WEBVTT - 2024_Podcasts_Mick Shots_Video_10_15 Mick Shots.mp3 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:05.960 M The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:07.920 Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:17.520 Cowboys. This is Mick shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:21.560 Com and the official Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:57.960 Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.680 Dallas Cowboy. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:51.320 Thicky, you know what day today is. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.000 It's Tuesday. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.000 It's victory Tuesday. We're moving past, George. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.200 I need two days to get We're. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:08.480 Getting fired up for bye week twenty twenty four, and 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:09.720 that's a way to get past it. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:10.240 Don't you think? 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.160 Yes, Okay, I mean something. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.959 Mickey Spagnola came jogging to the SWBC podcast studio. This 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.839 is a man hard at work, even on the bye week. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.440 And we've got Kurt Daniels sitting in for the vacationing 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.960 Everson Walls, who will come back from his vacation at 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:30.200 two o'clock this afternoon. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.160 Happy to be with you guys. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.640 Great to have you here, Kurt, as we change things up. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.000 It's our bye week change up, as you all know, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.959 and so we got plenty to talk about in Mickey, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.480 the reason you were jogging to the podcast studio is 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:51.000 because right now there's an availability assistant coaches. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.040 Assistant coaches coordinators before that, So. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:56.880 You've got a lot to tell us. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:58.200 I'm sorry. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:01:59.919 Is every one. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.320 One chance, one chance during the regular season to get 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.000 something with the assistant coaches unless you know them and 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.360 pull them aside well to formally, to formally get something 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:12.519 with the assistant. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:18.079 Coaches coordinators the owner. We start anywhere you are. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.840 I know the owner wasn't there because I heard him 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.240 this morning and he was on a jet airplane going 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.359 to Atlanta for league meetings today. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.520 Right, and he wasn't a very patient matter. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.639 Is that where you'd like to start? You have me 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.440 to read this? Yeah, what are you reading? He was? 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:41.240 Someone asked on the radio show about a lack. Here's 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.320 what happens when you get your ass beat right. It's 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:54.840 either you lacked aggression, you didn't prepare well, you weren't 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:03.440 ready to play two soft, and no one's asked the 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.919 crux of the question should be are you good enough? 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:14.040 And so we come up with all these side things 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:19.160 to find an excuse for getting beat. They were just 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.200 better than the Cowboys. Whatever the Cowboys put on the 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:27.840 field on Sunday, Detroit put better, plain and simple, now 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.560 does that have to take place over the next eleven games? 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.120 Can you improve what you put out there? And I 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:43.160 think that that was the message that Jerry continued to 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:50.000 try to say after the game and during his radio 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.880 segment today on one five to three the Fan, and 0:03:54.080 --> 0:04:00.600 I think when he finally didn't feel like people were 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:05.920 listening to him, he had this to say, Listen, let 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.960 me tell you what I'll do about it. I will 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.840 let us sit down and look at the decisions we've 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.880 made over the last several years. Okay, I'll look at 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.920 it now. If you think I'm interested on a damn 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.760 phone call with you over the radio and sitting here 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.400 and throwing all the good out with the dishwasher, you've 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.479 got to be smoking something over this morning, I'm not, 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:37.200 and I really don't. I don't even want our listeners 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.080 to listen to me talk about it. This is not 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.520 your job. Your job isn't to let me go over 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.520 the reasons that I did something and I'm sorry that 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:52.120 I did it. That's not your job. That's not your job. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.280 Or I'll get somebody else to ask the questions. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:55.560 Men. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:01.240 No, I'm not kidding. So that to set the tone 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:09.280 for twenty three minutes of a rather entertaining regular radio segments. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:09.920 By twenty three minutes. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.080 Twenty three minutes, because I had it recorded and I 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:14.960 listened to it and I saw the end and it 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.719 was at twenty three something. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.520 It sounds like you kind of think he has a 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:20.280 point there. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:28.360 That well, I think I just think that no one 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:34.039 asked the question after Pittsburgh. So did everything change in 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.400 one week? Did the team not practice well? Did the 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:43.520 team not play hard? Suddenly? Everybody after Pittsburgh was talking 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:48.120 about how gritty they were and resilient, and in this 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:53.680 game it was soft and gave up. And I don't 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.840 know that we saw that. I just saw we got 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.960 got a team that just got beat by a better 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:05.400 team at this point in the season, and I think 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:11.960 what most people forget is what did you think about 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.719 this team from the beginning. I saw a lot of 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:19.600 people predicting six and eleven, eight and nine, nine and eight. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.360 Well that's what you're getting at this point, but you 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.200 got to let it play out. I just don't think 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.719 after every game you come to these conclusions about what 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.560 the team is. Last week it was like this is 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.960 an ascending team. Now this week, They're never going to 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.080 be good the rest of the year. Let it play out. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.560 I think at this point they're three and three, which 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.400 I think most people thought at this point there would 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:45.080 be three and three. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.320 Right if you were doing the WNLS before you even 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:49.599 saw what the team was. 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.520 The problem for fans, they're such an ugly three and three. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.720 I mean, and we know how the offseason was, and 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.200 there's all that frustration. It's building, building, building team. They 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.359 beat maybe aren't that good, maybe Pittsburgh gether to not 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:04.680 and so you. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.600 Actually had them losing to Cleveland that I had them. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.520 That's how I had it. But I think it's just 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.200 it's the frustration of here we go again. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.480 You might have had them three and oh at home 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:19.720 and oh and three on the road. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.760 Yeah, so yeah, No, I didn't have it that well. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.840 I knew Baltimore, yeah, and Detroit we're going to be, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:29.960 as they say, the loaded for Bear. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.000 Well, even the Baltimore game, at least for one quarter, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:36.880 they were very competitive. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.440 But I basically did have them about five hundred going 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.000 into Thanksgiving, and it's going to be hard to get 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.400 to stay at five hundred in the next five games 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:47.440 when you look at the schedule. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.120 Such a tough schedule, and you knew that going. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:52.560 In, right, And that's what I'm saying. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.960 Going in, I was like, okay, because you look at 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.280 this stretch of games that they're in right now, which 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.880 started with at Pittsburgh and then Detroit, and then at 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.840 San Francisco, at Atlanta, Philadelphia, Houston, and now you. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.160 Enter Washington into the equation too. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.920 I mean, four of the next five opponents are first 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.520 place teams and you just played a first well, a 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.560 second place team that would be first place. 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.680 In any other division if not for the Vikings. 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.680 Again, that's the frustration, because you're coming off three twelve 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.640 and five seasons. You knew that this team probably wasn't 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:29.720 going to be they did. You know, if you're not 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.440 getting better, you're getting worse. And they knew they weren't 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.120 going to as good as Detroit. They knew they weren't 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.679 good as the forty nine ers, and they did nothing. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.360 And I thought that the first half of the season. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.960 The only way that they could be better or as 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.200 good as they were at the end of last year 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.560 is if they didn't have injuries the first half of 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.080 the season, and they had injuries. Okay, And so now 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.280 now and we just taped the Mike McCarthy Show. And 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.920 then one thing that McCarthy talked about yesterday is that 0:08:57.960 --> 0:08:59.960 they are going to be better for this, the young 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.040 players that are getting experienced now on down the road. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.160 Big picture, well, they're getting there. They're getting their experience, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.840 and we're going to find out in the second half, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.120 in this stretch and then the second half of the season, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.640 just how good these players are that they knew they 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.520 were would need to count on at some point this 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.560 season because of their salary cap issues, they were going 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.800 to have to rely on young players. And now we 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.440 see what these young players can do. And they're going 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:30.720 through growing pains right now. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:35.400 Yeah, and if you just look at I bet they 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:43.319 didn't envision in game six, you're going to have two Well, okay, TJ. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.839 Bass is not a rookie, but his experience. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.280 Is a rookie and he was an undrafted guy. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:53.880 Man, he undrafted playing next to your rookie center. That's 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.440 you're asking a lot to get through. You know, you 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.680 got through the Pittsburgh game. Now everybody sees on tape 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.760 what it looks like and now they're preparing to go, oh, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.880 well look at this right Oh, your Pro Bowl left 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.400 guards not playing tackle and he hadn't done that since 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.439 his rookie year. Well, let's analyze this now on how 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.120 to attack him, and all of a sudden they got 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.080 a book on you. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.880 And then attacking the unit as a whole, when as 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.760 we saw with the Lions game end games prior to that, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.480 sort of giving the Cowboys offense a piece of Mike 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:35.160 Zimmer's defensive strategy, which is a lot of times a 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.520 bear front where it's they got to sort out, okay, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.120 who's coming, who's dropping, and who you're blocking. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.800 And the other thing we take for granted, there was 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.079 a reason why Zach Martin didn't just have a veteran 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.800 rest day on Wednesday. He rested Wednesday, he rested Thursday, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.959 he rested Friday. I don't know what he did on Saturday, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.160 but he had back issue going. 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.920 There wasn't a rest day. It was a back right exactly. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:10.120 And typically, typically my experience, no matter of the sport, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.319 when players don't play to the level that we're accustomed 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.880 to seeing them play, there's usually something physical going on 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.680 with a player, and that's necessarily the case with Zach. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.280 But he didn't show up on the injury report with 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:25.360 a back issue. 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.160 And then on top of all that, no excuses, but 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.520 you had to face Aiden Hutchinson. Right, It wasn't like 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.800 just some dude out there at left tack or left 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.360 defensive end. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.520 So I don't think a healthy Martin would have made 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:42.200 a ton of difference. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:47.360 Well, I think in that particular game, when you're talking 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:53.720 about quote unquote complimentary football, and when you're playing from 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.840 behind by two touchdowns early in the second quarter and 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.640 the defense knows that you have to throw to get 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.600 back in the game, then that changes the complexion of 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.280 things too, for sure. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.440 So anyway, the bottom line was the owner it wasn't 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:12.199 very patient. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:13.920 On his radio show today. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.880 Yeah, you can't blame him. But at the same time, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.679 and you know who side people are going to fall on. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.040 So woll not the greatest. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.360 Yeah, yeah, although I love the way he answered the 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:32.920 question about the He was asked about fan apathy and 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:40.720 he basically never mail. He basically said, we've got we've 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.440 got the best fans in the world. They're passionate. He goes, 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.480 and they're passionate. Either way, We've got passionate fans, right, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.120 And so it was like he wasn't criticizing for being 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.360 mad or anything. He just basically pointed out that they've 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.760 got passion and that's what we want. And I'm sure, yeah, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.800 your mail's probably piling up. I'm just glad I don't 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.200 do mixed mail anymore. 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.000 Yeah, the mailbag stuff comes from me. And it's like 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.559 they win. We get maybe ten emails. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:15.080 That's right. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.160 I forgot the guy that has to read them there. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.800 Yeah, to lose, it's a hundred. So yeah, but can't 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.120 blame them. People just want to vent. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.240 I got so frustrated with it that back in the 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.880 day I find it intern that knew what they were doing, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.000 and it's like, okay, go through here and find me 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.440 five really good questions. I don't need the two page 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.360 dissertations that I was getting. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.959 Okay, so bring us up to speed on anything of 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.760 note that you got from the coordinators. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.280 There were two words, and I don't know if if 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.120 that's what they talked about all that time yesterday while 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:57.200 we were waiting. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:01.120 For the hour and a half wait for the coach 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.200 to have as prescottin and. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:06.640 There was a reason for it. Someone that's very important 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.160 showed up late, so the meetings got started late. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.600 And then why would the coach show up late for 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:13.080 the meeting. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:18.120 Oh no, no, no, let's not try to be. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:21.240 Didn't right? 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:28.360 And then they the personnel meetings went over two games, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:33.760 not just one, and I think the player meeting might 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.760 have gone long. So the idea that they were going 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.200 to start the press conference at two thirty probably wasn't 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.920 a real good idea. And by three thirty they warned 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.880 everybody that we might start at four, will come and 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.480 get you, And so they got everybody about four to ten, 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.720 and it didn't start till four thirty, So. 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.520 It was a two hour Yeah, delight, that's right. Yeah, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.360 is it worth the wait? Actually? 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:07.160 I thought it was Mike's best post game next day 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:13.600 press conference because normally he he I don't know if 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.760 he's worn out emotionally or what. He just doesn't kind 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.760 of get into. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:23.240 It right before you, before you tell us what he said? 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.760 That was his best? What was the best all time? 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:34.240 The best all time day after a game coaches press conference, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:39.680 going back to Valley Ranch in the library, remember we 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:45.040 used to have the Jimmy used to have his day 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.720 after press conference. We were all crammed in the little 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.120 library at Valley Ranch and he would sit at that 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.280 there was a conference table there, and there'd be TV 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.960 cameras on one side of the reporters sitting on one 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.840 side of the table, and Jimmy would be on the 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.680 other side of the table. It just reminded me because 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.480 this reporter happened to ask a question of the coach yesterday. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:11.920 It reminded me of the greatest day after press conference 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:13.640 in the history of the Candy. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:14.880 We're gonna have to go with it. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.160 Then, Okay, it was Jimmy getting up at the end 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.760 of I don't know what game it was or anything. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:26.440 He gets up, grabs his piece of paper, says something 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:31.840 funny ed, something humorous as he stormed out of the library. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.800 It was Edward or a stickert or something. I thought 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.760 something funny ed, something humorous. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:39.720 See, I thought that was. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.840 And here we are thirty something years later and Edward 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.280 is still at a coach's press conference the day after. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.440 See, I thought that was in the team meeting. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:49.360 No it was not. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.160 It was okay, library, So then that wasn't the only time, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.480 because I found out this was all premeditated to send 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.880 a message to the team after they got beat, that 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.520 he was going to get pissed off at a question 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:08.760 and walk off. Ah, and he walked out of the 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:09.720 audit the. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.440 Team meeting college and degree comes. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.080 Yes he did. Jimmy did the same thing to me. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.680 This was later. It might have been a season later. 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.840 I don't remember. It might be what you're talking about. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:19.240 I don't know. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.280 He didn't storm out of this press conference though. But 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.640 I was sitting this was in the team meeting room. Okay, 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.360 the big team meeting room is Tuesday press conference. Back 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.280 then you just basically had one big press conference and 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.600 then you just got availabilities after. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:34.360 Practice the rest of the week. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.119 But anyway, I was sitting next to John Radigan and 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.560 Radigan cracked a joke after and Jimmy was in one 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:47.359 of those very mad moods, you know, and I laughed 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.560 at something that Radigan said to me, and Jimmy catches 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.399 me in a quarter of his eye and he says, you. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:58.520 Got a question, Bill? I said, no, no, I'm good. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.840 I'm good. So, guys, what was funny about that? 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.199 Is the Okay, So back then we got served, you know, 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.639 Jerry served as lunch whatever, and so this was like 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.840 an hour later. And back then, also we would be 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.440 we could park in the player's parking lot right there 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.320 at Valley Ranch. And so I'm going out to my 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.520 car and Jimmy's coming in from his noon jog and 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.760 he yells across the parking lot at me, laughing, saying, you. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.000 Got a question? Bell like that. It was all an act, 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.720 is all it was. You know, he wanted to send 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.720 a message to his team that I'm mad this. 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.000 Week, and when you come back to work on Wednesday, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.000 you better be ready. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.840 And that's what he did that day when he walked out. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.600 He because the players knew. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.879 I did a story that night using that you got 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.200 a question Bill. I got a chalkboard and I was writing. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.199 I wrote on the chalkboard, I will not laugh at 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.760 Jimmy's press coffers. I will not laugh at Jimmy's press coffer. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.119 Have you guys ever had a player a coach kind 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.960 of go after you like Jimmy or like Jerry did the. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:07.720 Day Yes, over the phone. Yeah, and it was Jerry, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:14.119 oh yeah. After the herschel Walker trade when they didn't 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:18.280 come clean on what they gave up and what they 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:22.600 were giving because no one knew that the draft choices 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:27.800 were or the players they got, which were throw off players. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.399 We didn't know they were. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.520 Tied to draft choices if you didn't keep them. And 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.320 so I want to say it was a Friday night 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:43.639 Channel twenty one had a round table of the beat 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.679 writers and the columnists on a TV show for a 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.240 half hour, like a Lee Martin production might have been, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:57.240 and basically everybody just gave them hell for trade in 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.119 a way what everybody thought was the best player on 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.800 the team, right, and got nothing really in return. Well, 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:12.040 Norm Hitchkins on like Friday afternoon maybe Saturday morning. No, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:18.560 it was beforehand reported and I'm using quote marks okay 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:24.639 unreported that Steve Walsh was tied to the trade, that 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:30.560 after the season they're also sending Steve Walsh to Minnesota. Well, 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.560 we found out that was not accurate. It just wasn't right. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.479 And so Saturday morning I get a call from the 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.679 newspaper and they go, we need to get Jerry on 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.720 this Steve Walsh thing. I said, we already find out 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:46.399 it's it's false. 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:47.119 It's not. 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.840 We don't care that you found out it's false. We 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.280 need him to say it's false. You need to get 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:59.120 a hold of them. So back then I probably got 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.760 a hold of Maryland and Maryland got to call me 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.119 back and I told him what I wanted, and he 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:14.679 had watched the show and he began with and he 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:19.600 just unloaded, right, and you you named the word or 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.880 the combination word that he used. 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