WEBVTT - Disappearing Planes: The 2024 Update 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.720 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:09.119 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.160 learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:13.920 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.680 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:27.639 my name is Noel. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.480 They call me Ben where joyed as always with our 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:35.160 super producer Paul, mission control decand most importantly, you are you. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.560 You are here? That makes this the stuff they don't want. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:39.879 You to know. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.519 I was thinking we begin tonight's episode and update on 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.960 disappearing planes with a lovely piece of correspondence we received 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.680 from Fatigued and Flying Weirdly enough. I don't want to 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.840 say it's in defensive Boeing, but I think it's a 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.680 good entry point for us Fatigue to fly and says, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.600 how do you all? I am Fatigued and flying here. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.080 I'm way behind, unfortunately, but catching up. I want to 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.640 make sure something's clear here. Do not conflate airline maintenance 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.120 issues with Boeing failures. The real stuff they don't want 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.080 you to know is there's been an uptick in airline 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.319 maintenance issues to the point I'm getting stories from captains 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:22.440 regarding flagrant disregard of maintenance at a certain airline. Yet 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.120 the airlines can publicly turn around and blame Boeing things 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.039 like a wheel falling off. That's a maintenance issue, not 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.479 a Boeing issue. I would not be surprised to see 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.280 an FAA investigation by the end of the year. Keep 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.840 the dirty side down. Fatigued to fly? I don't know 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.040 that expression, but I think I like it. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:42.240 I mean that makes sense. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.039 These planes go through so much wear and tear, and 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.360 they're not like guaranteed to be impenetrable. You know, you 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.840 have to change the oil on your car, and that's 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.760 not the responsibility of your car's manufacturer, is it. You know, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.840 got to get new tires, rotate your tires and all 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.840 of that. It makes sense that would be kind of 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:03.840 an easy scapegoat, you know, again, not in defensive blowing. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.120 They've definitely made some serious oopsis. But I can't see 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.080 how some of these mistakes could be kind of like 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.200 pushed off onto the manufacturer rather than you know, copping 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:13.360 to a maintenance fum. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.840 Yeah, and I think that's one of the one reason 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.840 and wrote back to fatigue to flying, and one reason 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.880 I thought that was such an important point is because 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.840 the news seems to be ignoring it a little bit, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.800 especially when headlines go viral. And right now, if you 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.880 look around the media landscape for the past few years, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:39.280 it seems like planes are constantly encountering accidents and disaster. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.800 It reminds me. I don't know if we ever talked 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.639 about this on air, but do you guys have a 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.960 scariest flight you've ever taken that you remember thinking this 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:48.680 might be the one? 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.040 Just a little you know, extra rough air? 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:53.800 Isn't it funny? I was thinking, I was thinking about 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.040 this recently. They used to call it turbulence. Now they 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.560 call it rough air, which seems like a total kind 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:03.480 of like sugarcoating of turbulence, you know, like an airplane speak, right, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.880 it's a little bit more palatable rough air versus turbulence. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:12.320 The turbulence in itself was already a term that kind 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.440 of didn't mean anything except for what it meant, and 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.959 it I know, just hey, we're going to experience a 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.519 little turbulence everyone, and really the plane is going to 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.680 be shaking, You're going to be thrown around a little bit. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:23.800 It's going to be terrifying. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:25.720 But am I wrong? 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.200 And that they've kind of ceased to use that term 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.120 and they've replaced it with rough air. I swear I 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.680 haven't heard anybody say turbulence in many years. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.440 I still hear turbulence, And it may be it may 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.600 not be a mandate, or if it is, it maybe 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.600 like an airline preference mandate, So it might depend on 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.160 the airline you go to and the nature of your pilot. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.640 The scariest flight I ever, the scariest flights I have 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.960 been on. I love flying, I'm fear of it. But 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.880 the trickiest ones have inevitably been on really small planes, 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.960 not in the US, like huddle jumpers somewhere, because then 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.760 that's when the turbulce lengths of the rough air can 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:07.040 really start ping ponging you around. But so statistically it 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.520 is safer to fly than it is to drive or 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.400 ride in a car in the United States, well even 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.240 to walk sometimes if you're like adjacent to a roadway. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.440 And just to clear it up real quick, turbulence and 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.039 rough air are kind of interchangeable. So it does seem 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.680 like it might be a company line as to which 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.240 term is used. And over the past decade or so 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.920 doing this show stuff that'll want you to know we've 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.359 been able to identify certain trends in the world of 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:39.480 conspiracy and conspiratorial thought, and today's episode examines this trend 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.160 that has only appeared to grow over the past few years, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:50.479 the idea of something something scary in the skies, particularly 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:59.760 disappearing planes. Here are the facts. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:05.600 Well, given that you know, aviation powered flight in the 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:10.680 timeline of humanity is a relatively recent development, it could 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.279 be seen as a bit surprising when one has the 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.359 realization that it's a bit tricky to figure out exactly 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:22.200 how many planes exist, whether in the air or just 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.320 in general. You know, I'm sure there are ways of 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.599 you know, of course, there are ways of tracking flights 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.719 commercial flights, but that doesn't take into account everything. And 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.960 I'm sure that's not something that without some serious digging, 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.520 you know, your average mortal would have access to. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.480 Yeah, it's tough because you can look at the you 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.720 can look at the manufacturing numbers of the big boys 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.200 in the game, like the air busses and your boeings, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.280 But so many individual planes have been built over the 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.159 past century. Like you said, many are retired or they've 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:57.760 been dismantled, destroyed, crashed, or disappeared there was. It was 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.640 a pretty good move back into one seventeen found some 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:06.680 pretty solid estimates that claimed at that time in twenty seventeen, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.840 there were an estimated thirty nine thousand planes on the planet, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.039 which honestly didn't seem like that many to me. You know, 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.800 maybe it's not counting helicopters. Are we count you know, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.120 they are we counting military craft as well, because we'll 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.080 never really know how many military craft are out there, 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:30.119 but it looks like it looks like over the course 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.679 of history, from all the publicly available information, the number 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.000 was something like one hundred and fifty thousand, which still 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.760 seems small to me. But you know, I guess most 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.560 people don't own a plane, right, And just to backcheck 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.000 on what I said ever so slightly, there are flight 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.080 tracker websites that give you a pretty relatively accurate estimate 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.080 of how many planes are currently in the air, and 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.560 typically between seven seven hundred and eighty two and eighty 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.039 seven hundred and fifty five commercial planes are in the 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.120 air at any time, and again that does not take 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.360 into account the retired ones, the ones that have been grounded, dismantled. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.799 All of that good stuff yeah, and to that point. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.480 Later in just a few minutes, we'll get to introduce 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:17.320 one of my favorite favorite stockery websites for the Friendly Skies, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.160 a very exciting way to lose a couple of hours. 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.640 Since Elon Musk and Taylor Swift don't want you to 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:28.040 know right right, just so private plane enthusiast in general, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.840 so Boeing in twenty seventeen. Same year, Boeing said, look, 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:37.640 civilization overall is going to need another almost forty thousand 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.840 planes thirty nine, six hundred and twenty over the next 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.040 two decades. So if all those estimates held correct, the 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.240 number of aircraft would be something like sixty three thousand, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.920 two hundred something in twenty thirty seven. Of course, those 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.360 estimates did not factor in a global pandemic which absolutely 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.800 walloped pretty much well the majority of industries on the planet. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.120 Air travel, there's no exception. Did you guys ever travel 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:10.400 like take a flight during COVID during those restrictions? No? No, no, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.840 not not not during the lockdown. No it was not fun. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.760 I bet it was easy to get on the plane, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.080 you know, if you had your right paperwork, but all 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.760 the little fun parts about riding on a plane were 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.440 out the window except for sitting by the window seat. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.320 That was like the last person. Wasn't there a period though, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.000 where flights were grounded like pretty much indefinitely or was 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.160 there always an ability to take a flight if you 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.280 you know, have the you know, have the bravado to 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:47.600 do so. Yeah. Yeah, So the actual stand down was 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:53.839 pretty pretty abbreviated. So I was thinking, yeah, and we 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.400 know that a lot of commercial carriers, when they couldn't 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.959 get human passengers, they started hauling cargo and hauling freight 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:05.679 just to keep the businesses going. Also, no country geopolitically 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.960 wants to lose its airline because at some point it 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.640 becomes a military capability and you don't want to rely 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.520 on another country for that. So it's you get a 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.280 little I'm not going to say it's easy to run 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.760 an airline, it is absolutely not, but you get a 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.920 little more TLC from your home government because they want 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.440 you to stay in business too. But the cool thing is, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.360 unless you're terrified of planes and you hate them, the 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.440 cool thing is there was this huge rebound in twenty 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.040 so everything goes to pot in twenty nineteen. In twenty 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:42.960 twenty two, it's predicted these predictions seem in line. It's 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:48.480 predicted that overall air travel is going to be higher 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.000 than it was this year before the pandemic. So there 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:57.920 are going to be four billion travelers in twenty twenty four, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.439 which is a pretty astonishing number. That's one hundred and 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.480 three percent of what it was in twenty nineteen. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.200 Is that just a product of people finally becoming fully comfortable. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.640 Has there still been sort of some gun shyness surrounding 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.720 flying and then getting sick potentially or what does that represent? 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.760 That's very very interesting, kind of alarmingly large number. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:24.360 Yeah, maybe people well some people probably had money that 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.040 they were going to spend on vacations that they just 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:32.560 saved for several years. So maybe now people are, for instance, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.360 going to take that honeymoon they had planned on. You know, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:40.520 there could be any number of reasons. But this is 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.400 good news, right. But along with this good news, there 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.760 are a lot of complications. I love that we're mentioning 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.640 private planes. Environmental damage became a huge you know, like 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:55.760 sticking point in online conversation. The maintenance just gets more 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.120 expensive the more planes you have and the more active 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.240 they are, and then the if is structure. I feel like, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.280 I hope we don't sound like stodgy old curmudgeons when 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.320 we're complaining about you know, water mains and crumbling bridges. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.720 But have you guys met an air traffic controller. They're 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.720 intense and they're kind of stressed out. I actually recently 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.240 saw a TikTok or something where it was some audio 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.480 recordings of pilots communicating with air traffic controllers, and they've 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.560 got some funny, snarky little end jokes, and I wish 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.400 I could remember exactly what it was, but it was 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.719 a really interesting peak behind the curtain. I bet you 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.559 could just google it, and I think you'd probably be 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.320 There wasn't anything alarming, but it was some kind of 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:43.360 gallows humor for sure, Oh I bet yeah. And I 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.400 know also that there are boat controllers right who do 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.960 the same kind of thing for watercraft, and they're just 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:58.280 as stressed out because updating the calm systems and updating 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.520 the control tower and things like that. It's one of 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.160 those expenses that people don't think about until it breaks. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.560 The skies are getting crowded if you go. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.840 To well, I see the high stakes are I mean exactly, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.120 if you mess up just a little bit. Uh, you 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.120 could kill hundreds of people. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.319 Right, and we can always re record on Wednesday. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.480 Exactly true. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.200 It's interesting though, how like it takes a lot to 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:33.120 fully erode the trust in air travel. You know, even 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:38.200 with all of these you know, seemingly disastrous occurrences that 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.040 have been happening, it seems a little bit with more 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.960 frequency lately, it doesn't seem like it's it's been a 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.199 death now for like the industry, right. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.800 Yeah, And a big part of that is because the 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.319 industry of the type of craft that are around now 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.160 and used commercially, they've been normalized, you know what I mean. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.720 It's we see, you know, like a jetliner are not 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:06.520 a thing because jetliners were not normalized when things went wrong. Right. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.720 People are giving Tesla and Cybertruck a hard time for 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.160 valid reasons, but obviously one big part of that is 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.960 that they are new, you know what I mean. Ford's 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.280 breakdown too. We've heard the acronym found on road dead. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.440 But because they've been around so long, people will just 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.839 shrug and say, mistakes happen. I mean, like you said, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:32.280 are there more disasters in the sky now that now 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.160 that we've gone from the friendly skies to the crowded 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.760 clouds or is it just that we're seeing more, we're 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:44.360 hearing more about it. Boeing had what nine separate issues 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.560 within the span of three months of varying severity from 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:52.199 like the wheels to the wind interior. Yeah, and then 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:58.880 of course deaths of former employees, whistleblower statements. People started 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.920 to wonder if there was against or sue with Boeing. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:06.319 But again, you know, you kind of preface the the 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:12.080 auto to the auto to aircraft comparison, because if you 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.320 don't take care of you know, your Honda Odyssey or whatever, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.400 it's not Honda's fault when it breaks down. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.680 Well, but but it's Honda's fault if they put the 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.280 pieces together wrong. Oh, which is what Boeing's whistleblowers are saying, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.800 which I think, I mean when we talked about in 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.080 the past, I think there's definitely a conspiracy there just 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.480 to put profits over anything else. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.440 Mm hmmm, Yeah, I would tend to agree with you. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.280 I don't think I think the maintenance though too, fatigue 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.280 and flins, I think that point has to be in 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:47.320 the conversation. Yeah, because it's definitely maintenance. It's it's not 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:52.160 just one loan Gunman of problems in regard. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.040 But I'm just imagining if you if you need to 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.600 change the oil on your car, right, it doesn't matter 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.840 if you're if the container that holds your oil is 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.240 manufactured incorrectly and has some dang holes in it, you know. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.360 Right, A lot of the engineering, a lot of it, 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.720 Like you know, one thing I've noticed more often now 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.880 with at least internal combustion cars, newer models, the way 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:20.160 they're the way they're they're like, engineering priorities are increasingly 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.400 inconvenient for the person who owns the car or the 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.920 person who works on the car, like you should. If 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:32.440 you build cars, folks, if you design them first, thank 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.320 you so much, big fan. Secondly, please make it easy 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.760 to get to the battery. Jesus, please make it like 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.400 reason noble to change the oil. This is ridiculous. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.840 I need you to remove four pieces of this vehicle 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.200 before you get access to the battery, which is. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.920 The thing that's gonna die front panel or whatever. No, 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:52.720 I do think it's worth pointing out to you and Matt. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.880 I think you're absolutely right that the Boeing is certainly 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.840 at fault, and there does seem to be a culture 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.240 of kind of cutting corners. But based on we're talking 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.560 about with COVID and the need to kind of claw 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.600 back some of those profits that were lost. I think 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:11.000 both the manufacturers and the airlines have equal kind of 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.880 reasons to potentially, you know, maybe cut a few corners 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.520 here and there to try to get that get those 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:17.360 profits back up. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.760 M Yeah, the blood price right now? How much how 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.960 much profit would you trade for human lives? But this 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.680 is also bigger than Boeing. You know, in each of 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.000 those cases we're talking about, you have to individually look 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.360 at them right to determine the chain of responsibility where 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.560 any blame might be found. And that's what authorities are 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.280 doing now. But the reality of the situation is there 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.440 are more planes in the sky. There are crowded clouds. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.200 If you want to get a sense of it, here's 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.840 the website we're teasing earlier. Go to a flight radar 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.560 twenty four dot com. It is an active, live map 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.920 of the world and it shows you where the majority 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.040 of the world's planes are right now. If you if 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.119 you click on it, it's it's nuts, especially when you 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.360 zoom out. I'm getting lost in it. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.240 Does it have X thirty seven b on there. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.280 No, because it's too too high up high. Yeah, it's 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.240 too high up. And you know, the dumbest thing I've 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.880 been doing for the past few months is I'll I'll 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.159 get onto this site and I'll just check on Antarctica. 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.000 You know, I just want to see. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.199 Because nobody can fly over the ice wall. Baby. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.000 That's right, mountains of madness, and uh, we're gonna We're 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.600 gonna pause before we ascend the peak of madness here. Uh, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:42.320 there are more opportunities now for mistakes, accidents, and disasters. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.359 And yes, some planes simply disappear. No one sure what 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.600 happened to these planes, but we do hopefully have some updates. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.640 Here's where it gets crazy, all right. It sounds bonkers 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.720 right to say we lost the plane. We know they're big, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:05.720 but we lost the plane. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.000 Well, there's so much technology on each one of those 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.960 planes that are meant to ensure that very thing never happens, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.879 even if it goes down, even if it catches on fire, explodes. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.800 With the famous black box right right, Yeah, supposedly indestructible 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:26.320 and is meant to carry the sort of the electronic 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.760 and mechanical equivalent of the last words of the plane 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.760 if something goes wrong, so you can figure out, you 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.240 can conduct forensics and see like, oh, this temperature sensor 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.359 said this, or this altimeter reported this. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.480 Well, and they have complex transponders, services, and systems on 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.760 them that would should allow for anyone to recover it. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.560 Even if it's at the bottom of the ocean, like 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:53.320 thirteen thousand feet below the sea or something, or even further. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.000 Even Point Nemo stuff, you should be able to find it. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:57.560 But yeah, it's down there somewhere. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:02.520 Yeah. Point Nemo is the remote part of the Earth, folks, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.879 if you make it out to Point in Nemo, in 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:11.199 very intimidating, intimidating, distant part of the Pacific Ocean. This 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:16.760 is true. The closest people to you are going to 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.000 be the astronauts in the International Space Station. That's how 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.080 far away that is. That's how big the Pacific Ocean is. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.480 And I think maybe that's the most important part to 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.399 remember when we ask about losing planes. There's just so 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:37.400 much area to search. And you're right, Matt, GPS, satellite networks, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.080 these great improvements in surveillance and communication would make us 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.000 think the days of Amelia Earhart are a thing of 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.680 the past. But Lessening the chance of a disappearance is 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.679 not the same thing as reducing it to zero. So 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.439 the most infamous recent disappearance that we might start with 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:01.240 today would be that of Malaysia Airlines Flight three seventy 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:06.119 or MH three seventy, which on March eighth of twenty fourteen, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.200 was heading from Kuala Lumpur, which is the capital of Malaysia, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:16.560 to Beijing when it took an unscheduled I guess deviation 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.960 from its from its flight flight plan fight flight path. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.719 It turned west across the Malay Peninsula. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.439 And if anyone you know has has watched TV series 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.200 or whatever about like you know, terrorism in the air 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.359 or whatever, there's a show recently called Hijack. It was 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.680 on Apple when when a plane deviates from its flight plan, 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.359 it's a big deal. Like people notice this because it could, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.800 you know, indicate that there's something very bad that is 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.200 happening up there in terms of the pilot no longer 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:46.600 being in control of the plane, right. 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:47.080 Yeah. 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.080 And it also depends if it's a manual shift, right, 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.800 or if it's like if you recover something and it 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.680 shows to some kind of automatic system that shifted the 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.160 flight's path right. 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:00.399 You're and also it's an interrelated system, especially there are 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.399 more planes in the air. When you deviate from a path, 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:08.399 you risk a domino effect right of all the other things. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.400 It's kind of like on the ground version of this 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.840 would be if you are ever in a parking lot 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.600 and you see someone has done a crappy job parking 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.040 right everybody over the line. Well, also we have to 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.800 exercise empathy, you know, because the person who looks like 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.280 they did a bad parking job, they may have only 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.560 done that because the person before them left and the 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.359 and then that person's left. It looks like, yeah, I know, 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.399 you're totally right, dude. Yeah, I for a moment I 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.000 was like, empathy for those monsters. Never but Ben, you're right, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.840 there's there's oftentimes an unseen factor. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.120 There's always a BMW Prime. 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:53.040 Exactly, Yeah, exactly, there's a Toyota Mary. Yeah, all all 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:57.600 three villains. So yeah, we talked about in age three 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.800 seventy in twenty nineteen. I think that's a great quick 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:07.679 and dirty recap. The reason this still remains such a 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:12.120 mystery is that a lot of planes that disappear are 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:17.199 your smaller things, your pipers. You're privately privately owned or 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.320 piloted things in remote parts of the world where and 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:25.200 I'm not dismissing the tragedy at all, but a smaller 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.720 amount of people disappear. This is a Boeing seven seventy seven. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.240 It had two hundred and thirty nine people on it. 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.080 And that's the thing, like I was saying too, I mean, 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.000 there's so many eyes on these things because a little 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.439 deviation like that could affect other flight paths. You know, 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.160 it could cause a collision, mid air collision or any 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.880 number of things. So there, you know, could be international 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.240 eyes on it, depending on what parts of the skies. 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.959 You know, this is taking place in not just the 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.480 air traffic controllers of the originating you know, country, and 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.119 the origin of the passengers and the social position of 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.920 the passengers also plays a role. These people were from 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:07.480 fifteen different countries. They were flying internationally, so yes, there 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.919 were a lot of eyes on immediately. To the credit 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:14.280 of the authorities, people are searching everything they can and 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:20.359 they spend months looking. If the first search is fifty 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:25.560 two days, it is covering. They have hundreds of other 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.880 flights going over the flight path and anywhere near it, 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:32.560 over ocean where currents may have washed things around. They 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:36.160 cover one point seven million square miles and at first 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.240 they find nothing. It's as if the plane vanished, which 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.359 led to a lot of conspiracy theories. Of course, yeah, 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.880 makes perfect sense. I mean those kinds of questions would 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.280 be being asked. Before you get to the theories, let's 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.840