Speaker 1: Jared, are you nervous? Now you've met Rob before, right
Speaker 1: or something like that?
Speaker 2: Hey man, how you doing?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good. This is Dean and Kaylen.
Speaker 3: Hey Rob, nice to meet you. A big fan.
Speaker 2: I apologize. I'm just pulling it together.
Speaker 5: I am normally a person that wakes up at like,
Speaker 5: you know, eight thirty or nine o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5: But last night we played in Birmingham and I had
Speaker 5: a friend on my bus, like an old friend that
Speaker 5: I haven't seen in a very long time, and things
Speaker 5: got silly.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you're burning the midnight oil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I apologize, but it's good to see you.
Speaker 4: Do you not apologize? All right? So we're going to
Speaker 4: bring it into the podcast right now. Help We Suck
Speaker 4: at Being Newlywed?
Speaker 6: Dean Angler, Caylen Lurkey, Ma, and Jared Haven An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to help We Suck At Being Newlyweds? Dean, Caylen,
Speaker 4: myself here, and we have a very special guest. I mean,
Speaker 4: this man just really needs no introduction. If you know
Speaker 4: anything about me, you know I've been a big fan
Speaker 4: of this musician and his band and his solo career.
Speaker 4: For a very long time. The man, the myth legend
Speaker 4: who's currently on tour, So thank you so much for
Speaker 4: taking the time to be on here, Rob Thomas, Rob,
Speaker 4: how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 2: Thank you man, dude. First of all, it's very good
Speaker 2: to see you. You know, I love you very much.
Speaker 5: I want to ask a question though, and I apologize
Speaker 5: for my ignorance. You, Jared, do not suck at being
Speaker 5: a newlywed. You are killing it. You're crushing this, are you?
Speaker 2: Do you? Guys? Also?
Speaker 5: Is that the thing that you guys think you suck
Speaker 5: at being newlyweds? And are you newlyweds?
Speaker 2: I want to, I want to. I want to upend
Speaker 2: this whole thing right now. I want to. I want
Speaker 2: to up in the sham of a podcast right now?
Speaker 3: Who's interviewing who? Here?
Speaker 1: We're not married yet, but we know the second we
Speaker 1: get married, we're going to be really sucky at it.
Speaker 1: So we're just kind of getting ahead of the ball
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 4: Are you guys married?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're getting married in September.
Speaker 2: Wow. The fact that you're not in the same room
Speaker 2: is not great.
Speaker 7: It's not it's not a good sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were, we were yesterday. I'm climbing all the
Speaker 1: mountains in Colorado. I just got full one. I'm in
Speaker 1: the back of my truck. So that's kind of why,
Speaker 1: you know, you were apologizing for it.
Speaker 5: That is very cool, I think right off the bat,
Speaker 5: I think it's very cool that Kaylan is cool with
Speaker 5: the fact that they, you know, letting you do your
Speaker 5: thing and what you need to do. That's important. That's
Speaker 5: a very cool thing. So I guess we all the problems.
Speaker 5: I'll see you guys there by.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well we've established, We've established Jared Nashley doesn't suck at
Speaker 1: being newly what's Kaylin doesn't suck? So I guess I
Speaker 1: really am just shouldering the load of sucking for this
Speaker 1: entire podcast.
Speaker 5: Basically, listen, I hate to tell you this, but the
Speaker 5: one thing that gets great about in relationship is you
Speaker 5: have to establish that one of you sucks, and it's
Speaker 5: going to be like, it's me.
Speaker 2: I know, it's me, So that's fine. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not my wife. My wife is awesome. It's me. I'm
Speaker 2: the problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, if Rob Thomas is saying that Perp Thomas is
Speaker 1: saying that, man, none of us have a chance, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's.
Speaker 4: My tell Astley all the time. I'm just a building
Speaker 4: with construction around it. Really, I'm a working I'm that
Speaker 4: road that we always drive past that is always getting
Speaker 4: work done and just never finished.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: My wife, My wife is kind of not loving hearing
Speaker 5: I'm a work in progress anymore because she's like, I've
Speaker 5: been with you for twenty five years?
Speaker 2: How long is that?
Speaker 5: How long is that construction happening? And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 5: I forgot to tell you. It's forever. It's gonna happen
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna stop.
Speaker 3: Well that's good. I think that.
Speaker 1: I think not necessarily a bad thing. Wait, can you
Speaker 1: guys share how you guys know each other? Because you
Speaker 1: guys have met each other before this podcast?
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Rob was Rob got dragged into Bachelor Nation somehow.
Speaker 4: So I remember it was, Oh, it was our my
Speaker 4: second season of Paradise and there's a show called After Paradise. Dean.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever got to do After
Speaker 4: Paradise or if I got canceled when your season aired,
Speaker 4: but it was like a recap show. So we flew
Speaker 4: out to La and the producer came in and gave
Speaker 4: me a run of show and they're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 4: we put together this like fifteen second montage and we're
Speaker 4: going to make a joke out of it of how
Speaker 4: you're leaving Paradise single but you actually found love and
Speaker 4: it's it's gonna be you just like talking about Rob Thomas,
Speaker 4: and I said, what the did she just said to me?
Speaker 4: And she goes, yeah, it's gonna be like it's gonna
Speaker 4: be super fun and catchy. It's gonna be great. And
Speaker 4: I'm like like, guys, please don't do this to me,
Speaker 4: cause it's just and then it aired and it was
Speaker 4: like me saying Rob's name over and over and over again,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, whatever. And then two days later,
Speaker 4: I'll never forget this moment. I was in a hotel
Speaker 4: room and I looked and I got tagged on an
Speaker 4: Access Hollywood article and it said Rob Thomas responds to
Speaker 4: his Bachelor in Paradise obsessed van Jared, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: you got it.
Speaker 2: That's when I put out the restraining order. I was like.
Speaker 4: This guy. I was like, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 4: But then Rob's such a good sport about it, to
Speaker 4: the point, dude, where when Ashley and I got engaged.
Speaker 4: You sent a video congratulating us. Chris Harrison pulls me
Speaker 4: to the side. It was like, hey, we have this
Speaker 4: video for you, and then he played it and so
Speaker 4: you robbed congratulating Ashley, and I'm like, what the hell
Speaker 4: is going on?
Speaker 5: Funny man, You guys may made me rethink what I
Speaker 5: thought my idea of this whole Bachelor thing was in
Speaker 5: the sense that you know, you and Ashley are a
Speaker 5: thousand percent this real, very real couple that I you know,
Speaker 5: and when I saw you guys, and I see you
Speaker 5: guys together and I saw like, I was just like,
Speaker 5: that's all I knew was you guys. I knew you
Speaker 5: because of this show. You guys were this very real connection.
Speaker 2: Like it was. It was you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like it was, it was. It was sweet. And she's
Speaker 2: obviously just awesome, you know.
Speaker 4: No no construction around her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, No, she's not like us, She's not
Speaker 2: one of us.
Speaker 5: It just retrained my whole brain to think about, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, everybody's going through their own thing and they
Speaker 5: find it, they find it in their own way.
Speaker 1: Rob, did you ever did you ever hear about the
Speaker 1: like heard about it, Sure, But did you ever like
Speaker 1: watch it or anything like that, or was this like
Speaker 1: your first experience.
Speaker 5: I don't mean to sound weird when I say it,
Speaker 5: but I don't like to have any reality TV in
Speaker 5: my thing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: That's not to say I don't watch trash TV. I
Speaker 5: watch a lot of trash. I mean I watched a
Speaker 5: lot of really horrible you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 5: I watched too much TV to begin with. I just
Speaker 5: never got into the anything reality Like the closest thing
Speaker 5: was I for a minute, I got into like during
Speaker 5: the pandemic. I got a little too into Love It
Speaker 5: or Listed. That's a great show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I'm just I'm a little bit. I'm talking. I'm alone,
Speaker 5: and I'm talking to the TV, and I'm going like,
Speaker 5: are you gonna buy are you gonna sell it?
Speaker 2: Buy it? By it? Oh you are.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, we're big h G t V people, We're big.
Speaker 4: Uh not love It, love It or Listed? But also,
Speaker 4: oh my god, what the hell am my House Hunters?
Speaker 2: Who's in the new power Couple? From uh? From h
Speaker 2: G t V?
Speaker 7: Like the uh oh oh Magnolia Network.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh my god, yes, yeah, I want I want
Speaker 5: ship to fix my house and I want Joanna to
Speaker 5: fix me.
Speaker 4: I know they're not knowing it. I like walk into
Speaker 4: Target and they're just pictures are everywhere. So Rob, this
Speaker 4: is like I do want to obviously talk about the
Speaker 4: brand new album, Where the Light Goes.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about your jawline. How do you
Speaker 2: keep that going?
Speaker 3: Man? Look at you, dude, he's got he's got the filling.
Speaker 4: She chisels it every night. It's it's extensive work, but
Speaker 4: it's well worth it and we'll get working on Dawson
Speaker 4: in no time. But dude, So yeah, obviously the new
Speaker 4: album Where the Legos that you're on tour right now
Speaker 4: for with the hit single wild Dogs running in a
Speaker 4: Slow Dream. So like, I gotta ask you because tour,
Speaker 4: I don't know how I mean, I don't know. It's
Speaker 4: obviously incredible. You get this incredible job, you get to
Speaker 4: go on tour and sing all these songs that you've
Speaker 4: written and like have met so much to people. But
Speaker 4: how do you survive a tour? Because it is a grind.
Speaker 2: It you know it is.
Speaker 5: But to be fair, I think you know there's an
Speaker 5: entire like we have fifty two, we have we have
Speaker 5: nine buses, seven semis, and fifty two people that travel,
Speaker 5: not including all the local crew every time you get
Speaker 5: to somewhere, So it's a mountain of people that are
Speaker 5: there just to make sure that every night, these two
Speaker 5: hours get off the ground and work right.
Speaker 2: So all I have to do is be capable.
Speaker 5: All I have to do is show up and sing
Speaker 5: for those two hours and like whatever, meet and greets.
Speaker 2: Right, It's not.
Speaker 5: It's not that big of a deal when you think
Speaker 5: about the fact that I've I'm like a baby. Everybody
Speaker 5: just takes care of me. I'm like the quarterback. Everybody
Speaker 5: just makes sure that I don't go down, like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, and I'm protected, and it's something
Speaker 5: that I've done for the last thirty years, so just
Speaker 5: like you know, you guys know like it it's a
Speaker 5: muscle that I've worked for so long that it's just,
Speaker 5: you know. The only thing was during the last during
Speaker 5: the pandemic, there was that three year period where right
Speaker 5: before we finally pulled the trigger and went out, I
Speaker 5: almost felt like I was just a fifty one year
Speaker 5: old guy that lived in Westchester, right, Like I just
Speaker 5: had my card again and I was going to good time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And I was just like, for a second, the reality
Speaker 5: between like who I was and who I am, Like
Speaker 5: last night, when I'm on stage, I couldn't I didn't
Speaker 5: think it was gonna happen again, Like they didn't make
Speaker 5: sense to me because you do put up. I think
Speaker 5: you guys understand this, like that when you work, you
Speaker 5: put on a persona to some degree, even even if
Speaker 5: your persona is yourself, it's a it's an ultra hyper
Speaker 5: version of yourself. Right, It's like me an ultracolor. So
Speaker 5: like when I get on stage, I'm just I'm a
Speaker 5: little bit taller than I actually am in real life.
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit cooler than I actually am in
Speaker 5: real life. But you know what I mean, And and
Speaker 5: you buy into it for those two hours. And then
Speaker 5: so I missed that for a minute, and I thought
Speaker 5: that that wasn't going to happen. So I did realize
Speaker 5: that it was. It was a little more than just
Speaker 5: walking on stage. You know, it's a there's a there's
Speaker 5: a thing that kind of has to happen. I think
Speaker 5: for anybody that does anything in public, you have to
Speaker 5: feel a little bit.
Speaker 2: You have to find something about yourself that you.
Speaker 5: Feel good about that you don't feel good about all
Speaker 5: the time to be able to go out in public
Speaker 5: and feel comfortable with that.
Speaker 2: And you guys live in public, so you understand what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose I've got a question for you. So
Speaker 1: all we have to do is go out and be ourselves.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, you're basically being yourself too,
Speaker 1: right You're singing the songs that you you know, put
Speaker 1: together and are performing now for a bunch of people
Speaker 1: in the meet and greets. All you're doing is being yourself,
Speaker 1: and so it must be you know, it's a grind,
Speaker 1: but all you're doing is being yourself right now.
Speaker 5: I think I'm more myself when I'm writing a song,
Speaker 5: but performing a song in front of fifteen thousand people
Speaker 5: is a different version of myself, And it's not the
Speaker 5: person that I am like right now, you know, Like
Speaker 5: the person that i'm right now doesn't think that I'm
Speaker 5: cool enough to stand in front of fifteen thousand people.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 5: There's a weird thing I think about about writing music
Speaker 5: and and performing especially is that you have to like
Speaker 5: have no narcissism when you write a song, but then
Speaker 5: when you perform a song, you and and put out
Speaker 5: a record and do those things. You have to have
Speaker 5: at least a little bit because you have to think
Speaker 5: that what you just did is so important that other
Speaker 5: people need to hear it, right, Like, that's that's crazy
Speaker 5: to think that I just did something and now I
Speaker 5: want to push it on people want people to have
Speaker 5: to hear this because I think it's you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean Like, So there's a little bit you
Speaker 2: have to have a little bit of.
Speaker 5: Narcissism, and but then you have to take it away
Speaker 5: like when you know, when people don't like it, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? I mean like, because if you're
Speaker 5: if you're do well enough to be somebody's favorite band,
Speaker 5: then you're also doing well enough to be somebody's least
Speaker 5: favorite band.
Speaker 2: And that's something you have to deal with and learn
Speaker 2: to kind of like you know ingest.
Speaker 4: Has there a been a song that you wrote that
Speaker 4: either took off and you were like, Wow, I did
Speaker 4: not expect people to connect with this as much as
Speaker 4: I thought. And then conversely, was there ever a song
Speaker 4: that you wrote and you're like, this thing is gonna
Speaker 4: crush and people just didn't connect with it as well?
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, the second what happens more?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Okay, this guy who's like Grammy Award winning
Speaker 4: one of the Greatest singers songs of all time. Oh,
Speaker 4: nobody likes my songs, dude.
Speaker 5: I mean thirty thirty years, you know, five solo records,
Speaker 5: six masss Like, there's a lot of turns in there, man.
Speaker 2: I mean you can't.
Speaker 5: You can't just you know, because you write, because you
Speaker 5: write in the moment, things that you think are okay.
Speaker 5: Like we have songs that we still joke about to
Speaker 5: this day, like Massbox and we have like a song
Speaker 5: called like Sugar. I'm like, how did I write that song?
Speaker 5: It's it's it's a horrible, horrible song. We'll never we'll
Speaker 5: never play it live, We'll never talk about it. Like
Speaker 5: it's just it's like we had.
Speaker 2: An ugly child that we just don't talk about.
Speaker 4: It's really not a bad song, but go on, I mean.
Speaker 5: I think you know one of the okay, So, like
Speaker 5: one of the things I remember when we put out
Speaker 5: our third record, More Than You Think You Are Disease
Speaker 5: was the first single, and we lived in this in
Speaker 5: the world, which is so different than today, but.
Speaker 2: We were in the studio finishing the record.
Speaker 5: Listening to the song on the radio, like we had
Speaker 5: put it out to radio, and like we kind of
Speaker 5: put ourselves to task. So like we put it out
Speaker 5: radio started playing it because we were still have this
Speaker 5: momentum back then when it wasn't this calendar of information
Speaker 5: that's happening now.
Speaker 2: It was like a siphon like you you know, like
Speaker 2: you would you could take.
Speaker 5: A song, bring it to a radio station and they
Speaker 5: could be the first radio station to play it, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like it was in that kind
Speaker 5: of a time.
Speaker 2: It didn't do is what we thought it was.
Speaker 5: Going to do, but you take that plus longevity, and
Speaker 5: then like twenty something years later we played disease and
Speaker 5: it comes off like a hit, right just because we
Speaker 5: have a group of initiated fans that have been with
Speaker 5: us and playing along with the home game for a
Speaker 5: long time. And so like every time now they come
Speaker 5: and they and we all remember it like all that
Speaker 5: was a giant hit. But in truth, at the time
Speaker 5: the label is just like ooh, you know, biting their nails,
Speaker 5: like this is a problem.
Speaker 4: Like I think it so crazy.
Speaker 5: It's not going to be said about longevity, Like if
Speaker 5: you stick around, if you just keep nailing it long enough.
Speaker 2: Right, That has its own kind of reward, I think.
Speaker 4: So I also were dating podcasts obviously, so we have
Speaker 4: to talk about relationships. I thought we're gonna have our
Speaker 4: relationships here well, of course, but you know me, I
Speaker 4: have to talk about music for a little while.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Dean. Let's all about Dean. Dean, what's up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, now these two are getting married very soon September. There,
Speaker 4: that's the whole newly woed spin on this thing. So
Speaker 4: Dean is currently his thing is that he wants to climb.
Speaker 4: He's from Denver and he wants to climb fifty mountains
Speaker 4: before the wedding. Dude, I forgot. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Go you just said from Denver, from Basalt, there's fifty
Speaker 1: eight mountains over fourteen thousand feet and I want to
Speaker 1: climb all of them before my wedding, and like a
Speaker 1: real rid of passage first.
Speaker 2: So I think it's awesome.
Speaker 5: Like and Caitlyn, I think when you when you marry someone,
Speaker 5: you marry all of them, right, Yeah, Like my wife
Speaker 5: married my wife married me, but she also married the road.
Speaker 2: You know, she married that I was, she married my
Speaker 2: absence to some degree. You know.
Speaker 5: She mean like when when she knew that there was
Speaker 5: certain things that like I give everything when I'm here,
Speaker 5: but then if I'm not here, everything goes to her. Right,
Speaker 5: he had like we had that that rule that the
Speaker 5: second that we got that we met. My thing was
Speaker 5: this is this is my baggage, and I give this
Speaker 5: to my baggage, and then I promise you everything else
Speaker 5: is you. I give everything else to you, but I
Speaker 5: but this is what this came with me. Right, So,
Speaker 5: like I appreciate that, and I appreciate you, Calen, like
Speaker 5: like that you appreciate that, you know, because if you
Speaker 5: took that part away from him, he wouldn't be the
Speaker 5: guy that you want to marry, right.
Speaker 3: True, how do you feel about that? Calen? Let's hear
Speaker 3: let's hear your thoughts on that.
Speaker 7: No, I mean, I mean, I'm thinking about Rob's wife.
Speaker 6: She probably has to be pretty independent because I feel
Speaker 6: like we spend a lot of time together but also
Speaker 6: a lot of time apart, and I think it's healthy
Speaker 6: for our relationship. I don't know if it's I mean,
Speaker 6: you guys have been married for twenty years, so it
Speaker 6: sounds like you've got a healthy thing going.
Speaker 3: Everybody, hold on, I know froze but I can still
Speaker 3: hear him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can still your buddy.
Speaker 2: Hello, guys.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry you guys froze up on me and I
Speaker 5: I really if you don't mind, Kalen, could you could
Speaker 5: you repeat that for me, just because I wonder hear
Speaker 5: what you had to say about it because I missed it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just saying, your wife probably has to
Speaker 6: be pretty independent to live this life, because I feel
Speaker 6: like we have something a little similar where we do
Speaker 6: spend a lot of time apart, but also a lot
Speaker 6: of time together and it's a healthy thing, like, at
Speaker 6: least for us, I feel like you can find a
Speaker 6: good balance in it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think, you know, I think it's one
Speaker 5: of those cliches. But it's not about quantity, right, It's
Speaker 5: about the quality of the time. Like when my wife
Speaker 5: and I are together, we're together. I mean, we like
Speaker 5: to be fair. We also, you know, we I think
Speaker 5: one time in twenty five years we've spent more than
Speaker 5: two weeks apart. Otherwise, we have a two week rule,
Speaker 5: which seems to be kind of a standard across the
Speaker 5: board of people that I know, is like two weeks
Speaker 5: is when you like when the when the rivets start
Speaker 5: to fall out and it starts to shake, and it
Speaker 5: starts to want to break.
Speaker 2: Right like just because you need to you need a
Speaker 2: little bit of FaceTime. But we can do.
Speaker 5: We can do two weeks and then a couple of
Speaker 5: days and then two weeks if we had to, you know,
Speaker 5: like like when I'm you know, but I do think
Speaker 5: you know again, you need to put the relationship doesn't.
Speaker 2: Work if you don't put a hell of amount of
Speaker 2: effort into it.
Speaker 5: But if you forget to put the individual effort, then
Speaker 5: that the ingredients that made each other really want to
Speaker 5: be together, that doesn't exist anymore either.
Speaker 2: And so you know, it's it's a balance.
Speaker 5: And the thing about I'll say from the other, from
Speaker 5: the from this side of it, from twenty five years in,
Speaker 5: is that that balance doesn't change because you you grow
Speaker 5: and evolve, you become, You're still you're never not becoming. Right,
Speaker 5: So like when you guys are going to be in
Speaker 5: your fifties and your sixties, you're still going to be becoming.
Speaker 5: You're going to becoming whatever it is you were supposed
Speaker 5: to become at that point in your life.
Speaker 2: And now you're just doing.
Speaker 5: It together, so you you know, you're still working that
Speaker 5: balance of allowing each other to become who you're supposed
Speaker 5: to be.
Speaker 2: While you're trying to figure out who you are as
Speaker 2: a unit.
Speaker 3: You know, a guy makes a lot of sense to
Speaker 3: the unit. Is the best thing.
Speaker 5: Like I can't imagine right now me being fifty one
Speaker 5: years old and having a world that Madi's not in it,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like it's so weird like
Speaker 5: to think about because it's such a part of who
Speaker 5: I am. But at the same time, like I left,
Speaker 5: I went home the other day for two days drop
Speaker 5: because she was on the road with me for like
Speaker 5: for like a month, and we you know, we had
Speaker 5: two days off, so I took money home, got her
Speaker 5: and Ali kind of settled in. We had to take
Speaker 5: Ali to the vet and we you know, I went,
Speaker 5: I went straight from like rockstar to like daddy husband life,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: And uh, but the money, like her thing was just
Speaker 2: like you know what I want.
Speaker 5: I want you to go out, like I want you
Speaker 5: to go now and have a couple of weeks of
Speaker 5: just doing you on the road without this.
Speaker 2: I want you to just go to that.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a question for you and ask
Speaker 1: you a question. Hopefully, hopefully this gets through with my connection.
Speaker 1: So there's this great John Mulaney bit where he's talking
Speaker 1: about Mick Jagger and about how these.
Speaker 3: Mega star Yes you're seeing it, okay, great.
Speaker 1: So for the listeners, he's basically saying, how Mike Jack,
Speaker 1: people like Mick Jagger, you gir through the life never
Speaker 1: hearing the word no, because there are such megastars.
Speaker 3: How do you How is that for you?
Speaker 1: Because like you're you know, you've been married for twenty
Speaker 1: five years, but you're this huge star that I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly, but like you probably don't hear the word
Speaker 1: know very often.
Speaker 2: Right, that's not sure at all. I I have it,
Speaker 2: I haven't. We have a joke in our household. There's
Speaker 2: the one in the two percent.
Speaker 5: So, like I got into a big fight with my
Speaker 5: label one time, and I was like, they want they
Speaker 5: didn't want to do something, they didn't want to pay
Speaker 5: for something, and I was like, listen, they're probably two
Speaker 5: percent of the people in the world that have ever
Speaker 5: been where I've been.
Speaker 2: Over the last twenty something years. You know.
Speaker 5: Like I went off on this rant about the two
Speaker 5: percent and my buddy at the time who since passed.
Speaker 2: He said, uh, why two percent? Why didn't you just
Speaker 2: go for the one like?
Speaker 5: And I said, and I said, well, because the one
Speaker 5: percent is like Mick Jagger, like these these are one
Speaker 5: percent of people like because because they live a life
Speaker 5: that I can't imagine, you know, Like I spent like
Speaker 5: three days with Mick Jagger.
Speaker 2: I thought I was famous, and then I was like.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I have no idea. You think you're famous
Speaker 5: because you can call into a really hot club and
Speaker 5: get you know, and get let into the club. You're
Speaker 5: famous when you just show up to the club and
Speaker 5: they go, oh my god, it's your club now, mister
Speaker 5: Jagger like that. So like I like I I I live.
Speaker 2: In a world where I where it turns on and
Speaker 2: it turns off.
Speaker 5: Like I live in a world where I'm the kind
Speaker 5: of famous where I walk down my grocery store aisle,
Speaker 5: which Mick Jagger doesn't do.
Speaker 2: And I walked down my.
Speaker 5: Grocery store aisle and like my my songs playing on
Speaker 5: the like on the speaker, and like one of my
Speaker 5: neighbors goes by me and goes, ah.
Speaker 2: Like I'm here. I'm not.
Speaker 5: I am a successful musician, but I'm not I'm not
Speaker 5: a celebrity or a famous I don't feel I hate
Speaker 5: the word famous. I've been working on that with my therapist,
Speaker 5: like trying to describe like something when in a situation
Speaker 5: but not using the word famous. I was like, you know,
Speaker 5: like outside of like like my relationship with my father,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you know, before I.
Speaker 2: Was, And she goes say famous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before I did that thing, and you know, just
Speaker 4: starts with the NPT rhymes with amus. You know, so, Rob,
Speaker 4: I know you gotta get going, you're super busy. I
Speaker 4: wanted to say that you gave me and Ashley one
Speaker 4: of the best, the best piece of relationship advice that
Speaker 4: you probably would never remember. But it was one of
Speaker 4: the first times that we ever talked, and you said,
Speaker 4: I think you probably saw like just the you know,
Speaker 4: it was probably like we talked about earlier. You knew
Speaker 4: that we reported this Bachelor World. It's like, all right,
Speaker 4: is this a real relationship. And I'm sure you saw
Speaker 4: us in like kind of the dynamic that actually and
Speaker 4: I have. And I remember you said, like, don't ever
Speaker 4: forget whoever you marry is gonna be the person that
Speaker 4: you have a conversation with every day for the rest
Speaker 4: of your life. So just make sure that you like
Speaker 4: them and that this person is your friend. And I've
Speaker 4: always thought about that ever since because actually someone that
Speaker 4: I have a conversation with every single day of my
Speaker 4: life and it never gets old.
Speaker 5: Oh see, yeah, I mean my wife is my best friend,
Speaker 5: bar none like you know, it goes my wife and
Speaker 5: then Paul, you know from Matchbox You're like and and
Speaker 5: everything else is such a far sec that you know,
Speaker 5: I could I could finish the race and have a
Speaker 5: cup of coffee before they even shut up.
Speaker 2: That's the finish line, like like we.
Speaker 5: Her and I are you know, she's my ride or
Speaker 5: die forever and and that And that's twenty five years man.
Speaker 5: That's There's a lot of water under a lot of bridges.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things, you know that that will happen.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that are going to come
Speaker 5: and go. There's gonna be a lot of fights. There's
Speaker 5: gonna be some fights that you're gonna have. They're going
Speaker 5: to be longer than some of your friends relationships. But
Speaker 5: but you know, but you weather through them and then
Speaker 5: you're you're stronger on the other side of all of them.
Speaker 5: So I I I can't say more to be an
Speaker 5: advocate of of marriage and long term like, I just
Speaker 5: think it's it's it's so made me who I am?
Speaker 2: Uh And I think I think listen, I think you
Speaker 2: guys are doing it really right. Dean.
Speaker 5: I think you know the fact that that you know,
Speaker 5: you're you're calling us from your van right now, and
Speaker 5: you have these goals that you wanted to set out.
Speaker 5: In the fact that Kalin's okay with those goals and
Speaker 5: wants to help you achieve those goals, that's step one, honestly,
Speaker 5: you know, because it could be like, you know, you
Speaker 5: could go in this world, this weird nation where like
Speaker 5: Kailin's like, oh no, not now, you're with me. We're
Speaker 5: going to do this right, and then some degrees, some
Speaker 5: people woul look at it and be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's you know what you did that, you tamed
Speaker 5: that down and you did that for her. But long
Speaker 5: term relationship, thirty year relationship, it's like, yeah, no, let's
Speaker 5: let's let's let Dean do that because he needs to
Speaker 5: do that. And that's really what Kent likes about Dean
Speaker 5: is that he's a guy who wants to be in
Speaker 5: a van right now, you know, climbing the mountains, which,
Speaker 5: first off, I can't understand at all. I am going
Speaker 5: out today for the first time in my entire life.
Speaker 5: When I get off these Internet, I'm doing like two
Speaker 5: hours of interviews. I mean, I have a day off
Speaker 5: in Texas and I'm going to go to a driving
Speaker 5: range for the first time in my entire life.
Speaker 1: No, wow, be careful, you might fall in love with
Speaker 1: the sport. I'm telling you, it gets all of us.
Speaker 2: I love any opportunity to suck at something.
Speaker 1: Hey, so I could be in an earlioad. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I feel like I say, Caylin and
Speaker 1: I both kind of say the same thing about that too.
Speaker 1: You know, we want to give each other space to
Speaker 1: be themselves so that way when we come back together
Speaker 1: we can feel like the fullest version of ourselves. I
Speaker 1: feel like we've kind of set that precedent pretty early on,
Speaker 1: and we've done a pretty good job of keeping up
Speaker 1: with it. The only thing I was worried about this
Speaker 1: specific mission that I'm on right now is it's like
Speaker 1: right before the wedding, and Kaylin', I'm so blessed to
Speaker 1: be with you obviously, because you know, with everything that's
Speaker 1: kind of looming in a couple of months, it's it's
Speaker 1: a big ask of me to take off for a
Speaker 1: little bit, but appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Just a little word advice, don't use words.
Speaker 7: Like looming, looming. It is not a good word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good, my bad, my my bad.
Speaker 1: Looming doesn't have like a negative connotation on it. Just
Speaker 1: for the word looming. But I see what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I retract my statement. It's not looming, it's I'm
Speaker 1: waiting with the anticipation for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, looming is definitely negative. Bro, Rob, thank you so
Speaker 4: much for joining us. You're the man. Everyone obviously is
Speaker 4: already going to listen to your album. Go see them
Speaker 4: on tour right now, Mashboks twenty Rob. I'll see you
Speaker 4: in a couple of months when you come to the
Speaker 4: East coast in mass mass Yeah, we're gonna go to
Speaker 4: the Mansfield.
Speaker 2: Show, right Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 4: Man, All right, cool, Well, thank you so much for
Speaker 4: taking the time out of your day. Man, really appreciate it. Rob,
Speaker 4: You're the man, dude, Love you guys. If you well, bye, buddy,
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Be careful.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here to take care,
Speaker 1: great to meet you. You know, I've never really listened
Speaker 1: to Rob Thomas's music before, but I think I just
Speaker 1: fell in love.
Speaker 3: I think I just fell in love with that man.
Speaker 3: He's so cool.
Speaker 6: I feel like he understands you, and he I could
Speaker 6: listen to him talk for forever.
Speaker 1: He was so much knowledge yeah and knowledgeable in so glad.
Speaker 4: That he Because I've said this for so long, Like
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why I'm such a fan of
Speaker 4: like whoever I'm a fan of, whether it be Brady
Speaker 4: or you know whatever, Rob Thomas, it's because like, not
Speaker 4: only do I listen to the music, but I kind
Speaker 4: of like just listen to interviews or I you know,
Speaker 4: when I see them live, I hear them talk and
Speaker 4: on their perspective on life and advice they give, and
Speaker 4: over the years, I'm like, this guy's got so he's
Speaker 4: so well spoken, and he's so has so much interesting
Speaker 4: perspectives on relationships and jobs and just life in general
Speaker 4: that I was so happy when he was talking. I
Speaker 4: could tell that YouTube were so engaged, and it made
Speaker 4: me really happy because I was like, they see what
Speaker 4: I see, which makes me right.
Speaker 3: It's such a change from how we act when you're talking.
Speaker 4: Obviously just like on your phone, and it's quite alright.
Speaker 3: No, I agree.
Speaker 1: I've never judged you for your optomis obsession. I've always
Speaker 1: admired you for, like I've said, for being able to
Speaker 1: like think so much. I wish I could do these things.
Speaker 1: I see it now. I totally get it. I am obsessed.
Speaker 3: I love RAHP. Thomas.
Speaker 4: And you know what, You're gonna listen to his music
Speaker 4: differently now, and it's gonna have it's it's gonna have
Speaker 4: like a different effect on you, especially knowing that he
Speaker 4: like the cool part about his music is that he
Speaker 4: writes and he sings every song. So like every song
Speaker 4: that he has written is meaningful to him, like it
Speaker 4: tells the story. Like three Am, one of his biggest hits,
Speaker 4: is a story about how he coked through the time
Speaker 4: of when his mom actually became an alcoholic, and that's
Speaker 4: what like the genesis of that song was. And then
Speaker 4: like you know, there's just all these different songs that
Speaker 4: I go on and on about about, like stories that
Speaker 4: involve his life or his perspective on things, and so
Speaker 4: like now when you listen to his songs, it's I
Speaker 4: feel like you'll hit differently now that you've been able
Speaker 4: to meet in person.
Speaker 3: I agree, I'll rebinge some of his music. But I've
Speaker 3: got a question. So I was a.
Speaker 1: Little I misunderstood your guys's like relationship. I know, obviously
Speaker 1: everything that happened with Paradise. I remember that video, and
Speaker 1: I remember seeing your reaction. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you guys ever met and hung out in person? Yes?
Speaker 4: So then I was at So. Then there was an
Speaker 4: after the Bachelor thing, uh, And I met him beforehand,
Speaker 4: just as a fan. I went to a meet and
Speaker 4: greet once, but after Bachelor happened in the video, and
Speaker 4: then he became aware of my mind. In Ashley's existence,
Speaker 4: there was an iHeart concert where he was releasing a
Speaker 4: new album. It's just twenty nineteen, I guess he was
Speaker 4: in eighteen. And it was a small venue. It was
Speaker 4: like two hundred people in this auditorium, and because it
Speaker 4: was iHeart, they had Ashley and I in the front row.
Speaker 4: And when I tell you, this thing was like an auditorium.
Speaker 4: We were like two feet from the stage and there
Speaker 4: was only two hundred people in this room. Like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is weird. Like, he's definitely gonna see us sitting
Speaker 4: here and no exactly who we are, be like, oh,
Speaker 4: these are a frigg of people from Bachelor that I
Speaker 4: sent a congratulations engagement video too, So it was cool.
Speaker 4: So then he saw us, he goes, hey, what's up, man,
Speaker 4: and like, oh, good to see you, blah blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. And then he invited this backstage after the show,
Speaker 4: which is really nice, and we talked for like twenty minutes,
Speaker 4: and I think that's when we started bonding, because then,
Speaker 4: you know, I'd like to think that Ashley and I
Speaker 4: are pretty dumb to earth. So we were just hanging
Speaker 4: out and talking to had a beer with him, which
Speaker 4: was a lot of fun, and then we exchanged phone
Speaker 4: numbers and then I saw him. We went to a
Speaker 4: concert in Massachusetts later that year, and he invited his
Speaker 4: backstage before the show and we just got to hang
Speaker 4: him for a while. It was actually really funny because
Speaker 4: I guess he was twenty nineteen because Brady was still
Speaker 4: on the Patriots. Julian Edelman is a big Matchbox twenty fan.
Speaker 4: He's actually posted about Matchbox twenty on his Instagram, and
Speaker 4: so I was talking to Rob before the show and
Speaker 4: then he goes, oh, yeah, like I think Julian Edelman
Speaker 4: and Tom Brady were supposed to come. They were supposed
Speaker 4: to like be here, and I was like what I
Speaker 4: was like, Bro, if I walked into a room and
Speaker 4: I saw Rob Thomas and Tom Brady, yeah, I would
Speaker 4: shoot myself because life would never get any better than
Speaker 4: that moment for me. So that's a really fun funny story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only time I've ever met my favorite musician. His
Speaker 1: name is Slug. He's from Atmosphere. I was nineteen years
Speaker 1: old and I was, oh, okay, I was twenty one
Speaker 1: years old. Actually I was very drunk, very very drunk,
Speaker 1: and it was at a small venue and Aspen and
Speaker 1: I went up to him and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I just embarrassed the crap out of myself, and
Speaker 1: he like basically shruck me off. And it was one
Speaker 1: of the worst experiences of my life because I grew
Speaker 1: up idolizing this guy.
Speaker 3: Similar to you and Rob.
Speaker 1: But my experience having met him was not nearly as
Speaker 1: positive as yours was meeting Rob, and it was mostly me,
Speaker 1: like it was obviously my fault, but like it still
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a bummer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sucks men. That's why they always say, don't
Speaker 4: meet your heroes. But I've been so lucky to have
Speaker 4: such good interactions with the people that I've looked up
Speaker 4: to and been a fan of for so long that
Speaker 4: I'm always like, I don't know, I think you should
Speaker 4: meet him. But then there's other stories like yourself, where
Speaker 4: you're like, I don't know, if I don't know if
Speaker 4: I should have, you know, kind of ruined the.
Speaker 2: Experience for you.
Speaker 6: I bet Sobriety plays into it too. You're probably mostly
Speaker 6: sober for your encounters me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a fair point. Yeah, definitely, I don't. I'm
Speaker 4: not a nervous strinker like a lot of people. Actually
Speaker 4: is like this too. She gets nervous before a big moment.
Speaker 4: She'd be like I need I need a glass of wine,
Speaker 4: or I need like a shot or something, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's the last thing I want, because that doesn't take
Speaker 4: the edge off for me. It just makes me subconsciously
Speaker 4: or excuse me consciously now think that I'm going to
Speaker 4: start slurring my words, you know, or not speaking as
Speaker 4: elocately as I want to. So, yeah, I've never really
Speaker 4: turned to that. I've been very lucky knock On Wood,
Speaker 4: but I know other people are, you know, much more
Speaker 4: of an issue. No, Dean, obviously this is way different.
Speaker 3: Caitlyn, who would you love to meet? Singer? The singer?
Speaker 7: Why she's a singer?
Speaker 4: Dude, we gotta get Hillary Duff on this podcast.
Speaker 6: It will never happen. I know we've talked about it,
Speaker 6: but maybe one day I can meet her.
Speaker 1: At least we just got Rob freaking Thomas on this podcast.
Speaker 3: You're telling me we can't get Hillary Duff.
Speaker 4: We can get I feel like Hillary is on the
Speaker 4: same level as Rob.
Speaker 1: I would say she's even a little step below.
Speaker 3: My discredit to Hillary Duff. Love her, but Rob.
Speaker 1: Thomas, I mean, come on, what a dream boat.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just like setting my expectations low.
Speaker 4: You know, there's got I mean, especially because she's on
Speaker 4: How I Met Your Father?
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I feel like if iHeart could just bring
Speaker 6: her in, then then there's a way that we can meet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially if she's looking for We're gonna make this happen.
Speaker 4: We're putting it out in the universe right now, especially
Speaker 4: if they have a new season of How I Met
Speaker 4: Your Father, Like, come on, she's got to do it.
Speaker 7: It would have to be in person. I don't want
Speaker 7: to do a zoom.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7: If I zoom Hillary Duff, I'd be like.
Speaker 1: We gotta get Hillary Duff, we gotta get John Craigie
Speaker 1: and then maybe we can get slug.
Speaker 3: On here at some point too.
Speaker 4: Sluk also, beggars can't be choosers. So if Hillary Duff
Speaker 4: can get is get do a zoom, we're doing the zoom.
Speaker 7: Yeah that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Jared, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Have you been doing something different with your teeth? They
Speaker 1: are looking phenomenal? Wait seriously, Yeah, well.
Speaker 4: That's very sweet. I'm always sub conscious about my teeth
Speaker 4: because I feel like they're white. But I mean, dude,
Speaker 4: you got like you guys just have such pearly whites.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, Like look at your I mean I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to blow your head up here, but
Speaker 4: like between you and Kaitlin, it's like, every day I
Speaker 4: have this podcast, I'm like, uh, you know what it is?
Speaker 4: I think I think it's every time I shave, I
Speaker 4: feel like my teeth look a little bit wider. Why
Speaker 4: that is, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Well, whatever you're doing, it's working. And my teeth are
Speaker 3: my biggest insecurity as well, which blows my mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for the podcast, rap is on here. You know
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make sure it look good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've been staring at it in the entire episode. So
Speaker 1: congrats to you. Keep doing whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Quick update before we go. So you are obviously in Colorado.
Speaker 3: Really, yes, sir?
Speaker 4: So how many mountains do you have?
Speaker 1: Well, I climbed to this morning, so not a big
Speaker 1: deal climb too this morning. I've got I've got forty
Speaker 1: eight more to go, forty more to go, forty eight
Speaker 1: more to go. But this podcast doesn't air until July ninth,
Speaker 1: so by that point I should have done. By July ninth,
Speaker 1: when this podcast airs, I should have thirty thirty.
Speaker 3: Eight more to go. So I'm chipping away, all right,
Speaker 3: it's not a lot.
Speaker 7: Wait, you have forty one now, and you'll have thirty
Speaker 7: eight by July ninth.
Speaker 3: I have forty eight to go now. I've done ten.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and I plan on doing at least ten
Speaker 1: more before I go back to Las Vegas July tenth.
Speaker 7: And you just did one this morning at four am.
Speaker 3: I did two this morning, actually, thank you very much,
Speaker 3: and you yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was skiing down and I was like skiing pretty good,
Speaker 1: and the snow's really slushy right now, and I was like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I am freaking on fire right now, and so I
Speaker 1: try to do something I normally wouldn't do, and I
Speaker 1: took a big old spill. And I was wearing shorts
Speaker 1: because it's springtime and the snow gets like really like
Speaker 1: like a corny as they call it, and just like
Speaker 1: thrashes your skin. So it like wasn't a bad fall
Speaker 1: at all, but my leg dragged on the on the
Speaker 1: corn snow and it just kind of thrashed my leg
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you wore shorts well, ski well,
Speaker 1: because I was like hiking in shorts because I overheat
Speaker 1: really easily and then I'm not going to like bring
Speaker 1: pants to ski down in. And it's like not it
Speaker 1: was like fifty degrees. It wasn't cold, But I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for worrying about me. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. It was more of like a hey,
Speaker 1: check it, like, you know, I fell and I wasn't
Speaker 1: hurt at all.
Speaker 3: And I looked at my leg. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm bleeding. That's awesome. I love bleeding. Like if you
Speaker 3: can get hurt and not.
Speaker 1: Feel hurt, but like looks like it hurts a little bit,
Speaker 1: there's nothing better in the world than that.
Speaker 7: In my opinion, what I love blea interesting.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, don't take me out of context.
Speaker 1: I'm saying when something looks like it hurts to other people,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't hurt to you, like you don't feel
Speaker 1: the pain because it's whatever, like a surface wound or something.
Speaker 1: But other people are like, oh my gosh, are you okay?
Speaker 1: And you're like totally fine. You're like, yeah, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean, I ain't know wors Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is not as cool because I'm about to
Speaker 4: reference poet softball. But whenever I play softball and I
Speaker 4: like slide and I get like a little elbow scratch
Speaker 4: or the exact same thing, and they're like, oh uk,
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. I'm like, oh, yeah, obviously
Speaker 4: I have the highest pain tolerance of anyone here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like whatever, I'll do anything for the team.
Speaker 3: And they're like, whoa that Jared guy. I need to
Speaker 3: have on my team every year. Dude.
Speaker 4: It's funny anytime I get into an argument, which doesn't
Speaker 4: happen often, but sometimes like I get a little angry
Speaker 4: and then I'll just yell something, and I'm like, I
Speaker 4: could definitely tell the other teams, like I think that
Speaker 4: Bachelor kid just yelled at.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, softball man, no holding back?
Speaker 4: Yeah apparently.
Speaker 3: Okayln, what do you got for us?
Speaker 1: We just we just told you guys, are stories or
Speaker 1: your story?
Speaker 6: Well, I wanted to talk about Alex Earl and Sophia
Speaker 6: Colpo that I'm sure you guys have no idea what's
Speaker 6: going on between them.
Speaker 4: I know something's going on with Brexton Barrios Braxton.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So Braxton dated Sofia Colpo, Olivia Coppo's sister for two years.
Speaker 6: They broke up, and now Braxton is dating Alex Earl,
Speaker 6: who's like the biggest girl on TikTok, like the ITG
Speaker 6: girl right now. And there's like all these rumors maybe
Speaker 6: there was overlap, who knows if there was, And now
Speaker 6: Sofia Colpo's making tiktoks and she's like, let me know
Speaker 6: when the love bombing stops.
Speaker 4: What does love bombing mean.
Speaker 6: Love bombings kind of like a narcissistic it's like tied
Speaker 6: with narcissism, I guess. But love bombing is just like
Speaker 6: just lots of love and then oh, so.
Speaker 4: She's saying, let me know when the love bombing between
Speaker 4: Barrios and this new girl is over.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's just like a lot of drama, and
Speaker 6: it's like being fueled by Sophia doing tiktoks, like people
Speaker 6: already know this relationship was super public. Love Bombing is
Speaker 6: an attempt to influence a person by demonstrations of attention
Speaker 6: and affection. But yeah, I think in Sophia's case, like
Speaker 6: this has to suck so much. You're dating this guy
Speaker 6: for two years, you break up, Let's say a month later,
Speaker 6: a couple weeks later, he starts dating like the biggest girl.
Speaker 6: It sucks, but I feel like the way to win
Speaker 6: in this situation is just to like stay silent, you know.
Speaker 6: And then she came out recently and was like he
Speaker 6: cheated on me. Braxton came out I think like yesterday
Speaker 6: or two days ago. He's like, I never cheated. So
Speaker 6: it's just like there's a way to win in this situation,
Speaker 6: And I don't think Sofia is doing it right, but
Speaker 6: also like if that were me, I would feel like
Speaker 6: absolute crap.
Speaker 7: Like that sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the appeal of Braxton Barrios. He's like
Speaker 1: a fourth string wide receiver. He's good, is he good looking?
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 3: Is he still in the NFL?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure he was on the Jets last year.
Speaker 4: So the reason I know about this is because so
Speaker 4: the social media coordinator for Audrey's follows Brexton Buriers on
Speaker 4: the Audrey's account. So I was on the Audrey's account
Speaker 4: going through Instagram stories and then barrios is popped up
Speaker 4: and he was and then he started the video saying
Speaker 4: something but like I didn't want to say something, but
Speaker 4: now I'm going to say something. And I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I have no idea what he's referencing, but I have
Speaker 4: to watch this video now just to see what the
Speaker 4: hell he's about to say. And then he talked about
Speaker 4: like a relationship, and then I was like, I think
Speaker 4: he dated. Sophia Copo is dating and so then I
Speaker 4: looked it up and I was like, oh, okay, now
Speaker 4: I'm in the note because the cool thing is Sophia
Speaker 4: Coppo comes into Audrey's every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, because the couples are from Rhode Island, so
Speaker 4: she's been there a couple of times. She's very nice
Speaker 4: and uh, but this, I mean, I haven't seen her
Speaker 4: since like last fall. I think, yeah, so we've met
Speaker 4: Olivia a few times again, Rhode Island connection. She one
Speaker 4: of my really good buddies.
Speaker 2: Jimmy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember Jimmy from the Bachelor Party,
Speaker 4: the Bachelor and so his white Tory, Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 4: So his white Torri grew up with Olivia, so they're
Speaker 4: really close. And but yeah, so I do you all right?
Speaker 4: Can't let me ask you this? Do you think that
Speaker 4: brack is it? It's Braxton? Do you do you think
Speaker 4: that Braxton started dating this girl too soon? Is that
Speaker 4: the issue? Or do you think Sophia maybe should just
Speaker 4: stay more quiet, like you referencing earlier.
Speaker 6: I think, like it's it's so hard because you don't
Speaker 6: know what has gone on behind close to her, So
Speaker 6: you don't know if this was like conversations happening for
Speaker 6: months of like about to break up.
Speaker 7: You don't know when they broke up.
Speaker 6: We don't even know if like cheating was involved, but
Speaker 6: I think regardless, like the best thing to do in
Speaker 6: this situation. Alex girl has like six million followers, Everyone
Speaker 6: follows her, everyone watches her videos. Like, you're not really
Speaker 6: going to win in this situation, which sucks, but like
Speaker 6: the best thing to do is just stay silent and
Speaker 6: be the bigger person, and I was. Hannah Burner posted
Speaker 6: a video on her Instagram about this, so I listened
Speaker 6: to their podcast, and Paige on their podcast.
Speaker 7: Was saying, we've you know, we've both been that girl.
Speaker 6: We've been the girl that got dumped and then he
Speaker 6: jumps into a relationship right after or webent the girl
Speaker 6: that like jumps into the relationship with a guy who
Speaker 6: just ended things.
Speaker 7: So it's like we can't really hate either person here.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy when you're on one side to hate
Speaker 1: the other side, but like you said, sometimes on either side,
Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't necessarily exclude.
Speaker 7: You, and it sucks.
Speaker 6: I would just like advise Sophia, like stay off of
Speaker 6: social media. You're gonna see things you don't want to see.
Speaker 6: It sucks, Like this is such a bad situation to
Speaker 6: be in because Alex is so popular right now, but
Speaker 6: you know, good riddance to him if he sucked.
Speaker 4: And it's tough because I was related this back to
Speaker 4: our bachelor experience, where I'm sure there's a lot of
Speaker 4: exits out there who does not want to watch anything
Speaker 4: that we're involved in in terms of your relationship, my
Speaker 4: relationship with Ashley. So it's it's kind of like, I'm sorry, Sophia.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just like if he's that's the person
Speaker 4: he's dating, and that's what she does for a job,
Speaker 4: Like that's kind of this the way life goes. And
Speaker 4: of course, like if he cheated, yeah, but so Sophia
Speaker 4: came out and said that he cheated.
Speaker 6: I was watching videos on TikTok yesterday and yes, she
Speaker 6: she came on and was like, he was at a
Speaker 6: bar or something and there a photo came out with
Speaker 6: him with another girl. And then her sister called her
Speaker 6: the next day that he was with some of so
Speaker 6: I guess that's where it started. But then Braxton, I
Speaker 6: also heard, said that didn't happen. So if you cheated,
Speaker 6: that's that sucks and that's awful and just another reason
Speaker 6: to like, you know, be happy that it ended when it.
Speaker 1: Did, right, good point good point out with the old,
Speaker 1: drop the dead weight, get the hell out of here, Braxton.
Speaker 4: I read the anchor.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I woke up for you today, so I'm
Speaker 1: a little sleepy. But that's interesting. It's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: to see out on folds. And what stinks a little
Speaker 1: bit about recording these episodes so early.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I love seeing you guys as
Speaker 1: often as I can. By July ninth, when this airs,
Speaker 1: there could be incredible developments in the story that we
Speaker 1: are gonna, like, sound like we have no idea what
Speaker 1: we're talking about.
Speaker 7: That's true.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to recap it. And then what we're
Speaker 4: gonna have to do, because they're all East Coasters, is
Speaker 4: we're going to have to have a live reunion of
Speaker 4: film that Audrey's between Sophia, Alex and Braxton all sitting
Speaker 4: down together. We'll get Andy Cohen to come in host
Speaker 4: it all the fireplace on, We'll all I'll have this
Speaker 4: person ortiniz and really just get to the bottom of
Speaker 4: all this drama.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a big win for you, but
Speaker 3: not so much a big win for the podcast.
Speaker 4: It's a loss for everybody else, but a big win
Speaker 4: for Rogers.
Speaker 7: Also, like Alex Earl's huge thing.
Speaker 6: Like the reason people love her so much is like, yes,
Speaker 6: she's relatable and she like shows her lifestyle in a
Speaker 6: very authentic way. But also she's like known to be
Speaker 6: such a girl's girl, so it's gotta suck for her
Speaker 6: when like her brand is.
Speaker 7: Being this girl's girl.
Speaker 6: And now you know, Sophia's not really coming after her,
Speaker 6: she's more coming after Braxton, but it's still it sucks.
Speaker 4: It sucks because now she's being accused of being the
Speaker 4: other girl, which is like the complete opposite of what
Speaker 4: a girl's girl's supposed to do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think Alex was the one that he
Speaker 6: cheated with. If he cheated, I don't know. There's a
Speaker 6: lot of like weird things going on in this story,
Speaker 6: but it's interesting.
Speaker 7: It's all over TikTok.
Speaker 1: Interesting, vander Pumps over. So you got to find your
Speaker 1: next obsession.
Speaker 6: I know, seriously, I'm like, what else am I supposed
Speaker 6: to like be invested in drama wise?
Speaker 3: You know i'd be expected to respond that way. I
Speaker 3: thought you were gonna tell me to kick her out.
Speaker 6: Well, vander Pump consumed my life for so long, and
Speaker 6: now it's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any update on that, like in terms of if
Speaker 1: they're doing a next season or something.
Speaker 6: They'll definitely do a next season, it's just who is
Speaker 6: going to do it. And also I just wanted to
Speaker 6: say I know vander Pump's been over, but I didn't
Speaker 6: have a chance to bring this up post reunion. I
Speaker 6: listened to a lot of podcasts and I gave Tom
Speaker 6: Schwartz a hard time. And I don't think he's a
Speaker 6: bad guy. I take everything I said back. I think
Speaker 6: he did a lot of bad things. I don't think
Speaker 6: he cheated his wife well, but I think he's a
Speaker 6: good guy going through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, so can we can we just I know we
Speaker 1: want to we want to wrap this podcast, but I
Speaker 1: just got excited for a second. Jared, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: don't remember this. Listeners, maybe you remember this. When we
Speaker 1: were talking about this, we were talking about Caitlin and
Speaker 1: I being at a party together and I was like
Speaker 1: drunk and trying to like stir the pot. But I
Speaker 1: was talking about how I liked Schwartz and how I
Speaker 1: thought that's one thing.
Speaker 7: You said, but you said something worse.
Speaker 4: So that's yeah, we're referencing this this conversation that you
Speaker 4: guys didn't even want to bring up at the time
Speaker 4: and said you said that Dean like so bad we
Speaker 4: couldn't talk about it on the podcast.
Speaker 1: And it was me saying, I think Tom Schwartz is
Speaker 1: like a hot, decent guy, and Kylen.
Speaker 3: Was like, no, you can't know.
Speaker 7: It was I can say it now.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's fine. Maybe now, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, do you think it's that bad? Well, we really
Speaker 4: can't say this thing for the listeners out there. I
Speaker 4: have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Was it me saying how the girl came across in
Speaker 1: such a negative light?
Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of you just he just thought that are
Speaker 6: on It kind of sucked too, is what he said.
Speaker 3: And at the time, big suck.
Speaker 6: And at the time everyone was like really rallying behind Areana,
Speaker 6: as they should, and people still are, but people's eyes
Speaker 6: have been open to like post reunion, they were so
Speaker 6: brutal to Raquel, and yes, Raquel deserves scrutiny and deserves
Speaker 6: to like own up to what she did, but just
Speaker 6: to like call her the C word and just like
Speaker 6: say the horrific things that they said to her. I
Speaker 6: feel like, now you can say like what you were thinking.
Speaker 6: I guess I don't know. I just know the Bravo
Speaker 6: people are are very passionate and very mean, so I'm
Speaker 6: trying to tread lightly.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think Raquel, like you said, deserving of all of
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism. But she composed yourself really well
Speaker 1: in the reunion. Arianna composed yourself really poorly in the reunion,
Speaker 1: and like you.
Speaker 3: Said, similar to this Sophia Colpo Alex Earle.
Speaker 1: Thing like, yeah, it's different, I guess because of the situation.
Speaker 1: But the way that Arianna was coming after Raquel really
Speaker 1: just it just kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 3: She was just being being really mean.
Speaker 6: To say, I wish the worst thing that could ever
Speaker 6: happen to a human happened to you.
Speaker 3: Is just crazy.
Speaker 7: Too much, That's that's too much.
Speaker 3: It's too much.
Speaker 1: And you know, she's again she knows she's getting gassed
Speaker 1: up by everyone, so she's like bringing going further and
Speaker 1: further and further with it. So I don't think she's
Speaker 1: you know, she's kind of getting lost in the in
Speaker 1: the sauce a little bit with all that. But I
Speaker 1: just I couldn't stand her, And you know, I know
Speaker 1: she's the victim in the situation, and I know this
Speaker 1: is kind of old news at this point, so why
Speaker 1: are we still talking about it? But I know she
Speaker 1: was the victim in the situation, so of course you
Speaker 1: have to extend a lot of empathy to her for that.
Speaker 1: But I like I because all I can ever do
Speaker 1: in that situation is like, try to put myself in
Speaker 1: that situation, Like if you did something like that and
Speaker 1: I was an Ariana's shoes, I couldn't in a million
Speaker 1: years imagine saying half of the stuff that she said,
Speaker 1: Like I just and so because I can't relate to
Speaker 1: it saying what she said, then I just don't connect
Speaker 1: with that at all, and I just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: lose respect for that, I guess. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: that's where I'm coming from, I guess, with that situation.
Speaker 7: So and now this all started.
Speaker 6: Tom Schwartz is a good guy, we think, and someone
Speaker 6: I think you'd be friends with.
Speaker 7: That's how we started.
Speaker 3: You keep saying that. I don't know if that's true
Speaker 3: or not. I'm a pretty tough guy to get along with.
Speaker 1: But but Jared, I like you a lot, Kaylen, I
Speaker 1: love you a lot.
Speaker 3: Rob Thomas. I freaking love you a lot too.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode
Speaker 1: of Help We Suck At Being Newlyweds? Is there anything
Speaker 1: else we want to touch on before we say goodbye?
Speaker 4: I'll do it.
Speaker 3: Oh. I hope you guys had a great fourth of July.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Happy blated forth, everyone.
Speaker 3: Happy belated forth. I can't wait to see.
Speaker 1: Oh it's like we're it's like we're it's like we're
Speaker 1: time travelers. If you think about it, we're kind of
Speaker 1: traveling through time space, time continuum. It's it's pre July fourth,
Speaker 1: but now it's actually post July fourth, Like what's going on?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll enter a multiverse and meet variants of ourselves.
Speaker 1: Oh man, so what a time to be alive. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I love you guys. I'm going to say goodbye right now.
Speaker 3: Goodbye. Hopefully we suck a little bit less. Thanks for listening.
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