1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now Here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: And welcome back George Noori with you, Caroline Corey with Us. 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Caroline as an award winning filmmaker author. A couple of 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: her books include The Divine Plan, God among Us and 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: founder of the Omnium Method of Energy Medicine and Consciousness Studies. Caroline, 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: did you enjoy our panel A Conscious Life? 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 3: Oh? My god, it was so fun And I didn't 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: know you were so funny. Your jokes are awesome. You 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: did a great job. 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: We do that at some of our live stage shows 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: that way, and folks really look forward to it. We 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: break them up and we had people in stitches, didn't we. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't know. I have never seen 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: that show. I heard about it, but yeah, it was 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: a blast. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: I've seen you on Ancient Aliens. How you been? 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? Good? Actually, I just filmed like three episodes like 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: a month. So do you believe like it says season 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 3: what seventeen or something? 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: In nice? And it was one of the ideas of 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: Giorgio Sukolos and what a brilliant guy he is. 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: He is. Yeah. Absolutely. 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: What's your take on the afterlife? You believe it. 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I believe it. You know, I think I 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: told you my story a few times. I mean, I 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: told the story a few times. You know. I've been 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: seeing spirit and energy, subtle energy, like since I was 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: a child, and so you know, I kind of already 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: knew since I was a kid that there's something beyond 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: the physical. So growing up with these experiences just kept 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: me open to what is that, you know, what is 32 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: beyond the physical and where do we goure we pass? 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: So sometimes I would see a deceased relative of someone 34 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: I'm working with. Sometimes I would see like angels, and 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: so so it's a very comfortable subject for me, you know, 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: And and I guarantee that there isn't afterlife. I've seen 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: people actually pass and somehow get stuck here and I've 38 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 3: got to help them transition to other planes of reality. 39 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: So I mean, I've experienced that whole world just so 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: many times myself, and also through working with clients for 41 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: years and years and years. So it's definitely a true thing. 42 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: Did you ever have any doubts of its existence? 43 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: Not really, like I said, because you know, it's always 44 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: been part of my life to see beyond the physical 45 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: so it's you know, and like I said, sometimes I 46 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: would have clients who have a child or a friend 47 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: or a relative who's in a coma. I see them 48 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: leave the body, go somewhere else and then come back. 49 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 3: And then a lot of people call me because their 50 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: parent or grandparent is about to transition, and so I 51 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: get to see kind of where they're headed and who's 52 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: on the other side. So it's it's I've never really 53 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: had any doubt, no, especially I also had my own NDE, 54 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: so yeah, it's definitely true. Tell us about Actually it 55 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: was when I was seventeen, so about ten years ago, 56 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: and it was a car I had a very very 57 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: bad car accident. Yeah, I mean the car was completely totaled. 58 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: I hit my head on the dashboard, I broke my nose, 59 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: my cheekbones. Yeah, no seatbelt of course, kids, you know, 60 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: and you know the guy I was with, like he 61 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: had a few too many to drink, and you know, 62 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: he was showing off his new car. You know, silly 63 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: stuff too, you know. So of course, so I remember 64 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: just the the you know, like the the impact and 65 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: then I kind of slipped like under the seat, and 66 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: I remember somebody pulling me out of the window because 67 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: the door wouldn't open. And then I laid on the 68 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: on the sidewalks for a very long time, I think, 69 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: which felt like a very long time until the ambulance 70 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: came or something. And this is where I left my body. 71 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 3: So the rest of the time I was kind of 72 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: hovering above my body. The next time I saw the body, 73 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: I was already on a like on an operating table 74 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 3: and so and I kind of witnessed the operation because 75 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 3: my nose was very badly fractured. So that's kind of 76 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: how it's interesting because I didn't remember the NDE at 77 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: that time, like when I woke up from the operation. 78 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 3: Everything else, I remembered it later, and I don't know 79 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: why that is, but yeah, so that's how it happened 80 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: for me. 81 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: Which is kind of interesting too, is because when you 82 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: leave your body at the scene of the accident, you 83 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: probably followed it to the hospital. 84 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly, so, because like I passed out on 85 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: the sidewalk and then the next thing, yeah, I was 86 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: already in the operating room. So yeah, it's it's just 87 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: fascinating stuff. And I remember very well, like kind of 88 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: them putting me to sleep, you know, for the operation 89 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: and then just witnessing the whole thing. It was very long, 90 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: I guess it was. I was completely fractured my nose, 91 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: my check rope. Yeah, it was. 92 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: Really bad to heal up. 93 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: A year and a half, Oh my god. Yeah, so yeah, 94 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: it was hard. You know. I think it was like 95 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: the last year of high school or something, and it 96 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: was summertime, I remember, because all my friends were going 97 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 3: to the peek to the beach on holiday everything else, 98 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: and I was lying on my bed for a year 99 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: and a half to believe that. Because I also hurt 100 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: my back. I couldn't walk actually for a while. So 101 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: it was really really bad. 102 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: How do you feel now? Oh? 103 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: I feel awesome. I mean I still have the few 104 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: problems here and there, but nothing. I mean, I'm totally 105 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: like I function like a normal person. But I think 106 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: people create these experiences to have the opportunity to exit. So, 107 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: because that's something that I see all the time when 108 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: I work with people in a coma, I see them 109 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: outside the body, and then when I communicate with them, 110 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: they are kind of questioning, Okay, where am I at 111 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: this point in my life? Should I come back? Can 112 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: I come back? Is my body strong enough to continue 113 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: the journey or should I you know, move on. So 114 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: I think that's the We created this opportunity to be 115 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: outside the human experience completely and look down and assess 116 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: where we're at from that perspective. 117 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: Do you think herline is a new death experience? Is 118 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: something spiritual or is it tied to the complexity of 119 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: life somehow biologically? 120 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: Well, it's consciousness. Is basically, you are consciousness, and a 121 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: part of you is occupying your human body just like 122 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: a kiny. Part of the consciousness is inside the body 123 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: for a certain time for you know, fifty years, seventy years, 124 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: ninety years or whatever, and then when you're done, you 125 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: kind of your entire being goes back to the way 126 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 3: you were, which is consciousness. So it's all consciousness. You 127 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: don't cease to exist as consciousness. You just have like 128 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: a part of you, an aspect of you, do a 129 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 3: little bit of human stuff and then go back. So 130 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: it's not a biological I mean, it's it's it's your 131 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: consciousness that that's making your body function. It's making your 132 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: brain functions, making your you know, your whole body functions. 133 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: So when you when the consciousness leaves the body, then 134 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: the body dies. You know. So, so that that's the 135 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: idea basically. 136 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 2: Tell us about the evidence of the afterlife, what's out there. 137 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 3: Well, the evidence is, first of all, so many people 138 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: have had NDS, so it's not such an uncommon thing. 139 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: I'm actually surprised how many people report that. And you know, 140 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: we had to remember doctor Eben Alexander on our panel. Remember, Yeah, 141 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: he's one of my favorite examples of nd because he's 142 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: also a medical doctor and so he didn't believe in 143 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: any of this and for him to have that experience 144 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: and come back and tell us that he was literally 145 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: brain dead, and yet he remembers every thing he had, 146 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: you know, all these experiences on the other side, and 147 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: so so there's a lot of stories and reports of 148 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: people having had these experiences. We're not all crazy to 149 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: report these things. So that's you know, the evidence that 150 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: how can you be brain dead, completely brain dead, and 151 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: still have an experience. This means that the experience is 152 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: not bound to your body your the experience is outside 153 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: your body, and that means it's your consciousness. 154 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 2: It is remarkable to be sure, isn't it. 155 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, well, I mean the idea is, if you 156 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: have the opportunity to experience something like this, not that 157 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: you have to create something horrific to leave your body, 158 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: but even through meditation, as you know, you have the 159 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: ability to experience what's beyond the physical. But if you 160 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 3: begin to imagine or if you you know, like in 161 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: my case, I'm very lucky because I work with so 162 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: many people and I could see, you know, their grandparents, 163 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: their you know, diseased relatives. Sometimes it's their children unfortunately. 164 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 3: So you know, it gives you a sense of of course, 165 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: that you are infinite. This life is not the end 166 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: of everything. And if that's the case, then what is 167 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: this life about. It's almost it makes it even more 168 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: precious that you're only here temporarily. And then you go 169 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: back to that thing that you were so to me. 170 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: If you have that ability to understand that there is 171 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: an after life, then I think it will make your 172 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: human life that much more precious and important. 173 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: There's no question about that. I mean, what do you 174 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: say to a skeptic, Caroline, who is a non believer 175 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: in the afterlife. 176 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's very difficult this topic or any 177 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 3: other spiritual topic to when you talk to a skeptic, 178 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 3: you know, you can't explain these things intellectually. Although again 179 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: these medical doctors that talk about being brain dead and 180 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 3: still having experience should you know, be helpful. But I 181 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: think if you're a skeptic, unless you have yourself some 182 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: sort of experience here, it's going to be very hard 183 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: to really really convince anyone. I think it's okay to 184 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: be skeptic, but I think you're missing out on a 185 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: lot because there is no like, you have nothing to 186 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:03,359 Speaker 3: lose to try to experience what's beyond the physical, and then, 187 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: you know, unless you live it yourself, it's very hard 188 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 3: to really convince someone who doesn't want to believe. 189 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. I mean, there's nothing 190 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: wrong with being a skeptic, but you should at least 191 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: have an open mind. 192 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean you should have an open mind 193 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: in anything you know and everything. And you know, science 194 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: is that the idea of science is to prove or 195 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: I mean, to demonstrate reality. And so how do you 196 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: demonstrate something that is non physical that we're using physical laws. 197 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 3: You have to start with the assumption that there is 198 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: something and then try to find evidence of not necessarily 199 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: evidence of the spiritual realm, but it's impact. As you know, 200 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: the movie that I did called Superhuman. We worked a 201 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: lot with scientists doing experiments, so we were trying to 202 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: prove that consciousness exists. You know, that there is such 203 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: a thing as consciousness, and it's consciousness that actually dictates 204 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: how you function as a human. So we kept going, 205 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: you know, saying, wait, you know, you cannot create scientific 206 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: laws using mainstream science, because these are Newtonian laws that 207 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: measure physical things, but we're talking about non physical things. 208 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: But what we can do is demonstrate the interaction between 209 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: consciousness and the physical world. That we can do that 210 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: is measurable, and so that's what we did. We did 211 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: all sorts of experiments, for example, focusing your intention on 212 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: water and changing the pH and water, focusing your intention 213 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: on electrical device, electronic device, and you know, creating all 214 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: sorts of changes in the data. So what was happening 215 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: is that the consciousness was interacting with the physical object 216 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: and creating a change. And so when you do these 217 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: experiments under laboratory conditions, you know, scientists, you have to 218 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: do create a baseline and you know, control groups and 219 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: do it over and over and over, and you have 220 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: these incredible correlations that yes, every time consciousness interacts with 221 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: a physical device, it changes its parameters. What does that 222 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: tell you? There is something that's invisible that is affecting 223 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: the visible and that is measurable so that. 224 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: We can do And where does evil fit into the 225 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: puzzle here? 226 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: Mmmm? I think you know it's I like your questions. 227 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: I don't think evil exists on its own. I think 228 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: this is something that humans create. It's a choice. Every 229 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 3: time you think, you create an aspect of your reality, 230 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: from the smallest creation to the biggest one. You know, 231 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get up and make myself a sandwich. I'm 232 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: creating an experience for myself. I'm creating I'm gonna call 233 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: my mother and see, you know, check in and see 234 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: how she's feeling. I'm creating an experience. So I am 235 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: making a choice every moment of the day to experience 236 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: life in a certain way. So if I choose to 237 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: make a decision, if I make a decision as that 238 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: is in conflict with the universal laws. Universal laws are 239 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: for life to strive, for life to expand, for life 240 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: to basically be based on love, truth, beauty, goodness, divine laws, 241 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: and so anything in conflict with that, anything that is 242 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: self destructive, eventually could turn into evil. So I feel 243 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: like it's not something that already exists. This is something 244 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: that you create, and you're choosing to create. Of course, 245 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 3: there are people who create subconsciously. They don't mean to 246 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: hurt someone, but they do because they have mental problems 247 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: or what have you. And there is mental illness as well. 248 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: That's another subject. But I think that we are the 249 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: ones creating evil and darkness, and therefore we can uncreate it. 250 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 2: But do you believe in the devil? 251 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 3: I have to say that I do. I mean not 252 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 3: that I I'm into it, but I do because I 253 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 3: did see these entities. I didn't want to, you know, 254 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 3: like I said, when I work with people, it took 255 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: me a long time to really train myself to make sure, 256 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: first of all, that I wasn't making stuff up. But 257 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 3: I wasn't crazy, So, you know, just a little bit 258 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: of a background. I spent like fifteen years working on clarity. 259 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 3: I'm trying to discern how frequency works, you know, how 260 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: how do you really actually see subtle energy? What is 261 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: it that you're seeing, what's the difference? How do you 262 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: know it's not you that's making stuff up? So it 263 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 3: took me a long time, and then you get validation. 264 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast Am every weeknight at 265 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot 266 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: com for more y