abuse or sexual abuse who go on to commit 333 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: further crimes are less than responsible. And you know what 334 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: I always say to that is I use the famous 335 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: scribe hl mancon He's the Sage of Baltimore, as he 336 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: was called. He said, to say poverty causes crime is 337 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: a slander against the poor. There are hundreds of thousands 338 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: of people across this country who have experienced the same 339 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: circumstances as murderers, who face severe mental illness, severe abuse, 340 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: even discrimination for that matter, and they don't commit these 341 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: horrific acts. And we're basically saying you're all the same. 342 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: Because you have certain circumstances, you are destined and therefore 343 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: allowed to commit horrific crimes against others. And that's sort 344 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: of their philosophy. If I could boil it down anything, 345 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: what do you see happening now with Trump and with Manhattan. 346 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is going to be a 347 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: bare knuckle brawl where obviously the former president doesn't pull punches, 348 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: and he's not going to take a step back and 349 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: say this was a fair decision to indict I think 350 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: Bragg is equally going to dig in his heels and 351 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: it's going to play out in the media. You can 352 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: indict of ham Sandwich. As they say, grand jury indictments 353 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: are one sided affairs. There's no adversarial system, So whatever 354 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: indictment comes down is not necessarily an unbiased one. But 355 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: we're going to have to decide what are the priorities 356 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: of district attorneys like Alvin Bragg in a city which 357 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: is rife with crime right now and people feel unsafe 358 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: and the severity and scope of President Trump's actions, regardless 359 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: of the substance of them, is this the priority for 360 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the district attorney of Manhattan, one of the most populous 361 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: jurisdictions and obviously the heart of the American economy. People 362 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: need to have faith in our justice system. They need 363 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: to believe it's unbiased, and this is going to call 364 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: that into question. People who look at the totality of 365 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: the New York justice system and say that the State 366 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: of New York is one of the sickest and most 367 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: dishonest systems of applying the law in the whole country 368 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: is ripe with favoritism and ripe with selective prosecution. Is 369 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: that your sensor. Do you think that's an exaggeration. I mean, 370 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: I think everyone from the judges down to the police 371 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: is different. There are corrupt cops out there and there 372 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: are great cops out there. They're bad district attorneys, they're 373 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: bad judges. On the whole. New York has a systemic 374 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: problem with what the priorities are of the system and 375 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: who gets what they want and from the Attorney General's 376 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: investigations and what her priorities are Tish James to what 377 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg is doing to their predecessors for that matter, 378 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: where they're trying to make a political future out of prosecutions, 379 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: not do their job. They're not letting the results speak 380 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: for themselves. They're about having press conferences and turning a 381 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: blind eye to the quality of life issues. I mean, 382 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: people are being pushed onto the subway tracks in Manhattan 383 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: right now. People are shooting up drugs in plane view 384 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: on the streets of New York. That doesn't make anyone 385 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: want to invest, that doesn't make anyone want to buy 386 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: another condo, that doesn't make anyone want to go visit 387 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: Manhattan as a tourist. And when that happens, people are 388 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: in pain. People who work there, people who live there 389 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: are less well off, and they're not serving their constituents 390 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: very well. They're not doing their job as public servants. 391 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: And anyone who would commit nepotism or political prosecution is 392 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: just as bad as somebody takes money to do something. 393 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: Even if this isn't a wee qui pro quo for 394 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: money to do this for a political favor or ambition. 395 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: If it's not the right thing to do, it's still 396 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. You know. A friend of mine wrote 397 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: me the following, and I've found it so startling, I 398 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: just want to share with you, he said. The last 399 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: three elected Attorney generals in New York where Elliot Spitzer 400 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: forced to resign when governor for procuring prostitutes, Andrew Cuomo 401 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: forced to resign as governor for harassing women, and Eric 402 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: Schneiderman forced to resign from that office due to alcohol 403 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: avenges where he brutally raped women. None of these men 404 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: were indicted. The current elected Attorney General, Letitia James, has 405 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: not changed the basic policies of these three men, pursued 406 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: political investigations without success, and did not look into the 407 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: charges that her appointed predecessor allowed Many documents from the 408 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Schneiderman era to be shredded. A special counsel whitewashed the 409 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: investigation of Schneiderman and then was appointed to the highest 410 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: court in New York, the Court of Appeals. Isn't that 411 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: all just sort of stunning? It is stunning about how 412 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: problematic it is. And to bring it back to the 413 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: topic at hand, as two of those three people were 414 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg's direct bosses. Both Elliot Spitzer and Eric Schneiderman 415 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: actually employed Alvin Bragg as a senior advisor in one 416 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: of the senior attorneys in their offices. So this isn't 417 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: a case where Alvin Bragg's hands are clean. He knew 418 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: about these things, he didn't speak up. He knew the 419 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: circumstances and the political prosecutions and the inappropriate behavior. He 420 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: had to at least heard about it, and he did nothing. 421 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: And now his priority once again is not to investigate 422 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: the wrongdoing that is going on in the state of 423 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: New York, much of it that's happened in Manhattan, which 424 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: would be his jurisdiction. But what the former president has done, 425 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly, is this the priority of his office. 426 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: His hands aren't clean, say the least. So there's a 427 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: lot of questions that arise about Alvin Bragg, what his 428 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: values are, what's loadstar, you know? And it may be 429 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: that this is the kind of unique moment whereby taking 430 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: on a former president of the United States, enough of 431 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: a spotlight is now going to come down to the 432 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: entire system of criminal justice in New York and in 433 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: New York City that it may lead to a rheumatic 434 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: sort of reshaping and reform of that process. Well, we 435 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: saw that moment happened. It took a long time in 436 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: New York itself, not necessarily the full criminal justice system, 437 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: but the policing approach and the prosecution approach in the 438 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties under Bill Bratton and Rudy Giuliani, where there 439 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: were over twenty four hundred homicides in the early nineties 440 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: a year in Manhattan. By the time Bill Bratton left 441 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: office in ninety seven, it was six hundred, and near 442 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: the end of Michael Bloomberg's term, it was three hundred. 443 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: The transformation of New York into one of the safest 444 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: jurisdictions in the United States, It's murder rate was actually 445 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: lower than the US average, not big city average, the 446 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: US average, that was astounding. And what it took was 447 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: a number of high profile incidences of corruption and crime 448 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: and just horrible violence to wake people up. And that's 449 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: what ushered in a reformist movement under Rudy Giuliani and 450 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: Bill Braden. This whole case and the level of attention 451 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: will be paid to it maybe a real turning point. 452 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: And frankly, your research. I was so delighted when you 453 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: contacted me and showed all the things you've already been doing. 454 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: It's really fortuitous for the country that you're doing the 455 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: work you're doing, and that you put together the material 456 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: of George Soros that you have. And I want to 457 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me talking about not just who 458 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: Alvit Bragg is, but the whole process by which the 459 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: Soros machine has made America more dangerous place. I really 460 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: appreciated to marry your work shot, and I want to 461 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me on Dutch World. Thank you, speaker, 462 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: and it's a pleasure. Thank you to my guest Sean Kennedy. 463 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: You can learn more about Soros da Alvin Bragg on 464 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: our showpage at Newtsworld dot com. News World is produced 465 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: by Gingwistreet sixty and iHeartMedia. 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