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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noel.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben where joyed as always with our
Speaker 3: super producer Paul, mission control decand most importantly, you are you.
Speaker 3: You are here? That makes this the stuff they don't want.
Speaker 2: You to know.
Speaker 3: I was thinking we begin tonight's episode and update on
Speaker 3: disappearing planes with a lovely piece of correspondence we received
Speaker 3: from Fatigued and Flying Weirdly enough. I don't want to
Speaker 3: say it's in defensive Boeing, but I think it's a
Speaker 3: good entry point for us Fatigue to fly and says,
Speaker 3: how do you all? I am Fatigued and flying here.
Speaker 3: I'm way behind, unfortunately, but catching up. I want to
Speaker 3: make sure something's clear here. Do not conflate airline maintenance
Speaker 3: issues with Boeing failures. The real stuff they don't want
Speaker 3: you to know is there's been an uptick in airline
Speaker 3: maintenance issues to the point I'm getting stories from captains
Speaker 3: regarding flagrant disregard of maintenance at a certain airline. Yet
Speaker 3: the airlines can publicly turn around and blame Boeing things
Speaker 3: like a wheel falling off. That's a maintenance issue, not
Speaker 3: a Boeing issue. I would not be surprised to see
Speaker 3: an FAA investigation by the end of the year. Keep
Speaker 3: the dirty side down. Fatigued to fly? I don't know
Speaker 3: that expression, but I think I like it.
Speaker 4: I mean that makes sense.
Speaker 5: These planes go through so much wear and tear, and
Speaker 5: they're not like guaranteed to be impenetrable. You know, you
Speaker 5: have to change the oil on your car, and that's
Speaker 5: not the responsibility of your car's manufacturer, is it. You know,
Speaker 5: got to get new tires, rotate your tires and all
Speaker 5: of that. It makes sense that would be kind of
Speaker 5: an easy scapegoat, you know, again, not in defensive blowing.
Speaker 5: They've definitely made some serious oopsis. But I can't see
Speaker 5: how some of these mistakes could be kind of like
Speaker 5: pushed off onto the manufacturer rather than you know, copping
Speaker 5: to a maintenance fum.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's one of the one reason
Speaker 3: and wrote back to fatigue to flying, and one reason
Speaker 3: I thought that was such an important point is because
Speaker 3: the news seems to be ignoring it a little bit,
Speaker 3: especially when headlines go viral. And right now, if you
Speaker 3: look around the media landscape for the past few years,
Speaker 3: it seems like planes are constantly encountering accidents and disaster.
Speaker 3: It reminds me. I don't know if we ever talked
Speaker 3: about this on air, but do you guys have a
Speaker 3: scariest flight you've ever taken that you remember thinking this
Speaker 3: might be the one?
Speaker 4: Just a little you know, extra rough air?
Speaker 5: Isn't it funny? I was thinking, I was thinking about
Speaker 5: this recently. They used to call it turbulence. Now they
Speaker 5: call it rough air, which seems like a total kind
Speaker 5: of like sugarcoating of turbulence, you know, like an airplane speak, right,
Speaker 5: it's a little bit more palatable rough air versus turbulence.
Speaker 2: The turbulence in itself was already a term that kind
Speaker 2: of didn't mean anything except for what it meant, and
Speaker 2: it I know, just hey, we're going to experience a
Speaker 2: little turbulence everyone, and really the plane is going to
Speaker 2: be shaking, You're going to be thrown around a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's going to be terrifying.
Speaker 4: But am I wrong?
Speaker 5: And that they've kind of ceased to use that term
Speaker 5: and they've replaced it with rough air. I swear I
Speaker 5: haven't heard anybody say turbulence in many years.
Speaker 3: I still hear turbulence, And it may be it may
Speaker 3: not be a mandate, or if it is, it maybe
Speaker 3: like an airline preference mandate, So it might depend on
Speaker 3: the airline you go to and the nature of your pilot.
Speaker 3: The scariest flight I ever, the scariest flights I have
Speaker 3: been on. I love flying, I'm fear of it. But
Speaker 3: the trickiest ones have inevitably been on really small planes,
Speaker 3: not in the US, like huddle jumpers somewhere, because then
Speaker 3: that's when the turbulce lengths of the rough air can
Speaker 3: really start ping ponging you around. But so statistically it
Speaker 3: is safer to fly than it is to drive or
Speaker 3: ride in a car in the United States, well even
Speaker 3: to walk sometimes if you're like adjacent to a roadway.
Speaker 3: And just to clear it up real quick, turbulence and
Speaker 3: rough air are kind of interchangeable. So it does seem
Speaker 3: like it might be a company line as to which
Speaker 3: term is used. And over the past decade or so
Speaker 3: doing this show stuff that'll want you to know we've
Speaker 3: been able to identify certain trends in the world of
Speaker 3: conspiracy and conspiratorial thought, and today's episode examines this trend
Speaker 3: that has only appeared to grow over the past few years,
Speaker 3: the idea of something something scary in the skies, particularly
Speaker 3: disappearing planes. Here are the facts.
Speaker 5: Well, given that you know, aviation powered flight in the
Speaker 5: timeline of humanity is a relatively recent development, it could
Speaker 5: be seen as a bit surprising when one has the
Speaker 5: realization that it's a bit tricky to figure out exactly
Speaker 5: how many planes exist, whether in the air or just
Speaker 5: in general. You know, I'm sure there are ways of
Speaker 5: you know, of course, there are ways of tracking flights
Speaker 5: commercial flights, but that doesn't take into account everything. And
Speaker 5: I'm sure that's not something that without some serious digging,
Speaker 5: you know, your average mortal would have access to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough because you can look at the you
Speaker 3: can look at the manufacturing numbers of the big boys
Speaker 3: in the game, like the air busses and your boeings,
Speaker 3: But so many individual planes have been built over the
Speaker 3: past century. Like you said, many are retired or they've
Speaker 3: been dismantled, destroyed, crashed, or disappeared there was. It was
Speaker 3: a pretty good move back into one seventeen found some
Speaker 3: pretty solid estimates that claimed at that time in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: there were an estimated thirty nine thousand planes on the planet,
Speaker 3: which honestly didn't seem like that many to me. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe it's not counting helicopters. Are we count you know,
Speaker 3: they are we counting military craft as well, because we'll
Speaker 3: never really know how many military craft are out there,
Speaker 3: but it looks like it looks like over the course
Speaker 3: of history, from all the publicly available information, the number
Speaker 3: was something like one hundred and fifty thousand, which still
Speaker 3: seems small to me. But you know, I guess most
Speaker 3: people don't own a plane, right, And just to backcheck
Speaker 3: on what I said ever so slightly, there are flight
Speaker 3: tracker websites that give you a pretty relatively accurate estimate
Speaker 3: of how many planes are currently in the air, and
Speaker 3: typically between seven seven hundred and eighty two and eighty
Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty five commercial planes are in the
Speaker 3: air at any time, and again that does not take
Speaker 3: into account the retired ones, the ones that have been grounded, dismantled.
Speaker 3: All of that good stuff yeah, and to that point.
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Speaker 3: know right right, just so private plane enthusiast in general,
Speaker 3: so Boeing in twenty seventeen. Same year, Boeing said, look,
Speaker 3: civilization overall is going to need another almost forty thousand
Speaker 3: planes thirty nine, six hundred and twenty over the next
Speaker 3: two decades. So if all those estimates held correct, the
Speaker 3: number of aircraft would be something like sixty three thousand,
Speaker 3: two hundred something in twenty thirty seven. Of course, those
Speaker 3: estimates did not factor in a global pandemic which absolutely
Speaker 3: walloped pretty much well the majority of industries on the planet.
Speaker 3: Air travel, there's no exception. Did you guys ever travel
Speaker 3: like take a flight during COVID during those restrictions? No? No, no,
Speaker 3: not not not during the lockdown. No it was not fun.
Speaker 3: I bet it was easy to get on the plane,
Speaker 3: you know, if you had your right paperwork, but all
Speaker 3: the little fun parts about riding on a plane were
Speaker 3: out the window except for sitting by the window seat.
Speaker 3: That was like the last person. Wasn't there a period though,
Speaker 3: where flights were grounded like pretty much indefinitely or was
Speaker 3: there always an ability to take a flight if you
Speaker 3: you know, have the you know, have the bravado to
Speaker 3: do so. Yeah. Yeah, So the actual stand down was
Speaker 3: pretty pretty abbreviated. So I was thinking, yeah, and we
Speaker 3: know that a lot of commercial carriers, when they couldn't
Speaker 3: get human passengers, they started hauling cargo and hauling freight
Speaker 3: just to keep the businesses going. Also, no country geopolitically
Speaker 3: wants to lose its airline because at some point it
Speaker 3: becomes a military capability and you don't want to rely
Speaker 3: on another country for that. So it's you get a
Speaker 3: little I'm not going to say it's easy to run
Speaker 3: an airline, it is absolutely not, but you get a
Speaker 3: little more TLC from your home government because they want
Speaker 3: you to stay in business too. But the cool thing is,
Speaker 3: unless you're terrified of planes and you hate them, the
Speaker 3: cool thing is there was this huge rebound in twenty
Speaker 3: so everything goes to pot in twenty nineteen. In twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, it's predicted these predictions seem in line. It's
Speaker 3: predicted that overall air travel is going to be higher
Speaker 3: than it was this year before the pandemic. So there
Speaker 3: are going to be four billion travelers in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: which is a pretty astonishing number. That's one hundred and
Speaker 3: three percent of what it was in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5: Is that just a product of people finally becoming fully comfortable.
Speaker 5: Has there still been sort of some gun shyness surrounding
Speaker 5: flying and then getting sick potentially or what does that represent?
Speaker 5: That's very very interesting, kind of alarmingly large number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe people well some people probably had money that
Speaker 3: they were going to spend on vacations that they just
Speaker 3: saved for several years. So maybe now people are, for instance,
Speaker 3: going to take that honeymoon they had planned on. You know,
Speaker 3: there could be any number of reasons. But this is
Speaker 3: good news, right. But along with this good news, there
Speaker 3: are a lot of complications. I love that we're mentioning
Speaker 3: private planes. Environmental damage became a huge you know, like
Speaker 3: sticking point in online conversation. The maintenance just gets more
Speaker 3: expensive the more planes you have and the more active
Speaker 3: they are, and then the if is structure. I feel like,
Speaker 3: I hope we don't sound like stodgy old curmudgeons when
Speaker 3: we're complaining about you know, water mains and crumbling bridges.
Speaker 3: But have you guys met an air traffic controller. They're
Speaker 3: intense and they're kind of stressed out. I actually recently
Speaker 3: saw a TikTok or something where it was some audio
Speaker 3: recordings of pilots communicating with air traffic controllers, and they've
Speaker 3: got some funny, snarky little end jokes, and I wish
Speaker 3: I could remember exactly what it was, but it was
Speaker 3: a really interesting peak behind the curtain. I bet you
Speaker 3: could just google it, and I think you'd probably be
Speaker 3: There wasn't anything alarming, but it was some kind of
Speaker 3: gallows humor for sure, Oh I bet yeah. And I
Speaker 3: know also that there are boat controllers right who do
Speaker 3: the same kind of thing for watercraft, and they're just
Speaker 3: as stressed out because updating the calm systems and updating
Speaker 3: the control tower and things like that. It's one of
Speaker 3: those expenses that people don't think about until it breaks.
Speaker 3: The skies are getting crowded if you go.
Speaker 2: To well, I see the high stakes are I mean exactly,
Speaker 2: if you mess up just a little bit. Uh, you
Speaker 2: could kill hundreds of people.
Speaker 3: Right, and we can always re record on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Exactly true.
Speaker 5: It's interesting though, how like it takes a lot to
Speaker 5: fully erode the trust in air travel. You know, even
Speaker 5: with all of these you know, seemingly disastrous occurrences that
Speaker 5: have been happening, it seems a little bit with more
Speaker 5: frequency lately, it doesn't seem like it's it's been a
Speaker 5: death now for like the industry, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a big part of that is because the
Speaker 3: industry of the type of craft that are around now
Speaker 3: and used commercially, they've been normalized, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's we see, you know, like a jetliner are not
Speaker 3: a thing because jetliners were not normalized when things went wrong. Right.
Speaker 3: People are giving Tesla and Cybertruck a hard time for
Speaker 3: valid reasons, but obviously one big part of that is
Speaker 3: that they are new, you know what I mean. Ford's
Speaker 3: breakdown too. We've heard the acronym found on road dead.
Speaker 3: But because they've been around so long, people will just
Speaker 3: shrug and say, mistakes happen. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 3: are there more disasters in the sky now that now
Speaker 3: that we've gone from the friendly skies to the crowded
Speaker 3: clouds or is it just that we're seeing more, we're
Speaker 3: hearing more about it. Boeing had what nine separate issues
Speaker 3: within the span of three months of varying severity from
Speaker 3: like the wheels to the wind interior. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: of course deaths of former employees, whistleblower statements. People started
Speaker 3: to wonder if there was against or sue with Boeing.
Speaker 3: But again, you know, you kind of preface the the
Speaker 3: auto to the auto to aircraft comparison, because if you
Speaker 3: don't take care of you know, your Honda Odyssey or whatever,
Speaker 3: it's not Honda's fault when it breaks down.
Speaker 2: Well, but but it's Honda's fault if they put the
Speaker 2: pieces together wrong. Oh, which is what Boeing's whistleblowers are saying,
Speaker 2: which I think, I mean when we talked about in
Speaker 2: the past, I think there's definitely a conspiracy there just
Speaker 2: to put profits over anything else.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, Yeah, I would tend to agree with you.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think the maintenance though too, fatigue
Speaker 3: and flins, I think that point has to be in
Speaker 3: the conversation. Yeah, because it's definitely maintenance. It's it's not
Speaker 3: just one loan Gunman of problems in regard.
Speaker 2: But I'm just imagining if you if you need to
Speaker 2: change the oil on your car, right, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you're if the container that holds your oil is
Speaker 2: manufactured incorrectly and has some dang holes in it, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, A lot of the engineering, a lot of it,
Speaker 3: Like you know, one thing I've noticed more often now
Speaker 3: with at least internal combustion cars, newer models, the way
Speaker 3: they're the way they're they're like, engineering priorities are increasingly
Speaker 3: inconvenient for the person who owns the car or the
Speaker 3: person who works on the car, like you should. If
Speaker 3: you build cars, folks, if you design them first, thank
Speaker 3: you so much, big fan. Secondly, please make it easy
Speaker 3: to get to the battery. Jesus, please make it like
Speaker 3: reason noble to change the oil. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I need you to remove four pieces of this vehicle
Speaker 2: before you get access to the battery, which is.
Speaker 5: The thing that's gonna die front panel or whatever. No,
Speaker 5: I do think it's worth pointing out to you and Matt.
Speaker 5: I think you're absolutely right that the Boeing is certainly
Speaker 5: at fault, and there does seem to be a culture
Speaker 5: of kind of cutting corners. But based on we're talking
Speaker 5: about with COVID and the need to kind of claw
Speaker 5: back some of those profits that were lost. I think
Speaker 5: both the manufacturers and the airlines have equal kind of
Speaker 5: reasons to potentially, you know, maybe cut a few corners
Speaker 5: here and there to try to get that get those
Speaker 5: profits back up.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, the blood price right now? How much how
Speaker 3: much profit would you trade for human lives? But this
Speaker 3: is also bigger than Boeing. You know, in each of
Speaker 3: those cases we're talking about, you have to individually look
Speaker 3: at them right to determine the chain of responsibility where
Speaker 3: any blame might be found. And that's what authorities are
Speaker 3: doing now. But the reality of the situation is there
Speaker 3: are more planes in the sky. There are crowded clouds.
Speaker 3: If you want to get a sense of it, here's
Speaker 3: the website we're teasing earlier. Go to a flight radar
Speaker 3: twenty four dot com. It is an active, live map
Speaker 3: of the world and it shows you where the majority
Speaker 3: of the world's planes are right now. If you if
Speaker 3: you click on it, it's it's nuts, especially when you
Speaker 3: zoom out. I'm getting lost in it.
Speaker 2: Does it have X thirty seven b on there.
Speaker 3: No, because it's too too high up high. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: too high up. And you know, the dumbest thing I've
Speaker 3: been doing for the past few months is I'll I'll
Speaker 3: get onto this site and I'll just check on Antarctica.
Speaker 3: You know, I just want to see.
Speaker 2: Because nobody can fly over the ice wall. Baby.
Speaker 3: That's right, mountains of madness, and uh, we're gonna We're
Speaker 3: gonna pause before we ascend the peak of madness here. Uh,
Speaker 3: there are more opportunities now for mistakes, accidents, and disasters.
Speaker 3: And yes, some planes simply disappear. No one sure what
Speaker 3: happened to these planes, but we do hopefully have some updates.
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, all right. It sounds bonkers
Speaker 3: right to say we lost the plane. We know they're big,
Speaker 3: but we lost the plane.
Speaker 2: Well, there's so much technology on each one of those
Speaker 2: planes that are meant to ensure that very thing never happens,
Speaker 2: even if it goes down, even if it catches on fire, explodes.
Speaker 3: With the famous black box right right, Yeah, supposedly indestructible
Speaker 3: and is meant to carry the sort of the electronic
Speaker 3: and mechanical equivalent of the last words of the plane
Speaker 3: if something goes wrong, so you can figure out, you
Speaker 3: can conduct forensics and see like, oh, this temperature sensor
Speaker 3: said this, or this altimeter reported this.
Speaker 2: Well, and they have complex transponders, services, and systems on
Speaker 2: them that would should allow for anyone to recover it.
Speaker 2: Even if it's at the bottom of the ocean, like
Speaker 2: thirteen thousand feet below the sea or something, or even further.
Speaker 3: Even Point Nemo stuff, you should be able to find it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's down there somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Point Nemo is the remote part of the Earth, folks,
Speaker 3: if you make it out to Point in Nemo, in
Speaker 3: very intimidating, intimidating, distant part of the Pacific Ocean. This
Speaker 3: is true. The closest people to you are going to
Speaker 3: be the astronauts in the International Space Station. That's how
Speaker 3: far away that is. That's how big the Pacific Ocean is.
Speaker 3: And I think maybe that's the most important part to
Speaker 3: remember when we ask about losing planes. There's just so
Speaker 3: much area to search. And you're right, Matt, GPS, satellite networks,
Speaker 3: these great improvements in surveillance and communication would make us
Speaker 3: think the days of Amelia Earhart are a thing of
Speaker 3: the past. But Lessening the chance of a disappearance is
Speaker 3: not the same thing as reducing it to zero. So
Speaker 3: the most infamous recent disappearance that we might start with
Speaker 3: today would be that of Malaysia Airlines Flight three seventy
Speaker 3: or MH three seventy, which on March eighth of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: was heading from Kuala Lumpur, which is the capital of Malaysia,
Speaker 3: to Beijing when it took an unscheduled I guess deviation
Speaker 3: from its from its flight flight plan fight flight path.
Speaker 4: It turned west across the Malay Peninsula.
Speaker 5: And if anyone you know has has watched TV series
Speaker 5: or whatever about like you know, terrorism in the air
Speaker 5: or whatever, there's a show recently called Hijack. It was
Speaker 5: on Apple when when a plane deviates from its flight plan,
Speaker 5: it's a big deal. Like people notice this because it could,
Speaker 5: you know, indicate that there's something very bad that is
Speaker 5: happening up there in terms of the pilot no longer
Speaker 5: being in control of the plane, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it also depends if it's a manual shift, right,
Speaker 2: or if it's like if you recover something and it
Speaker 2: shows to some kind of automatic system that shifted the
Speaker 2: flight's path right.
Speaker 3: You're and also it's an interrelated system, especially there are
Speaker 3: more planes in the air. When you deviate from a path,
Speaker 3: you risk a domino effect right of all the other things.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like on the ground version of this
Speaker 3: would be if you are ever in a parking lot
Speaker 3: and you see someone has done a crappy job parking
Speaker 3: right everybody over the line. Well, also we have to
Speaker 3: exercise empathy, you know, because the person who looks like
Speaker 3: they did a bad parking job, they may have only
Speaker 3: done that because the person before them left and the
Speaker 3: and then that person's left. It looks like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: you're totally right, dude. Yeah, I for a moment I
Speaker 3: was like, empathy for those monsters. Never but Ben, you're right,
Speaker 3: there's there's oftentimes an unseen factor.
Speaker 2: There's always a BMW Prime.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, exactly, there's a Toyota Mary. Yeah, all all
Speaker 3: three villains. So yeah, we talked about in age three
Speaker 3: seventy in twenty nineteen. I think that's a great quick
Speaker 3: and dirty recap. The reason this still remains such a
Speaker 3: mystery is that a lot of planes that disappear are
Speaker 3: your smaller things, your pipers. You're privately privately owned or
Speaker 3: piloted things in remote parts of the world where and
Speaker 3: I'm not dismissing the tragedy at all, but a smaller
Speaker 3: amount of people disappear. This is a Boeing seven seventy seven.
Speaker 3: It had two hundred and thirty nine people on it.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, like I was saying too, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's so many eyes on these things because a little
Speaker 3: deviation like that could affect other flight paths. You know,
Speaker 3: it could cause a collision, mid air collision or any
Speaker 3: number of things. So there, you know, could be international
Speaker 3: eyes on it, depending on what parts of the skies.
Speaker 3: You know, this is taking place in not just the
Speaker 3: air traffic controllers of the originating you know, country, and
Speaker 3: the origin of the passengers and the social position of
Speaker 3: the passengers also plays a role. These people were from
Speaker 3: fifteen different countries. They were flying internationally, so yes, there
Speaker 3: were a lot of eyes on immediately. To the credit
Speaker 3: of the authorities, people are searching everything they can and
Speaker 3: they spend months looking. If the first search is fifty
Speaker 3: two days, it is covering. They have hundreds of other
Speaker 3: flights going over the flight path and anywhere near it,
Speaker 3: over ocean where currents may have washed things around. They
Speaker 3: cover one point seven million square miles and at first
Speaker 3: they find nothing. It's as if the plane vanished, which
Speaker 3: led to a lot of conspiracy theories. Of course, yeah,
Speaker 3: makes perfect sense. I mean those kinds of questions would
Speaker 3: be being asked. Before you get to the theories, let's
Speaker 3: walk through some of the other ins and outs. So
Speaker 3: multiple governments, like we said, were involved. They spent something
Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty million dollars Australia, Malaysia, China,
Speaker 3: and I think Japan, and they had a search where
Speaker 3: they covered forty six thousand miles of ocean, and then
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen they called off the search and they said,
Speaker 3: we just were not finding stuff. But that obviously didn't
Speaker 3: satisfy the family members and the loved ones of those
Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty nine people, so they pressured the
Speaker 3: Malaysian government, and the Malaysian government launched a new search
Speaker 3: with private industry, a really interesting company called Ocean Infinity.
Speaker 3: They're very good at what they do. But unfortunately, after
Speaker 3: months of searching in this other you know, in this
Speaker 3: other partnership, they didn't find anything. Would these be like
Speaker 3: unmanned small submarine craft. When Paul and I were working
Speaker 3: with John Walzac on Missing Season one, which is about
Speaker 3: a mysterious plane disappearance, we used one of those underwater
Speaker 3: underwater vehicles, like a remotely operated vehicle.
Speaker 2: Now, to my understanding, Ocean Affinity struck a deal with
Speaker 2: Malaysia to basically search and if they didn't find anything,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't get paid. That was kind of the deal
Speaker 2: they struck, which is an amazing deal for Malaysia because
Speaker 2: my gosh, if it fails, if the search fails, and
Speaker 2: you don't have to pay anything, and that's what happened, right.
Speaker 3: Is this an example of a company trying to make
Speaker 3: a name for itself and we're rolling the dice on
Speaker 3: a deal like this? I mean, very maybe very interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean it seems like a very risky move, maybe
Speaker 3: to maybe to some degree. They were founded in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: so they were not around when this occurred. But they've
Speaker 3: done a lot of other operations. They've located wrecked watercraft
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, so they weren't. They weren't acting
Speaker 3: in bad faith. I think they, like most people, were
Speaker 3: just personally hoping to contribute to closure in this situation.
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not suggesting they were outreating bad faith necessarily.
Speaker 4: I just think being willing to take that deal.
Speaker 5: You know, it seems like the benefit to them would
Speaker 5: be to have their names in the headlines and to
Speaker 5: kind of like, you know, make a name for a
Speaker 5: relatively newly established a company, you know, have a big success.
Speaker 2: To my understanding, that forty six thousand square miles you're
Speaker 2: mentioning there've been that was previously searched, right, Ocean Infinity said, Okay,
Speaker 2: we've got this drift study. So if there was debris
Speaker 2: anywhere in that huge sector of the ocean that was
Speaker 2: already searched, if it did drift, it probably went north
Speaker 2: in this direction. So they said, we're going to search
Speaker 2: that area, and that's going to be our plan, right,
Speaker 2: But since that failed, I don't know, I guess I'm
Speaker 2: really interested to hear what these updates are, because man,
Speaker 2: it feels like, if that amount of ocean has already
Speaker 2: been searched, where the heck else could it be?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly where else could it be? And the the
Speaker 3: issue too, is that already we see speculation thriving right
Speaker 3: on things like where the location of the craft could
Speaker 3: end up right, and a lot of oceanography has to
Speaker 3: be involved when we're thinking through the passage, the post
Speaker 3: accident passage of said a lot of folks were saying
Speaker 3: in the beginning, maybe a crash in the ocean after
Speaker 3: running out of fuel, which is terrible because the Indian
Speaker 3: Ocean is a pretty dangerous place to crash. And the
Speaker 3: thing is, the pieces started washing up to the shore
Speaker 3: over time. Twenty pieces that were believed twenty pieces of debris,
Speaker 3: just chunks of stuff that we're believed to be from
Speaker 3: the plane were located around the coast of the African
Speaker 3: mainland and then a bunch of small remote islands in
Speaker 3: the Indian Ocean, which is I believe Madagascar, Mauritius, and Rodriguez. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Reunion is probably one of the best examples. In twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: just a little while after the crash, people found a
Speaker 3: large object something that I was not familiar with apologies
Speaker 3: aviation experts, a flapperon, which is kind of a silly name,
Speaker 3: but a flapperon is the it's a thing on the wing.
Speaker 3: They found a flapper a flappy doo from the wing.
Speaker 3: It definitely came from a Boeing seventy seven, and given
Speaker 3: the timeline, that means it was almost certainly three seven.
Speaker 4: Is that what they is that the flaps they're talking about.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is just.
Speaker 5: The long name that they short knit to flaps, full flaps.
Speaker 5: That's how you you know, grade your angle, you know,
Speaker 5: and move, you know, your trajectory of a fight.
Speaker 3: Because flapperon sounds silly. It's a silly thing for a
Speaker 3: pilot to say, like we're adjusting the flapperons. Flapparon sounds
Speaker 3: like an insult from Don Quixote. It really does, like
Speaker 3: you'd slap somebody with a glove, you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it says here on the Wall
Speaker 2: Street Journal that flaperons helped stabilize planes during low speed flying,
Speaker 2: during takeoff and landing.
Speaker 3: And they're a portmanteau of flap and aliron.
Speaker 4: Are they are true? What what's the second word?
Speaker 3: A luron?
Speaker 4: Well, that would we have a whole other word we
Speaker 4: have to explore. I don't know that one either.
Speaker 3: So it's astonishing. I think the just how far these
Speaker 3: individual pieces of what appears to be a single plane
Speaker 3: of washed, you know, to the earlier point about drifting currents.
Speaker 3: That's frightening.
Speaker 5: I guess my question though, and I know that we're
Speaker 5: going to get to some of this is like would
Speaker 5: this have been some sort of catastrophic failure like a
Speaker 5: mid air explosion that would have tossed debris but not
Speaker 5: but only some of it? Like why would there have
Speaker 5: only been like parts if it all went down in
Speaker 5: one peace well from the impact the ocean impact, you know.
Speaker 5: But I mean, if it runs out of fuel, couldn't
Speaker 5: they coast and do like an emergency water landing without
Speaker 5: having some sort of insane impact that would have caused
Speaker 5: you know, some sort of catastrophic you know, destruction.
Speaker 2: It goes into a lot of the different theories, right.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna we're gonna you jump into all
Speaker 2: that stuff because there are reasons, plausible reasons for a
Speaker 2: plane to just continue flying in some direction until it
Speaker 2: runs out of fuel and then impact the ocean.
Speaker 3: Autopilot is a hell of a drug. Yeah, this is true.
Speaker 3: After more than four years of searching and investigating this stuff,
Speaker 3: there was an official report released. It was a novel.
Speaker 3: It was four hundred and ninety five pages in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: and people were very unhappy with it because despite five
Speaker 3: hundred or so pages of research. There were no conclusive
Speaker 3: answers about what happened, and that's horrifying if you know
Speaker 3: one of your loved ones was on the plane. No
Speaker 3: one knows why it went off course, no one knows
Speaker 3: exactly where it is today. It's one of the greatest
Speaker 3: aviation mysteries of all time. So there's no surprise people
Speaker 3: have cooked up all sorts of strange theories about the disaster.
Speaker 3: Some are distressingly plausible, others are downright bizarre, to the
Speaker 3: point that people involved have felt even bringing them up
Speaker 3: is disrespectful. Should we start with the most plausible ones?
Speaker 3: I think so? Running out of fuel?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess that was That was one
Speaker 5: of my questions was if you did run out of fuel,
Speaker 5: you would be forced to make an emergency landing. And see,
Speaker 5: it's part of the whole spiel that you hear, you know,
Speaker 5: and the event of a water landing and all of
Speaker 5: that stuff. You know, you inflate, you're like vest before
Speaker 5: you helped, you know, the young person that you're with
Speaker 5: or whatever. So this is definitely a scenario that we've
Speaker 5: all mentally been prepared for in the most kind of
Speaker 5: cute sea of a video presentation to make Gato actually
Speaker 5: worry about it. But we are required by law to
Speaker 5: express this eventuality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you like some of us in the
Speaker 3: crowd today, if you're one of those people who loves
Speaker 3: sitting in an exit row because you like the idea
Speaker 3: of being heroic, you might be surprised to know those
Speaker 3: inflatable water slides things. Yeah. I don't think they're really used,
Speaker 3: you know, very often, but it.
Speaker 2: Is a possibility, right, you can make a water landing.
Speaker 3: You can't. People have, people have.
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna go the way. Maybe it's you
Speaker 2: think it is in your head. If you're just a
Speaker 2: passenger and you look at the the fun images that
Speaker 2: you see, or you watch the video of the Delta Maa,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a little different. Well, I've never been
Speaker 2: in that situation. Have you guys ever been in an
Speaker 2: emergency plane situation? I've never emergency?
Speaker 3: Yes, water slide no, No.
Speaker 5: But there are of course crafts that are designed to
Speaker 5: land on water that have those little bumper thingies you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: puddle jumpers. They're literally designed too. They have these inflate
Speaker 5: not inflatables, but like floatation things. That are kind of
Speaker 5: built in, and that's perfectly normal, it's part of protocol.
Speaker 5: But a giant jumbo jet, you know, literally flying under
Speaker 5: just nothing but its own weight, you know, with no
Speaker 5: engines and no ability to hit a runway correctly with
Speaker 5: the wheels. I mean, that would be a massive impact,
Speaker 5: wouldn't it. It's not as rosy as as the video
Speaker 5: presentations at all.
Speaker 3: Two things First, particularly with what you're bringing up about
Speaker 3: the delta, the instructions that play on a plane or
Speaker 3: that are acted out in smaller planes. One thing that
Speaker 3: always astonishes me about those is, okay, first off, flight
Speaker 3: attendants are there for safety and they bust their humps.
Speaker 3: They're very unappreciated. And one of the strangest, most impressive
Speaker 3: things is how they learned to stay smiling no matter
Speaker 3: what they're saying. You know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 3: no smoking and I don't know how like it's a
Speaker 3: it's a specific type of smile. You are taught in
Speaker 3: those in that profession. But the second thing is I
Speaker 3: was trying to remember the name of this what's the
Speaker 3: what's the pop culture term for when people just act
Speaker 3: like idiots and an airplane I swear to God, there's one,
Speaker 3: you know, when people start freaking out, makes it like
Speaker 3: sort of like affluenza airplane bad behavior. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: but there is I feel like there is a term.
Speaker 5: If there's not there, damn well should be because it
Speaker 5: certainly is a thing.
Speaker 3: But also flight fury.
Speaker 4: There you go, Ben, that makes absolute sense. And I
Speaker 4: was just on a ten hour flight.
Speaker 5: And the only way to get through those, if you're
Speaker 5: not lucky enough to have some sort of sedative is
Speaker 5: like they dim the lights, they make it as placid
Speaker 5: as possible, they make it as mellow as bottle, because
Speaker 5: let's face it, guys, we're in a giant metal tube
Speaker 5: careening through the air with nothing but like science to
Speaker 5: colding us up there. And not to say the science
Speaker 5: isn't a very important, powerful force, but it requires a
Speaker 5: little suspension of disbelief to not be terrified, you know,
Speaker 5: of being in that situation, especially for ten hours over
Speaker 5: the ocean, open ocean.
Speaker 2: But guys, can we I want to bring something up
Speaker 2: which is one of the more terrifying things that I
Speaker 2: can imagine happening on a plane, and it has to
Speaker 2: do with the fact that the main problem occurred thirty
Speaker 2: eight minutes after takeoff with MH three seventy, which some
Speaker 2: experts believed pointed to depressurization of the cabin early on
Speaker 2: as it reached altitude. So as it got up, there
Speaker 2: was something wrong in the plane to where it didn't
Speaker 2: pressurize correctly, oxygen wasn't flowing correctly for both passengers and
Speaker 2: people in the cockpit, and it caused everybody on the
Speaker 2: plane to basically lose consciousness. They before they could the
Speaker 2: masks changed, well, yeah, before they could change things or
Speaker 2: repressurize the cabin or get back down to a lower altitude.
Speaker 3: Right after they also after they had spoken with ATC
Speaker 3: with air Traffic Control and things looked like they were
Speaker 3: on the literal up and up. It's also I don't
Speaker 3: want to lose flight fury. I think I'm onto something
Speaker 3: with that that was not already a term.
Speaker 5: But ben, isn't that depressurized situation when the masks drop,
Speaker 5: doesn't it detect to change in cabin?
Speaker 4: Probably?
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm just regurgitating all the stuff I've learned from
Speaker 5: the in flight video.
Speaker 4: But maybe once again, that's not enough.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not necessarily right. It depends on I mean,
Speaker 3: are those sensors working. That's one of the first questions, right,
Speaker 3: how what is the rate of depressurization? You know, does
Speaker 3: it feel like also thirty eight minutes in, we don't
Speaker 3: know if that had already done the thing where you
Speaker 3: did in the lights, right, and you start maybe people
Speaker 3: start falling asleep, and you think they're just settling in
Speaker 3: for the flight.
Speaker 5: Well, to quote Tyler Dirdin from Fight Club, oxygen gets
Speaker 5: you high, makes you docile, you accept your fate.
Speaker 3: Like again, you have to wonder.
Speaker 5: Is this something that's actually designed to save you or
Speaker 5: is it something that's just designed to take the sting
Speaker 5: out of your ultimate demise or just make you kind
Speaker 5: of like you know this fase.
Speaker 2: Well, the thought is it would keep you alive until
Speaker 2: the pilots could get the plane back to a place
Speaker 2: where it needed to be.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm being a doommonger.
Speaker 4: I apologize.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's doom mongering. I think of that
Speaker 3: every time, you know, I see those old school drills
Speaker 3: where it's like, in case of a nuclear attack, get
Speaker 3: under your desk, right, or what's the old joke about
Speaker 3: the crash position thesis teach you on planes put your
Speaker 3: head between your legs. So you can kiss your askoby.
Speaker 3: I mean like it's still it is better than nothing.
Speaker 3: The idea depressurization attorney creating a zombie flight is unfortunately plausible.
Speaker 3: Autopilot could keep going for some time, you know, most
Speaker 3: modern I'd say the majority of modern commercial airliners do
Speaker 3: use autopilot.
Speaker 5: But surely the pilots wouldn't depend on some sort of
Speaker 5: autosystem deploying. They would probably have free you know, freestanding
Speaker 5: oxygen masks they could put their hands on and then
Speaker 5: they know what was going on they put that thing on,
Speaker 5: you know. I think that the pilots would have more
Speaker 5: specific equipment to deal with something like that, and then
Speaker 5: they wouldn't necessarily be in the exact same boat as
Speaker 5: the passengers. Some got a cockpit redundancy, I would think,
Speaker 5: so like like a literal mask, they could just then
Speaker 5: they have right there in the cockpit. They don't have
Speaker 5: to wait for someone to deploy.
Speaker 3: You know. Another I don't know, I'm just done wondering.
Speaker 3: Another Another theory they think captured people's minds for quite
Speaker 3: some time was the idea of a quote unquote rogue
Speaker 3: pilot that someone had a that someone was having personal
Speaker 3: issues that may have led to them for one reason
Speaker 3: or another, deliberately trying to crash the plane, which would
Speaker 3: have made it a criminal act. Well, yeah, remember that
Speaker 3: pilot that took mushrooms five days prior to his flight
Speaker 3: and then totally lost his mind, you know on the
Speaker 3: flight that remember that story on that plane. Now, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: that's right, but what Okay? But he was able because
Speaker 3: he's a pilot. He was able to get there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was able to so havoc. And so the pilot
Speaker 3: that's accused of being a rogue actor Zahari Ahmad Shah.
Speaker 3: The idea here is that still like you were saying, Matt,
Speaker 3: depressurization occurred, but that he purposely depressurized the plane, causing
Speaker 3: that hypoxia, and then lowered the plane to three thousand
Speaker 3: feet And probably the more cinematic, very much unproven theory
Speaker 3: that people were floating around was that when he lowered
Speaker 3: the plane to three thousand feet altitude, he parachuted out
Speaker 3: to meet his mistress in a boat a dinghy. I
Speaker 3: don't buy it. I don't know that is real specific, y'all.
Speaker 3: It seems like they're better ways to make a splash. Sorry,
Speaker 3: no pun intended than that. I can't imagine what a
Speaker 3: I mean, Yeah, I don't know. That seems very elaborate. Well,
Speaker 3: then what if the plane was hijacked? As a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, why don't we take a pause for a
Speaker 3: word from our sponsors, because now I think that's the
Speaker 3: line of getting into the crazier theory. That's right, and
Speaker 3: we've returned, all right. So we have to be careful
Speaker 3: with the term expert when it's thrown around in the news,
Speaker 3: because people can be experts of one thing and it
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily make them experts on another thing. You know,
Speaker 3: you could say I am an expert on physics, but
Speaker 3: that does not make you an expert on vulcanology, whether
Speaker 3: that's the study of magma or the study of vulcans
Speaker 3: in Star Trek. I think, no, you know what, We're
Speaker 3: going to keep it in. But just to be fair,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot of overlap between STEM
Speaker 3: experts and Star Trek fans. I feel like those two
Speaker 3: worlds go together.
Speaker 2: What are STEM experts science.
Speaker 3: Technology, engineering, mathematics experts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: Tell us if we're wrong, tell us if you're if
Speaker 3: you are if you're a hard science professor. You just
Speaker 3: hate star Trek and don't get it. But look, the
Speaker 3: reason I'm saying the thing about the experts is that
Speaker 3: aviation experts have claimed that Russia specifically had the means
Speaker 3: and the motive to hijack Malaysia Flight or Malaysia Air
Speaker 3: three seventy, and that we only think of it as
Speaker 3: a crash because things went wrong.
Speaker 4: But to what end?
Speaker 5: I guess typically, like, if there's a hijacking, it's usually
Speaker 5: almost like a hostage taking situation, and you usually have
Speaker 5: demands and there's some kind of communication that takes place.
Speaker 5: Are you saying that that stuff might have been covered
Speaker 5: up or I guess yeah, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 3: Okay, the possible methods are interesting because Russia does have
Speaker 3: a lot of aerospace sophistication, right, They're very good at it.
Speaker 3: But it breaks down when this guy is talking about
Speaker 3: the motive, the aviation expert in particular, we're talking about
Speaker 3: guy named Jeff Wise, and so Jeff Wise says Russia's
Speaker 3: motive for hijacking or attacking three seventy was to quote
Speaker 3: distract from the annexation of Crimea or to respond to
Speaker 3: sanctions imposed by the us. I don't know. That seems
Speaker 3: kind of like a roundabout. I feel like that just
Speaker 3: a cost benefit calculation. If you tried to blow up
Speaker 3: a plane or hijack a plane for that reason to
Speaker 3: distract from CRIMEA, you would just be further in the
Speaker 3: news as a super villain. Right for me, that doesn't
Speaker 3: hold up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember there was a lot of scuttle but
Speaker 2: at the time about the passengers on the plane who
Speaker 2: were I know there was like an IBM former executive
Speaker 2: or actually an actual executive from IBM, and a couple
Speaker 2: other people who are pretty high up in the tech
Speaker 2: world as well as there were rumors about certain objects
Speaker 2: that were on the plane that were basically prototypes technology.
Speaker 2: But again, a lot of that stuff I didn't see
Speaker 2: fully substantiated. I don't know if you guys found anything
Speaker 2: about that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate the use of the word scuttle, but
Speaker 3: because that's a lot of what it is, and these
Speaker 3: things seemed either somewhat misrepresented, some of the tales about
Speaker 3: the passengers because again it's two hundred and thirty nine
Speaker 3: passengers and crew, So if you are connecting conspiratorial dots,
Speaker 3: it would be very easy and dangerously tempting to find
Speaker 3: one of those connections, you know what I mean, or you
Speaker 3: can find something that seems like a connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot made about this company called
Speaker 2: free Scale that makes microchips and they do a lot
Speaker 2: of defense industry work, which I think, at least in
Speaker 2: my mind, was the unspoken connection that was made there
Speaker 2: when officials were thinking about Russia, you know, as a
Speaker 2: possible culprit for some reason or another takeout the microchips
Speaker 2: meant for some defense purposes for other countries mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And then going to the idea of secret cargo, right,
Speaker 3: four tons of top secret stuff. These stories begin departing
Speaker 3: the realm of fact and entering the land of folklore.
Speaker 3: And maybe this is where we talk about the probably
Speaker 3: the most far out there. We weren't sure if we're
Speaker 3: gonna mention it on air today, but the Stargate theory. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's certainly I'm so sci fi pilled. I
Speaker 3: guess that my mind immediately goes to like the plots
Speaker 3: of TV series like Lost, you know, or like an
Speaker 3: airplane disappears and goes to another dimension or something like that,
Speaker 3: or as abducted in.
Speaker 4: Some way or slips through a portal of time space.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a video you can find. It was posted.
Speaker 2: I saw it on Reddit. I'm sure you guys did too.
Speaker 2: It appears to show a plane, a passenger jet, up
Speaker 2: in the sky, photographed by some kind of either infrared
Speaker 2: or other you know, photography methods. It appears to be
Speaker 2: encircled I think is the word you might use by
Speaker 2: three let's say, uap or dots or other objects. Those
Speaker 2: dots seemed to accelerate in their movement around the plane
Speaker 2: until the plane and the dots disappear. And there's absolutely
Speaker 2: no information concretely linking this video to Malaysia Airlines three seventy.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: There are statements that are made, and it's been reposted
Speaker 2: a ton of a lot of speculation from you know,
Speaker 2: a secondary or tertiary poster and just goes down the
Speaker 2: line as interesting and cool as it was, like, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, maybe that's what happened. That's why they couldn't
Speaker 2: find it. It disappeared because it was teleported. It does appear
Speaker 2: to have been pretty fully debunked by France twenty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and that's kind of the That is the
Speaker 3: typical course that those sorts of claims will take because
Speaker 3: they happened pretty often in the world of aviation, but
Speaker 3: also in the world of maritime disaster, right because again,
Speaker 3: people want an explanation for these things. None of these
Speaker 3: theories have been conclusively proven, even the most plausible ones.
Speaker 3: At this point, we know the plane was there, Things
Speaker 3: started getting wonky, and then pieces of what very much
Speaker 3: appears to be the plane washed ashore around the world,
Speaker 3: around the Indian Ocean. And we go to the head
Speaker 3: of the safety investigation team from Malaysia, Kuksu Chon, who
Speaker 3: said all the available evidence and there wasn't much of it,
Speaker 3: irresistibly pointed in their opinion to unlawful interference, which many
Speaker 3: took to be a sign or a signal dog whistle
Speaker 3: that the plane was hijacked. But there was still no
Speaker 3: outside of accusations from a few people, there's still no
Speaker 3: evidence of who might have interfered and why they chose
Speaker 3: to do so. Luckily, we do have an update. Malaysian
Speaker 3: officials recently said in a statement just a few days
Speaker 3: back that the government is ready to launch a new
Speaker 3: search operation. Ocean Infinity came back to them years later
Speaker 3: and said, look, we want to we want to do
Speaker 3: this again. We've got lessons learned, we have better technology,
Speaker 3: better techniques. And then alongside that there are people who
Speaker 3: there are people like the British tech expert Ian Wilson
Speaker 3: who just last year said I found the plane in
Speaker 3: a jungle in Cambodia. And the weird thing is that
Speaker 3: with that is, if the wreckage is in Cambodia, how
Speaker 3: did all this other stuff wash up from the Indian Ocean?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? They're kind of contradictory.
Speaker 2: Do we have any other information on that.
Speaker 3: On the idea of the Cambodia theory.
Speaker 2: It's just like somebody literally saw it on Google Maps
Speaker 2: and then didn't send a team out to investigate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, saw it on Google Maps.
Speaker 2: And if you go to, oh my gosh, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the picture right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ambitious and optimistic to call it that plane
Speaker 3: crash in particular. You can read more about that in
Speaker 3: any number of any number of outfits. Even a lot
Speaker 3: of British tabloids covered it for a while, like US tabloids.
Speaker 3: But again there's just no proof. And here's the thing,
Speaker 3: this is part of this is part of our setup.
Speaker 3: This will we will probably end up making this a
Speaker 3: multi episode series going forward, because although MG three seventy
Speaker 3: was in the news so often, it's back in the
Speaker 3: news now. At least eight other craw to have disappeared
Speaker 3: since that disaster. In many cases we're pretty sure bad
Speaker 3: weather or mechanical failure led to you know, led to
Speaker 3: the issue, but some have also disappeared. A lot of
Speaker 3: these craft or smaller private planes. Like we said at
Speaker 3: the top, small size makes them easy to miss, especially
Speaker 3: over a remote area where those kind of planes are
Speaker 3: a common method of travel. And I guess the thing is,
Speaker 3: the reason I think we want to continue these explorations
Speaker 3: is because until the facts surrounding these disappearances get confirmed,
Speaker 3: the world is still going to wonder, rightly, is there
Speaker 3: something they don't want you to know? And shout out
Speaker 3: to everybody listening to this on a plane right now?
Speaker 3: Safe travels? Oh yeah, for sure. And I thought about that.
Speaker 3: Do you ever, do you guys ever save up podcasts
Speaker 3: and you listen to them when you're on a long
Speaker 3: flight or something. I usually just watched the movies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just try to. I find movies are a good
Speaker 3: way to gauge time. I watched some really hilariously bad
Speaker 3: movies on this trip. Madam Webb, guys, it is oh boy,
Speaker 3: it's a good No, that's what the lead actors said said.
Speaker 3: They said it was bad, but it was I found
Speaker 3: it delightfully bad. It was fun.
Speaker 4: Also, the Ferrari movie was not very good.
Speaker 2: It has a run Tomatoes rating of eleven yes.
Speaker 3: And earned earned every percentage point. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I'm again. I'm waiting for the AI movie Mashups. I
Speaker 3: want to see Ferrari Web, which is the same characters
Speaker 3: from Madam Webb. I love it in a car show
Speaker 3: and also, most importantly, folks, uh you know, jokes aside,
Speaker 3: Please stay safe out there. We want to hear from you,
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