1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: from House toff works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: the podcast on Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Tryan Bryant, 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Chucky Chuckles, Chuck's Chuck Star whatever, Chutrean's new. I had 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: a I had something that I was working on in 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: my head, but it got pushed up by the eight 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: million other things that I have to keep in my 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: working memory. Another Nicknamer. There's a good one too. I 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: think it was gonna it was really gonna knock everyone's 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: socks off. Chuckolate. No, l Yeah, she's getting she's getting 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot freer with the last these days. Huh. Either 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: or she's moving her chair closer and closer, or she's 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: on L O L cats right now or just not 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: she's name listening? Yeah, um, Chuck, Yes, we're talking about 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: addiction today. That's right. Do you remember in the Science 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Phasing Out Sleep podcast, which strangely enough comes out today 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: on the day we're recording it, but this will be 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: released like five weeks later, you talked about recording this. Yeah, 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: we talked about doing addiction and lo and behold here 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: it is so really if you think about it, we 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: are on track in real time, but in podcast released 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: publishing time, it seems like there's a big lag. But 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: we're giving people what they want, right, that's right, addiction 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: or what we want. Did you like this article? Yeah? 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Did you know that there are many stories about addiction 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: in our society today? Yeah? When this is like the 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: most rigid article of mine you've ever read? Oh you 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: wrote this? Yes, I'm just kidding, dude. It was. Um. 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: I went back when I read it. I was like, 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: it was very scientific sounding, like you. It could have 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: been on the National Institutes of Health website, and it 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: was very bland. And there was one thing I remember 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: going back reading, I didn't pull the trigger on Um, 35 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about addiction and researching it, uh, compared to 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: our views of addiction, like even twenty thirty years ago, 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: like in the eighties. God, can you believe that was 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: like thirty years ago? Night? Um, that whole Nancy Reagan 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: just Say No campaign scared the Bejesus out of a 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: lot of people, but it also had a very negative 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: impact as well, and that it's so grossly overexaggerated the 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: effects and the addictiveness of drugs, that for kids who 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: were I guess gutsy enough to go ahead and try 44 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: the drugs that they've been warned against. Once they tried 45 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: them and found out that they weren't you know, they 46 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: didn't turn into like a donkey, uh as Nancy Reagan 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: told them they would. Then UM, they were like, well, 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I wonder what other drugs are gonna do? You know, 49 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: they get a little more bold and courageous. So what 50 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: are you saying that they just say No to drugs 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: campaign may have had the reverse effect on people who 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: actually tried drugs. They and it's not just me saying that, 53 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of consensus in 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: the addiction UM field, which is you know, multidiscipline UM 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: that this just say no campaign or any campaign that 56 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: overexaggerates the effects of drugs and deviates from a straight 57 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: science based reporting of what uh addictive substances can do 58 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: to you UM can have a negative impact. Well, you 59 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: you think we would have learned our lesson from refer 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: madness back in the day. You would definitely think so, 61 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, that whole dope fine thing Chuck. It's funny 62 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: that you bring up refer madness and the dope fine thing, 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: because that was the way for a period that people 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: looked at addicts. It was a major character flaw, right, 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: But before that it was just no big deal. Well, 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: there was no such thing as addiction up until like 67 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: the late eighteenth century. It was called how Things are Exactly? 68 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: Did you see that little thing I sent you about 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: the the funeral of a Boston minister's wife in sixteen 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: seventy year? I didn't get a chance to read it, 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: was it. So there's this really cool paper if you 72 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: ever have some time to kill, which you know you 73 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: never ever ever do. But it's a thirty two pager 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: by a guy named Harry g. Levine called The Discovery 75 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: of Addiction colon Changing Conceptions of Habitual Drunkenness in America. 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: It sounds really boring. I think it's like ninety eight. 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: But um this guy is tracing the history of addiction 78 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: and he's saying, like, prior to the eighteenth century, the 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: end of the eighteenth century, there was no such thing 80 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: like people drank because they wanted to get drunk, right. Um, 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: So in sixteen seventy eight, people in America drank their 82 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: faces off Chuck e. G. At the funeral of a 83 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: Boston minister's wife, mourners consumed fifty one and a half 84 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: gallons of wine. And think how many could there be. 85 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: It's sixteen seventy eight in Boston. It's like fifty people 86 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: who aren't like Native American in in the continental United 87 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: States or what would become Well, maybe there were fifty 88 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: one and a half people and they drank he so uh. 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: And then at the ordination not a funeral, an ordination 90 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: of Reverend Edwin Jackson of Woburn, Massachusetts, guests drink six 91 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: and a half barrels of cider, twenty five gallons of wine, 92 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: two gallons of brandy, and four gallons of rome. Yeah, 93 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: and that was just for the guy becoming a minister. 94 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: You know, our Boston listeners right now, we're like that's right. 95 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: They're like, well, that's wicked awesome. So and then in 96 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: the eighteenth century there was everybody's just drink and drink 97 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: and drinking for fun. Then the eighteenth century some people 98 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: are like, you know what, I kind of have to 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: have four gallons of brandy help me. And then we 100 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: started to get this idea that there was such thing 101 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: as addiction, but it wasn't the person. It was on 102 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: the substance, right, Yeah, it's the absinthe or the opium. 103 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: You know, those were like the drugs of choice back 104 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: in the day. That's the problem. Those things are evil 105 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: and they're bad, right And um, Actually, opium addiction was 106 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: so widespread. Did you see that little sidebar at not 107 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: opium addiction. Opium was everywhere, right, like you could get 108 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: it in any kind of tincture, tonic for any kind 109 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: of malady whatsoever. Um. And so many middle aged women 110 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: became hooked on morphine and opium that it was seen 111 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: in the late nineteenth century as a woman's problem p 112 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: MS or menopause. Interesting, that's how people viewed addiction for 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: a while. But it went from the substance to the person. 114 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: The character flawed, the dope fiend. Right. I thought it 115 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: went from the person to the substance. No, it went 116 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: from this I'm sorry, the substance to the person. So 117 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: it went from it's the problem of the substance to 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: the problem of the person. It's a character flaw, their 119 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: dope fiend. And then finally we arrive at the idea 120 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: that addiction is um a disease, a chronic disease, and 121 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: the person who is addicted is a sufferer, not a fiend. 122 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: That's where we are now for the most part. But 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: we still don't fully understand addiction. We have a pretty 124 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: good view of it, right, I feel like a lot 125 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: of things with the human body we explained, we always 126 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: lead in with like they sort of know, but they 127 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: sort of don't. Well, it's that it's that point where 128 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: all the pieces are on the table, we just haven't 129 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: put them all together. Remember, do you know why, Josh? Why? 130 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: Because the human body is a miracle. It's a big, 131 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: mysterious miracle. I mean when you think about it, really 132 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: about all the things going on in the brain and 133 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 1: the body, and the fact that you know it's wrapped 134 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: up in bones and skin. That sounds like intelligent design 135 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: to me. Well, there you have it. Have Do you 136 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: remember your theory of what happened to the Neanderthals? Uh? 137 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Didn't they say they froze? I got thirsty. Yeah, they 138 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: got hot and thirsty and they died. Alright, Chuck, I 139 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: stand by that. So the whole point of addiction is 140 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: it hijacks the brains reward system, right, Yeah, the limbic system, 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what it does. Josh. When you are 142 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, born, and you're a human being, you learned 143 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: very quickly that you know you have to survive by 144 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: eating and sleeping and taking care of yourself. And that's 145 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: because it triggers the limbic system into shooting a little 146 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: dopamine out and your body says, hey, I like that, 147 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: I need to do that again. And that's what drugs do, 148 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: except they do it two to ten times as much, 149 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: and it's it's fault. It's fake. Dopa means like the 150 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: doggy treat of anything with the brain. Yeah, So if 151 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: you can get ten doggie treats yeah, immediately instead of 152 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: the one, then you take it. And then your brain says, boy, 153 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: this is great. I could get used to this. And 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: it does, right, And since we learn, we're pretty much 155 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: hardwired to learn from that release of dopamine to repeat 156 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: that behavior like reproduce or exercise or eat. Um. We 157 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: if we're getting ten times that amount, we pick it 158 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: up even quicker, like, Okay, well this crack cocaine makes 159 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: me feel really good, so I'm gonna try that. We 160 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: need it more and when it goes away, it makes 161 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: things a lot worse than just um sleepy because I 162 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: didn't get enough sleep. Well, we should say also that UM. 163 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: The current view of addiction, the brain disease model, right, 164 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: UM states that just because you try something doesn't mean 165 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: you're going to become addicted. The process or addiction is 166 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: a process, and a person goes from a user, crosses 167 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: a threshold at some point, uh, and becomes an addict. 168 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: So a user and an addict, they're not synonymous. They 169 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: exist on two different parts of the spectrum of addiction 170 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: or spectrum of substance use interviews. Right used to be 171 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: assess that those are the two different words. Right, So, uh, 172 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: well you summed up the UM. I guess the way 173 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: that addiction works pretty succinctly chucked. Well, it becomes physically addictive. Basically, 174 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: you develop a dependency on this shot of dopamine, this 175 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: huge shot of dopamine, and your body needs it all 176 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden sudden, and you you know, you lose control. Right, 177 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: And we should say that UM drugs generally, like all 178 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: drugs of addiction, UM hijack the reward system. We talked 179 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: about other drugs. I can't remember in some other podcasts 180 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: that don't necessarily work the dopamine. Therefore, if they don't 181 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: necessarily produce addictive properties, right, Um, but those that do 182 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: hijack dopamine transmitters, they either stimulate dopaminees release and or 183 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: they bind to dopamine receptors and prevent its reuptake. Right, 184 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: So you've got a bunch of dopamine release and you've 185 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: got a bunch of its staying in between your synapses longer, 186 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: and then, like you said, you become dependent on that. 187 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: You want that feeling, Well, your brain does without even 188 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: if you don't even know this is going on, your 189 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: brain is saying to your body, you need to go 190 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: out and get more of that because that was really awesome. Right, 191 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: Because your reward system is uh, it's it's there to 192 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: motivate us to do stuff or to or to do stuff. 193 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: That's the reward system. So yeah, like you said, um, 194 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: your your priorities become prioritized and drugs get to be 195 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: four or whatever that substance or behavior is. Right. Well, yeah, 196 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: you always hear um. Like the hardcore abusers of heroin 197 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: or cocaine, it literally they say it overtakes your life. 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: To where your job is to every day get the 199 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: money that you can find the draw and find the 200 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: drugs so you can use the drugs. It's a full 201 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: time deal. And so you've got you've got the hangover withdrawal. 202 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: That's where your dopamine UM. Basically your brains like, Okay, 203 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: I've sense that something artificial is going on, so I'm 204 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: going to stop producing as much and you're gonna have 205 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: to go through a horrible little period. That's the withdrawal 206 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: or hangover. Right. Then you've got physical dependency and at 207 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: at about this point you've crossed over into addictive. Being 208 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: an addict, you're not a user anymore. Once you have 209 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: physical dependency UM. And that's where because your brain is 210 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: not producing that dopamine naturally any longer, and you write 211 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: the withdrawal or the hangover so bad that you can't 212 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: stand it, you will do more. And at that point 213 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: you're like Crusty the clown with moon rocks. You're just 214 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: getting back to normal, you know. Now you're physically dependent. 215 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: That's like, that's the key. I'm not sure if that's 216 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: getting through to all, because I can picture people out 217 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: there looking concerned and bewildered. Right now, your brain actually 218 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: stops producing dopamine if it's getting it, you know, an 219 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: unnatural way, because you know, I don't even make it anymore, 220 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: but there's enough of it out there floating around, all right. 221 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: It's just so messed up. You're literally tricking your brain 222 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: into doing something that it should be doing naturally. Right, 223 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: And that's why with a lot of drugs, getting high, 224 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: getting that high, Uh, it's harder and harder, and harder 225 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: and harder, sure well or easier. There's that flip side 226 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: to which I thought was interesting. It is, and I 227 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: don't fully understand it. I don't. I don't feel bad 228 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: because I don't think science fully understands it either. But 229 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: that's two symptoms of physical addiction. Um. Either you need 230 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: more to get high, or you need far less than 231 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: you ever did before. I would think if you're an attitude, 232 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: you'd want to use the second one. You'd be like, man, 233 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: I can get high of two dollars worth the heroin 234 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: like I used to need. Unfortunately, don't get that choice though, 235 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: UM now because of this, because your brain has been 236 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: basically hijacked by this drug, and I hate I guess 237 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: we probably shouldn't anthropomorphize drugs, not actually hijacking anything, but 238 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: because your brain's reward system has been reprioritized to serve 239 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: this drug. Um, the whole point of treating addiction. And 240 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: I actually wrote a companion article on this how rehab works. 241 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: That's pretty interesting. Um, was that based on your experience 242 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: and rehab? Uh? No, no, no, not true. Um, the 243 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: point of treating addiction is in most cases to just 244 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: completely discontinue use, which is called abstinence. Right, Yeah, for 245 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: most all addiction. Abstinence is the way to go for 246 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: of course, like eating addictions and stuff like that. Right. 247 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: And sex addiction. Yeah, they don't want you to never 248 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: have sex again. No, because I have a problem with 249 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: sex addiction. Okay, I have a problem, But I have 250 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: a problem with everyone saying all these athletes are sex 251 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: addicts because they cheat their wise. Oh yeah, I would 252 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: think that's probably the most exploited addiction of Sure, Josh, 253 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about addiction. What are some of these symptoms 254 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: of addiction? How do you know if you're an addict? Well, 255 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: there's two types that there's physical and behavioral. And I 256 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: should say those two types are specific to substances of abuse, right, 257 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: you can have and or physical or behavioral if you're 258 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: doing like coke or heroin or drinking with behavior behavioral 259 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: addictions behaviors, it's just behavioral. But that doesn't mean it's 260 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: any less addictive. That doesn't any less addictive or harmful 261 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: to you, know your life. Right, But we said one 262 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: of the one of the physical symptoms is that you 263 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: either need more or less of the drug. Right, that's right. Um, 264 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: that's a physical symptoms. Then there's a lot of stuff 265 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: that you could easily guess, um, trouble sleeping, sweating, hand 266 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: amer's nausea, physical agitation, that's if you don't have the 267 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: substance in your body. Right, those are the withdrawal. Basically, 268 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: your body's telling you, like, go do more because we 269 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: don't feel good right now. And you get that from 270 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: everything from alcohol to uh cigarettes to caffeine. Caffeine headaches 271 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: are supposed to be pretty bad, right. I've heard, like, 272 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I've heard people that try to kick diet coke. It 273 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: can be pretty awful. I've um, I've had caffeine headaches before. 274 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: They're not that bad, but I have heard of people 275 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: who really suffer from them. Yeah. Um, so the physical, 276 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: the physical stuff. Really it's using more or less or 277 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: just using to get back to normal. That's physical addiction. 278 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: And then you know, anything that that happens to your 279 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: body as a result of using your abusing a drug, 280 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: that's physical behavioral, which is also called psychological symptoms. UM 281 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: is the stuff that happens to your life basically, Well, 282 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: it's um. You may have tried to quit doing whatever 283 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: this behavior is, whether it's gambling or overeating or sex, 284 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: and uh, you're not able to. So that's one of 285 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: the traits. So you're not gonna have much success there, 286 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: or maybe you spend more time doing it where to 287 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: the point where it's like you know, you might lose 288 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: your job or go broke or something like that. Those 289 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: are all behavioral traits. What else, well, you um, basically, 290 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: you're still using this stuff even though you know it's 291 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: having a harmful impact on you or your life for others. 292 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Or you might stop doing stuff that's good for you, 293 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Like it used to be a jogger, but then my 294 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: sex addiction became so great. Don't even jog anymore. Now, 295 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: just have sex all the time and play professional football. 296 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: Um and chuck. Because of this, this brain disease model 297 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: that we talked about, because these of these symptoms um. 298 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: The view of addiction as it stands today, the most 299 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: widely held model is the brain disease model, and the 300 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: basis of that is that addiction is a chronic disease. Right, 301 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: So as such, just like say asthma or tuberculosis or whatever, 302 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have flare ups relapse, right, Yeah, it's relapse 303 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: with addiction. And so if you go into treatment, you 304 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: need to have like booster sessions as well. After you're 305 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: cured or clean or whatever. Well, yeah, that's just the 306 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: sort of the basis of a right. You still gotta 307 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: go those meetings, right, which is why I think it's 308 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: so radically successful. And the LSD and the coffee, right, 309 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: that should be out by now, I think otherwise people 310 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: can go what I need to get to A I 311 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: had a a a joke, but I'm not gonna tell it. 312 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: That's a good chuck. We've both grown up so much, 313 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: haven't we, Yes, in the past thirty minutes. Uh, what 314 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: else we got here, josh Um Behavioral psychologists, they used 315 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: to think that, I thought this was really interesting. They 316 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: sort of understand addiction a little bit, but they used 317 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: to think that if you just tried drugs in the 318 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: first place, drugs or alcohol or any kind of addictive substance, 319 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: then there was just something wrong with you. But there's 320 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: actually genetic basis for even that, not even whether or 321 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: not you get addicted, but whether you try it to 322 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: begin with. Well, yeah, it's not just that, Like genetics 323 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: is one of a number of risk factors. There's also 324 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: like your susceptibility to peer pressure, your feelings of self 325 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: worth at that moment or at that period in your life. Um, 326 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: there are like if you have anxiety or depression that's 327 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: been shown to increase the likelihood that you're going to 328 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: try drugs. Um. So it's not just like a kid's 329 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: like I'll try this, let's see what happens. Uh That 330 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: that's how they used to see it. Now they see 331 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: it as like, no, there's some there's some other uh 332 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: comorbid factors going on. It's both nature and nurture. So, 333 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: like a good example would be like, um, if you 334 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: start having sex to increase your sense of self worth, 335 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: that could lead to a sex addiction. That that low 336 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: self esteem would be a risk factor that led you 337 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: into your sexy right or if you're depressed and you 338 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: just self medicate, right, or if you try drugs and 339 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I really really like these, that's another 340 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: one for sure. Right. So we were talking about UM 341 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: physical and behavioral symptoms, right, UM again, under the current 342 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: brain disease model of addiction, UM, the the basically the 343 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: double whammy is UM psychological dependence, right, because it has 344 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: not only an effect on the person, it has effect 345 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: on the society as well. So like the person's life 346 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: can be ruined by addiction, but they may also commit 347 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: crime to feed their addiction, or their break up their 348 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: family on a personal level, or both, or commit violence 349 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: the worst, the worst one is psychological or behavioral, which 350 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: makes both substances of abuse and compulsive behaviors addictive behaviors 351 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: UM equally bad. Well yeah, and what that means is 352 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: is you can't say you can't be one of these hardliners. 353 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: It just says, you know, if someone wants to go 354 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: out and kill themselves on dope, then that's their business, right. Well, yeah, 355 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of other things going on. It's 356 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: a great argument against it, but their impacts. Right, But 357 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: it's prohibition. The answer, It certainly wasn't what alcohol was 358 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: it's not work. You know why, because no one stopped drinking. 359 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: Profiction didn't really go over too well. So, Chuck, you 360 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: want to talk about some specific drugs and behaviors that 361 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: people get addicted to. You. Yeah, we've talked about meth 362 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: a little bit and what a stupid thing that is 363 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: to try. Right, What what was that in our big 364 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: anti meth rant I think it was when we did 365 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: the meth Labs crime scene clean up. Meth ampheta means um, 366 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: the good news is the US is going down. It 367 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: looks like yeah, which surprises me. I would have thought 368 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: it would be steady or still going up. Well, maybe 369 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: people aren't starting to realize that. It's not very smart. 370 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: But they actually study brain patterns Josh of long term 371 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: meth users, and they they found that up to of 372 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: their dopamine producing cells were damaged or just shot. Yeah, 373 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: so you literally, I mean, I don't know if they 374 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: can regenerate you. That remains to be seen. Remember there's 375 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: that whole study on m D m A that got 376 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: it out law in the first place, about serotonin levels 377 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: being able to regenerate. I don't know. I don't I 378 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: don't think anybody knows yet. If we're capable of doing that, 379 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: We've not been studying it long enough. I think, just 380 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: let's get some stats going to while we're doing these. 381 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, I was gonna say, Um, what's what's um 382 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: encouraging about meth prevalence is that it's cut in half. Uh, 383 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: people who have used it in the past month. UM 384 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: has gone down from seven one thousand and two thousand 385 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: six and this is in the US to thousand and 386 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: two thousand eight. That's half of what it was. Yeah, 387 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: that's great, that's significant in two years that kind of dropped. 388 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say that the anti meth campaigns 389 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: are working, but they're all dying. Yeah, which is possible. Uh, 390 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: what's next. Prescription drugs? Now, those are on the rise. Yeah. 391 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: They're probably the most abused drug in the United States 392 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: because everybody's on them. There's a huge problem with the 393 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: elderly population basically getting hooked on meds. There's a huge 394 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: problem with the adolescent population basically getting hooked on their 395 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: grandparents meds. UM, and there's been a fourfold increase in 396 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: people checking into rehab who are on prescription medications uh 397 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: within the century, within the first decade, four four times 398 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: as many as there were before UM and in right, 399 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: two point two percent of people seeking treatment for any 400 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: kind of drugs were on prescription drugs, Josh. Also with 401 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: the scripts as I like to call them, prescription drugs. 402 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: Two point two percent of people seeking treatment UM reported 403 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: of using the pain releavers, and in two thousand eight, 404 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: ten years later, ten reported abuse. Right, And that's just 405 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: among people who are seeking treatment. I mean, I can 406 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: supposedly need it. Yeah. I think one of the reasons 407 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: why prescription drugs are so abused is because they're legal 408 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: technically and they're socially accepted in a lot of ways. 409 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally. You know, people don't look at him 410 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: as like a blanket drug. They look at him as 411 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: all these different little drugs, you know. Yeah, I mean 412 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. Used heroin, so he was, you know, 413 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: this lawless scoundrel. But Chandler being gets hooked on back 414 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: pills because he had a bad back, and it's yeah, 415 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: it's sort of dismissed. Yeah, you know, Jodie Foster said 416 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: she would never work with Robert Downey Jr. Again after 417 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: UM home for the holidays. Was he messed up during that? Yeah, 418 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: that was right in the middle of it. Yeah, that's 419 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: a good movie. That's a shame, is it? I never thought. Yeah, 420 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: that's it's good. It's a Thanksgiving movie. You should run 421 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: it for Thanksgiving. Speaking of heroin, right, Yes, um, apparently 422 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: is a lot more specially acceptable than it was before. 423 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: But it's still pretty much like a junkie is a 424 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: junkie in the US, nobody's like, oh, it's just a junkie. 425 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: It's like he's a junkie. That's kind of a huge deal. Well, 426 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: the twenty they say that of people who try heroin 427 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: become dependent on it, so that's pretty substantial. Yeah, that's 428 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: about a quarter. But at the same time, it's surprising 429 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: though if you were raised in the eighties, because you 430 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: would think that a hundred and eight percent of people 431 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: who try heroin become hooked on it. Yeah. I remember 432 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: the one big one that they used to say is 433 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: you if you try heroin just once, you're physically addicted 434 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, that was one of the big campaigns. 435 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: Same with crack. They said the same thing about crackers. 436 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: You try one time and you're addicted. Um. The in 437 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: the US there's actually been something of an increase from 438 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: two thousand seven to two thousand eight, according to the 439 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: National Survey and Drug Use in Health UM from a 440 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three thousand people aged twelve and o 441 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: older in the US who said that they've used heroin 442 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: in the past month to UH two d and thirteen 443 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand eight, So there has been I 444 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: guess that is substantial, especially if you look at the 445 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: population of heroin users that tiny amount, that's kind of yeah, 446 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: that's a big increase. Actually, now I think about it, 447 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: you got cocaine and crack Josh. From two thousand two 448 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: to two thousand eight, rates of past month cocaine use 449 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: among kids declined from point six to point four percent, 450 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: which is good, and it also dropped among young adults 451 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty five, So it seems like those drugs 452 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: are sort of on the wane a little bit. Yeah, 453 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: And and again, if you look at myth prescription drugs, 454 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: will pain killers, especially heroin, coke, crack, All of these 455 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: um have an effect of targeting your reward center, producing 456 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: that high, and you're learning to repeat this behavior right again. 457 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: This can also happen very strongly among compulsive behaviors like 458 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: sex addiction and Chuck, before you go off on sex addiction, 459 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: let's say that, Um, according to the National Association of 460 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: Sexual Addiction and Compulsivity, Uh, the n A s a C. Obviously, Um, 461 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: there's about three to six percent of the American population 462 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: that suffers from sex addiction, right from Yeah, which is 463 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: the real compulsive behavior that's diagnosed. So chuck, sex addiction, Go, well, 464 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't clearly that there is such a thing, but 465 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: it's just so overused. Like you said, you know, Jesse 466 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: James is a sex addict. It's just these are men 467 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 1: of privilege, is what it is. Tiger Woods, Jesse James, 468 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: Brett Farve. They're guys that are in the position that 469 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: they can have sex with whoever they want, whenever they want, 470 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of guys will take the opportunity to 471 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: do it. Doesn't mean they're sex addicts. And like you 472 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: said earlier, or we may have even cut it out, 473 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: I think the bad thing that it does is that 474 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: it gives them sort of a free pass because they're 475 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: just helpless to it. Yeah, yeah, it is really, I 476 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: mean basically it's uh, it seems like a defense for 477 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: poor character and like, yeah, exactly unless all these guys 478 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: are in that three to six p right. And again, 479 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: I think I'm sure that there is like an actual 480 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: sexual addiction, right. Vigo Mortenson had it in twenty eight 481 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: days for three to six percent of the people, right. So, 482 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: But and that's sad that there's probably a lot of 483 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: people out there who need help or who actually are 484 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: sex addics, and people just don't believe them because it's 485 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: like you're full of it. I don't believe Brett Farve either, 486 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: and as Brett Farve is. But and the other thing 487 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: with sex addiction too that we should point out is that, 488 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: like many addictions, it's not even about the sex anymore. 489 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: And apparently once you are a sex addic, you're not 490 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: even getting the enjoyment out of it anymore. Yeah, which sucks, 491 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: I would say. So, so I think, like we said 492 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: that the point of sex treatment sex addiction treat mint 493 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: uh is to restore the person back to a point 494 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: where they can enjoy sex without being addicted to it. 495 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: So it's not abstinence, it's having a healthy sex life. Right. 496 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: And the same goes with binge eating disorders, which is 497 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: about one to three percent of people have a bene 498 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: eating in the general population. If you're obese or you 499 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: seek weight loss treatment or help with eating. The population 500 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: is far higher. About a quarter of people who are 501 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: obese and seek professional help for it have binge eating disorder. 502 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: And it's pretty much what it sounds like. It's like 503 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: binging and purging, which is bulimia, but without the purging part, 504 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: right right, binging and binging? Yes, and Uh. Gambling, Josh, 505 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: is another compulsive behavior that I think has risen since 506 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: Internet gambling has become more accessible. And another name for 507 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: gambling compulsion is ludamania. Really ludamania. Yeah. Interesting. Fifteen million 508 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: people they say display some sign of gambling addiction? Is 509 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: that in the US? I guess yeah. Um, I think 510 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: in this article originally I had like eighteen million or 511 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: something like that. No, two million, So I guess it's 512 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: gone up because it was a recent stat that I 513 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: looked up today that you just read. Yeah, And I 514 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: actually looked up one day that said two point five 515 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: million people are gambling addicts. So there may be a 516 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: variation between a gambling addict and people who display some 517 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: sign of gambling addictions. I guess so, alcohol, Josh, we 518 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: haven't even talked about that yet. Uh. No, we haven't. 519 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: I got some stats for you, and these are staggering 520 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: because alcohol is the one. I mean, most of these 521 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: other things we talked about, aside from the prescription drugs, 522 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: are illicit drugs that you have to you know, get illegally. 523 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: But alcohol is the one that you can buy at 524 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: the corner store, and not surprisingly, it's the biggest problem. Yeah, 525 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad you found this too, because I had trouble 526 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: finding some stats. So lay them, mom me stringing. Oh, 527 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: forty of us adults have had someone related to them 528 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: who was presently or was an alcoholic. That crazy. It 529 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: sounds a lot like the kid who says that you 530 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't know his girlfriend because he met her at camp 531 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: and she lives in Canada. That sounds like that kind 532 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: of staff, does it? Three million U S citizens older 533 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: than sixty abuse of alcohol are require it to function normally, 534 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: and that's going up. Um. You mentioned that your grandparents 535 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: prescription drugs. Grandparents are like the baby boomers now, so 536 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: as the baby baby boomers have aged into quote unquote 537 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: the elderly range, a lot of them are still alcoholics 538 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: and pill addics, and you know, more so than their 539 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 1: parents generation was or were ye, what else you got 540 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: any more on alcohol? Yeah, I have a couple of 541 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a bunch of good ones from 542 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: seeing which ones are good. Um, men are three times 543 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: more likely to be alcoholics and women. Wow, did you 544 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: know that? It's kind of surprising. And if you are 545 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: happily married you only have an eight point nine percent chance, 546 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: whereas if you are single or have a bad marriage, 547 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: you're thirty more likely to become an alcoholic. I can 548 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: see that, especially if men are three times more likely 549 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: to be an alcoholic. I could see somebody's wife saying, like, 550 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: you need to stop drinking as much exactly. And I've 551 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: got one more, really sad one. Um, five hundred thousand 552 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: children age nine to twelve are alcoholics in this country. 553 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: They called them the party kids. That really so sad. 554 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: I always forget about Drew Barrymore. Remember her little She 555 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: was an outlier? You think so? Yes, she was. She 556 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: was again Nancy Reagan eighties. She was the poster child 557 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: for Nancy Reagan's just Say No Campa. But she was 558 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: drinking and doing cocaine. Yeah, and she was like the 559 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: only kid who was in America who was doing those things. Okay, 560 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: I thought you meant that, and it was like eight 561 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: Actually I think that she was doing coking. I thought 562 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: you meant that her story was exaggerated. No, I'm just 563 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: saying like like like on a graph, she's like way 564 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: out here. Yeah, well you always for it about that 565 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: now though, with her, because that was so she's definitely 566 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: cleaned up. Well, she's cleaned up, and I think she 567 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: can go out and have a good time now, I don't. 568 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: I think she had her demons when she was a 569 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: little kid, which I can't imagine being a kid and 570 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: being an alcoholic, you know. You know. That's the second podcast, 571 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: and i'd say this month that she's come up. Yeah, 572 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: roller derbian this one. UM, so Chuck, you have a 573 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: pill addiction one of the Oh, we should also say that, Um, 574 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: physicians tend to see alcohol withdrawal as far more dangerous 575 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: physically than even heroin withdrawal because of the symptoms it produces. Yeah, 576 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: they have pills. You we'll talk about well she talk 577 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: about this now, the pills. Yeah. I was gonna say that, 578 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: if you have a pill addiction, what's the best way 579 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: to treat that with more pills? That's the human answer 580 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: to things. Let's throw a pill at it, and there 581 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: we actually have come up with some pills to treat 582 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: addictive behavior. Yeah right, well, I know. They have one 583 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: um called the sulfur Um and it's sold under the 584 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 1: name ant Abus, and that's the one they give you 585 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: for alcohol that basically, you take this pill and you 586 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: drink even a little bit, and it makes you feel awful, Yeah, 587 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: like you you Basically it does the opposite of your 588 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: reward circuit, punishes you, and you learn the hard way 589 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: not to drink anymore. And apparently you don't get used 590 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: to that. So it's not like you can be on 591 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: this bill and just kind of fight through it. It 592 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. There's another one called the now 593 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: trek Zone. I found that one too, and that one's 594 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: used to treat alcoholism as well. But basically it's just 595 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: it's an opioid an antagonist, which means that it doesn't 596 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: allow alcohol to give you that inflated sense of self 597 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: worth like a gun, does you know? Yeah, I think 598 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: most of those. I think most of those are effect 599 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: the opiate receptors, right, yeah, but strangely so, then there's 600 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: also now maphine that's an opioid antagonist. Just like now 601 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: trek zone. So they should both be able to treat alcoholism. 602 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: But strangely, now trek zone has shown most miss and 603 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: treating alcoholism. Now amphine has been shown has shown the 604 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: most promise in treating gambling addictions, even though they're the 605 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: same type of drug. Do you know what else they 606 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: use that for? What? Shopoholics? Yeah? And I don't know. 607 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: I mean I guess that. I think it just cuts 608 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: down the thrill, right, yeah, I guess so any sort 609 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: of compulsive behavior like that, it looks like it might 610 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: target interesting. It is interesting, and then of course you 611 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: can just go after the genes, right, Yeah, they're they're 612 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: coming a long way and targeting genes. And what they 613 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: don't think at this point is that there's like a 614 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: single gene that they can find. They think it's probably 615 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: a combination of genes. And it's probably also largely epigenetic 616 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: as well too. Yeah, well you should explain what that 617 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: means again, just in case people didn't listen to that one. 618 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: How could they not have if you didn't go listen 619 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: to can your grandfather's diet short in your life? Basically? Um, 620 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: we've found through epigenetics that it's what makes us us. 621 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: Isn't just our parents um genes kind genetic contribution. We 622 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: can actually affect the way our genes work, turning them 623 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: on and off and amplifying them and um lowering their 624 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: their their frequency by the stuff we do, including drugs, drinking, 625 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: the way we eat, pretty much everything has an effect. Yeah. 626 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: And the other thing too you pointed out, which I 627 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: thought was really interesting, is not only are their gene 628 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: combinations that make you more susceptible to this, If you're 629 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: not susceptible to it, it's not like you just are 630 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: lacking those genes, are actually genes that make you less 631 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: susceptible to addiction. Right, So, like the A L D 632 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: H two gene um, people who have two copies of 633 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: this gene um don't don't become alcoholics as easily as 634 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: people who have just one or don't have it at all. 635 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? That is very weird. And if you 636 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: have low neuropeptide y, which is a hormone, well, if 637 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: you're a mouse, I should say, you're you're probably not 638 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: gonna want the booze as much as your fellow Right. Yeah, 639 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: I did find another interesting one too about relapse rates. 640 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: They've even kind of pegged it down to that level. 641 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: They found that um a variant of the opioid receptor 642 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: gene A s P forty, you have a lower rate 643 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: of relapse with alcoholism if you have the A s 644 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: N forty by so even if you try to quit, 645 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: certain genes will say you're more likely to relapse than others. 646 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: So just give up. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of relapse, there 647 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: was some interesting tibet tibit to bat interesting tibet that 648 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: we left out about heroin relapse. In two thousand and four. 649 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: Get this, The entrance rate for heroin treatment right in 650 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: the US for the fifth time was higher than the 651 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: entrance for heroin treatment for the first time. I believe 652 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: that isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's it's really heart to kick. 653 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: I guess I would think so. But try to try again. 654 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: Or go watch train Spotting and never try it in 655 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: the first place, yes, Or or watch Sister Act two 656 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: while you're high on heroin and I'll bet that does 657 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: the same thing. That's a similar fact of trainspining. Ill 658 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: bet it's horrific. Back in the habit. Yeah, if you 659 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: want to know more about drugs and addiction, in general. UM, 660 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: we strongly recommend you read this strangely um prim article 661 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: in your career. It's pretty early back then too. It's 662 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: called how Addiction Works. You can find it by typing 663 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: that into the handy search bar how stiff works dot com. 664 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: And while you're doing that, UM, try rehab too interesting one. Yeah, 665 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: well we should tackle at some point too. Maybe we will. 666 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: Something happened to me throughout this podcast. 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So looking 696 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: forward to it. And no more excuses about not being 697 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: able to listen to our show, because if you get 698 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: the app, you will always be able to listen to 699 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: the show exactly. So you can just to enter the 700 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: app store on your iPhone or go into it the 701 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: iTunes and download the House Stuff Works iPhone app free 702 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: of charge. Got us now back to our regularly scheduled 703 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: program right then, I'm gonna call this an update from 704 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: Sarah the amazing thirteen year old fans Awesome. Yeah, I 705 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: saw that yesterday. You know. My goal is to eventually 706 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: do this podcast through graduation for Sarah, and we just 707 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: have updates from her from the age of eleven to eighteen. 708 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: That's Michael, I wrote her back. They did Jerry, did you? 709 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: She did not? It's all right. This is from Sarah. Hey, guys, 710 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: Chucker's Josh, Jerry and Frank the Chair. I haven't chatted 711 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: with you in a while, so I'm gonna tell y'all 712 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: what's been going on in my world. School started about 713 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: two months ago, and believe it or not, I actually 714 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: like it. Since I'm in the eighth grade now, I 715 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: feel like no one looks down to me. They didn't 716 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: really anyway, since I'm five ft eight, she's okay, crazy, 717 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: she's eight, She's like almost as all as I am. Uh. 718 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: This school year will be full of fine arts, which 719 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: are my favorite enquired drama. We have been working on 720 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: Susical Jr. Which is a musical based work. Uh musical 721 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: based on the works of Dr Seuss. I'm having a 722 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: ball in that class. I get the act, sing and 723 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: dance three of my favorite things. By the way, y'all 724 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: are my favorites. Uh, y'all are on my favorite list too. 725 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: In honor of this unique musical, I was wondering if 726 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: you guys and gal would consider doing a podcast on theater. Guys, 727 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: we a a doctor Dr Seuss, So I when I 728 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: wrote it back, I was like, I'll have to run 729 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: this boy Chuck see what he thinks about it. But 730 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm totally down with that. Well, we covered him on 731 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: the webcast, I know, and he was just I mean, 732 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: I love I loved him anyway, but once he really 733 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: got into his history, he was pretty awesome. So you 734 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: want to Yeah, let's do it for sure. Uh. In school, 735 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: we have a cooking class. In our first class, we 736 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: made a meal. We have about ten students in this class, 737 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: so we split off into three groups. One group, not mine, 738 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: was assigned to make cookies. They made the batter, but 739 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: messed up and put a quarter cups of salt in 740 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: the cookies instead of a teaspoon of salt. That's so crazy. 741 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: The girls baked the cookies and when the teacher tried them, 742 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: she came up with a brilliant idea we should give 743 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: them to the eighth grade boys. Let's just say the 744 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: look on their faces was really hard to describe. It 745 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: was hilarious watching the boys run to the water fountain. 746 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: I can't think of anything else to say. Thanks for 747 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: reading from Sarah, the now amazing thirteen year old fans 748 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: who started out as the amazing eleven year old fan. Yeah, 749 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: that means I'm almost the amazing forty year old podcaster. 750 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: So I'm reading this book called the Consumer republic Um, 751 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: and I just found out did you know that home 752 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: at classes are the earnest result of the consumer empowerment 753 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: movement of the depression? Really? Yeah? Did you take commack? Yeah? Yeah, 754 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,720 Speaker 1: me too. It was one of my favorite classes. Actually, 755 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: it's like, wow, this classroom looks like a house. Yeah. 756 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: I like that, and we kind of just get to 757 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: cut up and make cookies and eat them exactly. Did 758 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: you take shop? I took that one too. I was 759 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: much more intimidated in that class. Like wood shop. Yeah, yeah, 760 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: we didn't have Some schools have a car shop. We 761 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: never had that de chol in that we had when 762 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: I never took it. Auto shop. Yeah, those kids could 763 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: take a car apart and put it back together. I 764 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: wish I would have ye. I wonder how much more 765 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: I would have liked shop. Had I been as comfortable 766 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: then as I am now around people missing a finger, 767 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: I could have been a changed person. I got nothing else. Well, 768 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: if you have a story about losing a finger, we 769 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: want to hear it. It better be for real, though, 770 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: none of this loop Vegas stuff. Uh wrap it up 771 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: in an email and ship it post haste to stuff 772 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: podcast at how stuff works dot com. For more on 773 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: this and thousands of other topics, is it how stuff 774 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: works dot com. 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