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Speaker 2: Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 4: Thicky, you know what day today is.
Speaker 3: It's Tuesday.
Speaker 4: It's victory Tuesday. We're moving past, George.
Speaker 3: I need two days to get We're.
Speaker 5: Getting fired up for bye week twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 5: that's a way to get past it.
Speaker 4: Don't you think?
Speaker 6: Yes, Okay, I mean something.
Speaker 5: Mickey Spagnola came jogging to the SWBC podcast studio. This
Speaker 5: is a man hard at work, even on the bye week.
Speaker 5: And we've got Kurt Daniels sitting in for the vacationing
Speaker 5: Everson Walls, who will come back from his vacation at
Speaker 5: two o'clock this afternoon.
Speaker 6: Happy to be with you guys.
Speaker 5: Great to have you here, Kurt, as we change things up.
Speaker 5: It's our bye week change up, as you all know,
Speaker 5: and so we got plenty to talk about in Mickey,
Speaker 5: the reason you were jogging to the podcast studio is
Speaker 5: because right now there's an availability assistant coaches.
Speaker 3: Assistant coaches coordinators before that, So.
Speaker 4: You've got a lot to tell us.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Is every one.
Speaker 5: One chance, one chance during the regular season to get
Speaker 5: something with the assistant coaches unless you know them and
Speaker 5: pull them aside well to formally, to formally get something
Speaker 5: with the assistant.
Speaker 3: Coaches coordinators the owner. We start anywhere you are.
Speaker 5: I know the owner wasn't there because I heard him
Speaker 5: this morning and he was on a jet airplane going
Speaker 5: to Atlanta for league meetings today.
Speaker 3: Right, and he wasn't a very patient matter.
Speaker 4: Is that where you'd like to start? You have me
Speaker 4: to read this? Yeah, what are you reading? He was?
Speaker 3: Someone asked on the radio show about a lack. Here's
Speaker 3: what happens when you get your ass beat right. It's
Speaker 3: either you lacked aggression, you didn't prepare well, you weren't
Speaker 3: ready to play two soft, and no one's asked the
Speaker 3: crux of the question should be are you good enough?
Speaker 3: And so we come up with all these side things
Speaker 3: to find an excuse for getting beat. They were just
Speaker 3: better than the Cowboys. Whatever the Cowboys put on the
Speaker 3: field on Sunday, Detroit put better, plain and simple, now
Speaker 3: does that have to take place over the next eleven games?
Speaker 3: Can you improve what you put out there? And I
Speaker 3: think that that was the message that Jerry continued to
Speaker 3: try to say after the game and during his radio
Speaker 3: segment today on one five to three the Fan, and
Speaker 3: I think when he finally didn't feel like people were
Speaker 3: listening to him, he had this to say, Listen, let
Speaker 3: me tell you what I'll do about it. I will
Speaker 3: let us sit down and look at the decisions we've
Speaker 3: made over the last several years. Okay, I'll look at
Speaker 3: it now. If you think I'm interested on a damn
Speaker 3: phone call with you over the radio and sitting here
Speaker 3: and throwing all the good out with the dishwasher, you've
Speaker 3: got to be smoking something over this morning, I'm not,
Speaker 3: and I really don't. I don't even want our listeners
Speaker 3: to listen to me talk about it. This is not
Speaker 3: your job. Your job isn't to let me go over
Speaker 3: the reasons that I did something and I'm sorry that
Speaker 3: I did it. That's not your job. That's not your job.
Speaker 3: Or I'll get somebody else to ask the questions.
Speaker 4: Men.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not kidding. So that to set the tone
Speaker 3: for twenty three minutes of a rather entertaining regular radio segments.
Speaker 4: By twenty three minutes.
Speaker 3: Twenty three minutes, because I had it recorded and I
Speaker 3: listened to it and I saw the end and it
Speaker 3: was at twenty three something.
Speaker 6: It sounds like you kind of think he has a
Speaker 6: point there.
Speaker 3: That well, I think I just think that no one
Speaker 3: asked the question after Pittsburgh. So did everything change in
Speaker 3: one week? Did the team not practice well? Did the
Speaker 3: team not play hard? Suddenly? Everybody after Pittsburgh was talking
Speaker 3: about how gritty they were and resilient, and in this
Speaker 3: game it was soft and gave up. And I don't
Speaker 3: know that we saw that. I just saw we got
Speaker 3: got a team that just got beat by a better
Speaker 3: team at this point in the season, and I think
Speaker 3: what most people forget is what did you think about
Speaker 3: this team from the beginning. I saw a lot of
Speaker 3: people predicting six and eleven, eight and nine, nine and eight.
Speaker 3: Well that's what you're getting at this point, but you
Speaker 3: got to let it play out. I just don't think
Speaker 3: after every game you come to these conclusions about what
Speaker 3: the team is. Last week it was like this is
Speaker 3: an ascending team. Now this week, They're never going to
Speaker 3: be good the rest of the year. Let it play out.
Speaker 6: I think at this point they're three and three, which
Speaker 6: I think most people thought at this point there would
Speaker 6: be three and three.
Speaker 3: Right if you were doing the WNLS before you even
Speaker 3: saw what the team was.
Speaker 6: The problem for fans, they're such an ugly three and three.
Speaker 6: I mean, and we know how the offseason was, and
Speaker 6: there's all that frustration. It's building, building, building team. They
Speaker 6: beat maybe aren't that good, maybe Pittsburgh gether to not
Speaker 6: and so you.
Speaker 5: Actually had them losing to Cleveland that I had them.
Speaker 6: That's how I had it. But I think it's just
Speaker 6: it's the frustration of here we go again.
Speaker 3: You might have had them three and oh at home
Speaker 3: and oh and three on the road.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, No, I didn't have it that well.
Speaker 5: I knew Baltimore, yeah, and Detroit we're going to be,
Speaker 5: as they say, the loaded for Bear.
Speaker 3: Well, even the Baltimore game, at least for one quarter,
Speaker 3: they were very competitive.
Speaker 5: But I basically did have them about five hundred going
Speaker 5: into Thanksgiving, and it's going to be hard to get
Speaker 5: to stay at five hundred in the next five games
Speaker 5: when you look at the schedule.
Speaker 3: Such a tough schedule, and you knew that going.
Speaker 4: In, right, And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Going in, I was like, okay, because you look at
Speaker 5: this stretch of games that they're in right now, which
Speaker 5: started with at Pittsburgh and then Detroit, and then at
Speaker 5: San Francisco, at Atlanta, Philadelphia, Houston, and now you.
Speaker 4: Enter Washington into the equation too.
Speaker 5: I mean, four of the next five opponents are first
Speaker 5: place teams and you just played a first well, a
Speaker 5: second place team that would be first place.
Speaker 4: In any other division if not for the Vikings.
Speaker 6: Again, that's the frustration, because you're coming off three twelve
Speaker 6: and five seasons. You knew that this team probably wasn't
Speaker 6: going to be they did. You know, if you're not
Speaker 6: getting better, you're getting worse. And they knew they weren't
Speaker 6: going to as good as Detroit. They knew they weren't
Speaker 6: good as the forty nine ers, and they did nothing.
Speaker 5: And I thought that the first half of the season.
Speaker 5: The only way that they could be better or as
Speaker 5: good as they were at the end of last year
Speaker 5: is if they didn't have injuries the first half of
Speaker 5: the season, and they had injuries. Okay, And so now
Speaker 5: now and we just taped the Mike McCarthy Show. And
Speaker 5: then one thing that McCarthy talked about yesterday is that
Speaker 5: they are going to be better for this, the young
Speaker 5: players that are getting experienced now on down the road.
Speaker 5: Big picture, well, they're getting there. They're getting their experience,
Speaker 5: and we're going to find out in the second half,
Speaker 5: in this stretch and then the second half of the season,
Speaker 5: just how good these players are that they knew they
Speaker 5: were would need to count on at some point this
Speaker 5: season because of their salary cap issues, they were going
Speaker 5: to have to rely on young players. And now we
Speaker 5: see what these young players can do. And they're going
Speaker 5: through growing pains right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you just look at I bet they
Speaker 3: didn't envision in game six, you're going to have two Well, okay, TJ.
Speaker 3: Bass is not a rookie, but his experience.
Speaker 4: Is a rookie and he was an undrafted guy.
Speaker 3: Man, he undrafted playing next to your rookie center. That's
Speaker 3: you're asking a lot to get through. You know, you
Speaker 3: got through the Pittsburgh game. Now everybody sees on tape
Speaker 3: what it looks like and now they're preparing to go, oh,
Speaker 3: well look at this right Oh, your Pro Bowl left
Speaker 3: guards not playing tackle and he hadn't done that since
Speaker 3: his rookie year. Well, let's analyze this now on how
Speaker 3: to attack him, and all of a sudden they got
Speaker 3: a book on you.
Speaker 5: And then attacking the unit as a whole, when as
Speaker 5: we saw with the Lions game end games prior to that,
Speaker 5: sort of giving the Cowboys offense a piece of Mike
Speaker 5: Zimmer's defensive strategy, which is a lot of times a
Speaker 5: bear front where it's they got to sort out, okay,
Speaker 5: who's coming, who's dropping, and who you're blocking.
Speaker 3: And the other thing we take for granted, there was
Speaker 3: a reason why Zach Martin didn't just have a veteran
Speaker 3: rest day on Wednesday. He rested Wednesday, he rested Thursday,
Speaker 3: he rested Friday. I don't know what he did on Saturday,
Speaker 3: but he had back issue going.
Speaker 4: There wasn't a rest day. It was a back right exactly.
Speaker 5: And typically, typically my experience, no matter of the sport,
Speaker 5: when players don't play to the level that we're accustomed
Speaker 5: to seeing them play, there's usually something physical going on
Speaker 5: with a player, and that's necessarily the case with Zach.
Speaker 5: But he didn't show up on the injury report with
Speaker 5: a back issue.
Speaker 3: And then on top of all that, no excuses, but
Speaker 3: you had to face Aiden Hutchinson. Right, It wasn't like
Speaker 3: just some dude out there at left tack or left
Speaker 3: defensive end.
Speaker 6: So I don't think a healthy Martin would have made
Speaker 6: a ton of difference.
Speaker 5: Well, I think in that particular game, when you're talking
Speaker 5: about quote unquote complimentary football, and when you're playing from
Speaker 5: behind by two touchdowns early in the second quarter and
Speaker 5: the defense knows that you have to throw to get
Speaker 5: back in the game, then that changes the complexion of
Speaker 5: things too, for sure.
Speaker 3: So anyway, the bottom line was the owner it wasn't
Speaker 3: very patient.
Speaker 4: On his radio show today.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't blame him. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: and you know who side people are going to fall on.
Speaker 6: So woll not the greatest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, although I love the way he answered the
Speaker 3: question about the He was asked about fan apathy and
Speaker 3: he basically never mail. He basically said, we've got we've
Speaker 3: got the best fans in the world. They're passionate. He goes,
Speaker 3: and they're passionate. Either way, We've got passionate fans, right,
Speaker 3: And so it was like he wasn't criticizing for being
Speaker 3: mad or anything. He just basically pointed out that they've
Speaker 3: got passion and that's what we want. And I'm sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: your mail's probably piling up. I'm just glad I don't
Speaker 3: do mixed mail anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the mailbag stuff comes from me. And it's like
Speaker 6: they win. We get maybe ten emails.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 3: I forgot the guy that has to read them there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to lose, it's a hundred. So yeah, but can't
Speaker 6: blame them. People just want to vent.
Speaker 3: I got so frustrated with it that back in the
Speaker 3: day I find it intern that knew what they were doing,
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, go through here and find me
Speaker 3: five really good questions. I don't need the two page
Speaker 3: dissertations that I was getting.
Speaker 5: Okay, so bring us up to speed on anything of
Speaker 5: note that you got from the coordinators.
Speaker 3: There were two words, and I don't know if if
Speaker 3: that's what they talked about all that time yesterday while
Speaker 3: we were waiting.
Speaker 5: For the hour and a half wait for the coach
Speaker 5: to have as prescottin and.
Speaker 3: There was a reason for it. Someone that's very important
Speaker 3: showed up late, so the meetings got started late.
Speaker 4: And then why would the coach show up late for
Speaker 4: the meeting.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, let's not try to be.
Speaker 2: Didn't right?
Speaker 3: And then they the personnel meetings went over two games,
Speaker 3: not just one, and I think the player meeting might
Speaker 3: have gone long. So the idea that they were going
Speaker 3: to start the press conference at two thirty probably wasn't
Speaker 3: a real good idea. And by three thirty they warned
Speaker 3: everybody that we might start at four, will come and
Speaker 3: get you, And so they got everybody about four to ten,
Speaker 3: and it didn't start till four thirty, So.
Speaker 4: It was a two hour Yeah, delight, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: is it worth the wait? Actually?
Speaker 3: I thought it was Mike's best post game next day
Speaker 3: press conference because normally he he I don't know if
Speaker 3: he's worn out emotionally or what. He just doesn't kind
Speaker 3: of get into.
Speaker 5: It right before you, before you tell us what he said?
Speaker 5: That was his best? What was the best all time?
Speaker 5: The best all time day after a game coaches press conference,
Speaker 5: going back to Valley Ranch in the library, remember we
Speaker 5: used to have the Jimmy used to have his day
Speaker 5: after press conference. We were all crammed in the little
Speaker 5: library at Valley Ranch and he would sit at that
Speaker 5: there was a conference table there, and there'd be TV
Speaker 5: cameras on one side of the reporters sitting on one
Speaker 5: side of the table, and Jimmy would be on the
Speaker 5: other side of the table. It just reminded me because
Speaker 5: this reporter happened to ask a question of the coach yesterday.
Speaker 5: It reminded me of the greatest day after press conference
Speaker 5: in the history of the Candy.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to go with it.
Speaker 5: Then, Okay, it was Jimmy getting up at the end
Speaker 5: of I don't know what game it was or anything.
Speaker 5: He gets up, grabs his piece of paper, says something
Speaker 5: funny ed, something humorous as he stormed out of the library.
Speaker 4: It was Edward or a stickert or something. I thought
Speaker 4: something funny ed, something humorous.
Speaker 3: See, I thought that was.
Speaker 5: And here we are thirty something years later and Edward
Speaker 5: is still at a coach's press conference the day after.
Speaker 3: See, I thought that was in the team meeting.
Speaker 4: No it was not.
Speaker 3: It was okay, library, So then that wasn't the only time,
Speaker 3: because I found out this was all premeditated to send
Speaker 3: a message to the team after they got beat, that
Speaker 3: he was going to get pissed off at a question
Speaker 3: and walk off. Ah, and he walked out of the
Speaker 3: audit the.
Speaker 6: Team meeting college and degree comes.
Speaker 4: Yes he did. Jimmy did the same thing to me.
Speaker 4: This was later. It might have been a season later.
Speaker 4: I don't remember. It might be what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He didn't storm out of this press conference though. But
Speaker 5: I was sitting this was in the team meeting room. Okay,
Speaker 5: the big team meeting room is Tuesday press conference. Back
Speaker 5: then you just basically had one big press conference and
Speaker 5: then you just got availabilities after.
Speaker 4: Practice the rest of the week.
Speaker 5: But anyway, I was sitting next to John Radigan and
Speaker 5: Radigan cracked a joke after and Jimmy was in one
Speaker 5: of those very mad moods, you know, and I laughed
Speaker 5: at something that Radigan said to me, and Jimmy catches
Speaker 5: me in a quarter of his eye and he says, you.
Speaker 4: Got a question, Bill? I said, no, no, I'm good.
Speaker 4: I'm good. So, guys, what was funny about that?
Speaker 5: Is the Okay, So back then we got served, you know,
Speaker 5: Jerry served as lunch whatever, and so this was like
Speaker 5: an hour later. And back then, also we would be
Speaker 5: we could park in the player's parking lot right there
Speaker 5: at Valley Ranch. And so I'm going out to my
Speaker 5: car and Jimmy's coming in from his noon jog and
Speaker 5: he yells across the parking lot at me, laughing, saying, you.
Speaker 4: Got a question? Bell like that. It was all an act,
Speaker 4: is all it was. You know, he wanted to send
Speaker 4: a message to his team that I'm mad this.
Speaker 5: Week, and when you come back to work on Wednesday,
Speaker 5: you better be ready.
Speaker 3: And that's what he did that day when he walked out.
Speaker 3: He because the players knew.
Speaker 5: I did a story that night using that you got
Speaker 5: a question Bill. I got a chalkboard and I was writing.
Speaker 5: I wrote on the chalkboard, I will not laugh at
Speaker 5: Jimmy's press coffers. I will not laugh at Jimmy's press coffer.
Speaker 6: Have you guys ever had a player a coach kind
Speaker 6: of go after you like Jimmy or like Jerry did the.
Speaker 3: Day Yes, over the phone. Yeah, and it was Jerry,
Speaker 3: oh yeah. After the herschel Walker trade when they didn't
Speaker 3: come clean on what they gave up and what they
Speaker 3: were giving because no one knew that the draft choices
Speaker 3: were or the players they got, which were throw off players.
Speaker 4: We didn't know they were.
Speaker 3: Tied to draft choices if you didn't keep them. And
Speaker 3: so I want to say it was a Friday night
Speaker 3: Channel twenty one had a round table of the beat
Speaker 3: writers and the columnists on a TV show for a
Speaker 3: half hour, like a Lee Martin production might have been,
Speaker 3: and basically everybody just gave them hell for trade in
Speaker 3: a way what everybody thought was the best player on
Speaker 3: the team, right, and got nothing really in return. Well,
Speaker 3: Norm Hitchkins on like Friday afternoon maybe Saturday morning. No,
Speaker 3: it was beforehand reported and I'm using quote marks okay
Speaker 3: unreported that Steve Walsh was tied to the trade, that
Speaker 3: after the season they're also sending Steve Walsh to Minnesota. Well,
Speaker 3: we found out that was not accurate. It just wasn't right.
Speaker 3: And so Saturday morning I get a call from the
Speaker 3: newspaper and they go, we need to get Jerry on
Speaker 3: this Steve Walsh thing. I said, we already find out
Speaker 3: it's it's false.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 3: We don't care that you found out it's false. We
Speaker 3: need him to say it's false. You need to get
Speaker 3: a hold of them. So back then I probably got
Speaker 3: a hold of Maryland and Maryland got to call me
Speaker 3: back and I told him what I wanted, and he
Speaker 3: had watched the show and he began with and he
Speaker 3: just unloaded, right, and you you named the word or
Speaker 3: the combination word that he used. And he just went
Speaker 3: off on me, just going on and on and on
Speaker 3: and on, and I'm sitting there taking it. He finally
Speaker 3: stopped and I said, so, do you want to make
Speaker 3: a cock?
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 3: Something that you could write anything.
Speaker 4: Damn what you why you're gonna do that anyway?
Speaker 3: And it was like, Okay, that might have been probably
Speaker 3: the worst I think I ever expect.
Speaker 4: And so what from McCarthy? Then yesterday?
Speaker 3: You know, he I wish I had the quote.
Speaker 5: Right, You're gonna look, you're gonna find the quote and
Speaker 5: you're going to come back and find it and we
Speaker 5: will have that for you.
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Speaker 5: You know what you're much better making those reads with
Speaker 5: Kurt Daniels in the room, and you know you're.
Speaker 3: Not ever ready to snicker.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know if maybe you get stage fright
Speaker 5: with a former player in here, or you're more comfortable
Speaker 5: in this environment.
Speaker 3: Something something was different until I handed off. I used
Speaker 3: to get intimidated by Savannah.
Speaker 5: Okay, oh there you go.
Speaker 3: That's true because I knew she was gonna do it
Speaker 3: much better than me.
Speaker 4: That's understandable. All right, did you find it?
Speaker 3: So? I did, But I don't I don't have the
Speaker 3: whole quote. He he he was asked about the mental
Speaker 3: state of the Cowboys, and he was talking about the
Speaker 3: path and he talked about I left the players with
Speaker 3: a bunch of questions that they needed to answer, uh
Speaker 3: during the bye and the fact that we've got an
Speaker 3: opportunity we need to relish, and that there's a lot
Speaker 3: more games to play, and it was he he didn't
Speaker 3: get emotional, but he was emphatic on what he was saying,
Speaker 3: and normally he's he's not that way after a game.
Speaker 3: And I thought that was really really good how he
Speaker 3: kind of pointed it out and just basically take a
Speaker 3: hard look at ourselves and to understand that this is
Speaker 3: not a sprint, it's a there's a lot of more
Speaker 3: games to play.
Speaker 6: So who do you think this they need turn things around?
Speaker 6: Obviously just fall more on the coaching staff to kind
Speaker 6: of provide the leadership and scheming or whatever you say.
Speaker 6: Or is this a player issue where they need leadership
Speaker 6: within that locker room to kind of step forward and say, hey,
Speaker 6: you're not doing your job and we're suffering for it.
Speaker 3: Well, and as Jerry said today at the five minute mark,
Speaker 3: don't underestimate the injuries. Now we all look past it, right,
Speaker 3: but it's real when I can give you seven starters
Speaker 3: on defense that didn't play in that game. Seven And
Speaker 3: as I probably said yesterday, it sounds very bold when
Speaker 3: you say next man up. Well, the reason he's the
Speaker 3: next man up is because he ain't the man. You know,
Speaker 3: he's a backup. And a lot of these backups didn't
Speaker 3: have much much experience. So are they good enough to
Speaker 3: hold down the fort for I don't know however long.
Speaker 3: Now my problem is to answer your question, was the
Speaker 3: offense because the offense needed to step up, right, But
Speaker 3: we took for granted that what they had on that
Speaker 3: offensive line was going to perform well against a very
Speaker 3: good defensive front.
Speaker 5: And along those lines, even guys that were being counted
Speaker 5: on as starters, meaning on that offensive line, Tyler Geyton
Speaker 5: and Cooper Bebe, they are rookies, right and even though
Speaker 5: they could eventually be in the case of Cooper Bebe
Speaker 5: better than Tyler Biattige was, but you can't expect that
Speaker 5: to happen the first month of his rookie season.
Speaker 4: Tyler Goeyton, same deal.
Speaker 5: And then you're dealing with not only the injury that
Speaker 5: he's dealing with right now, but he missed time in
Speaker 5: training camp as well. And so even when you're when
Speaker 5: you have to make decisions financial decisions on players, then
Speaker 5: you're gonna you're going to have to fight through that
Speaker 5: and get through that. It's but it's the long haul
Speaker 5: of the entire season, and so getting healthy is is
Speaker 5: a huge part of it. But also the reason that
Speaker 5: I have some confidence that they're going to stay is
Speaker 5: even with the schedule, the daunting schedule ahead the next
Speaker 5: five weeks, that they're going to figure out a way
Speaker 5: to do it because of the leadership on this team
Speaker 5: and I'm talking to players on this team and as
Speaker 5: much and the coaches too. I mean, it's a veteran
Speaker 5: coaching staff. They've been down this road. They're not going
Speaker 5: to make rash decisions on things, and they have fixes
Speaker 5: on what schematically, what other teams are doing to them
Speaker 5: right now that should work. It worked last year coming
Speaker 5: out of the by and the offense was very productive
Speaker 5: the last half of the season, and there's no reason
Speaker 5: to think it won't happen again. But with guys like
Speaker 5: Dak Zach Martin leaders on offense. You got Eric Kendricks
Speaker 5: on defense, and.
Speaker 4: Even DeMarcus Lawrence in his oh but he didn't play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there are other leaders too on that defense.
Speaker 5: I think that they're they'll keep they'll keep the house
Speaker 5: from burning down.
Speaker 6: So ken is there anything? Detroit is a bad example
Speaker 6: because they're such a good team, but it's coming up
Speaker 6: like Atlanta or.
Speaker 5: And the other thing with Detroit is they're going Things
Speaker 5: are going great.
Speaker 6: For Detroit right now, rolling next week, right.
Speaker 5: And now the Hudginson's out and things are going to
Speaker 5: happen to them. Who are they going to be the
Speaker 5: same team two months from now that they are right now?
Speaker 3: And they lost Peko too, But can they can What
Speaker 3: can they do?
Speaker 6: I mean, the guys are who they are, Like you said,
Speaker 6: they're the backups, right, not the guy so that are
Speaker 6: their rookies are young, that's who you're stuck with. What
Speaker 6: can they do to work around that?
Speaker 5: But my point on that is other teams are going
Speaker 5: to be playing and there's around the league other teams
Speaker 5: are playing backups now too. That was a bad matchup
Speaker 5: on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, they're healthy, right.
Speaker 5: Detroit was healthy, Dallas wasn't healthy. That's not the sole
Speaker 5: reason that it went the way it did. But they're
Speaker 5: on a roll right now. McCarthy was talking about they're
Speaker 5: playing faster right now than what the Cowboys are. It's
Speaker 5: a long season. They've got eleven games left, let's and
Speaker 5: you have to be playing your best at the end
Speaker 5: of the season. But you also have to be in
Speaker 5: the hunt in December in order for it to matter,
Speaker 5: and so it's a process of getting to that point
Speaker 5: of the season.
Speaker 3: I asked Mike Solary, we got a chance you guys
Speaker 3: pointed out talk to the assistant coaches, and I said, so,
Speaker 3: what's the difficulty of in that particular game when you're
Speaker 3: trying to bring around two rookies on the offensive line,
Speaker 3: what's what are they up against? And especially when you
Speaker 3: had Bass and Cooper BB playing next to each other,
Speaker 3: and he says, it's all about experience. They've got to get.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what your talent is. You've got to
Speaker 3: get experience. You got to understand the speed of the game.
Speaker 3: Number one. But number two, now, he said, with all
Speaker 3: these teams do in pre staff movement, you've got to
Speaker 3: know what that means and what you have to do
Speaker 3: to adjust. And he said in college, they're probably not
Speaker 3: getting a whole lot of that. Plus in college they're
Speaker 3: not run blocking, they're just dropping back in pass blocking normally.
Speaker 3: So again you were asking the two words. I mean,
Speaker 3: it must have been passed around in the personnel meeting.
Speaker 3: It was fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals, details, details, details that every
Speaker 3: one of them use that as what they got to
Speaker 3: get better at. No one ever said, as well, you
Speaker 3: know what, my group's just not very good, you know.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's the point. I think the
Speaker 3: experience part is really bogging this team down. And to
Speaker 3: accept emphasize what you said about the point of injuries.
Speaker 3: What happened the previous week against Pittsburgh, they had offensive
Speaker 3: line injuries, if I remember correctly, So the fact that
Speaker 3: the Cowboys had defensive lines injuries kind of offset because
Speaker 3: they were playing inexperienced players.
Speaker 6: So going forward, going forward, you put guiding out there
Speaker 6: and let him live or die and get the experience.
Speaker 3: Well, then I asked the guy that sits there and
Speaker 3: sits in with us. Nate Newton says, yes.
Speaker 5: Well, the guy that I sat next to an hour
Speaker 5: ago taping the Coaches Show, Mike McCarthy. I asked him
Speaker 5: about that, and he said that Tyler Smith needs to
Speaker 5: play guard and meaning Tyler Goyton needs to play tackle,
Speaker 5: So they need to get Tyler Gouydon back and then
Speaker 5: you have that continent that he that you're looking for.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: The interesting thing about that is, and I think McCarthy
Speaker 5: pointed out at his press conference yesterday, when they got
Speaker 5: the run game going against Pittsburgh, who was in the game.
Speaker 5: Geyiton was already out of the game when the run
Speaker 5: game got going, and they had this combination that they
Speaker 5: had against Detroit in there.
Speaker 6: So I wonder if that's the balance though, because you
Speaker 6: want Geyton in there learning, getting his experience crying. But
Speaker 6: at the same time, if you're you know, Dak Prescott
Speaker 6: or Eco daud or you're like, man, I need somebody
Speaker 6: there could block, you know. And is there a balance
Speaker 6: where like or is there some point where it's his
Speaker 6: development is good, but is it hurting the team overall?
Speaker 5: And one of the issues that McCarthy has pointed out
Speaker 5: about Geydon and he said it in his press conference,
Speaker 5: so I thought was really great that he was very
Speaker 5: candid about it. That's one of the things he told
Speaker 5: Goeyiton is in order to be able to play well
Speaker 5: on Sunday, is he's got a practice during the week,
Speaker 5: especially now Martin can sit out a few days. Tyrone
Speaker 5: Smith could have, you know, would take rest days. But
Speaker 5: for a guy like Tyler Tyler Geyton, he's got to
Speaker 5: be out there on the practice field. And that's one
Speaker 5: of the I don't think he took all the reps
Speaker 5: at all last week in practice and probably was a
Speaker 5: factor also on him not getting in on the field on.
Speaker 3: So they asked Jerry that question about Geyiton and he
Speaker 3: said he just wasn't ready to go. So even though
Speaker 3: you're fully out there going through practice doesn't mean you're
Speaker 3: healthy enough to do.
Speaker 4: And then he.
Speaker 3: Followed up with, now, that's a good question. There's some
Speaker 3: meat on the bone on that.
Speaker 6: Softball.
Speaker 4: There's one good question about Tyler. That was pretty good.
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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, very good? All right? What else is
Speaker 4: on your mind, Kurt when as you assess where this
Speaker 4: team is right now?
Speaker 6: You know, I think it's what we're hearing from the fans,
Speaker 6: what we heard from on on the fan earlier today.
Speaker 6: It's just like, I don't think anybody believes that this
Speaker 6: is a team that's going to make a Super Bowl run.
Speaker 6: But I think we're all agreeing that the playoffs are
Speaker 6: still in range. Right.
Speaker 5: I wonder what they were saying about the Cowboys, and
Speaker 5: I agree with what you're saying. After that Monday night
Speaker 5: football game in nineteen seventy, the last time.
Speaker 6: The Cowboys lost.
Speaker 5: The last time the Cowboys lost by thirty eight points
Speaker 5: at Hall was November sixteenth, nineteen seventy. Dandy Don Meredith
Speaker 5: was in the Monday Night Football boothe with Howard Cosel.
Speaker 4: I was at the game, Oh you were.
Speaker 5: It was a thirty eight to nothing she lacking by
Speaker 5: the Saint Louis Cardinals. And in the fourth quarter of
Speaker 5: that game, they turned the TV lights on in the
Speaker 5: Monday Night Football booth and the crowd started chanting, we
Speaker 5: want dandee, we want dandee. Well, you know what happened
Speaker 5: after that nineteen seventy they went on a run and
Speaker 5: made it all the way to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 5: Not for a bad officials call on a fumble bumble,
Speaker 5: Dave Banders recovered Cowboys would have won their first Super
Speaker 5: Bowl too. We're not saying I don't think this is
Speaker 5: the nineteen seventy talents Cowboys, but they did lose by
Speaker 5: thirty eight at home in a Super Bowl season in
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy, So hang it out.
Speaker 4: Jerry would love that story.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, he would repeat it too.
Speaker 6: But do you think I mean to get kind of
Speaker 6: more into the football stuff. Are you worried about Dak
Speaker 6: at all in what he's doing.
Speaker 4: The offensive line?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 5: I think that's what concerns me more than anything. And
Speaker 5: when you look at and you could see it in
Speaker 5: that game where there's a reason Dak was dancing in.
Speaker 4: The pocket as soon as he got the ball.
Speaker 5: It seemed like he was His feet were moving like
Speaker 5: you don't normally see and throwing off his back foot
Speaker 5: things like that.
Speaker 4: And it was.
Speaker 5: Because there's a lot going on at his feet, that's true.
Speaker 3: And quarterbacks don't like people nipping at their feet. And
Speaker 3: that's I think what got into him on that second
Speaker 3: possession on the interception uh in the end zone, and
Speaker 3: he took uh. He took blame for it that he
Speaker 3: should have held the cornerback in the flat.
Speaker 5: Or he told what we talked about yesterday, throw it
Speaker 5: to Tobert.
Speaker 3: Right, or throw it to him, but he was starting
Speaker 3: to get pressure right up in his face.
Speaker 4: And I think it also goes back process.
Speaker 5: It goes back to a mindset that, Okay, this other
Speaker 5: team is going to score on every possession, so we
Speaker 5: got to score touchdowns when we get down here, and
Speaker 5: it makes you do more than what you normally would do.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: They asked Tolsen that very question, like when you get
Speaker 3: in a game, do you sit there and look, Okay,
Speaker 3: the other team's scoring, we're not. And I got to
Speaker 3: try this because if I don't, if it's like third
Speaker 3: and whatever, if we don't convert here, they're going to
Speaker 3: score another touchdown. And he said people don't have context
Speaker 3: of what that situation is, Like, you're not figuring in
Speaker 3: what he's thinking. Tony Romo told me that he goes,
Speaker 3: if we're getting beat and I got a third and
Speaker 3: ten or a third and twelve, I'm not checking down.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to thread the needle to get the first
Speaker 3: down because we got to go. And I think sometimes
Speaker 3: the quarterback has to be careful with that, because I
Speaker 3: think he did that on that play when he saw
Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb breaking open and it's like, okay, I got
Speaker 3: to hit him, and he didn't consider that. He didn't
Speaker 3: hold the dB over there long enough to stay open,
Speaker 3: and that guy jumped the route. It wasn't like, oh,
Speaker 3: just a terrible throw. It was a terrible decision because
Speaker 3: he didn't go through his reads. But there was someone
Speaker 3: coming right here.
Speaker 5: It looked to me on that that that corner was
Speaker 5: hanging back knowing that that's what Dak was going to do, right,
Speaker 5: and he was willing to give up the underneath route
Speaker 5: to Tobert.
Speaker 3: Which could have been well, probably would have been a
Speaker 3: first down.
Speaker 5: He could have been had to get to a one
Speaker 5: yard line, yeah, but he was willing to He thought
Speaker 5: he would still have enough time to come up and
Speaker 5: make the tackle.
Speaker 3: Played hiss.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right. So worked out for him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to think.
Speaker 3: But they're going to lamb, so can they and they
Speaker 3: get healthy.
Speaker 5: And by the way, the Lions are playing very well
Speaker 5: in the red zone.
Speaker 4: And I looked at it. I saw some stats. I'm still,
Speaker 4: for some reason following Detroit.
Speaker 6: Lions victory Tuesday. Here we're supposed to be past.
Speaker 4: But no, no, but.
Speaker 5: After that game I needed to go ahead and unfollowed
Speaker 5: Detroit Lions pr to hear all the glowing stats from
Speaker 5: that game. But this morning they tweeted out something about
Speaker 5: their red zone defense and throws to the end zone
Speaker 5: this year. I can probably find it here. Uh, they've
Speaker 5: got five end zone interceptions this year.
Speaker 4: That was that's pretty nice. Yeah, well that was number
Speaker 4: four because they had another one later.
Speaker 6: Goodness.
Speaker 3: So and also to uh basically set the stage for
Speaker 3: everybody this week when it's like, well, we got to
Speaker 3: get back to work and you know, take advantage of
Speaker 3: the bye week.
Speaker 6: They don't practice, they're gone.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 3: Here's the and that's a CBA thing.
Speaker 5: By the way, here's the stat from Detroit Lions pr
Speaker 5: When teams have thrown passes into the end zone against
Speaker 5: the Lions this year, they are one of fourteen, seven
Speaker 5: percent completion percentage for ten yards, one touchdown, and five interceptions,
Speaker 5: a twenty three point eight quarterback rating.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: One of fourteen, one of fourteen for ten yards, one touchdown,
Speaker 5: five interceptions. By the way, the Cowboys in the red zone,
Speaker 5: both on offense and defense ranked thirtieth in the league.
Speaker 3: Well, there are six of fifteen. Now if my count
Speaker 3: is for they were six of thirteen going into the game,
Speaker 3: and they had two more red zones. I think, well,
Speaker 3: actually three if you count Cooper Rushes and that was intercepted.
Speaker 6: So are we going to see any changes in after
Speaker 6: this week? It's all ways turn around.
Speaker 3: They better get healthy, go talk to the doctors, right,
Speaker 3: need somebody to lay hands. We got to lay hands
Speaker 3: on Kendrick's right.
Speaker 6: He needs to be back out.
Speaker 3: And they need to lay hands on Bland and Parsons
Speaker 3: and Bland by the way, And I was told on
Speaker 3: Friday late when I screwed up his questionable and I
Speaker 3: said he was out, Well, it was my thinking he
Speaker 3: was out when I made that mistake to you. It
Speaker 3: was the first time in all his rehab that he
Speaker 3: woke up with a sore foot.
Speaker 5: And actually that's why I thought it was unusual that he.
Speaker 3: Was questionable after being fully that he.
Speaker 5: Did not It was a walkthrough and it was a
Speaker 5: d n P and he was listed as questionable. Yeah,
Speaker 5: after we all thought after Thursday that he's going to
Speaker 5: be played, and I.
Speaker 3: Was told that he would. Bland was told by medical
Speaker 3: whatever that that's a good thing because that's going to
Speaker 3: happen at some point after that surgery and you start
Speaker 3: doing what you did last week you're going to have
Speaker 3: a sour flim.
Speaker 5: McCarthy did tell me today that he that they should
Speaker 5: know on Wednesday next week that where the Parsons will
Speaker 5: be good with.
Speaker 3: Parsons high ankle sprain. He's had two weeks, so now
Speaker 3: you'll have three, right, all.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean summoned David Moore the Dallas Morning News
Speaker 5: is outside the window here, and he wants to tape
Speaker 5: his segment for the moment. Make sure you make sure
Speaker 5: he wants to rip the head coach on the Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy Show.
Speaker 3: And so no, he wants to point out when they
Speaker 3: fired Wade Phillips as the only in season coaching fire.
Speaker 3: Just got to read the paper, that's all. Or if
Speaker 3: you prefer Tim Kalishaw went all the way back to
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five when the Cowboys got wiped out twice
Speaker 3: during that play off season.
Speaker 4: Is one of the greatest teams of all time.
Speaker 3: And then Cincinnati did he.
Speaker 4: Go back to nineteen seventy Like I didn't know he.
Speaker 3: Went back to that year and the fact that Cincinnati
Speaker 3: beat him like fifty twenty four. Yeah, and they still
Speaker 3: went to the playoffs and got shut out by the
Speaker 3: Rams twenty to nothing.
Speaker 4: So it was was it really worse? Was it really
Speaker 4: worth going to the playoffs?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was, I asked them because the year before
Speaker 3: they didn't go to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. Snapping the string, and that.
Speaker 3: Was when I first arrived The Kiss of Death.
Speaker 5: Yep, all right, that does it for a special edition
Speaker 5: of Mix. Sure it's starring Kurt Daniels.
Speaker 6: Thanks for let me join it.
Speaker 4: And how about we do it again tomorrow at noon.
Speaker 3: We'll be here.
Speaker 6: I will be out.
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