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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Left That podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is consa promotor. Danny's a list of who's

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Speaker 1: got a brand new book all excess Danny. Good to happen,

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Speaker 1: Great to be here, Bob. How are you? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the most important thing first. How do

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Speaker 1: you become a member of the White Castle Hall of Fame? UM?

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Speaker 1: Last year, You're good friend. Toby Mamis made me aware

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Speaker 1: of the fact that Alice was going to get an

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Speaker 1: Alice Cooper's corner at the new White Castle in Scottsdale.

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Speaker 1: There has never been other than the Vegas White Castle

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Speaker 1: on the Strip. Uh, There's never been another White Castle

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Speaker 1: franchise in Arizona anywhere west of the Mississippi. UM, there

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Speaker 1: are no franchises. They're all family owned. I tried to

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Speaker 1: buy one forty years ago and they said we're family owned,

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Speaker 1: forget it. And I ended up meeting up with these

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Speaker 1: people and and and working with them with Alice for

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Speaker 1: this uh grand opening. And it was no big deal,

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Speaker 1: was just a couple of phone calls and so forth.

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Speaker 1: But I ended up showing up there with them. I

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Speaker 1: met the family, the white Castle family, that's the real

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Speaker 1: last name white Castle family. And they ended up becoming

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Speaker 1: friendly with me, and then I said, well, hell, John

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Speaker 1: Prine should go into the Hall of Fame. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a major white Castle lover. And and then Tommy

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Speaker 1: Shaw came to town in January and we had a

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Speaker 1: show and after the show, I had a crave case backstage,

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Speaker 1: which the bands just go crazy for when you have

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Speaker 1: White Castles. After the show for him and Tommy Shaw

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Speaker 1: went crazy. So I talked to this guy at White

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Speaker 1: Castle and I said, we'd like to do another Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame thing. I got John Prine and I got

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Speaker 1: Tommy Shawn and I'll do it too if you want.

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Speaker 1: And he he loved me, and I met him with

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Speaker 1: the Alice thing, and one thing led to another, and

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Speaker 1: we had this little induction ceremony in the Nashville White

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Speaker 1: Castle because that's where both Tommy and Fiona Prime live.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh. It was a great, great experience. So

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Speaker 1: to to enhance that, they sent me out these things

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Speaker 1: twenty Hamburgers in there for you and you walk away

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Speaker 1: like it's a little briefcase. They sent me a thousand

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Speaker 1: of those to send out my book into the people

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Speaker 1: who are buying it online. And then they gave me

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Speaker 1: coupons to to get free uh uh frozen burgers and

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Speaker 1: and if you're in the town that's got real White Castle,

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Speaker 1: you can go there. And they had a coupon for

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Speaker 1: three burgers. So I called the dinner in a show.

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Speaker 1: I sent a couple of little wine tasting glasses in

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Speaker 1: the box along with the book. And everybody's really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the presentation. Yeah, the presentation is great. I was surprised.

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Speaker 1: You don't normally get someone putting that much thought into it.

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Speaker 1: But just to go back, the national headquarters of White

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Speaker 1: Castle are were It's in Columbus, Ohio. Columbus, Ohio. So

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Speaker 1: did you grow up eating White Castle? I did? Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, back in the fifties. Uh, you know, six kids,

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Speaker 1: We don't go out for dinner very often. But when

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Speaker 1: And that's the whole idea behind that restaurant. I've always

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Speaker 1: loved them for that, They've the family thing about it,

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Speaker 1: and and and just the fact that they're always open

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Speaker 1: You know, I've heard from varying people about pulling all

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Speaker 1: miters and going to White Castle, and they would tell

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Speaker 1: One time? I would have to say the one and

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Speaker 1: only time I did ten was in a white Castle

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Speaker 1: eating contest that Adam west Batman was the judge of.

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Speaker 1: And I tied with a local TV celebrity and Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: And afterwards I said, Adam, can I use your bus?

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Speaker 1: But you know, nowadays I'm a two or three White

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Speaker 1: ripped me up. Okay, let's switch gears again. You are

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Speaker 1: And most people don't have it. I mean I personally

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Speaker 1: whether or not you're carrying. If you're not carrying, go in.

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Speaker 1: If you are carrying stuff over here, we'll tell you

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Speaker 1: And until that can happen. I mean, right now, what

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Speaker 1: this point. But the bottom line is for us, our

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Speaker 1: rebooking gigs, putting holds on as a promoter. Is that

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Speaker 1: It seems ridiculous to me, um, that that this is

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Speaker 1: what we're doing right now is a half life. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, So how many full time people let's talk

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Speaker 1: prior to the virus. How many full time people did

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Speaker 1: you have at Dennis Alescope Presents, UM just six and

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Speaker 1: Right now, you're in Maui. How long have you been

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Speaker 1: So is there anything going on with those people? And

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Speaker 1: so long. This is our chance to get together and

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Speaker 1: seat fillers, um and and a lot of these people,

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00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the marketers at the hotels in Vegas

428
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: goes straight to these people and and given a lotment

429
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: of tickets to those people right out of the box,

430
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: which I think is a horrific mistake. Why not just

431
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: price your tickets right to begin with. If that's what

432
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna do or do less shows. But a lot

433
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: of these shows are there for their sit down, long,

434
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: extended type stage, and I guess they have to do that.

435
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: I try never to do that with any of my shows,

436
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: you know. Ever, I don't like using those discount platforms

437
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: or or the ticket I don't know. They're not necessarily scalpers,

438
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: they're brokers, um. I mean they're good for getting the

439
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: word out if you need to have uh, if you

440
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: need to have some extras people put into some seats.

441
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: But as a rule, I don't use them. But I'm

442
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: aware that a lot of people use them up there. Okay.

443
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: And do you ever paper a show when I have to?

444
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: You know? I mean i'll paper a show when it

445
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: usually always when the act is willing to say I

446
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: don't want to look like hell, you know, fill in

447
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: those blanks and well, will work it out and we'll adjust.

448
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: That does happen, um rarely, rarely that happens. But yeah,

449
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I'll paper something to make somebody look better as long

450
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: as they're willing to soften the blow on my end.

451
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: And did you paper those uh New Year's Eve shows? No?

452
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: I didn't, Um, we didn't paper those at all. There

453
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: was a couple of glaring holes there that the accident like, Um,

454
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: but I had I had asked them both, should we

455
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: fill those in? Should we paper? They said, we don't care.

456
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: We're getting paid the same amount. I said, but I'm

457
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: not going to go out and give away five dollar

458
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: free tickets if you're not going to help me out

459
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: on the other side. And none of them wanted to,

460
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: so I didn't do it. Okay, So what kind of

461
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: deal do you get? Now? It's well known in the

462
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: business today that if you own the building, your profit

463
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: margins go up, and not owning a building or difficult

464
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: more difficult for you. So if you go to Vegas,

465
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: what kind of deals do you get with the whole

466
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: explain the numbers? Well, you know, it depends. Some places

467
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: will just pay me a commission to buy an act

468
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: for him. But when I'm at risk, when it's my

469
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: money in somebody else's building, you know, I I look

470
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: for whatever breaks that they could give me. For example, UM,

471
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: most hotels are still uh, casino hotels are generally still

472
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: very generous with rooms for the stars that around the Marquee. UM.

473
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: That's one of the old school perks that I still

474
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: like a lot um that because the groups like that,

475
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: they like getting more of a net income kind of

476
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: a date where they're not spending thousands of dollars on

477
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: hotel rooms for the night. So the groups like that,

478
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: they like coming in for a couple of nights. But

479
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: as far as the deals I get, you know, it

480
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: all depends on the hotel. Uh. If they're so hot

481
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: that they're getting all the big groups. I mean, they

482
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: charge you up the ying yang and you're paying you're

483
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: paying full retail. Uh, You're you're not getting any breaks,

484
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: you're not getting free rent um. They're they're charging ticket

485
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: search charges on top of their ticket search charges in

486
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: some cases. So I'm I'm a little bit larry about Vegas.

487
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: But I did manage to strike some decent deals with Westgate,

488
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: which used to be the Hope and where Elvis played,

489
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: and the people at Caesars, and I put a couple

490
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: of shows on sale right before all this happened at

491
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: paris Um and they're very nice people there, and I'm

492
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: hoping that we can resume when we picked back up again.

493
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you know, I mean, I started

494
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: in Vegas before any of the other current concert promoters

495
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: were there in the early eighties and now they're all there. Um,

496
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's like any any other thing. When you

497
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: get a good idea, you've got a good thing going,

498
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: sooner or later, it's just a matter of when people

499
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: are gonna come after you, uh and take over or

500
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: try to take over that business because you've opened the

501
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: door for it. And in the eighties, you know, nobody

502
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: was coming to Vegas from from rock and roll. In

503
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: the early nineties we started doing those dead shows at

504
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: the Stadium there, which really broke open Vegas to two

505
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: younger people, and which is something we're all very proud

506
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: of it. Bill Graham and and and Me and Jam

507
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: and Evening Star and everybody that was part of those

508
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: things there created a real legend up there and really

509
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: broke open that market. But since then, um, you know,

510
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: eight between a G and Live Nation, they've got most

511
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: of the good rooms wrapped up big and small, So

512
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: it makes it difficult to to survive up there. Honestly, now,

513
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: as an independent promoter, wherever you do it show, whether

514
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: it be Vegas or Arizona or elsewhere, what are the

515
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: economics when they had the roll up been of uh

516
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: S f X ultimately sold to Clear Channel becomes Live Nation.

517
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Michael Rapino tried to reduce guarantees into the amphitheaters. What

518
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: we know with many Oxiday forget club shows, But as

519
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: you move up the ladder, the act essentially gets all

520
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: of the phase value of the tickets and the promoter

521
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: makes his money on the ticketing fees and other charges.

522
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: What what's your situation with Danny's Alisco presents? You know,

523
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: I try to make deals with buildings where we share

524
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: uh and in the income. If generally speaking, if I

525
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: buy a show right, I'm gonna make money if I

526
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: do business, which is a high threshold to me. Um,

527
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: most buildings don't want to give up anything, you know,

528
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: like like any of their tickets or charges, food and drink, merchandise.

529
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: What have your rebates? Um, you gotta get creative with

530
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: them and figure out how to share whatever it is

531
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: you're making with them. I mean, at this stage of

532
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: the game, for me, my first my first inclination is

533
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: to try to hedge my bet and make sure that

534
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: if it does go south, I can I can curtail

535
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: the losses by making a deal with the building to say, look,

536
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: if this doesn't work out, as well as I want. Perhaps, uh,

537
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: you can help me out at the settlement, you know,

538
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: if we and and that's a great place where I'll

539
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: paper something um and again I haven't had to do

540
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: that so often. Bottom line is, you want to go

541
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: into every deal you can trying to get a piece

542
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: of everything that's available, especially if you're taking all the risk.

543
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: Otherwise you you find yourself at that juncture where you go,

544
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the show. There's too much risk,

545
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: and the building hats to keep all the money and

546
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: not share, So screw it. I won't do it. Okay,

547
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: under the best of circumstances, if you go clean, sell

548
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: out all the tickets to the four thousand UH cedar

549
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: with the acts you mentioned, how much can you net

550
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: net to to Danny's a LISTO irrelevant of paying your

551
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: people Underneath that, you know it's gonna all depend on

552
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: your ticket prices, what your deal is with the act.

553
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: But on on a low on a four thousand seater,

554
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: you should make at least twenty thousand dollars, and if

555
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: you cut your deal right, you should make forty Okay,

556
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: if you're in a thousand, If you're in a thousand

557
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: and fifteen hundred cedar, which is where a lot of

558
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: my shows go. And I'm happy about that because that's

559
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: where people in my age want to see shows. They

560
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: don't want to go to arenas and stadiums or festivals.

561
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: And and if you know, if I come out of

562
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: there with ten to fifteen thousand UM and and a

563
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: and a nice night with the Australian Floyd and Mace

564
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: Arts Center or Crosby Stills in nash or Jackson Brown

565
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: or you know any of these people, if I can

566
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: make in that vicinity of money, I'm I'm a happy guy.

567
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: And what are the guarantees for acts like that? They're

568
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: gonna go anywhere from thirty to a hundred a quarter? Okay, Now,

569
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: one thing, I've sat with promoters backstage, and they have

570
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: two sets of books, and frequently there is no idea

571
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. They have no there's no overage. Basically,

572
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: the act gets its guarantee and unless everything is sold

573
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: and it's a good night, there's nothing after. What's your experience?

574
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: My experience, Bob is and and you're gonna laugh, but

575
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: it's true. I always try to strike as fair of

576
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: a deal as I possibly can with the agent or

577
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: the artist. Uh. Going in my goal, especially when I

578
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: get a fairer guarantee, what I consider the right guarantee.

579
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: My goal is to write them the biggest possible check

580
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the night that I can, because

581
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: I want them to come back and visit me. I

582
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: know that if I do a good job with somebody

583
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: and the date, the results of the date get out

584
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: and around the very small group of people that promote

585
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: shows in my area. The next time they come around,

586
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have an easy time book on them,

587
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna say I want that act, and they're

588
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna offer them more. So, the best way into a

589
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: band's heart is paying overage checks. And and uh, I

590
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: mean like with with Frankie Valley and Jackson Parsons. We

591
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: have shows that that break even. We have shows where

592
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: I make a little bit of money, and there shows

593
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: where I make a good deal of money and they

594
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: make even more money. Um. And and the the issue

595
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: that we never had of that I used to have

596
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: a lot as a promoter was that whole dual set

597
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: of books type of a mentality where they just feel

598
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: like you're out to fuck them, you know. And and

599
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna add on this and add on that and

600
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: cheat them and so forth. My whole thing has always

601
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: been to write them as big of a check as possible,

602
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: and they know it. And he lets say, the business

603
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: has completely changed. One could say the modern business started

604
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: with Frank Barcelona, and he had his territories that ended

605
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: with the roll up of the consolidation. And what also

606
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: tended to end was the loyalty you used to play

607
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: an act in a club and as they were successful

608
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: all the way up to Arenas, the question I have

609
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: for you is, how do you get talent today, especially

610
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: with Live Nation y G with a lot of these

611
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: acts willing to make national or international deals. How do

612
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: you get dates? They're they're kind of they're there, these

613
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: mbtwe leaners, you know. Um. It seems to me that

614
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of the acts I do,

615
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: people from the buying standpoint have either forgot about them

616
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: or in many cases, they're not even aware of who

617
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: they are. Because the buyers today around the country, I mean,

618
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot of independent buyers out there, but

619
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: most of the independent buyers and and and the buyers

620
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: that work for the ages and the live nations are younger,

621
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: and they're filling up their nightclubs, which I don't do. Um,

622
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: there's P A C groups, a lot of which I

623
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: work with, But I'm kind of like floating in between

624
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these different client lists that these agencies

625
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: have where I'm going for people that I've worked with

626
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: for many years. UM, to me, they're still great, they're exciting,

627
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: they're fun. People still love to see him in the

628
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: right halls. They're willing to pay a little bit more money.

629
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: And unfortunately for me, a lot of a lot of

630
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: other promoters don't care about these groups. And that's I

631
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what else to say. I mean,

632
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: I used to do. I did more John Prime shows

633
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: as an independent promoter prior to selling Das Effects than

634
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: any other show that I ever did. And it was

635
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: because nobody cared, Nobody got it, nobody understood. They weren't

636
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: willing to do the work. It took the promotium into

637
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: the grassroots marketing that it takes to make these people grow,

638
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: and it took years for John to grow and and

639
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: and sadly he was taken from us this year. But

640
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: this guy, he, I mean, he was he turned into

641
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: a six figure act. I used to pay him five

642
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: grand of nine and and it's he grew up with

643
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: his audience, and he got bigger as he grew up.

644
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean, good for me that I'm hip

645
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: to these guys, bad for them that they're not. But

646
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: they got all the Taylor Swift Scenarian grand Days and

647
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish's and all these hot groups, which I must

648
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: admit I'm a little envious that I don't get to

649
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: work with like I would if it was twenty or

650
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. But I'm happy with what I got.

651
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: You know, I can't cry about what other people are

652
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: doing that I'm not that ain't right. How many shows

653
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: you do a year? Now? About and how far do

654
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: you go outside of Arizona in Vegas? I did? Um

655
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: uh farthest I went in the last year was I.

656
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: I had Gordon Lightfoot and Alan Parson's both at Town

657
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: Hall in New York City. I started doing shows in

658
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: Chicago as Scottie Gelman, who I met when he was

659
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: with Jam And we've been doing shows in a place

660
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: called the Copernicus Center as well as the Rosemont Theater,

661
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: which is a beautiful place. Um. We went to Green

662
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Bay with Frankie Valley. We're going back there with Frankie Valley.

663
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: We're also going there with Bachman Cummings and Dave Mason,

664
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: which is a show that I put together. Um. Dave

665
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: Mason lives over here in Hawaiian to see him. This weekend,

666
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: I went to Atlanta and Houston with Alan Parson's. Um.

667
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'll go as far as because because I

668
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: know these groups and I know how to promote them

669
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: and I know how to work with them, I can

670
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: do them in different places, even with a smaller office

671
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: like I have, And and to me, that's like the

672
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: most fun I've ever had is flying around with these guys,

673
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: staying in the hotels, having our dinners, having our shows,

674
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: having our after shows. It's really special. You know, it's

675
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. How many dates will you do

676
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: with one act? What's the most you've done with one

677
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: act in the last couple of years, Frankie, Uh, Frankie

678
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: and I do a lot of shows, but in the

679
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: last year too. It just it just keeps getting a

680
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: little bit more and more. Same with Parsons, same with Gordon.

681
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like they'll call me up and say, where do

682
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: you want to go, and I'll say to them, you

683
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: got the books on it, where do you need to go?

684
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: Where haven't you been? I never want to try to

685
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: poach an act from somebody in a market where they

686
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: already have history with them. I still pay attention to that,

687
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: although most people don't anymore. I think that kind of

688
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: stuff is important. You don't need things like that bite

689
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: me in the button, chasing you around. But there's a

690
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: lot of bands out there that don't have regular promoters

691
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of good markets. Um, not just the

692
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: ones I'm talking about, there's plenty of others. And uh,

693
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean with with these bands that I'm

694
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: talking about. It takes enthusiasm on my end and the

695
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: hall's end and the local media. And to make that

696
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: important to the audience that's there who doesn't know or

697
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: care whether or not that's that comes until you bring

698
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: it to them and make it important for them to go.

699
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: And that's why people go to shows. How do you

700
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: market a show? What is your special loss? And there's

701
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: both behind the curtain in front of the curtain. What

702
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: about the experience? Do you give the audience that a

703
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: special that will help you build the band? So Hey,

704
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: how do you get the people in the building be

705
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: what do you do special when they're inside the building?

706
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: You know? UM, I don't know if im what our order,

707
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I'll answer that in But how I get him in

708
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: the building is. I find that the the e blasts

709
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: UH emails UM to a database from a radio station

710
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: or the hall UH generally is a really great way

711
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: to get the word out because they already have tech

712
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: semitech savvy people who who are signed up and and

713
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: like getting notices about shows. Social media has been a

714
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: great help to getting the word out. UM. Doing the

715
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: pre sales is is a good thing in and making

716
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: sure good seats are available on both the pre sale

717
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: and the first day of sale is very important. UM.

718
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, I mean on the on the first day.

719
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: Going into my first day of on sales with these

720
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: shows that hold a thousand, two thousand tickets, I like

721
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: going in with three or five tickets sold under the

722
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: radar without spending a dime before I've even started my

723
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: my spending money on media. UM. I I still like

724
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: print in some markets, as archaic as it sounds, and

725
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: it is in many cases. UM, I've been doing less

726
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: and less of that, But I was one of the

727
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: last guys to give up on print. I love billboards

728
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: for on sales and the week of shows. Um, getting

729
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: involved with three radio stations, just your regular FM stations,

730
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: if they're into it and they're willing to promote it

731
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: for you for a few days, just to get the

732
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: word out, you know, with my with my acts, the

733
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: acts that I promote, most of them are pretty well

734
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: known and when you hear their names, you know it

735
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: immediately or you don't. There's not a whole lot of

736
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: education involved as opposed to you know what, you've got

737
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: to jump through hoops and educating people about bands. I

738
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: like going to the I like going to the halls

739
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: that my audience likes to go to. I like to

740
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: make sure they get their tickets without any hassle. Um.

741
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm always around at the shows, and I make myself

742
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: known presently so if they got a problem, they can

743
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: ask me about it or say something to me. Um

744
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: to me, UH, putting on the show on time, when

745
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: when you say you're gonna put the show on, uh

746
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: without a whole bunch of drama is the best time

747
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: that I think I can provide for somebody. When somebody

748
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: buys a ticket, to a show. I don't want them

749
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: to worry about that their seats there, or that it's clean,

750
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: or that there's a good parking space or a bathroom

751
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: or drinks to buy at the bar. All that kind

752
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: of stuff, like you're thrown a party has got to

753
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: be in order so that you can be a good

754
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: host for people. Um, there's there's not a whole lot

755
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: of bells and whistles and fireworks beyond that that that

756
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I provide. Rather, I do try to provide a congenial atmosphere. Um.

757
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: I go out in front of every show and welcome

758
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: the audience and kind of make them feel like they're

759
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: part of it. That was something that I used to

760
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: see Bill Graham do all the time, and he was

761
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: the greatest at it. And I've always done that the

762
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: whole time. It's like one of the fun times of

763
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: the night where I get to say loo to our

764
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: customers and and they seem to really appreciate that, and

765
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I loved I love doing it. Yeah, speaking of Bill Graham,

766
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning, because that's when you

767
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: met Bill Graham. How did you meet Bill and what

768
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: was your relationship with him? As time went on and

769
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: his pluses and minuses. Um. I learned about him growing

770
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: up in Chicago in the late sixties early seventies. Back

771
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: at that time, you didn't have the Internet, but we

772
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: we had you know, Rolling Stone and you every now

773
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: and then something would be on TV or being Circus

774
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: magazine or or teen Beat. Uh, not that much with

775
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: Bill Gramm and Team Beat. So um, but you know,

776
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: I learned about him. And then there was all the

777
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: hubbub about the Fillmore's opening and closing, and and right

778
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: about the time that he closed them is when I

779
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: got out of high school and I went to San

780
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: Francisco with a couple of friends, and I was trying

781
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: to move there. I I brought my records in my

782
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: stereo with me and everything, and there was a lot

783
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: of them. Um. So I went to a show, uh,

784
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: and and I jumped onto an equipment truck and started

785
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: unloading some gear. And when I came down the ramp,

786
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: it was, yes, his equipment truck. I had an English

787
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: accent when I talked to the San Francisco guys, and

788
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: when I went back up the ramp, I talked like

789
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: the San Francisco guy to the English guys. So they

790
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: all thought I was working for the other the whole

791
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: day until Bill walked into catering and picked me up

792
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: by the car and said, who's this kid? You know?

793
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: And Uh. It went on from there. That was in

794
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: seventy two. By nineteens. In seventy four, he asked me

795
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: to move to Denver because he had a partner in

796
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: Denver that he was having a problem with. UM, a

797
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: long time promoter up there had some had something going on.

798
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I didn't ask, but he offered

799
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: me four dollars a month, and I said, I'm not

800
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: going to starve even for you, Bill Um. So I passed,

801
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: and I started doing shows in Phoenix and one thing

802
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: led to another. Couple of years later, he's calling me

803
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: up for helping him out on the stars. Born answered

804
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: that he did for Barbara Streisan and John Peters. He

805
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: did the concert that brought the people into the stadium

806
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: to do the background shots for Chris and Barbara in

807
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: the in the movie, and we had a great time there.

808
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: I drove him around for a couple of weeks, met Christofferson,

809
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: became great friends with him. He lives down the street

810
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: from where I'm sitting right now. UM and Uh, I didn't.

811
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: I didn't actually get to do a show with Bill

812
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: until seven. I talked to him into doing The Grateful

813
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: deadic Compton Terrorist in Phoenix, which was owned by the

814
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: Knicks family Jess and his wife and brother and Stevie,

815
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: and we sold seventeen thousand tickets there. And Bill just

816
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: love that, and uh, it was way bigger than he

817
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: thought it would ever be. And we became very close,

818
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: and I thought would be for a very long time.

819
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: We would be very close. Um. I went visited with

820
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: him and stayed with him at Massada up in San Francisco,

821
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: and I maintained my relationship with Bob Barsodi, who was

822
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: the guy that kind of brought me in UM back

823
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: in that high school show with Yes, And we we

824
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: ended up starting together those Grateful Dead shows and and

825
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: unfortunately that was a few months later Bill was dead,

826
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: but we had we had a fantastic time. We were

827
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: two peas in a pond. Okay, what makes you successful?

828
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: Danny's alesko tenacity? You know, I like to think I

829
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: stay after it, Bob, it's um you know at this stage,

830
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, like it's the same as it was was

831
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: was when I when I was a little kid. It's

832
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: one step after the other. If you find something good

833
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: with one step, there must be another one, and another

834
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: one and another one. Saying know to yourself is probably

835
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: the biggest hang up. I think that to turn to

836
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: get get some people's ways when they when they're trying

837
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: to do anything much less than the music business. It's

838
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: a very difficult business to break into. If I had

839
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: to do it over again, I would give it myself

840
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: a second thought about it. It was very rough. Uh.

841
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: It's been difficult at sometimes, but overall, on a score

842
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: of one to a hundred, I would give it nine.

843
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: Is a great career that I've been fortunate enough to have. Um.

844
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: My success comes from not taking no for an answer

845
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: when I know it should be yes, um, and doing

846
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: it in such a way where you're not a pain

847
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: the ask to people where they really don't want to

848
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: be around you, but rather you know, figuring out a

849
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: way to point out why it's a good thing to

850
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: do business with me. And and after all, fortunately after

851
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: all these years forty something years of doing all these shows,

852
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: somehow the good stuff stuck. Uh. As far as being

853
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: a fan, loving the music, trying to be fair, be

854
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: a good guy, Um, you know, I'm not a boy

855
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: scout by any means, but but when it comes to

856
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: this business, there's a lot of guys who are anything

857
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: but boy scouts. And and the the average lifespan of

858
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: a promoter isn't really that long the last time I checked.

859
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: So to be in it after all this time, you know,

860
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a great failing believer. Now, if you read

861
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: your book, and I recommend it's certainly a tale from

862
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: a different viewpoint. It's very personal. But astounded me when

863
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: you grew up in Chicago, and it's a little bit

864
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: of an overstatement to say you knew every famous athlete

865
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: in Chicago, but almost so, you know, how did this happen?

866
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: And who did you mean? Well, in the early sixties,

867
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: Chicago was full of these eight sports stars. Ernie Banks

868
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, first black player for the Cubs.

869
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: Um one of the nicest people I've ever known. There

870
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: was guys on the White Sox, like many men knows

871
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: so Joe Cunningham stretched cunning him the first baseman who

872
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: would do the splits when he when he reached out

873
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: for a ball at first base. There was the hockey players,

874
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: Bobby Bobby Holland, Stan Mikita Um and the Bears won

875
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: that championship in And that was right when I was

876
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: becoming aware of my surroundings and all these different people

877
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: who were really unattainable to me. I couldn't ever dream

878
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: of meeting these people, much less anything else. And I

879
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: had an older brother named Jimmy, and he was three

880
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: years older than me, and he started going down to

881
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: the ballpark, so this was in sixty three sixty four.

882
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: He taught my parents and let me go along with them,

883
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: and we'd gather our baseball cards you get signed, or

884
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: football cards, and one by one by one, we had

885
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: access to these players because they parked in parking lots

886
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: like normal people, across from the entrance to get in,

887
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: so we could have access to them. And after a

888
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: while they get to recognize us. They walk us into

889
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: the ball games. We never paid to get into a game,

890
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: they walked us in. We had everything with these guys,

891
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: and and we learned the mannerisms and the nature and

892
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: the ability to get along with not only older people,

893
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: but famous people, and and and and to realize when

894
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: when you're not being a groupie type, you're being more

895
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: like a friend and there were so many great athletes

896
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and the fact that we got to be

897
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: around them and I and I would see other people

898
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: who would screw up and be stupid around them, and

899
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, you've learned for yourself. You make yourself a

900
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: little note to your to yourself, and you don't be

901
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: an idiot, don't do that. And and you learn that

902
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: that speak celebrity speak, and and it's segued into music

903
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: in the late you know, in the late sixties. UM

904
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: and and it was I found it was the same

905
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: thing with them. People who have special abilities, whether it's

906
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: behaving a baseball or playing a guitar. In many cases,

907
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: because they're so special at one thing, they don't pay

908
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: attention to normal things. And that's kind of like where

909
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: I figured I could fit in. UM. I heard, you know,

910
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: like when Marilyn Monroe got killed her or or somebody

911
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: killed themselves in Hollywood, I thought to myself, they didn't

912
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: have anybody good to talk to. They needed a good

913
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: friend there. Right then, I didn't know about managers and

914
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: agents and personal assistance and all that stuff. But it

915
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: occurred to me that maybe that would have helped back then,

916
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: and the whole the whole study of the of the

917
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: personalities for me, and I didn't know it at the time.

918
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not no shrink. It was so fascinating

919
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: to me getting into these people's heads and and them

920
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: and realizing they actually would like me and we would

921
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: become friends. And you know, Brian Piccolo's calling me up

922
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: at home at dinner time about something and my dad

923
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: answered the phone. What was this Brian Piccolo? Yeah, sure

924
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: it is hold on wise guy and he can't be

925
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: the phone I got Dad. It was really Brian. You

926
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: should be nicer to him next time. Um. It was

927
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, for for a middle class kid that that

928
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: whole thing was. When I think back on it, was

929
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: was astounding. But there was a reason for it. I

930
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: just didn't know what it was. A done. Okay, let's

931
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: go a little a little bit deeper. You know, most

932
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: people don't have the privilege to be able to meet

933
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: famous people, and as you say, they tend to be

934
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: group piece, but they also tend to pinch themselves. We've

935
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: all had that experience. Go I'm sitting here talking to

936
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: this world famous person. How did you check yourself such

937
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: that you could continue to be a friend. How did

938
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: you get yourself in that headspace. You know. It's like

939
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: you you don't just learn out of books. You you

940
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: learn from experience. You learn by paying attention to what's

941
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: happening right in front of you. And and you can

942
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: tell you can vide people out. And it was before

943
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: I knew what vibing people out meant, but as a

944
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: little kid um discovering things and being able to share

945
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: them with people. For instance, you know, like I wrote

946
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: about in the book about discovering the Beatles, uh, not discovering, discovering,

947
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: but discovering their record before anybody else did. In Chicago,

948
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: friends of mine, net Is and and I remember how

949
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: hard it was to turn people onto the Beatles until

950
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: the Alvan show happened, and then of course they forgot

951
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: that I had please please me for a year before that.

952
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: But I was very proud to myself about that. And

953
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: it's I didn't want to go Nona, not you know,

954
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: to everybody else, see I told you so, It's more

955
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: like I realized that I was onto something, and I

956
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: maintained that kind of presence with when talking to or

957
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: being around these people, like you belong, you fit in

958
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: as you belong. You're not there to be window dressing

959
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: or to be a hanger on, you know, or some

960
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: sort of a starfucker or something like that. You're you're

961
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: you're there because you like them and you're drawn to them,

962
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: and you figure out a way to be invited back,

963
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: and and doing that is by being subtle and not obnoxious. Okay,

964
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, you go on. You have a special relationship

965
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: with Ernie Banks. Can you tell a little us a

966
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: little bit more about that? Sure? Um, Ernie Uh, Ernie

967
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: was always kind to the kids. My brother and I

968
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: became friendly with him, um and and special friends to him.

969
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: I felt he would call in on us. He would

970
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: call us at home and check on us. Make sure

971
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: every now and then, not all the time, but once

972
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: every few months. You guys doing your homework? Are you

973
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: practicing your baseball when you come into the park. Do

974
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: you need some tickets? I mean this is four or five, six, seven?

975
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: And after he left baseball in the early seventies, my

976
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: brother was a publicist PR guy. He was working for

977
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: the Illinois Entertainer at the time, UM and some other

978
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: and he did some stuff for Scarlett Rivera you know,

979
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: hurt um and and he got around doing that. But Unfortunately,

980
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: he had a heart disease which killed him in We

981
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna live till he was five or six,

982
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: and he lived to his thirty So he had a

983
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: great life and that was fantastic. But you're talking about

984
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: your brother here, not Ernie Banks. I'm talking about my brother, Jimmy. Yeah.

985
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: So he started doing pr for Ernie after Ernie got

986
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: out of baseball, and and they would get together and

987
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: they would try to drum up some business. This was

988
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: before you know, the classic ball players were able to

989
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: make a great living signing autographs. Ernie made so much

990
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: more money signing autographs than he ever did as a player.

991
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: But being a player enabled him to be that guy

992
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: that can make thousands for signing his name, and Jimmy

993
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: would help him with that. And uh, and we always

994
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: stayed in touch. When he came to Arizona every year

995
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: for for spring training, we would have a golf game

996
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: or some drinks. And in fact, one one time he

997
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: was going to do one of those brand camp for

998
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: old people and he decided he didn't want to do

999
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: it once he got to Phoenix, so he gave me

1000
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: his uniform and he says, go be Ernie Banks. For me.

1001
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: I'll be back at the end of the week. And

1002
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: and uh that was fun. Uh. Me showing up with

1003
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: Ernie Banks's uniform drooping on me was was quite a picture,

1004
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: but it worked. Um. One of the last things that

1005
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: ever happened with Ernie with me. Ernie asked me if

1006
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: I could get Lady Gaga to play at Wrigley Field,

1007
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: And I called Jerry Barrett and and asked him about that,

1008
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: but he said there was no no availability, sadly, and uh,

1009
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: we never got to do that show. But he he

1010
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: was just one of those He became family. When my

1011
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: brother died, he came to the wake and he ended

1012
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: up signing holy cards in front of his casket for

1013
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: an hour. It was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen,

1014
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: but it was beautiful. He was so weird it out

1015
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: about it. I said, Ernie, think about it. How many

1016
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: times did he stand next to you while you signed

1017
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: and waited for you so that you could go do

1018
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: your business? He goes all the time. I said, don't

1019
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: worry about it, He'll be happy. So it was an

1020
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: eerie scene, but it made sense. Okay, So what musicians

1021
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: are you fans of? And what musicians are you not

1022
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: fans of personally? Um, I'm a I'm a very big

1023
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: Pink Floyd fan. Um. I liked all the versions, but

1024
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: especially of course the Dark Side and the Uh the

1025
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: Wall and and Animals were three of my favorites. But

1026
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: Uma Goma was my record big King Crimson fan. Um

1027
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: some product rock, not a lot, but general giant, Yes,

1028
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: Caravan Family. I love British bands. Uh. In America, I

1029
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: love Frank Zappa, and I love John Prime, and I

1030
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: love Joni Mitchell. I loved Laura Nero. I love all

1031
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 1: of the the great great musicians that not not even

1032
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: just ones that I've worked with, I've worked with most

1033
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: of them. But um, you know, when when I first

1034
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: got to do Roxy music, you know, I loved Brian Ferry,

1035
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: one of my absolute favorites doing that That that David

1036
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: Byrne show, that that Ben Schiffer and Mark Geiger sold

1037
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: me in Vegas and in Phoenix. Uh. That the one

1038
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: that's on TV right now that you didn't like. I

1039
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: love that show on stage. I haven't seen the TV show. Um.

1040
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: But also I want you to know not about the

1041
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: act but the actual people, because as a promoter, it's

1042
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: kind of like hanging with Ernie Banks. Who do you

1043
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: have a special relationship with. Well, Roger Waters and I

1044
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: are especially close. We have we have phone video calls

1045
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, we'll have a happy hour together

1046
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: once in a while, but he hasn't been drinking, so

1047
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: we haven't been having happy hours lately. But I love Roger. Um.

1048
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: He was I was one of the first promoters to

1049
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: buy a show with him after he left Floyd and

1050
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: his first people. Forget his first go around. He didn't

1051
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: do all that great. It was tough selling tickets back

1052
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: in the eighties for a guy who left the band

1053
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: that big and was also blamed for breaking it up.

1054
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: So um, I love him. And I mentioned John Prime.

1055
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: It's uh, definitely. You know, one of my very very

1056
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: best friends, Al Diniola and I are are very close. Um,

1057
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: Sean Phillips, Ian McDonald, all these other guys that I

1058
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: that I've been talking about, Frankie Valley and Alan Parsons

1059
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: and his family. Uh, Dave Matson lives over here. We're

1060
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: we're getting together tomorrow. He's fantastic. Um. It's an amazing

1061
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: group of people that we grew up with, you know,

1062
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: in the sixties, in the seventies. I mean, there will

1063
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: never be another time period like that as far as

1064
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: I can tell you. Okay, So you ultimately sold your

1065
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: additional company, Evenings Evening Star Productions to SFX Clear Channel,

1066
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: But you were not one of the early sellers. Certainly

1067
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: the early sellers got a big buck. Uh. How did

1068
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: you do when you finally sold? Well, I was different

1069
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: than than say B G P or Pace UM. I

1070
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't own any real estate. So like IRV Zuckerman he

1071
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: had the amphitheater Um. You know, most of the big

1072
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: guys that that sold their companies in the late nineties

1073
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand's like I did, most of

1074
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: them were real estate owners. So I think based on

1075
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: on what I was doing, I felt like it it

1076
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: was a fair price, truth be told. I was gonna

1077
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: do it originally with Ja Marciano, who was at House

1078
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: of Blues at the time, and then they had that

1079
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: big crash there in two thousand and and they they

1080
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: decided they were going to go up against these effects

1081
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: and become you know, the Yang to the Yang, and uh,

1082
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: they closed down that idea, and that's what I made

1083
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: the deal with. It originally started with Louis Messina at

1084
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: Pace and then it ended up with Rodney Eckerman and

1085
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: and and all of them. Um, I didn't want to

1086
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: do it, but you know, I I started seeing all

1087
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: my favorite best acts like Tina Turner and even right

1088
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: while Roger Waters never had me cut out at Santana

1089
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: and and a number of bands that I built myself

1090
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: up to doing three four five cities with on each tour.

1091
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: Suddenly now I'm getting a third or a half of

1092
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: the show in Phoenix. Only after I've gone through several

1093
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: tours building those markets up for those bands. Now suddenly

1094
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: there's one promoter and and I don't get a piece

1095
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: of those shows anymore. Um, that's when the writing was

1096
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: on the wall. And then that you know, at the

1097
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: end of nine at Eagles and Bette Midler thing happened

1098
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: as well. So two thousand was a year for me.

1099
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: It took me all year long to raise the money

1100
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: to pay back Mandalais Bay for those shows. Um. It

1101
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: ended up becoming a much more reasonable number when it

1102
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: was all said and done, but it was still an

1103
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: excess of a half a million bucks, which was a

1104
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: lot of money for for people like us to lose. Um,

1105
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: all those things combined made it necessary. I wasn't going

1106
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: out of business, I wasn't not a money but mentally

1107
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: for me, I I just I didn't feel like I

1108
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: was going to be able to withstand even more pressure

1109
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: from consolidated buying. You know, I I just and I

1110
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: I would get wiped out. I was already seeing that

1111
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: riding on the walls when I'm getting a half of

1112
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: a Santana show. And I had been other than the

1113
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: Bill Graham people. I was his most regular loyal promoter

1114
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: in in my part of the country. That's just an example.

1115
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not picking on them, but you know, when when

1116
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: you're getting it, like I said earlier, when you get

1117
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: a check for an entire tour up front, the person

1118
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: given that checkout isn't really happy to have baggage like

1119
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: me along for the ride. And uh, that's what happened.

1120
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: So how did you do financially? I did great enough

1121
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: enough to not work again if you've chosen too. Yeah,

1122
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, that's what I thought was gonna happen. And

1123
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: Rodney said to me, hey, we're not buying you to

1124
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: retire you. We're buying you to make money for us.

1125
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: So part of the deal had some money in it

1126
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: that if I quit earlier, I wouldn't get all of it.

1127
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: But that never happened, of course. Um you know, I

1128
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: did well with it. I saved a good deal of it.

1129
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: I didn't go out and go crazy. I had already

1130
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: bought the house that I still live in with my

1131
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: own money and my own earnings prior to selling. I

1132
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: was I was set. Prior to selling the company. It

1133
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: seemed like a really good time to to take some

1134
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: cash off the table and and see what happened. Because

1135
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: even though I didn't know what was gonna happen, the

1136
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: way that it did happen, you know, it was clear

1137
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: that something completely different was going on. Then the Frank

1138
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: Barcelona days or doing shows wherever you want to do

1139
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: if nobody else is doing them in that market. Uh,

1140
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: it changed dramatically, and and looking back, I'll never know

1141
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: if it was a good idea or a great idea

1142
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: or not, but I like to think I made I

1143
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: made the right uh decision doing that. And then um uh,

1144
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: you know, getting the opportunity in two thousand eleven to

1145
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: go back out and do it again starting from scratch

1146
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: was very difficult, not impossible, obviously, and I've had. I've

1147
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: made more money each year since I started over again

1148
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: than I was making on salary from Live Nation. And

1149
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: so why did it really why did it really not

1150
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: work out for you in Live Nation? Well, a number

1151
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: of reads. I absolutely loved uh when micro Ropino took

1152
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: over the what was the name of the company before

1153
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: they came up with Live Nation, It was clear Channel, right, Well,

1154
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: there was a name they were calling it for a

1155
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: like sound Co or show Co. Oh yeah yeah, but

1156
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: that was just a temporary name, right, okay, right until

1157
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: they had a name. But I love the the excitement

1158
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: of when he took over, um, you know, but it

1159
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: just turned into a completely different animal. He did great.

1160
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done greater than anybody I've ever known

1161
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: in the business. I mean he went he went from

1162
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: being a somebody in Canada to to be a you know,

1163
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: and not even a big somebody like Michael Cole who

1164
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: we worked for, but he turned into the biggest somebody

1165
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: in the music business, live music business. I Mean, I

1166
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: can't say enough about how great it is that he

1167
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: was that successful. He did great for him. But in

1168
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: in our in our in our world, in Phoenix, they

1169
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: they made a deal to take over the Dodge Theater. UM.

1170
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: And we had already we already had a great deal

1171
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: with the Dodge Theater in place. UM. And unfortunately when

1172
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: they took it over with the deal they made, it

1173
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: cost uh everybody a lot of money. UM. And there

1174
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: was there was definitely some some weird feelings about that

1175
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: because you know, over in l A, they thought that

1176
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: we should be able to overcome the fact that they

1177
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: made one of the dumbest deals in the history of

1178
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: life when they signed on for that building. For ten years. UM,

1179
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: my company, Evening Star, which is what they were calling,

1180
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, our little unit for Vegas, Albuquerque and Phoenix

1181
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: was making millions of dollars each year. Um. And then

1182
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: when they when they made the Dodge Theater deal, it

1183
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: turned us into a loser. And there were times where

1184
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: they would call us out for being losers. Although we

1185
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: weren't the ones that made the deal for this building.

1186
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: The deal we had in place prior to that, we

1187
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: were making a couple of million dollars a year from

1188
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: just from that deal. So bottom line, UM, they didn't

1189
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: think much of Phoenix. Uh. Some of the people at

1190
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,919
Speaker 1: Live Nation, they thought it was a losing market without

1191
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: paying attention to the fact that they just made one

1192
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: terrible deal that screwed that market up. So what was

1193
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: happening was they decided as a rule that we couldn't

1194
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: book concerts outside of the Dodge Theater or the Amphitheater,

1195
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: which is twenty thousand seats and the Dodge was five thousand.

1196
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: But there's all these clubs and the bands that would

1197
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: play the thousand and two thousand theaters. I wasn't allowed

1198
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: to book any of those groups. All I could book

1199
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: at at Live Nation was groups that could go into

1200
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: the Dodge Theater. So I'm finding myself doing Ray Davies

1201
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: and five thousand seats when he's gonna draw seven people. Um.

1202
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: That was aggravating and and passing on shows and watching

1203
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: other promoters, even though I wouldn't make any more or

1204
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: less money because I was on salary right, uh, and

1205
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: there's no bonuses or anything like that. So when I

1206
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: would see these shows that I would want to do

1207
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: my friends or people that I'm used to working with

1208
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: it make money, and then I'd have to pass on

1209
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: them because they wouldn't let me do shows outside of

1210
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: those theaters. You know. Uh. It made me nasty and

1211
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: it was depressing, and and I just didn't feel like

1212
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: I was I was doing anything of worth to these people.

1213
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: Every year, more and more the deals came out of

1214
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: l A. They bought tours, they went to the amphitheaters,

1215
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: they went to the arenas, and we would end up

1216
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: going to our shows and I would feel like a

1217
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: second class citizen. Um, you know, it's not my show anymore.

1218
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: Even though it's a company that I worked for, it

1219
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: wasn't the same, you know. And anyway, towards the towards

1220
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: the end of that, UH, I was talking with Bob

1221
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: rue about making a new deal where I could go,

1222
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: I can start booking some of those type of groups

1223
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,480
Speaker 1: and and maybe have like a more of a partnership

1224
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: deal with them then being an employee and do what

1225
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: they needed done and then do my own thing. And

1226
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: then at one point it just broke down and we

1227
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: both just said fuck it, and I was left to

1228
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: my own devices. Yeah, and and and it worked, it

1229
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: worked out, Okay, you know, I really didn't know if

1230
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: I was going to continue. But right when that happened,

1231
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: if you recall it's almost ten years ago, there is

1232
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: that terrible shooting in Tucson where Gabby Gifford's got shot

1233
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: in the face, and and Ron Barber and there is

1234
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: that that terrible you know thing that happened down there

1235
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: shop and Alice and Cree Miller and Jackson and Buddha. Uh,

1236
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: we've decided at the same time they wanted to do

1237
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: something in Tucson about this, and and we ended up

1238
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: putting together a show and and it was the Cree

1239
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: running the show. And uh, she goes, so, what what

1240
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 1: name should we put on the poster? And I said,

1241
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, And she goes, well, you gotta come

1242
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: up with a company name like Evening Star. Why don't

1243
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: she use Evening Stars? Well, Live Nation owns it and

1244
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: they won't give it back. So she goes, all right,

1245
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: We'll put Danny's Aletsco Presents on the poster. So that's

1246
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: how Danny's Altsco Presents was started and named Um. I

1247
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: went out and registered it and got the website and

1248
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: did all the stuff. He turned on telephones, open new

1249
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: bank accounts, which is about the biggest pain, and he

1250
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: asked stuff to do. Uh, because I hadn't had to

1251
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: do that, like in forty years. Everything just kind of

1252
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: kept on moving forward with time you know, getting more modern,

1253
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: and I got a fax machine, I got a cell phone.

1254
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have to have a Watts line anymore.

1255
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: Remember Wat's line. You know, all that stuff is is

1256
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: the thing in the past, and now they don't even

1257
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: have CDs anymore. Hardly final. Yeah, okay, So a couple

1258
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: of your favorite shows that you promoted in no particular order.

1259
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: Roger water shows for me were always brilliant, doing the

1260
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: John Prime shows. John Prime with Bonnie right one of

1261
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: the best shows I did. We used to we used

1262
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: to tour around the Midwest together. Um, I love that.

1263
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: I told you that David Byrne show was one of

1264
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: the best live events I've seen in recent years. Um.

1265
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,480
Speaker 1: You know the groups I was talking about before, basically

1266
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: or are probably that show we did, the Jackson and

1267
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: Alice Cooper show. That benefit was fantastic. Um it had

1268
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: David Crosby and Nils Loughburn and Graham Nash and Sam

1269
01:16:54,560 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: Moore and KEB mo just a fantastic lineup. Um. I

1270
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: had a guy in Phoenix called Jerry ria Pel who's

1271
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: uh like Elvis Presley and Phoenix. He died a couple

1272
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 1: of years ago. Unfortunately, never got as big as he

1273
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: should have gotten. Um, but I'm I'm pretty much generally

1274
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: very um loyal to those names. When I when anybody

1275
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: asked me that, okay, so why write a book? You know,

1276
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: like you were talking before about maybe pitch yourself. I

1277
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: pinched myself. I realized some years ago. I mean I

1278
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: I've known forever. I mean I didn't just wake up

1279
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: one day and say, wow, Wow, this is great. I

1280
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: mean when Jerry Garcia comes up to you and thanks

1281
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: you for getting him into Siegfried and Roy, I mean,

1282
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy. Um. You know, when when Kirk Gibson

1283
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: and Bob Melvin from the Diamondbacks come to a uh

1284
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: who show and and come backstage and they're sitting around

1285
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: drinking with you, that's that's a great deal. When Gayl

1286
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: Sayers chases me down in Vegas and tells me I

1287
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: have to meet Bob Seeger after the show, and I

1288
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 1: bring Bob Seeger a meet and greet. I got Bob,

1289
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: I gotta meet and greet for you. Oh yeah, you know,

1290
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: not easily impressed, And and he was. They were all

1291
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:24,799
Speaker 1: blown away. The whole band surrounded Gayle Si. Those moments

1292
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: are you know, their genius seeger uh one of my

1293
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys ever, um of all time.

1294
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: And the shows what we did were just magic, just

1295
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: magic what he did. So but why why write the book?

1296
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: And why right now? He said? Is it sort of

1297
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: an advertisement? You were talking about pitching yourself? You know it?

1298
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: I pinched myself when I think about all the various

1299
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: things that have happened. And I'm a collector, you know,

1300
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a harder, but kind of a harder, but

1301
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: a collector. I love all these years I've been getting

1302
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: people to sign things and posters and settlers and guitars

1303
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: and and and all these things that I have around me.

1304
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: It's turned into tens of thousands of items over forty

1305
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: years and over ten thousand shows. So I've got all

1306
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: this stuff and going what am I going to do

1307
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: with this? So, you know, I thought about, I'd love

1308
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: to have a museum. I'd love to have people be

1309
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: able to walk through and see all this stuff and

1310
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: enjoy it. And and that's a very expensive, difficult proposition. Um.

1311
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: So one night in two thousands sixteen, I'm watching Shark Tank,

1312
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 1: which is a show that I like, and this guy

1313
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: comes out. It was the Bill Walton episode. Bill Walton

1314
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: was helping a friend of his pitch something and the

1315
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: guy that came on after him was a guy who

1316
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: called himself a ghostwriter, and he said he could help

1317
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: you write a book, and I needed so direction. Um,

1318
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, I we've had we've had a couple of

1319
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: exchanges about that, and and the hardest thing for me

1320
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: to get going with was just putting down a story

1321
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: or two and seeing what it read like and seeing

1322
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: what it looked like without thinking about what order it

1323
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: had to go in. But you just you had to

1324
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: come up with your own thoughts, uh, comprising of history

1325
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: and whatever you can summon up to feel how you

1326
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: felt at that time, and try to recall that. I

1327
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: wish I had kept a journal all these years, because

1328
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: it would really really be great. Um, But I unfortunately

1329
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,719
Speaker 1: have enough pictures and enough memorabilia and enough history around

1330
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: me where I can just look at a picture or

1331
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: or a piece of something and it can summon up

1332
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: a story for me. So this guy got me reciting

1333
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: recording stories. He would ask me, interview me much the

1334
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: same way that you're doing. And but we talked about

1335
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: just one topic for an hour and we'd hang up

1336
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: and he'd get it transcribed, send it to me, and

1337
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: we edited back and forth. And that's that's how I

1338
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: got started with it. I wish I had known to

1339
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: do that years before, because so many, so many great

1340
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: stories have gone by me that you know, I mean,

1341
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: I have to be triggered to be reminded of that.

1342
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: So I had a much bigger book than what you

1343
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: have right now, because I took out a bunch of

1344
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: stories thinking they weren't good enough, or I'd save it

1345
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: for another time. As it is, it's a very long

1346
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: book at three pages, and and then I had all

1347
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: these pictures, and I wanted to figure out what to

1348
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: do with the pictures. So what I hated doing when

1349
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: I read a book is I don't like to see

1350
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: fifty pages of words and then six pages of photographs,

1351
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: and then another fifty pages of words and another photo section.

1352
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to make this book so that you didn't

1353
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: have to remember anything or go back to reference it

1354
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: while you're reading it, with those other types of books

1355
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: which are pretty much standard. And I wanted my my

1356
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: story to be told with the pictures as part of

1357
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: the words to enhance the story. And I hope I

1358
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: was successful at that I feel like I was. And

1359
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: then then there were so many other people I wanted

1360
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,480
Speaker 1: to write about. You can't write a story about everybody.

1361
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: So I was able to put some photos sections in there,

1362
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: and and I took a lot of time on the captions.

1363
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: I tried to make them funny or topical, or informative

1364
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: or humorous or all the above. Um So I ended

1365
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: up with seven hundred pictures in there, and and and

1366
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: I still got seven dred more i'd like to share.

1367
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: So that's that's what made me do it. It's just

1368
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: having all the stories and and all this stuff around,

1369
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, I know that people love this stuff.

1370
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: Music freaks, rock and rollers, the people that buy the

1371
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: t shirts at the shows, the people that buy the

1372
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: tickets when they first go on sale, the people who

1373
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: buy the tickets at the door of the night of

1374
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: the show. They're they're all different types of people, but

1375
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: we've all got one thing in common. We love music,

1376
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: and we love the people who make them and and

1377
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: the music and and there's nothing like seeing them live.

1378
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: And fortunately for me, the facilities that I use are

1379
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: generally the ones that people like to go to the

1380
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: most for that type of group. And hopefully when you

1381
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: know that moment when you're about to hear an announcement,

1382
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: you know Alan Parson's is coming to town, you're going

1383
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: if you're an Alan Parsons fan, I hope it's going

1384
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: to be at this one place, whatever you like. And

1385
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: I strive to make the right place click so that

1386
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: when people hear it, they go, That's where I would

1387
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: do the show if I was putting it up. For

1388
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: those who haven't seen the book yet, it's really kind

1389
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: of unique because there are a lot of people who

1390
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: write books that get caught up in detail, and as

1391
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: Danny says, ultimately the pictures are in the back or

1392
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: in the middle. This is like kind of a cross

1393
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: between it with conventional book and a coffee book, coffee

1394
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: table book, and that the pictures are there, and you really,

1395
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, other than Bill Wyman who's a legendary collector

1396
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: and just sold some of this stuff. You are looking

1397
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: in the book, he go, how does he have this?

1398
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: Where does he get it from? And it really is

1399
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: the scrap book of our lives. It's not only Danny.

1400
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: You remember those eras as you got older and went

1401
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: to see those bands. In any event, Danny, thanks so

1402
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: much for doing this. Hopefully we'll be going to show soon.

1403
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 1: No kidding that I won't be soon enough Until next time.

1404
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: This is Bob left sex