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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go over the latest updates with the Idaho murders

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Speaker 1: and Brian Coberger. More documents and bodycam footage have been released,

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Speaker 1: which has really amped up the internet and conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 1: We have a really disturbing story of a woman who

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Speaker 1: allegedly found a fingertip in her food.

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Speaker 3: A story has.

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Speaker 1: Come out about parents who have been arrested after their

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Speaker 1: eleven year old child gave birth to a full term

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Speaker 1: baby at home. Then we'll talk about a toxic item

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Speaker 1: that could be in your bedroom and a funeral home

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Speaker 1: storing decomposing bodies. All that moral Todday's episode, Let's get

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Speaker 1: the latest with Brian Coberger.

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Speaker 2: So Coburger is asking to switch cellbox after claiming he's

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Speaker 2: being sexually harassed by other inmates, and he's filed a

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Speaker 2: complaint and he's just complaining about everything. I just don't

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Speaker 2: understand what he expects. He's in jail.

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Speaker 1: His complaint looks like it's serial killer writing. By the way,

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Speaker 1: just like I can't believe an adult male who's educated

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Speaker 1: writes like that it's really weird to me, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: his complaints are they're hilarious. Actually, like to sit back

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Speaker 1: and just read them. The family must be getting some

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Speaker 1: satisfaction out of this, for sure. Just listening to him

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Speaker 1: complain about not getting all of the food that he

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Speaker 1: then requesting it, and then the kitchen just ignoring his requests.

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Speaker 1: I think is it's kind of funny and it's not

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Speaker 1: considered abuse or neglect of a prison or by any way.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't This guy's like completely out of

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Speaker 1: his mind. He thinks that he's at on like a

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Speaker 1: his request. It's just really it's just so bizarre the

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Speaker 1: entitlement this dude has an and like, oh, I like

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Speaker 1: he he almost talks like he's like the star prisoner

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Speaker 1: there and he should get preferential treatment or something. It's

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Speaker 1: really bizarre, like, oh, you know who I am, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you need to move me to a new block

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Speaker 1: because this one is just it's not working for me.

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Speaker 1: They're saying things through the events at me, telling saying

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Speaker 1: like he.

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Speaker 3: Did write that in complaint.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like, like, of course, because we

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Speaker 1: were saying in the last episode Prisoners, Okay, they made

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Speaker 1: a shot someone in a gang related situation, right over

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Speaker 1: a drug deal or whatever. But you cross the line

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Speaker 1: when you broke into someone's house and you stabbed for

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Speaker 1: innocent college students, right. And they watched the news too.

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Speaker 1: They all have access to everything and hear all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and they're tantalizing him on purpose. They're on purpose, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's amazing to kind of sit back and watch.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, inmates are humans and have human rights, but I

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Speaker 2: just don't care when it comes to this person. He

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Speaker 2: murdered for innocent people. I don't understand what he expects.

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Speaker 3: He's in a prison right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't care that they're chaunting him through the events

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Speaker 2: and telling him they're gonna butt fuck him. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Like those are words, by the way, from his complaint.

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Speaker 2: The Gonzalveses weren't lying when they said he was gonna

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Speaker 2: be getting Big d's in prison. Clearly he's a target.

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Speaker 2: He's so weird in and of itself, and he's part

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Speaker 2: of this sensationalized crime. All the other prisoners are hip

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Speaker 2: to him. They're probably enjoying every second of torturing him.

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Speaker 1: He has been there for a couple of weeks, Like,

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Speaker 1: how how is a person on this level going to last?

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Speaker 3: I mean, he isn't he younger than you? I think

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Speaker 2: I think he's exactly my age giver.

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Speaker 3: Take a couple of months.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so he might live like another fifty years. Really, like,

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Speaker 1: how is he going.

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Speaker 3: To deal with this?

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Speaker 2: Possibly, on that note, let's skip ahead to this story

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Speaker 2: of this professor, so because I want to jump off

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Speaker 2: of that point you just said. But in Washington State,

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Speaker 2: these two guys had become really good friends at a

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Speaker 2: he said that this professor doesn't think Brian Coberger is

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Speaker 2: going to last his natural life in prison because he

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Speaker 3: To be a whim.

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Speaker 2: He didn't ever think he was dangerous per se, but

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Speaker 2: and he was just a wimpy person. Well, it's interesting

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Speaker 2: all of the because now in hindsight, everybody that worked

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Speaker 2: and saying because everyone was interviewed obviously, so people in

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Speaker 2: the department he was working on and teaching at, and

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Speaker 2: some people had some interesting complaints about him, one of

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Speaker 2: of like, I guarantee he's going to end up being

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Speaker 2: some kind of a serial killer one day, a person

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Speaker 2: So which is interesting to me because the woman that

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Speaker 1: She didn't pick up on any of that. Interesting, right, isn't.

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Speaker 2: She not speaking about it? So do we know that

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Speaker 3: Fact or not? Well, no, we don't know that for

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Speaker 1: But I mean she didn't say nothing about it, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I guess you can't say nothing until somebody does something.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's an interesting thought to think about people

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Speaker 1: in society all the time, and like what gets triggered

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Speaker 1: You can't just accuse somebody of something like that.

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Speaker 2: Even if you do say something, what are you gonna

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Speaker 3: Do you want us to do?

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Speaker 2: They didn't hurt you, and they didn't threaten to hurt you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Eerie when you go somewhere and somebody's always there and

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Speaker 2: you know that they're following you. Also, to your point,

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Speaker 2: another female student had emailed her friend during that time

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I saw that one, because like, you

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Speaker 1: can relate to that so much because you're like, how

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Speaker 1: many times have you texted one of your friends and

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Speaker 1: and and like that that chick picked up on it

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Speaker 1: like that, right, Yeah, And it's just really it's just

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Speaker 1: really interesting. And that's what I was wondering, like, is

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Speaker 1: you know, at the Washington State University, which was within

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they did.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So do you think at any point that any

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I'm sure that a couple of people. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have evidence saying that during this time, before he

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Speaker 2: there's no way, you're crazy. It could be anybody, and

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Speaker 1: I guess what's the most interesting about this particular case

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Speaker 1: at least over one month, and during that time he

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Speaker 1: and just I imagine everyone that works in that department is

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Speaker 1: now question everything. I mean, you work with number one,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's just it must make you question everyone around you

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Speaker 2: Well, think back to our interview with Amy Laughran too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she finds out she's working with this mass

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Speaker 2: and how deeply it affected her life.

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Speaker 3: She's gonna come on soon.

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Speaker 1: I just talked to her. Yeah, I'm excited for her

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Speaker 1: to come on the show again. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: she did. She did make mention of that because she

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Speaker 1: was friends with this person, and you just don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like her situation's almost a little bit different

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Speaker 3: Was a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: Like nobody's saying that about Brian Coberger, Like everybody thinks.

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Speaker 2: That wanted to send him to No except that Chissy.

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Speaker 1: Grace is off the hook with the with the conversation

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Speaker 1: about Brian Coburger. It's so funny. She says like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna call mommy, and then she does this like

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Speaker 1: weird noise with like him crying.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, did you see she was calling the influencer

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Speaker 2: son that drowned top boy. Oh no, like top mom

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Speaker 1: I mean we talked about that case a little bit

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Speaker 1: for sure. It's just like not I guess I'm just

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Speaker 1: like not as mad on the same level as the

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Speaker 2: Kid obviously, because that's just completely unacceptable. You know, like

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Speaker 2: where they're dead. But going back to this professor, so,

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Speaker 3: Well that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, a woman is suing a New York

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Speaker 2: after spitting it out, she went to a medical clinic

442
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: brought it with her. She was really hoping they would

443
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: tell her that's not what it was, but it ended

444
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: up being the finger. She required some treatment for it,

445
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: and now she just doesn't think what happened to her

446
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: is right obviously. Yeah, And the story gets weird though,

447
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 2: because I guess she had the finger tested somewhere and

448
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: they told her that the finger was female and that's it.

449
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that they did they were able to

450
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Speaker 2: get some tissue off it to do a karyotype, which

451
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 2: is just maybe a little bit of an easier genetic

452
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Speaker 2: test to do just to say if it was male

453
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Speaker 2: or female. I'm not exactly sure what they did. That's

454
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Speaker 2: just what I'm assuming because a DNA test would would

455
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: be more expensive and require more resources and take a

456
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Speaker 2: longer time. So she knows that she has this fingertip

457
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: that's a female, and the guy that owns the restaurant

458
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Speaker 2: is just like, oh, well, I'm because I never have

459
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: women working to prep the food, which is weird. Actually,

460
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: well it's weird, but it also doesn't mean like to me,

461
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, it could have gotten there a million ways.

462
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: It could have been like let's say they had bag bloodness.

463
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: They could have been in the bag of let you

464
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it didn't in my opinion,

465
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Speaker 2: it didn't have to come exactly from the restaurant. But

466
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that I don't know.

467
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Speaker 1: So he so he's just like, well, we're I'm safe

468
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Speaker 1: because I never have a female on on the line

469
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Speaker 1: doing this. And he made a statement like she must

470
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Speaker 1: have got the finger off the street or something. I

471
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Speaker 1: don't know, it's not from here, like like a finger, Oh,

472
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Speaker 1: she just got it off the street whatever, found a

473
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Speaker 1: fingertip on the New York City sidewalk, And yeah, I

474
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Speaker 1: mean that might not be unusual, honestly, but but seriously,

475
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Speaker 1: like she where the hell she has all her fingertips?

476
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: Where is she going to get a woman's fingertip. To

477
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Speaker 1: your point, Maria, if you if you get food from

478
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Speaker 1: a distributor, which is completely possible that they do in restaurants,

479
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Speaker 1: it is possible that the fingertip couldn't come from somewhere else.

480
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Speaker 3: But it doesn't.

481
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Speaker 1: It looks it doesn't look like it's that old, because

482
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Speaker 1: if it was cut off and it was sitting out there,

483
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like any other meat and decomposed and stuff.

484
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Speaker 2: It looks like how long does it have or we

485
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Speaker 2: talk in hours or days?

486
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Speaker 1: Well, it depends because let's say, for example, someone's in

487
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Speaker 1: a plant and they're they're cutting lettuce or something and

488
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: their fingertip gets cut off or whatever, and that the

489
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Speaker 1: lettuce goes into a bag and then the bag is

490
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Speaker 1: put immediately into refrigeration and then it put and then

491
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Speaker 1: it's transported cold, and it put put into a refrigerator

492
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Speaker 1: at the restaurant. Then it would be fine for a

493
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Speaker 1: while if if it's not at room temperature. And it's

494
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Speaker 1: funny because Lucia was just showing me these videos of

495
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Speaker 1: all these accidents that happened on Hell's kitchen. She came

496
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Speaker 1: across and one of them was a couple of them

497
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Speaker 1: the chef's cut the fingertips off and the one time

498
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: they weren't able to find the fingertip in one of

499
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Speaker 1: the stories. So I thought that that was interesting because

500
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this definitely happens. But and that was my

501
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: first thought too when the guy was trying to say

502
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Speaker 1: it didn't happen at his place, I'm just kind of like,

503
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Speaker 1: I don't really know where she got this test to

504
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: say it's a female or not. But like, even so,

505
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: if she, if this is true, like she really should

506
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: put out the extra money and get DNA testing on

507
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Speaker 1: the thing and like figure this out.

508
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Speaker 2: Because well to that point, he said she was refusing

509
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: to have DNA testing though, which is why he thinks

510
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: she brought it in from somewhere else. But then just

511
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: the argument is, like where is she just getting a fingertip?

512
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Speaker 1: Well, I have a story actually that I'm going to

513
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: be posting on Instagram and the gross Room soon about

514
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: a woman who's she's a grocery member. Actually she sent

515
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: us an email and said that her dad had cut

516
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: his fingers off with a saul or something and he

517
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: went to the hospital and then and she's like, do

518
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: you want to see the picture of his fingers when

519
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: he came home from the hospital and he found them,

520
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: and it's just like this piece of wood with two

521
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: fingertips on it. It's just like that's what I think about.

522
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: But it's just like I guess technically that person could

523
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,239
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I found this in my food, and like,

524
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: where do you get a fingertip? It's just the weirdest

525
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: it's the weirdest thing. Ever, maybe she doesn't want to

526
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: get DNA testing because like, like you would have to

527
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: pay for that out of pocket.

528
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Speaker 3: I suppose.

529
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, Like I feel like you

530
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: should be able to call the police and be like,

531
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: I found a human body part in my food, so

532
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: like investigate this, Yeah, exactly. So I don't know why

533
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: that's not getting done, But I don't know.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this skull was found in the woods and

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Speaker 2: of well, I say a couple of years, but I

544
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Speaker 2: really mede a couple of decades. So eventually the case

545
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Speaker 2: was brought to a nonprofit who did DNA on the

546
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Speaker 2: skull and linked it to this family in Sweden. Originally

547
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Speaker 2: they thought that the skull belonged to a woman of

548
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Speaker 2: Asian or Native American descent, but they were way off.

549
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Speaker 2: It was of Swedish descent. They traced the skull back

550
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Speaker 2: to her family who had immigrated here in the late

551
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Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds, and found out that it was from a

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Speaker 2: woman who had died in a hospital. So if you

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555
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Speaker 2: because it's really unbelievable how they got there and what

556
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Speaker 2: they found out about how she died.

557
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Speaker 3: Yeah it is. So it's such a crazy story, but.

558
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Speaker 2: It's called Jane Doe in the Woods with a death certificate.

559
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Speaker 2: So you could head over to the Grosser Room now

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563
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Speaker 1: All Right, this next case, I feel like the abuse

564
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: stories have been just like extra the past couple of weeks.

565
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Speaker 1: This case involves girls that are my kid's age. So

566
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Speaker 1: I have a ten year old and a twelve year

567
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Speaker 1: old and this little girl is right in between at

568
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Speaker 1: eleven years old, and she was pregnant and nobody knew it.

569
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Speaker 1: The kid didn't know it, obviously because she's eleven years old,

570
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: probably had no idea what was going on with herself,

571
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: but the parents claim they didn't know, and she gives

572
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Speaker 1: birth to.

573
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Speaker 3: A term baby.

574
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Speaker 2: I think this is one of the most disturbing cases

575
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Speaker 2: we have covered in here. And of course it's like,

576
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: we find out this eleven year old child has delivered

577
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Speaker 2: a baby in her home. Of course they didn't bring

578
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: her to the hospital or anything. And that's more obvious

579
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: when it turns out that they do DNA and the

580
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: baby is her stepfather's child.

581
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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is dumb. We knew that was going to happen.

582
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: I guess.

583
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Speaker 1: I guess initially she had given birth and they had

584
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Speaker 1: to wait a couple of days to get the DNA results.

585
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, God, the poor trauma that this this girl,

586
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Speaker 1: a little girl, is going through and will go through

587
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: the rest of her life for this because now I

588
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: don't even under I don't even know how they're going

589
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Speaker 1: to handle it. So both of the parents are arrested.

590
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Speaker 1: She's going to be put into protective services because she's

591
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Speaker 1: a child, does she but she has a baby that's

592
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Speaker 1: her baby, So I don't even know if they keep

593
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Speaker 1: them together. I mean, I would hope that they would,

594
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Speaker 1: just because like, she doesn't need I mean, you could

595
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Speaker 1: argue either way, having the baby's trauma, taking the baby

596
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Speaker 1: away as trauma. She didn't choose any of this. This

597
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Speaker 1: is just not this is not fair for her.

598
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: No, and the mom's been arrested because they're saying that,

599
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: you know, she was charged with enabling the abuse. So

600
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Speaker 2: of course, when I think of this case, I think

601
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Speaker 2: of the Menenda's brothers. They're claiming that, you know, their

602
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: fathers sectually assaulted them and their mother knew about it

603
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: and didn't do anything to stop it, and that was

604
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Speaker 2: their argument of why they killed.

605
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Speaker 3: The mother as well.

606
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Speaker 2: So it really is disturbing to me when you know

607
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: sexual abuse is happening in a family in general, but

608
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: then when the other parent knows about it and it's

609
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: just like letting it go on and to the point

610
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: where this girl has now gone through something even more

611
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Speaker 2: traumatic than being sexually abused in general. Now she has

612
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Speaker 2: a child. She may or may not have the child,

613
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Speaker 2: She may not want the child. Are they going to

614
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: try to raise Were they going to just try to

615
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: play it off like it was a sibling?

616
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Speaker 3: How did they think.

617
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Speaker 1: They said they didn't know that she was pregnant? Now

618
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Speaker 1: they could, Okay, well, listen if the mother, people are

619
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Speaker 1: really checked out sometimes, right, So it's totally possible that

620
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Speaker 1: the mom didn't know this was happening and she didn't

621
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Speaker 1: know her daughter was pregnant. She's the worst mom ever,

622
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Speaker 1: by the way, Like I don't understand how you don't

623
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Speaker 1: you can't tell that something's going on with your little

624
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Speaker 1: child like that.

625
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, but.

626
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Speaker 2: Talk about the other stuff going on in the house,

627
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Speaker 2: because it's not that.

628
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Speaker 1: Exactly like she's she's checked out for sure.

629
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Speaker 2: There was five other kids in the home, two, four, six, seven,

630
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Speaker 2: and nine years old. They have now been removed, thank god.

631
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Speaker 2: But the investigators were saying they were living in deplorable

632
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Speaker 2: conditions with dog feces everywhere. None of them were wearing clothing.

633
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Speaker 2: I looked at the house that didn't look very big

634
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Speaker 2: and thinking about all those people living in that house.

635
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean there's just some level of like

636
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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on with them, if

637
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Speaker 1: there was like drugs or alcohol involved, or there was

638
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Speaker 1: just some level of mental illness, I'm not sure.

639
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Speaker 3: But the mom.

640
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Speaker 1: Is equally should be in trouble as well because the child,

641
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is abuse in itself. Like the child

642
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: wasn't even being taken to the doctor for like checkups

643
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: and and here it's like, oh, the kid was pregnant

644
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Speaker 1: the whole time and and and not getting prenatal care.

645
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Speaker 3: And just like, let's.

646
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Speaker 2: Say they did know about it, why would they bring

647
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Speaker 2: her to the doctor for checkups and why would they

648
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Speaker 2: bring her to the hospital to deliver the baby?

649
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Speaker 1: And it's quite possible that they did know and they

650
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Speaker 1: just and like think about this like so so for

651
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Speaker 1: an eleven year old, it's called an adolescent pregnancy. For

652
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Speaker 1: an eleven year old child's body to get pregnant, it's

653
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: like some kids get have precocious puberty and get their

654
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: period and eight years old, nine years old early, but

655
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: they're pelvis is still not ready to accommodate a pregnancy. Sometimes,

656
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: so lots of different things can happen during these pregnancies

657
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Speaker 1: of a super young child like this, including like not

658
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Speaker 1: going to term. There's just a higher risk of term,

659
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Speaker 1: which is very unusual. That she did go all the

660
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: way to term. There's a high risk of miscarriage, fetal death,

661
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: maternal death. I mean, like God, it's actually mind blowing

662
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: that eleven year old was able to give birth at

663
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: home and not have the feet is stuck in her

664
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: pelvis because that would have required an emergency c section,

665
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: which wasn't getting done at the house. Like it's it's

666
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: just kind of a miracle that she survived this, honestly, and.

667
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: God knows how the birth went down.

668
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean, did they even say if that baby had survived. No,

669
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: they didn't anything about that kid.

670
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: But I mean they said that she gave birth, and

671
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: they I feel like they would have mentioned if the

672
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: baby didn't survive. So I mean, it's just and listen, like,

673
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: people could give birth at home all the time and

674
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: it's fine, but like in this situation, it's just having

675
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: gone through it so many times, it's just like terrible

676
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: to think of a kid, my kid's age going through that.

677
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: It's just my kids are playing like the sims right now.

678
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: They don't even have any idea of what that would

679
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: be to their body. It's just it just pisses me

680
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: off so bad that this could even happen. So I'm

681
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: glad they're in jail. Of course, another this is another

682
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: thing that bond for one hundred thousand dollars each one

683
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, one hundred thousand dollars, So if for

684
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: some reason they can get money, they can get out

685
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: of that and they're allowed to leave. And it says

686
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: that they might be able to go to prison for

687
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: life for this, but like, if you are that high

688
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: up on the list of going to prison for life,

689
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: why would they let you out until you go to trial.

690
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: Well exactly because clearly somebody like this that gets out

691
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: is just going to repeat their actions. It's not like,

692
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: oh I just got arrested, I'm gonna stop being a

693
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: child molestor so, like, why are we.

694
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: Even allowing this?

695
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: It's just like you you I don't know, It's just

696
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: like multiple cases we've been talking about, like you've you've

697
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: done something to this child for the rest of her life,

698
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: Like you don't deserve to be out and free until

699
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: you have a jury and everything, especially when they have

700
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: the DNA results. There's it doesn't matter if this needs

701
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: to go to court and find him he's guilty, he's guilty.

702
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: It's just there's nobody needs to bait it. The kid's

703
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: a child and has DNA in her body. That made

704
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: a child. That is from a grown up. It's not

705
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: from another eleven year old kid that they were messing around.

706
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: Then it just happened by accident. It's from a grown

707
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: up that shouldn't be having sex with an eleven year

708
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: old period.

709
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: Well yeah, like all right.

710
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: Next, a woman went on TikTok to explain that she

711
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: was trying to spot clean her mattress, but when she

712
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: unzipped it, all this fiberglass was released in the air

713
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: caused her to wear ppe at home.

714
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: So I bought.

715
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: Lily in a couple of years ago a new mattress

716
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: for her bed, one of these like ones on Amazon

717
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: that are only like three or four hundred dollars, And

718
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: I always read the reviews just to see what people

719
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: say about them, and I was shocked underneath of so

720
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: many of the different reviews for mattresses like this, people

721
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: were posting about don't take the cover off. So when

722
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: you get the mattress, it has this cover that's already

723
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: on it, but it has a zipper, which maybe they

724
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: should just not even have a zipper on it because

725
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: that might indicate to people that it could come off. Yeah,

726
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: because especially being a woman or even a teen girl,

727
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: like you get your period and you get blood on

728
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: the mattress, like it happens to everyone. Right, So you think, Okay,

729
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: I want to take this off and wash it, because

730
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: it looks like it's almost made of like a like

731
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt material or something like. It looks like it

732
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: could come off and wash and then you could put

733
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: it back on. And all of these people are doing

734
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: that for that very reason, and they unzip it and

735
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you have like a hazmat situation

736
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: in your house, in your bedroom.

737
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

738
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: So this lady was saying that basically after it happened,

739
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: she had to throw all this stuff in her bedroom,

740
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: including clothing, the mattress, and she now she had to

741
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: put up tarps and other areas of her home so

742
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: it didn't spread out. And it's just a major inconvenience.

743
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Why even let it be removed

744
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: if it's going to be such a problem because I

745
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: would assume if you could take it off yourself, it

746
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: would be safe. And I didn't know that fiberglass was

747
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: in mattresses at all.

748
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shocked too, But when I was reading,

749
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: like I mean, people were saying that they had to

750
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: hire companies to come to their house, and overall the

751
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: thing has a good rating. And I bought it just

752
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: with the assumption that I wasn't going to take the

753
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: cover off, but like they didn't really emphasize that in

754
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: the packaging when I bought it.

755
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: I just so happened to read it.

756
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: And you know, the fiberglass particles, if you breathe them in,

757
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: they could scar your lungs and give you something called

758
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: pulmonary fibrosis, which is just like a chronic scarring of

759
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: the inside of your lungs from breathing in inorganic materials

760
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: like that. And these particles are so fine that they

761
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: could like this is why she's saying she had to

762
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: throw out so many things because they could land on furniture,

763
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: on betting pillows, but they also could go into the

764
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: ventilation system throughout your house and just spread around and

765
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: breathing that shit in for an extended period of time

766
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: can cause permanent lung damage.

767
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they even allow it to be in there,

768
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: considering how dangerous it could be.

769
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: Well, it's in your house, it's every I mean, they're

770
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: dangerous things everywhere, and it's totally fine if it's contained.

771
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so is asbesis at one point, and now

772
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: that's not supposed to be in houses anymore.

773
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is is that there's certain things that

774
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: are just considered to be safe as long as they're not.

775
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's against she did something that's considered to

776
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: be against the label. Although I'm just I'm just making

777
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: the mention of like, I don't know that they're that

778
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: maybe they should put like a giant sticker on it

779
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: that says they just shouldn't even put a zipper on it,

780
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: cause then if somebody had to physically cut it open,

781
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: then they might be like, maybe this shouldn't come off.

782
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: Well, of course, that's why I'm saying, like, you think

783
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: if you could remove it and throw it in the wash, like,

784
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: no big deal. You don't think you're going to release

785
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: all these like toxins in the error.

786
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: I also think that there's a possibility that it is

787
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: wrapped in something else, Like you have to get through

788
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: a couple layers to actually like release it. I don't

789
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: think just like unzipping it makes it come out. But

790
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: we you know, I don't, we don't know what I

791
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, but I definitely did read that in

792
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: the reviews that people were having an issue with that.

793
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to our last story. So,

794
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: in the last year or two, a law was passed

795
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: in Colorado to crack down on funeral homes, mortuaries, et cetera,

796
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: to make sure they were operating legal. So inspectors go

797
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: to do their first inspection at the Davis Mortuary in

798
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: Pueblow and immediately upon going in notice a strong smell

799
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: of decomp Yeah.

800
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: So, I guess this is why they put this They

801
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: put this lall in place for this very reason, because

802
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: they're going to be doing these inspections annually. Wait, wasn't

803
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: wasn't like a similar case that happened.

804
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: Well, there was that Return to Nature case where the

805
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: hundreds of bodies that was also in Colorado's exactly. So

806
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: I bet all was the direct result of that. Yeah,

807
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: I bet you one hundred percent it is so.

808
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

809
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: So then now they're like, all right, we're going to

810
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: do this annually, because obviously if they were coming every

811
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: single year to this particular place, they wouldn't have found

812
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: twenty bodies that were in various stages of decomposition, including

813
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: some that they said looked like they had been there

814
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: for fifteen years, which means that they were skeletonized, right, Like,

815
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: did you also how many funeral homes is this going

816
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: on in America? Like, I feel like we've talked in

817
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: a short time other nots that's been a podcast. We've

818
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: talked about this quite often.

819
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: Well, just in the last couple of weeks, we've had

820
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: like five stories about it between here and the gross room.

821
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: It's happening so frequently. Did you also happen to notice

822
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: that this man that owned the funeral home was a coroner,

823
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: which is an elected position by the way, so he's

824
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: a trusted person in this community, and his brother ran

825
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: it with him as well, And people were saying they

826
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: had seen both brothers in and out of there, so

827
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: they're fully both aware of the operations going on. What

828
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: are you thinking holding these bodies in the side room. Also,

829
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: they admitted to not giving family members their actual loved

830
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: ones remains.

831
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: Well, it's all it's in every case. It's it's quite

832
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: similar that it's all about money. It's just like, we

833
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: have this dead body here, the family's going to give

834
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: us eight thousand dollars to cremate them. They're never going

835
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: to know if they actually got cremated, or if we

836
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: give them a bag of cat litter and we pocket

837
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: the money, right, I mean, that's like eight thousand dollars. No,

838
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: it's so morally wrong. It's so morally wrong.

839
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: But how much does it really cost to burn the body?

840
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 3: Because like what act doing with it? Well, it costs.

841
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: It certainly cost because the crematory has a fee, and

842
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: it's probably I don't even know what the going rate

843
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: is right now. But let's say, for example, they charge

844
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: a family, a funeral home charges a family eight thousand dollars.

845
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: The crematory might charge four thousand dollars, and then the

846
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: funeral home upcharges or whatever. Like I don't really know

847
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: how it works. I don't work in that field, but

848
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: so I'm just assuming this. So the funeral home has

849
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: to put money out too, They just they up charge

850
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: to get to make money off of it. So why

851
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: like why make four thousand dollars when you can make

852
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars like and then times that by twenty bodies,

853
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have like enough money to

854
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: pay off a debt or to like get you out

855
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: of a jam. It's it's messed up. But it's like

856
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: every single case of this is kind of the same thing.

857
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: They're holding bodies and taking money from the customers for cremation.

858
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 3: Don't they just love that too?

859
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: When they went in there, the they told the investigators like, oh,

860
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: don't go in that door that was behind some cardboard

861
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: display and they were like, yeah, we're going in that door,

862
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: Like what are you even terrible in here?

863
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: And also like the smell of human decomposition is just

864
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: so foul it, I mean, how how do you even

865
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: want to be surrounded by that? And how could you

866
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: just put like a human person that had a life

867
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: in the corner and just let them.

868
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: Rot like that?

869
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: It's just so like you're such a disconnect and listen, like,

870
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: I've worked with dead people there. You have to have

871
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: a certain kind of disconnect to just be able to

872
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: do your job. But like that that's like weird to me.

873
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: Do you just think it's this like personality trait of

874
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: not I'm not saying everybody that works in the funeral business,

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Speaker 2: but of a lot of people that work in the

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Speaker 2: funeral business that they're already so detached from death that

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Speaker 2: they just don't see it as being a problem to

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Speaker 2: treat the people like shit.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a lot. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I think, like I just was saying, like everyone in

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Speaker 1: our field, whether it's funeral or pathology, whatever, you have

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Speaker 1: to have a certain level of like.

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Speaker 3: Disassociation with it because of.

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Speaker 1: Like right now, if you saw a dead body, you

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Speaker 1: would flip your shit.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, like I couldn't handle.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't handle it, Like right now, I could eat

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Speaker 1: a hamburger over a dead body, Like I don't have

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Speaker 1: any feelings like that. But at the same time, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not like that's somebody's parent or sister or brother

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Speaker 1: or something like I would never like leave just like

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Speaker 1: throw it in the corner and be like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can make eight thousand off this one. Like let me

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Speaker 1: just let this rot here and I'll just tell the

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Speaker 1: family like this is, you know, the cat litter is

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Speaker 1: their creative remains it's just like there's a level for sure.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's often though, but in these cases

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Speaker 1: for sure, Well.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely not as rare as people want to hope

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Speaker 2: that it is.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, I.

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Speaker 2: Feel bad for everybody you know that ever had a

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Speaker 2: cremation done there, because again it's just a question of

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Speaker 2: like did you even get the remains of your loved one?

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's scary too because it's now like

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Speaker 1: that's X amount of funeral homes we talked about just

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Speaker 1: this year that and it's just like there's all these

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Speaker 1: families that are getting phone calls that, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you thought that this was because you know, someone dies

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago, and it's like you still have a

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Speaker 1: memory of them, but it's over, it's done with, You're

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Speaker 1: moving on with life, and then you get a phone

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Speaker 1: call like this and it just stirs up a lot

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Speaker 1: of emotions and like you want to think that that

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Speaker 1: your mother is in an urn at your house and

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Speaker 1: hear her dead skeleton is like in a corner on

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Speaker 1: top of other dead bodies rotting and it's still present

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Speaker 1: on this earth here. Like it's upsetting, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's very it's very weird. All right, guys.

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Speaker 1: See you guys tomorrow. Thank you for listening to Mother

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Speaker 1: Knows Death. As a reminder, my training is as a

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Speaker 1: pathologists assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize

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