WEBVTT - August Pro Golf Check-In: Top Storylines for PGA Tour Playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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<v Speaker 2>When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 3>In a bright egg Frida Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Friday Egg Golf Podcast. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Johnson, and today it's the end of the PGA

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<v Speaker 2>Tour regular season, is the start of the playoffs, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the last playoffs of this format. It has been

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<v Speaker 2>a minute since I reconvene with Kevin van Valkenberg and

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Leamanya from Frida Egg. So we did one of

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<v Speaker 2>our kind of chats about golf and pro golf and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the PGA Tour right now and the big

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<v Speaker 2>stories from the regular season and for the playoffs. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's our conversation today. I am up at Traverse City.

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<v Speaker 2>I will have a new batch of Tom Doak pods.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll probably just be one pod. We did one pod

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<v Speaker 2>last time for next week and just generally excited to

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<v Speaker 2>head into the time of year where we get to

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<v Speaker 2>explore a lot of different alleys of golf, and I

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<v Speaker 2>personally get to play more golf. So excited for this

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<v Speaker 2>time of year here as we had, you know, superintendent

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<v Speaker 2>in Detroit one time told me, Aaron McMaster said, if

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<v Speaker 2>in the northern part of the United States, this is

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<v Speaker 2>was a podcast from maybe like five or six years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think about that date now, August fifteenth. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we get to August fifteenth? And we're nearing that date.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin van Valkenberg and Joseph Leamania Kevin and Joseph. Welcome on.

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<v Speaker 2>Spend a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you guys, Andy, I had a lovely major season,

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<v Speaker 3>a lovely playoff in pre playoff season. I'm ready to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready to dish some takes. I know Joseph is too.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having us back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the Dutch time of the year, playoff season,

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<v Speaker 1>playoff golf. I know we all love the FedEx Cup playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>so excited to get into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll just start. I'm being a rude host. I

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<v Speaker 2>usually dish the ball out, but since you opened the door, Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>the prop was one thing. And you know, whenever we

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<v Speaker 2>talk one thing sponsored to a bunch of things. But Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>one thing is that we're on the doorstep, we're effectively two.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this year and next year, this is

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<v Speaker 2>our playoff format, and then here it seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>running to blow this thing up. So as we head

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<v Speaker 2>into one of these two years of a dead man

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<v Speaker 2>walking playoff format, I am fascinated just to see how players,

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<v Speaker 2>media and the PGA tour themselves goes about talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this year's playoffs in next year's playoffs because they have

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<v Speaker 2>they have already told us that this playoff format sucks

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<v Speaker 2>like they did, so brack roll up like sat up there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of his main thesis is, if I

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<v Speaker 2>remember correctly, from his talk in at the Players this year,

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<v Speaker 2>when he addressed the entire media, the entire golf world.

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<v Speaker 2>One of his main themes of his talk was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to create an engaging playoff format, and here

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<v Speaker 2>we are. We've got two more years of this. What

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would infer he would refer to as

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<v Speaker 2>an unengaging playoff format. But we're here. So one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I've just maybe this is just my amusement.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe sometimes I like to watch the world burn, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see how everybody tiptoes, broadcasters, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>tiptoes or not, does it tiptoe around the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>this playoff format is extremely broken.

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<v Speaker 1>And this isn't one of my main things, Andy, but

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<v Speaker 1>just in doing some prep for this, one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>always astounds me. You know, how much money is being

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<v Speaker 1>distributed over the next three weeks on the PGA tour.

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<v Speaker 2>How much?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a twenty million dollar pers at the Saint Jude,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty million dollar person at the BMW, and then

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of that, one hundred million gets distributed

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<v Speaker 1>at the season long like payouts or one hundred million,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a forty million dollar pers at the tour championship.

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<v Speaker 1>So over the next three weeks on the PGA Tour,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have one hundred and eighty million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>distributed in prize money. Is absolutely same.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what makes me laugh too, Joseph thinking about

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<v Speaker 3>that is like both Rory and like Shane Lowry just

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<v Speaker 3>completely shitting on FedEx. The FedEx got playoffs in general,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Open Championship, Like, yeah, what do I care

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<v Speaker 3>about like the playoffs?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, like I'm not like trying to get like if.

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<v Speaker 3>You imagine if your roll up and you're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out the financial sort of tetris that this all

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<v Speaker 3>requires for the next few years, How do I get

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<v Speaker 3>a better playoff format but also get a sponsor to

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<v Speaker 3>pony up all this money for this and you have

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<v Speaker 3>like two of your bigger name like European players.

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<v Speaker 4>Just absolutely like just detonating it right left.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm FedEx, I'm sitting here being like why am

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<v Speaker 3>I kicking in like all this money for this?

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<v Speaker 4>Like why do I want to reup for this. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's insane golf. I think we've been on

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<v Speaker 2>a really great run here. We had a great major season,

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful major season, and then rolling into this we

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<v Speaker 2>have like these excited young winners, which I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>like the best case scenario for the three M, Rocket

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<v Speaker 2>Mortgage and Windham Swing. So you have twenty one year

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<v Speaker 2>old Jackson Coyven win the three M. Very exciting and

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<v Speaker 2>it was his third PGA to start as a professional.

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<v Speaker 2>You have Michael Thorpe Jordson finally breaking through with a

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<v Speaker 2>win at twenty four, former PGA Tour U number one player,

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<v Speaker 2>great player in Stanford, had been sniffing around a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of contending in a lot of tournaments. He finally gets

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<v Speaker 2>it done. Then you have Michael Brennan win for the

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<v Speaker 2>second time in a calendar year. Twenty four year old

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Brennan win for the second time in a calendar year.

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<v Speaker 2>Really exciting, like kind of like ascending player who seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be really figuring it out based off the last

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<v Speaker 2>six weeks of his PGA Tour career. So you have

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<v Speaker 2>this really exciting run in and then you have like

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<v Speaker 2>the at the Windom. The relegation aspect, the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the end of the season. Okay, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>it's never really true relegation. I feel like in golf

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<v Speaker 2>there's always like one last chance. But whatever we'll say,

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<v Speaker 2>there is true relegation here. You have the playoff cut line,

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<v Speaker 2>which is seventy, you have the card cut line which

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<v Speaker 2>is one hundred, and you know, you have this excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>What's insane is somehow they've put they they're distributing one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty million dollars of money, and it gets

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<v Speaker 2>less interesting, Like it feels like we're going to Memphis

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like a dead weight because it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred degrees every day in Memphis this week, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going Memphis to Saint Louis to Atlanta on a

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<v Speaker 2>stretch of golf that is supposed to be the most

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<v Speaker 2>the most important stretch of golf for the PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 2>based off of what they tell us. So it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a fascinating situation. Obviously, all this is going to change

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<v Speaker 2>in two years, but these next two years are I

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<v Speaker 2>just as someone who enjoys watching people try and wrap

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<v Speaker 2>themselves into a pretzel and tell us how important things are.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think there's any chance to change the Tour

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<v Speaker 1>Championship for next year?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I mean, this is the thing too, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is like, if we get like number twenty nine winning,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just people are gonna just be more negative about it,

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<v Speaker 2>so they change just for context. They changed the format

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<v Speaker 2>last year to where whoever of the top thirty makes

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<v Speaker 2>the FedEx Cup Final at east like it's a straight

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<v Speaker 2>tournament because everybody hated the stagger start. I hated the

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<v Speaker 2>stagger start. I think this is way better personally, way better,

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<v Speaker 2>But like you know, it's it's just it so they

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<v Speaker 2>anybody can win now, and I yeah, I think if they,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're gonna change it. The whole point

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<v Speaker 2>of this, though, is it's just a money distribution ploy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a way to distribute money to the biggest players

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<v Speaker 2>in the sport. And if number twenty nine or number

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<v Speaker 2>Chris rightand wins wins at east Lake, it's gonna ruin

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<v Speaker 2>the whole ploy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Alex Smalley would be the funniest winner of

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<v Speaker 3>the entire first.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it would be amazing if if someone like

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Speith or or Madick McNeely Maverick mcneeley's best finish

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<v Speaker 2>is tenth this year, Jorge Speed hasn't had a top

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<v Speaker 2>ten all year, it'd be amazing if somehow they could

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<v Speaker 2>get there without you know, like finishing higher than tenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if bad McNeely finished tent tents and then go

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<v Speaker 2>and wins, that would be a funny outcome. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's all kinds of humorous outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, would do you want to talk about Speed?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's go on. That's my big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So as negative as we've been off of the top,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think for good reason, given our enthusiasm for

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, I do think there's an argument that this

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<v Speaker 1>is the most interesting playoffs in a while with player

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<v Speaker 1>specific storylines. I won't step on other ones in case, OK, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys might have some. I think there's some good ones.

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<v Speaker 1>speF is a genuinely, really interesting one. He's fifty fourth

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<v Speaker 1>in the FedEx Cup standings and being exempt for all

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<v Speaker 1>the signature events next year is a huge deal. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the top fifty, you have to play pretty

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<v Speaker 1>bad golf to not stay like in the top fifty

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe ninety, Like that's a question mark for next year,

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<v Speaker 1>is with the changes that are coming in twenty twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>where are you going to need to be in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven to be exempt into all the events? And

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like it'll probably probably be something like top

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<v Speaker 1>ninety if you get to play all the signature events

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<v Speaker 1>next year. It's kind of hard to not finish inside

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<v Speaker 1>the top ninety with how many FedEx Cup points they

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<v Speaker 1>give out at these events. So it is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>deal to get into the top fifty this year. And

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<v Speaker 1>Speed sitting at fifty four TVD exactly where he'll need

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<v Speaker 1>to finish in Memphis to make it into the top fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll be somewhere in the top fifteen. Probably needs

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<v Speaker 1>like a twelfth place or so, depending on where everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else finishes. And Andy, as you mentioned, no top tens

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<v Speaker 1>this year. I was looking at it. There are five

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<v Speaker 1>golfers who played at least twenty one who played more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty times this year and didn't finish with the

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<v Speaker 1>top ten. It's Billy Horschel, Brian Campbell, Max McGreevy, Ricohoey

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<v Speaker 1>and Jordan Speed. So you know, respectfully like not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the list of names that you want to associate with

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<v Speaker 1>with Jordan Spief and some of those guys like Billy's

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<v Speaker 1>coming off an injury. Some of these guys are more

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<v Speaker 1>up and comers, like Brian Campbell's kind of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the had a little bit of a fluky season last years,

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<v Speaker 1>Like these are not necessarily the names you associate with

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Spied. So I think this is a pretty pivotal

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<v Speaker 1>week for speed If he does crack the top fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very different. Then Okay, he needs sponsor exemptions or

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<v Speaker 1>he has to play his way into the signature events

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<v Speaker 1>next year, Like Jordan Spied's long term status on the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour is somewhat determined by how he plays in Memphis.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you say this season has been a disappointment, a

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<v Speaker 3>disaster holding serve for speedf Like relative to how would

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<v Speaker 3>you categorize it? Justin because obviously he's been worse in

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<v Speaker 3>recent years. Injury contributed to some of that, but and

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<v Speaker 3>he's been a lot better when he's younger. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you've been a speed skeptic, I've been a speF sort

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<v Speaker 3>of optimist. But I'm coming around to your side. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>kind of curious to what you think. How would you

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<v Speaker 3>categorize this season in general? I mean not you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no top fends for sure, nine top twenty fives.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not that big of a deal. But it isn't

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<v Speaker 3>like garbage. He's not a terrible player right now in

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<v Speaker 3>the universe of golf. He's just not a threat to

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<v Speaker 3>put it all together and win any week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say somewhere between disappointing and a disaster

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<v Speaker 1>in that relative to expectations, it's not a disaster. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think every year that goes by now and speeds

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, what is going to be a catalyst for

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<v Speaker 1>him actually getting back into contention and getting his game

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<v Speaker 1>into a place where he is a threat to win tournaments.

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<v Speaker 1>Every year that goes by and he doesn't do that,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets less likely. So I think this if you

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<v Speaker 1>were just to look at the results this year, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably just categorize it as a serious disappointment. No top

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<v Speaker 1>tens in twenty one starts like that's plenty of golf

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<v Speaker 1>when you're healthy that you should at least crack a

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<v Speaker 1>top ten, hopefully contending a couple of times. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that has aspirations of winning a major championship again.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, relative to expectations of disappointment. But in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the long term outlook, if you were somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>came into this year saying I think Jordan Speed will

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<v Speaker 1>win a major again, or I think he'll win some

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<v Speaker 1>big tournaments again, you have to feel like that is

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<v Speaker 1>less likely after this year. So I mean somewhere between

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<v Speaker 1>a disappointment and a pretty significant I won't use the

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<v Speaker 1>disaster word, but it's a very big disappointment this year.

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<v Speaker 3>He keeps citing that stat about me Michelson didn't win

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<v Speaker 3>a single major until he was thirty four years old.

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<v Speaker 3>What would you say in sort of response to that

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<v Speaker 3>about the way the game is different now than it was,

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<v Speaker 3>say in two thousand and four, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you're Jordan's Speed, that's the way you

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<v Speaker 1>should look at it. That players' primes tend to be

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<v Speaker 1>between you know, we're seeing twenty seven twenty eight to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven thirty eight. So yeah, if I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to bed every night and trying to talk myself into

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<v Speaker 1>why I was going to be a major threat again

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<v Speaker 1>some day, which you have to be able to put

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in that headspace, then I think that's the right

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<v Speaker 1>message to be telling yourself. But from just a golf

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<v Speaker 1>standpoint and abstracting Speed from this situation, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to be getting better every year, Like JJ

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<v Speaker 1>Spahn won a major for the first time last year

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<v Speaker 1>at what was he thirty four if I remember correctly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was thirty four last year and he won. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's been thirty eight. He's been getting better and better,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Speed's kind of trending in the other direction. So sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good message for Speed to tell himself. But

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<v Speaker 1>the game gets more competitive every and every year. I

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<v Speaker 1>think even if you're somebody like Scotty and you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>win this year, like there's some level of concern that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to do something to elevate my game to

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<v Speaker 1>the next level. Let alone, if you're Speed, who's been

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<v Speaker 1>trending not necessarily in the wrong direction, but if he's stalling,

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<v Speaker 1>then he's still pretty far from contending again at the

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<v Speaker 1>highest level. I mean, you'd at least want to see

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<v Speaker 1>like a final pairing in a non signature event this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and for him to be pretty much irrelevant all season. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can feel very good about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, one of the things I always

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<v Speaker 2>think about is if you go through the greatest players

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<v Speaker 2>of all time, there are very very few that had

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<v Speaker 2>great careers for ten plus years. It's like a number.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at Spieth, his ten year mark

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<v Speaker 2>hit at like twenty nine thirty, and like, I just

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<v Speaker 2>wonder was that it, you know, I mean, you could

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<v Speaker 2>go down the history of golf. There's so many cases

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<v Speaker 2>of players that have had similar like not in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense of how young the start was, but how long

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<v Speaker 2>and how how how bright it burned for how long

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<v Speaker 2>it burned. It just falls in line with so many careers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that's like a crazy thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you wanted to take a positive approach, he's

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<v Speaker 2>positive in every category the PGA Tour, so he you know,

0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:10.000
<v Speaker 2>every statistical category he's positive. Now can he make And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that there's not like just some like gaping

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<v Speaker 2>hole in the bucket. And actually the weakest part of

0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the game is the is around the green statistically, which

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<v Speaker 2>you would think is probably should be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>strongest parts. So I think, you know, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the for me, the thing with with Jordan Speeth is

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<v Speaker 2>by you know, some players have been able to change

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<v Speaker 2>and evolve and and in their game, but when you

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<v Speaker 2>do that, you risk losing your golf DNA. And to me,

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Speith lost his golf DNA in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>Chase for perfection from t degree and and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the kind of like the tail here, Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you bring up actually a huge point that

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<v Speaker 2>I had overlooked is how important this year is in

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<v Speaker 2>setting up next year because next year's where where the

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<v Speaker 2>hard cut comes. And you're either on the Challenge I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to call it the Challenge Tour. I think

0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.640
<v Speaker 2>it's better than the Challengers. You're either on the Challenge

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<v Speaker 2>Tour playing in in Moline and uh, you know the

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<v Speaker 2>barbersol and where wherever you want to you know, Kentucky

0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.240
<v Speaker 2>and all these places, or you're on the Big Tour

0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.440
<v Speaker 2>playing playing for a lot of body and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of points and getting into the top fifty, like almost

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<v Speaker 2>assured this year, almost assures that you make the big

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<v Speaker 2>cut next year. Now, like the sad thing, they should

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<v Speaker 2>do away with all sponsors exemptions next year. They should

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<v Speaker 2>That should be because of how important. The cut is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be next year, they should just do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh they won't, So Jordan Smith will get a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of sponsor exemption. Another name that miss completely missed the

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs that will be eligible for sponsors exemptions next year

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<v Speaker 2>because he's done his time is Brooks Kopka. So he

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<v Speaker 2>missed you know, he completely missed the playoffs. Obviously. If

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<v Speaker 2>I think he finished like something like ninety four in

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the FedEx Cup, he you know, he had a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great stand of Like I'm I suck, like this is

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<v Speaker 2>really sad that I missed missed this like it's pathetic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he used the word pathetic. But he will

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<v Speaker 2>be getting a lot of sponsors exemptions. I it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that the success of that Challenge tour is actually

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<v Speaker 2>and and if I was Brian Rollapp, I actually want

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 2>players like Jordan Spieth or Brooks Kopka or Max Homa

0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.399
<v Speaker 2>or big time player you know, Ricky Fowlers in the

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<v Speaker 2>top thirty. He's you know, he's had a great, great year.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you want players with name brand appeal playing

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.280
<v Speaker 2>in that tour on that tour because then it gives

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<v Speaker 2>it automatic storylines of can this guy get back to

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<v Speaker 2>the to the to where he once was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you, as you mentioned, like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>play if you play a full schedule of signature events

0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 1>next year, like Tony Fina had a really rough year.

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<v Speaker 1>He finished ninety eighth in the FedEx Cup standings playing

0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of signature events, and that's playing really poor

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 1>golf by his standards. We we think, right, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like ninety that you got to finish in

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the top you know, ninety or so next year to

0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>be exempt for all the Championship Series events in twenty

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight when that new model goes into effect, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing in the top fifty, you're probably going to

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.119
<v Speaker 1>make that. So yeah, I do think every year is

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.000
<v Speaker 1>important to be in the signature events, but there's an

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>argument to be made that next year it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>most important year to be in the top fifty and

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<v Speaker 1>playing that full schedule.

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<v Speaker 3>The one thing I think was Speeth that probably just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't get enough discussion is how unwilling he has been

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<v Speaker 3>to change anything, whether it's changed, you know, his coach changes,

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Caddie like, he kind of keeps working on the same stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know there's people in golf who remain baffled

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:27.639
<v Speaker 3>by his loyalty to camer McCormick and why he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>go see someone else who could just tighten up dispersion

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 3>or make him more consistent, or just give him a

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<v Speaker 3>new set of eyes. And I kind of wonder, like,

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 3>is there some stubbornness there, some loyalty there? I think

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 3>like it'd be hard pressed to find a better caddie

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 3>who was willing to deal with his verbal processing than

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Michael Greller. So I don't think that like making a

0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:56.879
<v Speaker 3>switch there would be particularly effective. But who knows? I

0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:00.919
<v Speaker 3>just I do wonder, like, you know, McCormick doesn't have

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 3>like a big stable of players. He doesn't have like

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 3>a long history of you know, coaching guys back from

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 3>the brink. You know, why not go see if Butcharmon

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 3>will take a look at you, or you know, Pete

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:17.199
<v Speaker 3>Cowen or you know, any of the top instructors and

0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 3>just see, like what do you see?

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<v Speaker 4>And what what could you help me with?

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<v Speaker 1>Is? How does that conflict with? You know? For example,

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<v Speaker 1>we admire that Scotty Scheffler has stuck with Randy Smith

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 1>for so long, and Andy's mentioning, you know, Jordan Speed

0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:34.399
<v Speaker 1>not losing his golfing DNA working with somebody who's always

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 1>worked with Yeah, how Kevin, how does that conflict with

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 1>that idea?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess Randy has a longer history of

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:47.360
<v Speaker 3>like coaching PG Tour players. You know, he had Justin Leonard, uh,

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, I can't remember who the other one he had,

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, he had cult nost I think like there

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 3>was some sort of history there built into like, hey,

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 3>I know, how to get guys to Jortan might have

0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 3>just been that Jordan Spieth was always going to be

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 3>good enough to make it to the PGA Tour, and

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<v Speaker 3>he happened to end up with, you know, camer McCormick.

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 3>And I just sort of wonder like at some point,

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 3>like if Scotty was had been terrible all of a

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 3>sudden for five years, I don't know that he would

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe he would stick with Rannie Smith. But

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.360
<v Speaker 3>I think most players go seek out some other knowledge

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 3>when they've lost kind of who they were, and that

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 3>there's you know, there is a decent history of like

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<v Speaker 3>guys finding some just like it almost refreshes your brain

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 3>in some ways. And let's find a new way to

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 3>think about this. Let's find it just a new ear

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 3>to you know, to attack this. There's a lot of

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:40.919
<v Speaker 3>good coaches out there, Like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, look at what Sean Foley has done with Michael Kim.

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:44.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, Michael Kim was the number one amateur in

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 3>the world and kind of lost his golf d and

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 3>a and then Sean Folly got with him and was like,

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I just saw a video the other day. It's like, look, dude,

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 3>like you used to play a draw and you used

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 3>to like, you know, he We're going to hit freakin'

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 3>rope hooks for an hour every single day until we

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 3>get back that pattern.

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 4>That you used to have.

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 3>And he's made Michael Kim from you know, the two

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>hundred best golfer in the world to you know, the

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.640
<v Speaker 3>fortieth best golfer in the world or whatever. And that's

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 3>that's a pretty dramatic shift and a dramatic change.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I Jean.

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Felly got a lot of grief for what he did

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 3>with Tiger Woods or whatever, but that you know, Jehan

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Filly is a good golf coach, Like I would be

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 3>fascinated to see what he would think and say about

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, what what he could do for Jordan Speed.

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess if you explored it like in the

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 2>vein of almost anything else. You know, if we took

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>like the you know, we'll just it's baseball season. We'll

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>use baseball if you're if your baseball team, if you

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>took Speeth like and you won, you know, we'll just

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 2>say three World Series is early, you know, and you're

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, now almost ten years removed from the last

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 2>World Series and you're just kind of instantly missing the playoffs. Uh,

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>with your manager, you make a change, right, ye? I

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 2>guess like it's continuity I think is like the most

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.199
<v Speaker 2>underrated thing in golf. But at a certain point you

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 2>have to be able to pull the plug and say

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>we're going to try something new, because even trying something

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 2>new could be beneficial if you later decide to go

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>back to camera, say, in Speech's case, go back to

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Cameron McCormick, like getting a voice that just explains something

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 2>differently or looks at something differently. I think, like one

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 2>of my big questions with Speeth, he just doesn't seem

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 2>to be able to put four rounds together anymore like that,

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 2>That to me is like the bigger issue here is

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.679
<v Speaker 2>that I think, like when you look at what makes

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 2>every When you look at what makes the great players great,

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>it's the way they manufacture scores on days they don't

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>have it. It's our arguably, like you know, you anytime

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 2>you look at the best player in the world. That's

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>but Scotty personifies this like better than almost anybody. It's

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 2>like turned seventy fours into seventies like nobody's business. And

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 2>that's what Speeth used to do. He used to be.

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 2>It used to be like a marvel to watch him.

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 2>And I think he's been so so focused on on

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>the long game that like he actually lost his ability

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>to just like score the ball. And I just I

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I think there is like the other piece

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>of this is like maybe he's just a mediocre golfer

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's what he is.

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I think we were hitting on Andy. I would be

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>fascinated to hear a lot of instructors weigh in on this.

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>But if somebody comes to you, who's making a ton

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>of twenty five footers scrambling their hail off and there

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>are some deficiencies in the long game, how much do

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>you prioritize trying to become a better driver of the

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>golf ball, which is one of the most sustainable skills

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 1>versus just embracing that you're going to try and be

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>one of the best scramblers and scorers on tour for

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the next ten to fifteen years. And I think that

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>this is a case study in what happens when you

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 1>do try to correct the driving, and there are successful studies.

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I don't know that I can pull one

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>off the top of my head, but I think that's

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>a good question for an instructor if somebody comes to

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you at age twenty one to twenty two and that's

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>their profile making putts that are probably not sustainable, almost

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>definitely not sustainable by far the best long range cutter

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>on tour. Clear deficiencies off the tee in an era

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>where I think an underrated part of the speed story

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about on this pod before is that

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, guys are hitting the ball a lot better

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>than ten years ago. It's not just that speed's sitting

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the ball worse. These guys have gotten really optimized. So

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>do you try to correct that or do you just

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>embrace that DNA as a world class scrambler. But you

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>might be if you go that route and just say

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to really touch a lot of the

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>long game. You might be accepting that your world ranking

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 1>is just going to fall because you're going to you're

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be able to stack up tea degreen with

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>some of the top guys. I mean, it's a pretty

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>difficult question to maneuver if you were working with a

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>guy whose profile looks like that.

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I Mean, we talk a lot about Sevy being a legend,

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 3>but there's a lot of evidence that Seve kind of

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 3>ruined the back half of his career, like trying to

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 3>fix his terrible driving, Like he was a horrendous driver,

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 3>but he you know, had scoring DNA as Andy talked about,

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 3>and then you know he got with like you know,

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Michael Grady and like he was like, oh, I'm going

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 3>to make I want to fix this and you're gonna

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 3>be got much better, and he just he kind of

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 3>lost who he was, Like Sevy' is the last you know,

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 3>five years of Seve's forties were kind of miserable.

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I this is the thing. Sev's career was

0:30:55.880 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>like ten years. The other asked act of when you like,

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.239
<v Speaker 2>improvement is hard to do with golf. There's you know,

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>we'll just call it, we'll call it four fastests of golf,

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>short game, iron play, driving, putting, and then if you

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted to put a fifth. Is a mental game, and

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>mental game ways into all these things, and when you

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>work on things, they have balances other ways. Like I

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>think one of the hardest things to do with golf

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>is like if you really focus on something and focus

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 2>on improving a skill, you naturally are spending less times

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>on other skills. And the the PGA Tour level is

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>such thin margins, such thin margins. I mean you're talking

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>about like you know, we talk about strokes gain. It

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like actually show reve skill like your personal skill.

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>You theoretic be theoretically could be a better player right

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>now than he was ten years ago, but actually be

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 2>worse on the PGA Tour. The metric that we use

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>is strokes game, which compares speed to the field. Right

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>we don't have like a so it's compared to his

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>peers at all times. But when you spend a lot

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>of time on improving one skill, you're naturally not spending

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 2>as much time elsewhere. And little change is like how

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>you might be striking an iron shot can bleed into

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>your short game. Also like movements that you're doing with

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 2>your body. It's just body movement. The thing I would

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 2>always like hesitate with, like anybody who's a short game magician,

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>is the everybody else will underrate the freedom that it

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 2>provides you to play more aggressive than your peers. If

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 2>you can get up and down from everywhere, you will

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 2>generate more birdy chances because you're less afraid of leaving

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>yourself in certain places than the rest of the field. Thus,

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>your targets in certain instances will be tighter. You will

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>hit more shots close because of that, and you will

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>get up and down more often. It like I think,

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>like the statistical uh of a revolution in the sport

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:25.959
<v Speaker 2>completely dismisses just how mental and momentum driven the playing

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 2>tournament golf is. Having a great short game is like

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>a cheat code, because when you're standing six or seven

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 2>holes into the round and you know you've hit it

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>like crap and you're like, huh, I'm one under, it's

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>like the best feeling in the world. And then you know,

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 2>like in the course of eighteen holes, these guys are

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>going to hit a string together, a series of really

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>great shots, and that's how you shoot sixty eight sixty

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>seven without your best stuff. Is that like you play

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the holes where you're hit in it all over the place,

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>even par under par even like Scotty does this all

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.399
<v Speaker 2>the time. He takes care of the par fives. He's

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.280
<v Speaker 2>two under and you're like, he hasn't a good shot,

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>But this is what having a short game does. And

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I think, like, I think that's like probably the most

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 2>glaring thing with Speed is like you know, they still

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 2>talk about him on the on the telcast like he's

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he's you know what Scottie Scheffler is today,

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 2>even what Rory McElroy is, you know, from a sense

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 2>of like the short game prowess, but he's not that anymore.

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get over my skis with with

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>short game technique. But I also, from what I understand

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 1>spif the way that he hits iron shots is a

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>little close, sorry, when he hits short game shots is

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 1>a little more technique wise close to the way that

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 1>he hits an iron shot with like the real forward

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>shaft leen he hits kind of similar technique to Scheffler.

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 1>So I would think with Speed, if you are trying

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to change the long game, it's a little more impactful

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.840
<v Speaker 1>to the short game then some other guys techniques like

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Victor Hobland kind of has the same thing, like the

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>real forward shaft, Leen picking the ball Queen doesn't use

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the ground as much. I wonder if speaks long, if

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 1>his short game is more sensitive to changes with his

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 1>long game than other guys, and if that was part

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>of the calculation when mccormicker whoever else he's worked with

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>was going through like some of the long game stuff.

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they maybe fully appreciated how that

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>could impact a short game, because you're right, Andy, statistically

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>spe short game. He had the worst season he's had

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:30.959
<v Speaker 1>in a while.

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, I like how cautiously you waited in there.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I you know, the short game short game world is

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 2>a cruel world. That that's right right to show her

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>receipts and flame each other at at the at the

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 2>drop of a hat. So I liked how you you waited,

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>You tiptoed in there.

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>You use the wrong word or something with short game

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>and your mentions get lit up. So yeah, I don't

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 1>need to get into those.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Worse Kevin any more on speak or I guess final

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 2>question on speed do you think he plays his way

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 2>into the top fifty this week at Saint Jude, at

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 2>the first stop on the sweat Swing.

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think it plays.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 3>I think what I looks he needs like a T

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 3>twenty three or something to get into the top fifty

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 3>or something. I can't remember, just glanced at it last night.

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 3>Joseph probably fact check me here as I fill the

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 3>buster for a moment.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>But he needs that is okay? If he gets a

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>solo twenty third, that's enough to get to the fiftieth spot.

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>It's going to have to be better than that because

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>other guys are going to jump. So I was hard

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to guess, but I would assume it's going to be

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 1>closer to fifteenth to the seventeen.

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 4>I might say that I might withdraw. Then.

0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that he can finished top fifteen, you know.

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, Speth, he knows the stakes.

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 4>That's good.

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 3>I would like to see it happen for his sake.

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 3>I think it's whatever you think about speed and like,

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, old heads like me who are like, oh man,

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.720
<v Speaker 3>why do you get off speed? Like it's a great quote,

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.280
<v Speaker 3>and speak's a great person to have around talking about

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 3>golf and I think that's good overall for the health

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 3>of golf and golf media, and so I'm rooting for

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 3>him to be involved, just in some ancillary way. And

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 3>I think the most likely outcome for me with Speath

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 3>over the next five years is probably that he continues

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 3>to sort of a slow fade and he drops out

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.760
<v Speaker 3>of like being an everyday elite golfer.

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 4>But then at one moment in.

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 3>His forties, like forty one or something, he has a

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 3>flash of a weekend where he gets into contention at

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 3>the Masters of the Open Championship and reminds us of

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 3>like who used to be Like there's some you know,

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 3>historical sort of like a Darren Clark situation, like your

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 3>prime has passed and all of a sudden you kind

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 3>of are in the mix suddenly again. He just I

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 3>think he still has a really good golf brain. I

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 3>don't think that consistently. Probably going forward he can be

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 3>great again, But I do think like he'll remind us

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 3>one more time of like, Hey, I used to be

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 3>that guy. I can think my way around Augusta when

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 3>the winning score is six under and all of a sudden,

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm in the mix for this.

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Seeky think about Spieth that you just remind me of

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 2>his tenure US Open exceptions. Gone, he's fifty seventh of

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the world. There's like a real chance he's doing golf's

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>longest day next year.

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 4>Man, I just didn't think about that.

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, he doesn't have another exemption category, right.

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I don't think so. If he

0:38:56.160 --> 0:39:02.240
<v Speaker 2>gets like Eastlake, he's it, right, Yeah, but I ad

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's gonna finish top fifteen. I could

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 2>be wrong at at like a fairly demanding Te de

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Green golf course in FedEx Saint Jude so I. And

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 2>then the question is like how much he's never been

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody that's gonna just go soldier into fall.

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he might have to rethink that, I mean, might

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 3>really need to go play in the fall.

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, that's unbelievable that that's how we're talking about him.

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, probably the biggest way.

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 4>I can't do anymore Speed talk.

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 3>This is unfair to any audience to just continue to

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 3>talk to speed for twenty minutes.

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, Kevin, what's what's your what's your kind of

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 2>big thing?

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 4>I want to talk about three guys?

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Actually here is sort of feel like are much better

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 3>than Jordan.

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 2>You're doing what I did. Crow.

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Three guys who are are obviously much better players than

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Jordan Speith, who are not in danger of losing their

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 3>card in any sense. But Victor Hobland, Tommy Fleetwood, Sanders

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Shoffley uh two FedEx Cup champions one Tour Championship winner

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 3>in Xander. In the past, obviously we all were sort

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.919
<v Speaker 3>of hoping for a little bit more amongst the three

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 3>of them. This year, you know, Tommy seemed like he

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 3>was on the cusp of really taking the next step.

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Victor is the only one of those three who has

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 3>a win this year, has the fewest top tens of them.

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 3>I just I find myself wondering again, Like I mean,

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 3>fleet was a little older, so we could sort of say,

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 3>like maybe I think I said on the last time

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 3>we convened, like maybe Tommy's time has come and gone.

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 4>But with Xander, that's not the case.

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to I want to see something from

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Xander that sort of reminds me of like, man, this

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 3>is one of the three best players in the world

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 3>or five best players in the world. How do we

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 3>sort of get back a little bit of that magic

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 3>that Xander had, you know, is the putting, which was

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 3>so good, it's regressed a little bit. Is that what's

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 3>holding him back? Like with Victor, you know, he missed

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 3>three cuts in Majors this year. That's just a pretty

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 3>poor season after like an okay Masters at the start.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 3>I just feel like these are three legitimate stars in

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 3>the world of golf, and we got kind of a

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.360
<v Speaker 3>nothing burger season out of the three of them in

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 3>terms of like real impact. And I would just I

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 3>would love to see one of them kind of grab

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 3>the reins again and do something in this playoffs to

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 3>remind me of like how good they are.

0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I think, of the three of them, Xander's probably the

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.799
<v Speaker 1>one that I'd the least worried about. But it's easy

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to just give. It's easy to give the excuse of injuries.

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Xander has been dealing with an injury that rib cartilage

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 1>that I do think has been lingering and.

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 4>A year removed from that, I know.

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 1>But he's been wincing on the range, Like at the

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>US Open, he did not load comfortable hitting on the range.

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to give him the pass indefinitely, but

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>he finished a runner up at the Rocket. Not the

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>strongest field, but I mean at least it was a

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.479
<v Speaker 1>runner up. He finished third at the Players this year.

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a clear step back and we would

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>expect better things from Xander. But this is still a

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>guy that's been consistently in major championships his entire career.

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Still played well in the majors this year Top eighteen,

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>top twenty and all four of them. I'm not that

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>worried about Xander going into next year. I think with

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Tommy that's a bigger concern that on the heels of

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the best golf he's played in his career, this year

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 1>has been very underwhelming. And with Victor, I mean that

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I never know what to expect from Victor. Always going

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 1>to be concerns about the short game. The driver has

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.399
<v Speaker 1>been all over the place. You could tell me that

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Victor's the number three player in the world at the

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>end of next year and a huge part of the

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 1>reason that Europe wins the Ryder Cup, or that like,

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>he's kind of a liability on the Ryder Cup team

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and they play him two matches, so I guess to

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.800
<v Speaker 1>put him, I don't know how to put Fleetwood in

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Hobland in order. I'd probably put Fleetwood ahead of Hobland

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>at least for next year. But I think Xander is

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>pretty clearly the best of the three.

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.839
<v Speaker 4>What's crazy about is sorry and it just was going

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 4>to play real.

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Quick that like the Driver is much bigger concern for

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Victor now than around the Green, Like he was a

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 3>disaster of a player around the Green, but now the

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 3>driver is like a real liability and he's actually like

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:43.959
<v Speaker 3>a pretty darn good short game player around the Green.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I think I was fascinating he I think, by his

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.840
<v Speaker 2>own admission, would say he's been like basically lost since

0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the Toy three FedEx Cup, where at the time or

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 2>like maybe he's the best player in the world.

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.920
<v Speaker 4>And I think he's metachorically.

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Lost, which what's amazing though, is he's I think after

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 2>he won the vals Bar in twenty five he was like,

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 2>I did not see this coming. And I think the

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 2>same goes for his win at Travelers, because he was

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 2>like he was on the range of the US Open

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>for hours after he missed the cut on Saturday and Sunday,

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>grinding away and I think again it was like a

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.319
<v Speaker 2>like out of nowhere win and he's had two of

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>these and like basically I would say three years of

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 2>being like out to sea, he's managed to like put

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:52.439
<v Speaker 2>it together for short stints of time. I think it's

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 2>another example is what we talked about with Speeth, a

0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 2>little bit of like there's it's so hard to get

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:05.839
<v Speaker 2>better when you're one of the ten best players.

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 4>In the world.

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:11.919
<v Speaker 2>It's so freaking hard, and you sometimes do and there's

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>like the history of golf has so many cases of this.

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:19.479
<v Speaker 2>You do crazy things and you convince yourself you need

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>to do things in order to become better. And I

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>think hovelin Hobland categorically when he came on tour was

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 2>like basically a driving machine. He drove the crap out

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 2>of the golf ball. It wasn't the longest, but he

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>was so accurate, and he was very He was adequately long.

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 2>He was a great iron player. He made putts when

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>he needed to make putts. He just had to clean

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 2>up the short game, like legitimately, and we saw it

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>at the twenty three FedEx Cup. We saw the version

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.840
<v Speaker 2>of golfer that everybody was like, Oh, once he figures

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 2>out how to wedge the ball around the greens, how

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:05.879
<v Speaker 2>to hit short game shots, this guy is just going

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:09.319
<v Speaker 2>to be a superstar, and we saw it and then

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 2>he you know, because of the curious person he is,

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of crazy in the sense of like

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 2>how he likes to untone any type of stone. He

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 2>likes to unturn every stone in the world, seemingly, and

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.319
<v Speaker 2>no matter what the topic is, he likes to turn

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 2>the stone over and figure out what the beating of

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>everything is. He did it with his golf swing and

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 2>now it's like, well, now he can't hit the ball.

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I think I'd be remiss not to bring up Andy

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, like he found it for these couple of weeks.

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Victor's a pretty good testament to the difference

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>between major championship golf and weekend and week out golf.

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Where the two wins he's had over the last two

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.880
<v Speaker 1>years of bals Bar and Travelers, those are golf courses

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 1>where you don't have to hit driver very much. And

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you saw this, like justin Thomas's one win of the

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 1>last two years, was it hard where you don't have

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to hit driver very much.

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Victor plays great at valspar He always plays great at vals.

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Far exactly, Like there's a big difference between those types

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>of setups where you're not hitting driver a lot, and

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>then at a major where you do have to hit

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 1>driver a lot, and when you don't hit it well,

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 1>generally depending on the setup, you get kind of crushed.

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 1>So Victor missed the cut at three of the four

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Majors this year. So I do think it's a testament

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to the difference between weekend and week out golf, especially

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 1>on some of those softer setups that masks some of

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:32.439
<v Speaker 1>those bigger issues. But the most fascinating part of Kevin,

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, you love getting into Victor Howland. I still

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 1>think he's given one of the best quotes of the

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years, and it didn't end up getting

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 1>transcribed for whatever reason. But when I was talking to

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 1>him at the Open at Port Rush, he said about

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>his twenty twenty three season that he beat Scotty Scheffler

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.400
<v Speaker 1>all the time. Because I'd asked him like, does this

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>see you know a little bit of a disappointing finish

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 1>this week, Like does this give you more motivation seeing

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>what Scotty's doing that you need to get back to

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.720
<v Speaker 1>that level? And Victor said, like, look, no one's pushing

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Scotty right now, Like it's not that he's doing anything special,

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:05.799
<v Speaker 1>it's that no one's pushing him. And when I was

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 1>playing well, I beat him all the time. He said

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that verbatim, that he was beating him all the time,

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 1>which was true. So I think Victor looks at himself

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 1>as the best player in the world when everything's clicking,

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.719
<v Speaker 1>and I think a lot of other guys don't necessarily

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>see that, like they think that Scotty's on a little

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>bit of a different stratosphere. So I'm with you, Kevin,

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that he's one of the most fascinating golfers in the

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>world and one of those that actually does have the

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:28.279
<v Speaker 1>potential to get back to world number one. I don't

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>think he ever touched world number one, but he was close,

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and he was playing like the best golfer in the world.

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 1>He is somebody who could conceivably get to world number one,

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 1>but it does feel pretty far right now.

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 3>My favorite part about Victor is, like Andy, you point out,

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 3>like what a good driver he was, what a good

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.400
<v Speaker 3>ball striker he was, And my favorite thing about it,

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.439
<v Speaker 3>and when I did that story about him a couple

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 3>of years ago, is that he was basically like, yeah,

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, the statistics were really good, but I just

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.359
<v Speaker 3>looked at my swing and I didn't like it, and

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 3>I just knew that I had to change it. And

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 3>I think that that's a fascinating part of like artists

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 3>in some ways. And I think what makes Victor interesting

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.319
<v Speaker 3>to write about is he almost views things like as

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 3>an artist where it's like, yeah, it might be what

0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 3>your standards are, but my standards are more important, and

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 3>so I'm going to do all this crazy stuff to

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 3>meet my own standard. The statistics to me are just

0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 3>not telling of like how I feel when I like

0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:27.280
<v Speaker 3>look over that. You know, he would hit great shots

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 3>and he's just like, yeah, that that's not what my

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 3>eye wants it to see. And you know, there's it's

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:36.720
<v Speaker 3>possible that Victor, I don't know if wrecked his golf DNA,

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 3>but like went away from what actually made him great

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 3>in pursuit of something else. And Tiger was sort of

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 3>a similar way, Like the gulf of between talent between

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Tiger and Victor is pretty vast, but Tiger was like, yeah,

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 3>it didn't look the way I wanted it to look,

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 3>so I changed it. I just went on this pursuit.

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.720
<v Speaker 3>I got worse in order to get better, and Victor

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 3>got worse, thinking like I can get better in the

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.839
<v Speaker 3>long run, and maybe you never come out of it

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:06.840
<v Speaker 3>on the other side better. But that just makes him fascinating.

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 3>He'll always be super fascinating to me. We could be

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 3>talking about him ten years from now and be like, man,

0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:13.839
<v Speaker 3>remember Victor Hoblin. He was a killer, and he was like, Yeah,

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 3>it just doesn't suit my eye. And so I had

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:18.759
<v Speaker 3>to tear it all down and begin again. And that's

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 3>that's a fun part of golf, is that it draws

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 3>in centric weirdos sometimes who need that kind of pursuit.

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>The thing too. Nobody likes the way their golf swing looks, That's.

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 5>True, No one, nobody likes it. Like I guarantee, if

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 5>you got moments of honesty from Scottie Scheffler and he

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.840
<v Speaker 5>showed him, he'd be like, I just I just hate

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 5>how that looks.

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, like when he comes through cirtin position. Like

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I put a video yesterday on Instagram and by swing

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 2>up and I would categorically I got it going. I

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 2>played it, hit the ball as good as I've hit

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 2>it in a long time yesterday and I'm looking at

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:07.880
<v Speaker 2>this swing and I'm like, God, I just hate it,

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.839
<v Speaker 2>but it's the same thing it's always been. I hate it,

0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 2>but there's only like the crazy thing about Victor and

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Tiger and certain people, and you get to the level

0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 2>like it speak is in the same bucket, but like

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you get you're literally one of the three best players

0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:30.399
<v Speaker 2>in the world with that swing, and you can't get

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 2>over how it looks, so you want it to look different.

0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.520
<v Speaker 2>And I think, like what is inevitably happens is like

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>if you're if you're flat, you always envy swings that

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 2>are steep. If you're steep, and in your Tennessee is

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 2>to get across the line, across the line at the

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.799
<v Speaker 2>top of the swing, you always envy those that are

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.600
<v Speaker 2>a little laid off. And it's just like the natural

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>way it works with golf. I'd be curious if Adam,

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 2>I bet, if you talk to Adam Scott and said,

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 2>what do you hate about your golf swing? You'd have

0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:03.960
<v Speaker 2>like a really long, eloquent answer about that.

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:07.440
<v Speaker 4>Might have to track Amscott down and get that on

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 4>the record. All right, what's yours? What's what?

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I already gave him mine?

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh that's right, I'm sorry.

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>We can I think with the kind of time putting

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:21.839
<v Speaker 2>a bow on yours, I think Xander to me and

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.759
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm maybe I'm just this is because what we

0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 2>saw out of him in twenty twenty four. To me,

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I've seen enough really high level performances from him this

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 2>year to feel like where you're like, oh wow, like

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.240
<v Speaker 2>he's like pretty close to putting this all back together.

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 2>To feel bullish about him. I just have, like I think,

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.719
<v Speaker 2>like Fleetwood last year, that was the best golf he's

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>played in his career, and I just don't think he's

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 2>ever been like a truly elite player in golf, like

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.399
<v Speaker 2>in the vein of like, I've never thought of him

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 2>as one of the three or four back players in

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the world, and so I think that's like, that's my

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of two cents on Fleetwood is like he's actually

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 2>just regressed to the mean of what he is, which

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 2>is like a bona fide top fifteen player in the world,

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.719
<v Speaker 2>but not a top five player in the world, and

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 2>that was just a kind of actually a blip on

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the radar last year.

0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that's totally fair if we're doing any kind

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of honorable mention, I think reviewing this year and looking

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 1>through things within the Fleetwood conversation. Somebody that could be

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 1>a top five player in the world. I think we

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 1>at least have to shout out Chris Gottrup, who won

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.399
<v Speaker 1>three times on tour this year, and as you're looking three,

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I bet I kept standings. Chris Goddup's the only player

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.760
<v Speaker 1>under twenty eight in the top ten in the standings

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:51.960
<v Speaker 1>this year. There's a hand I love big. I believe's

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 1>tenth and he's twenty six, But so only person the

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:59.600
<v Speaker 1>top nine set up pretty well I would imagine for

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:03.240
<v Speaker 1>a big, potential breakout season in twenty twenty seven. Breakout's

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 1>probably the wrong word, because this was a breakout season,

0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and even you could probably consider twenty twenty five somewhat

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of a breakout season, winning the Scottish and contending late

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:14.520
<v Speaker 1>in the Open Championship. But I think looking ahead to

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:17.680
<v Speaker 1>as you survey the twenty twenty six season, who sets

0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:21.719
<v Speaker 1>up well for twenty twenty seven, you gotta imagine that

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Chris Goddrup is pretty much at the top of that list.

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Outside of the top top you know, Scottie and maybe

0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Cam Young, maybe Fitzpatrick. I don't think it's crazy to

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:32.800
<v Speaker 1>think that Chris Gottrup's a potential top five player in

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the world, and he's already hit that in the OWGR

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:39.320
<v Speaker 1>but not over a consistent period of time. Three wins

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:42.319
<v Speaker 1>this year made the cutting off four majors. Maybe wasn't

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 1>his best major season it'll ever have, but I think

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 1>you got to be looking ahead. As Chris Goddrup's a

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:49.799
<v Speaker 1>by candidate for the next twenty four months.

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 2>That's a great call out. An honorable mention to someone

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I'd pull up would be, uh, would be Kalam Morikawa.

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I think like he's just a good reminder of like

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:05.160
<v Speaker 2>golf is, as we talked about a lot of these players,

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Golf is an ebs and flows sport where sometimes you're

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.480
<v Speaker 2>just you know, I think, like I always think back

0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 2>to Kyle Mark Howo's quote about like how he was like,

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, I'm just hitting a draw this year

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.680
<v Speaker 2>and where I usually see a fade, and and like

0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that dropped him from a top five player to like

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.839
<v Speaker 2>a the twenty fifth player in the world, and then

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:30.799
<v Speaker 2>the ball started to fade again for you know, like

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 2>if finally worked it out where I could start to

0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.279
<v Speaker 2>hit the fade again, and he ascended back up, and

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:40.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think he had if had I think

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.800
<v Speaker 2>one of those like sliding doors moments of the season

0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:47.400
<v Speaker 2>has had the back injury not happened at the players,

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 2>what would the would the year look like? And he

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 2>put together like such an impressive year despite having this

0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 2>back issue that like really I he he has said

0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:03.000
<v Speaker 2>like I couldn't, I can't really trust going at it,

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:07.279
<v Speaker 2>and he played through the injury and put together like

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 2>a really really good year to me. Calum mori kaala,

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:16.720
<v Speaker 2>just like embodying the ebbs and flows of golf, where

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:20.600
<v Speaker 2>you can have a down eighteen months and you know

0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 2>if you if you stay the course and continue to

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 2>work at like it could just everything could fall right

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:27.800
<v Speaker 2>back into place.

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Who wins the FedEx Cup, guys, Alex Smalley.

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 1>We should mention Scheffler right, like that's a that is

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:42.719
<v Speaker 1>a big story that if he doesn't win any of

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.479
<v Speaker 1>the next three events, he's going to go basically twelve

0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 1>months at least twelve months between wins. That he'll go

0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:51.280
<v Speaker 1>into next year AMX or whatever he starts the season

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:53.919
<v Speaker 1>with with a full twelve months between wins, which would

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 1>be a pretty big year out. Yeah here here that

0:56:58.600 --> 0:56:59.359
<v Speaker 1>doesn't win.

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 4>The Presence Cup, Who's who can say.

0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that he'll win the FedEx Cup, Kevin

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:06.520
<v Speaker 1>or Player of the Year. I don't know that anyone

0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:08.399
<v Speaker 1>puts a ton of stock in that award, at least

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. But I do think Scotty's the you know,

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:15.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the five most important storylines going into He

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:16.920
<v Speaker 1>really does need to win a playoff event, Like it

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.360
<v Speaker 1>would be a pretty big deal to go twelve months

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>between wins for who we all consider the world number one.

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know that I want to pick him

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.960
<v Speaker 1>to win the FedEx Cup playoffs necessarily, he definitely has

0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the best chance, but I mean it's a huge upcoming

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:33.600
<v Speaker 1>three weeks for Scotty.

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess my pick to win. I think, like

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I think we're gonna get it. I'll take got her

0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:44.000
<v Speaker 2>up to win the FedEx Cup. I mean, Xander's the

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 2>best pick because well, yeah, I think if Scotty, if

0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Scotty doesn't win this year, like the reality is that

0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't win, in the next three weeks, he'll probably

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:03.280
<v Speaker 2>rack up like three more top fives. It'll be one

0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 2>of the crazier years in the history of golf in

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:09.920
<v Speaker 2>terms of like the number of close calls without getting

0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:13.640
<v Speaker 2>across the line. I mean, it's just one of those

0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:17.240
<v Speaker 2>things where winning seems so easy, and I think like

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the one of the undertones of this whole conversation that

0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>we didn't say, winning on the PGA Tour is so

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:30.560
<v Speaker 2>freaking hard, you know, And it's like all these all

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.120
<v Speaker 2>all these conversations about down this down that is like

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 2>predicated on you beating one hundred and fifty six guys

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 2>a couple times who are all at the top of

0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 2>the you know, at the top of the sport. Like

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:45.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the hard thing. And with the way they have

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:48.080
<v Speaker 2>it set up with signature events, it's just harder to

0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:51.760
<v Speaker 2>win because you're playing against the top competition more often.

0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go cameon, I think, Yeah, even though the

0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 3>when Hi was not great, I think like over the

0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 3>course of three events, like he he will win one

0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:10.720
<v Speaker 3>of those and at least one of those and it'll

0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 3>probably be the tour championship.

0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:16.080
<v Speaker 4>He's going to track down Xander at the at Xander's Park.

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I like that call. We should also mention Jackson Coyven

0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:22.000
<v Speaker 1>has a huge week coming this week. That's another honorable

0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:24.840
<v Speaker 1>mention story that he has to finish. I think like

0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:27.680
<v Speaker 1>top five essentially to get to the next round, but

0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:30.680
<v Speaker 1>if he wants any chance of making the President's Cup,

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.000
<v Speaker 1>he probably does need to do that, so that at

0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:35.640
<v Speaker 1>least I want want to include him in this episode.

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you, guys, non Coven, who

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 2>obviously won in his third start, Non Coven, who which

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:49.120
<v Speaker 2>young player in pro golf have you been most impressed

0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:49.760
<v Speaker 2>by this year?

0:59:52.160 --> 1:00:08.400
<v Speaker 3>Mile's Russell pro Golf most impressed? Non COAVIDU Uh? I

1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:12.120
<v Speaker 3>mean Michael Brennan. I think is the the right answer.

1:00:13.240 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 3>It's not the sexiest answer since he just won. I

1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 3>don't know, Joseph, you have someone better.

1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean as tempted as I am to because I

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:25.640
<v Speaker 1>loved what I saw from Thorby Weren'tson this year and

1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:27.840
<v Speaker 1>how often he was in contention. I do think the

1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.880
<v Speaker 1>right answer is probably Blades Brown because.

1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 2>That was one of mine.

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 1>He's nineteen, so I think a few years from now

1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.080
<v Speaker 1>we're going to look back and be like, wait a minute,

1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Blades Brown finished third in Puerto Rico, and it was

1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:42.680
<v Speaker 1>in the final group at the AMX, Like, yeah, that

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:45.160
<v Speaker 1>was staring you directly in the face, that Blades Brown

1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:47.440
<v Speaker 1>was going to be a great player. So yeah, maybe

1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.920
<v Speaker 1>not the flashiest season from you know, he's not He's

1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>not making any noise in the FedEx Cup standing It's

1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:57.000
<v Speaker 1>like he's eleventh in the Corn Fairy Tours standings. But

1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you gotta look at Blades Brown's year and say,

1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:02.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, this is somebody who's very likely going to

1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 1>be a top ten to fifteen player in the world

1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.960
<v Speaker 1>at some points he'll still be young three years from now,

1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:09.439
<v Speaker 1>like very young three years from now. Yeah, I think

1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I at least shout out Blades Brown.

1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it's crazy. The Corn Ferry Tour is such

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 2>like a uncovered portion of golf. I'm convinced if Blades

1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:26.960
<v Speaker 2>was playing the way he's playing just in amateur golf,

1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:31.880
<v Speaker 2>in racking up wins, yeah, he'd have more hyph than

1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:34.720
<v Speaker 2>because then he's playing on the PGA Tour and the

1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Corn Fairy Tour split and like playing exceptionally well on

1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour when he plays on the PGA Tour,

1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:47.160
<v Speaker 2>like somehow he has Like it's it's crazy to be that,

1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Like people aren't talking about him more. And I say

1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.360
<v Speaker 2>this as someone who probably hasn't talked about him enough

1:01:53.800 --> 1:01:56.600
<v Speaker 2>over the last year it's been I think like his

1:01:56.680 --> 1:01:59.600
<v Speaker 2>approach to it has been super impressive, Like he knows,

1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:04.520
<v Speaker 2>like I get better status through corn Ferry if I

1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:07.240
<v Speaker 2>if I rank high on corn Ferry, then if I'm

1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:11.320
<v Speaker 2>just like get my points on like special temporary PGA

1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Tour members, so I'm gonna keep playing corn Ferry like

1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 2>so many guys that would have bolted from the corn

1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Ferry Tour as soon as possible. I'm I'm so impressed

1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:26.320
<v Speaker 2>with just how Blade has handled this transition from basically

1:02:26.400 --> 1:02:30.880
<v Speaker 2>junior golf to pro golf to the PGA Tour so quickly,

1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Like he has just gotten up basically as quickly as

1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:37.360
<v Speaker 2>you could without like any real handouts.

1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Point is season up. It's it's even honestly a little

1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:44.560
<v Speaker 1>better than I remembered. It is so consistently solid. Like

1:02:45.240 --> 1:02:49.640
<v Speaker 1>T nine at Myrtle, T fourteen at Byron Nelson, like T.

1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Twelve at John Deere. Those are three successive PGA Tour starts.

1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:55.920
<v Speaker 1>He had Corn Ferry Tour starts in there in the middle,

1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:57.880
<v Speaker 1>but those are also like a lot of T twenties

1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:00.760
<v Speaker 1>in a row. To be playing mat cansistently a good

1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:03.560
<v Speaker 1>golf at close to the highest level. I mean the

1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Myrtle Beach Classics not the strongest field. The John Deer

1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Classics not the strongest field. But he's still doing some

1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:12.240
<v Speaker 1>damage in those events at nineteen when he's twenty one,

1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:14.720
<v Speaker 1>as long as nothing goes seriously wrong, like this is

1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:16.240
<v Speaker 1>a really really good golfer.

1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:20.360
<v Speaker 4>All right, next five years, I give you, I give

1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:20.720
<v Speaker 4>you five.

1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:24.320
<v Speaker 3>I'll give you a choice, Coyven, Russell or Brown over

1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:25.520
<v Speaker 3>the next five years.

1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Coyn. But that's five years is Miles Russell's that's a

1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:32.480
<v Speaker 1>big ask for him when he's going to be that young.

1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking coin.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say, like there's all this Miles

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<v Speaker 2>Russell hype and rightfully so, you know, he became the

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<v Speaker 2>first player to be the medalist of the Junior AM

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<v Speaker 2>and the Western AM. I just want to like two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, Blades Brown was the medalist of the JUNIORAM

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<v Speaker 2>and the USAM like true, like this is I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we were like hyping juniors as much as we

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<v Speaker 2>are now. When Blade's round did it like just two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago? It just but I don't, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a complete crapshoot. I would lean toward Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>Coyven just because we've already seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you said fifteen years, I honestly would

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<v Speaker 1>be inclined to maybe go Miles Russell. But five years,

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<v Speaker 1>I think because you're just getting into the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>Coyven's prime and these other guys when have hit their prime.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's I think it's pretty clearly cool

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<v Speaker 1>they are. I mean, Kevin's who you're taking.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I might take Russell.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just like watching some of that stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>like he just has like a serious knack for scoring

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<v Speaker 3>and just seems to be unfazed by any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>pressure at all. I mean, obviously Coven's just the more

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<v Speaker 3>prominent in our eyes. I having done it, I am excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think we've waited a long time for that

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<v Speaker 3>next generation to emerge, and it clearly seems like the

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<v Speaker 3>three of them have a chance to be really pretty

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<v Speaker 3>darn and so I think sometimes, in having been in

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<v Speaker 3>journalism for a long time, journalists tend to hang on

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<v Speaker 3>to the previous generation of stars for a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>too long without paying enough attention to what's coming. And maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>like us talking about speed for thirty minutes as like

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<v Speaker 3>an example of that, but like, I think the next

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<v Speaker 3>generation of kids is kind of here and it's almost like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>we should really pay attention to what's happening to to

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<v Speaker 3>Blades and to Miles.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, have already kind of given Jackson his his shine.

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<v Speaker 4>In a lot of way, there's equivin has shine.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just feel like it's fun, it's exciting when

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<v Speaker 3>there's a great unknown of like great talent is about

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<v Speaker 3>to emerge'.

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<v Speaker 2>Why people pay more attention to like free agency and

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<v Speaker 2>drafts now than the actual games because of hope and promise.

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<v Speaker 2>My last honorable mention for for most impressive young player

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<v Speaker 2>Ben James. What I like about him He got He's

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<v Speaker 2>made his pro debut at the RBC Canada. I would

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<v Speaker 2>count that he got in the mix on the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>at RBC Canada Travelers Isco. He was in the mix

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<v Speaker 2>at the Rocket and then he was also in the

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<v Speaker 2>mix at the Window this week and like to me,

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<v Speaker 2>he got in the mix and was in contention. He

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<v Speaker 2>had some disasters in there, like some bad weekend rounds

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<v Speaker 2>in there, I want to preface, but just getting in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix is half the battle. I think he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>I would like almost put this as a lock he

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<v Speaker 2>will win a tournament next year, maybe more than one.

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<v Speaker 1>Next year, I think where where the only plays some

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the challenge flag. Andy from all accounts, really struggles

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<v Speaker 1>with the putter. I know his strokes aren't that bad

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<v Speaker 1>so far this year and his professional starts, but we

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<v Speaker 1>have seen, like on the weekends, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday of the window, putt really poorly. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what largely kept him from winning more in college. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you see with a lot of these really

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<v Speaker 1>really good guys who are unbelievable ball strikers, really struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with the putting. A lot of T fours, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of T sixes, and I think you should be bullish

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<v Speaker 1>on Ben James's future, but to actually win. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to compare him to Davis Thompson because he's better

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<v Speaker 1>than Davis Thompson, but that's another guy who like blushes

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. And Cam Young's kind of an example too,

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<v Speaker 1>where it took him a while to win until he

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<v Speaker 1>conquered the putter. I think with Ben James that's just

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<v Speaker 1>something fascinating. You really got to watch his putting because

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<v Speaker 1>if he doesn't fix it or at least get a

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<v Speaker 1>little better, he might struggle to get across the finish line.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, challenge flags down. We'll see what the official

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<v Speaker 2>say next year. This time.

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<v Speaker 1>He could wow.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that does it. Thank you guys for joining.

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