1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef In best 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Caitlin, I can't 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: do this podcast. What why? It's just gonna lead to 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: another clue and that's gonna lead to another clue. And 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: I've lost twenty years of my life to this and 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. I'm not gonna do the podcast. No, 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: that's me cause playing against John Voight that was great, 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't be funny. If you're like, I can't do this podcast, 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: It's just gonna lead to a spinoff podcast, and that's 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: going to lead to the podcast, which is how that works. 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: And soon enough will have wasted twenty years on this bullshit. 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the first quarantined becdel Cast. Yes, we are 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: recording separately in separate places. Um, we're meeting up over 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: Google Hangouts. Wow, shout out to Google, my King King Goog. 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: This is gonna be the two of us today and 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: we are doing National Treasure. I mean we figured, you know, 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: it's a tough time. We we got to bust out 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: some of the some of the some of the best 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: movies in American cannon to really tide you over during 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: this bizarre time. So and we also we will be 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: able to have guests over Google. Everyone is very quickly 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: adapting to this new and terrifying world we're in, so 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: that's good. Yes, so we will do some Quarantine episodes 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: with guests, um, but for today, it's just the two 27 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: of us. We really wanted to pick a bit, like 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: a really escapist media get people's minds off the pandemic. 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: I thought we chose it because it's a very time 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: Emily critique of I thought we were like, now more 31 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: than ever, the content of National Treasure is very relevant. 32 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot wait to talk about the socialist 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: ending sort of of the movie, right, the redistribute to 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: the people vibes, You're like, Okay, ne Gage, pretty, Bernie Sanders, God, 35 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't even know where to start 36 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: with Justin Bartha, I forgot that. We I like, oh 37 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: my god, we have so we're going to just have 38 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: fun today. We hope that you enjoy the episode. We 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: got very positive feedback when we tweeted that we were 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: going to be doing it so oh my god. Justin 41 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: Bartha's Wikipedia picture is literally a head shot from twenty 42 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: years ago. How embarrassing for him? What? Okay, well, we're 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: talking about National Treasure today and it's going to be 44 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: an absolute treat it will. Yeah, you're welcome, everybody, and 45 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: if you're if you're not familiar with the podcast, is 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: your maybe first episode? I hope, So I hope people 47 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: are getting into it in the car on you know 48 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: those like um Instagram story templates that are going around 49 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: where it's like, my favorite podcast is this The one 50 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: that makes me laugh the most is this one? And 51 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: then like some of them are like the one I 52 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: just discovered and a bunch of people have tagged us 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: like under that category is like the one they've just 54 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: like a podcast they've just discovered. So I think, yeah, 55 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: there's some newcomers still every every day welcome and that 56 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: will lead to you and not lead to another podcast, 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: and that will lead to another podcast and then we'll 58 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: be locked in our house for toys. There's there's so 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: many perfect line reads in this movie. It really boggles 60 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: the mind. Oh my gosh, Nicolas Cage, what what what 61 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: is he doing? Truly an icon? What is he ever doing? 62 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: That's why we love him so anyway, we we are 63 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: a feminist movie podcast. We use the Bechdel Test as 64 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation about 65 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: representation of women in cinema. The Bechdel Test, of course, 66 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes 67 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: called the Bechdel Wallace Test, and it requires that two 68 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: female identifying characters who have been named speak to each 69 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: other about something other than a man, and by our standard, 70 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: it just has to be a two line exchange. So 71 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: we'll see if National Treasure can manage to pass the 72 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: Bechdel Tests. But if you're just listening at home, take 73 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: a wild guess, just take a what do you think that? 74 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: What are your instincts tell you? And then for this movie, 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: really trust those instincts. Um they're Caitlyen. What is your 76 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: personal history with National Treasure one? Um. I decided to 77 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: take it upon myself to watch it for the first time, 78 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: maybe like two years ago. I had never seen it, 79 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: like for sure going to cover this pretty much. Um, Yeah, 80 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I never saw it. I didn't see 81 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: in theaters, never saw it growing up, never saw the 82 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: sequel until yeah, just a couple of years ago, and 83 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: I was just like, I wonder if this is any good, 84 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. And then I watched it and 85 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, this is surprisingly better 86 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: than I thought it was going to be. But I 87 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: didn't see this sequel until like yesterday, and I was like, 88 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm gonna watch the National Treasure to watch that. 89 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean the scene I have not seen National Treasure too, 90 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: and the scene you sent me is so like, is 91 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: this going to be the first episode where we have 92 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: to use audio clips because it's literally yes, you can't 93 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: describe it? Really? Let me play the one from the 94 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: first movie. You have them both? Yes, here is okay, 95 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: here we go, Okay, I wish what whoa? My god? 96 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: He was born to deliver that line? And then wait, 97 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: do you have the one from National Treasure two? So 98 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: I have the one from National Treasure to which is 99 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: basically a freakishly identical line read for an equally wildline. Okay, 100 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: show how am I going to get him alone? And 101 00:06:48,120 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: then a kidnapping to prison United? Oh god. John Voight 102 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: is in this in that scene too where he goes 103 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: what there? Why is John Void in this movie? I 104 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I can't with John Voight. Okay, 105 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: I will say just a couple of words when we 106 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: get into this discussion about national treasure too, because we 107 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: are focusing on the first one. But I like Helen Mirren, 108 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: isn't it I did know that? What does she do? Oh? 109 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: Just wait, Okay, I'll leave some clues and then maybe 110 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: you'll figure out what the clues mean, and then maybe 111 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: you'll she is Nicolas Cage's mom, So I'm just giving 112 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: it away. Okay, So she's Oh, she plays John Void's 113 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: his wife, Yes, well his ex wife, his ex wife. 114 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: But I feel like the first movie makes you think 115 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: that she's dead, but she's not. They bring her back 116 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: to life and it's Helen Mirren. Okay, because they do. Yeah, 117 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: and the first one, John voids like you need to 118 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: appreciate the time you have, like the time with your mother, 119 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, that's a weird way to describe 120 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: a divorce. If the way like what you should have 121 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: just been a better husband. I don't know. And she 122 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: she addresses that, Helen mare and is like, you were 123 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: a really bad husband who didn't pay any attention to anyone, 124 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: but you're stupid treasure stuff. So he's this poor family 125 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: and their treasure related trauma. It's so sad, it's tragic. 126 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, Jamie, what is your history and relationship with 127 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: National Treasure. I love this movie so much. I saw 128 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: it in theaters twice. It's still I Oh, I was. 129 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: I was twelve when like I was like I was 130 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: the target demo for National Treasure. I loved it. My 131 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: cousins loved it, My brother loved it. My favorite bad 132 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: movie season of all time, the Holiday movie season of 133 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: two thousand four. You've got phandom of the Opera, you've 134 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: got National Treasure, you've got the really bad Series of 135 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: Unfortunate Events movie. You've got all hitters of like shitty, 136 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: enduring movies that profoundly affected me. I loved the first 137 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: National Treasure. When I tweeted that we were doing this. 138 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: My mom also, My mom loved this movie so much 139 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: to the point where she brought it us to it 140 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: a second time. And she had the hots for Bartha 141 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: because she like she responded to me with, like, oh 142 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: Riley Pool, what a dreamboats? Like she loves and she 143 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: remembered his character's name. Five years later, So wow, Yeah, 144 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: that's impressive. Yeah, I'm I don't. I think that I 145 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: had maybe grown out of it by the time the 146 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: second one came out or something, because I didn't see 147 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: the second one, but I loved the first one so much, 148 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: and I like it's one of those weird, like childhood 149 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: movies where I found myself like remembering lines from it, 150 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: like I for some reason, the twist, maybe one of 151 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: the stupid er twists in the movie that has to 152 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: do with daylight savings time. Yes, you've referred to that 153 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: on the podcast before numerous times. Yes, like for some 154 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: reason really stuck with me. And then seeing where it 155 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: fell and like where in the second act it fell, 156 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: You're like, that's so stupid. What was the point of that? 157 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: That's so easily But there's oh those movie is like 158 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: all flash like guess what, guess what America the Founding Fathers, 159 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: and then at the end they reveal this stolen treasure. 160 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: It's all like the optics of the treasure is not good. 161 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: I mean that's the case with most of these adventure 162 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: like treasure seeking narratives. Same with Indiana Jones. Yeah that's 163 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: not yours. Hey, Hey, I think um, Dora in the 164 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Lost City handles it well. So if anyone is out 165 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: there looking for a kind of adventure treasure movie, that 166 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: does a good job. Dora was a great film and 167 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: I loved it a lot. So check that out. You'd 168 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: love to hear it. Yeah, no, it's so one of 169 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: my childhood faves. But I hadn't seen it in probably 170 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: ten years or something, so but I still remember too much. 171 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: Turns out it's monumental. Get it monuments he turns out, 172 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and then I'm looking back now, I'm like, 173 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: this was a weird couple of years for Justin Bartha. 174 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: This was like maybe his biggest role to date at 175 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: that time, and this was maybe his quote unquote star making. 176 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're calling Justin Bartha a star, which 177 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: I guess we're not um either way. National Treasure was 178 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: his first big role. Of course, his smaller role before 179 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: that being in Geli, which today was an absolutely cancelable offense. 180 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: But in the early two thousand's there were no rules 181 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: and you could just be in Gelie and the next 182 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: year you could be in National Treasure, and the year 183 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: after that you could be in Failure to Launch. There 184 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: were no laws back then it was very different. It 185 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: was chaos. So anyways, um, this movie rules the rules. 186 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: And speaking of chaos, let's do the recap. Oh, how 187 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: do you read? I do not envy right now? How 188 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: does one recap? National did my best? From the writers 189 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: that brought you snow Dogs and Bad Boys Too comes this. Yes, 190 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: the credited screenwriters for this movie are Jim Kove, Cormack, Wibberly, 191 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: and Mary and Wibberly. So two men and one woman. 192 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad that there is a female writer on this movie, 193 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: and I think that perhaps Abigail's character is slightly better 194 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: written because of her presence. I'm speculating. I mean, I 195 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: would hate to see what this movie would be without 196 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: this without one woman, because she it seems that she's 197 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: the only woman involved at like the higher level. But 198 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I will say that a lot of times that you 199 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: see a female writer, it's like it seems like the 200 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: quality like she like I I don't mean to lessen 201 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: her role in it, like she it seems like she 202 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: did a lot of I mean, it's National Treasure, it's 203 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: a classic. But a lot of times where it's like 204 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: the one female writer on the team is part of 205 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: a husband wife writing team as opposed to just being 206 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: like hired on. You know, it's just it's the thing 207 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: that we've the one female writer thing has popped up 208 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: for us a lot and a lot of times it 209 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: is because of a husband. I don't know, I don't 210 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: feel any particular way about it, but I noticed it. Yeah. 211 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Same anyways, So here we go with the story. We 212 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: meet Ben Gates a k a. Benjamin Franklin Gates, um 213 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: of a horse. He's named after Benjamin Franklin Galen. My 214 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: brother who his name is Ben was so I remember, 215 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: like he was just like immediately like if someone in 216 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: a movie has your name, you're like, yeah, that is me. Yeah, 217 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: I like spit out my drink. When Christopher Plummer is 218 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: there as his grandpa, like when he's a kid, and 219 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: he's like, okay, Benjamin Franklin Gates, what are you doing 220 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: up here? Imagine being Christopher Blumber, one of the best 221 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: actors ever and then having to say that like it's 222 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: so like it's wild, yes, okay. So we meet him 223 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: as a young boy snooping around the attic of his 224 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: house and his grandfather, Christopher Plummer, comes in and he's 225 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: like his name George Washington Gates. We don't know what 226 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: his name is, right, um, Paul Revere Gates, and he 227 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: is like, okay, you're finally old enough, I'll tell you 228 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: about like our family history. So he tells them about 229 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: this ancient treasure that's been passed around century after century. 230 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: And these guys called the Night Nice are there, like 231 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: some old Christian organization that's vaguely scary, right, They found it. 232 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: They were kind of protecting it for a while, and 233 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: then they later became the Freemasons, or like a certain 234 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: chunk of them broke off and became the Freemasons, and 235 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: some of them were the founding fathers of the United States. 236 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: And they hid the treasure from the British because they're like, 237 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: fuck the British, we have our colonies, now we're cool. 238 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: They hid the treasure and they planted all these clues 239 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: and maps to the treasure in different places, but all 240 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: these clues eventually got lost or forgotten. There's so many clues. 241 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: They'll just lead to another clue and then we need another. 242 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: No more claes. Also, John Voy's characters name is Patrick 243 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: Henry Gates, so they literally just the naming convention. In 244 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: his family is to just have a founding father and 245 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: then Gates, Yeah, that's all You're embarrassing, really honestly, so 246 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: embarrassing for them, like more defined to have to admit 247 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: your name is Benjamin Franklin. Gates, there an embarrassing family. Okay, 248 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: So all the clues have been lost or forgotten except 249 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: for one, and this one clue is the Secret Lies 250 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: with Charlotte. I remembered this from five years ago and 251 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: this movie came out. I'm like, oh, right, the secret 252 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: does lie by Charlotte, but it's the place, not the 253 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: and right. So we learned that several generations of Ben's 254 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: family have been trying to find these clues so they 255 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: can find the treasure. And it all dates back to 256 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: like Christopher Plummer's grandfather, who like was hanging out with 257 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: this I don't even remember the guy's name, but he 258 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: was like the last surviving member of the people who 259 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: signed the Declaration of Independence, and he's like the Secret 260 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: lies with Charlotte. And then with almost any plot point 261 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: in this movie, you can end the sentence with like 262 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: or something and it doesn't really change your interpretation of it. 263 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know, like that they're the clues 264 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: are gone or something, and so it's not good. Well 265 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: here's something that I just realized in real time here, Okay, 266 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: So the clue that they have is the secret lies 267 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: with Charlotte, And as we're about to find out, Nicholas 268 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: Cage's character finds the Charlotte. So like, what were all 269 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: those generations of families doing? Like what clues are they 270 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: talking about? Because like he just goes from that one 271 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: clue that they have and he finds the Charlotte, But like, 272 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: what are all these other Like how do they waste? 273 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Weird to believe that they have been looking for this 274 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: treasure for hundreds of years and have really not gotten 275 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: past the first clue? Right? So right, what are all 276 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: these clues that John Voight is talking about when he's 277 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: like and that'll lead you to another clue? Like which clues? 278 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: But like Ben Gates is just going off of that 279 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: one clue and he finds the Charlotte, Like what are 280 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: what are they talking about? Where has he been snooping 281 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: around for all these centuries? I don't know, I don't 282 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: know really understand it, but I do think it's fine. 283 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to believe that screenwriter Marianne Wibberly 284 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: is making commentary here on male mediocrity and saying that 285 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: because it has to do with the Knights, Templar and 286 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: especially the Freemasons, which still doesn't allow. Well, I have 287 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: that in context, corner, but like a group famously hostile 288 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: towards women, it's just been these guys fumbling around looking 289 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: for what Charlotte could mean for for two hundred plus years. 290 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: Do you think they like went into shopping malls and 291 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: they're like, the sea lies with Charlotte, Charlotte Ruth. I 292 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: thought that maybe we're on the same way. Like that 293 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: was like the secret lives with Charlotte rus The secret 294 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: lives with Charlotte from Sex in the City. Who could 295 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: be the secret could lie with Kristin Davis. We don't know, Yeah, 296 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: we don't know. These are things people don't think about 297 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: and if they, if they had asked a woman, they 298 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: would have been like, have you considered Charlotte Ruth? If 299 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: you had asked, you know, it's it's it's it's something 300 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: to consider. It is indeed. Okay. So we cut to 301 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: Ben as an adult. He has grown up to be 302 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage and he is searching for Charlotte, which turns 303 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: out to be a ship buried in the ice in 304 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: the Arctic, and they explain how that would have happened. 305 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: But I don't understand something. Yeah, he has his is 306 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: this his apprentice? Like? Who is Riley? To him? Like 307 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: his little sidekick? He is basically the animal sidekick. Think 308 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: of Riley as like a little animated squirrel voice by 309 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: Justin Bartha. He basically serves the same function. He's like 310 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: a sexless creature who delivers punch lines, right, Because I 311 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: always this is a Disney movie and we cannot forget that. 312 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: I think that they are using the Disney Renaissance formula. 313 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: But they're like, well, we can't get an animated creature, 314 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: but Bartha is available, and Bartha is the next best thing, 315 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: so they got him in the mix. I think that 316 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Justin Bartha actually does like he still doesn't make me 317 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: giggle a couple of times. I think they let him 318 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: improvise a little bit. I like when he says this 319 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: car smells weird U and I remember when I was 320 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: a kid racking up. At the end when they find 321 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 1: the treasure, he's like, it's a tall, bluish greenish man 322 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: with a strange goatee, and then he hugs him, and 323 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: then he hugs I'm like, Bartha's funny, but he is 324 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: just a little like cartoon assistant. Yeah, and speaking of 325 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: like people who cannot be critical of others goatees. Justin 326 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: Bartha got in this movie is did they give him 327 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: that facial hair? It's so weird. I think that they 328 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: just are like, no, he's an adult, you know, because 329 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: he just looks he has such a baby face. Maybe 330 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, but like in the first scene when 331 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: they're in the Arctic, he has like just kind of 332 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: like a five o'clock shadow. But then by the next 333 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: scene when they're in the Library of Congress or whatever, 334 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: they've shaved it down, but it's it's still just like stubble. 335 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: It's not like a full beard. It's so weird. It 336 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: sucks um Anyway, So Riley Pool is there with Ben 337 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: in the Arctic. So is Ian. That's Sean Bean's character, 338 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: and then like one or two of his friends. So 339 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: they find the Charlotte, this ship and they go into 340 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: it and the next clue they find on a pipe, 341 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: and the clue is a riddle that Ben figures out 342 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: something must mean that there is a map, an invisible 343 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: nap on the back of the Declaration of Independence, and 344 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: then we're like, what this rules? This is the best 345 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: day of my life. There's a map on the back 346 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: of I wonder do you think this? Okay? Well, actually 347 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: I kind of know the answer, But this seems like 348 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: the part that Nicholas Cage was born to play. But 349 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: I don't what what do you know? It was he 350 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: the original I mean he was. I know that he 351 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: ended up being cast in OH three, but this project 352 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: was in development in the late nineties as well, And like, 353 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I wonder who else was considered for this part because 354 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: I can't picture literally anyone else on the planet playing 355 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin Gates than Nick Cage. And I don't mean 356 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: that as a compliment. I just can't think of anyone 357 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: else who could who could do it. Well, Okay, so 358 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: they're clearly pulling a lot from Indiana Jones, except character wise, like, 359 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: in no way does Nicolas Cage and his character Benjamin 360 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Franklin Gates resemble Indiana Jones at all. And I and 361 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: I think that that is a compliment, Yes, sure, but 362 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: like Nicolas Cage isn't the type of like He's not 363 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: an action star, but for some reason, he keeps getting 364 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: cast in action movies. It's a beautiful mistake of history that, 365 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: like one of the strangest men to be born, has 366 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: been pegged as an action hero for some reason. Right, 367 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: I cannot make sense of it, But like, I don't 368 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: know who else was considered. I truly don't know why 369 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: they ended up casting Nicolas Cage in this role. But 370 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm also I'm similarly confused by Tom Hanks being cast 371 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: as the what's his face character from the Da Vinci 372 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: oh um, the whatever that that movie. I read that 373 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: whole book and was like, this is amazing, and then 374 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: the movie ha hack in spite of al for Malina's involvement, 375 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: right A for Molina is in it, He's fully in it. 376 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: He's back in the robes. Baby, you gotta get Malina 377 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: in the Robes. Well, the Da Vinci Code and Angels 378 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: and Demons are basically like National Treasure but in Europe, 379 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: so you know, it's the same type of narrative and 380 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: weird casting choice I think with Tom Hanks, weird casting 381 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: choice I think was Nicolas Cage. But who could you 382 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: picture playing Benjamin Franklin Gates. Who could you picture saying 383 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to steal the declaration of end up and 384 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: it's with such conviction. Oh sure, okay, So so the 385 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: way this script is written, yes, only Nicholas Cage can 386 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: do it. I think if they had written another draft 387 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: form for a normal person, it would have gone differently, 388 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: not like the other boys. Want okay, really quick. Just 389 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: because we are in the car, I wanted to say 390 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: that Freddie Molina has been posting the nicest quarantine content 391 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: to his fin stuff. I love it so much. Here's 392 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: my favor post. So it's the picture is this? It's 393 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: Freddy's easy chair with a pile of books next to it. 394 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: Caption says stay at home and avoid close contact please. 395 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: Actors have been doing that for generation. And then it's 396 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: the drama emoji, and then it's the film clapper emoji, 397 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 1: and then it's a heart and I'm like, you know 398 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: what we are going to be line, He's amazing, What 399 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: a what a funny guy. Why do the imagine parody 400 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: when you could just post that. You know Freddie would 401 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: never participate in something like that, and that is partially 402 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: why um he's one of the only men allowed on 403 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: the show m anyways, Um, well, that feels like a 404 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: good place to take a break, even though we're in 405 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: the middle of the recap. But you know, it's unhinged 406 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: here in quarantine Bechtel cast Land. So we're all out 407 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: of sorts, so let's take a quick break and then 408 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: we'll come right back. Okay, we're back, and we've got 409 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: more recap to do. Yeah, okay, So Ben has just 410 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: figured out there must be an invisible map on the 411 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: back of the Declaration of Independence. And then Sean Bean's character, 412 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: You'll never believe this, but he turns out to be 413 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: a bad guy because not d nine percent of the 414 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: time Sean Bean is playing the bad guy. Well except 415 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: for when he's in Gammul Thronge, that's true. That's one 416 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: of the few exceptions. But he's normally the bad guy, 417 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: and this movie is no exception. And he says, well, 418 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to steal the Declaration of Independence, and everyone's like, 419 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, what is that a hairpiece? That hairpiece. 420 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: It took me twenty minutes to realize it was Sean 421 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: Bean because of that weird blonde hairpiece they like super 422 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: glued to his scalp. It's really bad. But I just 423 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: assumed is that just not his real hair? If it is, 424 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: he's in deep trouble. I like that. I have to 425 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: believe that that's not his real hair, or it's the 426 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: weirdest dye job I've ever. It's a bad cut me 427 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: it's like a natural blonde. Yeah, well, sound off in 428 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: the comments, but I think I'm just really bad at 429 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: telling when someone's wearing a wig. I just assume everyone's 430 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: hair is their actual hair. I don't know now that 431 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at his natural hair, like it could be 432 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: his natural hair. But if so, like for shame on 433 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: whoever was styling these actors, because they gave Justin Bartha 434 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: that goatee and Sean being that haircut. I mean, Nicholas 435 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: Cage's hair is well, but when has that been good? 436 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean it was fine and moonstruck I think, but 437 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: like maybe since the late eighties he's had some really 438 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: weird those hair plugs. Is that's what's happening. I think 439 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: he's rocking some plugs in that tresh. I also have 440 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: curiosities about because this is produced by Jerry Bruckheimer. It's 441 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: a Bruckheimer joint, so that brings vneersers because if you have, 442 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: if you're new to the show, we can't stop talking 443 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: about it. Jerry Bruckheimer famously, along with Lauren Michaels, makes 444 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: his actors get veneers and I was keeping an eye 445 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: on it, and I mean Cage for sure has veneers. 446 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say whether Bruckheimer was involved 447 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: or whether he got them of his own volition. Diane Krueger, 448 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. She may just have gorgeous naturals. Uh 449 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: Sean Bean for sure a veneers and Justin Bartha another 450 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: person who's kind of in the air for me. But 451 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: Bruckheimer does not let narry a crooked tooth on a set. 452 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: You will yank him out and throw in some porcelain 453 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: ones like. It's just it's very dark. The reality of 454 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: a Bruckheimer set. I can't even imagine anyway. Okay, so 455 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: you know we've got Nick Cage. He's got his weird hair. 456 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: He's got also in the second movie. At least in 457 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: the first movie his hair looks passable because he has 458 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: some small sideburns, but they shave his sideburns in the 459 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: second movie, so he just has this weird like mop 460 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: with no it's so weird you, Jamie. I insist you 461 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: watch National Treasure too, I really want. I mean, based 462 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: on that alone, right, um incredible, it's out of control 463 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: and his hair is somehow worse anyway. So Benjamin Franklin 464 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: Gates is like, you can't just steal the Declaration of Independence, 465 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: and Sean Bean is all like, well, I want treasure. 466 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: So they have an altercation about it. There's this big explosion, 467 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: there's much of gunpowder. Then they all kind of runaway 468 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: and part ways, and Ben and Riley have to warn 469 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of government agencies that the Declaration of Independence 470 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: is going to be stolen, including they tell Abigail Chase. 471 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: And she works at like the National Archives. I think, so, 472 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: I think, I wonder. I'm curious about the historical accuration. 473 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, is her office really just behind the Declaration 474 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: of Independence? Is that a location? And metting this? I 475 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know either. It didn't seem real, 476 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: but she's there and she works in the archives, and um, 477 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: she doesn't believe them. No one believes them. So Ben 478 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: is like, well, I guess we have to steal the 479 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence for ourselves. Love it. He wants to 480 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: steal it to protect it from Sean Bean before he 481 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: can get to it. So then there's this heist sequence 482 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: and they successfully steal the Declaration of Independence, but Abigail 483 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: is suspicious of Ben while this is happening. This is 484 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: all happening during a gala, and she's kind of tailing him, 485 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: and then Sean Bean is also there trying to steal 486 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: the document, and then there's this big chase scene with Ben, 487 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: the bad guys and Abigail. They fooling her out of 488 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: a tor ruck. Oh my, it's the whole thing. She's 489 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: damn ms old and then she's damseled kind of for 490 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: a second time. She's double kidnapped, right, So Ben saves 491 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: her a k A. He kidnaps her from her previous kidnappers, 492 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: and he and Riley and Abigail get away with the 493 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: real Declaration of Independence, and Abigail is understandably very mad 494 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: that they stole it, but they're like, stop yelling. There's 495 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: so much to talk about with that sequence, um, But 496 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: basically she refuses to let it out of her sight, 497 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: so she agrees to go with them to Ben's father's house. 498 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: Enter John Void, which for context, during his difficult years 499 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: with his daughter Angelina, who by the way, Okay, So 500 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: another movie or another franchise that is very similar to 501 00:32:54,320 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: National Treasure is Laura Croft. Tomb writer John voy plays 502 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: basically the opposite, the same, but the opposite in the 503 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: sense that in Lotta Craft, John Voyd's character is dead 504 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: but he loves treasure hunting and he loves the clues. 505 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: He loves leaves being clues behind all that. In National Treasure, 506 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: he's alive and he is so over the clues he 507 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: doesn't want any part of it. He's like, um, actually, 508 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: treasure is over. He's so sick of treasure. He makes 509 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: all these weird claims to like I I Also another 510 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: John Voit line that I've remembered from this movie for 511 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: some reason is when he invites everyone in and he 512 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: says something sexist at the door, and then he lets 513 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: them and then he lets me. It's also it's like 514 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: the most frustrating kind of misogynist line because it doesn't 515 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: even make sense where You're like where this is coming from. 516 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: But he lets them in and then he's like, so 517 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: there's pizza in the other room, and you're like, what 518 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: is that line? Like what? How? Why? Does John Voight 519 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: have enough pizza for four people cooling off? And then 520 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: Justin Barthe is like, yum yum. He's the squirrel. He's 521 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: the little animal. He's a creature. He's like, oh no, no, no, 522 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: no no. The first draft in the first round of 523 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: National Treasure, Jorgan Johnsin Barthe's character is a little squirrel. 524 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: Never dark, no, no, no, no none. Justin Barthe, I 525 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: mean whatever, if you see his performance in Julie, you'll 526 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: never feel bad for him again. Oh my god, his 527 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: character is so weird. It's so weird. Anyway, So yeah, 528 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: they go to John Voyd's house. Yes, they go to 529 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: John Boy's house. And then they use lemon juice. It's 530 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: literally invisible ink that you would use in like the 531 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: fourth grade, and they bring it out by using lemon 532 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: juice and hair dryers, and they reveal this secret code 533 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: that is on the back of the document and it 534 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: turns out to be a cipher. But they need these letters, 535 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: the do Good letters or something that we're written by 536 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin, the original not Benjamin Franklin. Gates so frustrating, 537 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: it's so embarrassing. Oh I love it. I hope that 538 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: then like there's National Treasure, Like I think National Treasure 539 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: three is allegedly happening. I've heard that, yes, but I 540 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: hope that it's like there's like now another kid in 541 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: the mix, and it's like James Madison Gates needs to 542 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: steal like George Washington's teeth because there's a map inside. 543 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that if that's not the plot, 544 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: then someone in Hollywood is fucking up. Okay, So they're like, okay, 545 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: we need the the Silence do Good letters. But John 546 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: Voight does not have them anymore because he donated them 547 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: because he thinks treasure hunting is silly. He's over at 548 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: treasure hunting made him a bad father right and now, 549 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: and he's making amends by apparently never hanging out with 550 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: his son. So now Ben Riley and Abigail have to 551 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: go to the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia to decipher the 552 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: code using these letters that leads them to the Liberty 553 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: Bell and Independence Hall. And it's also at this point 554 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: in the story when Ben and Abigail start vibing. It's 555 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: like in a dressing room right in an urban outfitters. 556 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: Every other other GIF forever twenty one being like so 557 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: like what's your story? Like what the fund is that? Um? Also, 558 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: and this has already been happening, but um, Harvey Kitel 559 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: is in the movie, and he is I think is 560 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: the FBI. I don't know. He's leading the investigation to 561 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: find Ben and recover the Declaration of Independence. I like, 562 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: I like Harvey Kitel, and he's in it just enough 563 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: you almost forget he's in it, and then he's in 564 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: it again, and then he's gone for an hour and 565 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: you're like, this movie is also too long for what 566 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: it is? Long? Yes, far too long. Also, Harvey Kitel 567 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: is kind of playing the sav exact character that he 568 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: played in Elman Louise, where he's like law enforcement, but 569 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: he's also like, but I want to be your friend, 570 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to help you, help help me, help her. 571 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 1: Hotel has good has like big not all cops energy, 572 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know how productive this is, right, Like, 573 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like I'm not on board with it. 574 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: But then when you put Harvey Kitel in the mixture, 575 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's confusing. Also, I wanted to 576 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: just quickly shout out Diane Krueger, a woman that only 577 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: existed for about three or four years and then she disappears. Yeah, 578 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen her in really anything else. 579 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: She actually has, but I'm not giving her enough cry. 580 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: But she I remember her from um Inglorious Bastards. She's 581 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: in that. Um. She was also in a movie I 582 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: never have seen it, never will But Troy comes out 583 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: the same year as I did see that. Yeah, I 584 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: saw that in theaters. That's the That's what I was 585 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: seeing in two thousand four. So she she was Helen 586 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: in Troy. Helen of Troy, got it. Yeah, she started 587 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: the whole war. It's all it's all women's fault. Um. 588 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: So she was like she was a big thing in 589 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: like the mid two thousands. But she's still she's still working. 590 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: She um. I don't mean to downplay her talent, but 591 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: she this was like I think peek her her like 592 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: this and and Inglorious Bastard were her too, like big moments. 593 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: So far. She from Germany, she is. Yeah, it seems 594 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: like I wonder they kind of reverse engineered the character 595 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: to be for her because she is German American. She 596 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: started as a model and then got cast as Helen 597 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: of Troy. And then unlike some model actors ended up 598 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: being a pretty like a solid actor and is the 599 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: still working actor now. He's good for her. The go 600 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: I ask because so she hasn't a German accent that 601 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: Ben Gates detects when he first meets her. But that 602 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: interaction is so weird because he says, oh your accent 603 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: are you Pennsylvania Dutch? And Pennsylvania Dutch for anyone who 604 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: doesn't know refers to Amish people, I'm pretty sure. So 605 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: he's asking her if she's Amish and she's like, no, 606 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: Saxony German or something like why does he think she's 607 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: Amish or why does I don't know? It was just like, 608 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: am I maybe I'm missing something or maybe I'm misinterpreting that, 609 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: but I'm just like, there's no such thing in this movie. 610 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: Like that was a very bizarre and I mean that 611 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: whole interaction is it is unfortunately the most like one 612 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: of the more empowering moments for for Abigail where you're like, oh, 613 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: she's in charge of the scene. She's telling Nick Cage 614 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: that what he's asking for is unreasonable and stupid, but 615 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: he's still God. And then when he oh, my favorite 616 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: line in the movie that I'm like, what is this is? 617 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: When you know how he like sends her whatever the 618 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: campaign button that she didn't or something, he sends her 619 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: something that she wanted and it's like, hey, babe, good 620 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: talking to you today. L O L love Paul because 621 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: he's Paul in his scenario. But when that arrives, it's 622 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: one of the only interactions with two women in the 623 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: entire movie. Like her, I think her receptionist brings it 624 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: to her and then what does she say? She says, 625 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: I have it written down. She's like, what is this? 626 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: I hope it's not from Stand Stand? When you're like, 627 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: who stand? And why are you? Why they are? The 628 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: fact that they went through the trouble of writing that 629 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: line down and we never find out who Stand is 630 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: or why she can't get rid of him? Is he 631 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: an X? Is he a creep? Like? What is his right? 632 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: Especially because like if we or if we used like 633 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: the metric of the Bechdel tests that like we didn't 634 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: need to know the character's name, because I don't think 635 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: we learned her assistance name, but like they do have 636 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,959 Speaker 1: an interaction where the assistant is like, this just came 637 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: for you, and then Abigail responds by saying, I hope 638 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: it's not from stand but if she, I know, she ruined. 639 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: She like that could have passed, like that small interaction, 640 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: like by someone else's standards, that maybe could have passed, 641 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: but like for no reason, She's like, but I have 642 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: to mention a man's name, like writers would rather invent 643 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: a fictional male character, like a person that. I mean, 644 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: they're all fictional, but like a character that it never 645 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: appears on screen or his referenced again, and that's why 646 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't pass the easy. Becktel tests right, Becktel tests light. Um, 647 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: But I just I was really fair. I was, and 648 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: then I paid really close attention to there as the movie, 649 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: saying if Stan ever comes up, he doesn't and I 650 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: don't think so no, no, no, good grief. All right, Well, anyway, 651 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 1: so they're in Philadelphia now, and then finds a pair 652 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: of old timey three D glasses that Benjamin Franklin invented, 653 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: and he looks through them and sees a clue on 654 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: the back of the Declaration of Independence about a wall 655 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: here at the wall, but they don't know what that 656 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: means yet, and Sean Bean and his goons are right there. 657 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: They're right on their tail, they chase them on foot, 658 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: and then Sean Bean manages to get his hands on 659 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence. And then this is when Harvey 660 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: kitel Catch is up with Ben Gates and arrests him, 661 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: and you know, because it's the low point of the movie, honey. 662 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: Then Sean Bean arranges for Ben to meet him. What 663 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: is Sean Bean's ka I think it's ian Ian arranges 664 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: for Ben to meet him in New York with the 665 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: glasses so that he can get the treasure. And they 666 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: all go to a church on Wall Street, and John 667 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: Voight is also there now because I guess he's been 668 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: kidnapped by the bad guys. But when they go to 669 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 1: the tomb where they think the treasure is going to be, 670 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 1: it's empty. And Ben and his dad are like, oh, 671 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: well the lantern. That must be another clue. We have 672 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: to go to Boston. And Sean Bean's like, okay, I'm 673 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: going to Boston, and but they he he's shipping out 674 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: to Boston the job kick Murphy's but he traps Ben 675 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: and his friends and leaves him behind. So while Sean 676 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: Bean is gone, Ben is like, psych the treasure is here. 677 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: And then justin byrthe is likes yes, yes, yes, yes, um. 678 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: And then so they hit some like wall buttons and 679 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: they reveal a secret door that leads to the treasure room, 680 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: but oh no, it's also empty. But then they're like, wait, 681 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: this can't be it. There's gotta be treasure here. And 682 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: then they find like a thing on the wall and 683 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: they put the pipe in it and that unlocks the 684 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: door to the real treasure room, which is enormous and 685 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: it's full of treasure, and everyone's like, yeay, we did it. 686 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: And then this is also the I mean, we know 687 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: the whole time that, like like eighty percent of movies, 688 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: it's sig very clear to us that ultimately this is 689 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 1: a movie about fathers and sons, right yes. John Voyd's like, 690 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so proud of you. You're so cool, Ben, 691 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: You're so smart. You did it. Dad's in the audience 692 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 1: start tearing up like I wish he had said that 693 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: to me. Um. And then Ben calls Harvey Kitel, who 694 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 1: also turns out to be a freemason. Interesting, right, which 695 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: you're like, weird reveal. Does that payoff in national treasure 696 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: to it all? Or is that just kind of a 697 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: thing that happens sort of because he does. Harvey Kitel 698 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,879 Speaker 1: is back for the sequel. Baby, everyone is back back. 699 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: Everyone's back, yep, I mean Bartha for sure, it is back. 700 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: He's got nothing better to day. He's so do anything. 701 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: Sean Bean is not back because he gets put in 702 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: jail spoiler alert, but he gets replaced with Ed Harris. 703 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: That's a that's a well no, no offense to Bean, 704 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: but that's an upgrade. I think that, honestly, National Treasure 705 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 1: is a of all the jokey ways that we insert 706 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: Alfred Molina into various cinematic universes. I feel like his 707 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: absence from the National Treasure extended universe is actually glaring. 708 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: It is noticeable. This seems like a franchise he would 709 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: be involved in. I think either as like a professor 710 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: who helps reveal a clue, or if he goes Molina villain, 711 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: which we love to see. But I know why. I 712 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: want to say that Molina was offered Bean's part. But 713 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, and I know what Alfred Billina was doing 714 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand four. Was he being a duck doc? Yeah, 715 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: he had a bigger fish to fry that year, honey. 716 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying for National Treasure three, it's not 717 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: too late, and he does this does seem to me 718 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: like a franchise that he would get offers within he 719 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: thrive right, well, because he's in Raiders of the Lost Ark. 720 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,959 Speaker 1: Yeah right, this is his vibe, like he if he's 721 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: not in National Treasure three, something is seriously wrong unless he's, 722 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: of course starring in the respute and movie that I 723 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:20,439 Speaker 1: will be writing and directing. Incredible. Okay, So so Ben 724 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: calls Harvey Kitel. He turns out to be a freemason, 725 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: and Ben is like, don't put me in jail. Also, 726 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,720 Speaker 1: this treasure should be donated to museums all over the world. 727 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: Give it back to the people. Also, send Sean Bean 728 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: to prison instead of me. And then Harvey Kitel is like, 729 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: cool beans, you got it, dude. That's he's literally what 730 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: he says. He's like, cool freaking beans. Then we cut 731 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: to um Ben and Abigail. They are together, they're holding hands, 732 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: they're kissing. They've negotiated that Ben and Riley each get 733 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,280 Speaker 1: a small percentage of the treasure. I think they split 734 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: one percent, but that was enough to allow Ben to 735 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: buy an enormous state. Riley has bought a very nice car. 736 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: He thinks they should have gotten more of the treasure well. 737 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: And also Riley only got credited as an assistant, which 738 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily seem fair. It seems like he was doing 739 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: half the work. It's better than what Abigail gets, which 740 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: is no credit at all. Whole I know, well that's true. 741 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: They're like, just don't fire her. Yeah, And I'm like, 742 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: are you. I have a whole spiel about that, but um, 743 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and then we'll come right 744 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:48,240 Speaker 1: back to discuss. And we're back where do we start? 745 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Abigail is the bulk of the discussion to 746 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: be had here. Abigail. I mean, it's I feel like, 747 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 1: very typical of this franchise, which is like, this is 748 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: like action for it, but it's still an action movie basically. 749 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 1: But in like many action franchises, there is one female 750 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: character who is vaguely written to seem vaguely empowering but 751 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: ultimately kind of isn't. And then she never has a 752 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 1: woman to talk to. And I feel that that habit 753 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: trend mistake is held up in National Treasure. Who is it? Yes? Indeed, 754 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: because and I feel like like down to kind of 755 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: I almost want to see if you can map out 756 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: like how this happens, because I feel like this, I mean, 757 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: shout out if you have any similar people that you 758 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: can think of in this genre. But the fact that 759 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: she is at first presented to us as hypercompetent and 760 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 1: in a place of authority, but that's the only scene 761 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: where that is everything. So it's almost like this like 762 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: whatever trick that writers will kind of play on you 763 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,799 Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, she is really good at her job, 764 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: she's really empowered, has a expertise that is needed for 765 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: this mission, but you're never gonna see her in a 766 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: leadership role again, She's never gonna impact the plot in 767 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: a meaningful way, and the next time you see her, 768 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: she's going to be damseled. So I feel like this 769 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: does happen, I mean, does that happen in the Indiana 770 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: Jones franchise as well? Definitely, especially in the like the 771 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: first in the third one. The female characters in those 772 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: are presented as being like there's kind of a reason 773 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: that they end up being the woman in the story 774 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: because for the first one, Raids of the Lost Dark, 775 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: Marian Ravenwood has the medallion that he needs, so like, 776 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: that's why he approaches her, and then that's like they 777 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: get partnered up from there. In Last Crusade, Dr Schneider, 778 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,359 Speaker 1: she's like a professor of antiquities or some kind of 779 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 1: some expert in the field of antiquities, and she links 780 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: up with Indiana Jones because she is also looking for 781 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: the Holy Grail. In the second movie, like the one 782 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,760 Speaker 1: female character in that movie just gets like dragged along 783 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: by accident. It's frustrating. I think it is kind of 784 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: like almost a little magic trick that writers will do 785 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: to ward off the feminists, to be like, no, we 786 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: do know what her job is, which is good but 787 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: bare minimum ship, and like, yeah, she is good at 788 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 1: a job which is good, but it's bare minimum ship. 789 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,880 Speaker 1: And then she's relegated to the sexy sidekick role who 790 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 1: hangs out with the squirrel right exactly because so she's 791 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: the only major female character in the story, which is 792 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,840 Speaker 1: very typical of this genre. She is only important to 793 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,439 Speaker 1: the story because she gets dragged along, not because like 794 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: she made any real active choice to be a part 795 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: of the story. She gets like literally dragged into the 796 00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,120 Speaker 1: scenario which she acknowledges in the movie. Um in that 797 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: line where you know John Voyde like, oh, did Marston 798 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: drag you guys into this? And she's like yes, literally, um, 799 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,280 Speaker 1: but like that's not good enough. Really, that doesn't excuse 800 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: that being the reason that she's there. Um. And then 801 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: like you said, like she's she we know her job is, 802 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: she's good at her job. She has this expertise in 803 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 1: historical documents and US history, I guess, and that is 804 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 1: occasionally shown, but but it's never information that Nicholas Cage 805 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 1: doesn't already know. Yeah, Like they literally recite information in 806 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: unison at multiple points, right, Because so that I found 807 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: that really frustrating on the rewatch because I'm like, oh, 808 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 1: she does know stuff, but then as you keep watching, 809 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: You're like, but it's nothing he doesn't know already, and 810 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: so it's another empty gesture. So she does nothing to 811 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: ever propel the story forward. And the one time I 812 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: was like, oh, she kind of does something that he 813 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: doesn't or can't do, it's when she puts the lemon 814 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: juice on the back of the Declaration of Independence, because 815 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: she's like, he was about to do he would have 816 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: been able to do. He just like might have done 817 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: it a little more haphazardly than her. But like and 818 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: John Voyd is the one to know, is the one 819 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,879 Speaker 1: who knows how invisible ink works, and he's like, you 820 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: have to apply heat and then they do that sexy, breathing, 821 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:23,680 Speaker 1: flirtatious creepy thing they go, and then you're like, oh, 822 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: my god, grows, what does Nicholas Cage just breath smell like? 823 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: My imagine? I mean, Diane Krueger, please report from the trenches, 824 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,319 Speaker 1: like what does Nicholas Cage just breath smell like? Um? Yeah, 825 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,319 Speaker 1: So that ended up being an empty gesture too, because 826 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 1: it's like he it's presented like he lets her do it. 827 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: She literally just swabs lemon juice onto it and then 828 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,319 Speaker 1: doesn't know to breathe on it. So yeah, and I 829 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,399 Speaker 1: mean the only time that she impacts the story, I mean, 830 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: they're all easily written out, because it's like you could 831 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: write out her being kidnapped by Sean Bean and then 832 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: un kidnapped by Sean Bean and not would really change. 833 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: She is the one. I mean, I guess it's like 834 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: her mistake or her like panicked during the chase that 835 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,399 Speaker 1: loses them the declaration, So something's her fault and then right, 836 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 1: but that's like her being that's a passive saying on 837 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: her exactly like she trips, which is like that has 838 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 1: nothing to be with her, and then the payoff we 839 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,399 Speaker 1: get for that is Nick Cage later says it wasn't 840 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,439 Speaker 1: her fault and then she surprised kisses her after Okay, yes, 841 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,439 Speaker 1: So I kind of want to go through just sort 842 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,879 Speaker 1: of like beat by beat, every story point that she 843 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,360 Speaker 1: is involved in in what exactly happens, starting with the 844 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: way she's introduced, which is another case of like the 845 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: person you thought was gonna be a man is actually 846 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,280 Speaker 1: a woman. Because what happens here is Ben and Riley 847 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: are waiting outside of doctor Chase's office. They don't know 848 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: who Dr Chase is or what gender doctor Chases, but 849 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 1: they assume that doctor Chase is a man. Right. The 850 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: assistant comes out and says, doctor Chase will see you now, 851 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: and this is in the middle of Riley making a 852 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: comment about, you know, being kept down by the man. 853 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: The door to the office opens, revealing that Dr Chase 854 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: is a woman, and then Riley is like a very 855 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 1: cute man because he's like kept down by the man, 856 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:37,760 Speaker 1: a very cute man, and they're like, okay, squirrel has enough, alright, 857 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: So next thing that happens is where at the night 858 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: of the Gala, when Ben is trying to steal the 859 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence, He's like handing her a glass so 860 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,879 Speaker 1: that he's able to get her fingerprints later. And then 861 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 1: Riley is like on the little like earpiece on his 862 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: like calm link or whatever. Riley is a hacker. He's 863 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,760 Speaker 1: got the whole set up. He's in a separate truck 864 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,440 Speaker 1: or something. Yes, And so you know, Ben is talking 865 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: to Abigail and Riley is like, who's that? Is that? 866 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,160 Speaker 1: That hot girl? How does she look? And we're just like, 867 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,759 Speaker 1: You're like, can you relax, squirrel, like please. He also 868 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: later says that means declaration lady is behind you, and 869 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: it's like, why do you think she's mean? Like she 870 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 1: was just doing her job by not letting you look 871 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: at the Declaration of Independence. That whole scene of them 872 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,920 Speaker 1: like like pain pong nagging her and calling her annoying 873 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 1: and telling her to shut up, Like I have some 874 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 1: of them written down because it's say so agregious, because 875 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 1: it's like we know as human beings that she was 876 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: just kidnapped by Sean Bean flung out of a truck. 877 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,719 Speaker 1: And then kidnapped by Nicholas Cage and she has to 878 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,799 Speaker 1: protect the Declaration of Independence. She's having a horrible day, 879 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 1: and so she's allowed to say anything she wants. But 880 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 1: it's like Nick Cage the second she gets into the 881 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,799 Speaker 1: truck immediately begins nagging her. Um. He says, she really 882 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: can't shut her mouth, can she? And then later he 883 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,360 Speaker 1: once they're parked, he lets her hold the Declaration of Independence. 884 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: He is like, you can hold this if you promise 885 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: to shut up. Yes, there's so, I have them all 886 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: written down. At first, he says, can you please stop shouting? 887 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 1: She's yelling give me that. Referring to the Declaration of Independence, 888 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: He says, you're still shouting and it's really starting to annoy. 889 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: You would do well to be a bit more civilized 890 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: in this instance. He also says when he says to 891 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: annoy and not annoy me, that is low key and 892 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: iconic Nick Cage moment where it's like and it's starting 893 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: to annoy. You're like what, You're like, where did you 894 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: learn to be a person? Okay? Yeah, who taught you? 895 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah? And then you're like, wait, he's an appetism 896 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: who knows right? Right? Right? Um? Then she is continuing 897 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,280 Speaker 1: again understandably to like she's freaking out, she's yelling, she 898 00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: swears in German, and then he says your shower again, 899 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 1: and Riley's like pretty sure she's swearing too, yeah, oh yeah. 900 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 1: And Riley is also loving it. No one stands up 901 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,200 Speaker 1: for her. Riley is like te hee he nick Cage's 902 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 1: epic like, I loved him, I love him, I wanted 903 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 1: him to be my best friend forever um. And then 904 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: later when Ben is telling her about the silence two 905 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,560 Speaker 1: good letters, he keeps saying, you know, quiet, please, now shush. 906 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: She really can't keep her mouth shut, can't she Yeah, 907 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: I'll let you hold onto this if you promise to 908 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: shut up please. She's like reacting appropriately and he just 909 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: nonstops says shut up a hundred times. He's so and 910 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 1: and then and then he mentions it as a pro 911 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,400 Speaker 1: later when she's like fake working with Sean Bean, and 912 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,520 Speaker 1: he's like, she never shuts up. But by then he's like, 913 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 1: means it in a way that he's like, I love 914 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: my girlfriend who never shuts the funk up, Like he 915 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,320 Speaker 1: says it in a different contexts. It's equally insulting and 916 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 1: also patently untrue, Like she's never like it's she's not 917 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: a blabber mouth, she's not given enough lines to be considered. 918 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,800 Speaker 1: She's just like upset that she's just been kidnapped twice 919 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: in a row by people who are actively trying to 920 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 1: steal the deck, like she's responding appropriately, and then they're 921 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: just like, Wow, this shrill woman will not shut the 922 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,960 Speaker 1: funk up about being kidnapped and me stealing the Declaration 923 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 1: of Independence? What a bit she She's presented as a 924 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 1: bitchy obstacle at first, she oh, she's fully presented as 925 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: a bitchy obstacle, but then she becomes a complacent sidekick 926 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,240 Speaker 1: and then the love interest and then the love Yeah, 927 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 1: so like it's it's bad. There's that weird line. We've 928 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,080 Speaker 1: already referenced that when she Ben and Riley go to 929 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,800 Speaker 1: John Voyd's house. John Voyd answers the door and it's like, 930 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,160 Speaker 1: what are you doing here in the middle of the night? 931 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Is she pregnant? I'm like, you don't even know who 932 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,840 Speaker 1: this person is, Like what are you talking to? That 933 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:12,959 Speaker 1: conclusion he he like pull vaults, so that weird conclusion 934 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,160 Speaker 1: and nick cage instead of saying, what are you talking 935 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: about Nick Cage is like, well, if she is, do 936 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,840 Speaker 1: you want to let the woman carrying your future grandchild 937 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: stand outside in the cold? And you're like, what is 938 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,320 Speaker 1: this family? This family is so fucked up they make 939 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 1: no sense. And then he has pizza for four in 940 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: back like he's just like so weird. And then yeah, 941 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,840 Speaker 1: he just lets his dad think that he's had sex 942 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: with this poor woman who he's been screaming at all 943 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,040 Speaker 1: night to shut up. And and then instead of having 944 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 1: her character reply logically, they write in the line do 945 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I look pregnant? And then you're like, come on, you're 946 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,919 Speaker 1: gonna make fun of this German supermodel's body, like what what? 947 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,480 Speaker 1: What about the rest of us? Like it's uh? And 948 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: then from that scene on she is love interest sidekick, 949 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: and that is how she is portrayed. We don't really 950 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: ever learn anymore about her character except that she said 951 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,680 Speaker 1: I love you to more than one person, right, which 952 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,480 Speaker 1: is a cute little fact. They learned that at the 953 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Urban Outfitters that they fall in love. Maybe one of 954 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:26,080 Speaker 1: them was that stand guy, and maybe it was I'm 955 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: also like, maybe she and Stan were trying to work 956 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 1: sh it out, and Ben swoops in Benjamin Franklin, Benjamin Franklin, Mr. Steel, 957 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 1: your girl gains swoops in some other stuff that happens 958 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: to her. She needs to be saved again. When the 959 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 1: bad guys are chasing after them, the Declaration of Independence 960 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 1: gets flung out of her hand onto the street. She 961 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,800 Speaker 1: runs after it and Almots gets hit by a truck, 962 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,640 Speaker 1: and then Riley has to grab her and get her 963 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: out of the way. And then a short time later 964 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,760 Speaker 1: when they're in the tomb in the church, they're like 965 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: all filing in their kind of being held hostage by 966 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Sean Bean and the other bad guys. And there's this 967 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: moment where like Abigail walks in front of ben and 968 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: he grabs her and says come here, pulls her toward him, 969 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: and then surprise kisses her. It's so like that bothers 970 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,320 Speaker 1: me on a number of levels, the first obviously being 971 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: it's an agregious surprise kiss. The second being that I 972 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: strongly suspect that that was like a studio note because 973 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: it is connected to nothing else going on. It's almost 974 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 1: like the screenwriters were told we need them to kiss 975 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 1: before this part, because other than that it's prompted about. 976 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 1: He just grabs her, and he's like, oh, right, that 977 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,560 Speaker 1: we forgot. Jerry Bruckheimer wants us to kiss, and then 978 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 1: they kiss, and then it's and then it's you don't 979 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: find out, and then that's it. That's also, yeah, that's 980 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 1: that's the kiss of the movie. That's it's the most 981 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: wedged in surprise kiss of any kind, surprise or not, 982 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,160 Speaker 1: most wedged in kiss I've ever seen in a movie. 983 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,040 Speaker 1: It's just like, and I mean, God love Diane Krueger, 984 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,480 Speaker 1: like the most passionless kiss you'll ever see in your life. 985 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,160 Speaker 1: She does not I think that. She's like, I cannot 986 01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 1: believe I have to do this. At what cost? Will 987 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:29,000 Speaker 1: I be a star? Like they have no chemistry even 988 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. Nope, nope, nope, you hate to see it? 989 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,320 Speaker 1: Um okay. So then after this kiss, they are in 990 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,680 Speaker 1: the tomb. The stairs are starting to crumble under them. 991 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,160 Speaker 1: As they're like making their way down into the treasure room. 992 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,160 Speaker 1: There is a moment where ben Gates like slips and 993 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,680 Speaker 1: falls and he's like hanging by something and she's like, here, 994 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,800 Speaker 1: give me your hand, so she kind of saves him, 995 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 1: but that is immediately undone by a moment later she 996 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 1: falls and then he has to grab her and pull 997 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,640 Speaker 1: her up and save her. So she has to be 998 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,760 Speaker 1: saved three different times in this movie by either where 999 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,640 Speaker 1: he drops her. Oh right, he drops her on that 1000 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,720 Speaker 1: like platform. He's like, do you trust me? And it's like, 1001 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,720 Speaker 1: what is this? Aladdin? Right? I felt the same way, 1002 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,880 Speaker 1: But then it's not really like that because he drops 1003 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,880 Speaker 1: her presumably to her death. She she makes a hard 1004 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,680 Speaker 1: fall on would that there is no way on earth 1005 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,040 Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage could be sure would save her. It was 1006 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:36,360 Speaker 1: Ricketty down there. So by a miracle of screenwriting, she survives. 1007 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,720 Speaker 1: And then afterwards he does I mean, Nick Cage does 1008 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 1: apologize to her several times in the movie and he's like, sorry, 1009 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: I dropped you. I had to save the Declaration of Independence, 1010 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:54,480 Speaker 1: and instead of first of all, incredible line and incredible delivery, 1011 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:59,560 Speaker 1: but then instead of her responding logically, she's like horny 1012 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: by the actually he dropped her to her death, and 1013 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,360 Speaker 1: she's like, it's fine, I would have done exactly the 1014 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,360 Speaker 1: same thing if if it were me. And then he's 1015 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,080 Speaker 1: like really, And then that's and you're like, what the 1016 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: funk is going on? That reminds me of the moment 1017 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 1: I think they're in Philly still, and they're deciding to 1018 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,680 Speaker 1: split up because like Sean Bean and his like cronies 1019 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,040 Speaker 1: are looking for them. They're being British and they're being 1020 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,680 Speaker 1: Brity because they have to keep the treasure away from 1021 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:34,120 Speaker 1: the British because it's three hundred years ago and we 1022 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,960 Speaker 1: still care about that for some reason anyway. So um, 1023 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,360 Speaker 1: Ben is like, all right, I'll take the glasses and 1024 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,000 Speaker 1: like the container and I'll go this way, and Abigail 1025 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 1: has the actual declaration and Ben says, take care of her. Now. 1026 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,600 Speaker 1: Riley thinks that Ben is talking to him about Abigail. 1027 01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,400 Speaker 1: Abigail thinks Ben is talking to her about the Declaration 1028 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 1: of Independence. So they both say. Both Riley and Abigail 1029 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 1: say I will, but we don't know which one Ben means, Like, 1030 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,400 Speaker 1: was he talking to Riley about Abigail? I feel like 1031 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 1: I want to probably, I want to give him the 1032 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,720 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt and feel like these freaky, freaky 1033 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,240 Speaker 1: freemasons refer to documents with she her pronouns like they 1034 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,040 Speaker 1: do with fucking boats and buildings. I feel like he 1035 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,640 Speaker 1: is like the Declaration of Independence identifies she her, which, 1036 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,800 Speaker 1: first of all, don't tell the Declaration of Independence. How 1037 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: they identify, right, we don't know. We don't know. Don't 1038 01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,880 Speaker 1: gender a piece of paper that a bunch of men touched, 1039 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 1: I know, grubby hands on dirty. So that's a very 1040 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:55,760 Speaker 1: brilliant critique we both had. Anyway, the point is she, yeah, 1041 01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: she has to be saved many times, constantly damns old 1042 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 1: and then foisted into the like okay, now she's with 1043 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Nicholas Kate, like they're together and you're just like god. 1044 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,840 Speaker 1: And at the end they move into this huge stone 1045 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: house or whatever. And also the math does not like okay, 1046 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,280 Speaker 1: I didn't do the math, but they estimate that the 1047 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,560 Speaker 1: treasure is worth ten billion dollars and then Riley gets 1048 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:29,040 Speaker 1: one half of one percent, which would be millions of dollars, 1049 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,240 Speaker 1: but he only gets a car. I know, I don't 1050 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 1: get it. I don't also, but I totally agree with 1051 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,880 Speaker 1: you that like Riley is not credited properly, but more pressingly, 1052 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Abigail is not credited period. Oh, she simply doesn't lose 1053 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,760 Speaker 1: her current job. I was furious, and like, she's not unhappy, 1054 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,120 Speaker 1: but she's just like he's like, okay, well, here's my 1055 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: terms and conditions. Harvey Kotel Carvey gets spinning his weird 1056 01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:02,320 Speaker 1: ring like bro yeah. Ben is like, okay, I want 1057 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,680 Speaker 1: the credit for the fun to go to the entire 1058 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 1: Gates family with the help of Riley Pool, but like 1059 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Abigail was there the whole time helping them, doesn't get 1060 01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,680 Speaker 1: credited at all. All he says is like, um, no 1061 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,400 Speaker 1: criminal activity should go on her record. By the way, Like, 1062 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,599 Speaker 1: I cannot believe he does not credit her for helping 1063 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:27,439 Speaker 1: him find the treasure anything. It's It's bad, It's really bad. 1064 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,720 Speaker 1: I was like, are you fucking kidding me right now? 1065 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,680 Speaker 1: Bending Franklin Gates. I know bf he's also, oh I 1066 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:40,160 Speaker 1: wrote this down, brilliant critique coming in ready, he's the 1067 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:50,679 Speaker 1: BFG big. He's literally except he's Benjamin Franklin Gates, which 1068 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:56,960 Speaker 1: is worse. Um, which is worse. Okay, So the movie 1069 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,479 Speaker 1: is exhausting. I love it. It is better than I 1070 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,559 Speaker 1: thought it would be. I do enjoy it. I love 1071 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean it is a romp and a half. I 1072 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,680 Speaker 1: mean talk about a round half the things. I feel like, 1073 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: as with most romps, most of the things that do 1074 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,920 Speaker 1: happen don't necessarily make sense. But it's such a good 1075 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,559 Speaker 1: romp that you don't even care. It doesn't matter. Just good, 1076 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I think maybe two other women have 1077 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,439 Speaker 1: very short, short moments on screen. Oh okay, so I had. 1078 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,320 Speaker 1: There's a woman who is Abigails like assistant or receptionist 1079 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. There's a woman in the market in Philly 1080 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,160 Speaker 1: where Abigail, which I think is an interesting scene maybe 1081 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,080 Speaker 1: worth talking about, where Abigail is running from Sean Bean's 1082 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:50,160 Speaker 1: cronies and she hides behind this counter and this woman says, 1083 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,640 Speaker 1: if you're not a steak, you don't belong here, and 1084 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,679 Speaker 1: Abigail's like, I'm trying to hide from my ex husband. 1085 01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,559 Speaker 1: The woman responded, yeah, She's like, honey, you can stay 1086 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,080 Speaker 1: here as long as you like. And I was like, okay, 1087 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,559 Speaker 1: that's a really nice moment of like, well, woman helping 1088 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,840 Speaker 1: another woman in a moment of need. But those those 1089 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,120 Speaker 1: are the only two women I noticed. Was there another one? 1090 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:17,160 Speaker 1: There was an FBI woman as well, who says silence, 1091 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:22,720 Speaker 1: do good allowed? Right, Harvey Kitel has a female employee 1092 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: that speaks several times and has seen several times, but 1093 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,720 Speaker 1: we never know what her name is or anything like that. 1094 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: I take issue with that whole deli scene in general. 1095 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Because it's like, I feel like there is like very 1096 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,880 Speaker 1: much a racial trope going on there as well. The 1097 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,080 Speaker 1: two women of color we see are like service workers 1098 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,920 Speaker 1: there for a punch line which almost feels like it's 1099 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,680 Speaker 1: pulled from the Michael Bay playbook, which Hello Bruckheimer, it's 1100 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,840 Speaker 1: a Bruckheimer play as well, where they're just kind of 1101 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 1: there to like provide the white lead with like a 1102 01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,720 Speaker 1: funny moment. And on top of that, the that's kind 1103 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,599 Speaker 1: of being made is like, oh, she's running from her 1104 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,120 Speaker 1: abusive ex husband ha ha. Like yeah, so that I 1105 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,639 Speaker 1: mean that that was just like stinky for me through 1106 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,880 Speaker 1: and through. I guess it didn't occur to me that 1107 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,960 Speaker 1: they were playing it as a joke, but I can 1108 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,320 Speaker 1: see that now. So that is not great because all 1109 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:25,240 Speaker 1: the woman says is like who I wouldn't want to 1110 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:30,679 Speaker 1: be married to him either, And you're like, that's not funny. Yeah, 1111 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,519 Speaker 1: they do. Couldn't end that on like that little comedic 1112 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,639 Speaker 1: button if you will. Yeah, I mean, if this weren't 1113 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,880 Speaker 1: a romp, you would help that another woman would be like, 1114 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,240 Speaker 1: can I help you? Instead of offering you a piece 1115 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:46,840 Speaker 1: of raw meat and being like yeake, he seems mean. Um, 1116 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: but this movie just isn't well written, so and they're 1117 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,040 Speaker 1: only talking about men, and we never find out what 1118 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:57,200 Speaker 1: her name is Sawyer. Whoopsies. But before we we dive 1119 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,320 Speaker 1: further into the Bechtel test discussion, just a few fun things. 1120 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:07,840 Speaker 1: So Nicholas Cage is trying to find the password to 1121 01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,759 Speaker 1: open the door in like the archive building or whatever 1122 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,000 Speaker 1: wherever they are where the Declaration of Independence is where 1123 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,960 Speaker 1: they're like trying to steal it from Justin. Bartha is 1124 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:23,639 Speaker 1: listing off several anagram possibilities that like the letters could 1125 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,600 Speaker 1: form based on like the fingerprints, the letters that like 1126 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,599 Speaker 1: the fingerprints have touched. Um. So, just a good time 1127 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,320 Speaker 1: or something. But this is a perfect time, speaking of anagrams, 1128 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,879 Speaker 1: to remind everyone that Caitlyn darante anagrams to such things 1129 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:46,080 Speaker 1: as Latin dancer U T I, Lauren D Titanic. And 1130 01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:51,000 Speaker 1: speaking of Titanic, did you notice Jamie that in the 1131 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,559 Speaker 1: beginning when they are going down into the Charlotte after 1132 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,360 Speaker 1: they've like uncovered it in the ice and it's like 1133 01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,760 Speaker 1: bluish and they're like walking food, did not remind you 1134 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,280 Speaker 1: of the beginning of Titanic with like Bill Paxton, Oh 1135 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,040 Speaker 1: I had it written down. I was okay, wait, what 1136 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,679 Speaker 1: did I write down? I had a cute little note. Okay, 1137 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,880 Speaker 1: here's my note. Kind of like the beginning of Titanic, 1138 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,000 Speaker 1: a big treasure is found, but then the treasure isn't 1139 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,439 Speaker 1: what it seems. But what if this movie, like what 1140 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,439 Speaker 1: if Titanic went like that, like instead of like starting 1141 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,200 Speaker 1: to talk to Rose, the whole movie was just about 1142 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,920 Speaker 1: like it was like national treasure, but it was about 1143 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,479 Speaker 1: the Titanic, and it's just Bill Paxton being like, I'm 1144 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,400 Speaker 1: going to steal the Titanic. Oh my god, amazing. There's 1145 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: a message on Titanic. And if you squeeze a lemon 1146 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:44,520 Speaker 1: on the Titanic, there's an app especially because Bill Paxton 1147 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,360 Speaker 1: is another actor like Nicholas Cage, who when he acts 1148 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,040 Speaker 1: and when he when he's like doing line reads like 1149 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,320 Speaker 1: they are absurd of the time, like he would have 1150 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,479 Speaker 1: turned in a similar performance, so that would have been perfect. Also, 1151 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,760 Speaker 1: just like visually it looked so much like that seen 1152 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,160 Speaker 1: in Titanic when they're like going through with like the 1153 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg vision um little submarine with the camera and 1154 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,639 Speaker 1: stuff and like going through in and out of the ship, 1155 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, this looks exactly 1156 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,400 Speaker 1: like Titanic when they're going through the Charlotte. Anyway, right, 1157 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,639 Speaker 1: so back to the anagrams. Um, we've got Lauren D Titanic, 1158 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,880 Speaker 1: we've got nine tip Dracula, we've got Tan Clarinet, I 1159 01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,200 Speaker 1: U D, We've got here's a new one. I just 1160 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:37,280 Speaker 1: tweeted this the other day, Rude Italian kunt. But what 1161 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:43,759 Speaker 1: that one is? Why? But cunt spelled with the U instead. 1162 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,800 Speaker 1: It's like a little asterix because I don't have two 1163 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,839 Speaker 1: use in my name, and you was taken up with rude, 1164 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:53,800 Speaker 1: so it's like see asterix and T. I'll allow it, 1165 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you. So that Yeah, those 1166 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,519 Speaker 1: are some just important anagrams to be aware of in 1167 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 1: case my name is ever a clue for something and 1168 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,720 Speaker 1: you need to like antagram it um. It is a 1169 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,200 Speaker 1: big national treasure energy to include anagrams, I know, right, 1170 01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:15,719 Speaker 1: I had a really quick context corner on um. Freemasons. Yes, 1171 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,519 Speaker 1: just because this movie, I mean, this movie also doesn't 1172 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,840 Speaker 1: seem to know anything about the Freemasons, so I didn't 1173 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,479 Speaker 1: I didn't like tire myself doing research for this, honestly, 1174 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:30,240 Speaker 1: but just I mean famously Freemasons do not allow women 1175 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,800 Speaker 1: in the group. It is like this mysterious group that 1176 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's just like uncle's talking to each 1177 01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:42,200 Speaker 1: other about fucking nothing. Um my uncle's a Freemason, and 1178 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're like, I I don't know, I've never 1179 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,120 Speaker 1: I've asked him, and he's like, I can't tell you. 1180 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,880 Speaker 1: And then You're like, all right, whatever. Like but I'm 1181 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,880 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's just uncle's talking about whatever. But it's 1182 01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,280 Speaker 1: supposed to be this big secretive thing. It's existed for 1183 01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,800 Speaker 1: as long as um this iteration of America, which is 1184 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,080 Speaker 1: going really well, I think anyways, Freemasonry, and but I 1185 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,920 Speaker 1: thought that from the beginning women weren't allowed and that 1186 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,840 Speaker 1: was not the case. Um, there is a whole uh 1187 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,840 Speaker 1: like a sub website devoted to women's history and Freemasons. 1188 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 1: So they were not a lot like they weren't encouraged 1189 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,519 Speaker 1: to join. But there were some like multi gender branches 1190 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,200 Speaker 1: of the Freemasons towards the beginning. And then it wasn't 1191 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,360 Speaker 1: until the late eighteen hundreds that it was a hard 1192 01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,600 Speaker 1: rule that women could not participate. Um, but there was 1193 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,679 Speaker 1: a whole system for women entering. They could they qualified 1194 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:41,240 Speaker 1: to be a prentee or female apprentices. So you could 1195 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 1: be a female apprentice, a journey woman, a mistress, or 1196 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,559 Speaker 1: a perfect MASONUS. And I don't know what any of 1197 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,559 Speaker 1: these mean, but these were the four roles that women 1198 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,720 Speaker 1: could have until the late eighteen hundreds when they were like, 1199 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,799 Speaker 1: actually get them out. But there's a there's a whole 1200 01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,360 Speaker 1: there's like even a few famous female Freemasons, but hasn't 1201 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,880 Speaker 1: been one in a hundred thirty years because men be 1202 01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:10,480 Speaker 1: excluding people. It's true. There was also a question conflict 1203 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,160 Speaker 1: that came up in twenty eighteen about um, transgender women 1204 01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,760 Speaker 1: and freemasonry in England. It was this whole big thing. Um. 1205 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,679 Speaker 1: So here is a quote that the United Grant Lodge 1206 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,479 Speaker 1: of England released and I don't love the wording of this, 1207 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,800 Speaker 1: but this is how they phrased it. Says, quote, a 1208 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,360 Speaker 1: freemason who after initiation ceases to be a man does 1209 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,360 Speaker 1: not cease to be a freemason. So you see what 1210 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,360 Speaker 1: they're saying, But the wording of it is I don't 1211 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:43,679 Speaker 1: like it, right, Yeah, there's some like misunderstanding it was uh, 1212 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: but that was the conclusion that they came to. So 1213 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:52,200 Speaker 1: trans women can be Freemasons if they were Freemasons pre transition, 1214 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,800 Speaker 1: very calm, like, how many could people? I mean, I 1215 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,320 Speaker 1: don't know how many people this supplies to, but I 1216 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,240 Speaker 1: think the French Freemason is like the group that low 1217 01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:07,120 Speaker 1: key lets women in but in America definitely still know England, 1218 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,200 Speaker 1: they had all the the all the questions around, um, 1219 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,040 Speaker 1: trans people in Freemasons, and that's all I care to 1220 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,200 Speaker 1: know about. It's a stupid club. Um, but I wonder 1221 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,240 Speaker 1: if there any Bechdel Cast listeners who are Freemasons. It's 1222 01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:30,360 Speaker 1: so what the fuck? And uh, let us know? Yeah indeed? Um, 1223 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,160 Speaker 1: So basically, are we to understand that the Gates family 1224 01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:38,280 Speaker 1: are all like Ben Gates and his many ancestors are 1225 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,400 Speaker 1: all Freemasons or they just I think so trying to 1226 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,679 Speaker 1: find the treasure. Okay, but that also makes you wonder 1227 01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,720 Speaker 1: like why aren't they involving the Freemasons. I don't know, right, 1228 01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,960 Speaker 1: He's just like, well, I've got one sidekick who may 1229 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,920 Speaker 1: or may not be a squirrel, so like that's all 1230 01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,800 Speaker 1: I need. And then this woman that I've kidnapped who 1231 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,040 Speaker 1: then becomes my girl friend nice, which even like Riley 1232 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,040 Speaker 1: Pool comments on at the end, He's like, well, you know, 1233 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 1: you've got this huge house and you got the girl, 1234 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:12,799 Speaker 1: and all I got was this Ferrari or whatever the car. 1235 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,680 Speaker 1: It would have been way cooler if a squirrel was 1236 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,960 Speaker 1: driving the car. Mistakes were made. It's like when those 1237 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:27,280 Speaker 1: when those hamsters drive the Kia's. Oh my god, what 1238 01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:32,120 Speaker 1: a weird reference shape there. I already think about those 1239 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:43,040 Speaker 1: hamsters a lot. Oh, we have fun. The the team 1240 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,120 Speaker 1: on this movie directed by this will surprise no one 1241 01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:51,599 Speaker 1: but um directed by a man, John turtle Tub. We've 1242 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:57,559 Speaker 1: got um several writers and story by credits, but all 1243 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,519 Speaker 1: of them are men except for m Marian Wibberly, So 1244 01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,920 Speaker 1: we're not surprised that the treatment of women is what 1245 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:11,200 Speaker 1: it is in this movie. I I would be like, Marian, 1246 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,080 Speaker 1: come on the podcast. Were you trying to advocate more 1247 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:19,200 Speaker 1: for Abigail to be, you know, a stronger, more active character. 1248 01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,360 Speaker 1: Were you shut down? What happened there? I'd like, because well, 1249 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, I mean female writers are shut 1250 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,599 Speaker 1: down almost exclusively. But it would be interesting to hear 1251 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,519 Speaker 1: like the ins and outs of like what was okay 1252 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,160 Speaker 1: to pitch, what wasn't? What went over? Well? What did 1253 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,680 Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure. I'm sure Marian's got stories come 1254 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:44,680 Speaker 1: on the pod anytime. Open invite Galen. Yes, does this 1255 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:50,200 Speaker 1: movie fast, but I don't know. I'm gonna say a big, 1256 01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:57,439 Speaker 1: hard no from me as well. There are those couple 1257 01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,160 Speaker 1: interactions that she does have with another woman, but those 1258 01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,080 Speaker 1: are characters who are not named. They only have an 1259 01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,519 Speaker 1: exchange that is very minimal and could have been taken 1260 01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,160 Speaker 1: out of the movie. Like, there was no attempt to 1261 01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,599 Speaker 1: meaningfully include women in this story at all, and that 1262 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:19,080 Speaker 1: includes Abigail's character because, as we discussed, she does really 1263 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:24,439 Speaker 1: nothing except for get dragged along and um contribute none 1264 01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:29,160 Speaker 1: of her expertise or anything like that. Yeehaw. As far 1265 01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,160 Speaker 1: as our nipple scale rating zero to five nipples based 1266 01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:36,120 Speaker 1: on its representation of women, I mean, I'll give it 1267 01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:40,240 Speaker 1: a half nipple for you know, again, this happens a 1268 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,360 Speaker 1: lot too, especially in this genre of film, where the 1269 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:49,320 Speaker 1: one female character who they do choose to include at 1270 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,479 Speaker 1: all is not a bad character, Like when you just 1271 01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,280 Speaker 1: isolate her and you know, examine her as an individual. 1272 01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, they often are perfectly competent and smart and 1273 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, we know what their jobs are. They're good 1274 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,479 Speaker 1: at their jobs. Things like that, but her role in 1275 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:12,519 Speaker 1: the story is so minimal in terms of what she's 1276 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:17,360 Speaker 1: allowed to contribute narratively. And then also, um, the things 1277 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,080 Speaker 1: that happened to her, like having to be saved three times, 1278 01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:25,519 Speaker 1: being surprised, kissed, being foisted into the love interest role, 1279 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:31,920 Speaker 1: all those things really are extremely frustrating. Kind of every 1280 01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,120 Speaker 1: every mistake in the book, and by a mistake, I 1281 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,520 Speaker 1: mean it was done very on purpose. But like every 1282 01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,880 Speaker 1: action trope in the book, as it pertains to women, 1283 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:47,479 Speaker 1: is made in national treasure. And I have a feeling 1284 01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:51,559 Speaker 1: that because it's like a children family like, it's s 1285 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:57,080 Speaker 1: geared toward a wider audience. It's like a PG rated film. Um. 1286 01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,000 Speaker 1: I think that that's probably why we don't get more 1287 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,000 Speaker 1: were like fridging and violence toward her. But I think 1288 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,560 Speaker 1: if it were like a PG thirteen or an R 1289 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:11,439 Speaker 1: rated movie, we would have seen like violence enacted against 1290 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,200 Speaker 1: her and things like that. But because it's so I 1291 01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,679 Speaker 1: guess you know, it's a Disney movie, so we can't 1292 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,639 Speaker 1: we can't hit her, but we can just not write her. Um. Yeah, 1293 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I'll agree with you. I'll go at half nipple as well. 1294 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,280 Speaker 1: Who are you giving your nippy too. Um Well, you 1295 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 1: presented um an interesting scenario of Justin Barthur being a squirrel. 1296 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,880 Speaker 1: I wonder how many nipples squirrels have. But I'm going 1297 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,240 Speaker 1: to give my half nipple to the squirrel version of 1298 01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:47,160 Speaker 1: Riley Pool. I'll do the same wonderful nipple for the squirrel. Yay, 1299 01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,519 Speaker 1: and and and there you have a gang. The first 1300 01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,000 Speaker 1: quarantined episode of the Backsel Cast. I feel good about it. 1301 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,040 Speaker 1: I had fun, I had a blast what a tree 1302 01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,200 Speaker 1: And I think, Jamie, I don't know about you, but 1303 01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,920 Speaker 1: I found some treasure in this episode. I think this 1304 01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,599 Speaker 1: episode is a treasure and we had to uncover it. 1305 01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,960 Speaker 1: See I I feel like, you know, because we're gonna 1306 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:13,080 Speaker 1: keep doing it. For me, it's just another clue, and 1307 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,760 Speaker 1: that's going to lead to another clue. And that's kind 1308 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:20,439 Speaker 1: of hed another clue. These clues being episodes, other episodes 1309 01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: where constituting. I'm going to start referring to episodes as clues. 1310 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:30,440 Speaker 1: So on this clue, we're going to be covering Moonstruck. 1311 01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:35,000 Speaker 1: What if we should cover the movie clue? I love 1312 01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,240 Speaker 1: the movie clue. Oh, that would be such a fun 1313 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:43,400 Speaker 1: Quarantine episode two? What other one were we thinking about doing? 1314 01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,360 Speaker 1: We were thinking about doing um Crossroads cross resovie. I mean, 1315 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,599 Speaker 1: there's some heavy ship and crossroads, but it would still 1316 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,760 Speaker 1: be a fun one. I've never seen it. A bunch 1317 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,200 Speaker 1: of people were tweeting that we should do Armageddon right now, 1318 01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, something to think about. Sure, you know what 1319 01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say now, we'll see you, We'll 1320 01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:07,120 Speaker 1: see what happens um. Anyway, thanks for listening. You can 1321 01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:12,479 Speaker 1: follow us on social media at all the places, especially 1322 01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,760 Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Becktel cast um. Now is a 1323 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,599 Speaker 1: great time if you haven't already, and if you're able 1324 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:24,559 Speaker 1: to financially join our patreon a k a. Matreon because 1325 01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:29,280 Speaker 1: you've you'll get access to more content, more episodes of 1326 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,480 Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. If you're breezing through these main feed episodes, 1327 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,679 Speaker 1: you know, burning right through them and you need some more. 1328 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,120 Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of good stuff on the Matreon, 1329 01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,200 Speaker 1: and there's been a couple of people asking us one 1330 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,240 Speaker 1: is the best way to financially support us during this stuff. 1331 01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:48,080 Speaker 1: We're fine, but the patreon is the way. The Padreon, 1332 01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,760 Speaker 1: Madrean is the way to do it. Indeed, yes, and 1333 01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:57,800 Speaker 1: with that, well this clue, like you said, Jamie, it's 1334 01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:05,120 Speaker 1: not over the search for the Bechtel Treasure. Treasure, it's 1335 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:10,760 Speaker 1: speculated the cartoonist Alison Bechdel has a hidden treasure and 1336 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,960 Speaker 1: her books, and you have to get all of her 1337 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,160 Speaker 1: books and read them. Or what if we've been laying 1338 01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:21,559 Speaker 1: out clues in every episode. What if every time I say, 1339 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,240 Speaker 1: like cat facts with Caitlin, or every time you say, 1340 01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,000 Speaker 1: here's what role Alfred Molina should have played? What a 1341 01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:33,920 Speaker 1: de cipher? That was a cipher this whole time, You'll 1342 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:38,760 Speaker 1: have to figure it out, listeners. Yeah, just just keep 1343 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,080 Speaker 1: finding those clues that we've been sprinkling into the episodes 1344 01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:44,120 Speaker 1: by