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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechde cast, the questions asked if movies have

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<v Speaker 1>women and them all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Eph and

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<v Speaker 1>bast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Jump Jump the houses jumping, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Need jump jump the house jump? What an iconic party?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean Pat? Say what you will about Pat. She

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<v Speaker 3>knows how, knows how to throw a party. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 3>knows how to get the house jumping. She is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>oh Pat is Pat's an icon She is Megan. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we love Magan in this house. We love Magon,

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<v Speaker 3>but but you know she Pat is the blueprint. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we're like, there's How from two thousand on

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<v Speaker 2>a Space Odyssey, and How wishes he was Pat?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, how in How's Dreams and it's Pad,

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<v Speaker 3>a direct obvious ripoff of How.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, not even a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>No. Sorry. I trailed off for a second because I

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to remember what Pat stood for. Oh, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, peep and toilet paper, hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, brain is dust? What does it stand for?

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<v Speaker 2>Personal applied technology? Okay, which is so generic it could

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<v Speaker 2>mean any.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it. I believe it. Okay, this movie has everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It has an evil house played by Katie Sigal. She

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<v Speaker 3>should have won an Emmy for this, but she did

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<v Speaker 3>it because she's only in five minutes of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a girl boss that we are rooting for

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<v Speaker 3>even though she's clearly on a destructive pass. And oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, fast forward Sarah's timeline twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, Tim Apple, there's this movie. Yeah, and also other things,

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<v Speaker 3>but most importantly, those characters are so iconic and so

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<v Speaker 3>we are here to cover. Okay, wait, should we start over?

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<v Speaker 2>No? We okay, speaking of amazing paths, we are on one.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Caitlin Deronte.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Jamie Laftus, and this is our podcast

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<v Speaker 3>where we look at your favorite movies using an intersectional

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<v Speaker 3>feminist lens through personally applied technology that we have been

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<v Speaker 3>developing over the last seven years. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes yes, and we use the Bechdel test

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<v Speaker 2>yes as a jumping off point to initiate a larger

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<v Speaker 2>conversation the Bechdel Test.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what is it? Caitlin, Get me up to speed.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. It originally appeared in

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Bechdel's comic Dykes to Watch out For in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>It was intended as just like a goof a joke

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<v Speaker 2>a lark in the comic strip, but it has been

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<v Speaker 2>made into this media test many versions of it. The

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<v Speaker 2>one that we use is this two characters of a

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<v Speaker 2>marginalized gender. They have to have names, they need to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to each other, and the conversation has to be

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<v Speaker 2>about something other than a man. And we especially like

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<v Speaker 2>it when it's a narratively impactful conversation and not just hello,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a strawberry smoothie.

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<v Speaker 3>But iconically this movie passes the Bechels test quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that there are several important exchanges between

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<v Speaker 3>particularly Pat and Sarah that you know this. I just

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<v Speaker 3>so we're covering smart house stunningly common request. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that it is one of the Disney

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<v Speaker 3>Channel original movie from nineteen ninety nine, directed by LeVar Burton.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Jump scare incredible. I know it is by most

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<v Speaker 3>people's metrics, considered to be one of the greatest d

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<v Speaker 3>cooms of all time. I think it is a millennial

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<v Speaker 3>classic and it holds up in a lot of regards

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<v Speaker 3>extremely well. And then in other regards, No, it's camp.

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<v Speaker 3>It's camp Caitlin. When Angie is jumping on her bed

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<v Speaker 3>to Bewitched Sela V. At length, it's almost like Bewitched

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<v Speaker 3>just paying them to do it, which they almost certainly are. God,

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<v Speaker 3>we have some real nineties deep cut like Bewitched Irish

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<v Speaker 3>girl group kind of a one hit wonder unless you

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<v Speaker 3>count their cover of Hey Mickey, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 3>pretty great. Okay, sure, but yeah, their big hit Seyla

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<v Speaker 3>V features heavily and then, oh my god, one of

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite songs of being like six was Ryan Merriman

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<v Speaker 3>and his Merry Troop of Boys do a choreographed d

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<v Speaker 3>I never get over this scene. It's I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like a very popular scene if you grew up with

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<v Speaker 3>this movie. But it's to a boy band called five.

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't be more of a one hit wonder, And even

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<v Speaker 3>that's kind of a stretch, but I remember them, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and their hit song was called slam Dunk the Funky

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<v Speaker 3>and m Boy did they do a choreographed dance to

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<v Speaker 3>slam Dunk the funk. Okay, I crush it. At this point,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this is the most cute boy behavior in

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<v Speaker 3>the entire world.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in It was endearing. I I did not realize

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<v Speaker 2>that was an actual song, and I just figured it

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<v Speaker 2>was like one of those like corny song like fake

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<v Speaker 2>songs that was written for this movie and inserted into

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<v Speaker 2>the movie to pretend like this is a popular song

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone knows. I did not realize it was a

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<v Speaker 2>real ass.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. So I was so like I had

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<v Speaker 3>so many older cousins that I feel like I had

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<v Speaker 3>a wealth of boy band knowledge before it even made

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<v Speaker 3>sense to because it was like everyone was like five

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<v Speaker 3>years older than me. I mean, they're like, the cutest

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<v Speaker 3>boys are in Otown. No, the cutest boys are in

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in sinc versus Backstreet Boys as the obvious one.

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<v Speaker 3>But you also have ninety degrees LFO ninety eight degrees,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you have flops like Otown and five But

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<v Speaker 3>I but Otown. Did do you remember that song? Because

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<v Speaker 3>I want it all? Oh nothing? Oh my god, so

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<v Speaker 3>many boys at this time, and we honor them boys. No,

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<v Speaker 3>that song is real I think that the houses jumping

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<v Speaker 3>is not real.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that definitely sounds like a fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Feels pretty on theme. It would be wild. If that

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<v Speaker 3>song already existed, LaVar Burton would have been jumping for joy. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they had to commission the houses jump in incredible. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So, and so the reason we're doing this movie is

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<v Speaker 2>that we discovered that all of the movies that we

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<v Speaker 2>are releasing in July, three of the four that were

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<v Speaker 2>like planned were live action Disney movies. Because we've got

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<v Speaker 2>the Hannah Montana episode that was a live show that

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<v Speaker 2>came out, we wanted to do, you know, a very

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<v Speaker 2>like American jingoist movie. So of course we were like two.

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<v Speaker 3>The Haunted Mansion's coming out, So we're doing the Haunted Mansion. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we also, I mean, I feel like even though we're

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<v Speaker 3>covering Disney movies and you know, we should go to

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<v Speaker 3>jail for that. But honestly, on a long enough timeline,

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<v Speaker 3>every movie is going to be a Disney movie, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we would have to cancel the show. It would

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<v Speaker 3>be challenging. They're simply acquiring so many things are so scary.

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<v Speaker 3>But even within these live action Disney movies, there's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a wealth of different genres. You've got like the

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<v Speaker 3>action with National Treasure two, You've got the coming of

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<v Speaker 3>age movie with Hannah Montana, You've got the horror movie

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<v Speaker 3>with Haunted Mansion, and you've got the sci fi thriller

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<v Speaker 3>that we know as Smart House. Yes, I want an

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<v Speaker 3>alternate ending to this damn movie. I would also as

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<v Speaker 3>tired as this genre of movie is, and I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it's already kind of dying off. I wouldn't hate

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<v Speaker 3>as long as LeVar Burton also directed it. I would

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<v Speaker 3>not hate Smart House too.

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<v Speaker 2>Where extremely smart House.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah is ruining the world Pat Ben has fallen in

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<v Speaker 3>love with Pat. Oh they're secretly married. Wow, he's married

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<v Speaker 3>to the house. Interesting Angie has Angie hasn't spoken to

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<v Speaker 3>the family in years. She's a communist. The dad twist

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<v Speaker 3>he's dead. Yeah, well he's my least favorite character.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sandra is basically on a path to becoming the

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<v Speaker 2>Oscar Isaac character from Ex Machina.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the many movies that this Disney Channel original

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<v Speaker 3>movie that came out twenty years before shares a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of parallels with. Yeah, this movie is so brilliant. I

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<v Speaker 3>love it. What is your history with Smart House the

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<v Speaker 3>movie though I hadn't them in I had never seen it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>wow again, how do you feel? Well, the only time

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<v Speaker 3>I watched d COM's is for this podcast. I had

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<v Speaker 3>never seen any of them. That's true, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>but I just just sort of thought you would have

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<v Speaker 3>started watching them in your spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, I did watch one, actually two of my

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<v Speaker 2>own accord and it was teen Beach Movie one and two.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember, and those movies rock and roll they do

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<v Speaker 3>rock so and they roll and don't forget they roll,

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<v Speaker 3>they rock, they roll and they rule. But aside from that,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen any dcoms on purpose. Well, this is

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<v Speaker 3>an early one and it is a classic. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>best I first saw this movie. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 3>would have seen it when it came out, as probably

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<v Speaker 3>too young when it came out, But they rerun these

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<v Speaker 3>damn things on the Disney Channel all the time, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I think probably I had seen it by the

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<v Speaker 3>time I was like ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Even a little sooner. And it's just such a fun movie.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also, like I don't know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>it captures it's definitely I think at its core a

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<v Speaker 3>cautionary tale. I would be so curious what the writing

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<v Speaker 3>process was in in terms of figuring out how to

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<v Speaker 3>end this movie in a way that wasn't terrifying to children,

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<v Speaker 3>because the ending is bizarre and feels dissonant with what

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the movie is, especially because especially because

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<v Speaker 3>Pat essentially takes her own life at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the movie, it's and then she lives in jail forever.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's the happy ending. We'll come back to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand why this movie can't end in a terrifying

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<v Speaker 3>cliffhanger because it is for eight year old But I

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<v Speaker 3>just think it's like a fascinating moment in time of

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<v Speaker 3>like excitement about technology but also fairly cautionary tale. And

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<v Speaker 3>at first I was like, Ooh, it's so random that

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<v Speaker 3>LeVar Burton would direct this, but it actually really isn't

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<v Speaker 3>because he at this point I will talk about some

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<v Speaker 3>like a couple of interviews that he did on this

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<v Speaker 3>movie's twentieth anniversary a couple of years ago, but like

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<v Speaker 3>at this point his career, he was mister Star Trek

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<v Speaker 3>and like he's playing Jordie Laforage, and he had directed

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<v Speaker 3>a ton of episodes of Star Trek, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like technological cautionary tales are in fact extremely in his wheelhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's probably one of like the most like the best,

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<v Speaker 3>most interesting choices to direct this movie. And I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like this movie accidentally really packs a punch and I

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<v Speaker 3>love it. And the stuff that holds up is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of incredible and the stuff that doesn't is I was

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<v Speaker 3>mostly laughing. I also think it's so funny that the

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<v Speaker 3>guy that plays the dad, who is by far the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest flop character, can't stand him. He's, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>with all due respect to this guy, a very weird actor,

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<v Speaker 3>where some of his lines of dialogue are like my

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<v Speaker 3>children and you're like what. He just sometimes will end

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<v Speaker 3>a conversation or like mark the entering and exiting of

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Merriman by being like my children and you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck. I also love that his name is

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Kleine.

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<v Speaker 2>Er Kevin Kleiner, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like he's Kevin Klein but more so.

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<v Speaker 2>No, wait it's not Kleiner, It's Kilner but close enough.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's Kevin Kleiner. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he had to.

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<v Speaker 3>Change it because people were just like, what do you mean, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 3>Klein's just enough. We don't need more. I like Kevin Klein.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I like him too.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's still a safe opinion to have. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, I know, you never know in this world.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that I think I like Kevin Klein. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't say that for all we say cautiously. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's no one's going to be the top

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin of all time. You know who that is? Kaitlyn,

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin le Mignon, Kevin le Mignon. That's exactly right below. Okay, Bello,

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<v Speaker 3>wake up. Smells it hot, bananas, smell the hot. But enough?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, wait really quick, Okay, this is This

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<v Speaker 3>episode will have a bit of a Matreon feel to

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<v Speaker 3>it for those of you on our Matreon, because when

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<v Speaker 3>it's just the two of us, it's just tangents all day.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom and I because we have my family's had

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<v Speaker 3>a biannual timeshare on the outskirts of Orlando for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 3>and next summer is our trip and my mom has

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<v Speaker 3>specifically set it up so that I can meet her

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<v Speaker 3>in Florida to see Despicable Me for with her at CityWalk. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>she's so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, Is there a Minions ride at Universal Inn Orlando?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it's like it's it's kind of like Kevin

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<v Speaker 3>klein Er. Then the Minions ride at University Studios Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>They they're building out like a whole new like land section.

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<v Speaker 3>That's even. That's because I think at at Universal Studios Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 3>it's sort of like just the theme park from Dispicable

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<v Speaker 3>Me One, but they're going full Minions. They're like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're doing villain con. We're going for it. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't wait. It's gonna be great. The Minions are from

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<v Speaker 3>what I can tell, they're busting out of jail yet again.

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<v Speaker 3>These rascals. I love them. The Minions are anti cars

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<v Speaker 3>role and that's canon. Okay. Smart House, I watched it

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<v Speaker 3>a lot when I was a kid. I actually had

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<v Speaker 3>seen it pretty recently because my boyfriend was homeschooled and

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have cable and hadn't seen Smart House, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I had to fix that. And now it's fixed. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so excited to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Great. Shall we get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Let's take a quick break first, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back for the recap. Poopye Bellow we're back. Margan's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the recap of Smart House. We meet a house,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not just any house, Jamie. It's a smart house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this house, This house has brains for days. I

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<v Speaker 3>love a good I was trying to think of other

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<v Speaker 3>movies that open with some sort of suburban paper Boy gag.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like there's other movies that start with paper Boys.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't Barbin Star open, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it does. Oh my god. Okay, that's a superior

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<v Speaker 3>paper Boy scene. But I feel like, yeah, paper Boy

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<v Speaker 3>scenes or you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Paper childer person, paper Person, paper Child is a little

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<v Speaker 4>scary sounding there, And I mean, and then you have

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<v Speaker 4>that's the ultimate.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's paper Boy the movie. God, I've been

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<v Speaker 3>listening to it. So I've been listening to the sound

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<v Speaker 3>truck so much it's going to show up on my

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<v Speaker 3>Spotify year endless. Very embarrassing. Anyways, we start with a

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<v Speaker 3>classic paper Boy scene which will pay off later, believe

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<v Speaker 3>it or not. I love, I mean love love. We've

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<v Speaker 3>got LeVar Burton at the Helm. There's not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a loop left unresolved.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no. Okay, So we meet this smart house,

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<v Speaker 2>which was designed by a woman named Sarah Barnes played

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<v Speaker 2>by Jessica Steen, yes, who designed this house and gave

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<v Speaker 2>it all of these like advanced capabilities which we will

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<v Speaker 2>learn more about in a little bit. But basically, the

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<v Speaker 2>house has this AI operating system called PAT, which stands

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<v Speaker 2>for peepee, poo, pooh and toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's exactly. We are just really smart people. Yeah, yes, boy,

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<v Speaker 3>smarter even than the house. Voiced by Katie Segal who

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<v Speaker 3>I never watched this show, but I know a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people know her as Peggy Bundy, unmarried with children

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<v Speaker 3>as well as I didn't. No, she's also Leela on Futurama.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's what I recognized her voice from. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, right, whose voice is this? I know this?

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<v Speaker 2>And then turns out Futurama.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a legend. Everyone loves her and she is also pad.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved thinking about Katie Sagal in just like a

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<v Speaker 3>vo booth doing ninety percent of the work for this movie,

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<v Speaker 3>where it's just like her saying Ben like fifty times

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<v Speaker 3>now Ben now Ben. Oh my god. She's so like mommy,

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<v Speaker 3>Like she's so I mean, it's wild. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>am a mother like no other You're like, what, ugh, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, So Sarah again, that's the designer slash engineer

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<v Speaker 2>of the house. Not really exactly sure what her job is.

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<v Speaker 3>A little wonky, but it wasn't ex Moki and iye

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, she's a woman in stem it's safe to say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And she has launched this contest where some lucky family

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<v Speaker 2>will win the house. And that really begs the question

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<v Speaker 2>why would they not sell what would probably be a

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<v Speaker 2>very like lucrative house to sell, but they're just giving

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<v Speaker 2>it away.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't as thrown by that as why have they

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<v Speaker 3>not had Sarah live there for a while or had

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<v Speaker 3>someone like test run the house that eats your blood

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<v Speaker 3>when you walk in. It seems like there would be

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of but I guess, you know, even with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of tech today, the regulation just isn't there.

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<v Speaker 3>And sometimes it takes the house almost killing a family.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean to realize that maybe there should have been

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<v Speaker 3>some sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of self driving cars that run people over, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of my biggest issues with this movie

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<v Speaker 3>is like people should be more mad at Sarah than

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<v Speaker 3>they are, but they're always like, no girl boss, like

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<v Speaker 3>she's doing her best, and I was like, she made this,

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<v Speaker 3>she made the house is trying to eat you anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my head canon was that the reason they're giving

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<v Speaker 2>it away rather than like putting it on the market

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<v Speaker 2>to sell is that it's like a prototype that they

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<v Speaker 2>want to test out via a family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would make sense, And it's also like that's

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<v Speaker 3>so dcom of like starting a movie with a kid

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<v Speaker 3>winning a contest that you're kind of like, yeah, happens

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<v Speaker 3>all the time in these movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it? Okay? So then we meet Ben Cooper, who's

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<v Speaker 2>played by Ryan Merriman of Final Destination three. Oh fame?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what the one?

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<v Speaker 3>That's not what he is most famous for. He is

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the king of d COM's for like he

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<v Speaker 3>is like running this channel for some time. He has

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<v Speaker 3>three classic Disney Channel original movies that he stars and

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<v Speaker 3>back to back to back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He is, of course Ben Cooper in Smart House? Who

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<v Speaker 3>could forget Ben Cooper? Smart House? Not me hang out

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<v Speaker 3>with mister Cooper basically. Two years later, he is in

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<v Speaker 3>iconic basketball film The Luck of the Irish, where he

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<v Speaker 3>plays himself as well as he but he's like a

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<v Speaker 3>basketball player He's always a basketball player in these movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Disney loves because the characters in high school musical play

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh carbon blue. Well, I guess Zach got front. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the first one's very basketball code it yeah, just

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<v Speaker 3>like a thirteen year old playing basketball. This channel can't

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<v Speaker 3>resist it. So The Luck of the Irish is a

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<v Speaker 3>movie about Ryan Merriman, who's a like teenage basketball player

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<v Speaker 3>who then is turned into a leprechaun. And it's funny

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<v Speaker 3>because now he is too short to play basketball. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>and then he is in kind of a serious one

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<v Speaker 3>that I don't remember as being very good, but a

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<v Speaker 3>young Misha Barton is in it, and it's called a

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<v Speaker 3>Ring of Endless Life. Oh my, it's a sad one.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he was like, I need to get the

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<v Speaker 3>fuck out of here. I'm gonna go star in Final

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<v Speaker 3>Destination three and later iconically for big fans of Pretty

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<v Speaker 3>Little Liars, he does play a pretty pivotal early character

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<v Speaker 3>in Pretty Little Liars and he's killed by a bell

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<v Speaker 3>at the church and then he wasn't on the show

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<v Speaker 3>after that. He has really been exclusively in really campy

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<v Speaker 3>movies for his entire career. It's interesting. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think Smart House is sort of his big claim to

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<v Speaker 3>finish his first big or just like his first big thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think he's talented. I think he's a good

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<v Speaker 3>child actor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Lukewarm, Yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ben Cooper is a thirteen year old boy who

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<v Speaker 2>has been entering that contest to win the smart House

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<v Speaker 2>so that he and his younger sister Angie and his

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<v Speaker 2>dad Nick that's Kevin Liner Nill Nurse Slash Kleiner can

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<v Speaker 2>move into the Smart House.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to add really quickly that to just

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<v Speaker 3>close the loop on this whole basketball thing. At the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning of the movie, you know that Ryan Merriman's character

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<v Speaker 3>likes basketball because he's playing basketball outside. But in case

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<v Speaker 3>that wasn't clear enough, his sweatshirt also just has a

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<v Speaker 3>picture of a basketball on it. And it's that cinematic

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<v Speaker 3>subtlety that leads me to believe maybe this kid likes basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>And so later when Kevin Kleiner's like, why don't you

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<v Speaker 3>play basketball, I'm like, why doesn't he play basketball? He's

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<v Speaker 3>obsessed with basketball?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he tells us it's because he's too busy being

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<v Speaker 2>the body of the family.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that Ben is an interesting character. Anyways, the

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<v Speaker 3>outfits are camp great, They're amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm laughing at the picture you just sent me.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ben, like we said, he's like quote unquote mommy

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<v Speaker 2>because he's doing a lot of the household chores and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the work to keep the family together,

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<v Speaker 2>and he knows that a smart house could help pick

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<v Speaker 2>up the slack. So that's why he's so adamant about

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<v Speaker 2>entering and hopefully winning this contest. The next day, the

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<v Speaker 2>contest winner is announced and it's Ben, and he finds

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<v Speaker 2>out at school and his friends are like, wow, good

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<v Speaker 2>job Ben.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a very nineteen ninety nine reason that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>find out at home, and it's because he's on the

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<v Speaker 3>internet too late, so the phone, the landline can't ring.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you don't understand what that means, then congratulations,

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<v Speaker 3>you're You should ask your parents before you listen to that. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they also call a landline and leave a

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<v Speaker 2>message on the answering machine, which they don't get because

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<v Speaker 2>they're not at home. Very nineteen ninety nine problems.

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<v Speaker 3>There used to be so many ways to not know things.

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<v Speaker 3>I miss it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So his friends are congratulating him. And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>also this kid Ryan I think it's his name who

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<v Speaker 2>bully's Ben, Yeah, which you can tell because of how

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<v Speaker 2>spiky his hair is exactly, and he calls the bully.

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<v Speaker 2>His big mean nickname for Ben is Benny Boy. He's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Benny Boy, do my homework for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, we need to punch up Ryan's I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>scared enough of him. I like, yeah, I love that. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think that this is like still kind

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<v Speaker 3>of true in children's media, but it's like if if

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<v Speaker 3>an actor has spiky hair, it means they're either a

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<v Speaker 3>bully or just a general little stinker or is not

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<v Speaker 3>flat if you're a little stinker.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, like Ben's hair is pretty spiky. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that was just he's a little stinker. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a little stinker, but he's also mommy. I love Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rooting for him, but the way he talks to

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<v Speaker 2>his little sister is so evil. He's so mean to

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<v Speaker 2>his sister. He's so mean to Sarah. He does not

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<v Speaker 2>respect women.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he doesn't, except he loves Pat.

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<v Speaker 2>He loves Pat and he loves his dead mom. Because yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a Disney movie. Therefore, there is a dead mom.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna need to kill the mom. Yeah, yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ben and Angie and their dad Nick meet Sarah,

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<v Speaker 2>who acquaints them with the smart house and with the

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<v Speaker 2>operating system pat.

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<v Speaker 3>And Nick is like, hubba hubbah. Oh. Nick is such

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<v Speaker 3>a fucking adult. He like when he learns that they

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<v Speaker 3>won a free house in the newspaper, he immediately was like,

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<v Speaker 3>who is that hubble. I was like, you just want

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<v Speaker 3>a house? Do you? Weirdo? Oh Corney, and you're on

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<v Speaker 3>the phone with your ten year old son and stop

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 3>being horny. This is yet another movie. This is also

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<v Speaker 3>very era specific of like a movie in which a

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<v Speaker 3>young girl is obsessed with the sex life of her father.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's just, oh, it's so weird, Like I

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.719
<v Speaker 3>want a new Mommy, shut up, Ben, let dad go

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 3>have sex with this lady.

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like why, And then Ben is like, absolutely not.

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Our dad is never going to fuck again.

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.959
<v Speaker 3>He's also obsessed. And then also the dad is so

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.120
<v Speaker 3>willing to engage in that conversation where it's like, were

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 3>I Kevin Kleiner, I would be like, shut up, you guys,

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:47.199
<v Speaker 3>Like it's not your business right, but also he is

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 3>welcoming the discussion by being such a weirdo and being

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 3>like ooh a woga, Like, yeah, weird family, weird, weird family.

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a very interesting dynamic.

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 3>They're going through a lot, but for crying out loud, yeah, okay.

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 2>So then we learn about what Pat is able to do.

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Pat is basically Ai and Pat's able to observe each

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>member of the family and learn more and more about

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.120
<v Speaker 2>them and then like make adjustments along the way. Blood

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>she eats her blood blood just so she knows more

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 2>about your blood.

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 3>This this all feels like they're especially the kitchen because

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 3>I remember thinking the kitchen and then the floor observers,

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 3>where like if you spill something, the floor eats it. Yes,

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.919
<v Speaker 3>I think that that was like, and then the huge

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 3>well anyways, but like there was so much about the

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 3>house that was really really cool, and a lot of

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 3>it is just like ripoffs of like Star Trek things

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 3>that existed forever, which again makes total sense because of

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 3>the director. But I just remember thinking this house was

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 3>so damn cool and now I think it's very scary

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 3>and not worth it. And did the do you remember

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 3>the Daniel Kluya episode of Black Mirror.

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, which one's what's the plot?

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like almost ten years ago, but it's basically like

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:07.719
<v Speaker 3>people live in these future pods where like all your need.

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 3>There's there's two references of like what the big because

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 3>in in the Smart House there are rooms that are

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 3>just huge TV screens and they're supposed to be able

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 3>to like take you anywhere. They can make you feel

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 3>like you're at a basketball game or of five concert

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 3>or the jungle. And the two things that it reminded

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 3>me of was, yeah, there's a Black Mirror episode where

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 3>it's supposed to be like really cool that Daniel Khalulia

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 3>is able to live in this pod and it really

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 3>gamifies your life and it's supposed to be fun. And

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 3>then of course it's Black Mirror episodes, so it turns

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 3>out to be bad actually, but the that's very reductive,

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 3>but like that is the whole show. Yeah, and they

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 3>sleep in rooms like that. The other one that it

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 3>reminds me of is a Ray Bradberry story, Like I

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 3>have to imagine that LeVar Burton has read this story.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if the writers had read this story. I

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 3>remembered it from when I was a kid. But it's

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 3>a short story called the Velt. I meant to read

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 3>it before we did this, but I didn't have time.

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 3>But it's about a family that moves into the Happy

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Life Home filled with machines. I'm reading from scholarly journal Wikipedia,

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>of course. The Hadley family lives in an automated house

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 3>called the Happy Life Home, filled with machines that aid

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 3>them in completing everyday tasks. Blah blah blah blah blah.

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 3>The two children, Peter and Wendy, enjoy time in the nursery,

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 3>a virtual reality room able to realistically reproduce any place

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 3>they imagine, and grow increasingly attached to it, which is

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 3>very like I feel like they go out of the

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 3>way to show you this room. And Sarah's like, you

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 3>can feel like you're in anywhere, like the Savannah or

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Cape Cod. I think those are her only two ideas.

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 3>But the way that story ends, because the kids are

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 3>getting more attached to spending time in the nursery, the

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>parents start to be like, mmm, we don't know, like

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 3>we kind of like for our kids to go outside

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 3>and interact with people. The kids grow very hostile when

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 3>this is suggested. Okay, fast forwarding to the end. Spoiler

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 3>alert for this story that came out in nineteen fifty.

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 3>When the parents come to fetch them, the children lock

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 3>their parents into the nursery with so what they it's

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 3>so VR in the story that they basically set up

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 3>the nursery to emulate a savannah full of lions, lock

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 3>their parents in the room, and the parents die.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I think I read this story too, because this sounds

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>very familiar.

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 3>I wish that spartause ended like I feel like if

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 3>they had had, if this was not on the Disney Channel,

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 3>this movie could have ended so differently. But I felt

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 3>I'd be so curious. I looked to see if there

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 3>was any reference to it in like the marketing around

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 3>this movie, which of course there wasn't because it was

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>a Disney Channel movie. But I have to imagine that

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 3>people like the creative team of this movie knew about

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 3>this story, and like it feels like that room is

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.959
<v Speaker 3>a direct reference to like the scary VR room is

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 3>direct reference to.

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>It, especially because there is that moment where they project

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 2>a savannah savannah right, like elephants and apex predators and.

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 3>Stuff, right, and then and and Angie gets scared and

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 3>then Sarah's like, okay, I'll turn it off. Yeah, you're

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 3>just and that sort of it because it's a Disney movie.

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, whoa are they bradburying right now?

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god? I yeah, I it maybe want to

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 3>read more Ray Bradberry. I read that in I think

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 3>like sixth grade, and it scared the shit out of me,

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 3>but in a good way. Yeah. Anyways, I just wanted

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 3>to shout out the velt and then also like the

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Happy Life Home Pat. It's the same thing. It's the

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 3>same thing. But they're like, but what if this was

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 3>only sort of bad? What if we trapped Pat there?

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 3>I if so bizarre? Anyways, Sorry, I just wanted to

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 3>I guess that that's sort of context corner a little bit. Sure, Sure, no,

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 3>it's all. It's all very helpful.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 2>And Pat, in a addition to those things, can also

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 2>like make a bunch of food and serve it to

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>the family, like you said, absorb things into the floor

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>if you spill. Let's say you request a strawberry smoothie

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 2>and then the strawberry smoothie comes out and for some

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 2>reason it's blue and not like pink like you might expect.

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 3>And commercial and then you spill your.

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Blue strawberry smoothie onto the floor, Well, the floor absorbers,

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 2>incredible creative naming device will break absorb the spill.

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 3>They only had twenty minutes to write this movie, I'm sure,

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 3>I think. Yeah, I thought that that was so funny,

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 3>and it reminds me of the most futuristic appliance I own,

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 3>which I know I've talked about on the show because

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm so cocky about it, is my automated spaceship litter

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 3>box for flea. Oh yes, and it's kind of floor

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 3>adjacent in that the poo poo does disappear. But then

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 3>it made me think. I was like, but all that

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 3>does go somewhere, and it's gonna be a stinky day

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 3>when you have to empty out the floor absorbers. That's

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 3>gonna be a bad day. Anyways, Did you know that

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 3>LeVar Burton talked to NASA to research how to like

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 3>make this house cool? It all feels or sorry not

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 3>not LeVar Burtons, the guy who wrote the movie. One

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 3>of the two male writers of the movie, Stu Kreeger.

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Because Stu Kreeger also he's kind of a spacehead. Guess

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 3>what other dcom he wrote?

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:39.439
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't say.

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 3>Xenon Girl of the twenty first century. That's right. This

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 3>guy loves vaguely late nineties space technology, and I guess

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:49.399
<v Speaker 3>that he had like a plug at NASA that would

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 3>help him like write in ideas.

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. Interesting. Yeah, So here's what happened with me

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 2>watching this movie. I forgot that decoms of this era

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 2>have budgets of like eleven dollars and yeah, look like shit.

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So I had in my head because I knew the

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 2>premise of this movie, and I knew it would be

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 2>like futuristic high tech house stuff, and so I figured

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 2>that the kind of production design of the movie would

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 2>reflect the you know, high tech capabilities of this house.

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>That is incorrect.

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, of course not. It's a I'm sure

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 3>that this was like a general house set on a

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 3>studio a lot that they like added some dingle hoppers

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 3>to to make it seem like a little fancier. But yeah,

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.439
<v Speaker 3>it's just like a sitcom set basically, Yeah, with the

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 3>sort of clunkily edited in like video screen rooms. But

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 3>I will say, like, as a kid that loved this movie,

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 3>it did feel like the moments they chose to show

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 3>what the house could do. It felt like it was

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.479
<v Speaker 3>enough for me. The kitchen like the snacks when when

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 3>the girls are at the party and they get Infinity snacks.

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:12.879
<v Speaker 3>Pat's control room like the claw outside. You're like, oh yeah,

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 3>when you think about it, it's a lot of camera

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 3>trickery and just being told that this can happen. Right,

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 3>But I was I was duped. I thought it was awesome.

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean, when you're eight years old, it will seem impressive.

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 3>It's true.

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>When you're thirty seven, not so much.

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Kila, Why are you dunking on this amazing movie? Why

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 3>don't you make smart house and call me back?

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Why am I? They went to NASA? They went to NASA.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Dunk dunk the house is dunk or the jump jump

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 2>jump dunking the funk. Sorry I got my lyrics confused.

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Slam dunk the funk and then jump jump the house

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>is jumping.

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.879
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yes, sorry, really complicated lore.

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So the family settles into the new house and

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 2>they love it. Everything's great. Nick starts working from home

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and he's finding that he can be way more productive

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>at work.

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 3>His job is the he ships baseball bats. I think

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 3>is that because there's one scene where Pat is yelling.

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean this is later in the movie, but Pat's like,

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 3>get back to work, Buster. But he is like on

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 3>this call where he's like, all right, make sure all

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 3>the bats and gloves get there by the end of

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 3>the week. As like, what is this man's job? I

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 3>think that he is a sports equipment shipping guy. Guy

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, vague, very vague, but sure. And then

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 3>when when Ben calls him at the beginning, he's in

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 3>front of a bunch of baseball looking things. I think

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.320
<v Speaker 3>he's like king of the bats.

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Sure, and well then he brings Ben home a basketball

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 2>to remind us once again that Ben looks basketball right.

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so he's so, I mean, he's got range.

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not just bats and gloves.

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's also other things.

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So.

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Nick like the house is helping him be more productive

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>at his job at school. This popular girl named Gwen,

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>who Ben has a crush on, is like, hey, Ben,

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 2>you should invite me over to your cool house. And

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 2>so everyone's like, wow, this house is really doing one

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>for us.

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Jump in it is jump jump.

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 2>But oh no, Pat malfunctions while trying to make smoothies.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Smoothies are with oranges, Yes, Smoothies are a big motif

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 2>in this movie, and sometimes they are.

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Just too much. I think they're going so smoothie anymore.

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 3>It makes you think.

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 2>You think the irony of Pat malfunctioning and not running

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>smoothly because she's trying to make smoothies is literary genius.

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Ray Bradberry could never she could not.

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Pat malfunctions and we're like, hmm, foreshadowing much so.

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Nick has Sarah come over to see what went wrong,

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and Sarah stays for dinner, which makes Ben furious because

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.879
<v Speaker 2>again he thinks that Sarah is trying to replace his mom,

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and he's really mean and condescending to her, and he

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>storms off.

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 3>We'll return to this conversation. Yeah, I do think it

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 3>is kind of amazing that Sarah has a pet rat

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 3>named Butler.

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 2>She's like, like, rat Butler, get it?

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 3>And I don't get it. It's what is that a reference?

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.479
<v Speaker 2>A reference to Rhet Butler, who was.

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh gone with the wind? Yeah, what a bizarre

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 3>reference to make in a d comt. But at least

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Ryan Merriman's like, what shut up? That is weird behavior

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 3>to name your rat after a racist movie character. But

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I liked that she had a rat.

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's not like the other women in stem.

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 3>No, she's dated a bunch of serial killers and she

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 3>has a pet rat. They didn't need to write that down,

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 3>but they did, and I think it's interesting. Well, the

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 3>rat is.

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Another thing that is planted and will pay off. Oh yeah,

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 2>so that's why we need the rat.

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anyway, that's just that Stu Kreeger magic.

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. So Nick goes to talk to Ben and

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:47.439
<v Speaker 2>he's like, son, you're taking on too much. You don't

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>have to work so hard to take care of us.

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:52.400
<v Speaker 2>And Ben is like, well, yeah, I don't have to

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 2>work so hard anymore because now we have Pat. She's

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>going to be mummy now. And Nick is like, well,

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 2>don't forget, she's just a machine. And then Ben goes

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>into the control room of the house and has Pat

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 2>watch a bunch of nineteen fifties sitcoms to show Pat

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>how to be more maternal.

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like Ben, Ben, Now, Ben, why not choose

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 3>more current videos?

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Were anything else? Yeah, well we will return to this because.

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I also I just like, I don't know you, like,

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to bully this eleven year old character.

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Too much. But I'm just like this kid should be

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:43.120
<v Speaker 3>in therapy, Like Kevin Kleiner needs to get this kid

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 3>into therapy. Like he's I feel bad because it's like

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>he does all this shitty, little stinker stuff that's super

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 3>misguided and sucks. But it's also like it's obvious that

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 3>like he and his dad, like he doesn't really have

0:41:56.040 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 3>anyone to talk to about his mom. He's like not

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 3>been able to like properly grieve about it, and like

0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I understand from a kid's perspective of like he feels

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.320
<v Speaker 3>like his mom is trying to be replaced and he

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 3>feels like he can't talk about her ever, which like

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 3>has to be really hard on a kid, and you

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 3>would like probably lash out and do a bunch of

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 3>weird stuff and all of that. I just but it's

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 3>like the movie. The way the movie handles it, it's

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 3>very you know, glazed over fantasy stuff. But it's like

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 3>this poor kid, like he hasn't been able to grieve

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 3>his mom and literally no one will talk to him

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 3>about it. And it's like not that it's that his

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 3>dad shouldn't be allowed to move on, like of course,

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 3>but it's like it doesn't seem like there's ever been

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 3>like a structured conversation about it, right, And it seems

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 3>like these like reactions from Ben could at least be

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 3>like tempered, even if it doesn't change how he feels.

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 3>It's like, I feel like you do, oh you know

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 3>your kid a conversation of like, hey, I'm going to

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 3>start seeing people and like this is like how do

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 3>you feel about that? And let's talk about it blah

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 3>blah blah. But Kevin Kleiner's like, shut up, I'm gonna

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:12.400
<v Speaker 3>fuck like there, you know. But then in other and

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 3>then eventually he feels bad about it. But I was

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 3>just like this dad is a mess. So in that way,

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 3>it's hyper realistic.

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's one conversation towards the beginning where Ben says

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 2>something like our family is perfect the way it is,

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 2>and then his dad is like, well, I think there's

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.280
<v Speaker 2>a little room for improvement.

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 3>And it's like that's such a cruel thing to say

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 3>to children. You're a grieving child. I yeah, I feel

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 3>I feel for bad I have. I'm lucky to have

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 3>not lost a parent before, but like it just seems

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 3>like he has no support whatsoever, and his dad is

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know either like emotionally repressed or like

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have the skill set to like talk to his

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 3>son about it, and then is bringing someone new into

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 3>his kids' lives, which, of course, like every parent is

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 3>going to be different about the timeline for that, But

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:10.840
<v Speaker 3>I just I don't know, like Ben, Like it doesn't

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 3>excuse Ben being a little shitthead at so many points

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 3>in this movie. But I also just feel like he

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 3>just has very little support because his sister like probably

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 3>would want to support him if she could, but like

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 3>she doesn't remember her mom well enough to do it right.

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 3>And then his dad won't talk to him about it,

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 3>and I'm just like, buddy, we got to get you

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 3>into counseling. Anyways, he doesn't. That doesn't happen. He instead

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:37.800
<v Speaker 3>shows Pat a bunch of you. I think, like Pat

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.760
<v Speaker 3>literally gets radicalized by the YouTube algorithm.

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Ben is like, here's some here's some shows.

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>And the titles of these shows are mother Knows Best,

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>My Three Moms, which it's like, okay, what's that show about?

0:44:56.040 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Make Room for Mama and Noah's matriarch hilarious, And so

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Pat absorbs these so that she can learn to be

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 2>more motherly, which works because the next day Pat is like,

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 2>brush your teeth, darling, take your vitamin's honey, bunny, here's

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>a cupcake, sweetie pie. And then she's also like a dad,

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 2>you worry about business, I'll worry about taking care of

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 2>the kids.

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 3>I thought, it's like, it's kind of interesting commentary on

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 3>like media of that time, but also it kind of

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 3>goes nowhere, right. I just wanted to quickly shout out

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.799
<v Speaker 3>the fact that, for some baffling reason, we get to

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 3>see dad in Sarah's whole date while Ben is throwing

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 3>his party before Pat is put on the straight and

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 3>narrow path of being a real disciplinarian kind of parent house.

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 3>But I just think it's every time kids movie. I'm

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 3>like I in my long career of being a child

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 3>watching movies on the Disney Channel, I never want that

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>any given point was like what's happening on their dad's date?

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 3>And right, but they always show it to you. And

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 3>in this one, for some reason, they show you this

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 3>like ah, they kiss you and she because he has

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.479
<v Speaker 3>a little hershey kiss in his bag and then he's

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 3>like kiss and like, I hate this guy so corny.

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:33.800
<v Speaker 3>She's like objectively too good for him, Like she's literally

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 3>a super genius and this guy is a flop parent

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 3>who's like, but leave her alone.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So Ben is like, Wow, it's like my plan

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:52.759
<v Speaker 2>is working. And then off screen I could like not

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>track this sequence of events really or like why this

0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 2>was us anyway? Off screen, Ben ends up to his

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 2>bully at the advice of his dad. But Ben, it's

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 2>beaten up very.

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Quickly, and then like, yeah, they the bully. I guess

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 3>it's like good that they don't show it right, but like,

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 3>but why does that happen? Yeah? Yeah, Like what's his name?

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Ryan, Ryan the Bully?

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.239
<v Speaker 3>Ryan the Bully kicks the shit out of him, which

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 3>again seems like okay, Kevin Kleiner, this is a good

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 3>point to like talk to this school, like do something,

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.399
<v Speaker 3>but he's a flop, so he does not do anything right.

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I do not know why this subplot with the bully

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 2>is in the movie. Doesn't really connect it anything else.

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.840
<v Speaker 3>All it really does for me is like reinforce what

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 3>a shitty parent Nick is, where it's like the first

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 3>time he bothers to give his son any advice, he

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 3>gets the shit kicked out of him, right, and you're

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 3>just like, well, I don't know, maybe Pat. I think

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.439
<v Speaker 3>Pat is kind of a better parent. Sorry, wow, I.

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Mean, let's let's find out. So Ben. So, after he's

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 2>been beaten up, Ben is feeling down and he's also

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 2>still really missing his mom, and you know, Sarah is

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 2>around more and more, and he feels very threatened that

0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:24.280
<v Speaker 2>she's gonna come in and like quote unquote replace his mom.

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 2>So then he watches a video which reminded me of

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 2>remember on the John Wick episode we were talking about

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Deadwife dot mp four. He watches Dead Mom dot MLV.

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 3>He does, he really does, and she and it's just

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:44.920
<v Speaker 3>like so, I mean, it's like it makes sense in

0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 3>a movie of this era. And then most I mean

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 3>it's just as vague and Dead Wife dot mp four

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 3>she's like, John, come on, John, You're like what are

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 3>you talking about? Like why are you on the beach?

0:48:56.280 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 3>What's happening? And then this one, at least it's a

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 3>little more grounded, but she's like running around the kitchen

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 3>being like, mom is gonna buy you? A mocking classic

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 3>mom behavior and then she's like yeah, it uh, it's

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 3>it's very I thought it was like sweet. It was

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 3>like if they're going to dead mom route. I feel

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 3>like Disney movies usually just elect to uh not reference

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 3>grief at all. This one does, at least like you

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.880
<v Speaker 3>would do. Like, even when what Ben's doing sucks in

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 3>the context of a kid who hasn't been able to

0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 3>properly grief his parent, at least it does make sense.

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 3>But it's like that seems really sad, even though the

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 3>video is kind of funny.

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's it's sad and he's crying.

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 3>And Ryan Merryman, he is really good in that scene.

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Someone saw that and they're like, what what if he

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 3>was a basketball playing leprechaun. Wow, he's got the range,

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 3>he's got the.

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So he's watching this video and Pat is observing.

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Of course she's always watching. Meanwhile, Nick calls Sarah and

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 2>asks her out to dinner on Saturday night, which she accepts,

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 2>and Pat overhears Nick talking to Sarah about how he

0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 2>wishes that Ben was able to have more fun. So

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.879
<v Speaker 2>Pat gets the idea to invite Ben's friends over for

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a party the following night, and so a bunch of

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 2>kids from school show up. This is where we get

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>them doing a choreographed dance.

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Another scene that passes the back of test. Angie's working

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 3>the door for some reason, and there's two girls that

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 3>show up give their full names, and Angie says, get

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:49.000
<v Speaker 3>the fuck out of here, and.

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh my god, this party is so exclusive.

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.800
<v Speaker 3>But I love that pass. That was a good one.

0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.840
<v Speaker 2>It was really fun. So the kids are showing up

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 2>to party, including Ben's crush, Gwen Ben and Gwen Ben Gwen. Okay, hello, a.

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 3>Little bit too twiny for me, but sure too much rhyming,

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:13.759
<v Speaker 3>too much. Taylor Laughner married someone named Taylor, and you're like,

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you're very in love, but this should not

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 3>be legal.

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I will not even consider dating anyone that has the

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>first name of any one I'm related to.

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:26.759
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it would be really difficult for me

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 3>to definitely someone with my own name. But even like James,

0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:34.280
<v Speaker 3>I sort of like I couldn't do it. It's too confusing.

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>My grandparents' names were Patrick and Patricia. Oh, and they

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 3>thought it was hysteria.

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 2>And pat Were they smart houses?

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 3>No, they weren't very smart houses, but they were good people.

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And.

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 3>Anyways, sorry I just called my grandparents not smart. Let's

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 3>move on.

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we've got Ben and Gwen. And then also

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 2>the bully Ryan In shows up to the party because

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Pat invited him so that she could publicly.

0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Amiliate she wants to kick his ass. She I feel

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.399
<v Speaker 3>like if this was a Ray Bradberry story, she would

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 3>have killed him. Yeah.

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, like to capitate him, like Megan did that to

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 2>someone who bullied her friend Katie. It's yeah, absolutely, So

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Pat humiliates the bully and he goes running away. Meanwhile,

0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>like you said, we cut to the date that Nick

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:33.720
<v Speaker 2>and Sarah are on, we see them kissing, and then.

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 3>I was like, maybe it's just the fact that I

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 3>watched this movie when I was really little, But when

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 3>they kiss I'm still like yucky. It's also unnecessary for

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:49.320
<v Speaker 3>the plot. Yeah, yeah, listeners, please sound off other movies

0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 3>that do this, like a kid's movie that includes a

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:56.120
<v Speaker 3>weird amount of insight on the parents' love life that

0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.360
<v Speaker 3>the core audience for these movies couldn't possibly give a

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 3>shit about. It's also Mary Kate Nashley where you just

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:05.720
<v Speaker 3>see the dad on that dating montage, You're like, who cares?

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Which one was that?

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Was that Bill boil Bird dad? Was Billboard Dad? We're

0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 3>gonna have to return to that well spring at some point,

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:14.719
<v Speaker 3>but we've got time.

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:21.919
<v Speaker 2>Mary Kate and Ashley August or something. Okay, So Nick

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.760
<v Speaker 2>heads home from the date while the party is still happening,

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.839
<v Speaker 2>so Ben and Angie have to like kick everyone out

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 2>and clean up the house via Pat's floor absorbers. But

0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.239
<v Speaker 2>oh no, they missed something and Nick comes home and

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.360
<v Speaker 2>he sees it, so they get in trouble for throwing

0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the party. But Pat is like, no, no, no, it

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 2>was my fault. I invited everyone to the party, which

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:47.840
<v Speaker 2>is true, and so Nick is like, Pat, you gotta

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:49.799
<v Speaker 2>get yourself under control.

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pull it together. Pat. You can't just throw awesome

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 3>parties with my cool son.

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 2>You can't have the house be jumping.

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 3>The cows can't just be jumping like that.

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 2>So Pat is like absolutely, of course I will simmer down.

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:15.760
<v Speaker 2>So then Pat starts like policing the family, what clothes

0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>they wear, what they do. She's like, you gotta finish

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:25.360
<v Speaker 2>your homework and your baseball selling job before you do

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:29.880
<v Speaker 2>anything fun. And then they're like, well this sucks. So

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:32.359
<v Speaker 2>they have Sarah come over to see if she can

0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:36.760
<v Speaker 2>fix this new mode that Pat is in, and Sarah

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 2>decides to shut the whole system down and give Pat

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 2>a rest, but Pat turns herself back on mocking. Meanwhile,

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Ben is throwing another fit about how his dad is

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:56.840
<v Speaker 2>falling in love with Sarah and how he thinks Sarah's

0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna replace his mom, and Nick sits him down and

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 2>he's like, that's not what's happening, and they have like

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a really tender, nice conversation I thought, But I thought

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 2>so too.

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.799
<v Speaker 3>I liked that scene and I'm just again feeling for

0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:14.359
<v Speaker 3>this fictional kid. I was like, wow, Nick, it would

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.279
<v Speaker 3>have been really cool if you had this conversation with

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Ben four year years ago. Why is it taking the

0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 3>house that eats blood to force you to have this conversation?

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I thought that that was nice. And they're

0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 3>in that scene, Nick is like, well I lost my

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:37.319
<v Speaker 3>wife and You're like, damn, that's true. But uh yeah,

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:38.839
<v Speaker 3>I thought that that scene was really sweet. And it's

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 3>also I think pretty rare in the space of a

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 3>movie that stars a boy to have a even when

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 3>it's like very very misguided, to be like as emotionally

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:54.279
<v Speaker 3>expressive as Ben is. Sure, yeah, and then also that

0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.839
<v Speaker 3>like a father son conversation about their feelings. I feel

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 3>like in nineteen ninety nine. That's like, that's pretty solid.

0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:02.719
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make Nick a better parent. He's still a

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 3>piece of shit parent. And I think he's still really

0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:10.440
<v Speaker 3>playing fast and loose with bringing someone new into the

0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:13.759
<v Speaker 3>house before he's talked to his kids about it in

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 3>a way that's also like fucked up in like kind

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:19.960
<v Speaker 3>of disrespectful to Sarah too, because he keeps just being

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 3>like my children, And I was like, dude, yeah, you're

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:25.880
<v Speaker 3>hurting everyone's feelings.

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Like especially because this is the person who designed a

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.839
<v Speaker 2>house that's about to try to kill them.

0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:35.200
<v Speaker 3>Ooh ooh. But but you know, Sarah's gonna go full

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 3>girl boss mode. She has a laser. I forgot that

0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:41.319
<v Speaker 3>she had a laser, Like, why the hell did she

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 3>have this laser?

0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Like a pocket laser, Like it fits in her pocket.

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 3>It was pretty great. Anyways, we'll get there at a second,

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:49.760
<v Speaker 3>because Pat's about to go rugue.

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what happens is Pat, who has turned herself

0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:59.120
<v Speaker 2>back on, makes this like hologram projection of herself and

0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 2>now she's Kitty Sagall in the flesh and it's amazing.

0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 2>She goes to Ben's room to be like, let's team

0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.439
<v Speaker 2>up to get rid of Sarah. I know you hate

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 2>her too, and I'm the only mummy your family needs.

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 3>I am a mother like no other, and you're just

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 3>like what, I was so scared of her. I'm so

0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:21.760
<v Speaker 3>scared of her, but I love her hair collar anyways.

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:23.120
<v Speaker 2>She's got a pretty good fit on.

0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:24.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 2>She then throws Sarah out of the house and barricades

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:32.360
<v Speaker 2>all the doors and windows, trapping Nick, Ben and Angie

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.800
<v Speaker 2>inside because Pat wants to keep them.

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:37.040
<v Speaker 3>In smart house forever.

0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 2>And then the like hologram starts duplicating itself and Pat

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 2>is getting scarier and scarier.

0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 3>God, now there's ten Katie Sagalls in the kitchen. Yeah. Yeah,

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, I know that Nick can't be the

0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 3>hero of this, but he's making the most weak excuses

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:57.480
<v Speaker 3>as to why they should be allowed to leave. He's like, no,

0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:00.920
<v Speaker 3>kids have to go to school, Nick, you should be

0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 3>stabbing the house, Like why are you? You are the

0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:07.120
<v Speaker 3>least proactive parent in the history of parents.

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. And then but then they figure out

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a way to get Sarah back inside via her pet

0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 2>rat and the newspaper retrieval door, which were things that

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 2>were set up at the beginning of the movie, and

0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Ben is like, Pat, you're out of control. Stop trying

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:34.000
<v Speaker 2>to be something you're not. You can't be our mom

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 2>because you're not even real. And Pat is like, damn,

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:41.480
<v Speaker 2>you're right, she's fine.

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.640
<v Speaker 3>I'll miss you. And then yeah, oh my god, this

0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 3>is like very dry. I think it is like coded

0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 3>essentially that like Pat, I mean, she doesn't take her

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 3>own computer life because she's still there at the end

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 3>of the movie. They like go out of the way

0:58:56.240 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 3>to show you that, like Pat's alive, but I feel

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 3>like her being alive is almost worse.

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Did they learn nothing right?

0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Right? Like they learned nothing? And also she's probably pretty

0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:10.480
<v Speaker 3>mad in there. But the way that they illustrate like

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 3>her going to like it feels like computer Heaven is

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:17.880
<v Speaker 3>like they just start playing like Rainstorm Dot MP four

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's because Katie Sigal is a good actor.

0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 3>You're sort of like, oh my god, it's just like

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 3>two lines of dialogue and she's like, you're right, I

0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 3>have to die and you're like, well, no one said that.

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 3>But then we need the movie to end happy because

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:36.600
<v Speaker 3>it's a d com. So I think the ending of

0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 3>this movie is so bizarre.

0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Right, So basically Pat shuts herself down, and then Sarah

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>is able to like reboot and maybe reprogram Pat. She

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 2>said you need something, She can do anything so that

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Pat isn't so invasive and scary. And then Ben apologizes

0:59:57.160 --> 1:00:00.080
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I learned my lesson not to mess

1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 2>with Pat, which true he should not have done, but

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, Sarah, you should be the one apologizing for

1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:07.160
<v Speaker 2>the creating.

1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Sarah Like it's so, I mean, I I love being

1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:15.680
<v Speaker 3>on women's side, but I'm like, I mean, let women

1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:19.840
<v Speaker 3>be Sarah is. But the movie has doesn't seem to

1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:23.520
<v Speaker 3>want to explore that, like she's just so I think

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:27.720
<v Speaker 3>it is like vaguely misogynist that she isn't held accountable

1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:30.480
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like the movie, even though the movie

1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.600
<v Speaker 3>like it is her job is relevant to the plot,

1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:38.200
<v Speaker 3>which is very rare in a love interest character. Sometimes

1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 3>we know like what they do, but I feel like

1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:42.920
<v Speaker 3>it very rarely is actually relevant to what happens in

1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:45.360
<v Speaker 3>the movie. It's not true here, like her job is

1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:48.480
<v Speaker 3>super like the movie doesn't happen unless she's doing her job. True,

1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:51.000
<v Speaker 3>but I feel like the way that like no one

1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:54.000
<v Speaker 3>is upset with her, that she's built this killer house,

1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:56.520
<v Speaker 3>and every time they call her over to fix the

1:00:56.600 --> 1:00:59.240
<v Speaker 3>killer house, she's like, I don't know what's going on? Yeah,

1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:02.520
<v Speaker 3>can I hang out? Like this is so unprofessional and

1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:06.640
<v Speaker 3>you'd like you need to make the house stop eating them? Uh,

1:01:07.400 --> 1:01:11.080
<v Speaker 3>she is like, so I feel like the plot ultimately

1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:14.880
<v Speaker 3>treats her more like a girl friend because it's like

1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:18.280
<v Speaker 3>they don't really take like, the plot doesn't take into

1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:22.200
<v Speaker 3>account the fact that she is like hugely at fault here,

1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:25.960
<v Speaker 3>not at all, and yeah, it to me, the romance

1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:30.600
<v Speaker 3>between her and the dad is very like, well it's

1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:34.240
<v Speaker 3>a movie, so of course, but it still feels very

1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:39.120
<v Speaker 3>wedged in and she is behaving very unprofessionally and like

1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:43.040
<v Speaker 3>you can't be dating the person who is living in

1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:46.440
<v Speaker 3>the house that you're using, Like this family is like

1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:50.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean speaking of rat Butler, like these are your

1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:54.040
<v Speaker 3>like test rats that your testing this scary house on

1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:56.840
<v Speaker 3>and that well that's also I'm just sort of like

1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:03.280
<v Speaker 3>outside of unprofessionalism the gall of Sarah, because I like,

1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:06.320
<v Speaker 3>if I were if I had a crush on someone

1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:10.480
<v Speaker 3>who was essentially my lab rat and the experiment was

1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:14.160
<v Speaker 3>not going well, I would not be like, let's go

1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:16.880
<v Speaker 3>on a date. I would be like, this person's probably

1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:22.680
<v Speaker 3>pretty upset with me, but thankfully Nick is not. He's not,

1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:25.640
<v Speaker 3>to quote another Disney Channel original series, he's not a

1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:30.160
<v Speaker 3>smart guy. Oh that's a Disney Channel series about You're

1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:35.280
<v Speaker 3>never gonna believe a twelve year old who's real smart. Anyways,

1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:39.520
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I mean, we'll we'll talk about that after

1:02:39.560 --> 1:02:42.240
<v Speaker 3>the break, because that's.

1:02:42.800 --> 1:02:54.920
<v Speaker 2>That's what's happening right now. Poo pye, and we're back,

1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:56.360
<v Speaker 2>bellow bello.

1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:58.760
<v Speaker 3>All right, let's let's because we were just starting to

1:02:58.800 --> 1:03:02.920
<v Speaker 3>have that conversation. Anyways, let's just jump into the Sarah

1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:06.400
<v Speaker 3>and then the Sarah Nick relationship. I think that, like

1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:10.440
<v Speaker 3>for your average dcom of this time, in the context

1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:15.640
<v Speaker 3>of this time, Sarah is a bigger and more impactful

1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:20.080
<v Speaker 3>character than your average dcom, which is nice because I

1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:22.080
<v Speaker 3>feel like in all of these, I mean, in most sitcoms,

1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:27.640
<v Speaker 3>but especially sitcoms and TV movies for kids, parents tend

1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:31.800
<v Speaker 3>to be fairly tangential. They're often just like big comedic

1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:37.320
<v Speaker 3>doofisy kind of characters. We see that in Lizzie McGuire movie.

1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:40.680
<v Speaker 3>We see that, and even Stevens like this movie does

1:03:41.000 --> 1:03:45.000
<v Speaker 3>make the parental figures Nick and then later, Sarah like

1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:48.920
<v Speaker 3>flawed people. I just feel like, yeah, as we were

1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:53.880
<v Speaker 3>just alluding to Sarah, she's you know, women's rights but

1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:58.920
<v Speaker 3>also women's wrongs, and Sarah is wrong. It makes so

1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:01.720
<v Speaker 3>many bad decisions in this movie. But yes, I wanted

1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:04.120
<v Speaker 3>to start at the beginning because the way we're introduced

1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:08.080
<v Speaker 3>to Sarah is so bizarre, the specific There are specifics

1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:11.480
<v Speaker 3>with this character, but they're all so weird. We're introduced

1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:14.680
<v Speaker 3>with her with a character we only meet twice who's

1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:19.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of like misogyny. The guy Basically he's like her coworker,

1:04:20.400 --> 1:04:23.680
<v Speaker 3>her boss, Like I don't know what their professional relationship is,

1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:26.680
<v Speaker 3>but he is wearing like clear sunglasses.

1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:32.000
<v Speaker 2>He's I think the publicist of this smart house. He's

1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:33.480
<v Speaker 2>like doing pr well.

1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:36.560
<v Speaker 3>He's doing a bad job. They're both doing a bad job. Yeah,

1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:39.800
<v Speaker 3>but he's just like sexually harassing her casually and he's

1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:43.600
<v Speaker 3>just like I don't know, like of course, because she's

1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:46.160
<v Speaker 3>like we learn what her job is right away, and

1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:48.160
<v Speaker 3>we know that she's in charge of pat but then

1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:52.320
<v Speaker 3>we also learn she's single and she's kind of a mess.

1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:55.720
<v Speaker 3>And then she read a book called Smart Women Foolish Choices,

1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:59.160
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, wow, I'm under attack. Uh huh,

1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:01.360
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, oh, well, have you heard of this book,

1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Smart Women, Foolish Choices. It's my autobiography, Yeah, which.

1:05:05.720 --> 1:05:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe she meant literally, and I was like

1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:10.520
<v Speaker 2>because at this point you barely know her, and I'm like,

1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:13.480
<v Speaker 2>is she an author? Like what is her job?

1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, it just felt very like

1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:19.800
<v Speaker 3>something that we see pretty often that is like rooted

1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:24.200
<v Speaker 3>in something that's real. But it's like this movie is

1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:27.400
<v Speaker 3>not equipped to make any sort of effective commentary, so

1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:31.360
<v Speaker 3>it just sort of like reinforces tropes about like women

1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:35.919
<v Speaker 3>having careers and having satisfying personal lives, Like.

1:05:36.040 --> 1:05:39.560
<v Speaker 2>It's impossible to have both. We have no idea why,

1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:43.120
<v Speaker 2>but it happens in society, so let's just put it

1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:45.440
<v Speaker 2>in the movie, right, right.

1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:48.400
<v Speaker 3>So that's like I mean, and we won't break down

1:05:48.440 --> 1:05:51.160
<v Speaker 3>the entire like it's but yeah, it's like the sort

1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:54.760
<v Speaker 3>of thing where it's like it frames that which is

1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:58.640
<v Speaker 3>first of all, not prescriptive at all. Plenty of women

1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:01.640
<v Speaker 3>and non binary people have fu filled relationships and fulfilling careers,

1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:04.520
<v Speaker 3>but I like, I note that I don't know, like

1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:09.080
<v Speaker 3>I've definitely struggled with that, but it's but it's always

1:06:09.080 --> 1:06:11.520
<v Speaker 3>made out in movies like this and with characters like

1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:15.240
<v Speaker 3>this to be a personal fault versus it's her fault.

1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:17.520
<v Speaker 2>She just loves her job too.

1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Much, right, which is something that you never see with

1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:23.439
<v Speaker 3>male characters. And we've talked about this a million times.

1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:25.480
<v Speaker 3>But it's like it's a pretty because I think because

1:06:25.480 --> 1:06:29.160
<v Speaker 3>it's a kids movie, it's really like flagrant the way

1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:32.640
<v Speaker 3>that it's presented. And literally we have glasses on her,

1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and then as the movie, as she gets more comfortable

1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:39.000
<v Speaker 3>and more flirty, the glasses come off. But basically this

1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:43.280
<v Speaker 3>whole first scene has just like her publicist question mark, it'

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<v Speaker 3>sexually harassing her, nagging her when she's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to date right now, and he's like.

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<v Speaker 2>This is selfish everything on you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's very it's very nasty. And but then

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<v Speaker 3>the way she's replying, I think is very consistent with

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<v Speaker 3>boomer rhetoric of like, well, that's just the way things are,

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<v Speaker 3>that's how I'm treated at work. And so she's she's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of taking it all in stride and she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>work is much safer for me. And we learn so

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<v Speaker 3>that exchange is pretty. It's like so bad. It's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of campy, but it's just like atrocious because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>two grown men wrote it, and you're like, well, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess that this is how you view women with jobs

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<v Speaker 3>question mark and like the only thing that could make

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<v Speaker 3>her have a satisfying personal life is the first guy

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<v Speaker 3>we meet in the movie. Who isn't this creep in glasses?

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's no new ground being tread here, But I

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of just surprised at how boldly it was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>boldly going interesting star trek code. It going to a

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<v Speaker 3>misogynist place we've seen a million times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the tropiest choice is possible basically when character

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<v Speaker 2>rising this type of like girl bossy character. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the other thing the movie does is well, so

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<v Speaker 2>it sets up this, you know, it sets her up

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<v Speaker 2>as being, oh, she's had nothing but like cooky horrible boyfriends, and.

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<v Speaker 3>What is going on with these boyfriend descriptions. She's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like a chicken thief or something. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck are you talking?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a rubber chicken manufacturer. But then there was someone

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<v Speaker 2>who I think she was describing a serial killer or something.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot sounded serially it sounded like she dated this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, wow, do you have do the writers

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<v Speaker 3>of this movie have so little faith in Nick is

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<v Speaker 3>a character that they have to make him seem like

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<v Speaker 3>a good alternative to a serial killer?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So yeah, she's just characterized as being like unlucky

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<v Speaker 2>in love because she has poor judgment, which like relatable

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes for me at least.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean it's like there's but it's like also,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's the other thing is like it's

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<v Speaker 3>always made out that you know, mostly women characters are

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<v Speaker 3>bad judges of character in this way, like it's very

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<v Speaker 3>and then but when that dynamic is presented with like

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<v Speaker 3>men talking about past ex girlfriends, it's always like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>because she was hysterical or she was great. It's never

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<v Speaker 3>like I feel like the way it's positioned here is

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<v Speaker 3>like these men were evil and scary and that's my

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<v Speaker 3>fault for dating hum. But if it's reversed, they'd be like, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>this like this broad I get like she is out

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<v Speaker 3>of her mind, and it's there's no like personal accountability

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<v Speaker 3>that which actually makes more sense. But yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it's it's for some reason, Sarah's fault that men

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<v Speaker 3>are scary. And that's the other thing. It's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>men are statistically more scary.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>The history books do corroborate this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So Sarah's characterization is pulled directly from the tropiest

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<v Speaker 2>tropes possible, Yeah, and thrown into this like wedged in

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<v Speaker 2>romantic storyline that is inappropriate for her to be in sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she becomes Mummy's sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of mummy, right. And that's the other thing is like

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<v Speaker 3>the movie has I think the movie makes the assumption that,

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<v Speaker 3>of course she wants to be a step parent, Like

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<v Speaker 3>there's no like because all we know is like what

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't happened for her, which is a satisfying relationship. It

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<v Speaker 3>seems like that is something that she wants, which fine,

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<v Speaker 3>but we don't know anything else about what she like

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<v Speaker 3>wants out of her life outside of that, And then

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<v Speaker 3>it's just sort of like assumed. The like logic of

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<v Speaker 3>the movie assumes that of course, this woman in her

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<v Speaker 3>thirties wants to be Ryan Merriman's stepmom, where you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, like I just feel like she's her

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<v Speaker 3>agency is like pretty undercut there, which sucks because like

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<v Speaker 3>contrasted with like you have such an interesting setup for

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<v Speaker 3>a character there where it's like this super genius who

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<v Speaker 3>has created this terrifying house in this like random suburbia

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason, Like I'm far more interested in that

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<v Speaker 3>side of her, and like who allowed her to do this?

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<v Speaker 3>Who is bankrolling this? What has she done in the past, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's just all undercut for like girlfriend and mommy

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<v Speaker 3>storylines where you're like, this is a pretty diabolical character,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe it's like you could give her like a

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<v Speaker 3>mister Andrews from Titanic kind of line where it's like

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<v Speaker 3>she created this with good intentions and now it's gotten

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<v Speaker 3>out of control and she must suffer for her hubris.

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<v Speaker 3>But none of that happens. And because this movie is

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<v Speaker 3>genuinely very similar to a recent movie Megan, in which

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<v Speaker 3>Alice and Williams's character is put through a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the exact same story beats of like she is not

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<v Speaker 3>super lucky in love, but also like we learn about

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<v Speaker 3>this character she's not really interested in relationship and that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>She kind of just wants to fuck great. I get

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<v Speaker 3>why that's not gonna be in a dcom, but Anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>you could take a second to specify what does this

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<v Speaker 3>character want out of her life and have enough interest

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<v Speaker 3>in her. But she's also like put in a position

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<v Speaker 3>to suddenly have to take on a maternal role that

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<v Speaker 3>she's not ready for. And then she also has the

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<v Speaker 3>super genius creation that she ends up having to destroy

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<v Speaker 3>in the same way that Sarah sort of kind of

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<v Speaker 3>almost destroys Pat and you get a far more satisfying

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<v Speaker 3>story arc. But I think a lot of that is

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<v Speaker 3>because it's like we actually see that Alice and Williams

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<v Speaker 3>character struggle with the question of parenting, and like, is

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<v Speaker 3>that something she wants to do? Is that something she's

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable with and not have it just be assumed that's

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<v Speaker 3>of course what she wants, and that movie isn't weighed

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<v Speaker 3>down with an unnecessary romantic plot with mister random Kevin Kleiner, Right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, I guess that does at least show how

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<v Speaker 3>this weirdly stock character. I also let them thinking of

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<v Speaker 3>like Nicole Kidman and Paddington, Like I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 3>woman super genius with an evil event, Like I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Victor Frankenstein. Shit, it's great, but it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>the worst thing you can do to a character that

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<v Speaker 3>like fun and complicated is do the most boring gendered

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<v Speaker 3>things to them, right, But that's what happened to Sarah unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, and listeners, if you're interested for more discussion on Megan,

1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:55.679
<v Speaker 2>you can scoot over to our Patreon aka Matrio.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so true, but Pat is so pat is like Pat,

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<v Speaker 3>So Megan could run in those woods. Yeah, get that kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see if there's anything else with Sarah. Oh oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this bummed me out, So we'll get to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>you about Ben. But Ben is basically like projecting his

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<v Speaker 3>anger at his father onto Sarah to make Sarah feel

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<v Speaker 3>uncomfortable and not want to be around anymore, which is

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<v Speaker 3>shitty behavior. But he's I also like, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I keep coming to his defense because he's like a

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<v Speaker 3>kid and no one has ever talked to him about

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<v Speaker 3>his parent dying. Anyways. But there's that scene where Sarah's like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the Ray Bradbury murder room. Let's make it look

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<v Speaker 3>like Cape Cod. I love cape Cod and you're just like, wow,

1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:50.040
<v Speaker 3>she's so interesting. But Ben is like coming for her

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<v Speaker 3>in this scene. Yeah, and he says, wait, I have

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<v Speaker 3>this written down where Nick is being very complimentary of Sarah,

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<v Speaker 3>which is nice that he like, does you know, value

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<v Speaker 3>her skills? He values what she can do, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 3>she's a genius. She's really great. And then Ben's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I hear geniuses are impossible to live with

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<v Speaker 3>and make everyone around them feel inferior.

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<v Speaker 4>And you're like, whoa, holy shit, And he's like, good

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<v Speaker 4>for you in your big giant brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like Jesus. But she retorts by undercutting her own

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence like she does it. She's like, you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to worry. I'm not that smart. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. You made the house that eats people, like

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<v Speaker 3>kind of never been done before.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes some brains.

1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:35.800
<v Speaker 3>But and I do. I do feel bad for her

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<v Speaker 3>in that scene, and I do think that it is

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<v Speaker 3>Nick's fault more so than Ben's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does put a lot of people in uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>situations without adequately like having the conversations that need to

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<v Speaker 2>happen to make sure everyone's on similar pages, make sure

1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:58.759
<v Speaker 2>people are feeling comfortable with what's happening. He just ignores

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<v Speaker 2>the need for or all of that open communication.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like yeah, let's all eat peach cobbler together and that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And then later he like anytime he does something,

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<v Speaker 3>he immediately like and something goes wrong, he immediately deflects

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<v Speaker 3>the blame off of himself and is just like, so

1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:18.479
<v Speaker 3>that was weird. You're like, that was your fault which happened,

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<v Speaker 3>because like, once Ben and Angie leave the room after

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<v Speaker 3>that really tense discussion, which wasn't was certainly like very

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<v Speaker 3>cruel to Sarah that he does the thing. He's just

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<v Speaker 3>like mine children, and I'm like, that was your fault

1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:34.519
<v Speaker 3>that that happened. You fucking lose it. Oh. I just

1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:38.080
<v Speaker 3>cannot stand this man's parenting. He is such a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, there is that the movie kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of reinforces this idea that like children need two parents,

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<v Speaker 2>you need a mummy and a daddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is completely consistent with this era of kids media.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's it's like pushing back on absolutely nothing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I think the movie is cutting Nick a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of slack and like it because it shows these

1:17:09.040 --> 1:17:11.639
<v Speaker 2>scenes where it's like, oh my gosh, isn't he such

1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:15.680
<v Speaker 2>a great parent? He's like having these no conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>his kids, and it's like well, yeah, but he's not

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<v Speaker 2>doing nearly enough.

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<v Speaker 3>He's doing it all half a decade late. And like

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like he was similarly deflective when he suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>realized that Ben has been taking on a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>parenting ANGI for years, where he's like, hey, I'm realizing

1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:38.360
<v Speaker 3>that blah blah blah, and it's like no. Earlier in

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<v Speaker 3>the movie, I saw you demand Ben do a list

1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:44.839
<v Speaker 3>of chores to help his little sister, which is like, okay,

1:17:44.880 --> 1:17:48.559
<v Speaker 3>if that is the division of responsibilities at this house,

1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Like okay, maybe, but but if that's the case, but

1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:56.320
<v Speaker 3>you can't just like pretend you didn't know that was happening.

1:17:56.360 --> 1:17:59.599
<v Speaker 3>You were actively making him do that stuff. You can't

1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:02.960
<v Speaker 3>just be like, oh no, this happening. You're like yeah,

1:18:03.000 --> 1:18:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. And it sucks because it's like I

1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:08.120
<v Speaker 3>feel like, again, the story opportunities are there, but you're

1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:10.920
<v Speaker 3>totally right, Like Nick is just cut so much slack.

1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:14.559
<v Speaker 3>Where I don't mind that. It's like the movie draws

1:18:14.600 --> 1:18:17.920
<v Speaker 3>your attention to like how challenging it can be to

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<v Speaker 3>be a single parent to two young kids, Like sure,

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<v Speaker 3>I have no issue with that, but yeah, the fact

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<v Speaker 3>but they just like cut him but the fact that

1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:30.800
<v Speaker 3>they're like and the solution to that is a new mommy. Like,

1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:35.719
<v Speaker 3>there's no alternative presented. There's no even though he lists

1:18:35.720 --> 1:18:38.800
<v Speaker 3>off a number of alternatives, which included apparently they can

1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:42.760
<v Speaker 3>afford childcare if they needed childcare. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>it's all of those options are presented as inferior to

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<v Speaker 3>new Mommy Sarah, which is just yeah, boring and shitty.

1:18:56.720 --> 1:19:01.880
<v Speaker 3>There's also a moment in the score of this movie where, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>when Nick first meets Sarah. First of all, Nick two

1:19:06.120 --> 1:19:10.479
<v Speaker 3>horny overall him, He's a horny dad, and I hate

1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:14.639
<v Speaker 3>that his children are constantly having really strong opinions on

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<v Speaker 3>how horny he is. I'm just like, we just like

1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:21.160
<v Speaker 3>should not know this about dad. We just shouldn't call

1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:23.800
<v Speaker 3>me old fashioned. But I don't want my seven year

1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:27.800
<v Speaker 3>old being like, you should definitely fuck that lady. Dad.

1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:32.000
<v Speaker 3>You're like, no, don't do that. That was a pretty

1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:35.880
<v Speaker 3>good angie. She's she's little stinker coated big time she is.

1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:40.000
<v Speaker 3>But anyways, do you have anything else to say about Sarah?

1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:43.120
<v Speaker 3>I just I just feel like her story possibility is

1:19:43.240 --> 1:19:45.280
<v Speaker 3>like all the interesting ones, Like I wouldn't have even

1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:48.680
<v Speaker 3>minded if she turned villain at the end, like like.

1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Being really defensive of her invention. It's like, no, this

1:19:52.400 --> 1:19:55.439
<v Speaker 2>is the future, this is how it should be. Something

1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like that totally.

1:19:56.720 --> 1:19:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's like, which would make more sense because

1:19:59.280 --> 1:20:01.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, imagine how long it would have taken her

1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:04.759
<v Speaker 3>to make Pat and then just be like, no, I

1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:07.519
<v Speaker 3>met a guy who doesn't kill people, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna kill Like, I don't know. I just think there

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<v Speaker 3>were so many interesting ways for her story to go,

1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:16.080
<v Speaker 3>and they chose the most boring route. I like at

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<v Speaker 3>least that the story had enough respect for her to

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<v Speaker 3>not like sideline her for the peak of the action,

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<v Speaker 3>because I sort of forgot like when when Pat like

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<v Speaker 3>pushes her out of the house, which a part of

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<v Speaker 3>me was like, m is this just turning the only

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<v Speaker 3>two women characters against each other? But I'm like no,

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<v Speaker 3>that also feels consistent with like the creator creature right storylines,

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<v Speaker 3>and like I'll give that a pass. And also you

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<v Speaker 3>don't see that dynamic between two women, like a woman

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<v Speaker 3>creator and a woman you know also happens in Megan anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then also like in I Frankenstein, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>thank You, you have the monster turning against its creator,

1:20:57.720 --> 1:21:02.000
<v Speaker 2>which is what happens with why it's true She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>let's kill Sarah.

1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I love that Pat sort of like, let's kill Sarah,

1:21:05.360 --> 1:21:07.120
<v Speaker 3>and because when she says that, I'm sort of like,

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<v Speaker 3>what's kill Sarah? In the same way when Alicia Vaikandor

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<v Speaker 3>is like, let's kill Oscar Isaac, I'm like almost any

1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:19.679
<v Speaker 3>other movie, I'd say no, but this one, I think

1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:23.280
<v Speaker 3>we have to kill Oscar Isaac. Oh, but I thought

1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:25.080
<v Speaker 3>I sort of was like, oh no, do they like

1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:27.040
<v Speaker 3>throw her out of the height of the action, But

1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:29.160
<v Speaker 3>she's like very active and she comes back because she

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<v Speaker 3>has a laser and like she is right. I'd like

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of like the two people who ultimately take

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<v Speaker 3>Pat down are Sarah and Ben, which makes sense to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I didn't have a problem with it.

1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:48.040
<v Speaker 2>So I was paying close attention to that. So somehow

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<v Speaker 2>Ben is able to send an email to Sarah. You

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<v Speaker 2>would think that Pat would be monitoring that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I was like, how did you get do

1:21:56.080 --> 1:21:57.639
<v Speaker 3>you have a burner? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I think what happened what we're supposed to think is

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<v Speaker 2>he went into the bathroom where it's been established that

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<v Speaker 2>he has privacy, Like Pat has no jurisdiction in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's sitting in the tub with his dog, a

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Retriever named Mutt.

1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:17.400
<v Speaker 3>But I had that Pat was insulting the dog, but

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<v Speaker 3>then I just found out that the dog's.

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<v Speaker 2>Name was in it was actually Mutt. So yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's sending an email to be like, come here, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then so she well before that, she has like

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<v Speaker 2>sent a message via her rat to Ben. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of unclear how this play. Oh, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is his idea that she comes in through the mail,

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<v Speaker 2>like the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, or something, his idea. I don't I don't.

1:22:47.640 --> 1:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, he says something like I have a really wild

1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>idea if you're willing to go for it, and then

1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>she's like, hah yeah, but we don't hear what the

1:22:55.880 --> 1:22:58.400
<v Speaker 2>idea is, so we just kind of have to assume

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<v Speaker 2>either way.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll even give the movie credit and say it was

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<v Speaker 3>a joint plan, because I always assumed that Ben's part

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<v Speaker 3>of the plan was like I will fake appendicitis and

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<v Speaker 3>then you sneak into the house one way or an.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, So maybe it is her that like

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<v Speaker 2>knows that she needs to get in through the mail slot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah whatever, but she's in the house. She uses her

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<v Speaker 2>pocket laser, but then she kind of does nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true because Pat shuts herself down. Sarah doesn't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything to like that's me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I guess I was more referring to

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<v Speaker 3>the pocket laser moment, which I really love because it's

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<v Speaker 3>I think it would have sort of chafed against like Ben.

1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:44.479
<v Speaker 3>It like, it makes sense that Ben's little monologue is

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that ends up taking Pat out because he

1:23:47.040 --> 1:23:50.280
<v Speaker 3>has to realize that computer isn't mommy before the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the movie. But it would have been nice for

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah to do a little more. But at least you

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<v Speaker 3>also get I don't know, Pat, she's still learning. She's chaotic,

1:24:01.240 --> 1:24:05.360
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know. Yeah, Sarah definitely could have done more,

1:24:05.400 --> 1:24:08.240
<v Speaker 3>but I just felt, like, you know, she doesn't do nothing,

1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:11.519
<v Speaker 3>which unfortunately I was pleasantly surprised at.

1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the bar is so low.

1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:16.080
<v Speaker 3>And it's better than like, at least Nick doesn't have

1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:18.559
<v Speaker 3>If Nick had a real moment during that scene, I

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<v Speaker 3>would have lost it. It made sense to me that

1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:24.519
<v Speaker 3>Ben was mister monologue there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's true, but I don't think

1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I have anything left on Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about Pat. I love Pat, So again, we've

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<v Speaker 3>talked about a number of characters like that. I mean,

1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:41.679
<v Speaker 3>Pat feels like a combination of a few tropes that

1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:44.919
<v Speaker 3>we are not tropes, just like characters that are often

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<v Speaker 3>women but not always that we've talked about in the past.

1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:51.720
<v Speaker 3>We've already talked about the megan of it, all of

1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:57.360
<v Speaker 3>an AI Powered. I mean, it really is like impressive.

1:24:57.439 --> 1:24:59.920
<v Speaker 3>How much is similar where it's like an AI power

1:25:00.720 --> 1:25:06.400
<v Speaker 3>invention that was made by a woman to provide companionship

1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:13.920
<v Speaker 3>and support to a grieving child's It is pretty stunning.

1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:16.759
<v Speaker 3>It's a little looser in Smart House, obviously because Pat's

1:25:16.760 --> 1:25:19.920
<v Speaker 3>also doing all these other things. But I feel like

1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:23.600
<v Speaker 3>there's like definitely hints of Mega. There's hints of ex Machina,

1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:28.080
<v Speaker 3>although that was like a more gender dynamic, but also

1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:33.960
<v Speaker 3>it reminds me a lot of her and how in

1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:36.360
<v Speaker 3>our her episode, which is now five years old, if

1:25:36.360 --> 1:25:41.679
<v Speaker 3>you can believe it, unbelievable time, but how we talked

1:25:41.720 --> 1:25:46.320
<v Speaker 3>about in that episode, how it is so common to

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<v Speaker 3>give AI that is service based, and like this house

1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:55.840
<v Speaker 3>is taking care of you, it's protecting you. It's associated

1:25:55.840 --> 1:26:00.280
<v Speaker 3>with all these kind of traditionally maternal qualities, and they

1:26:00.320 --> 1:26:03.840
<v Speaker 3>will always assign a feminine voice to that. There's all

1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:06.400
<v Speaker 3>sorts of reasons why. It's partially just because I think

1:26:06.439 --> 1:26:10.719
<v Speaker 3>that they're like because so many of these are designed

1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:14.799
<v Speaker 3>by people who are like thinking in a mass market

1:26:14.840 --> 1:26:18.080
<v Speaker 3>patriarchal way of like, well, people are more comfortable asking

1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:20.320
<v Speaker 3>women to do things for them.

1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Especially like household labor.

1:26:23.280 --> 1:26:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, or in the case of like GPS, I remember

1:26:27.479 --> 1:26:29.360
<v Speaker 3>it was like, and people are more comfortable yelling at

1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:31.840
<v Speaker 3>women too, so if they get lost, they will feel better.

1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:35.679
<v Speaker 3>And how that is sort of contrasted with more masculine

1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:39.679
<v Speaker 3>voices are assigned to like less domestic tasks and less

1:26:39.760 --> 1:26:43.040
<v Speaker 3>labor based things, and it's more like if you're asking

1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:46.479
<v Speaker 3>something that like someone should know. I remember there was

1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:49.559
<v Speaker 3>like a robot that competed on Jeopardy and that was

1:26:49.600 --> 1:26:51.919
<v Speaker 3>like an AI powered machine and that had a masculine

1:26:52.000 --> 1:26:55.280
<v Speaker 3>voice because he was smart shit like that, like, and

1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:59.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that is very present in Pat in a

1:26:59.320 --> 1:27:03.200
<v Speaker 3>way that the move seems aware of. And I think

1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:06.680
<v Speaker 3>that it is kind of interesting that Pat's creator as

1:27:07.120 --> 1:27:10.280
<v Speaker 3>a woman, and I still like tracks for me fine,

1:27:10.280 --> 1:27:12.280
<v Speaker 3>because it's not like, you know, it's like you don't

1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:16.280
<v Speaker 3>have to be a not all women are feminists are

1:27:16.360 --> 1:27:19.240
<v Speaker 3>like you know, and and I don't know, I just

1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:21.439
<v Speaker 3>thought it was it is like a really it just

1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:23.880
<v Speaker 3>felt like she feels like an encapsulation of a lot

1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:26.120
<v Speaker 3>of stuff we've talked about in the past, and it

1:27:26.160 --> 1:27:28.120
<v Speaker 3>seems like the movie is pretty aware of that. I

1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:31.639
<v Speaker 3>don't think that it delivers on it necessarily, but it's interesting.

1:27:32.040 --> 1:27:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, Pat's interesting because a lot of what we see

1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:40.760
<v Speaker 2>that operating system do is household labor type stuff. Like

1:27:40.840 --> 1:27:46.080
<v Speaker 2>she's prepping meals and she's cleaning the house via the

1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:52.599
<v Speaker 2>floor absorbers, but she's also keeping the man with the

1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>job on task of like here's how to be more

1:27:56.240 --> 1:28:00.439
<v Speaker 2>productive of she's doing like wifely duties. Yeah, that right,

1:28:00.479 --> 1:28:04.320
<v Speaker 2>But then like she's also like doing Ben's bullies homework

1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:09.400
<v Speaker 2>for I don't know, it's not exclusively household labor stuff,

1:28:09.439 --> 1:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>but it is a lot of like the roles that

1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:16.360
<v Speaker 2>women have been traditionally expected to occupy as far as

1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:21.679
<v Speaker 2>like overseeing the general welfare of the family and stuff

1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like that, and like you know, maintaining the household. All

1:28:24.880 --> 1:28:30.679
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff is Pat's responsibility, which is why Ben

1:28:30.760 --> 1:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted the house in the first place. He kind of

1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>seems to resent that he had to take on a

1:28:35.680 --> 1:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of that responsibility, and he's like, I don't want

1:28:38.439 --> 1:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to do it anymore. I need a house to do

1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>this mummy stuff.

1:28:43.360 --> 1:28:46.439
<v Speaker 3>Which for me, which is like so at the core

1:28:46.520 --> 1:28:49.519
<v Speaker 3>of what his character's issue is is like he wants

1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:52.519
<v Speaker 3>to I don't know, And it is again like based

1:28:52.560 --> 1:28:55.360
<v Speaker 3>on this false binary of like what a functioning family

1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.240
<v Speaker 3>looks like that this movie really subscribes to of like, well,

1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:01.960
<v Speaker 3>you need two parents, probably a says man and a

1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:07.040
<v Speaker 3>says woman for your life to be considered normal and functional,

1:29:07.600 --> 1:29:11.240
<v Speaker 3>and like Ben is does not want another parent, but

1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:14.439
<v Speaker 3>he also doesn't want to have to do all of

1:29:14.479 --> 1:29:18.360
<v Speaker 3>this stuff at home, and like it all tracks but

1:29:18.600 --> 1:29:21.240
<v Speaker 3>I like that. I don't know. I guess I'm of

1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:25.280
<v Speaker 3>two minds about this, although I don't know. Yeah, I'm

1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:29.120
<v Speaker 3>curious because we've just discussed I Frankenstein literally sorry, Adam

1:29:29.160 --> 1:29:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Frankenstein has some pat energy about him with like the

1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:39.599
<v Speaker 3>whole like tortured creature turning into a monster over time narrative.

1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Is I don't know. In some ways, I feel like

1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:46.799
<v Speaker 3>Pat going nuclear at the end could make it seem

1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:50.559
<v Speaker 3>like she's hysterical. But I also feel like the movie,

1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:53.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, did you feel like? I think? I

1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:57.559
<v Speaker 3>think I feel like it did basically do enough to

1:29:57.640 --> 1:30:01.200
<v Speaker 3>illustrate that like Pat is not reacting in this way

1:30:01.360 --> 1:30:06.599
<v Speaker 3>because she is a feminine robot. She's reacting this way

1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:10.679
<v Speaker 3>because she is receiving too much conflicting information and cannot

1:30:10.720 --> 1:30:12.960
<v Speaker 3>handle it and is trying to perform the function she

1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:16.160
<v Speaker 3>was designed to do and literally cannot do it because

1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:20.960
<v Speaker 3>she is like not passing the Turing test. She like

1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:25.120
<v Speaker 3>doesn't understand feelings because she's a computer. And that's the

1:30:25.160 --> 1:30:29.080
<v Speaker 3>cautionary tale, is like computers can't, you know, be your

1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:32.320
<v Speaker 3>mom because they are like not capable of empathy. Not

1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:35.160
<v Speaker 3>that all moms are, but if my mom's listening, she's great.

1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:41.280
<v Speaker 5>But but I don't know, Like I feel like the

1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:44.960
<v Speaker 5>movie did do enough and it is satisfying seeing Pat

1:30:45.240 --> 1:30:48.639
<v Speaker 5>create as living room cyclone at the end.

1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:52.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, what did you think of, Like how

1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:56.040
<v Speaker 3>Pat's emotions are portrayed in the movie.

1:30:56.360 --> 1:30:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see what you mean. The possible interpretation of

1:30:59.800 --> 1:31:05.439
<v Speaker 2>like she gets jealous of the real woman, like this

1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:11.080
<v Speaker 2>human woman trying to insert herself into this family because

1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Pat wants to be the Mummy. But I feel quite that,

1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>which could be read as like, you know, a female

1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:23.719
<v Speaker 2>character turning on another one for like jealousy reasons. But yeah,

1:31:24.000 --> 1:31:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Pat only becomes the way she is because because she

1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>starts out pretty neutral. She's like, here's a blue strawberry

1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:32.439
<v Speaker 2>milkshake or whatever.

1:31:32.880 --> 1:31:34.760
<v Speaker 3>No one's calling me out for that mistake, all right,

1:31:34.840 --> 1:31:37.280
<v Speaker 3>let's see what we can do here, you.

1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Know, and then eating Angie's blood and being like, here's

1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:43.479
<v Speaker 2>how much body percent fat you have? And it's like

1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>why is this a detail we need to have in

1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the movie.

1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:50.320
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, also, that's the bite and everyone's like, oh, oh,

1:31:50.360 --> 1:31:52.880
<v Speaker 3>ok okay, I guess that's the bite, and like, no,

1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:55.639
<v Speaker 3>that in nineteen ninety nine. That's triple scary.

1:31:56.120 --> 1:32:00.479
<v Speaker 2>So scary. Yeah, But aside from the it was just

1:32:00.520 --> 1:32:05.280
<v Speaker 2>like bad writing choices, Like Pat is seems neutral as

1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>neutral as AI can be, but then Ben is like, no,

1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>you have to be a nineteen fifties housewife. That's what

1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I need from you. So then Pat is just like okay,

1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and not just like actual nineteen fifties housewife like media's

1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>representation of that, so it's like even more skewed and

1:32:27.200 --> 1:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>like even more trophy.

1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:32.280
<v Speaker 3>So it does feel like there is like some commentary.

1:32:32.520 --> 1:32:37.080
<v Speaker 3>I just I find it confusing as a I don't know,

1:32:37.120 --> 1:32:40.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean because in some ways, like yeah, Pat's major

1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:45.240
<v Speaker 3>glitching to being fed all of this, like post World

1:32:45.280 --> 1:32:50.240
<v Speaker 3>War two housewife media is commentary on how flawed that

1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:53.880
<v Speaker 3>media is. I just don't understand if I'm a kid

1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:56.920
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety nine, why that would be what I

1:32:56.920 --> 1:32:58.920
<v Speaker 3>would jump to. It's so weird because it's like Katie

1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:03.160
<v Speaker 3>sagaalf played and I iconic, like gen X TV mom,

1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:06.479
<v Speaker 3>Like why wouldn't you just show them footage of married

1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:09.559
<v Speaker 3>with children? Like why I don't understand why he's like

1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:12.639
<v Speaker 3>seeking a parent that has no resemblance to the parent

1:33:12.840 --> 1:33:15.360
<v Speaker 3>that he's lot, Like I don't I guess, I just

1:33:15.400 --> 1:33:18.360
<v Speaker 3>I will. I think that there's probably an answer to that, Like,

1:33:18.640 --> 1:33:20.720
<v Speaker 3>but I just wish that. I think that the like

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<v Speaker 3>sort of vague, like wishy washy commentary on housewives in

1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:31.479
<v Speaker 3>media of that era was sort of undercut by the

1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:34.519
<v Speaker 3>point that you're like, I don't understand why this is

1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:37.720
<v Speaker 3>what Ben is asking for. I don't understand how he's

1:33:37.720 --> 1:33:39.479
<v Speaker 3>even seen these shows, like.

1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, he's watching Nick at Night just kidding that doesn't

1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:49.439
<v Speaker 2>exist in the world of Disney, But I do not

1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>mention Nickelodeon around me. Right, You would think that it

1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:57.760
<v Speaker 2>would It would almost take the life size approach where

1:33:57.840 --> 1:34:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Lohan's trying to bring her mom back from the dead, right,

1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and Ben would like show the video like the home

1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>videos like the dead Mom dot mov files to Pat

1:34:10.439 --> 1:34:12.640
<v Speaker 2>to be like, this is the mom I need you

1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>to be. That does not happen in the movie, but

1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>that would make more sense.

1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I think, Yeah, I understand why they don't do that

1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:22.720
<v Speaker 3>because it'll be fucking terrifying and reminds me of a

1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:26.439
<v Speaker 3>different early Black Mirror episode, the dominall Gleeson one or

1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:29.679
<v Speaker 3>he dies and then they and like that. The computer

1:34:29.800 --> 1:34:32.560
<v Speaker 3>was bad in that one too, just like all of them.

1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:34.720
<v Speaker 3>But uh yeah, I mean that would have been too

1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:37.200
<v Speaker 3>scary for a kids' movie. But it does, like I

1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:40.120
<v Speaker 3>feel like this even with me, you could maintain the

1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:43.320
<v Speaker 3>tone of this movie and have Ben consider that or

1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:47.120
<v Speaker 3>like or just give some reasoning of like why this

1:34:47.360 --> 1:34:49.919
<v Speaker 3>is the media I'm showing because otherwise it just feels

1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:54.240
<v Speaker 3>like this is probably just media that the fifty year

1:34:54.280 --> 1:34:56.360
<v Speaker 3>old writer of this movie grew up with. And so

1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:59.960
<v Speaker 3>he's like, kids, of course want a mom like Donna

1:35:00.160 --> 1:35:03.200
<v Speaker 3>read You're like, sir, kids do not know who she is, right.

1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:05.720
<v Speaker 3>Although Donna Reid is kind of a legend. She was

1:35:05.760 --> 1:35:08.800
<v Speaker 3>like one of the first women to produce her own

1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:12.000
<v Speaker 3>TV show, it's kind of the ultimate irony that she

1:35:12.080 --> 1:35:15.280
<v Speaker 3>played a very you know, passive character on this show.

1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:19.320
<v Speaker 3>She was busting her ass to keep on TV. Anyways, Yeah,

1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I was confused at that. I feel like the movie

1:35:22.439 --> 1:35:24.559
<v Speaker 3>did a little bit of commentary on it and like

1:35:25.400 --> 1:35:29.760
<v Speaker 3>showed that it's a flawed mentality and that it's kind

1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:32.400
<v Speaker 3>of like a hollow ethos to like live your life by.

1:35:32.520 --> 1:35:34.839
<v Speaker 3>But it just was like it was a little mucky

1:35:35.080 --> 1:35:35.920
<v Speaker 3>the way that played out.

1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>It didn't say enough about it.

1:35:39.880 --> 1:35:41.479
<v Speaker 3>It was just like it was a little confusing.

1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>And then after that, I think is when Pat's like

1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:48.640
<v Speaker 2>spying on them and she's like, my kids need to

1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:51.320
<v Speaker 2>have fun. So then she throws the party.

1:35:52.040 --> 1:35:54.559
<v Speaker 3>I think it shows her the nineteen fifties video after

1:35:54.640 --> 1:35:56.360
<v Speaker 3>the party. I'm pretty sure.

1:35:56.320 --> 1:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, let me let me double check of.

1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:00.880
<v Speaker 3>No.

1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the party happens after he shows.

1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:07.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, which also which also doesn't really make sense because

1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:09.679
<v Speaker 3>it's like, I don't think that those like Stock characters

1:36:09.680 --> 1:36:13.960
<v Speaker 3>wanted their kids to throw parties. But it's so weird.

1:36:14.040 --> 1:36:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, so that's inconsistent.

1:36:16.439 --> 1:36:20.559
<v Speaker 3>The only thing that it really succeeds in is giving

1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Katie sagall and an incredible aesthetic and cost him to

1:36:25.200 --> 1:36:27.880
<v Speaker 3>get into when she becomes a person. Outside of that,

1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:31.120
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen fifties housewife mom, I felt like the whatever

1:36:31.160 --> 1:36:35.320
<v Speaker 3>they were going for there was a little confusing, unless

1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:40.000
<v Speaker 3>it was trying to demonstrate that that being your operating

1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:42.879
<v Speaker 3>system would drive someone to want to start a cyclone,

1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:47.040
<v Speaker 3>which I'm sure many mothers of that age felt like. Again,

1:36:47.640 --> 1:36:50.320
<v Speaker 3>not clear, maybe giving the movie a little bit too

1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:53.200
<v Speaker 3>much credit, But I love that Pat says, I am

1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:55.000
<v Speaker 3>a mother like no other, and I will not sit

1:36:55.080 --> 1:36:57.920
<v Speaker 3>back and allow myself to be preempted. I'm like, oof,

1:36:58.800 --> 1:36:59.959
<v Speaker 3>egot powerful.

1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think the movie, if it is trying to

1:37:03.960 --> 1:37:07.840
<v Speaker 2>say something, it doesn't really stick the landing. I'm not

1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>quite sure exactly what, if any commentary it's making, which

1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:17.400
<v Speaker 2>is like a bummer because this subject matter, there's a

1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of opportunity to say stuff about gender roles, about technologies,

1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:28.240
<v Speaker 2>role in society and in a family unit.

1:37:28.040 --> 1:37:31.439
<v Speaker 3>What the expectations of a mother are and why that

1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:34.960
<v Speaker 3>is all like there's a lot. Yeah, and it's like

1:37:35.320 --> 1:37:37.080
<v Speaker 3>it's weird because I do feel like this movie is

1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:40.479
<v Speaker 3>not unequipped to tackle those questions. But then you look

1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:44.479
<v Speaker 3>at who made it and you're like, well, it's three guys,

1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:47.439
<v Speaker 3>And I'm guessing maybe that's part of the reason why

1:37:47.520 --> 1:37:50.679
<v Speaker 3>you really don't get very much would.

1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Be that you would think that LeVar Burton would have

1:37:54.120 --> 1:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, he was mister reading Rainbow. He should

1:37:57.400 --> 1:38:01.040
<v Speaker 2>have read a book on his gender roles, a damn book.

1:38:02.760 --> 1:38:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that what the the criticism of this

1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:09.800
<v Speaker 3>movie Super six Season, I think is like anticipating a

1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:12.719
<v Speaker 3>lot of terrifying issues that come with an automated house

1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:15.479
<v Speaker 3>and because it's as I think it's and I think

1:38:15.479 --> 1:38:18.400
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting that that was I mean, there's a great

1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:22.760
<v Speaker 3>article in The Ringer for this movie's twentieth anniversarrate by

1:38:22.800 --> 1:38:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Ben Lindbergh called what Smart House got right and didn't

1:38:26.400 --> 1:38:31.880
<v Speaker 3>about the future that also clocked their Ray Bradbury reference,

1:38:32.520 --> 1:38:37.919
<v Speaker 3>So I was like, wow, two scholars, Okay, no, I'm

1:38:37.960 --> 1:38:39.080
<v Speaker 3>not actually the mart.

1:38:40.400 --> 1:38:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh you should be proud of your big giant brain.

1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:49.679
<v Speaker 3>I have to go and then you go my children. God,

1:38:49.720 --> 1:38:54.519
<v Speaker 3>he's such a flop. But I like this article unpacked.

1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:56.599
<v Speaker 3>I guess that, like the idea of the smart home

1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:59.639
<v Speaker 3>became popular around the time Ray Bradberry wrote that story,

1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:02.680
<v Speaker 3>which was post war so nineteen fifty, so like the

1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:06.080
<v Speaker 3>housewife thing could have been contextualized better of like this

1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:10.400
<v Speaker 3>era of American housewife media, and like white American housewife

1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:14.240
<v Speaker 3>media became popular around the same time that people started

1:39:14.520 --> 1:39:18.720
<v Speaker 3>speculating about smart houses, So like there's a connection there.

1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:20.840
<v Speaker 3>It just is not really made by this movie. But

1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:25.280
<v Speaker 3>I think it does really well, like does anticipate the

1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:29.479
<v Speaker 3>like cautionary tale of like giving a house your blood,

1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:32.599
<v Speaker 3>like giving away all of your data to technology that

1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:37.559
<v Speaker 3>it has not been tested and is not necessarily have

1:39:37.720 --> 1:39:41.640
<v Speaker 3>your best interests at heart, Which is again why I

1:39:41.680 --> 1:39:44.360
<v Speaker 3>think it is like a real waste to make Sarah

1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:48.799
<v Speaker 3>a mommy girlfriend character, because she is at the front

1:39:48.960 --> 1:39:52.680
<v Speaker 3>of the pack, like making those decisions of you know,

1:39:52.800 --> 1:39:57.720
<v Speaker 3>like she has no ethical issue with having this proprietary

1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:00.840
<v Speaker 3>technology have all of the data of your body, and

1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:04.360
<v Speaker 3>it's like, Okay, Sarah, are you planning on selling that anywhere? Like,

1:40:04.960 --> 1:40:08.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, like there's so many questions that and maybe

1:40:08.520 --> 1:40:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's nineteen ninety nine, that might not have

1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:14.760
<v Speaker 3>been a question that you would think to ask at

1:40:14.760 --> 1:40:17.080
<v Speaker 3>that point. Sure, But anyways, I mean, with some of

1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:21.400
<v Speaker 3>the specific details of the house and potential issues of

1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:25.320
<v Speaker 3>interacting with AI too much, I think it's cool that

1:40:25.400 --> 1:40:28.599
<v Speaker 3>it's like it was such a prominent discussion that they

1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:32.160
<v Speaker 3>felt like it was reasonable to make a dcom about it.

1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:33.040
<v Speaker 3>That's wild.

1:40:33.479 --> 1:40:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm kind of impressed. And I do think

1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:41.639
<v Speaker 2>that because that message is so clear and dcoms, and

1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:46.519
<v Speaker 2>like most media for kids, if there is a message

1:40:46.800 --> 1:40:49.000
<v Speaker 2>or some kind of takeaway, which there often is in

1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:54.080
<v Speaker 2>children's media, a lesson to be learned, they're gonna really

1:40:54.120 --> 1:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>spell it out because they want to make it clear

1:40:57.320 --> 1:41:03.080
<v Speaker 2>for the audience. And because there's nothing clearly spelled out about,

1:41:03.760 --> 1:41:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, gender roles and the expectation of women in

1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the expectation of motherhood and things like that, I think

1:41:10.400 --> 1:41:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the movie just kind of threw that stuff in there.

1:41:14.120 --> 1:41:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Had no idea what to say about it, and was

1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:20.600
<v Speaker 2>just like, that's there. It is, IDK.

1:41:21.400 --> 1:41:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so but I think that again, it's like there's

1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:28.040
<v Speaker 3>limitations on what you can say that with that in

1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:32.040
<v Speaker 3>the purview of a nineteen ninety nine Disney movie. I

1:41:32.080 --> 1:41:35.080
<v Speaker 3>have a few quotes I wanted to share, and then

1:41:35.200 --> 1:41:37.080
<v Speaker 3>I have to peece so bad, and also we've recorded

1:41:37.080 --> 1:41:40.360
<v Speaker 3>longer than the movie, I know, but I wanted to

1:41:40.400 --> 1:41:43.800
<v Speaker 3>share a quote from an interview with Stu Krieger from

1:41:43.840 --> 1:41:47.400
<v Speaker 3>that same article in The Ringer, basically explaining why he

1:41:47.479 --> 1:41:52.360
<v Speaker 3>goes for a soft, optimistic end to this story outside

1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:53.760
<v Speaker 3>of the fact that it's a Disney movie and they

1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:56.920
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have allowed it. So he says, quote, I am

1:41:57.040 --> 1:41:59.680
<v Speaker 3>basically an optimistic person. The idea of wanting to have

1:41:59.720 --> 1:42:02.680
<v Speaker 3>a wreck, conciliation, wanting to have these things ultimately be

1:42:02.760 --> 1:42:05.160
<v Speaker 3>okay fit the Disney method, but it also fit what

1:42:05.200 --> 1:42:07.639
<v Speaker 3>was important to me. Almost every episode of The Twilight

1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Zone ends in some kind of horrible technology will kill you.

1:42:10.360 --> 1:42:12.240
<v Speaker 3>A way to be able to be the counterpoint and

1:42:12.280 --> 1:42:14.960
<v Speaker 3>the counterbalance to that is not a bad thing, which,

1:42:15.080 --> 1:42:18.240
<v Speaker 3>now that I hear that like that also feels very

1:42:18.280 --> 1:42:22.000
<v Speaker 3>in line with a lot of Star Trek ideology of

1:42:22.280 --> 1:42:27.519
<v Speaker 3>how technology is. I mean, there's like the kitchen in

1:42:27.560 --> 1:42:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Star Trek is exactly like the kitchen in the Smart House,

1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:32.720
<v Speaker 3>and that's presented as like, this is a really cool

1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:37.160
<v Speaker 3>innovation as long as it's used ethically, which again I

1:42:37.160 --> 1:42:38.760
<v Speaker 3>don't think this movie really has the space for it,

1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:40.840
<v Speaker 3>but it does feel like Star Trek is all about,

1:42:41.200 --> 1:42:45.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, hope for a technologically driven, optimistic future. It's

1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:49.680
<v Speaker 3>a fucking fantasy, but kind kind of nice. And then

1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:54.920
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to share a quote from LeVar Burton. This

1:42:55.000 --> 1:42:58.120
<v Speaker 3>is also an interview from twenty nineteen. He's being asked,

1:42:58.120 --> 1:43:00.559
<v Speaker 3>do you think about this movie a lot? That's a

1:43:00.600 --> 1:43:04.920
<v Speaker 3>weird question, says you know, because I started my directing

1:43:04.960 --> 1:43:08.320
<v Speaker 3>career at Star Trek, I just automatically embraced science fiction

1:43:08.400 --> 1:43:10.679
<v Speaker 3>and technology as a part of my background as a director.

1:43:11.160 --> 1:43:13.400
<v Speaker 3>I love science fiction and always have. Smart House for

1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:15.439
<v Speaker 3>me was a terrific exercise because not only was I

1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:17.880
<v Speaker 3>telling a story for a completely different audience, but part

1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:21.720
<v Speaker 3>of the idea was to really make that technology accessible

1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:24.880
<v Speaker 3>and real. The whole idea of pat we're there now right,

1:43:24.960 --> 1:43:27.120
<v Speaker 3>we are living in a time when technology has advanced

1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:29.280
<v Speaker 3>to the point where there are devices that are controlling

1:43:29.280 --> 1:43:32.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of aspects of our lives. I've got nest,

1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:34.040
<v Speaker 3>I've got the ring door bell. We all have so

1:43:34.040 --> 1:43:36.679
<v Speaker 3>many wireless devices that are connected to the Internet of Things.

1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:39.599
<v Speaker 3>Were there the flaw in Smart House is the kid

1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:41.800
<v Speaker 3>was looking for the technology to fulfill a need that

1:43:41.840 --> 1:43:44.680
<v Speaker 3>only a human being could and the result, as you

1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:47.960
<v Speaker 3>might predict, was disastrous. So I think that that is, like,

1:43:48.040 --> 1:43:51.839
<v Speaker 3>if that is like the core mission of this movie,

1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:53.560
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's successful.

1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I agree.

1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So even if this is a successful commentary on

1:43:59.040 --> 1:44:03.200
<v Speaker 3>technology and Night ninety nine, does it pass the Bechdel test?

1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:05.679
<v Speaker 2>It does?

1:44:06.000 --> 1:44:06.360
<v Speaker 3>It does?

1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Between Sarah and Angie, I think a couple of times,

1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and then Sarah and her creation Pat, which I guess

1:44:17.960 --> 1:44:21.400
<v Speaker 2>we can say is a female character, even though it's

1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:23.320
<v Speaker 2>an operating.

1:44:22.800 --> 1:44:27.160
<v Speaker 3>System genderless icon. Not a CIS man for sure. I yeah,

1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:29.800
<v Speaker 3>And we didn't really talk about Angie. I feel like

1:44:29.840 --> 1:44:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Angie is other than Ben being really mean to her.

1:44:34.960 --> 1:44:38.160
<v Speaker 3>I think that Angie is like treated in a pretty

1:44:38.200 --> 1:44:43.439
<v Speaker 3>gender neutral way. It's just like little sibling character generally.

1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's better at video games than her older brother. Yeah,

1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>so that's cool.

1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good for Angie, except of how interested she is

1:44:53.360 --> 1:44:56.400
<v Speaker 3>in her dad's sex life. That's weird. These we need

1:44:56.439 --> 1:44:59.320
<v Speaker 3>these kids in therapy. Anyways, it does pass the Vextel

1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:01.360
<v Speaker 3>test a lot of times, I think, most iconically between

1:45:01.439 --> 1:45:04.240
<v Speaker 3>Angie turning those girls away at the door. That's fun

1:45:05.720 --> 1:45:08.160
<v Speaker 3>and it's so funny that they get full names. So

1:45:08.200 --> 1:45:10.600
<v Speaker 3>it does get to pass. That's true. But that's not

1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:12.599
<v Speaker 3>the most important metric in the world, is it.

1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:16.519
<v Speaker 2>No, because that would be our nipple scale, a scale

1:45:16.640 --> 1:45:20.000
<v Speaker 2>where we rate the movie based on examining it through

1:45:20.080 --> 1:45:25.439
<v Speaker 2>an intersectional feminist lens zero to five nipples. I guess

1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll give this. I don't know, one and a half.

1:45:30.800 --> 1:45:36.439
<v Speaker 2>It's not really as far as as far as like gender.

1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:41.040
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot present about like gender roles and the

1:45:41.120 --> 1:45:46.240
<v Speaker 2>expectations of women and the expectations of mothers and things

1:45:46.280 --> 1:45:50.280
<v Speaker 2>like that. The movie doesn't really know how to handle

1:45:50.360 --> 1:45:53.120
<v Speaker 2>that in any kind of like thoughtful way, and it

1:45:53.200 --> 1:45:58.160
<v Speaker 2>mostly just relies on a lot of tropes and if

1:45:58.160 --> 1:45:59.760
<v Speaker 2>they are trying to if the movie is trying to

1:45:59.800 --> 1:46:04.000
<v Speaker 2>say something, it's not really sticking the landing. As far

1:46:04.080 --> 1:46:08.400
<v Speaker 2>as gender Roles Goes. I agree that it is successfully

1:46:08.479 --> 1:46:14.320
<v Speaker 2>operating as a kind of cautionary tale on AI interfering

1:46:14.560 --> 1:46:18.879
<v Speaker 2>too much in our human lives. But it just doesn't

1:46:19.520 --> 1:46:24.479
<v Speaker 2>really know exactly what it's doing with those other things,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say. But and then, like with Sarah being

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<v Speaker 2>written as a rather tropy character, it's a very white movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben has a friend who is a black kid. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't learn his name, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we just see him dance to slam Dunk the Funk,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he says a few like friend character things,

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<v Speaker 3>which is frustrating because it's like, this is a rare

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<v Speaker 3>dcon that has a black director, but there's very little

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<v Speaker 3>diversity to be seen in front of the camera or

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<v Speaker 3>behind it otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>True, which I'm sure is as a result of just

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure of the studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's not LeVar Burton's fault. Yeah, no, no, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it is very of the era in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, speaking of Ben's friends, Ben's friends, he's telling them

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<v Speaker 2>about all the things Pat can do, and his friends

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<v Speaker 2>are like, wow, that's like having the world's most perfect

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<v Speaker 2>mom who's only there to serve and who never complains.

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<v Speaker 2>And Ben is like exactly, So it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, I guess that's how we view moms fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's awesome. I'll give it one and a half nipples,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all going to the strawberry smoothie, which for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason is blue.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give it two and a half. I

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<v Speaker 3>really I think part of that is nostalgia driven, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think that I think the Sarah character has done

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<v Speaker 3>a huge disservice by not exploring the more interesting aspects

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<v Speaker 3>of her character and just relegating her to this role

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<v Speaker 3>that is not even necessary in this movie. I totally

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<v Speaker 3>agree with you that the there was way more space

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<v Speaker 3>in this mood, like and the ingredients are there, but

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like the writers like are just not equipped

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<v Speaker 3>to turn them into something of like examining like what

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<v Speaker 3>are the expectations of a mother and why in most

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<v Speaker 3>cases is that unfair and based in a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>historical patriarchy and like all this stuff. Like, there is

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<v Speaker 3>space in this movie and within the characters of Sarah

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<v Speaker 3>and Pat to explore that, and I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>movie definitely elects to go for a technology cautionary tale

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<v Speaker 3>over an examination of gender roles, but I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was possible to actually effectively do both, and that each

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<v Speaker 3>point would be made stronger by including the other. We

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<v Speaker 3>know that because there are movies that have done that

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<v Speaker 3>before and since, and there is space for that here,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's disappointing that it doesn't happen, but it is, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I really think it's an awesome movie, especially for a

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<v Speaker 3>movie of this genre. I like the ideas put forth

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<v Speaker 3>in Sarah's character. I love Pat, She's an icon, I

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<v Speaker 3>love her. I want to see a smart house drag

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<v Speaker 3>show like oh Wow. And I like the dynamic of

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<v Speaker 3>like a sort of like an all female reboot of

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<v Speaker 3>Frankenstein where like you get the creator and the like.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wish that we had gotten more between Sarah

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<v Speaker 3>and Pat and like watch that relationship go sour. If

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<v Speaker 3>the movie really does want Sarah to turn against Pat,

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<v Speaker 3>I would love for it to have been for a

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<v Speaker 3>reason other than my bayfan So, but I think that

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<v Speaker 3>there are so many interesting ideas put forward in this movie,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like it feels like as close to like

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<v Speaker 3>a technology kind of jump scare story that kids of

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<v Speaker 3>this generation got, and a lot of it holds up

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<v Speaker 3>really well and so uh, it's not an intersectional win

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<v Speaker 3>by any stretch of the imagination. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>like a really well told story, and I there's not

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<v Speaker 3>a lot like it out there for kids, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna go two point five and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>give one to Pat. I'm gonna give a one two Angie.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna give the last half to Gwen because she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get to do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there you go. Listeners. That is our smart

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<v Speaker 3>House episode of the Bechdel Cast. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for listening. And if you enjoyed the style of this episode,

1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.360
<v Speaker 3>well there's about one hundred and fifty more where that

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<v Speaker 3>came from.

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<v Speaker 2>It's truth, which is all found on our Matreon, Patreon,

1:50:57.520 --> 1:51:01.160
<v Speaker 2>dot com slash Bechtel Cast, where we do two episodes

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<v Speaker 2>every month. Usually is a part of a fun little theme.

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<v Speaker 2>In July, we're doing sleepover movies and.

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<v Speaker 3>We're having a sleepover to mark the occasion. Oh exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a blast over there, and yet it's like

1:51:15.680 --> 1:51:18.560
<v Speaker 3>generally more casual and goofy, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun so fun. We slam dunk the funk over there.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna be dancing in Unison at our sleepover for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah the house Jump Jump the house is jumping over

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<v Speaker 2>on the Matreon.

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<v Speaker 3>And by house we do of course me in one

1:51:34.000 --> 1:51:38.519
<v Speaker 3>bedroom apartment. And yeah, you can also find us on

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<v Speaker 3>social media, which I'm sure Pat's been mining our information

1:51:43.960 --> 1:51:49.120
<v Speaker 3>over there. Disgusting of her, but I love her. You

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<v Speaker 3>can find us every on Twitter and Instagram, at bachtel Cast,

1:51:53.439 --> 1:51:56.679
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1:51:56.720 --> 1:52:01.560
<v Speaker 3>slash the bachtel Cast. Wow, Caitlin, do you want to

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<v Speaker 3>go out and get some definitely strawberry milkshakes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but only if they're blue for some reason.

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<v Speaker 4>Oops, I spilled.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh don't worry, the floor absorbers will suck it up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>bye bye