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Speaker 2: He's got to get him there. But he wrote Blue

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Speaker 2: Here you go. Steven Leolson. He's an artist, he's a writer.

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Speaker 2: He Uh, you guys drove down.

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Speaker 2: Burgundy wasn't in the car. No, she was not in

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Speaker 2: You never said anything abut Burgundy. O. Then you played

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that Burgundy was the hole anyway.

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Speaker 2: When did you move down?

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Speaker 1: I think it was a month and a half the

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Speaker 2: Where'd you live? What kind of place you live in?

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Speaker 2: so you also have the luxury of not and often

442
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,159
Speaker 2: say it by myself. I didn't have any money growing up,

443
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 2: so it wasn't like I needed to have some crazy lifestyle, right,

444
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,920
Speaker 2: I could just run exactly. You know, I had nothing

445
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 2: to lose. Yep, So I wasn't going to lose even

446
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 2: if it didn't go my way, especially for a while

447
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,760
Speaker 2: you're here, is there like like an underground like Canadian

448
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 2: mob type group that looks out for each other, meaning

449
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 2: you move here and so even though you don't know them,

450
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, he's also from this part or even Toronto,

451
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 2: and they kind of look out for you because because

452
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 2: there even is with States here, Yeah, like there's the

453
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,479
Speaker 2: Georgia boy and if you're from Arkansas, like even if

454
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 2: you don't like but it's like Matt Stell and Justin

455
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 2: Moore and myself and Hamburg, like we could all call

456
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 2: each other and be like, hey, let me go, just

457
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 2: because we grew up in the same place.

458
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to help each other. Little.

459
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:38,640
Speaker 2: Does that happen at all?

460
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 1: You know what it's yes, but it was you know,

461
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 1: I can tell you personally that you know any Canadian

462
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 1: artists that are trying to make headway in Nashville already,

463
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 1: you know. When I moved here, anyways, it was more

464
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 1: difficult for us. You know, I don't think guys you're

465
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 1: a Canadian, Yeah for sure. So I mean when I

466
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 1: when I first moved here, I actually try to try

467
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 1: to to avoid it as much as I could. I

468
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to be clicky with only the Canadians because

469
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 1: I knew that was only going to make my life harder,

470
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 1: you know. And it's not not like I didn't love them,

471
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, but it was.

472
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 2: Interesting because I don't And again this is a different time.

473
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 2: I don't feel that way now, yep at all. Yeah,

474
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 2: do you feel that way?

475
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 1: Now you know what I don't I think, you know,

476
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: technology has has really helped kind of get that to

477
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: a point where it's you know, almost an even playing field,

478
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, but I can. You know what I did

479
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 1: is I found the best writers I knew or that

480
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: I just my that I was a fan of. And

481
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: that was like Gordy Sampson. He was the Canadian that

482
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: was like, he wrote Jesus Take the Wheel and it

483
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: was just crushing. I had a bunch of Keith songs

484
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: as well. And Hillary Lindsay, she was one that I

485
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: looked up to, Brett James. These were all people that

486
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 1: I was like, man, if I can just write with

487
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: the people that they're writing with, maybe we write something good.

488
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, let's pull you in with Gordy, pull

489
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: you in with Hillary, pull you in with Brett. And

490
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: that was kind of my strategy. That's how I met,

491
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, Eric Pasley for the first time in Gordy Shack.

492
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: We would all just be back there playing songs and

493
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: he was amazing and I absolutely sucked, and you know,

494
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 1: they'd be passing around the guitar and following Eric. At

495
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: the time. It was like, good God, I'm like you

496
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: are everything and I'm nothing. But it was for me

497
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: that was kind of my strategy, was just to find

498
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: the people that I respected the most as songwriters because

499
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: that's what I knew I had to do. First. I

500
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: was like, if I can write songs to tell my

501
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: story the way that only I can, I'm like, you know,

502
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: I think I'll have a shot at the artist's side,

503
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how I, you know, developed as

504
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: a writer.

505
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: Hang ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and

506
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

507
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: First cut you ever got?

508
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: First cut was? I always say I ruined the Judds' career,

509
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: but it was the Juds. You know, they actually went

510
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: to radio with it, and I don't even know if

511
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: it I don't know if anyone added it. So I

512
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: always say I had their last single and killed it.

513
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: But that was that was my first cut, and then

514
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: I had.

515
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: Did they give you any sort of momentum at all? Though?

516
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: Because you have a cut, you do have a cut?

517
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was everything. At the time. I

518
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 1: remember going, look, mom, we're doing it like I'm on

519
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: the board.

520
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: Did rooms open up a little bit? Because now, no, no.

521
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Really, they really didn't open up at all. Honestly, I

522
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: can tell you rooms really didn't open up for me

523
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: until until Blue Intra Color.

524
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: That's when they opened up for you.

525
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: That's when they like, they like, they just wide opened

526
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: up for me, when people were like, oh, that's what

527
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: you do in a room? You know. But you know,

528
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: I think being with the right publishing company definitely can

529
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: get you into the right writing rooms at least one time.

530
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: You know. After that, it's if you if.

531
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: You suck or you're unlikable, you can't You're not gonna

532
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 2: give it exactly.

533
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Even if you suck, but you're super likable,

534
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: you might get another shot.

535
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: It's like, shot my whole life is what happened to me.

536
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm kind of likable.

537
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: So like, come on back, come on back, and you

538
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: hope you bring something breaks, some cookies, something into the room.

539
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.

540
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: So you're so you get the judge that doesn't do

541
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: much for you. What what cut happens next?

542
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: The I want to say?

543
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 2: And how what's the difference? What's the time from the

544
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: judge cut to whatever you're about to tell me? Is

545
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: the second song you get cut?

546
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: Oh? Man?

547
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: See now you're are you getting holds like crazy too,

548
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: but they're not turning into it really.

549
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: No.

550
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: I have no idea how I held onto a publishing

551
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: deal as long as I did. To be honest, I'm like,

552
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: I think everyone thought that the next year was going

553
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: to be the year. And I was making a lot

554
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: of trips, you know, over to Sweden, over to London

555
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: with what purpose because they were like, you know, you

556
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: very R and B stylistically, and there was a lot

557
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: of opportunity to write for pop stuff. So I you know,

558
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: I got a west Life cut, the massive.

559
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: I love west Life, right, I was a pop radio

560
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: for a long time. Yeah. At west Life, they were

561
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: legit for sure. I went one of the guys and

562
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: Westlife was playing was the lead in a broad that's

563
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: not Broadway in London, whatever their version, and and I

564
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: want to watch it just because he was the lead.

565
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: West Life was legit for anybody that doesn't know.

566
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: And they're massive. I had no idea either.

567
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: So soccer, yeah, like everyone but here, yes, no, that's.

568
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: That's that's really accurate. So I had I had just

569
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: enough things going on, I think where they thought, maybe

570
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, Steven's going to start popping off as a writer,

571
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, and then I got my Garth Brooks cut

572
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: and that was really the that was for me, like

573
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: I saw Magic of Nashville. You know what they talk

574
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: about when things happened that you were just like, couldn't

575
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: couldn't happen in any other place?

576
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: Was that from his Man Against Machine record?

577
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Yes, the one with the awesome sony.

578
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: And the rope on his neck.

579
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 5: Ye.

580
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the first time I met Garth is when

581
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: he's put in that out when we first moved here.

582
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: That was probably about twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, something like that. Yeah,

583
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: so you get how does he find that song?

584
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: I honestly still to this day don't know. I think

585
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: I wrote it with Chris Wallin and Melissa and they're

586
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: both insanely good writers. And that song like was on

587
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: a shelf for like four years.

588
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: What was that song called.

589
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: It's called Cold like That, Okay, And it was on

590
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: a shelf. We wrote it four years, you know, before

591
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: he cut it. And then I remember getting an email

592
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: from his producer at the time, and I can't remember

593
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: his name for the life of me, but his email said, hey, Stephen,

594
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, Garth really wants you to come into the

595
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: studio when we record this tomorrow. Would you be able

596
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: to free up your.

597
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: Day out of nowhere come tomorrow and Garth will be there.

598
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, absolutely, And I was. I called everyone I knew.

599
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: I I honestly, I was so nervous that I asked

600
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: my producer at the time, Clint Laugerberg, to come with me.

601
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm going to throw up on him.

602
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, it's like Garth. I grew up.

603
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: Everyone grew up on Garth, but I definitely did. And so,

604
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: I mean, it was this old church and I remember

605
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: and it was later at night too, it was like

606
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: five pm or something, so it was just getting dark

607
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: and there's these big wooden doors, and I remember knocking

608
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: on the door and Garth showed up with his Louisville

609
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: slugger answered the door, wearing his own merch of course,

610
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, Steven, and I was. And

611
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: he's way bigger in person than I thought as well,

612
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: Like he's just a bigger guy. And he he said, hey,

613
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: come on in the studio, was just super humble, like

614
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: everything you want Garth to be. He sat me down

615
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: in this room like for forty minutes, literally just did nothing.

616
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: But this man. He started asking me questions about my life,

617
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: my mom, my sister, my cat's name, like where I

618
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: grew up, like my T shirt size, everything you can

619
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: think of. And I'm like, what is happening. I'm pinching

620
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: myself the whole time, and I get super comfortable, you know,

621
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: starting to like talk to Garth like we're friends, and

622
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: I just asked him. I said, I'm like, dude, do

623
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: you have any advice you know for a new artist?

624
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, a might as well ask like the top

625
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: selling mail artists of all time? Got right, yeah, And

626
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: I honestly can't remember what he said because I made

627
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: a total ass of myself shortly after that, and because

628
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: what he said was so profound and awesome that I

629
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: was like, man, you should write Fortune cookies. I was like, wait,

630
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: you should write Fortune five hundred cookies because you're rich,

631
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: and I thought that was hilarious. He literally didn't even

632
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: crack a smile, like he just stared at me for

633
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: like a good twenty seconds, and it was the longest

634
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: twenty seconds of my entire life. And then he just

635
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: broke the silence, like just broke it and was like,

636
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: all right, man, let's get you back to the studio.

637
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, I ruined it. And

638
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: then he brought me back into the vocal booth and

639
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: he wanted me to sing background vocals on this record.

640
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: So I actually got to sing background vocal. It was

641
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: like the experience of a lifetime. And Garth is behind

642
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: the console and he's like, man, He's like, I need

643
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: you to sing this with your heart like you mean it,

644
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I sing it, okay, mister Brooks. I'm

645
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: like okay, I'm starting to sing it and sing it

646
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, try and sing it like Nickelback.

647
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: And then he lost me and I was like, okay, Nickelback.

648
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just I don't even think I did

649
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: anything differently than the take before. But he was like

650
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: that's the one, and it was that was it, and

651
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: then you know he two months later, he was doing

652
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: one of these massive stadium tours and he texted me

653
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and he's like, hey, do you want

654
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: to come to the show and shoot the T shirt cannon?

655
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: Because I think I mentioned to him I would do

656
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: that and he remembered, of course, and I showed up

657
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: to the show and sure enough he greeted me at

658
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: the door and sat down with me in the room

659
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: like with nothing but chairs, like thirty minutes and told

660
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: me every single thing that I told him that day,

661
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: Cat's name, T shirt size, where I grew up, all

662
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: my best friends, like, he garthed me like you hear

663
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: stories about him just being the best that's ever done it,

664
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's that's part of why you're

665
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: a legend.

666
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: So when you write a song for Garth in that project,

667
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: I remember when it was happening, everybody was just excited

668
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Garth was back right because he had been gone for

669
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: so long. Yeah, what did that do for you as

670
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: a songwriter, just to be attached to Garth anythings?

671
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: No, it did that one actually did, I think. And also,

672
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: if I'm correct, was also signed to Columbia. I just

673
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: got my record deal at Columbia at that time as well,

674
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: so they love to capitalize on Garth of course, and

675
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: so that was pretty cool. We got to go to

676
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: a lot of parties and you know, I was going

677
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: on a radio tour across the country, which I did,

678
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: and you know that was one of the songs we

679
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: played as well. We're like, oh and He also got

680
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: a song on Garth Brooks's new record, which I think

681
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: helped move the needle because not a lot of people

682
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: besides like me and Lee Brice could say that at

683
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: the time. So I mean, I think that definitely at

684
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: least gave me some street cred if nothing else during

685
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: that radio tour.

686
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're writing for others or just writing, and

687
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: you're also pursuing a solo career at the same time. Yeah,

688
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: how do you juggle those priorities because it's hard to

689
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: do them both.

690
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: Full It's impossible, especially in this town. You know, Like

691
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: I feel like this town wants you to be one thing,

692
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Like they do not want you to be both, you know.

693
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: But now it's like you see people like Hardy and Earn,

694
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's they've really smashed that at least with

695
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: the within their own camp, you know. But that was

696
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: a probably still to this day is my biggest struggle.

697
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: Is because I had more success as a writer, you know,

698
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: with Blue Intra Color and more girls like you for

699
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: Kip before I did as an artist. So I think

700
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: even in this town somewhat it's like people see me

701
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: as a writer and trying to break that stigma has

702
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: been has been a challenge.

703
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: Well it Stephen mark Olsen would be quite the artist. Hey,

704
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: I love that. Oh there's already a big snow so

705
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: I guess that would so you the Rascal Flat song

706
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: that you had.

707
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Kiss kiss you, kiss me while you can, Kiss me

708
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: while you can?

709
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: Is that what it was?

710
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, kiss you while I can?

711
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: Did you do back to us?

712
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: I wish I did? Okay, I wish I did.

713
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: No, it's I get those two confused though, what's sing me?

714
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Not knowing? I'm seeing like saying things, but give me

715
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: the melody.

716
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: D man, I don't even know if I can remember.

717
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: It was like because I can't kids, well kids, you

718
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: are kids you while I came.

719
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: So when they cut that song again, you haven't all

720
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean you got the judge, Yeah, Garth, you got

721
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: Rascal Flats. These are legendary acts totally where the judge

722
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: the judges are a little older, as in that's kind

723
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: of a hey retro, it's cool, but like Garth was

724
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: coming back Rascal Flats. Even though they're older and legendary,

725
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: they were still at the time totally rushing it. So

726
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: but no singles, no singles that are making it so

727
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: are you still on the stage of like boom, I

728
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: got another cut, let's go? Or is there are the

729
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: cuts not really paying the bills and you're like, I

730
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: want to cut, but I need a freaking single so

731
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: I make some money.

732
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't even think I my mindset was singles

733
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: until I had one, and then you knew, and then

734
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I knew. Once you got a taste of it, I

735
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, it's like man, And also

736
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: to see how many doors it opened, and awards shows

737
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: you get to go to, and like relationships you make

738
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and people that actually want to write with you instead

739
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: of you trying to hunt down everybody else.

740
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: Which one was first, the Kip Song or Blue Antra Color?

741
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: It was blue?

742
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that thing was a cannon boom.

743
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: And the big you know, and that was my first

744
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: single that I really like had hit the charts. And

745
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: I also moved to town because of Keith. You know,

746
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: he was the first artist. I mean, they used to

747
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: call me Steven Urban, Stephen Lee Urban. You know. Back

748
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: at home, all my friends would laugh because I literally

749
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: dyed my hair. There's horrible photos online if you care

750
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: to look or not. But he was like the artist

751
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: that kind of made me think maybe I could do

752
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: this as an artist, because he definitely wasn't your stereotypical

753
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: hat act that was wearing cowboy boots and was saying,

754
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, his voice was a little more progressive too.

755
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Between Rascal Flats and Keith, I was like, Keith was

756
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: definitely the one that helped me make the move. And

757
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: also what I was kind of, you know, stenciling, if

758
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: it's the right word, my music after it was like

759
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: the thing I latched onto before I could really had

760
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: my own artistry. So I'm like, for that to be

761
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: my first real cut was I thought I was dreaming

762
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: like it was. I remember even getting the call, and

763
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: that's and that cut happened from the absolute worst time

764
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: in my entire life. Like I just had lost my

765
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: deal at Columbia after making a full record, you know,

766
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: they they fired Gary Overton or he stepped down, depends

767
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: on who you ask. And I was like, wow, it

768
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: took me six years to get this record deal. I

769
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: just made this record with Clint Laugerberg. Blue at Your

770
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Color was my next single, and they canned everybody, like

771
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: everybody that Katino and you know, Taylor Lindsay and Gary

772
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: Overton signed, so I was completely defeated and had no

773
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: idea what I was going to do. I was just like,

774
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: this is not how the story he's supposed to go.

775
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: And I did all the bullshit you have to do

776
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: to get a record deal, including drink a ton at

777
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: red Door and show up to cottages. I went hunting,

778
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not a hunter.

779
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: I shot.

780
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm not I shot birds. I still feel guilty about.

781
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I did all the things that you

782
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: know I saw everybody else doing. I was writing, you know,

783
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: I believe great songs, and I was just starting to

784
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: really figure out like who I was going to be

785
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: as an artist, and then the kind of the ball

786
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: got dropped on me. And it was the lowest point

787
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: I think I'd ever been in that in that moment,

788
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: it was like the first real loss that I'd had

789
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: in Nashville.

790
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: Did your record ever get put out? That first one?

791
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: No?

792
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: The version of Blanche Color that you recorded, it is it?

793
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: Did Keith hear that? Or do you hear like a

794
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: demo before you even recorded your version?

795
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Keith heard my record version, you know, he heard what,

796
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, what we had recorded.

797
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: Did they just start shopping those songs as soon as

798
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 2: it like, how does that work?

799
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Well? You know what? I that was a song that

800
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: was Bluincher color was the only one that I was like,

801
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: no one else can cut this, this one, it has

802
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: to be mine. I knew it was special and uh

803
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: and at the time I was, I was signed with

804
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: to Brett James's publishing company, corn Man and Nate Lowry,

805
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: which he helped totally change my world. He called me

806
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: one day and was like, hey, I know you said

807
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: no one can cut. He just said, but I know

808
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: Keith is looking. Can I just pitch this to Keith?

809
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: And Keith on me? And I said no, And then

810
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: I called him back twenty minutes later, and I was like,

811
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: what's the worst that can happen? He's probably not going

812
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: to cut it anyways. I'm like, I'm sitting here with

813
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: no trajectory of anything. And so he pitches it to him,

814
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: and I get a call the next day and he's like,

815
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: Keith absolutely loved it. He wants to hold this.

816
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: So I was like, both good and bad.

817
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was all good for me. At that point,

818
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to have to pack up

819
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: and go home. I thought I was like this is

820
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: it for me, you know, the once you have that

821
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: label on your head of dropped and for whatever reason

822
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: it is in this town, you're just you know, you're

823
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: not the new shiny penny, and dropped is dropped. No

824
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: one sees you in any other light unless you've had

825
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: you know, a certain amount of success and raised by

826
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: a good time. The song I did put out with

827
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: Columbia was crushing it. It was actually doing way better

828
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: than anything else that any new artist was doing at

829
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: the time, but none of that mad Uh And I

830
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: remember getting the call that Keith was actually going to

831
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: cut it, and then I found out that Dan Huff

832
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: was going to produce it on him and Dan, I'm like,

833
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: like I said, I grew up on that Golden Road record,

834
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: so it was like, Wow, this is from the worst

835
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: possible place I've ever been in my life, is setting

836
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: itself up possibly to be the most cool. I'm like,

837
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: it's Keith. I'm like, it was just a dream. I

838
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: never even thought I was going to meet him, let

839
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: alone have his biggest song he's ever had. So I

840
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: and he called me to the studio too. He texted me,

841
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: got my number from somewhere, and he's that's who he is.

842
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: He's just said, hey, want to come and hang out

843
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: of the studio and record this song and said absolutely.

844
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: So I got to go there and meet Dan Huff

845
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: and just I was so nervous. I didn't even say anything.

846
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: I just sat back and was like, don't say anything

847
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: exactly That's what I was saying. I was like, man,

848
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you know Garth is you know, he's he's the goat,

849
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: but you know, Keith to me is like the ultimate goat.

850
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: And it was it was an amazing experience. And then

851
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, from all that, I got to I got

852
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: to bring my mom to the Grammys and.

853
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: It's did he modify the song a bunch?

854
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: He did?

855
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: Keith? And I know Keith pretty well and he has

856
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: I've been over to his house so much in his

857
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 2: studio too, where he's like, check this out, and it's

858
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: just he's got eleven things happened at the same time.

859
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: And it's crazy for whatever version of ad D that

860
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: I have, But he changes a lot, or he moves

861
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: or pivots from things quickly. Yeah, you know, that's part

862
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: of his creative genius is able to do that. How

863
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: was the version that we all heard different from your.

864
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: Version, you know what, I think they Honestly, the first

865
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: time I heard his version of it, and my heart

866
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: sunk a little bit just because it was I you

867
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: call it demo witis in this town, but I was

868
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: so used to it having it was slower my version.

869
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: It had a little more swing in the pocket. It

870
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: was more R and B to be honest, and and

871
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Keith and Dan they sped it up. They made it

872
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: exactly what it should have been for him, and you know,

873
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: made it fit his sound. You know, I've heard stories

874
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: since that, you know, Keith actually didn't want it on

875
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: the record for a minute and was second guessing it.

876
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's validity to that.

877
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: I would say there is, only because I know Keith

878
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: and he's second guess every single record, every single time.

879
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

880
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: Like it's like he's like, I love it, Oh no,

881
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: I hate it. Oh no, it's great. Well, I would

882
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: imagine that's part of that process.

883
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Man, you know what. And then I've heard I heard

884
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Dan Huff was like, Keith, you have to have this

885
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: on your record, this is like, this is the song.

886
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: And he trusted the people around him, and uh, you know,

887
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: and and the rest was kind of history, but you know,

888
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: they definitely he sped it up quite a bit. He

889
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: straightened out a lot of the vocals that I did.

890
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: You know, he was more on the beat.

891
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: You know.

892
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: I live behind the beat historically, you know, but I

893
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: now it's so funny when I play and sing that

894
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: song live, I actually sing it a little bit more

895
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: like Keith.

896
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: Does because how people know it.

897
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it's because that's how people

898
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: know or that's just like the version I've heard a

899
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: bajillion times on the radio as well, you know, but

900
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: it was definitely a surreal expce avarience. And uh, you know,

901
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: Keith is still at the very top of my list

902
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: of artists, and you know we I wrote a song

903
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: with Nathan Barlowe, who's in Keith's band and has been

904
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: for a while. And I want to say, it's been

905
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: like five years and he's held this one song that

906
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: and not let it go.

907
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: And I know that he's reading the kidnapping that's what

908
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: al that.

909
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: Is a kidnapping or it has been a roller coaster,

910
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: you know. And I've had a bunch of songs on

911
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: hold with Keith and he's put his vocals on a bunch,

912
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: but this was the one that he never let go.

913
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: And I always check in on songs, probably like every

914
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: three months. With Keith. I'm like, hey man, it's like,

915
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? But you know, take your temperature

916
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: on this song is what I call it? And you know,

917
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: and he for a lot of them, he's like, you

918
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: know what it is not quite many? And I said

919
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: a more like Crocodile Hunter, didn't it just now?

920
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: You know all that kind of the urban crocodile hundreds unde.

921
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's offended. He's not okay, He's

922
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: not okay, but you know he's And I just found

923
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 1: it out that he's finally finished it after five years.

924
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: And I know he's went through like four different producers,

925
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: he's mixed at seven different times, he's cut it, he

926
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: cut it, and it's finally coming out.

927
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: Have you heard it? I have.

928
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm supposed to say that, because well,

929
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: he sent me. He sent me a version a long

930
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: time ago of the progress and I thought that was incredible.

931
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: But you know, I've since been with Nathan Barlowe and

932
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, you got to hear this because

933
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: we're so excited. This has been like a rollercoaster of

934
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: is it not happening, it's happening. It's been three different

935
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: records that it was supposed to be on and it's

936
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: not and now it's finally Yeah, exactly. Yeah man, that's cool.

937
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: Congratulations, thanks man.

938
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

939
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

940
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: You played the opry when was did you play it

941
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: for the first time?

942
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

943
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: And did you play this year?

944
00:40:59,600 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

945
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: Like point, How was that for you? Because being in

946
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: the town for a long time, obviously it exists and

947
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: it's always a goal. But you've had success in these

948
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: other areas, but you're a you're heart an artist, yeap,

949
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: and so to finally get to do something that monumental

950
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: on the artists side, that had to be, you know,

951
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: pretty substantial for you.

952
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: It was emotional. Man. I'm an emotional guy, you know.

953
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Ever since I had my son too, I've just I

954
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: cried everything, So like something that big for me. You know,

955
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: when I first moved to town, there was like a

956
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: few things that I knew that were made at Marks

957
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: and like everyone else, it's and that was one of

958
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: them for me. And you know, being in Nashville for

959
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: like sixteen years now, it's you know, I've had a

960
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: lot of people tell me what I can't do, and

961
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: that just things that I wouldn't be able to achieve,

962
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, people trying to be real with me, just

963
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: being like, you know what, maybe you are, maybe you

964
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: are just a songwriter. Maybe you should just give up

965
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: the artist thing altogether. And and then you know, earlier

966
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: this year, I kind of I was in a place

967
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: where I started to believe them. And that's the worst

968
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: thing you can do, is like lose your own hope

969
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: for yourself. Like I always say, you have to like

970
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: just hang on a string if you can. It's because

971
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: I know that this town can beat you up, and people,

972
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: like I said, they they don't. They don't want you

973
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: to be more than one thing, you know. So I

974
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: just getting the call that I was going to be

975
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: on the operat was just a crazy moment for me,

976
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: one that I almost like let the belief that it

977
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: was going to happen. I almost let it go. So

978
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: it was like incredible, and you know, now I can

979
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: look at it and go it was the timing of it.

980
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had it any other way. I got

981
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: to bring my son out there, you know, onto the

982
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: stage for a rehearsal, and one of the backup singers

983
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: grabbed him and like brought him right to the microphone

984
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: and he's saying like I'm a little teapot or something

985
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: on the opery stage before I did.

986
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: And the first song I did at the operation HiT's

987
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: a hit, a hit classic.

988
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, but that was you know, I had

989
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: that memory forever, you know, and uh, and it was

990
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: just it was a surreal moment. I and uh, yeah,

991
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean it happened all so fast and you only

992
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: get sing a few songs, but.

993
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quick. So to me, it was blurry the

994
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: first time. Second time I loved even more than the

995
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: first because it wasn't so blurry.

996
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: You were more prepared, ready, and like now.

997
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: I saw faces the second time. The first time I

998
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: didn't see but his face. I was just like, oh

999
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: my god, don't screw this up.

1000
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: That's where I was at.

1001
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: There were people, they brought cake, you had a sign.

1002
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: It just was so much more about the pageantry. Yeah,

1003
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: that I felt like I couldn't really appreciate the substance. Yeah,

1004
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: the second time was freaking awesome.

1005
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: Second time was for you being like, Okay, I showed up.

1006
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: How did your first performance go?

1007
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

1008
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Man, I got a standing Oh you did? I did?

1009
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: Which made me. Ugh get me emotional right now, don't

1010
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: make me cry, but yeah, it was What did you play?

1011
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: I played Blue Antra Color, of course, and and I

1012
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: played a song called Out of Yours, which was my single.

1013
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: I think that was the peak of the single, actually

1014
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: was when we shifted the a few next days over

1015
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: to something else, But it was just like an nice

1016
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: way to cap off that song at the operat.

1017
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Why do you think they gave you a standing ovation?

1018
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: You know? I I don't think I sang the greatest,

1019
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: to be honest, like you said, I was. I was

1020
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: all in my own head and then my emotions were

1021
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: kind of taken over, like my voice. I I haven't

1022
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: even watched it back because I don't think I can,

1023
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: but I think they they saw what it meant to me.

1024
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: I think, you know, when you know I got I

1025
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: got a good opportunity to talk to talk to them

1026
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: in between songs, and you know, setting up Blue ant

1027
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: Your Color, I kind of let them know how long

1028
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: I'd been in town and what my dreams were and

1029
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: how this was always you know, one of the biggest

1030
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: things on my bucket list. And I don't know why.

1031
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: I can't tell you why. I'm I'm sure as hell

1032
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: happy they did, though, because it made me feel like,

1033
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I always hoped it would be matched matched,

1034
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: Actually what happened?

1035
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: Can you remember? You remember it?

1036
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: Pieces of it? I remember my you know the things

1037
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: like basically, I remember my recap video that we had

1038
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: made it, which is crazy. I remember how big I

1039
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: the set is. When I walked out for the first time.

1040
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 2: You remember them like standing up and you being like, okay,

1041
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: and I need to sit here and take it, or

1042
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: I because we can also walk off, right if you're

1043
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: like because if they're all like doing a half standing out,

1044
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: just get to crap off stage, because right because if

1045
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: you're going to wait for them, they don't ever stand up,

1046
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: then not embarrassed exactly. You mail yes, And I'm also

1047
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: waving my hands like come on to stand up, stand up?

1048
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: Come on?

1049
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: Do you remember that moment when people started to stand up?

1050
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: I do you had to make that decision do I

1051
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: stay or do I walk off?

1052
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I honestly, I feel like a lot of people stood

1053
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: up at the same time, and that was when I

1054
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: lost it, I was just like, what is life? You know?

1055
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: Made it like a lot of a lot of shitty

1056
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: moments in this town make a lot of sense, you know.

1057
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: Reminded me to just keep going, you know, no matter

1058
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: what it's like, because most of my setbacks have actually

1059
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: been set ups, and you don't know that until you've

1060
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: kind of gone through that to know. I'm like here,

1061
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: like this year was a really difficult year for me,

1062
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: and it ended up being one of the best years

1063
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: of my entire life. And you know, I mean, if

1064
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: you give up, you'll never know what's on the other

1065
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: side of it. And there's just no give up in me.

1066
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: Your TikTok happy Heavenly was he was doing big numbers.

1067
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: Yep.

1068
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: Why do you think that song has resonated? Is this

1069
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: the story? Is it the because it's it's it's I mean,

1070
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: it's a viral song, you know, Viral so harder to

1071
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: find even now because every everything does nothing in a

1072
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: bunch at the same time. But I feel like that's

1073
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: been a really big one for you online.

1074
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: It's so funny. No, I actually only posted like two

1075
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: or three videos of that thirty second clips of the

1076
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: of the demo just because I wanted to see. You know,

1077
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: I was in a place where my my management was

1078
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: just like really pushing me hard on TikTok, and that

1079
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: was kind of the infrastructure they had at the time,

1080
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: was just like you know, TikTok, TikTok, five videos a day,

1081
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: and that's you know, it kind of ended up really

1082
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: burning me out. But that was blessing through that is I.

1083
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: You know, I threw that song up and and you know,

1084
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: I wrote that song, you know, because I lost somebody

1085
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: like one of my I don't even know, maybe not

1086
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: call him a father figure, but this man, his name

1087
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: is Ian and he dated my mom back in high

1088
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: school when she went to high school, and they stayed

1089
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: friends ever since. And you know, when I was coming

1090
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: up in like seventh and eighth grade, I had zero confidence,

1091
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, I just I didn't I didn't know how

1092
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: to talk to girls. I didn't know how to be cool.

1093
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't know what, you know, any good

1094
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: taste in music was. And he kind of really took

1095
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: me under his wing, you know, taught me how to

1096
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: roll joints the first time. I didn't let me smoke

1097
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: him for a long time, but you know, taught me

1098
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: how to be cool, and I had to talk to

1099
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: to women and how to how to stand out in

1100
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: a room. And I lost him three years ago suddenly,

1101
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, And I guess the last two years, every

1102
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: time on his birthday, I would just be broken, you know,

1103
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: I'd just be like, man, I'd always call him and

1104
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: make him make fun of how old he was, and

1105
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: and I was just tired of I was tired of

1106
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: being So I wanted to write something that turned a

1107
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: tear into a smile essentially and remember all the amazing

1108
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: things that we got to do together. So I wrote

1109
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: this song really for me with my buddy Jimmy Robbins.

1110
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: I had the chorus and I brought it to him

1111
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, can you help me write

1112
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: these verses. I don't want to screw this up. It

1113
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: means a lot to me. And so we wrote this

1114
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: song and we posted it and then six thousand people,

1115
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, made their own video collage with a thirty

1116
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: second clip of the people that they've lost.

1117
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: That's where you actually saw it start to resonate with

1118
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: people using it for their own message.

1119
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: And it became like bigger than me. It became like

1120
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I need to put this song out because not only

1121
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: has it like helped me tremendously, I still can't get

1122
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: through live. It's like I'm going to take at least

1123
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: twenty more times singing it live to not cry. But

1124
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: it's it's helping people, And I'm like, man, grief is

1125
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: just something that no one really talks about or teaches you,

1126
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: and you have to go through it, and it feels

1127
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: like you have to go through it alone, even though

1128
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: you'll have people around you that love you, it's still

1129
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: like a very personal journey. And for whatever reason, I

1130
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: think that the song is is helping people get through

1131
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: their grief, especially on that day when it's so hard

1132
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: to uh to get through.

1133
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: What is your distribution? Because I saw that out here

1134
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: as your single? Now yeah, so is that your single?

1135
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: I mean it's weird even say where is it your single?

1136
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: But where who's playing it the most? What's been Because

1137
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: it's a strategic process too, yeah, because you can't really

1138
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 2: get to everybody all the time, all at once unless

1139
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: you have the monster behind you, right, So what's what's

1140
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: the strategy with the song?

1141
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: So? I mean without here or out here? Man? You

1142
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: know what I think? At the top of the year.

1143
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, I went through a whole

1144
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: team change. I was with Universal Canada for the last

1145
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: few years and and with a management company that just

1146
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: really wasn't a good fit for me, and our ideas

1147
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: of who I was was very different, you know, what

1148
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: they wanted me to be and uh and what they

1149
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: expected of me, you know, leaning into a lot of

1150
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: like the tick talk side of things, which I actually

1151
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: love TikTok the way I do it now, I just

1152
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, at the time, I wasn't really happy

1153
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: with the music I was putting out, So it was

1154
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: hard to be authentic on TikTok to shut a camera

1155
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: in your face and you and your music is not

1156
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: even you that you know, That's kind of what I

1157
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: was dealing with. So, you know, out Here was a

1158
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: song I wrote because you know, my wife and I

1159
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: we bought a place, we bought a horse farm outside

1160
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: of Nashville, about fifty minutes in Portland, and you know,

1161
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: it was always something that I wanted to do, just

1162
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: live out in the country because I've been I've lived

1163
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: everywhere you can live in Nashville for the last sixteen years,

1164
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: and so this song was really like a description of

1165
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: where I I'm at. It was the most authentic, you

1166
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: know song I could write. I wrote it by myself

1167
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: because I really wanted to make sure that I believed

1168
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: every word I was singing and basically the lifestyle, you know.

1169
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: And I also grew up listening to you know, commercial

1170
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: country music, like that's the radio, So I wanted it

1171
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: to be all of those things. And so we put

1172
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: it out with a team called star Seed, and the

1173
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: distribution company is stem here and uh, you know, the

1174
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: management that I'm that I'm with now and the people

1175
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: that I'm with now have really gotten behind me and

1176
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: have kind of just rebuilt me as an artist and

1177
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: the belief in myself and uh, and you know, you

1178
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: know the right team when you're with them, and because

1179
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: you start believing in yourself again and that hope starts

1180
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: to build, and then you start writing songs that are

1181
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: completely authentic, that are connecting, that don't feel strained or

1182
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: confusing to to the listener. And that's kind that's where

1183
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: we're going. That's you know, I mean, I have a

1184
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: whole record essentially of music that is extremely authentic to

1185
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: where I'm at now, and we're going to be starting

1186
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: to put that out. The next thing we're putting out

1187
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: is Happy Heavenly.

1188
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna do the very You're gonna put it out

1189
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: on forms.

1190
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a demo. So I'm literally leaving today.

1191
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to go sing the vocal right after this

1192
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: and being mixed next week. So I'm really excited about

1193
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: that one.

1194
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: What's your what's your percentage of you writing for you

1195
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: versus you writing and then seeing where it lands?

1196
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, I guess it's It's an interesting season because

1197
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, especially this last year, I've

1198
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: really taken off the writing hat to a certain degree

1199
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: and really just believing full on that, you know, and

1200
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: myself as an artist. I'm like, you know what, I'm

1201
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: not getting any younger and the music has never been better.

1202
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: So I think you know, you're.

1203
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: Still writing for you as an artist, though does the

1204
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: art when you say the hat? Are you still the

1205
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: artist who writes instead of the writer who's almost the

1206
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: artist or you just like, I'm not really right now much.

1207
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: I'm on the road grinding doing singing things.

1208
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: I would love to be on the road grinding as

1209
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: much as I can, and you know, being on the

1210
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: road with Old Dominion. This year was definitely the first

1211
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: time that I've really actually been able to go out

1212
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: and play. I mean, I've in Canada. I have a

1213
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: lot of songs that we put out to radio, but

1214
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: I just have not had the opportunity to go and

1215
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: make those fans live. And I'm like, that is where

1216
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: I see the most conversion is when I can have

1217
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: this and I can sing to you and I can

1218
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: tell you my story and we can connect. You know,

1219
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: that is where I win people. That's where I see

1220
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: my socials go up. That is when you know it converts,

1221
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: you know. So that is really the goal for me

1222
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: right now is just to go out and play as

1223
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: much as I can. And I do have a publishing

1224
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: deal with Jimmy Robbins, so it's it's really important for

1225
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: me to keep the song writing up because I do

1226
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: love writing songs, even if it's not for me, So,

1227
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it just has to be more intentional. Now. Yeah,

1228
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, in a way that I've been able to

1229
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: do that is you know, I'll go on retreats for

1230
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: me if i'm and I'll tell the publisher, like, hey,

1231
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: everything that I write on this retreat is for me.

1232
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: As an artist, these are the only songs you can't pitch.

1233
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: And I'll go in those into those retreats, locked and

1234
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: loaded with titles and ideas and know exactly what I

1235
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: want to do. And it's funny because those are always

1236
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: the songs. They're like, can we pitch those? And I'm like, man,

1237
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: I just can't win.

1238
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: Do you look back at blue out your color a

1239
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: little bit and go, I just wish I would have

1240
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: held it for me a little longer.

1241
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: That's the question. I knew that was going to come up, because.

1242
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: I would, even with the success, I would still feel like,

1243
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: you know, I want it. But it's also opened a

1244
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: lot of doors. And there's no right answer because no

1245
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: matter what you say, it is and.

1246
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: We'll never know. Yeah, for sure, I can tell you that,

1247
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's no saying what what would have happened?

1248
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: But you know what did happen with Keith definitely reignited

1249
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: the hope in me again. This town is like and

1250
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: maybe this town isn't the way to say it, but

1251
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: this industry we'll call it.

1252
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: You get to the town.

1253
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, this town Okay, Yeah that sucks. It definitely suck

1254
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: the life out of you. But you know, you'll also

1255
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: get this second wind. You'll also get like a gust

1256
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: of wind that makes it gives you the magic back

1257
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: of that, you know, sixteen years ago when I moved here,

1258
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: that like that anything is possible, and that was that

1259
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: for me. I was like, not that to say I

1260
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: was going to quit, but I had no idea what

1261
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I was going to do. I was like, is this

1262
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: it I've seen We've all seen so many artists come

1263
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: lose their deal and then they're gone and you never

1264
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: hear of them again, or some of them, you know,

1265
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: become songwriters. And I think that song just gave me

1266
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: the hope and it put me in front of a

1267
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of people when I needed to be put in

1268
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: front of a lot of people, you know, whether it

1269
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: was award shows or that song one NSAI song of

1270
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: the Year, which I had no idea like that how

1271
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: much that actually meant until Hillary said, hey, like Stephen,

1272
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: like this this is the one in town, that the

1273
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: big one. You know, this one's voted on. It's not

1274
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: block voting, this is voted on by all of your

1275
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: favorite songwriters, that this is the song they wish they wrote,

1276
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: and that kind of you know, like little things little things,

1277
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: huge things like that, you know, I think gave me

1278
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: the belief to keep moving forward and believing in myself.

1279
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: And there's no telling where this thing's going to end up.

1280
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: All I know is I'm like, I definitely don't have

1281
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: the quit in me and I have more reasons ever

1282
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: now to just keep writing music and seeing where it goes.

1283
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, sitting here with you, man, I'm like,

1284
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: that's just something. If you told me this four years ago,

1285
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have believed it. I just you know, but

1286
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, anything is possible, And I also think I'm

1287
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: trying to set an example for my kid now you

1288
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: know that anything's possible.

1289
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1290
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

1291
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: Channa, can you come over for a minute. Come on, baby,

1292
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 2: So your wife, who I know? I know she's your wife,

1293
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 2: but I don't know her as your wife. It doesn't

1294
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: make sense like I yell her. I know she's your wife,

1295
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: but I don't know you two together.

1296
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1297
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 2: Sometimes I know her from working right around the door

1298
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: in the studio in the same building as she hosted

1299
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: the ACM special that we did here. That's right, So

1300
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, how did you guys meet?

1301
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 4: We met in an interview CCMA word.

1302
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: Really you were interviewing him.

1303
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on the internet for everyone to see. Wow encounter.

1304
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. She actually had no idea who I was, which

1305
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: was the best part about it.

1306
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 4: So it was the ccma's Yeah in twenty eighteen in Hamilton,

1307
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 4: which we just actually came back from cc MAS, say this.

1308
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: Is what I needed here on the tea.

1309
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: Here we go.

1310
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: So you're interviewing him and you're like, okay, you got

1311
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: a song, Okay, you're a good singer. Where was that?

1312
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: Click that?

1313
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: And who followed up? Uh?

1314
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 4: It was instant because he was my last interview of

1315
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: the day. I did like thirty two interviews that day,

1316
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: and the Sony rep was like, hey, we have Stephen

1317
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 4: Lee Olsen and I was like sure Fried.

1318
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: At this point, yeah, my brain was done.

1319
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 4: And I just looked at my producer and was like,

1320
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 4: who is he give me Cole's notes and he was like,

1321
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 4: you know blue, your color reads by a good time,

1322
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, okay, And then I turned around

1323
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: and I mean, I'm a I'm a hugger, but I

1324
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: just remember turning around in him being there, and we

1325
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: both just instantly like smiled and he just gave me

1326
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 4: the biggest bear hug ever, and I was like, nice.

1327
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: To meet you.

1328
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 4: And we started doing the interview, and you know, normally

1329
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 4: when I do an interview, I'll address the camera, and like,

1330
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: I just stared at him the whole time, and we

1331
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 4: had a great It was a great interview.

1332
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: I can't remind any of it. I just know we

1333
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: were staring at each.

1334
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: Other, yeah, yeah, and just smile the whole time. But

1335
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 4: afterwards we just stayed friends for like a year. We

1336
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: were both in different relationships and we would he would

1337
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 4: send me songs and.

1338
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: D or text.

1339
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 4: It was DM for a while, and then we eventually

1340
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 4: I think when I was single, I was like, you

1341
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 4: can message me. And then when we were both single,

1342
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 4: I remember you had actually come into town to do

1343
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 4: an interview for Hello Country, and we went out for lunch,

1344
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: and I think we both were like, I don't know

1345
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 4: if we're friends.

1346
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that's it.

1347
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's it.

1348
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: That's the interview. Well you're good. Look at that. You

1349
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: like children. I know, yeah, but that's not that's only

1350
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: five years ago, right, Yeah, you still look like children.

1351
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: That's what that's pandemic age. Yeah, we that.

1352
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 4: We did a lot in the pandemic. We got engaged, married, pregnant,

1353
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 4: and had our son all in twenty twenty, so we

1354
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 4: moved quick.

1355
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: Your wife's really really good. She's really talented.

1356
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: I believe she's the best.

1357
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: No, no, I and that. But she's sexy, like the

1358
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: very second floweh is the the sheep. No, she she's

1359
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: really really talented. And you know, I guess the first

1360
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: time that I met you was yeah, maybe you interviewed me,

1361
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: and she wouldn't stop staring at me the whole time,

1362
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: and then she started sending me songs.

1363
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: It was a whole weird okay.

1364
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: But so, but you're you work down here in the States,

1365
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: but do you still do Canadian iHeart radio stuff?

1366
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 4: So I work for I Heart Canada, like syndicated across

1367
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 4: campus from Nashville.

1368
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: But do you do like if you have to award shows,

1369
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: does that like you're that person who services it to

1370
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: the whole iHeart Radio Country Canada type thing you should do?

1371
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: And I always tell people here like she's good, you

1372
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: should use her here, and they're always like, we're broke,

1373
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: and I'm like and I'm like, no, you're not. So

1374
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: your goals, your aspirations for in country music or just

1375
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: in media, Like, what's the goal for you?

1376
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 4: I mean not to be cliche, but like I've always

1377
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 4: watched you doing what you're doing. And I when I

1378
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 4: got hired by it was I hurt Canada, but we

1379
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 4: didn't have a syndicated thing. I was like, I want

1380
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 4: to do what he's doing, and how do we do

1381
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 4: that here? And I wasn't living in Nashville at the time,

1382
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 4: so they were like, all right, let's build a you know,

1383
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 4: national radio brand, and let's start a syndicated show, which

1384
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 4: had never really been done before. But my thing, I

1385
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 4: love radio. I just always wanted to do I like

1386
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,479
Speaker 4: sitting with people on camera because I feel like radio

1387
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: interviews are great, but when you actually get to see

1388
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 4: communication with someone in person, there's just like something you

1389
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: can't quite capture on air on radio like you can

1390
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 4: in person. So I always was like, one day I

1391
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 4: want to have a show on television somewhere where like,

1392
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 4: you know, what I do on the radio.

1393
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 2: Will be there. So what is your show every day?

1394
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 4: It's that's a four hour midday show that do.

1395
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: You have the rules?

1396
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: We have to play just so much Canadian music. Yes,

1397
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: because our countdowns on a bunch of Canadian places, and

1398
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: there's stuff have.

1399
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 6: To remove, like happy Fourth of July. Yeah, apparently you

1400
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 6: don't have that because they didn't set America free. Yes,

1401
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 6: and are you doing anything in the States like that's

1402
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 6: not Canadian at all yet?

1403
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we see you. We have to change Yeah,

1404
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: we have to change that.

1405
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 4: Yeah that's about it.

1406
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah this, I forgot your husbands even here me too.

1407
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm loving this. Well. I did want you to cut.

1408
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: But this is what's great because I like him better

1409
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: because of you, because we work together a little bit,

1410
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: and because I think we may have met once. Did

1411
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: we play like a weird songwriters thing a long time

1412
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: ago together? I think I did, like some comedy stuff

1413
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: in my first move of town and they were like play.

1414
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: Because the reason I say that is Stevens. I have

1415
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: a somewhere. I have one of those pread with both

1416
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: of our names on it. Oh really from like a

1417
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: Saint Jude songwriters thing that we both maybe, but maybe

1418
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: we even played separately, like like the junior varsity wards

1419
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: me junior varsity and then the real guys come on.

1420
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: It's you could have even been that.

1421
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: Man, I know I was. I was so scared to

1422
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: talk to you for the longest time. To me, well,

1423
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, you're kind of a big d

1424
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: in town but wild and now, you know, now being

1425
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: a little more seasoned and just very comfortable with who

1426
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: I am and just you know, not trying to be

1427
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: anything other than that, It's way easier to talk to

1428
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: people China to just when you.

1429
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: Know who you are, Yeah, and you're warm.

1430
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the only way I can

1431
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: move forward, you know, and in this industry is being

1432
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: authentically myself and being the non hunting crier that I am.

1433
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like even coming down to like my

1434
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: brother manages me now, I'm like, it's I need to

1435
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: be able to surround myself with people that that have

1436
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: the same best interest for me and it really his heart.

1437
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: And when the chips are down, when you know, when

1438
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: the world goes to ship, it's like your people are

1439
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: still your people no matter what. Hey, brother, we can

1440
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: move here, come on, buddy, I don't.

1441
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: Know I'm having say by me right here, it's right here,

1442
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: right here, got the whole freaking family down here, I know,

1443
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: right like this, my mom is going to be so

1444
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: bummed she didn't come to this. So older or younger, older,

1445
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: you can't tell. They are huge lights everywhere, so I

1446
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: can't really see how young and radiant your skin is

1447
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: or not either way, So I don't know. And what

1448
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: was what was he like as a little brother? You know,

1449
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: I think it's a typical little brother. Like we loved

1450
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: each other.

1451
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 5: We had a really great childhood, but we uh, we'd

1452
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 5: had our spats. I mean, he still can't take me for.

1453
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: Sure, can or can't?

1454
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: Can't?

1455
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 5: Oh, I bet for sure a bunch of times. Hey,

1456
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 5: I'll give it a no, but no it I mean

1457
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 5: we were always close. And you know, I went corporate

1458
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 5: America route. Actually I worked in ten ten Publishing and

1459
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 5: and Grandy Gee Building on music Row, so you stayed

1460
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 5: in music too. Two thousand and nine, I was working

1461
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 5: and I couldn't get my visa, so I ended up

1462
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 5: moving back to Canada, and I ended up getting sucked

1463
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 5: into corporate world. And I kind of just watched his

1464
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 5: career from the sideline since since two thy and twelve,

1465
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 5: do you.

1466
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: Guys call corporate Canada corporate America?

1467
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 4: You know what?

1468
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: I know?

1469
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: Twice that's a good.

1470
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: That's a good point.

1471
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: We went into Corporate America and I was like.

1472
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: America, Corporate North America.

1473
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're here now, and what

1474
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: is your goal for your brother at this point?

1475
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 5: My goal is to help him achieve his goals, whatever

1476
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 5: that is. You know, I've I'm in a position in

1477
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 5: my life where I was able to do things out

1478
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 5: of love instead of money. And you know, I don't

1479
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 5: love anything more than Steven, and I've watched his whole

1480
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 5: career and to be a part of it.

1481
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: Are you saying you made a lot of money and

1482
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: you're rich now?

1483
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: No?

1484
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean, if so, that's great. I am too

1485
01:04:58,760 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: much the same.

1486
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't say that, but I'm in a position

1487
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 5: I can. I mean, I still need some money, but

1488
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 5: I don't have to do things for money anymore.

1489
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: It's kinky.

1490
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: I was like, what were you doing, buddy? How deep

1491
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: do you want to go here? Not that deep?

1492
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 5: So?

1493
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

1494
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: And your brother is managing you? Yeah, you know, and

1495
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: as important as he is as your brother, there's got

1496
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: to be a line, you know what.

1497
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: We we actually get along insanely. Well, there's no one

1498
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: I respect more, love more. I'm like, we have the

1499
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: exact same interests. And the reality is there's nobody else

1500
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: that I think I could move forward in this industry

1501
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: with managing me, you know, because I've been through every

1502
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: management you can think of, like the massive managers. I've

1503
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: been through smaller management and then massive again, thinking that

1504
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: they were, you know, going to change my world completely,

1505
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: and all of them had this really common word that

1506
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: they used. Family. It's like we're a big family, you

1507
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we're here to the end

1508
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: and you know, and it's the the first people to

1509
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: jump when when the chips are down. That's what I noticed.

1510
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: And I was just at a place where I was like,

1511
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't think I can be broken because I'm naive.

1512
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: I believe everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I just believe that optimistice.

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Speaker 1: Line in between. I'm like, I just I want to

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01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: believe that people have as good as intentions as they

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01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: say they do and mean it when they say they

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01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: mean it. And this is this for me anyways. It

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01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: hasn't been a sprint. It's a marathon, you know, And

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01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that, especially when the people you

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01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: work with are they're trying to build something very quickly

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01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, not the overnight, because that's impossible

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: for me at this point. But you know, to try

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: and get like that big, huge thing that happens that

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01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: just you know, everything takes off from there, whether it's

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01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: TikTok or whether it's you know, a show or whatever

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01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: it is. It's always like get rich quick mentality, and

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01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: and I just I'm not built for that. I'm like,

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01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do all the work. I'm willing to

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: continue to make the art and go out and grind it.

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01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: My favorite part is meeting the fans, like there's no

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: one that will stay longer. I'm like, you're very similar

1532
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: in that way, and like you actually love your fans

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01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: and you give it to them, you know. But I

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: was just in a place where I'm like, I need

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: to if I'm going to continue to do this, I'm

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01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: going to shoot from the heart, be as authentic as

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01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: I can, write the music that's authentic to me, and

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01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: have a team that I literally want to win with.

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm like that, you know, when the chips are down

1540
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: there there, but when we win, it's that much sweeter,

1541
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, And how much cooler could it be than

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Speaker 1: winning with your bro Okay.

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Speaker 2: Let's end on this. We've done we will overall over

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01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: an hour. So out of fairness, I'm going to ask

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01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: you both of these questions because I just don't want

1546
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: the cliche answer. But give me the best trait about

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01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: your brother, not as a brother, but working with him

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01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: as an artist and as a peer like contemporary you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I would say there's two things that I believe

1550
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 5: in his heart. Is the number one thing he does

1551
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 5: the right thing and when he's authentic to himself, when

1552
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 5: he gets that out to people, he wins every single time.

1553
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 5: And the second thing is his Talent's insane the music

1554
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 5: and what I've watched him do for shoot, I mean

1555
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 5: sixteen years. I mean I've been there the whole time.

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01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 5: I've heard every song. It is insane, like how talented

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01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 5: he is. And when it gets out there, I have

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01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 5: full belief he'll reach every single goal that he ever

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01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 5: sets for himself. And it's just a matter of time

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 5: and he's willing to put in the work in the time,

1561
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 5: and so am I.

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Speaker 2: So those are the things, let's be fair. Also, what's

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Speaker 2: the hardest thing, what's the worst thing about him? As

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Speaker 2: professionally speaking.

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Speaker 5: I would say so he's he's been doing it for

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 5: a lot longer than me. I went to school for

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01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 5: it and I've had a big gap in between.

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Speaker 2: So he's smarter than he knows everything correct. Yeah yah

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: yah yeah yah yeah yeah yeah, I felt that. I

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01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: felt that. Yeah, everybody, okay, san husband wise, same thing,

1571
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 2: best and hardest, worst, best, first best.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, not a lot of people really know

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01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 4: who he is. I know him because I get to

1574
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 4: live with him every day, but most people because I

1575
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 4: came up on the other side of the industry, so

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Speaker 4: I saw the version of him that everybody else saw,

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01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 4: and a lot of teams in the past had him

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 4: kind of hold back his heart, his emotions who he was,

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 4: and I've always been like he's always you know in

1580
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 4: socials he's like, I don't want to let people see

1581
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 4: that side of me, Like, well, that's the side that

1582
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 4: I fell in love with that I get to see.

1583
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 4: So that to me, now that he's letting more people

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 4: in on that, you just kind of see where everyone's going. Like, man,

1585
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 4: like you said, he's so warm and his heart is

1586
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 4: so big. So there's nobody that believes in like his

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 4: art more than him. So when he starts to really

1588
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 4: put that out. I think it's going to be great.

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Speaker 1: The hard stuff here, we go back on this one.

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Speaker 2: Give him the real real on like husband, husband, heart,

1591
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: what's the worst? What's the worst thing?

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's the other side of that is

1593
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 4: like he's his own worst critic, and sometimes I have

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 4: to be there to remind him, you know, like something

1595
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 4: being perfect, it's actually better if it's not. Like let

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 4: people see you know, your performance where you break down

1597
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 4: and cry when you're performing something. He's like, yeah, but

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01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 4: it doesn't sound as good. I'm like, yeah, but that's

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 4: means you're real. You're like a real human that's feeling

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Speaker 4: things and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: I get for you. I need that for my wife

1602
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 2: because I go crazy and she has to really sometimes

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01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: slap me back into some sort of normal, see, because

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: I won't accept it from anybody else. I'm like, you

1605
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: have no idea what you're talking about. You don't. But

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 2: she's the only person that I will even let have

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01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 2: the option of correcting something. And sometimes she doesn't even

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: the option anymore, so she just.

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Speaker 4: Have his socials.

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Speaker 2: So I just log, well, mister Stephen mark Olsen, I

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Speaker 2: love that on Instagram. You guys, Steven Lee Olsen, TikTok.

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 2: You're TikTok again. It's been doing great, like it really is.

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01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: Congratulations from just like making it like your piece of pizza.

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Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, kind of not looking left or looking right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's really and you can tell that too,

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Speaker 2: So you guys follow my TikTok Steven Lee Olsen music,

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Speaker 2: good luck. I think this is the start, the earliest

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Speaker 2: start of this version this season, which is super cool.

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Speaker 1: I love that man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and thanks to the family. We've never done

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Speaker 2: the full part of the family because the first time ever, right, Mike,

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01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: we got We're gonna need bigger cast laying across all

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Speaker 2: of us now, all right, see thanks

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Speaker 3: For listening to a Bobby Cast production