Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks, and welcome to this episode of Amy
Speaker 1: and TJ continuing to give you your Diddy trial updates
Speaker 1: day and day out. It is Friday, June thirteenth, Yes,
Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth, and as Werowaka and I sit here
Speaker 1: to give you the update, court is in session here
Speaker 1: on this Friday, A key witness is off the stand.
Speaker 1: New witnesses are going to be up there today, but
Speaker 1: Robes again a little drama before they even got two witnesses,
Speaker 1: and we had two issues in particular this morning we
Speaker 1: want to pass along to you, folks, And this was
Speaker 1: just happening as we were recording this. So as of
Speaker 1: this recording, these two issues just popped up before they
Speaker 1: were able to even get the testimony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had an issue with someone who's going to
Speaker 2: be testifying, Homeland Security Special Agent Andre Lamon. There was
Speaker 2: a discussion as to whether or not he could testify
Speaker 2: about guns found in Diddy's home. So they went back
Speaker 2: and forth on that, and then there was another issue
Speaker 2: regarding that juror, that duror that they said wasn't forthcoming
Speaker 2: in wardere where he was describing where he lived apparently
Speaker 2: was at issue, and so there was a lot of
Speaker 2: back and forth between the defense and the prosecution on that.
Speaker 1: So let's go with the Homeland security expert or excuse
Speaker 1: me as to say agent. He was a part of
Speaker 1: the raid on Ditty's home, those initial raids that were
Speaker 1: all over television, all the talk of baby oil that
Speaker 1: was found at the house and all this, and they
Speaker 1: did find guns. The defense was adamant. I mean, they
Speaker 1: are fighting, and they were fighting and fighting fighting this morning.
Speaker 1: Say we do not want this man talking about guns.
Speaker 1: They thought that could be prejudicial. Yeah, if you're getting
Speaker 1: up there talking about a guy in a racketeering case
Speaker 1: and some guy gets up there, so you have found
Speaker 1: this gun, this gun, and this gun. They found a compromise.
Speaker 1: I guess the judge was going to allow him to
Speaker 1: do it, but you said you have to do it.
Speaker 1: But put it in context. The guns that were.
Speaker 3: Found, correct, the defense attorney.
Speaker 2: Ditty's defense attorney said, I want to know exactly where
Speaker 2: the guns were. He said, I don't want to start
Speaker 2: playing rush roulette with guns, which is the way you
Speaker 2: played Russian roulette.
Speaker 1: Aha haha ha.
Speaker 2: So a little humor there as they're going back and forth.
Speaker 2: But the judge did decide that the Homeland Security agent
Speaker 2: can testify about guns found in one of Sean Combe's mansions,
Speaker 2: and the prosecution has to address the defense team's concerns
Speaker 2: by clarifying in their questioning that there was no sign
Speaker 2: of impropriety on how the guns were kept in his home.
Speaker 1: It was just there. That's all I can say. The
Speaker 1: guns were there. That still could be prejudiciar. You see
Speaker 1: what But it sounds from the reporters in the room
Speaker 1: that the defense was fighting tooth and nail to not
Speaker 1: have this stuff mentioned. This gives ad a wrong impression.
Speaker 3: I should say words like adamant. They were adamant that
Speaker 3: this not happened.
Speaker 1: Yes, they didn't want this, soh that is being allowed.
Speaker 1: The Whomeland Security agent is on the stand now, he's
Speaker 1: been testifying to other stuff that he did found. I
Speaker 1: was just asking you, why would you have a cooler
Speaker 1: bag full of baby oil? So he listed a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that they actually found in Diddy's home,
Speaker 1: A bunch of Milila envelopes with k on them, and
Speaker 1: then inside there was a substance and it was tested
Speaker 1: for ketminetamine.
Speaker 3: Right, that would make sense.
Speaker 1: They but they were lately. You need to label your ketamine?
Speaker 2: Well maybe you know, when you have a lot of
Speaker 2: drugs floating around your home, you got to keep it all.
Speaker 1: That's my point.
Speaker 3: Labeled and you know what you're taking. That's great, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: You're taking so many drugs that you have to have
Speaker 2: Manila envelopes and labels to know which drugs are witch.
Speaker 1: It's odd to think even though they were using drugs,
Speaker 1: they were being safe about it. This makes sure nobody.
Speaker 2: Takes the wrong You don't want to take ketamine when
Speaker 2: you think you're taking advil or I don't know, cocaine.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how they all look. Seems like
Speaker 2: they would look very different from one another, but maybe
Speaker 2: they aren't.
Speaker 1: Not wild to say. I have no idea what kenmy
Speaker 1: looks like. Does it come in pill form? Is it
Speaker 1: in liquid?
Speaker 2: For?
Speaker 1: I actually don't know.
Speaker 2: The only thing I know that cocaine is a white
Speaker 2: pottery substance.
Speaker 3: I know that. But other than that, I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: a scarface too.
Speaker 1: I know what that looks like. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what ketamine looks like. But they listed all these things,
Speaker 1: and yes, this one detail though was it eighteen They
Speaker 1: say commercial sized boxes of astroglide astro That is disturbing,
Speaker 1: that's wild. But he said yes, they ended up being
Speaker 1: like nine hundred bottles of lubricant altogether, and yes, a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of baby oil. But I asked you. He said,
Speaker 1: they found a cooler bag full of baby oil. And
Speaker 1: I said, why would you put it in a cooler bag?
Speaker 2: And because this is my best guess that a cooler
Speaker 2: bag is waterproof, and so it's usually there to hold
Speaker 2: ice or something to keep something cool, but it could
Speaker 2: also prevent baby oil from spilling when you're transporting it.
Speaker 3: It could leak into other fabrics.
Speaker 2: So this way the baby oil would stay in the
Speaker 2: cooler bag and not get all over the place, because
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you have a half used bottle. Doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like they had too many half used bottles bottles,
Speaker 2: but maybe they did and they wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: they kept That is just such a bizarre thing that
Speaker 2: you're transporting baby oil from hotel to hotel.
Speaker 3: How do you get that through the tea? I guess
Speaker 3: you got to check that bag.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you remember from earlier they used to send
Speaker 1: people to get candles and send me where it gets tough.
Speaker 2: Okay, they didn't travel with it, just from the store
Speaker 2: to the hotel.
Speaker 3: You need a cooler bag.
Speaker 1: You know what, you make a good You've spoken like
Speaker 1: a true parent. That sounds like something a parent due
Speaker 1: to make sure the baby didn't spill something, you would
Speaker 1: get a cooler bag, something that's easily you conceal. That
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 3: It makes you think of a lunchbox exactly.
Speaker 2: You get your kids these little lunch boxes so that
Speaker 2: they don't spill and they can keep their little sandwich cool.
Speaker 1: Not quite like that, but I'm glad we could add
Speaker 1: a little levity to all this baby oil talk. That
Speaker 1: was issue number one this morning. So he is as
Speaker 1: we speak, he is on the stand and being allowed
Speaker 1: to talk about all the things that he found in
Speaker 1: the home. The other issue rose We've been talking about
Speaker 1: this juror for weeks. People have concerns about this juror.
Speaker 1: Even the judge had concerns. We don't know for sure
Speaker 1: if this was the person that Diddy was looking at
Speaker 1: when he got reprimanded by the judge. He was nodding
Speaker 1: to someone. What was the word the judge Lute used,
Speaker 1: He was nodding aggressively, yes, but nodding to some juror.
Speaker 1: What has come up about a juror the prosecution investigated.
Speaker 1: They said this person had a lack of candor with
Speaker 1: the court, so they were wanting them possibly removed. The
Speaker 1: defense was saying, no, we want to keep this juror,
Speaker 1: and that robed to some of the back and forth
Speaker 1: this morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't still even hearing what was said
Speaker 2: back and forth, I'm still not super clear on what
Speaker 2: the issue was other than it had something to do
Speaker 2: with where he lived. But the judge said that he
Speaker 2: didn't believe there was He said that there was a
Speaker 2: facial inconsistency in the juror's answer to questions about where
Speaker 2: he lived. And the judge said this, he thought that
Speaker 2: it was fair and reasonable that the prosecution would raise
Speaker 2: that issue to the court, that there were concerns if
Speaker 2: he wasn't totally truthful about that, what else could they
Speaker 2: take for truth or fact. So the judge also pushed
Speaker 2: back and was not happy that the defense suggests that
Speaker 2: there was some sort of bias. The defense had said
Speaker 2: that they believed the prosecution trying to have this duror removed,
Speaker 2: was waging a thinly veiled effort to dismiss a black juror.
Speaker 2: The judge said, that is not happening. There is no
Speaker 2: bias in any of any kind, and it's totally reasonable
Speaker 2: that the government brought this up. And so the judge
Speaker 2: said he might possibly pull the juror aside after testimony
Speaker 2: today and speak to him. But the defense didn't necessarily
Speaker 2: like that either, But.
Speaker 1: The judge sounded reasonable. I know a lot is on
Speaker 1: the line. Defence is doing their job. He said, this
Speaker 1: is probably just an innocent mistake. Let me talk to
Speaker 1: the guy before we have to remove somebody. I judge
Speaker 1: says he's going to look into this, take it up again,
Speaker 1: maybe later. But that juror is still on that jury
Speaker 1: doing his thing as we speak.
Speaker 2: And I don't believe this juror knows that we're talking
Speaker 2: about him.
Speaker 1: No, while this.
Speaker 2: Dude, he's forty one years old, he's from the Bronx,
Speaker 2: he's a corrections officer. He has no what he loves
Speaker 2: nineties rap music. We know that, but he has no
Speaker 2: idea we're discussing him on this podcast, or that the
Speaker 2: judge is discussing him, or that there's any sort of
Speaker 2: fight between the defense and the prosecution over him.
Speaker 1: Didn't they make the argument The defense said, well, don't
Speaker 1: call him in there. He's gonna feel like he's been
Speaker 1: singled out and picked on. That's harassing the juror.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what the defense said, So they don't want
Speaker 2: him to even be aware that there's any issue with
Speaker 2: what answer he gave when they were questioning him. But
Speaker 2: the judge said he would take the defense's concern into consideration,
Speaker 2: but he would make that decision and possibly possibly speak
Speaker 2: to that juror later today to decide if everything was kosher.
Speaker 2: But he felt like things were probably fine.
Speaker 1: So that issue seems to continue. That's not done just yet,
Speaker 1: but something to keep an eye on. The rolls we
Speaker 1: been covering this. This is the fifth week of testimony
Speaker 1: that's wrapping up now. There have been a bunch We
Speaker 1: keep talking about. Heartbreaking moments, gripping moments, painful moments, jaw
Speaker 1: dropping moments. We keep coming up every day like wow,
Speaker 1: it's another than another one. I do not think I
Speaker 1: heard about anything in this entire trial that was more
Speaker 1: shocking and powerful and maybe even important than what happened
Speaker 1: with Jane when she finished. It wasn't something we finally
Speaker 1: heard from Jane, but something Jane did when she finally
Speaker 1: got through testifying. That is the moment of the trial
Speaker 1: for me so far.
Speaker 2: I agree, and I don't think we're as humans used
Speaker 2: to seeing people be kind and loving, especially in a
Speaker 2: public way, and especially in a trial like this. But
Speaker 2: that is exactly what Jane managed to do after she
Speaker 2: testified for six days grueling, excruciating testimony, and she got
Speaker 2: she got asked tough, hard questions, and yet when she
Speaker 2: finally finished, she walked over and she hugged the prosecutor.
Speaker 2: But even more remarkably, she then turned and walked over
Speaker 2: to the defense attorney who had been grilling her.
Speaker 1: Tiny grinning grows, Gary goes right.
Speaker 2: Teddy, Gary goes and hugged her as well. What a moment,
Speaker 2: How powerful? That was just a simple hug, but it
Speaker 2: said so much about who she is and hopefully perhaps
Speaker 2: I mean, she said she wanted peace, she wanted peace
Speaker 2: for Diddy, and her actions spoke even louder than her words.
Speaker 1: My first thought of this was about the end of
Speaker 1: a game or the end of a boxing match. We
Speaker 1: just went out here and beat the hell out of
Speaker 1: each other for twelve rounds, I'm hurting you hurting. We
Speaker 1: talked all that smack before the fight. There was even
Speaker 1: some dirty stuff that happened during the fight. But the
Speaker 1: fight's over, and let's just acknowledge that we had to
Speaker 1: do what we had to do. But now it's over.
Speaker 1: That is what it looked like to me, that we
Speaker 1: all just went through this pain. We didn't appreciate having
Speaker 1: to put you through it. We're all we all had
Speaker 1: a job to do, and you had a job to
Speaker 1: do on the stand. And it felt like she just
Speaker 1: acknowledged to everybody, Okay, guys, good game, almost if you
Speaker 1: will just.
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about that, like a sports analogy that
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. It also felt like her
Speaker 2: kind of owning the moment for herself. It wasn't about
Speaker 2: anyone else. It was about her extending grace, and that
Speaker 2: hug for me was closure in a way, like she
Speaker 2: could put this chapter now to rest. She did what
Speaker 2: she thought was the right thing to do, and she
Speaker 2: wasn't doing it.
Speaker 3: It feels like.
Speaker 2: When she ended with that hug, she wasn't doing it
Speaker 2: for vengeance or for to get back at Ditty or
Speaker 2: to make sure he goes to jail. She I believe,
Speaker 2: sat up there and did the best job she could
Speaker 2: to tell the truth.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was it was a peace offering at
Speaker 3: the end. That really was incredible.
Speaker 1: It was I mean, the emotion that finally came out.
Speaker 1: I say this to you all the time. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: have a long day and exhausting, just run and run
Speaker 1: and running, and I'm fine as it's happening, But it's
Speaker 1: the I mean, the second that we're done, everything just
Speaker 1: releases and you just exhausted, and you just break down
Speaker 1: almost emotionally. I almost want to cry. It felt like
Speaker 1: this is finally over. She's been doing this for a year,
Speaker 1: if you will, going back and forth and meetings with
Speaker 1: attorneys and so on. This was finally it and maybe
Speaker 1: she will never speak to Ditty again. It's possible this
Speaker 1: might have been the last time she ever sees this guy.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 1: It's just that what a moment. We didn't see it.
Speaker 1: We just heard the end. We've depended on a bunch
Speaker 1: of very good reporters at the Washington Post in particular,
Speaker 1: who've been telling us what's going on in the courtroom.
Speaker 1: But that was I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Believe that one, you know, And I hope she went
Speaker 2: straight to the airport, got on a plane and is
Speaker 2: lying on a beach somewhere beautiful, because she went to
Speaker 2: Helen Back this past week.
Speaker 1: And some of her testimonies may sound like she went
Speaker 1: to Helen Back while dating Diddy.
Speaker 3: For three years transition, but I applaud that.
Speaker 1: And look, the other thing that played role in the
Speaker 1: triol we're gonna rap on this one is somebody we
Speaker 1: don't know. There is someone who played a role yesterday
Speaker 1: in a major way, and we don't know who the
Speaker 1: hell it is yet we're talking Robes. This is a
Speaker 1: fascinating story. So there's a mystery wrapper unidentified. Everybody's trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who it is online right now at least.
Speaker 1: But the story goes Robes that she went to Vegas
Speaker 1: on a private plane with an iconic rapper and his
Speaker 1: girlfriend or his wife, whoever it was. And while she
Speaker 1: was out there, she ran in two an Antoine who
Speaker 1: was a favorite escort that did he like to use
Speaker 1: in his freak offs. So while she's out in Vegas,
Speaker 1: she ends up at a party in a hotel room
Speaker 1: where Anton is performing, where he is having sex with
Speaker 1: somebody in a bed in front of a crowd of people.
Speaker 1: Now why this all matters because several months later, when
Speaker 1: this young lady was with Diddy and for freak Off,
Speaker 1: they got into a fight. This was the one she
Speaker 1: described a brutal.
Speaker 2: Brutal she yeah, this is the one that he came
Speaker 2: into her home in La. She had to hide from
Speaker 2: him for two hours. He punched, he broke down doors,
Speaker 2: he punched, She had welts, she had bruises, and he
Speaker 2: told her, hey, put those injuries on ice when she
Speaker 2: came back in and get ready to perform, because I
Speaker 2: called Antoine over.
Speaker 1: Totally called them, called the next guy, and the next
Speaker 1: gun happened to be Antine. Now Diddy didn't know this
Speaker 1: at the time, but of course she knows this guy already.
Speaker 1: He finds out later that she had gone to another
Speaker 1: man's freak off and gets pissed. So that's the story.
Speaker 1: So what was the debate robes beforehand? Is the DeFi
Speaker 1: is a fight over whether or not that rapper's name
Speaker 1: was going to come up in testimony.
Speaker 2: And the defense wanted his name, yes, said aloud and
Speaker 2: put into the court record. And why did the prosecution
Speaker 2: not want the rapper named.
Speaker 1: I can't remember their answer. I just remember what the
Speaker 1: defense said. They said, we want because this could possibly
Speaker 1: open things up to other witnesses who could possibly come
Speaker 1: forward and help us in our case.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that the defense is hoping that the
Speaker 2: jury that the world hears about this other rapper and
Speaker 2: that he also has freaks and it won't make Diddy
Speaker 2: seem so awful and so bizarre and so perhaps even
Speaker 2: criminal because other people are doing it too.
Speaker 1: They're trying to make a suggestion as well from or
Speaker 1: trying to show that the witness Jane was of her
Speaker 1: own free will attending some of these things, and even
Speaker 1: when Diddy wasn't around, she was found herself in these situations.
Speaker 1: So they were trying to make a point, but just
Speaker 1: for everybody in the room. Part of the reason you
Speaker 1: could say a rapper is a bunch of rappers out there,
Speaker 1: say a popular rapper. Fine, they call this guy an icon.
Speaker 1: They say he is a very successful rapper. He is
Speaker 1: someone that knows mister Colmbs really well, that mister Gomes
Speaker 1: is close to and they use the words that he
Speaker 1: has icon status in the rap game. Now, there is
Speaker 1: a small group of folks who have that if that's true,
Speaker 1: that's a very small group. So now everybody's going to like,
Speaker 1: what the hell. So it's played such a big role
Speaker 1: because everybody's wondering, like what.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because with all of the folks who knew
Speaker 2: what was going on with Diddy, right, he had a
Speaker 2: large enough entourage, and all of those people who were
Speaker 2: working for him had to know what was happening behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. And so if there's someone else in that
Speaker 2: same world doing similar things, you'd think there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people who not just think they know, but
Speaker 2: actually know through experience who that other rapper is, because
Speaker 2: it appear he would also have to have other people
Speaker 2: helping him put these huge sex.
Speaker 3: Party, hotel party freak offs.
Speaker 2: On, and uh yeah, that's got a lot of people digging.
Speaker 1: I said, you be into whatever you want to be into.
Speaker 1: As long as you're not hurting yourself or somebody else,
Speaker 1: I got no problem with it. Oh that's my phone
Speaker 1: is going off there for the very popular song from
Speaker 1: a very different rapper, different rapper. Make sure that's clear.
Speaker 2: Everyone now knows TJ's ring tone is. They're not like us.
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar just a coincidence that just happened to go
Speaker 1: off while we were talking about this. Let's all make
Speaker 1: that okay, is making sure that's but look, see this
Speaker 1: was a room, this was an audience that was watching this.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are aware of this stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and they're in a Vegas and I'm sure it's wasn't
Speaker 1: an off the strip hotel. This was a nice Vegas strip.
Speaker 3: Where everything no I'm kidding but kind of.
Speaker 1: But it's happening right there and are under our noses
Speaker 1: in the next room. That's wild to think.
Speaker 2: About it next time we go to a Vegas hotel
Speaker 2: or frankly some of these hotels in New York City
Speaker 2: who have been named. I don't know that I'm ever
Speaker 2: going to feel the same in one of those hotel rooms.
Speaker 1: Essex House, Wing you going animo, can't do it, no way, Okay,
Speaker 1: Let's make sure we're clear here. No nothing bad negative,
Speaker 1: We're not trashing the Essex House.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine bringing a blue light? Isn't that what
Speaker 2: those things are into one of those rooms now and
Speaker 2: just could There's no way they could have cleaned it
Speaker 2: all up like oil like that. There's no way and
Speaker 2: all those fluids they were talking about. Honestly, it makes
Speaker 2: me never want to stay in a hotel room ever again.
Speaker 1: And it's weird you can't even say, well, I want
Speaker 1: to stay in just the nicest places. These were all nicest.
Speaker 3: They were the sweets place.
Speaker 2: Probably the more expensive it is, the higher chance it
Speaker 2: was that.
Speaker 3: It was used in a freak off.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's what we should do. Then I'll
Speaker 1: just get junior sweets from now on. We should we know,
Speaker 1: did he didn't use a Jinger Street We should be fine.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: We could just get like the basic, lowest priced room
Speaker 2: and you know, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: The King would not have stayed there.
Speaker 1: You all, it's amazing. Look, it's been a long several
Speaker 1: weeks and a long week this week. Look there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on, and I'm glad we can put a
Speaker 1: smile on our face and maybe we could report about
Speaker 1: something that's not so damn violent or completely destructive. But
Speaker 1: we're trying to all make sense of this thing. Folks.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you continuing to listen to us. But that's
Speaker 1: your update for today. More baby oil guns, Adjuror and
Speaker 1: the hug Let's.
Speaker 3: End on the Let's end on the hug.
Speaker 2: Yeah give, Give someone you love or maybe even someone
Speaker 2: who've been having a problem with a hug today and
Speaker 2: see how that starts your weekend.
Speaker 3: But thanks for listening to us.
Speaker 2: Everyone, have a great day.