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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let go. Are you

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Speaker 1: ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Monday, December twenty first, twenty twenty, season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number eighty four. Welcome the latest edition of The Break,

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Speaker 1: presented by Geico. It's Christmas week and we've got all

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Speaker 1: kinds of Christmas goodies for you guys. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys, and we're talking about the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: coming off. They're back the first back to back when

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Speaker 1: of the season. Cowboys get the victory over the same

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Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine or forty one to thirty three. They

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Speaker 1: are firmly in place to still be in the hunt

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Speaker 1: for an NFC East championship, firmly and and maybe and

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Speaker 1: maybe the playoffs and who knows, maybe the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: who knows, who knows where this thing is gonna go.

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Speaker 1: I'm just excited. It's Christmas week, so we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some fun ony five. That's where it went there. One

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Speaker 1: percent chance went to five percent, and I was just

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Speaker 1: trying to hype it up a little bit, just because

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Speaker 1: it's just got my guys here, got Nick got Dave

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Speaker 1: got Amber. Welcome to the show. Let's talk about cowboys

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Speaker 1: versus forty nine ers. Nick. I want to start first

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Speaker 1: with you, and because you you obviously have access that

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Speaker 1: would think they would be. In back to back when

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Speaker 1: somebody was definitely excited after the game, they were excited.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on, don't know what

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Speaker 1: kind of presentation. It might have been something for LP, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I really don't know, but there were some It was

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was exciting. Yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but just coming out talking to them, they were they

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Speaker 1: and to have two wins in a row, and to

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Speaker 1: win in a game like this. It was a tough game,

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Speaker 1: and both teams are, you know, losing a lot of players.

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Speaker 1: I think it was just a relief of like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know this, it feels good to win stacks and

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Speaker 1: wins together like this, and and and they're still playing

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Speaker 1: for something. That's the thing. They're still in. This doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what the percentage is next week's game. They think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna matter. It may not matter when they kickoff,

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Speaker 1: but it matters right now at this moment. It does

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Speaker 1: amber give me your big picture storyline of what you

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Speaker 1: take coming out of this game. Big picture, Um, you

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Speaker 1: guys kind of started right at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: show playoffs. And I mean, I don't mean to jump

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Speaker 1: this game, the Cowboys goat me. They grabbed me back

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Speaker 1: by my pinkie. You know how little kids grab me

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Speaker 1: by the pinky. That's how the Cowboys got me. Right now,

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Speaker 1: they're pulling me by my pinkie. So I see a

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Speaker 1: Apparently they think that this type of momentum that the

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Speaker 1: there's anything can happen, Anything can happen, And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's just I guess this game made me more excited

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Speaker 1: guess my little storyline of the game, all right, Dave,

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Speaker 1: just storyline of the game. Uh, my storyline for the

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Speaker 1: whole thing is just that, I mean, do the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but all kinds of

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Speaker 1: Sure we all have people in our lives that ask us,

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Speaker 1: what's it like working for the Cowboys, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: the great part is that it's it's just fun. The

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Speaker 1: field advantage and their defense has forced all these takeaways

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Speaker 1: like you don't want to play the Cowboys right now,

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Speaker 1: Like whichever one of these teams manages to win, the

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Speaker 1: And that's what I love about the NFL playoffs. It's

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Speaker 1: to think that this is really without all their players,

429
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: this is really a middle of the road team, a

430
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: seven and a nine to nine and seven team. They

431
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: could end up in that seven nine range, it can

432
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 1: end up six and ten. But the point is that's

433
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: probably what they are because what we're seeing right now

434
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: is this they're beating teams that are worse than them.

435
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: It just so happened their schedule was frontloaded with the

436
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: teams that were much better than them. You guys agree

437
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: with that? Disagree with that? I totally agree with that.

438
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,959
Speaker 1: Um well, I mean it's just it's it's hard to

439
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: evaluate any team that doesn't have the quarterback that it's

440
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: supposed to have. But I mean, you know, you look

441
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: at even when Dak was there. I mean, I mean,

442
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: the defense was pitiful against the Browns, but like, do

443
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: you feel awful about lose to the Browns and light

444
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,719
Speaker 1: of the season that they're having. Obviously, the Seahawks are

445
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: perennial playoff contenders, and the Cardinals are a pleasant surprise

446
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 1: as well, which isn't a huge surprise. Yeah, and the

447
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: Rams as well. So I agree that they played a

448
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: lot of playoff teams at the start of the season,

449
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, I would be fascinated to know how

450
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Speaker 1: much better their record would be if Dak had played

451
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: all of these games. You know, I think I don't

452
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: think that they would be you know, ten and three

453
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, or like you know, nine and four. But

454
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that they would be much more relevant than

455
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: the playoff conversation. What do you think? Amber? You know,

456
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: I agree, and I don't mean to argue with you, Dave,

457
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: because I do agree with that point, and if you

458
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: ask me, obviously would rather have Dak than Andy Dalton.

459
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's not like the Cowboys

460
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: have been this team that is dealing with a very

461
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: inexperienced quarterback in there. You know, they haven't they doubt

462
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: and who is a guy who who is the starter?

463
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: He is the starter in the NFL, so at least

464
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: in the quarterback topic, even though very different weapons, and

465
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: they can definitely not do what Deck can do as

466
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: far as far as like the running game and all

467
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: that stuff. But just in general, I think that the

468
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys they could have positioned themselves to be at a

469
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: better spot had they made conscious choices earlier on in

470
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: the season, but they didn't. So there's so many things

471
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: that it's definitely out of your control. But then there

472
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: are so many other things that I still believe, regardless

473
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: of all the injuries, that the Cowboys could have done

474
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: better and at least being better. I don't know how

475
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: many more wins they would have gotten, but at least

476
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: done something a little bit better than what we've seen

477
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: earlier in the season. But I mean, now that's in

478
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: the past. You can't really predict what different things would

479
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: have had been and how that would have actually changed

480
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: the game. But I do still think that the Cowboys

481
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: could have positioned themselves at a way better spot right now. Yeah,

482
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: I'll even give you this Amber. If I had to

483
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: choose one player that I could have had healthy this

484
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: year that wasn't I don't think it would have been Dak.

485
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: I think I would have preferred to have one of

486
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: those tackles you give me tiring for the whole year.

487
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: With Andy Dalton, I don't think they would have been

488
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: as good as with Dak. I do think they would

489
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: have still won this division, and I think they would

490
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: have been a playoff team, and I think they might

491
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: have won a game in the playoffs. I think with

492
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: DAK the problem would have still been without protection, it

493
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: would have been an uphill battle for them. I think

494
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: they could have done a lot of things pretty well.

495
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: The problem still would have been the defense, obviously, but

496
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: they could have done it a lot of things, a

497
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: lot of things pretty well. I think if they had

498
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: one of those tackles, and if that, even if that

499
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: meant that they didn't have their quarterback, I think if

500
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: Dak is, if that's the only change, if Dak is,

501
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: to me, if Dak's the quarterback, I think yesterday they

502
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: would have had Yesterday, they would have won the division yesterday.

503
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: What do you think if they would have had one

504
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: of the tackles and not Deck. Yeah, now I don't

505
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't agree with you there. I don't agree with

506
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: you because of the uh, the Falcons game, because of

507
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: the Cleveland, because of some of those games. I think

508
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: the tyrant did play in the Cleveland game. But I

509
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: just think that Dak, with that offense, the way they're rolling,

510
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I think they would have you know, they would have

511
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: figured out. I mean, and I agree with what day

512
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: Van Amber both said, and I just look at specific

513
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: games better Core. I mean, Denucci almost had them in

514
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: a win. Dak wins that game against Philly. Carson Wentz

515
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: was Santa Claus that day, given out gifts, So I

516
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 1: mean I think they win that game. I think they

517
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: beat the Steelers with Dak. I think they beat one

518
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: of the Washington games. Give them three wins right now.

519
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I understand, I amber, you're right, you

520
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: can't if you do that, change that. Everybody's got a change.

521
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: I get it. Dak plays all year based off everything else.

522
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I think this team right now is eight and six,

523
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: and they had hats yesterday. I would in shirts. Pretty

524
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: much every team that's got a legitimate hope of winning

525
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is doing it with great quarterback play.

526
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: And the ones that aren't, you know, the Saints and

527
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: the and the Colts come to mind, steel maybe the

528
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: Dolphins as well. They got a lot of everything else. Yeah,

529
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: they I mean, you know, you gotta either have everything

530
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: or you gotta have a really good quarterback. I'll take

531
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: the good quarterback every single time. The Cowboys this year

532
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: have beaten Matt Ryan, Daniel Jones, Kurt Cousins, Brandon Allen,

533
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Nick Mullins. There's a storyline there. There's a storyline there,

534
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna go to the storyline you're talking about.

535
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: All right, I didn't say anything. Let's get some players

536
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: of the game. Let's stow with you. Dave, give me

537
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: a player of the game. I mean, it would be

538
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: easy to say Ceedee Lamb or Tony Pollard. I wrote

539
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: stories about those guys yesterday. But how about Donovan Wilson.

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: I think they said I've said that already this year,

541
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: but Donny, you know, I try to I try to

542
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: like couch my enthusiasm for Donovan Wilson because I think

543
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: people get carried away. They see a guy make a play, they're,

544
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're already penciling him in for next year.

545
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: And in the back of my mind, I'm like, yeah,

546
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: he's he's good, but like he's still a sixth round pick.

547
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, people were really excited about Xavier Woods at

548
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: one point in his career as well. But every time

549
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: the dude goes out there, he just makes a difference.

550
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: And he's not you know, he's not a perfect player.

551
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: I think he's still got some growing to do in coverage.

552
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever gonna be this like

553
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: sticky coverage safety. But he makes plays, man, and that's

554
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: more than a lot of Dallas dbs can say in

555
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: my time covering the team. So I mean, I gotta

556
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: give it to him. He should have had two picks

557
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: yesterday and the one that he did make was very impressive.

558
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: So it's it's exciting to think where his career could

559
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: be going. Yeah, I'm not I'm not talking down this

560
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: guy anymore from the standpoint of let me wait and see.

561
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, because because I'll tell you right now,

562
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: with what he's done in just this year, name a

563
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: defensive back. I'm not just gonna even say safety. Name

564
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: a defensive back. You can go back as far as

565
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: you want to. I want to see how far you

566
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: have to go to get one that's made as many

567
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: plays as this guy's making. And he's making them and

568
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: by the way, he was making them in training camp

569
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, he was making them in practices like

570
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: this is not something that's new. This is something we've

571
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: seen basically since the time I've been watching him. I

572
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: didn't watch him at A and M a Ton, But

573
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: ever since he's been with the Dallas Cowboys, he's been

574
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: making plays. I'm not putting it on a curve anymore.

575
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: Here's what he is at this point. He's a playmaking

576
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: safety in my opinion. All right, Amber, give me a

577
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: player of the game, all right, to argue, I mean,

578
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: my player would have to be de Marcus Lawrence. He's

579
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: a guy that we've talked about all season. Fans have

580
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: been criticizing him because he wasn't living up to his

581
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: contract and all these things. And I mean yesterday, you

582
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: just watch the game and he will make himself known.

583
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: And the power that he had, even on plays that

584
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: wearing like statistically credited to him, he was still making

585
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: an impact there. And another thing that I think to

586
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: me stands out in these past few games is the

587
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: rest of the line. I mean, these guys even when

588
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: the play, let's say the plays happening all the way

589
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: over there to the far ride and most likely this

590
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: player won't be able to catch up to there to

591
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: that guy and make a play or anything. Most of

592
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: these defensive line guys are just they don't give up.

593
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: They don't give up on plays and they go after

594
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: And to me that those are things that are really

595
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: important and things that don't necessarily have an actual effect

596
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: on the game, like on the player on stat sheets

597
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But just to see that kind

598
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: of drive from the line defensive lineman overall in general,

599
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: the kind of energy and will and competitiveniveness come back.

600
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: I can't even say that word, but you know, the

601
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: will to compete in there knocking up it's impressive. It's impressive,

602
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: So DeMarcus laws for sure, but also giving credit to

603
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: the rest of the line. You know, I think I

604
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: want to copyright this. I don't know, and I don't

605
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: know how you added as something to a cliche to

606
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: the world, but it's not. It's I've said this before,

607
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: it's not horseshoes and hand grenades. You know, close only counts,

608
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: and horseshoes and hand grenades and pass rush like pass

609
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: rush should count, Like that counts. Like She's right, DeMarcus

610
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Lorrens may not get a sack on this play, but

611
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: if the quarterback just throws it into the ground because

612
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: you're scared of goodness, hit again, that counts. You're off

613
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: the field. They punted. You don't get really anything for it,

614
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: but being close in close pressure that counted right there,

615
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: So she's right about that. My player to watch is

616
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, and Jordan I thought yesterday really made a

617
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: strong case to say maybe this guy needs to come back.

618
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: I thought this was his best game since of the

619
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: season by far. He was blitzing off the edge, he

620
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: was physical, he was making plays. Yeah, he got a

621
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: penalty a little bit. I think take it, He'll take it.

622
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's being aggressive. He was, he showed his

623
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: value and his versatility and all that. He was really

624
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: really good yesterday, and he's been good actually the last

625
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: few games. If you think go back to the the Minnesota game.

626
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: You made some plays at the end. So you know,

627
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: he's just one of those guys that, unfortunately, he just

628
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: doesn't pass the cornerback eye test. He's got to prove

629
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: to the coaches he can play, he can ball. He

630
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: might have been in his feelings a little bit earlier.

631
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on there early on

632
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: in the year. He's playing well now, and you know,

633
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I think you know, all three of these people, d Law,

634
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis had slower starts this year for

635
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: whatever the reason. They're balling out right now. Ye all right,

636
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break when we come back.

637
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Tony Pollard in his

638
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: game yesterday and what it means. Nick thinks it means

639
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: very little about the guy didn't play. Oh yes, right,

640
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: I apologize, okay, jumping in, But I do want to

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Speaker 1: talk about a couple of players, or a couple of

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Speaker 1: different situations that happened in this game that I think

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Speaker 1: are worthy of conversation. We're gonna start with Tony Pollard.

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Speaker 1: He got a good day yesterday, and I thought, Nick

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Speaker 1: you when you came to the press box, we were

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Speaker 1: first person I want in the press box. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: When whenever I saw the picture of you in the

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Speaker 1: press box, I wanted to point out the back like

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, and what he did yesterday was special because

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Speaker 1: I knew. I knew you were making the claim I

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Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with Zeke. Don't get me

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Speaker 1: started on seeing you wrote an article about it. Tell

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Speaker 1: me the premise of the article. I just I feel

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Speaker 1: like it was about Tony Pollard. This is what they

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Speaker 1: drafted him to be. They wanted him to be this

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Speaker 1: kind of guy, and if you think about most of

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Speaker 1: his success, pretty much all of it was in space.

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Speaker 1: That's what they did with him. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: need to have Zeke in the lineup or out of

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Speaker 1: the line up to utilize him that way. They need

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to get these two backs going

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Speaker 1: in the game more. Um. I don't think this means, oh,

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Speaker 1: you just replace him because he didn't replace Zeke in

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Speaker 1: the things they asked Zeke to do. He was doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on the edges, which is great,

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Speaker 1: a lot of swing passes. I think he needs to

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Speaker 1: be replacing the third or fourth receiver, maybe as some

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Speaker 1: of the tight end something like that, different packages, as

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Speaker 1: twenty packages. As Bucky said last week, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he did all the dirty work that Zeke did. But

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Speaker 1: he was great. Let's let's make it about Tony Pollard.

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Speaker 1: He was electrifying. So let me ask you this question.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna flip that a little bit challenge. Do you

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Speaker 1: think it challenge a little bit? Do you think that

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Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys as a team maybe shouldn't be doing

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Speaker 1: the things that they're asking Zeke to do as much

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Speaker 1: as the things that they're asking Tony Pollard to do.

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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is you I assume

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Speaker 1: what you're saying is he's not a power runner. He's

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Speaker 1: not a guy's gonna line up and you know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna pound right behind the center and pick up three

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Speaker 1: four yards. Do you think maybe Cowboys should look at

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Speaker 1: this and say, I'll give you a good example. Marshall

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Speaker 1: Falk made a career of being the type of back

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Speaker 1: that Tony Pollard was yesterday. Their offense was built around

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Speaker 1: that type of running back. They got him out in space,

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Speaker 1: They looked for opportunities to get the ball in his

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Speaker 1: hand in space and let him create with it. Should

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys be doing more or of that versus trying

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Speaker 1: to pound the ball with Zeke Elliott? I mean I

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00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: think that's that's a fair point. I'll tell let Dave

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Speaker 1: answer that too, But I mean, yeah, I think that

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Speaker 1: The way to think about it, though, is Zeke makes

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Speaker 1: fifteen million a year. He's your back. You've made the bed,

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta sleep in it, absolutely, and you

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Speaker 1: gotta go to zeke strengths. But there's ways to get

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00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: incorporate Pollard in there, Dave, David Hellman in yours. Y'all

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00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: are kind of choppy right now. Sorry, yeah, did you hear?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear the question? Did you were talking about?

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Speaker 1: We just want to get your opinion. You repeat it

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Speaker 1: for me. I'm sorry. We're trying to find out what

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Speaker 1: your thoughts are on Tony Pollard versus Zeke whether and

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Speaker 1: my question to Nick was he said that Pollard wasn't

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Speaker 1: doing the kind of things you asked asked Zeke to do.

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Speaker 1: My question is maybe the Cowboys shouldn't be asking Zeke

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Speaker 1: to do those things, or asking anybody to do those things.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they need to have an offense more geared to

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Speaker 1: what the types of things that they were asking of

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard yesterday versus the things that maybe they're asking

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Speaker 1: Zeke to do. What do you think? I mean? I

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Speaker 1: like they have given Zeke those opportunities, have they not?

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00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: Like Zeke has been targeted plenty in the passing game

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00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: this season, hasn't really done a whole lot. His hands

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00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: have been questionable. I mean, I don't think Tony Pollard

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Speaker 1: did anything that Zeke could not do yesterday, like he

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Speaker 1: you know, they weren't asking him to run these crazy

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Speaker 1: routes or or anything like that, like stuff that Zeke's

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00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: not capable. But we have not seen that from Ezekiel Elliott.

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Speaker 1: And the argument that I'm hearing, you know, on Twitter

767
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: and just in Cowboyland right now, is like, yeah, you

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00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: need both of these running backs because Zeke does do

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Speaker 1: the dirty work. Zeke gets the four yard gains, and

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Speaker 1: Zeke always falls forward and all that stuff. But is

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Speaker 1: that really what you're paying a guy fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: to do? Because that that doesn't that doesn't work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just not good team building. If you're you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're dirty runner who never breaks explosive plays and

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00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: never has a one hundred and fifty yard all purpose day,

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Speaker 1: you know, sixty receiving yards, seventy rushing yards um. If

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00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: if all he's doing is falling forward for four yards,

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00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody can do that. You know, Chris Carson

779
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: does that for Seattle and they got him in like

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Speaker 1: the seventh round. So it's it creates a conundrum because

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Speaker 1: I do think Zeke is valuable. You know, I'm not

782
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Speaker 1: trying to get rid of the guy, but but he's

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00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: making a lot more than what his role suggests. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I'm not trying to get

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Speaker 1: rid of Zeke, but I thought Tony Pollard's performance kind

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00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: of emphasized that yesterday. What are you thinking. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if the game plan was better suited for Tony

788
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: Pollard's ability or if Pollard just simply executed them better.

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Speaker 1: My thing is that these guys are both on the

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Speaker 1: same team. I mean, you're both on the same team.

791
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: You're playing for the same reasons. I don't think there's

792
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: a need to put them against each other. There's you

793
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: can utilize them both. I don't think that Poler can

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Speaker 1: do some of the things that ze can do, and obviously,

795
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: based on the things that we've seen, Zeek cannot do

796
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Speaker 1: maybe not anymore some of the things that polar is

797
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: being able to do as far as those explosive plays.

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Speaker 1: But I think it just comes down to Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: and the way that they decide to utilize both of them,

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Speaker 1: Like they have different games, Like these two guys have

801
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: different abilities, and you can use that to your advantage.

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00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: You can just you just need to find a way

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00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: to distribute the plays better, find ways that you can

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Speaker 1: actually combine them both, use them both at the same time,

805
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Speaker 1: and use that as a threat. So I'm not here

806
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: to be like, go on oh team or team polar here,

807
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm here on both team. I'm like both of them.

808
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: Just use them both and find the best way to

809
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: use them. So but but I'm definitely not ready to say, oh, yeah,

810
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Speaker 1: Zeke is not that kind of back anymore, sit him

811
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Speaker 1: out and give Pollard the ball a lot more. No,

812
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: I just think you need to find a way to

813
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: use them both. Well. The fact is they absolutely have

814
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Speaker 1: to use them both because Zeke ain't going anywhere, Like

815
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: the contract is not one that you're going to be

816
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: able to trade. You're not gonna cut him and just

817
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: assume all that money. And by the way, he still

818
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: is a good player, Like you need good players so

819
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to have them both. And I

820
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: think Nikki hit the nail on the head when you

821
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: said they just got to figure out. And I heard

822
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Speaker 1: you say on the radio this morning when you're doing

823
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Speaker 1: your hit with one on five out three of the

824
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Speaker 1: fan that it's kind of baffling that it took Zeke

825
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Speaker 1: being out for them to actually use Pollard in these ways.

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Speaker 1: Because what we saw yesterday was a very dynamic running

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Speaker 1: back and it doesn't seem like they have figured out

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Speaker 1: how to do that win Zeke's in the lineup, which

829
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Speaker 1: is baffling. They should be able to figure that, especially

830
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Speaker 1: on there was a play where Rico Daddle was the

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Speaker 1: running back and they had they swung him around, and

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Speaker 1: you know that would even be better, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you had Zeke in there. So they that's going to

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Speaker 1: be one of those offseason things they really needed to

835
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Speaker 1: figure out ways to do that use them both. I

836
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: think I also said this Kamara was the player that

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Speaker 1: they mentioned when when I think Stephen Jones said they

838
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: wanted him to be like a Kamara when it was,

839
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, at the Saints and when he first I

840
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: think they made the Pro Bowl the same year mark

841
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: Ingram made the Pro Bowl for the Saints. Now again

842
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: it Sean Payton's he's a genius over there, and he's

843
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: got Drew Brees and all that. But two running backs

844
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl. You know, they only take three,

845
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: So there's a way to do it where you have

846
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: a good runner that's featured. But they also after that

847
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: they moved on from that other back and made Kamara

848
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: their primary back, right, So I mean, if you use

849
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: that argument, is Pollard good enough to do that? And

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately what this does it just illuminates the

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Speaker 1: reason why maybe you shouldn't in that second contract any

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Speaker 1: running back it is because it's just so plentiful. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about what they did afterwards. You're right,

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Speaker 1: but because if the contract was different, this might be

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Speaker 1: different here, but this is the way it is. This

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Speaker 1: is the way the contract is, so figure it out.

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Speaker 1: There's there's some example so that it can work. You're right.

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Speaker 1: If Zeke was in the last year of his contract,

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Speaker 1: should be a different conversation that would be. But he's not,

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Speaker 1: and they got to figure it out. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that Zeke's contract, whether explicitly or subconsciously, weighs into that, Like,

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Speaker 1: do you think there is an element of, well, this

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Speaker 1: guy commands x amount of the salary cap pie, like

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Speaker 1: he needs to be on the field, Like, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: don't need you know, we're not equal using a guy

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Speaker 1: on a rookie contract verse a guy that's eating up

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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars of our salary cap. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer to that, but it does make me wonder.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they should. They should be better at

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Speaker 1: balancing these two players. They haven't been the whole time

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony's been on the team, and it does make

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Speaker 1: me wonder, if you know, resource allocation is part of

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Speaker 1: the reason why. And you know, we didn't talk about

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. I thought the offensive line played played

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Speaker 1: better yesterday. I mean, I'm curious to see what people

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Speaker 1: that really study and know what they're looking for and

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Speaker 1: all that. What Terrence Steel's great to have been here lately,

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Speaker 1: he seems like he's playing a little bit better. I

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Speaker 1: actually think the narrative may have flipped a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I actually think Brandon Knight is one I see with

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Speaker 1: more bust now than Terrence Steel. Just I'll point to

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Speaker 1: there's this one play particularly where I think they would

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Speaker 1: have had a touchdown. It was a I want to

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Speaker 1: say it was the second third down, but anyway, the

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Speaker 1: Dalton was backing up, he was was about to throw

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Speaker 1: to Cede Land in the middle, and Cede was I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had nothing but green grass in front of him

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Speaker 1: and he knew it and so did Andy. But basically

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Speaker 1: Brandon Knight and it was basically less side of line

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Speaker 1: you had Looney, you had Connor, and you had Brandon Knight,

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Speaker 1: and they all three just kind of completely whipped on this.

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Speaker 1: On this twist at the San Francisco defensive front, Rand

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Speaker 1: and nobody picked up the guy loop to the inside

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Speaker 1: and he just basically blew up the play and and

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Speaker 1: and you know, Brandon Ni kind of doesn't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on, Connor kind of stuck with this guy getting

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Speaker 1: recognize what's going on. Looney's over kind I'm messing helping

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Speaker 1: up on the right side. So I just think, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've seen more plays over the last two weeks where

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Speaker 1: I was like, what is Brandon doing here? I haven't

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Speaker 1: really noticed Herren still very much at all of these

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Speaker 1: last few weeks, And to me, that's an improvement because

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Speaker 1: we were noticing him a lot earlier in the year.

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Speaker 1: I think my point I was going to say is

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Speaker 1: that it's an athletic line a little bit more than

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Speaker 1: they are a power line, or a lot more than

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Speaker 1: they are as a power line. With with Lion's got's power,

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Speaker 1: Tyrant's got some power, Zach Martin, you know they can run.

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Speaker 1: I think this the line is better suited to have

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Speaker 1: Zeke in there than it is you know the way

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Speaker 1: it is right now. But but I'd say this that

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Speaker 1: NFC westlet next year, Oh my god. I mean the

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Speaker 1: forty nine is are gonna be back because they have

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Speaker 1: good coaching staff. They're gonna be back. Seattle is Seattle.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna rams Cardinals Division. Yeah, I think there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be better. But man's that might be the best in

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Speaker 1: football right there. All right, we'll appreciate you guys join us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. We'll get into some other topics.

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Speaker 1: There were some things we didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 1: get into, like Noah Brown and the wide receivers. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about some of that stuff tomorrow. Till then, for

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Speaker 1: Nick Even, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Elton.

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