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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben where joyed as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul, mission control decand most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here? That makes this the stuff they don't want.

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Speaker 2: You to know.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking we begin tonight's episode and update on

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Speaker 3: disappearing planes with a lovely piece of correspondence we received

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Speaker 3: from Fatigued and Flying Weirdly enough. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: say it's in defensive Boeing, but I think it's a

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Speaker 3: good entry point for us Fatigue to fly and says,

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Speaker 3: how do you all? I am Fatigued and flying here.

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Speaker 3: I'm way behind, unfortunately, but catching up. I want to

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Speaker 3: make sure something's clear here. Do not conflate airline maintenance

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Speaker 3: issues with Boeing failures. The real stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know is there's been an uptick in airline

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Speaker 3: maintenance issues to the point I'm getting stories from captains

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Speaker 3: regarding flagrant disregard of maintenance at a certain airline. Yet

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Speaker 3: the airlines can publicly turn around and blame Boeing things

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Speaker 3: like a wheel falling off. That's a maintenance issue, not

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Speaker 3: a Boeing issue. I would not be surprised to see

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Speaker 3: an FAA investigation by the end of the year. Keep

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Speaker 3: the dirty side down. Fatigued to fly? I don't know

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Speaker 3: that expression, but I think I like it.

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Speaker 4: I mean that makes sense.

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Speaker 5: These planes go through so much wear and tear, and

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Speaker 5: they're not like guaranteed to be impenetrable. You know, you

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Speaker 5: have to change the oil on your car, and that's

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Speaker 5: not the responsibility of your car's manufacturer, is it. You know,

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Speaker 5: got to get new tires, rotate your tires and all

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Speaker 5: of that. It makes sense that would be kind of

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Speaker 5: an easy scapegoat, you know, again, not in defensive blowing.

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Speaker 5: They've definitely made some serious oopsis. But I can't see

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Speaker 5: how some of these mistakes could be kind of like

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Speaker 5: to a maintenance fum.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's one of the one reason

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Speaker 3: and wrote back to fatigue to flying, and one reason

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Speaker 3: I thought that was such an important point is because

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Speaker 3: the news seems to be ignoring it a little bit,

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Speaker 3: especially when headlines go viral. And right now, if you

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Speaker 3: look around the media landscape for the past few years,

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Speaker 3: it seems like planes are constantly encountering accidents and disaster.

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Speaker 3: It reminds me. I don't know if we ever talked

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Speaker 3: about this on air, but do you guys have a

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Speaker 3: scariest flight you've ever taken that you remember thinking this

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Speaker 4: Just a little you know, extra rough air?

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Speaker 5: Isn't it funny? I was thinking, I was thinking about

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Speaker 5: this recently. They used to call it turbulence. Now they

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Speaker 5: call it rough air, which seems like a total kind

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Speaker 5: of like sugarcoating of turbulence, you know, like an airplane speak, right,

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Speaker 5: it's a little bit more palatable rough air versus turbulence.

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Speaker 2: The turbulence in itself was already a term that kind

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Speaker 2: of didn't mean anything except for what it meant, and

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Speaker 2: it I know, just hey, we're going to experience a

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Speaker 2: little turbulence everyone, and really the plane is going to

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Speaker 2: It's going to be terrifying.

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Speaker 4: But am I wrong?

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Speaker 5: And that they've kind of ceased to use that term

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Speaker 5: and they've replaced it with rough air. I swear I

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Speaker 3: I still hear turbulence, And it may be it may

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Speaker 3: like an airline preference mandate, So it might depend on

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Speaker 3: the airline you go to and the nature of your pilot.

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Speaker 3: The scariest flight I ever, the scariest flights I have

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Speaker 3: the trickiest ones have inevitably been on really small planes,

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Speaker 3: that's when the turbulce lengths of the rough air can

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Speaker 3: And just to clear it up real quick, turbulence and

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Speaker 3: been able to identify certain trends in the world of

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Speaker 3: conspiracy and conspiratorial thought, and today's episode examines this trend

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Speaker 3: that has only appeared to grow over the past few years,

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Speaker 3: the idea of something something scary in the skies, particularly

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Speaker 3: disappearing planes. Here are the facts.

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Speaker 5: Well, given that you know, aviation powered flight in the

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Speaker 5: timeline of humanity is a relatively recent development, it could

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Speaker 5: how many planes exist, whether in the air or just

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Speaker 5: in general. You know, I'm sure there are ways of

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Speaker 5: you know, of course, there are ways of tracking flights

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Speaker 5: I'm sure that's not something that without some serious digging,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough because you can look at the you

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Speaker 3: can look at the manufacturing numbers of the big boys

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Speaker 3: But so many individual planes have been built over the

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Speaker 3: past century. Like you said, many are retired or they've

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Speaker 3: a pretty good move back into one seventeen found some

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Speaker 3: pretty solid estimates that claimed at that time in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 3: there were an estimated thirty nine thousand planes on the planet,

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Speaker 3: which honestly didn't seem like that many to me. You know,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's not counting helicopters. Are we count you know,

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Speaker 3: people don't own a plane, right, And just to backcheck

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Speaker 3: on what I said ever so slightly, there are flight

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Speaker 3: typically between seven seven hundred and eighty two and eighty

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Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty five commercial planes are in the

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Speaker 3: into account the retired ones, the ones that have been grounded, dismantled.

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Speaker 3: All of that good stuff yeah, and to that point.

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Speaker 3: one of my favorite favorite stockery websites for the Friendly Skies,

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Speaker 3: a very exciting way to lose a couple of hours.

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Speaker 3: Since Elon Musk and Taylor Swift don't want you to

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Speaker 3: know right right, just so private plane enthusiast in general,

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Speaker 3: so Boeing in twenty seventeen. Same year, Boeing said, look,

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Speaker 3: civilization overall is going to need another almost forty thousand

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Speaker 3: number of aircraft would be something like sixty three thousand,

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Speaker 3: two hundred something in twenty thirty seven. Of course, those

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Speaker 3: walloped pretty much well the majority of industries on the planet.

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Speaker 3: Air travel, there's no exception. Did you guys ever travel

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Speaker 3: not not not during the lockdown. No it was not fun.

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Speaker 3: I bet it was easy to get on the plane,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you had your right paperwork, but all

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Speaker 3: That was like the last person. Wasn't there a period though,

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Speaker 3: just to keep the businesses going. Also, no country geopolitically

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Speaker 3: cool thing is there was this huge rebound in twenty

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Speaker 3: which is a pretty astonishing number. That's one hundred and

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Speaker 5: Is that just a product of people finally becoming fully comfortable.

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Speaker 5: Has there still been sort of some gun shyness surrounding

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe people well some people probably had money that

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Speaker 3: But have you guys met an air traffic controller. They're

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Speaker 3: There wasn't anything alarming, but it was some kind of

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Speaker 3: The skies are getting crowded if you go.

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Speaker 2: To well, I see the high stakes are I mean exactly,

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Speaker 2: if you mess up just a little bit. Uh, you

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Speaker 2: could kill hundreds of people.

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Speaker 3: Right, and we can always re record on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Exactly true.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting though, how like it takes a lot to

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that, so they weren't. They weren't acting

433
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: in bad faith. I think they, like most people, were

434
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: just personally hoping to contribute to closure in this situation.

435
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not suggesting they were outreating bad faith necessarily.

436
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: I just think being willing to take that deal.

437
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 5: You know, it seems like the benefit to them would

438
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 5: be to have their names in the headlines and to

439
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 5: kind of like, you know, make a name for a

440
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 5: relatively newly established a company, you know, have a big success.

441
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: To my understanding, that forty six thousand square miles you're

442
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: mentioning there've been that was previously searched, right, Ocean Infinity said, Okay,

443
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: we've got this drift study. So if there was debris

444
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: anywhere in that huge sector of the ocean that was

445
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: already searched, if it did drift, it probably went north

446
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: in this direction. So they said, we're going to search

447
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: that area, and that's going to be our plan, right,

448
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: But since that failed, I don't know, I guess I'm

449
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: really interested to hear what these updates are, because man,

450
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: it feels like, if that amount of ocean has already

451
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: been searched, where the heck else could it be?

452
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly where else could it be? And the the

453
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: issue too, is that already we see speculation thriving right

454
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: on things like where the location of the craft could

455
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: end up right, and a lot of oceanography has to

456
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: be involved when we're thinking through the passage, the post

457
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: accident passage of said a lot of folks were saying

458
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: in the beginning, maybe a crash in the ocean after

459
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: running out of fuel, which is terrible because the Indian

460
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: Ocean is a pretty dangerous place to crash. And the

461
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 3: thing is, the pieces started washing up to the shore

462
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: over time. Twenty pieces that were believed twenty pieces of debris,

463
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: just chunks of stuff that we're believed to be from

464
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: the plane were located around the coast of the African

465
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: mainland and then a bunch of small remote islands in

466
00:27:52,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: the Indian Ocean, which is I believe Madagascar, Mauritius, and Rodriguez. Yeah,

467
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: Reunion is probably one of the best examples. In twenty fifteen,

468
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: just a little while after the crash, people found a

469
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: large object something that I was not familiar with apologies

470
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: aviation experts, a flapperon, which is kind of a silly name,

471
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: but a flapperon is the it's a thing on the wing.

472
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 3: They found a flapper a flappy doo from the wing.

473
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: It definitely came from a Boeing seventy seven, and given

474
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 3: the timeline, that means it was almost certainly three seven.

475
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: Is that what they is that the flaps they're talking about.

476
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: Okay, this is just.

477
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: The long name that they short knit to flaps, full flaps.

478
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 5: That's how you you know, grade your angle, you know,

479
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 5: and move, you know, your trajectory of a fight.

480
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: Because flapperon sounds silly. It's a silly thing for a

481
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: pilot to say, like we're adjusting the flapperons. Flapparon sounds

482
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: like an insult from Don Quixote. It really does, like

483
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: you'd slap somebody with a glove, you know.

484
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what it says here on the Wall

485
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: Street Journal that flaperons helped stabilize planes during low speed flying,

486
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: during takeoff and landing.

487
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: And they're a portmanteau of flap and aliron.

488
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: Are they are true? What what's the second word?

489
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: A luron?

490
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: Well, that would we have a whole other word we

491
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: have to explore. I don't know that one either.

492
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: So it's astonishing. I think the just how far these

493
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: individual pieces of what appears to be a single plane

494
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: of washed, you know, to the earlier point about drifting currents.

495
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: That's frightening.

496
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 5: I guess my question though, and I know that we're

497
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 5: going to get to some of this is like would

498
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: this have been some sort of catastrophic failure like a

499
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 5: mid air explosion that would have tossed debris but not

500
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 5: but only some of it? Like why would there have

501
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: only been like parts if it all went down in

502
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 5: one peace well from the impact the ocean impact, you know.

503
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 5: But I mean, if it runs out of fuel, couldn't

504
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 5: they coast and do like an emergency water landing without

505
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: having some sort of insane impact that would have caused

506
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 5: you know, some sort of catastrophic you know, destruction.

507
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: It goes into a lot of the different theories, right.

508
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna we're gonna you jump into all

509
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: that stuff because there are reasons, plausible reasons for a

510
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: plane to just continue flying in some direction until it

511
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: runs out of fuel and then impact the ocean.

512
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: Autopilot is a hell of a drug. Yeah, this is true.

513
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: After more than four years of searching and investigating this stuff,

514
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: there was an official report released. It was a novel.

515
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: It was four hundred and ninety five pages in twenty eighteen,

516
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: and people were very unhappy with it because despite five

517
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: hundred or so pages of research. There were no conclusive

518
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: answers about what happened, and that's horrifying if you know

519
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: one of your loved ones was on the plane. No

520
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: one knows why it went off course, no one knows

521
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: exactly where it is today. It's one of the greatest

522
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: aviation mysteries of all time. So there's no surprise people

523
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: have cooked up all sorts of strange theories about the disaster.

524
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 3: Some are distressingly plausible, others are downright bizarre, to the

525
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: point that people involved have felt even bringing them up

526
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: is disrespectful. Should we start with the most plausible ones?

527
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: I think so? Running out of fuel?

528
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess that was That was one

529
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 5: of my questions was if you did run out of fuel,

530
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 5: you would be forced to make an emergency landing. And see,

531
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 5: it's part of the whole spiel that you hear, you know,

532
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: and the event of a water landing and all of

533
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 5: that stuff. You know, you inflate, you're like vest before

534
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 5: you helped, you know, the young person that you're with

535
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: or whatever. So this is definitely a scenario that we've

536
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 5: all mentally been prepared for in the most kind of

537
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 5: cute sea of a video presentation to make Gato actually

538
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: worry about it. But we are required by law to

539
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 5: express this eventuality.

540
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you like some of us in the

541
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: crowd today, if you're one of those people who loves

542
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: sitting in an exit row because you like the idea

543
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: of being heroic, you might be surprised to know those

544
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: inflatable water slides things. Yeah. I don't think they're really used,

545
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: you know, very often, but it.

546
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: Is a possibility, right, you can make a water landing.

547
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: You can't. People have, people have.

548
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna go the way. Maybe it's you

549
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: think it is in your head. If you're just a

550
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: passenger and you look at the the fun images that

551
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: you see, or you watch the video of the Delta Maa,

552
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's a little different. Well, I've never been

553
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 2: in that situation. Have you guys ever been in an

554
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: emergency plane situation? I've never emergency?

555
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: Yes, water slide no, No.

556
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: But there are of course crafts that are designed to

557
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: land on water that have those little bumper thingies you know, yeah,

558
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 5: puddle jumpers. They're literally designed too. They have these inflate

559
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 5: not inflatables, but like floatation things. That are kind of

560
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 5: built in, and that's perfectly normal, it's part of protocol.

561
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 5: But a giant jumbo jet, you know, literally flying under

562
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 5: just nothing but its own weight, you know, with no

563
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: engines and no ability to hit a runway correctly with

564
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: the wheels. I mean, that would be a massive impact,

565
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 5: wouldn't it. It's not as rosy as as the video

566
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 5: presentations at all.

567
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: Two things First, particularly with what you're bringing up about

568
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: the delta, the instructions that play on a plane or

569
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: that are acted out in smaller planes. One thing that

570
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: always astonishes me about those is, okay, first off, flight

571
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: attendants are there for safety and they bust their humps.

572
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: They're very unappreciated. And one of the strangest, most impressive

573
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: things is how they learned to stay smiling no matter

574
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: what they're saying. You know what I mean. It's like

575
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: no smoking and I don't know how like it's a

576
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: it's a specific type of smile. You are taught in

577
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: those in that profession. But the second thing is I

578
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: was trying to remember the name of this what's the

579
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: what's the pop culture term for when people just act

580
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: like idiots and an airplane I swear to God, there's one,

581
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, when people start freaking out, makes it like

582
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: sort of like affluenza airplane bad behavior. Yeah, yeah, I

583
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: but there is I feel like there is a term.

584
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 5: If there's not there, damn well should be because it

585
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 5: certainly is a thing.

586
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 3: But also flight fury.

587
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: There you go, Ben, that makes absolute sense. And I

588
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: was just on a ten hour flight.

589
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: And the only way to get through those, if you're

590
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 5: not lucky enough to have some sort of sedative is

591
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 5: like they dim the lights, they make it as placid

592
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: as possible, they make it as mellow as bottle, because

593
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 5: let's face it, guys, we're in a giant metal tube

594
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: careening through the air with nothing but like science to

595
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 5: colding us up there. And not to say the science

596
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: isn't a very important, powerful force, but it requires a

597
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 5: little suspension of disbelief to not be terrified, you know,

598
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 5: of being in that situation, especially for ten hours over

599
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 5: the ocean, open ocean.

600
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: But guys, can we I want to bring something up

601
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: which is one of the more terrifying things that I

602
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: can imagine happening on a plane, and it has to

603
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: do with the fact that the main problem occurred thirty

604
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: eight minutes after takeoff with MH three seventy, which some

605
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: experts believed pointed to depressurization of the cabin early on

606
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: as it reached altitude. So as it got up, there

607
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: was something wrong in the plane to where it didn't

608
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: pressurize correctly, oxygen wasn't flowing correctly for both passengers and

609
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: people in the cockpit, and it caused everybody on the

610
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: plane to basically lose consciousness. They before they could the

611
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: masks changed, well, yeah, before they could change things or

612
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: repressurize the cabin or get back down to a lower altitude.

613
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: Right after they also after they had spoken with ATC

614
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: with air Traffic Control and things looked like they were

615
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: on the literal up and up. It's also I don't

616
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: want to lose flight fury. I think I'm onto something

617
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: with that that was not already a term.

618
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 5: But ben, isn't that depressurized situation when the masks drop,

619
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 5: doesn't it detect to change in cabin?

620
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: Probably?

621
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm just regurgitating all the stuff I've learned from

622
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 5: the in flight video.

623
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 4: But maybe once again, that's not enough.

624
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not necessarily right. It depends on I mean,

625
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: are those sensors working. That's one of the first questions, right,

626
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: how what is the rate of depressurization? You know, does

627
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: it feel like also thirty eight minutes in, we don't

628
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: know if that had already done the thing where you

629
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: did in the lights, right, and you start maybe people

630
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: start falling asleep, and you think they're just settling in

631
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: for the flight.

632
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 5: Well, to quote Tyler Dirdin from Fight Club, oxygen gets

633
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 5: you high, makes you docile, you accept your fate.

634
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: Like again, you have to wonder.

635
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 5: Is this something that's actually designed to save you or

636
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: is it something that's just designed to take the sting

637
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 5: out of your ultimate demise or just make you kind

638
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 5: of like you know this fase.

639
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: Well, the thought is it would keep you alive until

640
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: the pilots could get the plane back to a place

641
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: where it needed to be.

642
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: Right, I'm being a doommonger.

643
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: I apologize.

644
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's doom mongering. I think of that

645
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: every time, you know, I see those old school drills

646
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: where it's like, in case of a nuclear attack, get

647
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: under your desk, right, or what's the old joke about

648
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: the crash position thesis teach you on planes put your

649
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Speaker 3: head between your legs. So you can kiss your askoby.

650
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Speaker 3: I mean like it's still it is better than nothing.

651
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Speaker 3: The idea depressurization attorney creating a zombie flight is unfortunately plausible.

652
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Speaker 3: Autopilot could keep going for some time, you know, most

653
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: modern I'd say the majority of modern commercial airliners do

654
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Speaker 3: use autopilot.

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Speaker 5: But surely the pilots wouldn't depend on some sort of

656
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Speaker 5: autosystem deploying. They would probably have free you know, freestanding

657
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Speaker 5: oxygen masks they could put their hands on and then

658
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Speaker 5: they know what was going on they put that thing on,

659
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Speaker 5: you know. I think that the pilots would have more

660
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Speaker 5: specific equipment to deal with something like that, and then

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't necessarily be in the exact same boat as

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Speaker 5: the passengers. Some got a cockpit redundancy, I would think,

663
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Speaker 5: so like like a literal mask, they could just then

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Speaker 5: they have right there in the cockpit. They don't have

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Speaker 5: to wait for someone to deploy.

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Speaker 3: You know. Another I don't know, I'm just done wondering.

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Speaker 3: Another Another theory they think captured people's minds for quite

668
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Speaker 3: some time was the idea of a quote unquote rogue

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Speaker 3: pilot that someone had a that someone was having personal

670
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Speaker 3: issues that may have led to them for one reason

671
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: or another, deliberately trying to crash the plane, which would

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Speaker 3: have made it a criminal act. Well, yeah, remember that

673
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Speaker 3: pilot that took mushrooms five days prior to his flight

674
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Speaker 3: and then totally lost his mind, you know on the

675
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Speaker 3: flight that remember that story on that plane. Now, I'm sorry,

676
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: that's right, but what Okay? But he was able because

677
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Speaker 3: he's a pilot. He was able to get there. Yeah,

678
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: he was able to so havoc. And so the pilot

679
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Speaker 3: that's accused of being a rogue actor Zahari Ahmad Shah.

680
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Speaker 3: The idea here is that still like you were saying, Matt,

681
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Speaker 3: depressurization occurred, but that he purposely depressurized the plane, causing

682
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Speaker 3: that hypoxia, and then lowered the plane to three thousand

683
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Speaker 3: feet And probably the more cinematic, very much unproven theory

684
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: that people were floating around was that when he lowered

685
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Speaker 3: the plane to three thousand feet altitude, he parachuted out

686
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Speaker 3: to meet his mistress in a boat a dinghy. I

687
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Speaker 3: don't buy it. I don't know that is real specific, y'all.

688
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: It seems like they're better ways to make a splash. Sorry,

689
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Speaker 3: no pun intended than that. I can't imagine what a

690
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Speaker 3: I mean, Yeah, I don't know. That seems very elaborate. Well,

691
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Speaker 3: then what if the plane was hijacked? As a matter

692
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Speaker 3: of fact, why don't we take a pause for a

693
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Speaker 3: word from our sponsors, because now I think that's the

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Speaker 3: line of getting into the crazier theory. That's right, and

695
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: we've returned, all right. So we have to be careful

696
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Speaker 3: with the term expert when it's thrown around in the news,

697
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Speaker 3: because people can be experts of one thing and it

698
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Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily make them experts on another thing. You know,

699
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Speaker 3: you could say I am an expert on physics, but

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Speaker 3: that does not make you an expert on vulcanology, whether

701
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: that's the study of magma or the study of vulcans

702
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: in Star Trek. I think, no, you know what, We're

703
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Speaker 3: going to keep it in. But just to be fair,

704
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Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot of overlap between STEM

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Speaker 3: experts and Star Trek fans. I feel like those two

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Speaker 3: worlds go together.

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Speaker 2: What are STEM experts science.

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Speaker 3: Technology, engineering, mathematics experts?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: Tell us if we're wrong, tell us if you're if

711
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: you are if you're a hard science professor. You just

712
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Speaker 3: hate star Trek and don't get it. But look, the

713
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Speaker 3: reason I'm saying the thing about the experts is that

714
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Speaker 3: aviation experts have claimed that Russia specifically had the means

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Speaker 3: and the motive to hijack Malaysia Flight or Malaysia Air

716
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Speaker 3: three seventy, and that we only think of it as

717
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Speaker 3: a crash because things went wrong.

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Speaker 4: But to what end?

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Speaker 5: I guess typically, like, if there's a hijacking, it's usually

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Speaker 5: almost like a hostage taking situation, and you usually have

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Speaker 5: demands and there's some kind of communication that takes place.

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Speaker 5: Are you saying that that stuff might have been covered

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Speaker 5: up or I guess yeah, I'm intrigued.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the possible methods are interesting because Russia does have

725
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Speaker 3: a lot of aerospace sophistication, right, They're very good at it.

726
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Speaker 3: But it breaks down when this guy is talking about

727
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Speaker 3: the motive, the aviation expert in particular, we're talking about

728
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Speaker 3: guy named Jeff Wise, and so Jeff Wise says Russia's

729
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: motive for hijacking or attacking three seventy was to quote

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Speaker 3: distract from the annexation of Crimea or to respond to

731
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Speaker 3: sanctions imposed by the us. I don't know. That seems

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Speaker 3: kind of like a roundabout. I feel like that just

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Speaker 3: a cost benefit calculation. If you tried to blow up

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Speaker 3: a plane or hijack a plane for that reason to

735
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Speaker 3: distract from CRIMEA, you would just be further in the

736
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Speaker 3: news as a super villain. Right for me, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: hold up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember there was a lot of scuttle but

739
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: at the time about the passengers on the plane who

740
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Speaker 2: were I know there was like an IBM former executive

741
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Speaker 2: or actually an actual executive from IBM, and a couple

742
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Speaker 2: other people who are pretty high up in the tech

743
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Speaker 2: world as well as there were rumors about certain objects

744
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: that were on the plane that were basically prototypes technology.

745
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 2: But again, a lot of that stuff I didn't see

746
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Speaker 2: fully substantiated. I don't know if you guys found anything

747
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Speaker 2: about that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate the use of the word scuttle, but

749
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: because that's a lot of what it is, and these

750
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Speaker 3: things seemed either somewhat misrepresented, some of the tales about

751
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Speaker 3: the passengers because again it's two hundred and thirty nine

752
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Speaker 3: passengers and crew, So if you are connecting conspiratorial dots,

753
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Speaker 3: it would be very easy and dangerously tempting to find

754
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: one of those connections, you know what I mean, or you

755
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Speaker 3: can find something that seems like a connection.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot made about this company called

757
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Speaker 2: free Scale that makes microchips and they do a lot

758
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Speaker 2: of defense industry work, which I think, at least in

759
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: my mind, was the unspoken connection that was made there

760
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: when officials were thinking about Russia, you know, as a

761
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Speaker 2: possible culprit for some reason or another takeout the microchips

762
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Speaker 2: meant for some defense purposes for other countries mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: And then going to the idea of secret cargo, right,

764
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: four tons of top secret stuff. These stories begin departing

765
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Speaker 3: the realm of fact and entering the land of folklore.

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Speaker 3: And maybe this is where we talk about the probably

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Speaker 3: the most far out there. We weren't sure if we're

768
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: gonna mention it on air today, but the Stargate theory. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's certainly I'm so sci fi pilled. I

770
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: guess that my mind immediately goes to like the plots

771
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Speaker 3: of TV series like Lost, you know, or like an

772
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: airplane disappears and goes to another dimension or something like that,

773
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: or as abducted in.

774
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Speaker 4: Some way or slips through a portal of time space.

775
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Speaker 2: Right, there's a video you can find. It was posted.

776
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: I saw it on Reddit. I'm sure you guys did too.

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00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: It appears to show a plane, a passenger jet, up

778
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: in the sky, photographed by some kind of either infrared

779
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: or other you know, photography methods. It appears to be

780
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Speaker 2: encircled I think is the word you might use by

781
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: three let's say, uap or dots or other objects. Those

782
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: dots seemed to accelerate in their movement around the plane

783
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: until the plane and the dots disappear. And there's absolutely

784
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Speaker 2: no information concretely linking this video to Malaysia Airlines three seventy.

785
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: It is.

786
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Speaker 2: There are statements that are made, and it's been reposted

787
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: a ton of a lot of speculation from you know,

788
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: a secondary or tertiary poster and just goes down the

789
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Speaker 2: line as interesting and cool as it was, like, Oh

790
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Speaker 2: my gosh, maybe that's what happened. That's why they couldn't

791
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: find it. It disappeared because it was teleported. It does appear

792
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: to have been pretty fully debunked by France twenty four.

793
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and that's kind of the That is the

794
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 3: typical course that those sorts of claims will take because

795
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: they happened pretty often in the world of aviation, but

796
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: also in the world of maritime disaster, right because again,

797
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: people want an explanation for these things. None of these

798
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: theories have been conclusively proven, even the most plausible ones.

799
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 3: At this point, we know the plane was there, Things

800
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: started getting wonky, and then pieces of what very much

801
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: appears to be the plane washed ashore around the world,

802
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: around the Indian Ocean. And we go to the head

803
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 3: of the safety investigation team from Malaysia, Kuksu Chon, who

804
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: said all the available evidence and there wasn't much of it,

805
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: irresistibly pointed in their opinion to unlawful interference, which many

806
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 3: took to be a sign or a signal dog whistle

807
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: that the plane was hijacked. But there was still no

808
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: outside of accusations from a few people, there's still no

809
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: evidence of who might have interfered and why they chose

810
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: to do so. Luckily, we do have an update. Malaysian

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Speaker 3: officials recently said in a statement just a few days

812
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: back that the government is ready to launch a new

813
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 3: search operation. Ocean Infinity came back to them years later

814
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: and said, look, we want to we want to do

815
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: this again. We've got lessons learned, we have better technology,

816
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: better techniques. And then alongside that there are people who

817
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 3: there are people like the British tech expert Ian Wilson

818
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: who just last year said I found the plane in

819
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Speaker 3: a jungle in Cambodia. And the weird thing is that

820
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: with that is, if the wreckage is in Cambodia, how

821
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 3: did all this other stuff wash up from the Indian Ocean?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? They're kind of contradictory.

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Speaker 2: Do we have any other information on that.

824
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Speaker 3: On the idea of the Cambodia theory.

825
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: It's just like somebody literally saw it on Google Maps

826
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Speaker 2: and then didn't send a team out to investigate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, saw it on Google Maps.

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Speaker 2: And if you go to, oh my gosh, I'm looking

829
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Speaker 2: at the picture right now.

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00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ambitious and optimistic to call it that plane

831
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Speaker 3: crash in particular. You can read more about that in

832
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Speaker 3: any number of any number of outfits. Even a lot

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00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: of British tabloids covered it for a while, like US tabloids.

834
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Speaker 3: But again there's just no proof. And here's the thing,

835
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Speaker 3: this is part of this is part of our setup.

836
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Speaker 3: This will we will probably end up making this a

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Speaker 3: multi episode series going forward, because although MG three seventy

838
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: was in the news so often, it's back in the

839
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Speaker 3: news now. At least eight other craw to have disappeared

840
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Speaker 3: since that disaster. In many cases we're pretty sure bad

841
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: weather or mechanical failure led to you know, led to

842
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: the issue, but some have also disappeared. A lot of

843
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: these craft or smaller private planes. Like we said at

844
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Speaker 3: the top, small size makes them easy to miss, especially

845
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Speaker 3: over a remote area where those kind of planes are

846
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Speaker 3: a common method of travel. And I guess the thing is,

847
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 3: the reason I think we want to continue these explorations

848
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: is because until the facts surrounding these disappearances get confirmed,

849
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: the world is still going to wonder, rightly, is there

850
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: something they don't want you to know? And shout out

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Speaker 3: to everybody listening to this on a plane right now?

852
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: Safe travels? Oh yeah, for sure. And I thought about that.

853
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: Do you ever, do you guys ever save up podcasts

854
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: and you listen to them when you're on a long

855
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 3: flight or something. I usually just watched the movies. Yeah,

856
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: I just try to. I find movies are a good

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Speaker 3: way to gauge time. I watched some really hilariously bad

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Speaker 3: movies on this trip. Madam Webb, guys, it is oh boy,

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Speaker 3: it's a good No, that's what the lead actors said said.

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00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: They said it was bad, but it was I found

861
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Speaker 3: it delightfully bad. It was fun.

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00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 4: Also, the Ferrari movie was not very good.

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Speaker 2: It has a run Tomatoes rating of eleven yes.

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