WEBVTT - National Treasure 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.720 On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.760 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:12.240 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef In best 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:17.640 start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Caitlin, I can't 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.639 do this podcast. What why? It's just gonna lead to 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.120 another clue and that's gonna lead to another clue. And 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.280 I've lost twenty years of my life to this and 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:34.440 I can't do it anymore. I'm not gonna do the podcast. No, 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.640 that's me cause playing against John Voight that was great, 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.160 wouldn't be funny. If you're like, I can't do this podcast, 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.320 It's just gonna lead to a spinoff podcast, and that's 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.839 going to lead to the podcast, which is how that works. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:54.400 And soon enough will have wasted twenty years on this bullshit. 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:01.160 Welcome to the first quarantined becdel Cast. Yes, we are 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.679 recording separately in separate places. Um, we're meeting up over 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:12.120 Google Hangouts. Wow, shout out to Google, my King King Goog. 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.119 This is gonna be the two of us today and 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:21.600 we are doing National Treasure. I mean we figured, you know, 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.600 it's a tough time. We we got to bust out 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:26.960 some of the some of the some of the best 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.959 movies in American cannon to really tide you over during 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.039 this bizarre time. So and we also we will be 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.720 able to have guests over Google. Everyone is very quickly 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.760 adapting to this new and terrifying world we're in, so 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.840 that's good. Yes, so we will do some Quarantine episodes 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.800 with guests, um, but for today, it's just the two 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.800 of us. We really wanted to pick a bit, like 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:56.120 a really escapist media get people's minds off the pandemic. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.960 I thought we chose it because it's a very time 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:06.440 Emily critique of I thought we were like, now more 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.760 than ever, the content of National Treasure is very relevant. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.160 I mean, I cannot wait to talk about the socialist 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.639 ending sort of of the movie, right, the redistribute to 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:25.680 the people vibes, You're like, Okay, ne Gage, pretty, Bernie Sanders, God, 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.840 I mean, I I don't even know where to start 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:33.040 with Justin Bartha, I forgot that. We I like, oh 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.800 my god, we have so we're going to just have 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.960 fun today. We hope that you enjoy the episode. We 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.800 got very positive feedback when we tweeted that we were 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.280 going to be doing it so oh my god. Justin 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.560 Bartha's Wikipedia picture is literally a head shot from twenty 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.960 years ago. How embarrassing for him? What? Okay, well, we're 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.359 talking about National Treasure today and it's going to be 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.920 an absolute treat it will. Yeah, you're welcome, everybody, and 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.520 if you're if you're not familiar with the podcast, is 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.280 your maybe first episode? I hope, So I hope people 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.320 are getting into it in the car on you know 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.800 those like um Instagram story templates that are going around 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.000 where it's like, my favorite podcast is this The one 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.480 that makes me laugh the most is this one? And 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.680 then like some of them are like the one I 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.079 just discovered and a bunch of people have tagged us 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.320 like under that category is like the one they've just 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.359 like a podcast they've just discovered. So I think, yeah, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.840 there's some newcomers still every every day welcome and that 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.280 will lead to you and not lead to another podcast, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.400 and that will lead to another podcast and then we'll 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.000 be locked in our house for toys. There's there's so 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.880 many perfect line reads in this movie. It really boggles 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.360 the mind. Oh my gosh, Nicolas Cage, what what what 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.640 is he doing? Truly an icon? What is he ever doing? 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:00.240 That's why we love him so anyway, we we are 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.640 a feminist movie podcast. We use the Bechdel Test as 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.160 a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation about 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.880 representation of women in cinema. The Bechdel Test, of course, 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.720 is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.000 called the Bechdel Wallace Test, and it requires that two 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:23.200 female identifying characters who have been named speak to each 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:28.400 other about something other than a man, and by our standard, 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.120 it just has to be a two line exchange. So 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.359 we'll see if National Treasure can manage to pass the 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.560 Bechdel Tests. But if you're just listening at home, take 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:45.880 a wild guess, just take a what do you think that? 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.800 What are your instincts tell you? And then for this movie, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.960 really trust those instincts. Um they're Caitlyen. What is your 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:59.240 personal history with National Treasure one? Um. I decided to 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:05.279 take it upon myself to watch it for the first time, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:10.320 maybe like two years ago. I had never seen it, 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:15.400 like for sure going to cover this pretty much. Um, Yeah, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.080 I don't know. I never saw it. I didn't see 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.240 in theaters, never saw it growing up, never saw the 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.000 sequel until yeah, just a couple of years ago, and 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.640 I was just like, I wonder if this is any good, 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.520 I'm gonna watch it. And then I watched it and 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.040 I was like, you know what, this is surprisingly better 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.080 than I thought it was going to be. But I 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.960 didn't see this sequel until like yesterday, and I was like, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.800 fuck it, I'm gonna watch the National Treasure to watch that. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.600 I mean the scene I have not seen National Treasure too, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.120 and the scene you sent me is so like, is 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.800 this going to be the first episode where we have 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.960 to use audio clips because it's literally yes, you can't 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.680 describe it? Really? Let me play the one from the 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:06.720 first movie. You have them both? Yes, here is okay, 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:22.920 here we go, Okay, I wish what whoa? My god? 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:27.200 He was born to deliver that line? And then wait, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.440 do you have the one from National Treasure two? So 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.560 I have the one from National Treasure to which is 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:39.960 basically a freakishly identical line read for an equally wildline. Okay, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:48.040 show how am I going to get him alone? And 0:06:48.120 --> 0:07:00.920 then a kidnapping to prison United? Oh god. John Voight 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.200 is in this in that scene too where he goes 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.880 what there? Why is John Void in this movie? I 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.160 just like, I mean, I can't with John Voight. Okay, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.040 I will say just a couple of words when we 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.800 get into this discussion about national treasure too, because we 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.560 are focusing on the first one. But I like Helen Mirren, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.280 isn't it I did know that? What does she do? Oh? 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.200 Just wait, Okay, I'll leave some clues and then maybe 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.960 you'll figure out what the clues mean, and then maybe 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.600 you'll she is Nicolas Cage's mom, So I'm just giving 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.480 it away. Okay, So she's Oh, she plays John Void's 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.680 his wife, Yes, well his ex wife, his ex wife. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.000 But I feel like the first movie makes you think 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.880 that she's dead, but she's not. They bring her back 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.480 to life and it's Helen Mirren. Okay, because they do. Yeah, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.640 and the first one, John voids like you need to 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.240 appreciate the time you have, like the time with your mother, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.840 And I'm just like, that's a weird way to describe 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.200 a divorce. If the way like what you should have 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.400 just been a better husband. I don't know. And she 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.360 she addresses that, Helen mare and is like, you were 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.640 a really bad husband who didn't pay any attention to anyone, 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:17.040 but you're stupid treasure stuff. So he's this poor family 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:25.040 and their treasure related trauma. It's so sad, it's tragic. 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.640 So anyway, Jamie, what is your history and relationship with 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.240 National Treasure. I love this movie so much. I saw 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.880 it in theaters twice. It's still I Oh, I was. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.240 I was twelve when like I was like I was 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.920 the target demo for National Treasure. I loved it. My 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.720 cousins loved it, My brother loved it. My favorite bad 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.640 movie season of all time, the Holiday movie season of 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.240 two thousand four. You've got phandom of the Opera, you've 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.079 got National Treasure, you've got the really bad Series of 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.320 Unfortunate Events movie. You've got all hitters of like shitty, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:04.680 enduring movies that profoundly affected me. I loved the first 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.400 National Treasure. When I tweeted that we were doing this. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.520 My mom also, My mom loved this movie so much 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.440 to the point where she brought it us to it 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:18.800 a second time. And she had the hots for Bartha 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:23.640 because she like she responded to me with, like, oh 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:29.840 Riley Pool, what a dreamboats? Like she loves and she 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.400 remembered his character's name. Five years later, So wow, Yeah, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:38.320 that's impressive. Yeah, I'm I don't. I think that I 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.120 had maybe grown out of it by the time the 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.160 second one came out or something, because I didn't see 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.000 the second one, but I loved the first one so much, 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.840 and I like it's one of those weird, like childhood 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.120 movies where I found myself like remembering lines from it, 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.880 like I for some reason, the twist, maybe one of 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.679 the stupid er twists in the movie that has to 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.360 do with daylight savings time. Yes, you've referred to that 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:06.000 on the podcast before numerous times. Yes, like for some 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.720 reason really stuck with me. And then seeing where it 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.640 fell and like where in the second act it fell, 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.880 You're like, that's so stupid. What was the point of that? 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.520 That's so easily But there's oh those movie is like 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:24.520 all flash like guess what, guess what America the Founding Fathers, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.640 and then at the end they reveal this stolen treasure. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.400 It's all like the optics of the treasure is not good. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.439 I mean that's the case with most of these adventure 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:41.000 like treasure seeking narratives. Same with Indiana Jones. Yeah that's 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.640 not yours. Hey, Hey, I think um, Dora in the 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.200 Lost City handles it well. So if anyone is out 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.200 there looking for a kind of adventure treasure movie, that 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.560 does a good job. Dora was a great film and 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:01.560 I loved it a lot. So check that out. You'd 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.160 love to hear it. Yeah, no, it's so one of 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.199 my childhood faves. But I hadn't seen it in probably 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.600 ten years or something, so but I still remember too much. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:20.839 Turns out it's monumental. Get it monuments he turns out, 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.000 I mean, and then I'm looking back now, I'm like, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.680 this was a weird couple of years for Justin Bartha. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.000 This was like maybe his biggest role to date at 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.800 that time, and this was maybe his quote unquote star making. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.839 I mean, if we're calling Justin Bartha a star, which 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:42.080 I guess we're not um either way. National Treasure was 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.320 his first big role. Of course, his smaller role before 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:50.400 that being in Geli, which today was an absolutely cancelable offense. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.720 But in the early two thousand's there were no rules 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.800 and you could just be in Gelie and the next 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.440 year you could be in National Treasure, and the year 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.000 after that you could be in Failure to Launch. There 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.079 were no laws back then it was very different. It 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:09.600 was chaos. So anyways, um, this movie rules the rules. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:16.280 And speaking of chaos, let's do the recap. Oh, how 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.240 do you read? I do not envy right now? How 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:24.560 does one recap? National did my best? From the writers 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:32.319 that brought you snow Dogs and Bad Boys Too comes this. Yes, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:38.640 the credited screenwriters for this movie are Jim Kove, Cormack, Wibberly, 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.240 and Mary and Wibberly. So two men and one woman. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.120 I'm glad that there is a female writer on this movie, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.680 and I think that perhaps Abigail's character is slightly better 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:55.680 written because of her presence. I'm speculating. I mean, I 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.960 would hate to see what this movie would be without 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.720 this without one woman, because she it seems that she's 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.960 the only woman involved at like the higher level. But 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.880 I will say that a lot of times that you 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.040 see a female writer, it's like it seems like the 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.520 quality like she like I I don't mean to lessen 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.440 her role in it, like she it seems like she 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.679 did a lot of I mean, it's National Treasure, it's 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.000 a classic. But a lot of times where it's like 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.040 the one female writer on the team is part of 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.360 a husband wife writing team as opposed to just being 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:34.040 like hired on. You know, it's just it's the thing 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.360 that we've the one female writer thing has popped up 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.800 for us a lot and a lot of times it 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.679 is because of a husband. I don't know, I don't 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.439 feel any particular way about it, but I noticed it. Yeah. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:48.240 Same anyways, So here we go with the story. We 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:55.160 meet Ben Gates a k a. Benjamin Franklin Gates, um 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.200 of a horse. He's named after Benjamin Franklin Galen. My 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.000 brother who his name is Ben was so I remember, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.720 like he was just like immediately like if someone in 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.160 a movie has your name, you're like, yeah, that is me. Yeah, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.880 I like spit out my drink. When Christopher Plummer is 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.280 there as his grandpa, like when he's a kid, and 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.160 he's like, okay, Benjamin Franklin Gates, what are you doing 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.600 up here? Imagine being Christopher Blumber, one of the best 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.240 actors ever and then having to say that like it's 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.920 so like it's wild, yes, okay. So we meet him 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.280 as a young boy snooping around the attic of his 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.520 house and his grandfather, Christopher Plummer, comes in and he's 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.240 like his name George Washington Gates. We don't know what 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:47.040 his name is, right, um, Paul Revere Gates, and he 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.760 is like, okay, you're finally old enough, I'll tell you 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:55.280 about like our family history. So he tells them about 0:14:55.360 --> 0:15:00.600 this ancient treasure that's been passed around century after century. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.840 And these guys called the Night Nice are there, like 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:09.640 some old Christian organization that's vaguely scary, right, They found it. 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.280 They were kind of protecting it for a while, and 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.520 then they later became the Freemasons, or like a certain 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.080 chunk of them broke off and became the Freemasons, and 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:24.120 some of them were the founding fathers of the United States. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:31.520 And they hid the treasure from the British because they're like, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.160 fuck the British, we have our colonies, now we're cool. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:40.280 They hid the treasure and they planted all these clues 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:46.800 and maps to the treasure in different places, but all 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.880 these clues eventually got lost or forgotten. There's so many clues. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.200 They'll just lead to another clue and then we need another. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.920 No more claes. Also, John Voy's characters name is Patrick 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.360 Henry Gates, so they literally just the naming convention. In 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.200 his family is to just have a founding father and 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:13.240 then Gates, Yeah, that's all You're embarrassing, really honestly, so 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.640 embarrassing for them, like more defined to have to admit 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:23.520 your name is Benjamin Franklin. Gates, there an embarrassing family. Okay, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.320 So all the clues have been lost or forgotten except 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.960 for one, and this one clue is the Secret Lies 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.240 with Charlotte. I remembered this from five years ago and 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.600 this movie came out. I'm like, oh, right, the secret 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.360 does lie by Charlotte, but it's the place, not the 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.680 and right. So we learned that several generations of Ben's 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.560 family have been trying to find these clues so they 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.520 can find the treasure. And it all dates back to 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:57.000 like Christopher Plummer's grandfather, who like was hanging out with 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.400 this I don't even remember the guy's name, but he 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.880 was like the last surviving member of the people who 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.440 signed the Declaration of Independence, and he's like the Secret 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.920 lies with Charlotte. And then with almost any plot point 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.000 in this movie, you can end the sentence with like 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.199 or something and it doesn't really change your interpretation of it. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.720 You're like, I don't know, like that they're the clues 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.600 are gone or something, and so it's not good. Well 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.320 here's something that I just realized in real time here, Okay, 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.159 So the clue that they have is the secret lies 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.639 with Charlotte, And as we're about to find out, Nicholas 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.960 Cage's character finds the Charlotte. So like, what were all 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.760 those generations of families doing? Like what clues are they 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.400 talking about? Because like he just goes from that one 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.600 clue that they have and he finds the Charlotte, But like, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.400 what are all these other Like how do they waste? 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.760 Weird to believe that they have been looking for this 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.320 treasure for hundreds of years and have really not gotten 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.239 past the first clue? Right? So right, what are all 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.600 these clues that John Voight is talking about when he's 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.440 like and that'll lead you to another clue? Like which clues? 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.960 But like Ben Gates is just going off of that 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.199 one clue and he finds the Charlotte, Like what are 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.240 what are they talking about? Where has he been snooping 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.280 around for all these centuries? I don't know, I don't 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.920 know really understand it, but I do think it's fine. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:27.080 I mean, I want to believe that screenwriter Marianne Wibberly 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:32.640 is making commentary here on male mediocrity and saying that 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.840 because it has to do with the Knights, Templar and 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.399 especially the Freemasons, which still doesn't allow. Well, I have 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.960 that in context, corner, but like a group famously hostile 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:50.080 towards women, it's just been these guys fumbling around looking 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:56.400 for what Charlotte could mean for for two hundred plus years. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.240 Do you think they like went into shopping malls and 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.760 they're like, the sea lies with Charlotte, Charlotte Ruth. I 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.159 thought that maybe we're on the same way. Like that 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.840 was like the secret lives with Charlotte rus The secret 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.280 lives with Charlotte from Sex in the City. Who could 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.000 be the secret could lie with Kristin Davis. We don't know, Yeah, 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.280 we don't know. These are things people don't think about 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.080 and if they, if they had asked a woman, they 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:27.000 would have been like, have you considered Charlotte Ruth? If 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.560 you had asked, you know, it's it's it's it's something 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.240 to consider. It is indeed. Okay. So we cut to 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.159 Ben as an adult. He has grown up to be 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:43.119 Nicholas Cage and he is searching for Charlotte, which turns 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:47.960 out to be a ship buried in the ice in 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.840 the Arctic, and they explain how that would have happened. 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:56.439 But I don't understand something. Yeah, he has his is 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.199 this his apprentice? Like? Who is Riley? To him? Like 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:06.280 his little sidekick? He is basically the animal sidekick. Think 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.200 of Riley as like a little animated squirrel voice by 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.840 Justin Bartha. He basically serves the same function. He's like 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:19.800 a sexless creature who delivers punch lines, right, Because I 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.760 always this is a Disney movie and we cannot forget that. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.200 I think that they are using the Disney Renaissance formula. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.080 But they're like, well, we can't get an animated creature, 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.280 but Bartha is available, and Bartha is the next best thing, 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.200 so they got him in the mix. I think that 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.240 Justin Bartha actually does like he still doesn't make me 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.159 giggle a couple of times. I think they let him 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.639 improvise a little bit. I like when he says this 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:47.639 car smells weird U and I remember when I was 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.760 a kid racking up. At the end when they find 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:55.959 the treasure, he's like, it's a tall, bluish greenish man 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.119 with a strange goatee, and then he hugs him, and 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.800 then he hugs I'm like, Bartha's funny, but he is 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:07.280 just a little like cartoon assistant. Yeah, and speaking of 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.840 like people who cannot be critical of others goatees. Justin 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:16.120 Bartha got in this movie is did they give him 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.400 that facial hair? It's so weird. I think that they 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.160 just are like, no, he's an adult, you know, because 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.119 he just looks he has such a baby face. Maybe 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:26.959 I don't know, but like in the first scene when 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.000 they're in the Arctic, he has like just kind of 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.800 like a five o'clock shadow. But then by the next 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.440 scene when they're in the Library of Congress or whatever, 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:40.440 they've shaved it down, but it's it's still just like stubble. 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.720 It's not like a full beard. It's so weird. It 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:50.919 sucks um Anyway, So Riley Pool is there with Ben 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:55.720 in the Arctic. So is Ian. That's Sean Bean's character, 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.720 and then like one or two of his friends. So 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.399 they find the Charlotte, this ship and they go into 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:07.880 it and the next clue they find on a pipe, 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:12.520 and the clue is a riddle that Ben figures out 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:18.480 something must mean that there is a map, an invisible 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:22.119 nap on the back of the Declaration of Independence, and 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:28.520 then we're like, what this rules? This is the best 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.040 day of my life. There's a map on the back 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:34.439 of I wonder do you think this? Okay? Well, actually 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.480 I kind of know the answer, But this seems like 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:41.399 the part that Nicholas Cage was born to play. But 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.480 I don't what what do you know? It was he 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.919 the original I mean he was. I know that he 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.119 ended up being cast in OH three, but this project 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.679 was in development in the late nineties as well, And like, 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.840 I wonder who else was considered for this part because 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.800 I can't picture literally anyone else on the planet playing 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.640 Benjamin Franklin Gates than Nick Cage. And I don't mean 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.040 that as a compliment. I just can't think of anyone 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.719 else who could who could do it. Well, Okay, so 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:13.440 they're clearly pulling a lot from Indiana Jones, except character wise, like, 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:17.880 in no way does Nicolas Cage and his character Benjamin 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:22.520 Franklin Gates resemble Indiana Jones at all. And I and 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:28.680 I think that that is a compliment, Yes, sure, but 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.520 like Nicolas Cage isn't the type of like He's not 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.760 an action star, but for some reason, he keeps getting 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.840 cast in action movies. It's a beautiful mistake of history that, 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:45.600 like one of the strangest men to be born, has 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.280 been pegged as an action hero for some reason. Right, 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.640 I cannot make sense of it, But like, I don't 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.359 know who else was considered. I truly don't know why 0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.600 they ended up casting Nicolas Cage in this role. But 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:05.760 I'm also I'm similarly confused by Tom Hanks being cast 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.280 as the what's his face character from the Da Vinci 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:18.040 oh um, the whatever that that movie. I read that 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.360 whole book and was like, this is amazing, and then 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:25.000 the movie ha hack in spite of al for Malina's involvement, 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.959 right A for Molina is in it, He's fully in it. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.680 He's back in the robes. Baby, you gotta get Malina 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:37.280 in the Robes. Well, the Da Vinci Code and Angels 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:41.120 and Demons are basically like National Treasure but in Europe, 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.440 so you know, it's the same type of narrative and 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:49.080 weird casting choice I think with Tom Hanks, weird casting 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:53.359 choice I think was Nicolas Cage. But who could you 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:57.119 picture playing Benjamin Franklin Gates. Who could you picture saying 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.080 I'm going to steal the declaration of end up and 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:04.320 it's with such conviction. Oh sure, okay, So so the 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:08.480 way this script is written, yes, only Nicholas Cage can 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.960 do it. I think if they had written another draft 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:18.719 form for a normal person, it would have gone differently, 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.040 not like the other boys. Want okay, really quick. Just 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.600 because we are in the car, I wanted to say 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:29.960 that Freddie Molina has been posting the nicest quarantine content 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.960 to his fin stuff. I love it so much. Here's 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.359 my favor post. So it's the picture is this? It's 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:43.000 Freddy's easy chair with a pile of books next to it. 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:47.640 Caption says stay at home and avoid close contact please. 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:53.160 Actors have been doing that for generation. And then it's 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:57.080 the drama emoji, and then it's the film clapper emoji, 0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:58.959 and then it's a heart and I'm like, you know 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.840 what we are going to be line, He's amazing, What 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:05.080 a what a funny guy. Why do the imagine parody 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:11.240 when you could just post that. You know Freddie would 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.320