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Speaker 1: Welcome back to dugout edition and all the smoke coming

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Speaker 1: to you from Atlanta, Georgia. MLB All Star twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five men, and we get to sit down with today man.

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Speaker 1: So when I grew up a huge fan of twenty

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Speaker 1: two seasons in the Major League, over twenty five hundred hits,

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Speaker 1: over five hundred home runs, one of the most iconic,

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Speaker 1: often copy, often copied, but never duplicated batting stances. Someone

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Speaker 1: who was very outspoken, definitely want to get into that.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Gary.

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Speaker 3: Sheffield, Thank you man, thanks for having appreciate itiate you.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get right to it. Your batting stance. Where

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Speaker 1: did that very unique, very successful for you. Where did

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Speaker 1: your batting stance come from?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know when we was coming up.

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Speaker 4: You know now the kids get to use wood bats

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Speaker 3: We didn't do that growing up. So we had aluminum

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Speaker 4: And the first day I stepped on a pro field,

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Speaker 4: I picked up a wood bat for the first time,

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Speaker 4: and I was losing home runs. I was so quick

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Speaker 4: on the ball inside, I was hitting balls foul and

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Speaker 4: it was home runs and rookie ball, and I was

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Speaker 4: good and frustrated, and so I got him BP One day,

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Speaker 4: I just started messing with back. You know, you put

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Speaker 4: some stick on on it and start moving it. I said, man,

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Speaker 4: that felt natural, And you know I used to always

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Speaker 4: I started moving moving it a little bit, and then

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna hit ten balls to right field.

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Speaker 4: I hit every one of them out the park. And

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Speaker 4: so that's how it started. So what I had to

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Speaker 4: do is I had to create that to slow my bat.

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Speaker 2: So you picked that up later then, yes, wow, yes,

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Speaker 2: And it was just to slow your back down a

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And then your son has a similar, yes, similar stance

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Speaker 1: of how's he doing.

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Speaker 2: I've been following him on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: How's he doing? He's doing great. Nor is a special

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Speaker 4: kid man. I've always said that about him. He's never

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Speaker 4: gotten in trouble. He's one of them kids. They loved

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Speaker 4: the game so much. And he works at the craft.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's at Florida State.

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Speaker 3: Now right now, he's in summer ball and the mallards down.

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Speaker 2: And you'll be a sophomore sophomore, yeah, yeah, going to

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Speaker 2: the sophomore year. Yeah, I've been following him from Afar.

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Speaker 1: We talk about Alan Iverson when it comes to basketball context,

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Speaker 1: about kind of his impact on and off the court,

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Speaker 1: and his style and the way he moved and kind

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Speaker 1: of just his aura. You had a similar to me

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Speaker 1: impact when it comes to chains and golds and kind

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Speaker 1: of just being authentically being you. One thing about the

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Speaker 1: NBA is after a while they eventually embraced und necessarily.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel like they embraced your style and what

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Speaker 1: you were about when you came with it.

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, you know, the people got to understand where

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Speaker 3: it comes from. You know.

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Speaker 4: Me and John SMOs was on the flight last night

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Speaker 4: and it was on a red eye, and we talked

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Speaker 4: the whole night about just that because he knows me

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Speaker 4: very well with teammates and it's all about, you know,

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Speaker 4: letting people be themselves. And I got it from my

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Speaker 4: uncle was Michael Jordan at the time, doctor k on

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Speaker 4: the pressure of being perfect for the world. And he

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Speaker 4: was speaking based on what Jay Horley or the PR

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Speaker 4: department told him to say this, say it this way, keep.

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Speaker 3: Your image this way. But remember I'm that four year

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Speaker 3: kid behind him, that's look that looks up to him.

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Speaker 3: That's my mom's little brother. And so what I saw it,

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Speaker 3: you know, when I saw what it did to.

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Speaker 4: Him, I didn't want that lifestyle. I didn't want to

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Speaker 3: And I said, I'm not going to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: There's a certain I grew up playing baseball, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's a certain stigma that that baseball coming

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Speaker 1: the lack of black representation in the game and to me,

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Speaker 1: MLB's inability to embrace black players.

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Speaker 2: What is your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's just go back to the beginning.

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Speaker 4: When you talk about Japan, you talk about Dominic and

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Speaker 4: You have to pay a posting fee to even entertain

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Speaker 4: no more Negro League. So now let's start going back

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Speaker 4: to cha. Like, man, that's making me think was that

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Speaker 3: See? Now what we have to go back to?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: You See? So that's the problem with this whole thing.

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Speaker 4: If we had something to go back to, then it

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Speaker 3: And that's where we find ourselves now.

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Speaker 1: So why did Because I mean, I grew up watching you.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty five, but I grew up watching you and

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Speaker 1: when I was coming up, seeing all you guys out

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Speaker 1: you just don't see you see some darker skin, but

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Speaker 1: they're not American players. Why do you feel like there

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Speaker 3: The main point. It's a lot of points to it.

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Speaker 4: But I think a lot of a lot of things

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Speaker 4: travel ball they plucking them. See now, we played, we

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Speaker 4: when you're talking about having a kid over here that

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Speaker 4: he understands to play the game a certain way with

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Speaker 1: Doc one of the greatest pitchers in Major league history?

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Speaker 1: What role did he play in your upbringing?

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Speaker 4: Woof that kind of that kind of gets to me

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Speaker 4: You know, Doc was everything to me. He was like

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Speaker 4: they brought me back to the hood because all my

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Speaker 4: the whole thing. That's what I used. I saw what

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Speaker 4: found this gifting that I had. And I was the

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Speaker 3: And he would pitch and I have to catch and

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Speaker 4: We didn't even wear a mask, and he said, don't

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Speaker 3: And I remember, we're going from neighborhood to neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: If I miss the ball, that ball going down the road,

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Speaker 3: That would make me get up every day.

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Speaker 4: And train with him. And he used to beat me

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Speaker 2: What's the age gap?

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Speaker 3: Four years?

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Speaker 4: And so if I if I didn't catch the ball,

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Speaker 4: he's on me. He's beating me up now, him and

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Speaker 3: And I just took all kinds of hell from him.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was beautiful You wrote a powerful article

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Speaker 1: in the Player's Tribute about running you guys particularly have

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Speaker 1: with some cops in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Sharing that story.

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Speaker 3: I was going to me Winki Wright and buddy of

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Speaker 3: Boxer the Boxer, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And Steve Monroe. He's a long drive guy. I was driving.

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Speaker 4: I was driving my Rose Roys at the time, and

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Speaker 4: Winky was sitting in the passing sheet and Steve was

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Speaker 4: in the back. And we're proceeding down seventy five going

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Speaker 3: Noticing like a lot of cops you know, come around,

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Speaker 4: They have passed me then to ride behind me, stuck

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Speaker 3: I wasn't even worried about it. I was smoking a

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Speaker 3: So then the cop pulled it next to me, and I.

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Speaker 4: Waved at him, and I guess that must have pissed

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Speaker 3: Then he came rushing behind me and I.

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Speaker 4: Pulled over and I'm spoke with my cigar and not

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Speaker 4: and they dumped all that stuff. They asked me, first,

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Speaker 4: but you're gonna do it anyway, right, So they said

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Speaker 4: now he's getting pissed. So he charges me and he

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Speaker 4: grabs my arm. He grabs my arm and I did

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Speaker 4: and I locked it and I said, you better let

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Speaker 4: of like couldn't force me down.

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Speaker 3: That's when he stopped. And then he looked at the

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Speaker 3: other cop and goes.

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Speaker 4: Did you find anything? And they go no, And then

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Speaker 4: he joked me I was free to go. That's just

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Speaker 3: Ooh man, that was probably like right after I retired

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Speaker 3: the game. Yeah, right out the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fresh out the game, just trying to relax, go

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Speaker 3: I'm retired now and this happens. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's no secret that you had experiences, you know, had

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Speaker 1: some trouble off the field.

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Speaker 2: What is that? What did he teach you just about.

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Speaker 1: Not only life in the game of baseball, but just

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Speaker 1: life and being able to take pictures as they come,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was the greatest learner because I

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Speaker 4: all that. My whole life was about Doc making sure

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Speaker 4: he get what he'd want.

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Speaker 4: He was like my brother. Anything I wanted he would

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Speaker 4: From that that part, and so everything that he did,

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Speaker 1: Seventeen years old, the sixth overall pick by the Brewers,

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Speaker 3: Then I go to Miami. So I get on campus.

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Speaker 3: They had sixteen fights. University of Miami had sixteen fights

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Speaker 1: Who were some of the dudes that was playing football

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Speaker 4: And so I I'm the running back and now I'm

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Speaker 4: Back, and all of a sudden, I just saw his cheeks,

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Speaker 2: Hey, the U is different. I could only imagine what

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Speaker 1: Man, So seventeen years old, drafted by the Bruis, you

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it was different.

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Speaker 4: Then the next year I did it again, they sent

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Speaker 3: Right? But you know, Robert Young was like phenomenal man.

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Speaker 4: He was one of the best teammates I ever played with,

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Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about hazing, because there's

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Speaker 3: So that's basically what it happened. You know. It's like,

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Speaker 4: Like what got me is that I had a suit

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Speaker 4: Then the next time, you know, I got a dress

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Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna wear no dress, you know, but

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Speaker 2: What is this the timeframe? Me?

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Speaker 4: And I just always knew the game turned me into

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Speaker 3: I didn't understand anything.

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Speaker 4: I'm a country boy from Tampa trying to find my

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Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah, I loved that bit of it.

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Speaker 1: When did you feel like at what time did you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's when I told them for four years

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Speaker 4: If you're gonna put this boy with Bill Spires in

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Speaker 4: I demand my respect, So I don't. You don't have

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Speaker 3: No trade me? Ye?

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Speaker 1: What's that like though? Because it's it's it's there's not

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Speaker 1: This is real, man, conversation. You can't tweak that ship?

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Speaker 2: What is that like? And how were you able to

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Speaker 3: It was difficult for me. If I'm not welcome or wanted,

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Speaker 3: I can't play for you.

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Speaker 2: Nobody can.

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Speaker 4: I can't do right because I you know, we got

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Speaker 4: I'm just showing up, putting my work in. I'm not

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Speaker 4: everything changed for me when Pops came Day Parker and

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Speaker 4: bring controversy to me, Dave Parker always stepped in and

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Speaker 3: I wound up leading the team in hitting. Then they

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Speaker 4: Parker right after that, and then I started asking for

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Speaker 3: And that's INTE ninety two. That's when they traded me.

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Speaker 4: And I remember it like yesterday when Budd Celik called

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Speaker 3: I ain't even really care to hit nothing else. I

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Speaker 4: And then he said, you know whatever you need, You

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you with this bat. I'm gonna show

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Speaker 4: And so now I come to find out later Tony

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Speaker 3: Really yes, And when Tony Gwen.

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Speaker 4: Is excited, man, that's my biggest flex in baseball of

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Speaker 4: all time.

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Speaker 3: Winning a bating championship on the same team as.

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Speaker 2: Tony Gwenn talk to us about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's really when you broke out when

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Speaker 1: win the batting title. Second in MVP voting behind Barry Bonds,

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Speaker 1: Fred McGriffin.

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Speaker 2: Third third. Who was Arry Penerton?

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Speaker 3: They called me?

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Speaker 4: Atlanta? They called me though and said I won. So

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Speaker 1: Yes, they told you you won, Yes, and you ended

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about that. How did that happen?

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Speaker 3: You're talking about turning builder?

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Speaker 4: After that, I was like, I used to hear all

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Speaker 3: I lost the home run title.

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Speaker 4: I still hit the home run in the last game,

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Speaker 4: but Fred hit two and then Darren Dalton drove in

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Speaker 3: I drove in three. That's how I lost the Triple

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Speaker 4: Game of the seeon last game, so I knew I won,

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Speaker 3: So they tell me that I won the award.

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Speaker 4: So me and my dad would fly down and we're

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Speaker 4: been a change. I see Barry Bonds and his dad

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Speaker 1: So they told you the MVP you go there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Bulls And when that happened, I tell you I kind

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Speaker 4: it's I know, Barry Bonds, you gotta you know, like

447
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,119
Speaker 4: that's like having a Michael Jordan, you got to you gotta.

448
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,159
Speaker 3: Slay the giant.

449
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,399
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, he's putting up phenomenal numbers, but he didn't

450
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 4: put up the numbers I put up with the Batter Championship.

451
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 3: But here's the craziest thing about that year.

452
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 4: I want you to look up how many times that

453
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 4: me and Tony Gwinn came to the plate, and I

454
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 4: will tell you the top of my head, almost twelve

455
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 4: hundred times. Guess how many times we struck out. That's

456
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 4: what you need to find out. Tony Gwin struck out

457
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 4: seventeen times, I struck out thirty five times, combined teammates

458
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 4: with twelve hundred plate appearances.

459
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 3: That'll never be done ever again. Nobody talks about it.

460
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 1: Talk to me about his greatness and what he meant

461
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 1: to you. I mean again, one of the greatest hitters.

462
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it was like when Kobe called

463
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 1: me and recruited me to the Lakers, Like you get

464
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: the guy wanting you on the team, similar to you

465
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: with Tony Gwynn. What did that mean to you and

466
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: what kind of relationship did you?

467
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 2: Guys have freedom.

468
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 4: I have freedom because the first day I got there,

469
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 4: grab it by my shirt, Come with me.

470
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 2: How much old it is? It?

471
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 3: Tony is probably probably six years six years, yeah, six

472
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 3: seven years called me, let's go.

473
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 4: When in the cage we started talking, he said, what's

474
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 4: your philosophy and hitting? Say, Seaball hit ball. He said,

475
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 4: that's what I like to hear. Nobody's in here overthinking

476
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 4: the game. Seaball hit ball, attack fastball. So now he

477
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 4: was showing me a drill that he'll put the He

478
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 4: was on the left side, on his right hip, and

479
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 4: he was showing me how he can get to that

480
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 4: ball right off his right hip, and then he put

481
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 4: it on my head.

482
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it, really, I couldn't do it.

483
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 2: But you have it. Earlier in your you were too

484
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: fast through this earlier.

485
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 4: Yes, and so I was going around it, he was

486
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 4: going through it, and then he was showing me the

487
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 4: technique to that. He said, every time you hitting off

488
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 4: the tee, I want you to visualize the picture's forehead

489
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 4: and draw it right down the line to the tee.

490
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 4: And when I started doing that, my visual got tight.

491
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 4: Now you can't fool me. So now I'm.

492
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 3: Starting to pick up these little traits and these little nuggets.

493
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 4: He'd given me, and like I could just go out

494
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 4: there and just flat hit without even thinking about it.

495
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 4: But once I started understanding what I was doing, like

496
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 4: he was showing me the art to it, the mastery

497
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 4: to it, the dedication to it, Like, yeah, you just

498
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 4: hit two home runs yesterday, but we're back to work again.

499
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: What is his work?

500
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 4: I think like he's probably there before anybody shows up

501
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 4: to the park. He shows up at one point thirty

502
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 4: two o'clock every single day for seven o'clock game and

503
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 4: just get his preparations all set. He got the feel

504
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 4: to hisself he'll go and work in the cage for

505
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 4: and then he got the feel to itself. And I

506
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 4: just watched this man every day, and I said, I

507
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 4: want to be that dedicated to my art. And when

508
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 4: I started working with him, the dedication started coming to me.

509
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 3: Now I start.

510
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 4: Getting more greedier, more hungry. Didn't I didn't gravitate to

511
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 4: lazy people. I didn't gravitate to guys take shortcuts. I

512
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 4: don't want nothing to do with them. We had nothing

513
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 4: coming and.

514
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: Now I'm on a different level on So he's mentally

515
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: unlocking the whole other side.

516
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 4: Of you, another side of me that I didn't know about.

517
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you every day I watched this man hit.

518
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 4: It inspired me to be great. And it did and

519
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 4: that's my biggest flex you know, Bad Championship with Tony.

520
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: Gremate on your team. Rest of peace to the great

521
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: the crime Dog Fred McGriff.

522
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: Talk to me about Fred oh Man.

523
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 4: He was a legend back in Tampa and him and

524
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 4: my uncle used to go at it.

525
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 3: And that's where I discovered Fred.

526
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 4: I was like that little young kid, soaking it all

527
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,479
Speaker 4: up watching these two battle And one thing about Fred,

528
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 4: he didn't back down from nobody. And we had the

529
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,239
Speaker 4: baddest park on the planet beam my height, little It's

530
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: the baddest place on the planet.

531
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: And we had Floyd Yeoman's.

532
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 4: We had top guys, you know, we had a bunch

533
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: of guys to get drafted, but one thing about one

534
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 4: thing about him, it was just like second and none.

535
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 4: And that's why it was like when you look at

536
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 4: the whole toutality of Doc Fred McGriff, that's when it started.

537
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 4: That shows kids like us we can make it too,

538
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 4: because these guys when you see it, and that's what

539
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 4: that's what you got to see it to believe it.

540
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: And that's what they did for us. And they was

541
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 3: approachable and that's.

542
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: The most important three to ninety eight Florida Marlin, did

543
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: you get a chance to go back to your home state?

544
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: Yep?

545
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: You win a ring?

546
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: In ninety seven Moist and slou Edric Richaria, Kevin Brown, manager,

547
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: Jim Leland. What was it like, first and foremost to

548
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: go home and then win it home?

549
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: Man? That was a dream come true.

550
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 4: But at the same time, when I was having mixed

551
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: motions because I didn't want to leave Tony Gwin. I

552
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 4: didn't want to leave him. I thought that he I

553
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 4: wasn't even never thinking about a Hall of Fame. I

554
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't think about none of that stuff. I was just

555
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: thinking about just mastering this game and dominating for a

556
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 4: long time and whatever, whatever the chips is, that's what

557
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: it is. But I cried when I got traded from

558
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 4: San Diego. That's when Fred McGriffin went to Atlanta and

559
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 4: I went to the Marlins because the Warner Brothers didn't

560
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: want to pay and so that was fine, but I

561
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 4: was going home.

562
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: That's what kind of helped.

563
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 4: And when I got there, we was awful, a inaugural team,

564
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: no superstars, but we had Benny san Diego, Benito san Diego.

565
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 4: We had him, but he wasn't he was older. And basically,

566
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: now I got to go back to being patient again,

567
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: not knowing that you're not going to win, but how

568
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: do you motivate yourself to win? So now David and

569
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: Brock he called me upstairs and like, hey, you don't

570
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: winning five years.

571
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: He told you that.

572
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: He told me that, and I didn't believe him. But

573
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm looking at her at the Robbers, I'm like, ain't

574
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: no way we win it in five years. But be patient.

575
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: So what he was trying to get me to do

576
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: and understand is not go off.

577
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 4: In the media because of the frustration of losses and

578
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 4: things like that just lead lead these guys.

579
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: And that's that's what I bought into.

580
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: Were you a natural leader? You led by example, the

581
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: leads by your voice? How what kind of leader were you?

582
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: Basically? I turned into the all kind of leaders all around,

583
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: all around, because whould you credit that to? I credit

584
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: that to Darren Dalton?

585
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 4: Okay, Darren Dalton and Dave Parker, and I kind of

586
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: understood leadership from a different perspective, Like it's one way

587
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 4: to lead, like like Robert yan Quiet go by this business,

588
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 4: you always seeing working, and then you follow. But then

589
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: you got the day Parker's in your face, you know,

590
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: making your laugh. Then when the game gets seer is

591
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 4: boom like that. So now you take a mixture of

592
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: Darren Dalton, you know, and all these guys and mixing together.

593
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: Then you start seeing the responses that you can get

594
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: from your teammate by doing it first. See, I'm not

595
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: going to ask you to do something I don't. And

596
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 4: once you start doing that, people start buying into you.

597
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, so you get a chance to

598
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: win it home? What is that like? Man?

599
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: That was a dream come true. My granddad was living

600
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: at the time.

601
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: Doc's dad and he started it all and It took

602
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: me back to that moment. It's like when it all started,

603
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: Like we all play for championship, but you know how

604
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: difficult that is, and people take it for granted just

605
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: because you're a great player, You're supposed to just automatically

606
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 4: just go out there and win. And it takes a

607
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 4: complete team to win a championship.

608
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: That was like the icing on the cake for my

609
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: career because I got that chip out the way. Now

610
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 3: I can just focus on playing the game the right way,

611
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: leading these guys and then and you know.

612
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: If they keep the roster together, we're gonna win more.

613
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: And that's when I went to Florida. That's when you

614
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 4: talk about going in your bag. I went in my bag,

615
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 4: deep deep, because I knew we was gonna win that year.

616
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: I knew it.

617
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: That's big.

618
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: LA Dodgers didn't make the playoffs. LA fans are a

619
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: little different. How did you stay locked in? I mean

620
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: some of the name Sean Green, hadel Nomo play with

621
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: the current manager Dave Roberts.

622
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: What was your LA experience?

623
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: Like it was wonderful, you know, until it wasn't. You

624
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

625
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: If you look at on the field, I outperformed everybody

626
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: every year. And when I when I actually I didn't

627
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: even ask for the contract. I didn't ask for that.

628
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 4: They offered it to me. They were like, we want

629
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: to give you a lifetime contract. So I asked Herold

630
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: Runnalds and I asked Peter Gammons, should I sign it?

631
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: It was like, if you like being there, yeah, I

632
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: think it'd be a great idea. So I go back

633
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: and I had a meet at my house.

634
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 3: And I used to live in bel.

635
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 4: Air Crest right there, and really nice, yes, really nice,

636
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 4: nice yes. And all of a sudden they come over

637
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 4: to my house, the ownership and everybody, and I'm not

638
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 4: thinking nothing of it. I'm just thinking, this is I'm

639
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: performing this time. I'm early thirties, yes, I'm probably twenty seven.

640
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Okay, so somewhere there. Late twenties, yeah, late twenties.

641
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 4: And next thing you know, you know how when you're

642
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: bawling out, you just locked in, and I'm LA is

643
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: growing on me.

644
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: It's a big city for a country boy, you know.

645
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: So here I am pulled up the numbers and next

646
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: thing you know, they want to offer a contract and

647
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 4: they're sitting in my house and then they say, well,

648
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: what if we don't do it?

649
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: That wasn't even part of the conversation, like why why

650
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: do we get to this point?

651
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: Right then everything blew up from there and I told

652
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 4: him you're gonna have an unhappy Dodger like that, because now.

653
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: You got me thinking this same with my emotions. You

654
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: playing with my emotions. And so I said, okay, no problem.

655
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: I went out still performed. They said you have to

656
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: go out here and you got to start playing defense better.

657
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: I said, okay, I only threw out twenty five runners,

658
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: so now I'm gonna throw them out.

659
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: Now I'm doing I'm showing them I have the whole package.

660
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: They said, we'll come back to the table next year.

661
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: So now I did all of that, come in third

662
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: in MVP again. Scott Boys is my agent at the time.

663
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: Next thing, you know, they said, we're not giving you

664
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: a deal, and that's when all the verbage started happening on.

665
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: Their in first okay, and then.

666
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: That's when I started letting them happen because you ain't

667
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: gonna back me down. And because now.

668
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 4: I had just got married ninety eight, just got married,

669
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: and my wife was so scared, like because you know,

670
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: just your husband and and sixty thousand people getting ready to.

671
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: Boo him on open to day.

672
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: That's tough.

673
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: So she drove me to the park and she had

674
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 4: all Gospel of music going. I said, I looked at it.

675
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: I said, you nervous antent. She's like kind of I said,

676
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: I said, you can't serve God and have feelac I said,

677
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: you can't do that at the same time. And that's

678
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: what kind of I can see that relaxed get in

679
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: the game. Soon as I touched the field, the whole

680
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: place boing me. I love every bit of it.

681
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Right.

682
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: They walked me. Fly ball hit to me, they boo,

683
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 4: I catch it. So next that back, they walked me,

684
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: next that back, they walked me games zip zip zero

685
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: to zero.

686
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: They made They made one mistake.

687
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: They pitched me in the eighth inning, and when I

688
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: came up, boom, dead center. You should have saw this

689
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: place erupt. And I come back to the dugout. Now

690
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: this is right way, this is my sweet spot. So

691
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: now I'm running around the basis like I'm just thinking

692
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: about the things i'thing to do.

693
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: You know.

694
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: What I'm gonna do, right, But it just something came

695
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: over me. When I got the homeplate. I wasn't gonna

696
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: I wasn't focused on them per se.

697
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: No more.

698
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: I just knew where it was coming from. And I

699
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: just did this here and I just did that. And

700
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: when I went and went in there, you know, it's

701
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 4: a long run to the dugout. So I run my

702
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: team out there, modeled me. They're all excited. I sit down.

703
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: The crowd is still going crazy. They won't stop standing.

704
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: So now.

705
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: All my teammates go out there. I say, Nope, not

706
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: doing it. They were like, man, please go out there,

707
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: Please go out there. Everybody putting it on around man,

708
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: just go get the curtain cars.

709
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: Nope, I ain't doing it. I say, they messing with

710
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: a dog.

711
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: Come on.

712
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: Now, I say, they messing with a dog. Keep the

713
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: same energy. Come on.

714
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, one of my teammates

715
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: that I respect a lot came to me and said, Gary,

716
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: just please do it for me. And I said, you

717
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: know what I do it for.

718
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: You can you share it? And I got up, you

719
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: don't have to, Hey, yeah, okay, don't do it.

720
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah he got you up, though.

721
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah he got me up because see that was a

722
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: lot for me to do.

723
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: Okay, because you can't come at me and boo me,

724
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 4: and then I'm gonna just let it go that easy.

725
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: I keep the same energy for life except for life.

726
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: Yes, And so now that got me to move And

727
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: that's what I learned something by myself too. You know,

728
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 4: I can let stuff go because before I couldn't, Like

729
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: if I got an altercation with you.

730
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna do this every day, every time I see it,

731
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: every time I see your own sight.

732
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, because obviously I think you get

733
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: painted in a bad picture.

734
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: And you played in a time where.

735
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: You didn't that's you had a voice, but it wasn't

736
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't a social media era, so you just kind

737
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: of had to take the bullshit that that's not true,

738
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: but you.

739
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: Don't have a plan. Like how frustrating was that for

740
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: you at times?

741
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: You know, like as we get older, we speak a

742
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: little better. That's what I always say. You know, I'm

743
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: a very country you know, and I speak with country grammar.

744
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: And so when you speak and somebody that.

745
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: Don't understand your culture where you're from, they'll take what

746
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: you said and write what they thought they heard. You

747
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, And now, all of a sudden

748
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: you're having to explain I didn't say that. And now

749
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: social media now would have benefited me because we could

750
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: clarify everything.

751
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: I could talk right to you, right, this is what

752
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: I say.

753
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: This is exactly what I said. So now here I

754
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: am having to clean up what somebody say I said.

755
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: So I got I finally got to a point where

756
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I'm gonna stop cleaning it up.

757
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna own it now.

758
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna be what you expected me to be,

759
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: which that's immature as well. And so these are all

760
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: the things I'm learning along the way about myself. Do

761
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 4: I want to engage in this foolishness and stay on

762
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: this childish stuff, or do I want to be I'm

763
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: a married man now you know, act like it.

764
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: It's easier said than done, though, especially in the moment,

765
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: especially at the age you were at too, because it's

766
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: just like, man, you don't fuck me.

767
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: Fuck y'all right, because I'm good at what I do

768
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: and you're.

769
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: On my lawn messing with me.

770
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: Right.

771
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: You know, I'm telling you in spring training, I'm gonna

772
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: be the best player on the field ninety times in

773
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 4: the time, I'm gonna be the best player on the field.

774
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: And that's just how it goes, and that's how I

775
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: look at it. And if I don't have that belief,

776
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: you know, I tell my kids the same thing. If

777
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: you don't believe in yourself like that, it's not gonna happen.

778
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: It's believe in you.

779
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Atlanta Braves, loaded teams. Yeah, Maddocks, Glavin, Smolts. We

780
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: just had dj right before you came in. He said

781
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: he felt that Smolts was the best out of those three.

782
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: Yep, you agree, hands down, really hands down.

783
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: And that's where the Atlanta Braids went wrong by not

784
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: putting the ball in his hand and the most supporting

785
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: parts of the game, like the like the the just

786
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: Sidon game, the big games, the big game, because he

787
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: had overpowering stuff. Greg matters and Glavin was perfect for

788
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: the long haul, the long season. Remember Smokes, she used

789
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: to go out of the bullpen and he's a start.

790
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: So he got injured more because he had to do

791
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: all those things.

792
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: But for stuff. And the person that you didn't want

793
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: to see was him.

794
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: Playing with Chipper and the young Andrew Jones. What was

795
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: that like?

796
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: That? That was awesome? Man.

797
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: That was one of those things where I thought that

798
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna win a bunch of championships here. But once

799
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 4: again I get there and then all of a sudden,

800
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: they said they didn't want to pay me. Now, remember

801
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: I told you I got gears I can go to.

802
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: But once you decide that you ain't gonna take care

803
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: of me, well then I'm gonna just here to do

804
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to do and keep it moving.

805
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: And that's what I did.

806
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: Yankees four to six jeter A.

807
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: Rod Mariano a part of an unfortunate four collapse. First

808
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: and foremost, what was it like playing for the Yankees?

809
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: And then take me to the LCS.

810
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: When I got there, I had a perception of the

811
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: Yankees that this is this is easy money. Well, look

812
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: at all these guys on this team, and you add

813
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: me to it, it's automatic. And when I started seeing

814
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: the politics and part of it the other side, that's

815
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 4: when I said, Okay, I got it.

816
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: Because I'm an observer. I'm the only child. I noticed

817
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: every and I pay attention.

818
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: And when I got there, I saw the dysfunction right away,

819
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 4: and it came from you know, I guess A Rod

820
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: had made a statement about GEDA a long time ago,

821
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: and you can feel the tension. I mean every single

822
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 4: day you can feel it, so even to the point

823
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 4: where they had to make them go, like to have

824
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 4: a lunch and try to make it like they was cool.

825
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: But as teammates, we knew something was off. And I

826
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: was just like, man, we got to fix this, you know,

827
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: like the relationship. And I was thinking, why would they

828
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: have a bad relationship based on what he said? But

829
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 4: I could see what you know, it made geta upset.

830
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: And now we're walking in that as a team and

831
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: we're struggling. And when we got a rod, they had

832
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 4: me hitting fifth. That ain't my natural position I should be.

833
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: I should be hitting third because I don't strike out.

834
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: And now Joe Torrey didn't talk to me for two

835
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 4: months when I first got there because he wanted Gladimir Guerrero,

836
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: which was five years younger, which I understood that, but

837
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: I also told him, you ain't gonna know the difference

838
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 4: in the numbers.

839
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: You know, you can. I don't care how old you

840
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: how old I am, but I'm.

841
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 4: Just telling you because that's when the reporters started attacking me,

842
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 4: you know, in spring.

843
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: Training, because I had made a statement.

844
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 4: You can write down three hundred thirty and one hundred

845
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: and one hundred walks.

846
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: You can write it down now.

847
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: So when I made that statement, you know, the New

848
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 4: York media try to act some of some of the

849
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 4: guys try to act tough, and they didn't like the

850
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: fact that I told him what I was going to

851
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: do and I went out and did it.

852
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: That's it is the lies, the art of hitting. Yeah,

853
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: you still feel like you get hit up fast for all

854
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: to day, hundred miles an hour.

855
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay, Now, i'mna be honest with you

856
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: enough see very very sid It's like riding the bike.

857
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: Verry ain't gonna hit nothing. He ain't gonna yet nothing.

858
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: That's my dog, he called me on the way over here. Yeah,

859
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: he tad you guys appreciate No, he ain't gonna hit

860
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: nothing nothing.

861
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you break down he I mean, he gave

862
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: us a unique breakdown of when he steps in the box,

863
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: what he's looking for.

864
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: Can you give it when you're in the box.

865
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: Well, it's a technique that I came up with, you know,

866
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: with Tony Gwynn and kind of like developing something bigger

867
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: for me.

868
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: And it's the basically, if I if I focus on

869
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: your head.

870
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 4: I don't I don't worry about your decept deceptive pitching style.

871
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 4: So if I keep my head focused on that tunnel

872
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: and I draw a straight line to home plate, that's

873
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 4: my tunnel vision, and I put you in that box,

874
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 4: and that's what And so I could easily define if

875
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: the ball is in or wait, because I'm looking right

876
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: down in the middle. But my direction of hitting is

877
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: right center. So all my alignments in place now with

878
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 4: the different arm angles, and I focused on your forehead.

879
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: Now that strikes on the smaller for me. And then

880
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: that's what I used to hit down the tunnel.

881
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 3: And what happens in that as well, ninety.

882
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 4: Eight becomes ninety three, it slows down that way, one

883
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 4: hundred becomes ninety five.

884
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it slows down.

885
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: The smartest pitch you ever faced.

886
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: Greg Maddocks, that's what out of question is a genius.

887
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: And because the thing is Greg used to play these

888
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: games with you, like he tried to speed you up,

889
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: to slow you down, to speed you up.

890
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: No.

891
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: See, when you understand hitting, you never letting somebody slow

892
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: you down. You stay sped up so you're not late. Okay,

893
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna let certain balls get deeper, but everything

894
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 4: else but lower half is the same. So Greg Matters

895
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: like to throw a back door like Pedro Martinez. They'd

896
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: like to throw that back door sinker to get you

897
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: leaking out over the plate so they can bust you inside.

898
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: I never took the bait on that. I was like

899
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: one of those guys where I'm not even worried about

900
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: it inside.

901
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: I dare you to come in here.

902
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: You see, I want to react to what you're doing

903
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: inside here, opposed to me anticipating that, because if I

904
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: anticipate in I'm going to like, I told you, I'm

905
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 4: too quick, and I've hit balls foul.

906
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: I don't even know how I do that, you know

907
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, yeah, when I when I hit it,

908
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, and then i look over the dugout and

909
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: out the stadium, I'm like, I don't even know how

910
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 3: I did that.

911
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: So that's why I have to always let the ball

912
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 4: back up and get deep on me, because I have

913
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 4: to trust my hands and everything works and operate after that.

914
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: I love it. Take a look at this clip.

915
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: Pedro says, all right, I'm in the pitch right away,

916
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 5: and Chefel's like, well, time time time timetime. I wasn't

917
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: fully ready Pedro knew that, or he's just messing with Pedro.

918
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: They're messing with each other. So pitch hasn't been thrown.

919
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: Sheffield wags his batwags his batwags his bat. First pitch,

920
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a breaking ball on the outside, doesn't

921
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 5: get the strike, brings a little in, gets the strike,

922
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 5: goes back outside, doesn't get the chase, and then he's

923
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 5: gonna throw another one outside hot shot. Foul ball almost

924
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: hits Luis Soho who skips over it. It's crowd over there.

925
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 5: He has a big laugh, chain smiling, having fun. O

926
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 5: little shimmy, and then we go back where Sheffield wags

927
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 5: the best timetimetime. A late time call in Pedro's delivery

928
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: again and Pedro's like, fuck that, this is a first inning.

929
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 5: He says, screw that curveball, no whatever that is, No

930
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 5: outside fastball, no change up, no inside fastball, yes please,

931
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 5: and then rears back and it hits him. Oh yeah,

932
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: he says, don't be doing that to me, Not to me.

933
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 5: You don't want to do that. Ah, I don't care

934
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: if I was messing with you. I'm telling you you

935
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 5: don't want to do that to me. I'm telling you, dog,

936
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: you don't want to do that to me. Even though

937
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 5: I was messing with you, you don't want to do it

938
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: to me. Here's both of them what Pedro was doing

939
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: while Sheffield was talking to him, just blankly staring at him.

940
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: I don't give a fucked.

941
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 5: I'm tiny, but on his mound, I am huge.

942
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: He never hit him again. So that's something, you know.

943
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: When I see that, I remember it so well.

944
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: Bernie Williams put me up to that, and Bernie Williams said,

945
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: you want to piss Pedro off?

946
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: I said, I would love to piss him off, because

947
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 3: you know, at the time I didn't like him as

948
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: a player, but as I got to know him, you

949
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: know he's a great guy.

950
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 4: But when we're competing, he's one of them guys you

951
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: love to be on his team, but you hate him

952
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 4: on the other side. And so that's how Erro played.

953
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: We didn't fragnize a lot. And so Bernie said, if

954
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: you want to piss him off, just step out the box.

955
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 4: I say, I'm as a matter of fact, I'm gonna

956
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 4: do it two or three times.

957
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: That's what I had in my.

958
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 4: Head, right, So I said, now, if he hit me,

959
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go up there and I'm gonna drop him

960
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: on his shoulder. And that's what I was thinking. And

961
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 4: I stepped out the box the first time. I knew

962
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: it pissed him off. And I knew when he threw

963
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: that first curveball, I said, he gonna hit me. I said,

964
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna do it again, stepped out again. He

965
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: throws another curveball, and it was already set up to

966
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: where Ryan. Anybody knows about baseball, and when somebody trying

967
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 4: to hit you, they know they're gonna throw a breaking

968
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 4: ball away first, and then they do it again to

969
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: set you up the dull drilliard like he did. But

970
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 4: when I was going to first base, I was saying

971
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 4: to myself, Pedro knows how I out here on the field.

972
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: If he make any gesture his lips moved, or his

973
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: eyes move or anything, move and say anything, I'm coming

974
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 4: like a raging ball. And as you notice, he just stared,

975
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 4: because you see he's everybody interviewed this before, because I

976
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: tell him, you don't get to hit me for free.

977
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 4: And if I look at you and stare at you,

978
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: if you even indicate.

979
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: Something I'm coming on. And that's how this when I

980
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: charge it when I don't.

981
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: How many times did you charge in your care? A lot,

982
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: A lot, a lot?

983
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, if you want to be bad, okay, well.

984
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: I'm see how bad.

985
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 3: Let's see.

986
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: Let's see how And you.

987
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: Know, I'm not trying to be a tough guy. I

988
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 3: just play the game the way I play the game,

989
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: and I don't anything get in the ways. Just problem.

990
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: And so when he did that, as you can see,

991
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 3: he didn't.

992
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: He didn't.

993
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: He didn't want nothing, he didn't want no problems.

994
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: The ped era you played through that Thoughts on just

995
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: the era and where baseball was at that time.

996
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: Well, everybody say maguire and Sammy Sosi say the game.

997
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: I don't think they say the game, you know. I mean,

998
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: that was a wonderful thing that they did, But the

999
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: game was going to be fine. Baseball is always going

1000
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: to be fine. It's like you go through ups and downs,

1001
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: do strikes and things like that, and then you have

1002
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: people pissed off at the game, but the game will

1003
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: eventually come back. But that was a great segment. Way

1004
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: to say they saved the game, which if that's what

1005
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: you want to call it.

1006
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: But during that era, you had to be a dog.

1007
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 3: You had to be a dog every day.

1008
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: And this is why Jim Leland was so important to me,

1009
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 4: because he's the first manager that ever acts for something

1010
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 4: from me for the team. I need you to be

1011
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: the best player against their best player everybody we play.

1012
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: And I said, wow, I ain't never had nobody ask

1013
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: me that, But.

1014
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 4: That was a good challenge for me. Now it had

1015
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 4: my focus. Now I got my undivided attention. So if

1016
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: I see a Barry Bonds coming town, I got to.

1017
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: Be better than Barry play. And I know most people say,

1018
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: how is that possible?

1019
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 4: Well, go look at our series and matchups, Go look

1020
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: at them here at the head.

1021
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: I love that.

1022
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: You know, we're definitely gonna look a look at.

1023
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: All the great matchup and they pictured their aces and whatever. Hey,

1024
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: that's all I'm saying.

1025
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: Today's game. You feel this water down? What do you

1026
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: feel is missing?

1027
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: Well, I say.

1028
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: The game has gone in a different direction because of sabermetrics.

1029
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: I talked to John Smokes for a long time and

1030
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 4: he educated me on a lot of things that I

1031
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: knew but I didn't know. Now he has the insight

1032
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: of it because he's doing the interviews with the players.

1033
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 4: It's not the player's fault. They're acts to swing at

1034
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: a certain count and get off their A swing because

1035
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 4: their computer says that ninety eight percent of the time,

1036
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 4: this guy is going to do this doing this count,

1037
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, if they do something different,

1038
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 4: you look like a fool and you swinging and missing.

1039
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 3: So they're telling these kids win the.

1040
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 4: Swing to get their A swing off, and that's why

1041
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: the strikes up because they're not thinking for themselves. If

1042
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: I want to make an adjustment and just try to

1043
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: make contact, nobody's doing that. That's why pictures don't have

1044
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: problems with guys being on second and third less than

1045
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 4: on one out or two outs, and they get out

1046
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: of it.

1047
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: They get out of it unscathed. Strikeout, strikeouts st.

1048
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: How many analytics are in the game instead of just

1049
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: the old school.

1050
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: I don't think I would use the word too many.

1051
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: I think that you need to incorporate old balance and

1052
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: balance it. You know, when you look at baseball now,

1053
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 4: the veteran player that should be making five to ten

1054
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: million dollars is still sticking around and performing and.

1055
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: Teaching these young guys certain things. He's gone.

1056
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: So now you see the hitting has come way down

1057
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 4: and pitching is up. But with the with the up,

1058
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: with the picture, a lot of arm problems, it's not sustainable.

1059
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: So I just think they need to take sab of

1060
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: machic balance old school with it to create magic.

1061
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's in the NBA, same

1062
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: thing that analytics have. You lay up to threes mid range.

1063
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: So who wants to watch that?

1064
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if this young generation like

1065
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: that style or not, but I know for me, I

1066
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: want to see something going on.

1067
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: I want to see a triple. I want to see

1068
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: a guy bunt. And that's why I.

1069
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: Say, how to neutralize this velocity, You got to bring

1070
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: back old school way of playing the game. And I

1071
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 4: guarantee you they'll neutralize that blossom because if you bring

1072
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 4: in athletes and speed guy's bunt, make that guy that's

1073
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 4: throwing a hundred have to feel this position, they can't

1074
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: do it. So now when you keep that kind of

1075
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: pressure on them, I'll wipe this the way they play now,

1076
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: I'll put a team together and wipe the floor with it.

1077
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, five hundred home runs over twenty five hundred hits,

1078
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: not in the Hall of Fame. Right, how much does

1079
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: that hurt? Does a body? At this point you say

1080
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: fuck it? It would like where's your mind that your

1081
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: numbers meet, your numbers meet the criteria, but you're not there.

1082
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 4: Well, I understand why they did this, because they've been

1083
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 4: trying to get me for twenty two years and they couldn't.

1084
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: And this is why I always tell people about me.

1085
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 4: If you dislike so much what I used to say

1086
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: and the things I used to do, then how did

1087
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: that make it twenty two years? Because see, I'm not

1088
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: what you're saying. I am be See you want the

1089
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: public to believe that, but you ain't never heard one

1090
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: teammate ever say anything about me as a player and

1091
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 4: as a person because one thing about me I told

1092
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: you about different kind of leadership roles you have to

1093
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 4: learn and that over time you get better at it.

1094
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: Like the most racist player that's on my team.

1095
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: Me and him will get along perfect because I forced

1096
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 4: him to talk. I forced him to be real with me,

1097
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 4: because I'm gonna be real with you. So I tell

1098
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: you the things that you can't do around me. You

1099
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: can't use racist jokes, you can't like certain things. I

1100
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: let you know up front, don't cross that line with

1101
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: me because you problem.

1102
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a problem. So now we become best friends.

1103
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: Now the locker room is better from that, and that's

1104
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: called leadership, and.

1105
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: That's what that's what it's all about.

1106
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 4: And so like our generation and our era, all of

1107
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 4: this stuff was predicated on this. Everybody talk about this

1108
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 4: era and try to use it as a steroid error,

1109
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: but it wasn't.

1110
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: Everybody's doing it.

1111
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: It's so much more than that.

1112
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: It's so much more than that.

1113
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 4: And so that's why I say, when it comes to

1114
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: me in the Hall of Fame and all that, I

1115
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: know where it's predicated on, and I know it's all about.

1116
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: This is their shot to get back at me.

1117
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds, you guys used to train together. What was

1118
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: that like? What'd you learn from him?

1119
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: Well?

1120
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: I had just got married, like I told you, and

1121
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: I made la with my home for the off season,

1122
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: so I didn't have no training partners in my routine.

1123
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: Got compromised because I'm not going back to Florida. So

1124
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 4: Scott Boyd suggested I go work out with Barry Bonds

1125
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: up north, up in San Francisco.

1126
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: And actually Barry wasn't even there when I got there

1127
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: because he was in Aspen skiing.

1128
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: And when I first got there, I discovered I had

1129
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 4: to have surgery on both of my legs. I didn't

1130
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: know it was wrong. I had cysts in the back

1131
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: of my legs and doctor team behind your knees, behind

1132
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 4: my knees, and doctor tem he performed the surgery. So

1133
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 4: when Barry showed up, I was in two casts, like

1134
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 4: in both legs and so but they was They said

1135
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 4: in about three four weeks, I'll be fine, and so

1136
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 4: I go in the gym. But when I got the

1137
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: cast off, I asked Barry, I said, how do you

1138
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 4: come back from knee injuries?

1139
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: Because I know you had knee injuries. He said, you

1140
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: got to start training right away. So I was like, okay.

1141
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 4: So I went in the gym and I did some

1142
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: squats and I was doing squats and then all of a.

1143
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 3: Sudden, my stitches burst over.

1144
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it burst open, and then all of a sudden

1145
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 4: that the trainers kept putting this this cream stuff on it,

1146
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: and they just kept rubbing down and then they taped

1147
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: it up.

1148
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: And I went to the doctor and I went and

1149
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: got stitches foot back in and then after that, all

1150
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I start training with Barry.

1151
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: And then Barry started, you know, like leaving me in

1152
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: the morning, you know, because this is all part of

1153
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 4: his game of making me, you know, get up early

1154
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: and mentally tough and all this type of stuff. So

1155
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: I was going through that and then I was like,

1156
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not with this, and I left. And

1157
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 4: next thing, you know, I get a call that I

1158
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: got to testify, you know, against Barry Bonds, and I'm like, whoa,

1159
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: So now I lowy up. I go down there and testify.

1160
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: I was on the stand for probably three questions.

1161
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: That was it. And so now all of this stuff

1162
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: comes back full circle.

1163
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: And when I look at this stuff, that decision of

1164
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: going to work out with him may have cost me

1165
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: more than I thought.

1166
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: What was the creamers putting on you?

1167
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, but

1168
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: but the thing is that when you're in a gym,

1169
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 4: what could they possibly be.

1170
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: Putting on you?

1171
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: You know, So they put it on there.

1172
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: I went back to the doctor, got stitches, and then

1173
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: the rest is history. Now they got testing in place,

1174
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: So now everybody want to see what you made of

1175
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: Now nothing change my number is still the same.

1176
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: Still staying.

1177
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, Sauff quick hitters.

1178
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: First thing to come to mind, best singular pitch you

1179
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: saw is a batter who's cutter, splitter, curve fastball.

1180
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: Darryl Kyle, Remember him, I do remember him.

1181
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: This guy had one of the tightest breaking balls you

1182
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 4: want to see. And I mean it's like a break

1183
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: three times. You know, it goes up, then it go

1184
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: at your head, then it goes left, And that's how

1185
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 4: I felt. But so that guy, I used to have

1186
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 4: to try to set him up to just to throw

1187
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 4: that pitch because I knew he was but I just

1188
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: ain't no win when.

1189
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: It was coming.

1190
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 3: So that's the only player out of all the guys

1191
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: I faced that I sit on breaking ball.

1192
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: Craziest clubhouse story you could share? DJ told us one

1193
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: about women fighting in the family room. Someone's girl, And

1194
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: you got any clubhouse stories you could share with us?

1195
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.

1196
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 4: Here he'll be mad I shared this, But I think

1197
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 4: a couple of guys that shared this story about Greg

1198
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 4: Maddocks and Greg Maddens has this thing where he likes

1199
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: get in the shower and then all of a sudden,

1200
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 4: you know how guys be washing their hair and he

1201
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 4: just keep pointing, like, why.

1202
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: Is not coming out because your eyes closed? But he

1203
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: used to take it farther. He liked the pee on

1204
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: your feet.

1205
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I gave him a look that if you

1206
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 4: do it, I'm gonna kid. I don't play like that.

1207
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 4: So he used to do those type of things.

1208
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: And you know, like some guys will go take a

1209
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: number two and about this long and they're leaving in

1210
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: the toilet. It's all kinds of crazy. We got some

1211
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 3: food for real, all kinds of stuff.

1212
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: Worst ballpark you ever played him?

1213
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: Worst ball park County Stadium, Milwaukee, Milwaukee.

1214
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 4: I was playing shortstop there and it was so cold,

1215
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 4: and we were playing Toronto Blue Jays and uh, I

1216
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 4: think it was Jesse Barfield was hitting and I look

1217
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 4: up and I could see cars passing by the freeway.

1218
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 4: So now, because I'm distracted because it's so cold, and

1219
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 4: then it's like little flakes on the ground like snow here,

1220
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 4: the ball to me as short and all I did

1221
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 4: is watch the line.

1222
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: Ball just came to me.

1223
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 4: And when I tell you one of the worst stadiums,

1224
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 4: this is Milwaukee, and it's outdoors and it's freezing and

1225
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 4: then underneath piss confessed cages and we're talking about big

1226
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 4: leads and that's what we that's what I started up in.

1227
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, so thankfully it only got better.

1228
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a new one now, so it's a

1229
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: lot better.

1230
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben's clearing brawl. Who are three former teammates you're

1231
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: taking with you?

1232
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 4: Rob dere I ain't heard that, Rob, Glenn Braggs Yeah,

1233
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 4: and Don Baylor Baylor, those three right there, undefeated, Those

1234
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: three undefeated right there?

1235
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: Current best player in Major League Baseball?

1236
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 4: You feel normally I will shave Mike Trout, but he's

1237
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 4: having a rough time of late.

1238
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: The best player now is Otani.

1239
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: Did you ever think you would see someone like him

1240
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: in the major leagues?

1241
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny about that? I think I

1242
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: thought I was gonna see it a long time ago, because.

1243
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 4: That's what we did everyone, and it just that once

1244
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 4: you got there specialized, then they started making you do

1245
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 4: this or that.

1246
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: Now, tell your story.

1247
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 4: When I got drafted on my Bubblecombe card, it says

1248
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: pitcher shortstop, So I went to the bullpen and the

1249
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 4: hell of the montana when the game getting ready to start,

1250
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: and I had a pitching toe on them and my

1251
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 4: uncle's pitching glove, and they was yelling down there because

1252
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: I just flew in. Remember I told you I got

1253
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 4: the minor leagues late. So I get down there, I'm

1254
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 4: thinking I'm doing both. So I said, well, since I'm

1255
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 4: a little late, I probably just pitched today. But they

1256
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 4: was like, you're not a pitcher, You're a shortstop. And

1257
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 4: I said, oh, because I didn't. I didn't run bases.

1258
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: I ain't do none of that in high school because

1259
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 4: I either hit a home run or they'll walk me in.

1260
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 4: They'll just pitch running for me because I had to pitch.

1261
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: So it was like I didn't know what I was.

1262
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: But when you look at Otani, what separates him, I

1263
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 4: think from anybody that would ever tried to do this

1264
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: is the velocity he throws. He throws un and he's

1265
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: that good as with the bat. So now I knew

1266
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: I couldn't match the bat. But we're talking about the pitching.

1267
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 4: That's different.

1268
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 3: Level.

1269
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: S wanted bat in your career. It's a lot of

1270
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: them that stood out your favorite and bat.

1271
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh wow. The one that stood out was.

1272
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 4: Us getting to the World Series with playing the San

1273
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 4: Francisco Giants, and it goes back to the goat when

1274
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 4: you're talking about Bear Bonds out there as the goat.

1275
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: You got to get past this man. And he's having

1276
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: a decent series.

1277
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: And I come up in the eighth in and I

1278
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 4: think and they had a closer in Hernandez, And if

1279
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 4: I don't come through here, we're gonna lose because Barry's

1280
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: Barry's gonna make sure.

1281
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: That, you know.

1282
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 4: And I hit this ball up a tank to put

1283
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 4: us ahead by two. Now Barry is coming up, so

1284
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: we don't we're not fearing him as much because we

1285
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 4: are two run league and we win that game. That

1286
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 4: was like my highlight of my career because it's like

1287
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 4: we stopped the Goat from getting to the World Series.

1288
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: And that was the only mission, you know, So Barry's

1289
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: your goat.

1290
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: He used to go one guess you would like to

1291
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: see on all the smoke.

1292
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: One guess, baseball player, it's wide open. You're our fifth.

1293
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 3: Let me see has jazz chils have been on here?

1294
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's my son.

1295
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: That's what'su. You might need to put that call in

1296
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: for us in OG. Yeah, for sure.

1297
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: Well, Gary man, we appreciate you again, huge fan of

1298
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: you growing.

1299
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: Up and to honored to be able to say down

1300
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 2: and talk to you today.

1301
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: Man.

1302
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: Continued success and and luck and that's the luck to

1303
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: your son.

1304
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: Appreciate you.

1305
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a rap, Gary Sheffield And you can catch

1306
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: this on all the Smoke Progressions YouTube and the Draft

1307
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Kings Network.

1308
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week.

1309
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: H m hm hmm