WEBVTT - Give Me Your Heart, Make it Real with Rob Thomas 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.800 Jared, are you nervous? Now you've met Rob before, right 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:04.840 or something like that? 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:06.880 Hey man, how you doing? 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:07.160 Brother? 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:08.080 How are you? 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:10.520 I'm good. This is Dean and Kaylen. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:12.880 Hey Rob, nice to meet you. A big fan. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.400 I apologize. I'm just pulling it together. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.480 I am normally a person that wakes up at like, 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.400 you know, eight thirty or nine o'clock in the morning. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.200 But last night we played in Birmingham and I had 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.280 a friend on my bus, like an old friend that 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.680 I haven't seen in a very long time, and things 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:31.280 got silly. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.840 Oh no, you're burning the midnight oil. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.159 Yeah, So I apologize, but it's good to see you. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.159 Do you not apologize? All right? So we're going to 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.520 bring it into the podcast right now. Help We Suck 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:43.479 at Being Newlywed? 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:48.160 Dean Angler, Caylen Lurkey, Ma, and Jared Haven An iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.360 All right, welcome back to help We Suck At Being Newlyweds? Dean, Caylen, 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.520 myself here, and we have a very special guest. I mean, 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.400 this man just really needs no introduction. If you know 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.960 anything about me, you know I've been a big fan 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.280 of this musician and his band and his solo career. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.760 For a very long time. The man, the myth legend 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:11.640 who's currently on tour, So thank you so much for 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.080 taking the time to be on here, Rob Thomas, Rob, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.040 how you doing, buddy? 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.080 Thank you man, dude. First of all, it's very good 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.640 to see you. You know, I love you very much. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.920 I want to ask a question though, and I apologize 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.240 for my ignorance. You, Jared, do not suck at being 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.400 a newlywed. You are killing it. You're crushing this, are you? 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:29.319 Do you? Guys? Also? 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.320 Is that the thing that you guys think you suck 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.440 at being newlyweds? And are you newlyweds? 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.160 I want to, I want to. I want to upend 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.560 this whole thing right now. I want to. I want 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.920 to up in the sham of a podcast right now? 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:41.920 Who's interviewing who? Here? 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.080 We're not married yet, but we know the second we 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.080 get married, we're going to be really sucky at it. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.440 So we're just kind of getting ahead of the ball 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:47.840 out here. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.160 Are you guys married? 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.280 Yeah, we're getting married in September. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.760 Wow. The fact that you're not in the same room 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:54.440 is not great. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:56.400 It's not it's not a good sign. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.600 Yeah, we were, we were yesterday. I'm climbing all the 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.680 mountains in Colorado. I just got full one. I'm in 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.920 the back of my truck. So that's kind of why, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.560 you know, you were apologizing for it. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.080 That is very cool, I think right off the bat, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.720 I think it's very cool that Kaylan is cool with 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.000 the fact that they, you know, letting you do your 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.400 thing and what you need to do. That's important. That's 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.200 a very cool thing. So I guess we all the problems. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:19.040 I'll see you guys there by. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:20.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.120 Well we've established, We've established Jared Nashley doesn't suck at 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:25.960 being newly what's Kaylin doesn't suck? So I guess I 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.160 really am just shouldering the load of sucking for this 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:28.960 entire podcast. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.080 Basically, listen, I hate to tell you this, but the 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.079 one thing that gets great about in relationship is you 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.000 have to establish that one of you sucks, and it's 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:35.960 going to be like, it's me. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.359 I know, it's me, So that's fine. You know, it's 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.480 not my wife. My wife is awesome. It's me. I'm 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:41.600 the problem. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:42.240 Yeah. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.440 Well, if Rob Thomas is saying that Perp Thomas is 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.160 saying that, man, none of us have a chance, I 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.200 feel like that's. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:50.760 My tell Astley all the time. I'm just a building 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:55.239 with construction around it. Really, I'm a working I'm that 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.120 road that we always drive past that is always getting 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:59.920 work done and just never finished. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:00.600 Yeah. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.600 My wife, My wife is kind of not loving hearing 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.720 I'm a work in progress anymore because she's like, I've 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:07.839 been with you for twenty five years? 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:08.440 How long is that? 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.960 How long is that construction happening? And I was like, Oh, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.000 I forgot to tell you. It's forever. It's gonna happen 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:15.240 for that. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:16.760 It's not gonna stop. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:17.600 Well that's good. I think that. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.679 I think not necessarily a bad thing. Wait, can you 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.480 guys share how you guys know each other? Because you 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.440 guys have met each other before this podcast? 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:23.840 Of course. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:31.560 Yeah, so Rob was Rob got dragged into Bachelor Nation somehow. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.480 So I remember it was, Oh, it was our my 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.160 second season of Paradise and there's a show called After Paradise. Dean. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.160 I don't know if you ever got to do After 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.960 Paradise or if I got canceled when your season aired, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.640 but it was like a recap show. So we flew 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.280 out to La and the producer came in and gave 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.440 me a run of show and they're like, hey, listen, 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.200 we put together this like fifteen second montage and we're 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.560 going to make a joke out of it of how 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.200 you're leaving Paradise single but you actually found love and 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.800 it's it's gonna be you just like talking about Rob Thomas, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.320 and I said, what the did she just said to me? 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:06.880 And she goes, yeah, it's gonna be like it's gonna 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.160 be super fun and catchy. It's gonna be great. And 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.320 I'm like like, guys, please don't do this to me, 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.440 cause it's just and then it aired and it was 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.080 like me saying Rob's name over and over and over again, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.800 and I'm like, okay, whatever. And then two days later, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.200 I'll never forget this moment. I was in a hotel 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.919 room and I looked and I got tagged on an 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.359 Access Hollywood article and it said Rob Thomas responds to 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.800 his Bachelor in Paradise obsessed van Jared, and I'm like, 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:30.279 you got it. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.760 That's when I put out the restraining order. I was like. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.919 This guy. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.280 But then Rob's such a good sport about it, to 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.200 the point, dude, where when Ashley and I got engaged. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.320 You sent a video congratulating us. Chris Harrison pulls me 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.320 to the side. It was like, hey, we have this 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.400 video for you, and then he played it and so 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.400 you robbed congratulating Ashley, and I'm like, what the hell 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:57.120 is going on? 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:03.159 Funny man, You guys may made me rethink what I 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.719 thought my idea of this whole Bachelor thing was in 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:11.280 the sense that you know, you and Ashley are a 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.800 thousand percent this real, very real couple that I you know, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.120 and when I saw you guys, and I see you 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:17.880 guys together and I saw like, I was just like, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.359 that's all I knew was you guys. I knew you 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.520 because of this show. You guys were this very real connection. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:25.800 Like it was. It was you know what I mean, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.919 like it was, it was. It was sweet. And she's 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.120 obviously just awesome, you know. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.760 No no construction around her. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.479 Yeah, yeah, no, No, she's not like us, She's not 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:36.000 one of us. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.800 It just retrained my whole brain to think about, oh, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.280 you know, everybody's going through their own thing and they 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.320 find it, they find it in their own way. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.520 Rob, did you ever did you ever hear about the 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.240 like heard about it, Sure, But did you ever like 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.560 watch it or anything like that, or was this like 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:51.480 your first experience. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:53.880 I don't mean to sound weird when I say it, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.240 but I don't like to have any reality TV in 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:58.000 my thing. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:05:58.920 Now. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.880 That's not to say I don't watch trash TV. I 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.480 watch a lot of trash. I mean I watched a 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.599 lot of really horrible you know what I mean, Like 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.039 I watched too much TV to begin with. I just 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.320 never got into the anything reality Like the closest thing 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.880 was I for a minute, I got into like during 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.440 the pandemic. I got a little too into Love It 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.280 or Listed. That's a great show, you know what I mean. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.200 And I'm just I'm a little bit. I'm talking. I'm alone, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.279 and I'm talking to the TV, and I'm going like, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.159 are you gonna buy are you gonna sell it? 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.440 Buy it? By it? Oh you are. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:36.880 Like, yeah, we're big h G t V people, We're big. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.799 Uh not love It, love It or Listed? But also, 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.799 oh my god, what the hell am my House Hunters? 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.200 Who's in the new power Couple? From uh? From h 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:46.880 G t V? 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.520 Like the uh oh oh Magnolia Network. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:57.640 Yes, oh my god, yes, yeah, I want I want 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.200 ship to fix my house and I want Joanna to 0:06:59.240 --> 0:06:59.560 fix me. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:03.880 I know they're not knowing it. I like walk into 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.240 Target and they're just pictures are everywhere. So Rob, this 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.120 is like I do want to obviously talk about the 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:10.480 brand new album, Where the Light Goes. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.520 I want to talk about your jawline. How do you 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:13.120 keep that going? 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.520 Man? Look at you, dude, he's got he's got the filling. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.640 She chisels it every night. It's it's extensive work, but 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.760 it's well worth it and we'll get working on Dawson 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.400 in no time. But dude, So yeah, obviously the new 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.520 album Where the Legos that you're on tour right now 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.840 for with the hit single wild Dogs running in a 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.920 Slow Dream. So like, I gotta ask you because tour, 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.440 I don't know how I mean, I don't know. It's 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.560 obviously incredible. You get this incredible job, you get to 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.280 go on tour and sing all these songs that you've 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.840 written and like have met so much to people. But 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.520 how do you survive a tour? Because it is a grind. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.000 It you know it is. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.560 But to be fair, I think you know there's an 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.920 entire like we have fifty two, we have we have 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.720 nine buses, seven semis, and fifty two people that travel, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.960 not including all the local crew every time you get 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:11.320 to somewhere, So it's a mountain of people that are 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.400 there just to make sure that every night, these two 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.920 hours get off the ground and work right. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.560 So all I have to do is be capable. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.640 All I have to do is show up and sing 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.920 for those two hours and like whatever, meet and greets. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.280 Right, It's not. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.680 It's not that big of a deal when you think 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.120 about the fact that I've I'm like a baby. Everybody 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.400 just takes care of me. I'm like the quarterback. Everybody 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.199 just makes sure that I don't go down, like you 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.120 know what I mean, and I'm protected, and it's something 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.960 that I've done for the last thirty years, so just 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:46.840 like you know, you guys know like it it's a 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.080 muscle that I've worked for so long that it's just, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.520 you know. The only thing was during the last during 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:57.120 the pandemic, there was that three year period where right 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.480 before we finally pulled the trigger and went out, I 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.040 almost felt like I was just a fifty one year 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.000 old guy that lived in Westchester, right, Like I just 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.880 had my card again and I was going to good time. Yeah, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.600 And I was just like, for a second, the reality 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.720 between like who I was and who I am, Like 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.040 last night, when I'm on stage, I couldn't I didn't 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.720 think it was gonna happen again, Like they didn't make 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.040 sense to me because you do put up. I think 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.200 you guys understand this, like that when you work, you 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.439 put on a persona to some degree, even even if 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.480 your persona is yourself, it's a it's an ultra hyper 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.840 version of yourself. Right, It's like me an ultracolor. So 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.439 like when I get on stage, I'm just I'm a 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.360 little bit taller than I actually am in real life. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:40.960 I'm a little bit cooler than I actually am in 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.319 real life. But you know what I mean, And and 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.040 you buy into it for those two hours. And then 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.760 so I missed that for a minute, and I thought 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.120 that that wasn't going to happen. So I did realize 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.320 that it was. It was a little more than just 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.839 walking on stage. You know, it's a there's a there's 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.160 a thing that kind of has to happen. I think 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.440 for anybody that does anything in public, you have to 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:03.240 feel a little bit. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.280 You have to find something about yourself that you. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.520 Feel good about that you don't feel good about all 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.760 the time to be able to go out in public 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.080 and feel comfortable with that. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.599 And you guys live in public, so you understand what 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:15.280 I'm talking about. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.040 Yeah, I suppose I've got a question for you. So 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:20.840 all we have to do is go out and be ourselves. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.360 I was going to ask you, you're basically being yourself too, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.080 right You're singing the songs that you you know, put 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.800 together and are performing now for a bunch of people 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.960 in the meet and greets. All you're doing is being yourself, 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.920 and so it must be you know, it's a grind, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.480 but all you're doing is being yourself right now. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.160 I think I'm more myself when I'm writing a song, 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.920 but performing a song in front of fifteen thousand people 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.840 is a different version of myself, And it's not the 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.240 person that I am like right now, you know, Like 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.120 the person that i'm right now doesn't think that I'm 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.040 cool enough to stand in front of fifteen thousand people. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:53.640 Like. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.360 There's a weird thing I think about about writing music 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.800 and and performing especially is that you have to like 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.199 have no narcissism when you write a song, but then 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.240 when you perform a song, you and and put out 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:08.680 a record and do those things. You have to have 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.400 at least a little bit because you have to think 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.400 that what you just did is so important that other 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.920 people need to hear it, right, Like, that's that's crazy 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.120 to think that I just did something and now I 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.120 want to push it on people want people to have 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:22.600 to hear this because I think it's you know. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.800 What I mean Like, So there's a little bit you 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:25.679 have to have a little bit of. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.800 Narcissism, and but then you have to take it away 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.240 like when you know, when people don't like it, you 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.559 know what I mean? I mean like, because if you're 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.920 if you're do well enough to be somebody's favorite band, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.000 then you're also doing well enough to be somebody's least 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:37.600 favorite band. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.400 And that's something you have to deal with and learn 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.479 to kind of like you know ingest. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.520 Has there a been a song that you wrote that 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.000 either took off and you were like, Wow, I did 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.160 not expect people to connect with this as much as 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.720 I thought. And then conversely, was there ever a song 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.920 that you wrote and you're like, this thing is gonna 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.079 crush and people just didn't connect with it as well? 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.280 Well, Okay, the second what happens more? 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.800 Oh yeah, Okay, this guy who's like Grammy Award winning 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.920 one of the Greatest singers songs of all time. Oh, 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.320 nobody likes my songs, dude. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:19.079 I mean thirty thirty years, you know, five solo records, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.280 six masss Like, there's a lot of turns in there, man. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:22.920 I mean you can't. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.079 You can't just you know, because you write, because you 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.400 write in the moment, things that you think are okay. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.360 Like we have songs that we still joke about to 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.160 this day, like Massbox and we have like a song 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.680 called like Sugar. I'm like, how did I write that song? 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.560 It's it's it's a horrible, horrible song. We'll never we'll 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.400 never play it live, We'll never talk about it. Like 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.199 it's just it's like we had. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.800 An ugly child that we just don't talk about. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.360 It's really not a bad song, but go on, I mean. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.680 I think you know one of the okay, So, like 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.360 one of the things I remember when we put out 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.640 our third record, More Than You Think You Are Disease 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.920 was the first single, and we lived in this in 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.040 the world, which is so different than today, but. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.960 We were in the studio finishing the record. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.000 Listening to the song on the radio, like we had 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.719 put it out to radio, and like we kind of 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.040 put ourselves to task. So like we put it out 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.480 radio started playing it because we were still have this 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.079 momentum back then when it wasn't this calendar of information 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:24.720 that's happening now. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.680 It was like a siphon like you you know, like 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:27.960 you would you could take. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.800 A song, bring it to a radio station and they 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.640 could be the first radio station to play it, you 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.439 know what I mean, Like it was in that kind 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:33.920 of a time. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.680 It didn't do is what we thought it was. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:43.520 Going to do, but you take that plus longevity, and 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.720 then like twenty something years later we played disease and 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.720 it comes off like a hit, right just because we 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.440 have a group of initiated fans that have been with 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.040 us and playing along with the home game for a 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.120 long time. And so like every time now they come 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:57.800 and they and we all remember it like all that 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.559 was a giant hit. But in truth, at the time 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.960 the label is just like ooh, you know, biting their nails, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.199 like this is a problem. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.120 Like I think it so crazy. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.000 It's not going to be said about longevity, Like if 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.119 you stick around, if you just keep nailing it long enough. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.959 Right, That has its own kind of reward, I think. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.920 So I also were dating podcasts obviously, so we have 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.360 to talk about relationships. I thought we're gonna have our 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.560 relationships here well, of course, but you know me, I 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:25.040 have to talk about music for a little while. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.720 Let's talk about Dean. Let's all about Dean. Dean, what's up? 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:33.400 Yeah, well, now these two are getting married very soon September. There, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.800 that's the whole newly woed spin on this thing. So 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.160 Dean is currently his thing is that he wants to climb. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.320 He's from Denver and he wants to climb fifty mountains 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.560 before the wedding. Dude, I forgot. I'm sorry. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.600 Go you just said from Denver, from Basalt, there's fifty 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.240 eight mountains over fourteen thousand feet and I want to 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:53.960 climb all of them before my wedding, and like a 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.480 real rid of passage first. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:56.760 So I think it's awesome. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:03.200 Like and Caitlyn, I think when you when you marry someone, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.600 you marry all of them, right, Yeah, Like my wife 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.360 married my wife married me, but she also married the road. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.040 You know, she married that I was, she married my 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.880 absence to some degree. You know. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.040 She mean like when when she knew that there was 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:22.600 certain things that like I give everything when I'm here, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.320 but then if I'm not here, everything goes to her. Right, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.440 he had like we had that that rule that the 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.200 second that we got that we met. My thing was 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.600 this is this is my baggage, and I give this 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.840 to my baggage, and then I promise you everything else 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.440 is you. I give everything else to you, but I 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.000 but this is what this came with me. Right, So, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.800 like I appreciate that, and I appreciate you, Calen, like 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.640 like that you appreciate that, you know, because if you 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.320 took that part away from him, he wouldn't be the 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.360 guy that you want to marry, right. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.520 True, how do you feel about that? Calen? Let's hear 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:58.600 let's hear your thoughts on that. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.000 No, I mean, I mean, I'm thinking about Rob's wife. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.080 She probably has to be pretty independent because I feel 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.880 like we spend a lot of time together but also 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.200 a lot of time apart, and I think it's healthy 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.080 for our relationship. I don't know if it's I mean, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.560 you guys have been married for twenty years, so it 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.520 sounds like you've got a healthy thing going. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.840 Everybody, hold on, I know froze but I can still 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:20.840 hear him. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.080 Yeah, we can still your buddy. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:22.720 Hello, guys. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.840 I'm sorry you guys froze up on me and I 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.680 I really if you don't mind, Kalen, could you could 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.400 you repeat that for me, just because I wonder hear 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:31.760 what you had to say about it because I missed it. 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.760 Yeah, I was just saying, your wife probably has to 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.840 be pretty independent to live this life, because I feel 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.600 like we have something a little similar where we do 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.560 spend a lot of time apart, but also a lot 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.840 of time together and it's a healthy thing, like, at 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.640 least for us, I feel like you can find a 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:47.440 good balance in it. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.360 Yeah, I don't think, you know, I think it's one 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.040 of those cliches. But it's not about quantity, right, It's 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.320 about the quality of the time. Like when my wife 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.920 and I are together, we're together. I mean, we like 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.120 to be fair. We also, you know, we I think 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.240 one time in twenty five years we've spent more than 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.800 two weeks apart. Otherwise, we have a two week rule, 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.679