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Speaker 2: Here's this week's episode, Welcome In. Welcome In David Kitchen

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Speaker 2: alongside CEO JJ exactly reeson.

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Speaker 1: You went back to it. Huh, Yeah, I felt like

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Speaker 1: it was just for at the moment. Yeah, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean it's going. We got a lot of

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Football World. We got some news and notes we

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Speaker 2: got to talk about. Uh so, you know, we we've

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Speaker 2: got the schedule release happening tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: But we've had some leakages and so that's how we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, leakages. So we've got some leakages as far as

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Speaker 2: the the schedule goes international games. It's one interesting note.

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Speaker 2: I think we can kind of take away from a

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Speaker 1: I don't have any football trophy in the background. Ever

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Speaker 1: But you can see I have back here kitchen two

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Speaker 2: Yes, And to that point, JJ, next week we will

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Speaker 2: So excited for that show on Tuesday. Excited to get

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Speaker 2: do this in today's news, Today's Fantasy news. All right,

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Speaker 2: we got the schedule leaking. Are you like every year

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Speaker 2: they do it differently? You know, I talked about it

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Speaker 1: No, genuinely, I don't care at all. But the team

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Speaker 2: There are some storylines out there. It'll be I've.

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Speaker 3: My goodness, I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that

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Speaker 3: today's data is related to something I mean technically, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: This season here. Okay, So like I don't disagree for sure,

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Speaker 1: Do do schedule makers in the league talk to teams

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Speaker 2: Okay, JJ JJ's a Viking, as in Juan Jennings is Viking.

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Speaker 1: JJ Juwan Jennings as a Viking. I think Juwan Jennings

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is good for the Vikings

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Speaker 1: get more, you know, eleven personnel, et cetera, it's harder

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Speaker 1: to compete with other wide receivers because they're better target

432
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Speaker 1: getters in general. And that's why JSN last year, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: was able to get the target. Part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why he was able to do what he did because

435
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Speaker 1: because you know, if you get heavier personnel and you

436
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Speaker 1: have weaker competition, then all of a sudden, that target

437
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Speaker 1: share can spike. So that's what interests me in Lab

438
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: McConkie is I think McConkie can play inside out, and

439
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Speaker 1: I think that he is the best wide receiver on

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Speaker 1: that Chargers team. And I think you should still be

441
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Speaker 1: throwing darts at Quentin Johnston and even Trey Harrison like

442
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Speaker 1: the final rounds if you want to, because again, there's

443
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Speaker 1: an environment that we should want to invest in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's that's the scary thing, is that

445
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 2: that environment there are so many options that, like you

446
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Speaker 2: talk about running back. Of course they have a Marion Hampton,

447
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Speaker 2: but they also have Keaton Mitchell. Now with Kamani about

448
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Speaker 2: l yeah, but I think they got two tight ends.

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Speaker 1: There's a very real like I'm I'm, I do think

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Speaker 1: that like Chase Brown should go ahead of a Mari

451
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Speaker 1: and Hampton in drafts like pretty comfortably, and he doesn't.

452
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Speaker 1: All the time. It's changing a little bit, we're seeing

453
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Speaker 1: it happen more. But like I do think Hampton is

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Speaker 1: you know, I have clicked his name plenty, he falls

455
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Speaker 1: in the third round plenty and I still and I'll

456
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Speaker 1: get him there a lot, but because I think the

457
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Speaker 1: upside's crazy. But you know, it's one of those things

458
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Speaker 1: where like like I'm probably gonna be like neutral on

459
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Speaker 1: Hampton this year probably you know, right now in May.

460
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Speaker 1: That's all I'm viewing it. But like Keith Mitchell, yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably have him as a dart throw or

462
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Speaker 1: Ronda Gadson. I'll probably still have him as a dart

463
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Speaker 1: throw if his ADP does fall to a place where

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Speaker 1: it's in that dart throw territory, because I do think

465
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Speaker 1: there's more upside with that kind of profile, that pass

466
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Speaker 1: catching profile, because I mean, he's younger, he's he's showed

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Speaker 1: off his rookie season, that he's agile, that he's got

468
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Speaker 1: past catching chops. He did that throughout college too, Like

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Speaker 1: he's a he was a good prospect. I know that

470
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Speaker 1: he fell in the draft, but he was a good prospect.

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Speaker 1: And it came together last year at least for a stretch.

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Speaker 1: And now that they have a better offensive line hypothetically

473
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Speaker 1: with these guys coming back, then all of a sudden,

474
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Speaker 1: that can open things up for one of those types

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Speaker 1: of tight ends to move out a little bit more,

476
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Speaker 1: to not just be in line blocking all the time.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's a really solid move for the Chargers,

478
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Speaker 1: like a good football move. I don't think it just

479
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: means that Aronda Gaston's toast. I think that Gaston can

480
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: still be a viable tight end in this offense, because yes,

481
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of mouths defeat if you will. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't think that the Chargers

483
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Speaker 1: talent wise are like out of control at like pass

484
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Speaker 1: catcher like I like David and Joku is fine. Quentin Johnston,

485
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Speaker 1: we don't even know still after like three years. Trey Harris,

486
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Speaker 1: he was terrible last year from an from an analytical perspective,

487
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Speaker 1: like he didn't he didn't put up the numbers that

488
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Speaker 1: we would want a play. I thought he looked better

489
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Speaker 1: down the stretch, but he didn't put up the numbers

490
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Speaker 1: that we would want him to put up as a rookie.

491
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Speaker 1: So like there's a lot of question marks there, which

492
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Speaker 1: is why I'm gravitating towards Lad because we know with Lad.

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Speaker 1: And then it's why I think that we should still

494
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Speaker 1: be throwing darts at these guys, because the prices aren't

495
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Speaker 1: substantially high for how good this offense might end up being.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe the answer is I just looked it

497
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Speaker 2: up on DK, but justin Herbert, is I have so

498
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Speaker 2: much justin Herbert, Well, he's plus one thousand for MVP

499
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Speaker 2: on DK, so that might just be away to Hedge

500
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Speaker 2: not knowing who is.

501
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Speaker 1: And you can go you in bastball, you can go

502
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Speaker 1: naked Herbert because you can still get QJ and Trey

503
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Speaker 1: Harris and Gadsdon, et cetera. Brennan Thompson, Yeah, Brennan Thompson,

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Speaker 1: if you want to, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, this is a little bit of more of some

506
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Speaker 2: investigative work that we might have to do. Kyle Williams

507
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Speaker 2: announced that he was switching to eight from eighteen. Now

508
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Speaker 2: that is not happening, guess who was number eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Stefan Diggs thing. Yeah right, that's

510
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Speaker 1: what that's what we're getting at. Yeah, yeah, maybe A J.

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Speaker 1: Brown wants to wear eight, who knows.

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Speaker 2: I thought about that, Like why would he switch for

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Speaker 2: elet I think there's some sort of reason why he

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Speaker 2: has eleven, like he was eleven.

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Speaker 1: There's some sort of like sentimental reason why he's eleven. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so I I think that they're like there

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Speaker 1: there's stronger rumors of Diggs going to Washington and because

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Speaker 1: he's from that area. Yeah, played at Maryland, right, and

519
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Speaker 1: so I I think and like, do I think Diggs

520
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: would fit there? Sure enough? I think that Digs should

521
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Speaker 1: be more slot moving forward than inside out. And Washington

522
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Speaker 1: already has Antonio Williams that they drafted and stuff, so

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Speaker 1: like they I mean, Washington realistically, if Brandon I you

524
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Speaker 1: had it together, he'd be really perfect for what Washington needs,

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Speaker 1: like they would be. I mean, if if we get

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Speaker 1: like Peak IUK in Washington, that would be insane, that'd

527
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Speaker 1: be all of a sudden, they'd have like a really

528
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Speaker 1: competent pass catching. Its just it's tough to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Like he left forty million on the table last year

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Speaker 1: just from not cunning. Yeah, I mean it's hard to

531
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Speaker 1: know what's going on with Brandon and Iyu, right, yeah

532
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Speaker 1: and so yeah, so like maybe there's something there with

533
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Speaker 1: stuff on Digs. I'm not gonna look too much into it.

534
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Speaker 1: Maybe Kindle would have just had to change of heart,

535
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's like, you know what, Diggs. Diggs

536
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Speaker 1: was my mentor. I can't do that to my mentor.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's.

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Speaker 2: All it was, all right, Bucky Irving not clear to

539
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Speaker 2: participate yet a little bit of warning alarm bills.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's the mixing thing from last year. But like

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Speaker 1: I feels like I'm more cautious now on these sort

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Speaker 1: of reports. Yeah. At the same time, I think that

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Speaker 1: I made a huge I made some big mistakes last year,

544
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Speaker 1: leaning into you know, uh camp injuries and you know,

545
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Speaker 1: stuff going on in July and August, like Stafford's you

546
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Speaker 1: know injury. I was so high on the rams path.

547
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Speaker 1: I had so much Puka, I had so much Stafford,

548
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: I had so much Davante in Best Ball from you know,

549
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Speaker 1: from May through like mid July, and then I backed

550
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Speaker 1: off a little bit. And I was so mad about

551
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: that because obviously that was one of the offenses that

552
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: that really crushed for us, and so like and then

553
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: like Devon a Chan, same exact deal, and then I

554
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: started getting into like Ali Gordon and stuff like that.

555
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: So like, I'm trying to not overreact to this kind

556
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Speaker 1: of thing. What I will say about Bucky in particular

557
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: is that we already had red flags that had to

558
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: do with football with him, where not him as a player,

559
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: but the situation where they Sean Tucker JN. Tucker I

560
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Speaker 1: think is one of the best twentieth round clicks in

561
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Speaker 1: the nineteenth round clicks on draftings right now. Kenneth Gainwell

562
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: I think is a really cable pass catcher. He showed

563
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Speaker 1: that last year. And Bucky Irving could be like an

564
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Speaker 1: in between the twenties kind of player, which is what

565
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: is fine for real football but terrible for fantasy football.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm worried about that. And then I'm also,

567
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Speaker 1: you know, admittedly like he seemed like the way it

568
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: was reported and what I had read about it, it

569
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Speaker 1: seemed like he had that injury last year and it

570
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Speaker 1: was a mental health thing to get back right where

571
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Speaker 1: he couldn't quite get there mentally to get on the

572
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Speaker 1: field and you know, perform the way that he wants

573
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Speaker 1: to perform. And that's that's always the untold story about

574
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: athlete injuries, right where they got to go through so

575
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: much to come back and then once you come back,

576
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Speaker 1: especially off like a major injury like an ACL or

577
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Speaker 1: not to say that this is what this is, but

578
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Speaker 1: you might not have the confidence that you had before,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that matters tremendously when you're going to

580
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: do anything. It's just your confidence and being able to

581
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Speaker 1: do that thing. And so with Bucky, I think we

582
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: have to keep that in the back of our mind too,

583
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: is that he went through an injury where it wasn't

584
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Speaker 1: easy on him. And I'm not saying that it should

585
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: have been easy on him, like you know, like everyone's

586
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna deal with that thing, that that kind of thing differently,

587
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: and we have to, but we have to be open

588
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: minded to that from like a fantasy perspective that that

589
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: it could go down that path as well. So not

590
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Speaker 1: a good thing for sure. I haven't really been aggressive

591
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: with Bucky so far. If you guys want like a

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Speaker 1: take you know, to take away here, have been super

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Speaker 1: aggressive with Bucky because I think there's like some more

594
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: interesting wide receivers in that range typically, But yeah, hopefully

595
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Speaker 1: he gets back on the field too, because I think

596
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Speaker 1: it's a really dynamic and fun player to watch. I

597
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Speaker 1: don't know if you saw.

598
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Speaker 2: They were interviewing Kevin Patullo, the who used to be

599
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Speaker 2: the Eagles Offen Sporting or now he's with the Dolphins,

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Speaker 2: and he's said he's excited for a chan once he's

601
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Speaker 2: healthy and ready to roll, and people are like, what

602
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: he's not healthy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right right? It didn't know?

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Speaker 2: So this is that that time of year, all right,

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Speaker 2: our good buddy and becoming a bestball bro. Host Rich

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Speaker 2: Ryan noted Jets fan hosted a picture in the the

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Speaker 2: chat Omar Cooper.

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Speaker 1: With the starters yesterday. Are you I mean, does that

609
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Speaker 1: do anything for you? No, I'm I think it's the expectation.

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Speaker 1: Arian Smith is terrible and and ad Ni Mitchell. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if ad Night Mitchell was in the in

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Speaker 1: the picture, but I still think there's a very real

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Speaker 1: chance that ad Ni Mitchell runs as their ex and

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Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson is their Z can play Why and then

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Speaker 1: Omar Cooper, you know, is definitely Why. And that's where

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Speaker 1: you know he's he's more of that slot player. And

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Speaker 1: but the problem with that is that Frank Reich really

618
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Speaker 1: likes heavier personnel, runs a lot of two tight end sets,

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Speaker 1: and that can push out a guy like Cooper if

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Speaker 1: they if they do view ad Ni Mitchell as that

621
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Speaker 1: ex player. We've seen this kind of thing happen in

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Speaker 1: the past, where like we're just assuming the rookie would

623
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Speaker 1: step in and kind of take that Like look at

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Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, the guy on this list, Kyle Williams last year,

625
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Speaker 1: where we're like, yeah, I mean, who else is going

626
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Speaker 1: to be there? They just have guys who have been

627
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Speaker 1: you know, Mac Hollins, by way, we'd be worried about, well,

628
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Speaker 1: Mac Collins playing a lot more X than Kyle Williams

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Speaker 1: did last year. And it's the same deal with ad

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Speaker 1: Ni Mitchell. With Omar Cooper, ad Ni Mitchell I thought

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Speaker 1: like flashed last year, like didn't look terrible. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting quotes from like opponents that he's

633
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: faced and like teams, like teammates and stuff saying that

634
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: he's got the tools, which you know, I think from

635
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Speaker 1: an athleticism standpoint, that's never been a question. It was

636
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Speaker 1: more of the production profile on College for me, but

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Speaker 1: I you know, I don't think Cooper from a prospecting standpoint,

638
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: was an undeniable talent. I thought that he was fine,

639
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: but I didn't see him like almost any other wide

640
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: receiver in this class outside of you know, the top four.

641
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: I kind of saw Omar Cooper as just like he's fine,

642
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: like he's he could be a Rashi Rice type player

643
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: in the league. But Rashee Rice has the perfect environment,

644
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Speaker 1: and I don't think that Omar Cooper has that environment.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you said X because we'll just trolling down

646
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: to ted Hurst the X fact.

647
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Does that excite you? Yeah? So, I mean I've seen okay,

648
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: so a Mecca, Buka the Z.

649
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: This is from the Nolfins Cordner yesterday, Zach Robinson saying

650
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: a Mecca is going to play primarily the Z and

651
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: ted Hurst is going to be the uh the X.

652
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Yes. So also in chat we're seeing I saw Cooper

653
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: played outside his junior year extensively. I get it, like

654
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: I understand that I'm saying how we're generally projecting like

655
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I think he can he can play outside, inside, pretty

656
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: much all over the formation. But what I'm saying is

657
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: that they have ad Ni Mitchell, who is very much

658
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: a perimeter X receiver, like that is what ad Ni

659
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Mitchell generally does. He could just beat out ad Ni Mitchell.

660
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that won't happen. I think that

661
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: range of outcomes wise, I'm projecting that. I'm just saying

662
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: that we can't lose sight of the fact that that's

663
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: not a guarantee. That's what I really mean. So with

664
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: with ted Hurst, I liked Hurst as like an upside prospect,

665
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: but it's there's there's some like serious truthers out there.

666
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: I was ahead of the market with my adp with

667
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: ted Hurst because I've gotten him on plenty of teams.

668
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: So don't take this as like a I'm a hater,

669
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: because I'm not. But when you look at his analytical profile,

670
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: yes there was a you squint. Nico Collins is kind

671
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: of a comp like it's it's and that's intriguing, okay,

672
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: But but he played it a smaller program and his

673
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: numbers really weren't like blowing you away, and and you

674
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: were not the best play yeah, and you want numbers

675
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: at those smaller programs to blow you away. In order

676
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: for these players to generally hit the go to smaller programs. Uh.

677
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: With that being said, I think that with Ted Hurst

678
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: and what I took from the quotes and what they're

679
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: saying is not so much that he's going to start

680
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: as the X, but more so that they're playing him

681
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: and developing him in that role, because Tampa Bay for

682
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: years has just been like Mike Evans, all right, we're good,

683
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about this, And they're drafting

684
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: slot guy after slot guy and they're just throwing them

685
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: on at the Z and they're just doing all and

686
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: and like they're they're moving these guys around and not

687
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: really worrying about archetype at wide receiver. And it's good

688
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: that they're actually having these thoughts right now. Zach Robinson

689
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: in company. But I took this more as Hurst Hurst

690
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: has the upside to be their ex to step in

691
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: for that in that Mike Evans role if you will,

692
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: you know a Mecca Buca can can obviously rotate. And

693
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, I'll tell you this kitchen, I've drafted so

694
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: much more Chris Godwin than I ever imagined this year.

695
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: Like he he to me is so unbelievably undervalued in

696
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Best Ball drafts right now I've gotten so I think

697
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm at like thirty five percent.

698
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: Chris Godwin Yeah, And honestly, and Mecca kind of scares

699
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: me where he's going.

700
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: He's because there's more of an opportunity cost. Chris Godwin

701
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: goes after every good wide receiver is basically off the board,

702
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, like you're you're, You're, There's just there's only

703
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: upside with where specially you go running back heavy and

704
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: so so I think Godwin can play the slot, which

705
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be a very valuable role, and then Abuka

706
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, will play both there and then Z and

707
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: then they'll probably rotate in. Jalen McMillan a good bit too,

708
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: like he's the forgotten one here. And if this news

709
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: is gonna push Jalen McMillan down draft boards even more,

710
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm kind of intrigued because he's at least flash at times.

711
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: He's been a lot like Jalen McMillan's the perfect sort

712
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: of like litmus test if you were to ask somebody like,

713
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: did this player out perform where he was drafted in

714
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: the NFL draft, Because a lot of people will probably

715
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: be like Jalen macmillan, No way Jalen McMillan for his

716
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: draft cost has been way better than what anyone has

717
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: would would expect as a median from a player being

718
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: drafted in that spot, and he's shown that he can play.

719
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: He was a slot guy coming out, that's just how

720
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: everyone thought that he would be and what he would do.

721
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: He's played in the outside, He's had experience doing that.

722
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just a lock that ted Hurst

723
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: plays the ex immediately. Do you like, should you throw

724
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: darts in rookie drafts? Of course, one hundred percent. Like

725
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: it was a really weak class and there's a reason

726
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: why I had him ranked the head of ADP. But

727
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: from a season long perspective, I'm still expecting Jalen McMillan

728
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: to be sprinkled in there.

729
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: All Right, we've spent quite a bit of time talking

730
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: about news us Breese Hall InCD a three year deal.

731
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: All right to those Breese Hall fantasy dynasty, man, they have.

732
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Speaker 1: A lot of Look, they have a lot of draft

733
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: capital for next year. They can they're gonna get a

734
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: quarterback next year, so they'll they'll you know, the things

735
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: could change there you go.

736
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: Uh and Steelers apparently they are stripping Drew Aller down

737
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: of everything he's ever learned at Penn State. And they're

738
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Speaker 2: re uploading, is what they said, reinstalling, So.

739
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: They he's like a Nintendo video game cartridge. It's like

740
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: a really good video game and then you're just you're

741
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: blown into it and you gotta you gotta hope it works.

742
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: You know that they're they're they're blowing into it right now.

743
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: I almost made that analogy. I was afraid, did you was?

744
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: I was? I? I like, I almost tweeted it before

745
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: before the show. I'm glad you didn't.

746
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: You probably would have got some phrasing replies probably, Yeah.

747
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: So all right, and then Aaron Rodgers, who knows whatever.

748
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: We've talked too much about him anyway. So with that

749
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: being said, let's move on to today's data.

750
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Speaker 1: Today's data. All right, JJ, what are we looking at here?

751
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: I'll go through this fast. So this is just a

752
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: continuation of what you guys heard on that NIL episode

753
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: and what you saw. And these are charts that what

754
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: you could have seen in the newsletter this week. It's

755
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: talking about average age per draft class of what we've

756
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: seen in the app model database. So the chart is

757
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: showing you the age of each running back, wide receiver,

758
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: and tight end class. The average age of all players

759
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: in the app model database. That includes guys who are undrafted.

760
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: It's guys who went to the combine or who were drafted.

761
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: And you can see especially the wide receiver line. Look

762
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: at the orange line. After twenty twenty, it's just going

763
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: up and up and up and up. And the reason

764
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: for that is transfer rules, the eligibility stuff with COVID

765
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: and nil, right, because they're staying in the league a

766
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: year longer. And you've seen it. You know, running back's

767
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: gotten generally. You know, twenty twenty five we had a

768
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: younger running back class versus the average over the last

769
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: fifteen or so years. But it was also a good

770
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: running back class, you know, and that's why we were

771
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: saying it was a good running back class. The year

772
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: before that terrible running back class way older. Right, So

773
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: you're seeing general trends. You can look at the table

774
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: to the right. You're seeing general trends where running back

775
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: has increased in age by about point two years on average,

776
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Wide receiver point two three, tight end point two three.

777
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: When you look at twenty eleven to twenty twenty, and

778
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: then twenty twenty one to twenty twenty six. Now, if

779
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: you scroll down and you look at what's gone on

780
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, it's not really changing much.

781
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: There's been basically a point zero seven on average from

782
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: a year's standpoint point zero seven years on average. The

783
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: running back classes over the last five classes have been

784
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: older than what we saw from twenty eleven to twenty twenty.

785
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: Wide receiver and tight end in the top one hundred

786
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: have actually gotten younger. So I don't think there's that

787
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: much to say that of the players that we care

788
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: about most in Fantasy football Top one hundred picks, Day one,

789
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: Day two picks, I don't think there's enough to say that,

790
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: Like things are dramatically changing on that front. You're gonna

791
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: see more twenty three twenty four year olds get drafted

792
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, like a Kaylon Black this year,

793
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: like an RJ. Harvey last year. But RJ Harvey, I

794
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: mean we're gonna talk about him in a second. I

795
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: mean he he didn't really work out to expectation or

796
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: what people thought he could or wanted to. You know,

797
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: obviously there's a whole career to be played, but like

798
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: it hasn't been great so far for Harvey and uh,

799
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: you know you can say that, like, oh, Tyrone Tracy

800
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: was a hit and he was over twenty four years old, Okay,

801
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: but like there was good parts of his profile and

802
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: he's also a Day three pick. It's just a it's

803
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, when you're focused on the top one hundred picks,

804
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: things really are changing that much from an age perspective

805
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: in this nil era. All right, good stuff.

806
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: Let's get on to some losers, some big losers.

807
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: It's the late round main event.

808
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, l for losers, not late round in this one.

809
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: These are veteran losers from the NFL draft, starting with

810
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: Tyler l Gear.

811
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's obvious. They draft Jeremiah Love Tyler Elguy.

812
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: Poor god. I feel really bad for Tyler Algier, although

813
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: I feel even more bad for him because I beat

814
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: him in a fantasy league. Once I beat him, there

815
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: was a league that we did on sleeper one year

816
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: that I was invited to, and like the Sleeper Bowl

817
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: or something, and we had aj Dillon and Tyler Algear

818
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: and then ten other or nine other analysts. Maybe it

819
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: was even a fourteen team league. Oh, that was a

820
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: sleeper Bowl.

821
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Speaker 2: The fantasy footballers were in it and all those Yeah,

822
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: I can't remember who was in that year, but yes

823
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: it was against other analysts and stuff, and I won

824
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: the league, and so I forever can say that I

825
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: beat Tyler Algier.

826
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: And aj Dillon and fantasy. It's pretty sweet. Uh But yeah, look,

827
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Algier might be their goal line back, but this is

828
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: an offense that we're probably not super super bowlish on.

829
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, what's the over under game

830
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: started for Jacoby Brissett this year? If I said ten

831
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: and a half, would you take the over or under?

832
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: M Probably the under? I think so too. And that's

833
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: that's what I like. It depends on how they do.

834
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: Obviously just start, But like, why if you're gonna tank

835
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: and you got some of these options out there's a

836
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: good draft class and he rapped at Carson Beck, you know,

837
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: and why not let you got out of Carson Bright.

838
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: So I think that the offense could could struggle a

839
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: little bit. I do. I am hopeful of the coaching

840
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: change and stuff, and I think that's gone kind of

841
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: unnoticed and talked about about Arizona this offseason, where people

842
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: are kind of just looking at the Jacoby Brissette team

843
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: that they had last year and they're talking about Michael

844
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: Wilson in a really favorable like, what if this new

845
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: coaching staff can unlock Marvin Harrison Jr. I still think

846
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior is more like inherent talent than Michael

847
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: Wilson does. And so that's where I think it's kind

848
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: of kind of a kind of interesting. But you know,

849
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: I do think Algier can see some goal line work,

850
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: but what does that really mean in an offense like this?

851
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: Could he see some early down and stuff. Sure, but

852
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: this is a huge, huge l for Tyler Aljier post draft.

853
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And again goes from being back

854
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 2: up to a backup.

855
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: But at least he got paid. I guess. Yeah, it's

856
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: to save gets to save his body.

857
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: Okay, next, we have in a list Harold Fannin, who

858
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: we're big fans of, and Jerry Judy, who maybe not

859
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: so big.

860
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out Harold Fannin's mom. Happy late Mother's Day. Right.

861
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, So look, Jerry Judy I think has gotten

862
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: to the point of his career where we know he

863
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: needs volume. Like a couple of years ago when he

864
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: started to dominate and like do really well in fantasy football,

865
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: It was one of the easiest fades for me last

866
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: year because he ran so many routes and he was

867
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: seeing such an unsustainable, such unsustainable numbers from a volume perspective.

868
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: His efficiency is yards per out run, whatever the case

869
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: may be, was was not changing. It was the same.

870
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: He was the same player. Nothing was changing about him

871
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: as a player. And so now you add Casey Concepcion

872
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: and Denzel Boston. Judy hasn't had a yards per out

873
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: run rate above one point eight five since twenty twenty two.

874
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: He's only been above that mark once throughout his career.

875
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: His targets per out run rate never above about twenty

876
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 1: two percent. So you get these new bodies in there,

877
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: that's a lower targets per out run rate, and that's

878
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a fewer that's that's just gonna result in

879
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: fewer Fantasy points for Jerry Judy. I just I think

880
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: it's over for Jerry Judy. I just I know they're

881
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna try to say he's We're gonna feed him, He's

882
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: still the engine in the passing game. I'm just not there.

883
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: I like Todd Munkin, and I think Munkin really likes

884
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: what he saw on in casey CONCEPTSI on with with

885
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: Harold fannin though I don't think we should lose sight

886
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: of this either. Like there's some very real volume concerns

887
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: for fannin last year. He was hurt in that championship

888
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: week remember against the Steelers, yep, where he scored that touchdown,

889
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: and then I had him in so many championship teams

890
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: and I was tilting my face off, but uh, you know,

891
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: he gets hurt in that week seventeen game. His previous

892
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: nine games, he was averaging a twenty seven point three

893
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: percent target share per game rate, which is absurd. That's

894
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: very very high at tight end. He was averaging less

895
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: than ten pper points per game before that split. Now,

896
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: obviously there was the Djoku stuff going on, he wasn't

897
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: healthy the whole time and such, But what I'm saying

898
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: is that, like we should not be assuming that he

899
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: is going to sustain a twenty seven percent target share

900
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: in this offense, especially especially with uh, you know, the

901
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: the changes that we've love. There's just so much that's

902
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: changed within that offense. I really like Harold fan and

903
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: the talent, but there's so much more stability with like

904
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: what's going on with Tyler Warren. Where, Yeah, we saw

905
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: how this coaching staff used Tyler Warren last year. Obviously

906
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: it went to the UNI know what, whenever Philip Rivers

907
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: and such, you know, came under center and Daniel Jones

908
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: got hurt. But we have the same coaching staff hypothetically

909
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: the same quarterback, and then you're just less Michael Pittman, right,

910
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: and that feeds in more volume to Tyler Warren. Or

911
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna be more of a focal point or the

912
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: same focal point, and he can be a very real

913
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: fantasy asset. And just a couple of rounds later, you've

914
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: seen Harold Fannon sitting there. There's so much up in

915
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: the air with him. I love fannin you know, I've

916
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: still clicked his name at times, but it's a very

917
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: very hard sell. Yeah, we haven't even talked about really

918
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: his quarterback. Right, the quarterback play is gonna be more

919
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: than likely terrible, Like they're gonna be tanking this year.

920
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, all right, speaking of really high target shares,

921
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: number three in the list.

922
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: Chris Alave by the way, before we get into that,

923
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: ja Quon saying I'm a Cards fan, I still don't

924
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: think that you can convince an entire team to tank.

925
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I'm not really

926
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: into this, like tanking with football, it's very difficult to

927
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: do something like that. But what I am saying is

928
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: their roster's not very good, like they didn't do anything

929
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: to really address a bad defense last year, and they're

930
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: gonna want to What I'm saying is they're gonna want

931
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: to see what they have because it's clearly a rebuild,

932
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: and when you're in a rebuild, you're gonna want to

933
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: see what you have in these players before you get

934
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: into a very very lucrative twenty twenty seven draft. Yeah,

935
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: it's not saying that.

936
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: It's basically like what's the what does the opportunity cost there?

937
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: Titans did the same thing three years ago with Ryan

938
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: Tannehill and Will Levis, you know Will Levis. They they

939
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: trade up and drafted and then the team wasn't doing

940
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: that well, so they just sat Tannehill and started.

941
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: You need to have that information. Yeah, happens all the

942
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: time when teams are When teams are i mean, shoud

943
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: or Sanders played last year, you know, like they got

944
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: there like, oh, we're not gonna like they shouldn't have

945
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: even probably started Flacco last year, right, black belt was

946
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: too good for them to start, right, So they they

947
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: you need to evaluate your players. Yeah. Next is Chris

948
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: A Lave, where I love it. I've been in the

949
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: Lave Truther since he was drafted. About a twenty seven

950
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: percent targets perou run rate last year, which is insanely good. Uh,

951
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: Like I said, very underrated player. He's he's never had

952
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: lower than a one point nine to eight yards per

953
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: out run rate in the season. Thirty point two percent

954
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: target share last year though, that's that's gonna be really

955
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: hard when he hasn't been above a twenty seven percent

956
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: target share outside of that season and Jordan Tyson stepping in.

957
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna see a three to five

958
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: percent target shair dip for Chris A Lave. And so

959
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: that's why I think that we see him more or

960
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: we should see him more in that three four turn range.

961
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: I I think I in my last ranks, I had

962
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: Devonte Smith over Chris A Lave. Maybe that's hot take.

963
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: He I have no idea, but like I think a

964
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: Lave belongs more in that like three four turn range

965
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: in best ball whereas like his ADP before the draft

966
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: was in that two three turn area and it you know,

967
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: it takes time for that to kind of drop to

968
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: where it should be.

969
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think it's a

970
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: hot take, especially if we can assume that aj Brown

971
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: is out right out there. Love's going to have to

972
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: fight with Jordan Tyson for those targets. Speaking of fighting,

973
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: some people might want to fight you on this one.

974
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: You got Wanda Robinson at number four.

975
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: I love the real life pairing with Carnel Tait. You

976
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: get a guy who can stretch the field really well

977
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: with a guy who plays really well underneath. But last

978
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: year it's just, you know, sample size is kind of small.

979
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: But Molie Neighbors played those four games last year he had.

980
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Wandell had a twenty two percent target year with Maleague

981
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: Neighbors thirty three percent without him. He was just fed

982
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: last year. Like I know that we remember the games

983
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: like that Dallas game where he went off down the field.

984
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was throwing those those moon balls to him

985
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: and you were like, wow, Wandell. Yeah, I think that

986
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: Wandell is a good player. Like I liked him coming

987
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: out Actually a decent bit when he came out of college.

988
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: But I still think that he is very mostly a

989
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: lower A dot slot player, and we saw that for

990
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: the majority still of last season, even if it was

991
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: a little bit different because they didn't have any healthy

992
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: perimeter wide receivers or a good one. So Carnal Tate

993
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: steps in. You know, I don't think Carnel Tit is

994
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: automatically Molleague Neighbors at all. You know, Mo Laigue Neighbors

995
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: was a better prospect as well, But this is a

996
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: profile in Wandell Robinson where you need that volume. I

997
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: think Wandell could still out target Carneal Tait this year.

998
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that we have to be we have

999
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: to recognize that without my League Neighbors last year, Wandell

1000
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: Robinson was doing some some unsustainable things from a target

1001
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: share standpoint. Yeah, and before like if the Titans would have.

1002
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: Drafted someone else other than Carnel Tate, Wandell would have

1003
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: been still, like I mean, a really good choice.

1004
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: Like let's say they go Hurst, where a lot of.

1005
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: People had them projected to take later on, Wandell would

1006
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: have been the alpha.

1007
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have you have more opportunity like there's

1008
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: one hundred percent target share pie and you know, like

1009
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: you can say targets are earned, and they are earned.

1010
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: But like I say this all the time, just go

1011
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: to the extreme hypothetical. If you have a room of

1012
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, Puka to Kua, Jamar Chase is your three

1013
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: wide receivers, those guys aren't gonna see the same target

1014
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: hirs they see right now in their offenses because they're

1015
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: competing with other extremely good wide receivers.

1016
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Uh, let's go to Malik Willis. You know,

1017
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 2: in the South, we have the saying blessed, bless your heart.

1018
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: That's how I feel about Malik Willis. Bless his heart.

1019
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: You know, good for him for getting a pay day.

1020
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: But their wide receiver.

1021
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Room catching Jalen Tolbert to to out well Maleiak Washington

1022
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: going into the draft, that's what they had, Okay, and

1023
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: then they don't spend up at wide receiver. They reach

1024
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: on Caleb Douglas. Actually, the conversation we had earlier, Caleb

1025
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: Douglas was the arian smith for me of this draft. Yeah,

1026
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what in the world is going on?

1027
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Like before he was drafted, before Chris Bill it's it's

1028
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: like everyone's talking about this on stribbling. The conversation we

1029
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: should be having is Caleb Douglas. That was an insane pick,

1030
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: Like an insane pick. Anyway, they they they draft Caleb Douglas,

1031
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: who is not a polished wide receiver in my opinion,

1032
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: and then they get a guy who's coming off in

1033
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: acl and Chris Bell. And then they get a slot

1034
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: guy like in Kevin Coleman on day three. But this

1035
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: room is Jalen Tolbert to to at well, Malik Washington,

1036
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: Chris Bell, Caleb Douglas, Kevin Coleman, Terras Marshall, and the Oisee,

1037
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: the oise he who played with Luther Burden in college.

1038
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: That that's that's how people remember the Oisee. So so

1039
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this this wide receiver room and yeah,

1040
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: Malik Willis was a loser, and they're they didn't get

1041
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings, you know, like, I don't think Stefan Diggs

1042
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: is gonna go there. He seems like a ring chaser

1043
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: or someone who wants to be on a more competitive team.

1044
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: Maybe debo like but even still, like, are we that

1045
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: excited about that? To move the needle from Malique Willis.

1046
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm still drafting Mleikue Willis because of the rushing, but

1047
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling is still a little bit questionable

1048
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: because the rushing gives a player a floor.

1049
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: Not that ceiling. Yeah. That roster, that wide receiver roster

1050
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: is it's like a bunch of wide receiver fours.

1051
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: It's it's legitimately, this is not hyperbole. Legitimately the worst

1052
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver room that I have ever seen. Ever. We

1053
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: should pull up some. Uh, there's probably the other ones.

1054
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: I just like to be you know, I needed, I

1055
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: needed people to get like fired up over. Yeah.

1056
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: Would you rather have these wide receivers or the Titans

1057
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: when they had Tyler Boyd and Nick Westbrook.

1058
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler Boyd's better than all these players. Hail to

1059
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: pit baby. Oh all right, speaking of hell to pitt

1060
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: Hell to pitt Man, Michael Pittman and DK Metcalf. Yeah,

1061
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: what a transition there, Uh, Michael Pittman, DK Metcalf for

1062
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: losers because they draft Jeremy Bernard. I think that he's

1063
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: an underneath player. He can play the slot that hurts

1064
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman to a degree. You know, I don't know

1065
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: how much Bernard's gonna play, but Mike McCarthy's favorite slot

1066
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: guys in the past. I don't think it's a coincidence

1067
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: that they were trying to get McKay lemon in round

1068
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: one and then Jeremy Bernard in round two. They want

1069
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: someone to play that role, and so I think this

1070
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: gives Pittman a little bit less flexible, and then the

1071
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: target chair numbers can go down for DK Metcalf. So

1072
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's a you know, within the context of

1073
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: this draft class, it's kind of a loser situation for

1074
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: for Metcalf and Pittman.

1075
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those guys are definitely going to be losers

1076
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers doesn't signed.

1077
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: Someone said Panthers super Bowl wide receiver room Ted Gins

1078
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: better than all these guys.

1079
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Next we have cover boy R. J. Harvey and JK.

1080
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Dobbins in this Broncos backfield.

1081
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get Jonah Coleman three headed committee. I think

1082
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: we're going to see at least to a degree, you know,

1083
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: I think that you could think of like the Tyler

1084
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: Bidet roll last year where he would come in on

1085
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: passing downs and Jonah Coleman can maybe play that. Even

1086
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: though they're not the same kind of player necessarily. I

1087
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: think this though, you know, it's very easy to say

1088
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: that this is going to hurt Harvey, and it is

1089
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna hurt Harvey. Okay, if Jonah Coleman is any relevant, like,

1090
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: it's not a good thing for the running backs that

1091
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: are there. However, R. J. Harvey is more of that.

1092
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say this because people are

1093
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: gonna yell at me. More of that like Joker in

1094
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: the offense, if you will, right, like like the guy

1095
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: that John Payton likes to deploy and in a lot

1096
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: of interesting ways and across the formation and gives him

1097
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: a lot of looks through the air in the red

1098
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: zone as we saw last year. I don't think all

1099
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: of those are gonna go away. I think the scarier

1100
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: thing is is JK. Dobbins, who was more of that,

1101
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: like early down wasn't doing much as a receiver last

1102
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: year in that offense. So, like you know, I think

1103
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: that if you look at these three running backs, the

1104
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: best running back as a traditional back is probably JK.

1105
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: Dobbins from like a talent perspective, But the fear is

1106
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 1: that from like a role perspective, Coleman overlaps with JK

1107
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: Dobbins a little bit more than he does R. J. Harvey.

1108
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: With that being said, I think that again, like it's

1109
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: really bad news for Harvey as well. Like I'm not

1110
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, Like, if if Harvey was gonna

1111
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: his upside case as a player, then Jodah Coleman's not

1112
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: really going to get in the way. But it's a

1113
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: little bit different for JK. Dobbins because Coleman could steal

1114
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: goal line work and he could, you know, be a

1115
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: pass pro guy, whatever the case may be. So yeah,

1116
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean you look at some of the splits though

1117
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: with Harvey. Weeks one to ten, with JK Dobbins, he

1118
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: had a twenty nine percent snap share, thirty two percent

1119
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: route share, eighteen percent of the team's rush attempts, and

1120
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: then from Week eleven to the playoffs without JK Dobbins

1121
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: sixty percent snapshare, forty seven percent route share, fifty eight

1122
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: percent of the team's rush attemps. I mean, it was

1123
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 1: completely different the way they used him. And I don't

1124
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: want us to be anchored to what happened second half

1125
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: of the year for R. J. Harvey, because I don't

1126
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: think that's going to happen with JK. Dobbins there and

1127
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: now Joonah Coleman there.

1128
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: Deegu Sig says, the real jokers. Marvin Mams Peyton just

1129
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: hasn't realized it yet. I mean, I look justin Justin Goalie.

1130
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: People said he might be yeah tight end, he's a

1131
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: fun one. Yeah, But like I think that we you know,

1132
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: this is a learning process for all of us. But

1133
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: like it's really easy to get afraid of going against

1134
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: a group think thought when it comes to a really

1135
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: prolific coach with like good fantasy outcomes and you know

1136
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: in his history, and that was the case with RJ.

1137
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: Harvey for me last year, where go read the prospect profile, like,

1138
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: go read what the model was saying. It did not

1139
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: like RJ. Harvey. It was a high risk profile in

1140
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: the ZAP model. And you know, I still, I mean,

1141
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: to be fair, I think I ranked Caleb Johnson ahead

1142
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: of him. So that was a big l But like,

1143
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: but like in the context of not letting the destination

1144
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: totally overshadow the prospect evaluation and not letting that overshadow

1145
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: it today, right, don't let your feelings about RJ. Harvey

1146
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: being in Denver last year and how excited you were

1147
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: for that, and I saw the upside case. I get it.

1148
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I drafted him in redraft. But yeah, don't let that

1149
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: spill over into your evaluation of R J. Harvey as

1150
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: if you know, like like like thinking about like the

1151
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: landing spot in the situation and oh he was hand

1152
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: picked by Sean Payton, all that stuff is really not

1153
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: relevant right now, just given they brought back JK. Dobbins,

1154
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: they drafted Joonah Coleman, and R J. Harvey had pretty

1155
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: questionable numbers last year. Yeah, that three headed committee.

1156
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: My only criticism of you, JJ is that you should

1157
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: have warned us in the off.

1158
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: Season before the draft about Harvey. Don't even don't you

1159
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: dare troll me, just kidding.

1160
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: I think you've warned us multiple times, so if you

1161
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: still have him on your dynasty roster.

1162
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: You did get to the point though, where like, like

1163
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: if you look at the January ADP too, right before

1164
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: the draft, it got to the point where I'm like, oh,

1165
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: now I'm kind of at market with R J. Harvey,

1166
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: and then now you know, it's just so like I

1167
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: don't think the read was wrong, but there were times

1168
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like, yeah, I don't need to sell him

1169
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: as aggressively as I as I did before, and biggest

1170
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: backbuilds much.

1171
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: That's that's that's coming the Broncos. All right, JJ, good stuff.

1172
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: I think that's it. No, No, so I had one more.

1173
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: I thought that was seven.

1174
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: No, Garrett Wilson. Yeah, Garrett Wilson. You get Kenyan Sadik

1175
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: and Omar Cooper. He hasn't had a single season in

1176
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: four years with a yards brought running rate above one

1177
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: point eight five. I'm just gonna I think Garrett Wilson's good, Okay,

1178
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: I really do. But I have talked about this for years.

1179
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: The peripherals for Garrett Wilson have never been better than

1180
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: Chris A. Laves. And yet the market is consistently until

1181
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: now put Garrett Wilson so far ahead of Chris A. Lave.

1182
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: But this is where peripherals can really matter. And yeah,

1183
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: his situation hasn't been very good. Has Chris Alave's been

1184
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: that good. It's not like Chris Alave is sitting here

1185
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: playing with Patrick Mahomes, you know. So with with Garrett Wilson, though,

1186
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,479
Speaker 1: I do worry about volume. You know, his target share

1187
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: average since year one has been thirty percent, like he

1188
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: sees so much volume in that offense and he's still

1189
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: not hit a fifteen PPR point per game season. Now

1190
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: you're just adding more talent to the mix, and that's

1191
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: scary in my opinion. So you know, I'm not saying

1192
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm fading Wilson. I'm not in that at that point

1193
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: in the offseason yet. But I do think that as

1194
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I've thought about the situation more and more, he's kind

1195
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: of moved down my rankings, you know, based on where

1196
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: he's His ADP kind of sets things up. I think

1197
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit lower than that.

1198
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. All right, now we can move on,

1199
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: all right, j J.

1200
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: Let's get out of here.

1201
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,080
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Speaker 1: Final thoughts, sir, No, you know it's fun that we

1209
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: have stuff to talk about in May.

1210
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the chat was pretty interactive, you know, shout

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Speaker 2: out to you all, and yeah, I liked it, so

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01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,480
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