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Speaker 1: Cass In on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back on Dale Alli. He is Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 2: this is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt

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Speaker 2: as we do every Thursday, now Wednesday, Thursday or big

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Speaker 2: injury days. Uh TJ Hawkinson practicing in a limited fashion today.

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Speaker 3: Boy, he's valuable.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks so good doing it too.

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Speaker 2: And no yardage, No, it's all like you gets. You know,

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Speaker 2: everything's within five to eight yards downfield. But I don't

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Speaker 2: care if he has ten ten catches for eighty yards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's great.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's benefiting with Jefferson out, but I don't

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Speaker 3: think it matters. Addison's benefiting. That offense looks really really

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Speaker 3: good man. I mean, other than Kelsey, he's gotta be

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Speaker 3: your You take him over Andrews. We were talking about

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Speaker 3: the value of tight ends and today before we.

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Speaker 2: Went on the based on the usage, probably, I.

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Speaker 3: Think so think he's a better athlete too. I think

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Speaker 3: he's a little twitchy er, you know, like some of

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Speaker 3: this is just watching games. You know, he was doing

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Speaker 3: that the other night against Fred Warner and green Law.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was you know, Hafunga. I mean he was.

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Speaker 3: He looks very good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. Yeah, especially doing it against that defense exactly.

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Speaker 3: Crisp and sharp and some half of the catch stuff,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the tight end position, Hunter Henry remained limited

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Speaker 2: in practice on Thursday. He has an ankle issue. Gasiki

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Speaker 2: scored last week in his absence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean without Henry. I guess Kasicki's sort of

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Speaker 3: on the radar. I guess, I mean we're reaching. I

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Speaker 3: mean again, the tight end position is a wasteland and well,

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Speaker 3: I think your exact words before we hit record, where

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Speaker 3: if you don't have one of the top six, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of a wasteland.

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Speaker 2: And you're a bit of trouble. Yeah, you're in a

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Speaker 2: bit of trouble. Aaron Jones practiced in a limited capacity

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. He's still dealing with the hamstring.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a big one. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 3: Dylan's very good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rock Party took part in Thursday's practice. He's dealing

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Speaker 2: with a concussion.

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Speaker 4: That's the first time you've seen the field though, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is the first step. Now he would have to

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Speaker 4: they play Sunday. They play Sunday. They didn't diagnose the

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Speaker 4: concussion until Wednesday. There was an instance I've seen the

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Speaker 4: video out there now.

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Speaker 2: It was a quarterback sneak, yeah, push, yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: he got just somebody came flying in and hit went

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Speaker 2: helmet to helmet with him. This is one of the

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Speaker 2: problems that you have, yeah, with having your quarterback run

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Speaker 2: a sneak. He stayed in that game because they didn't realize.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't tell in real time that he had taken

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Speaker 2: a big shot to the helmet. Was two for six

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Speaker 2: for twenty yards and two interceptions after taking that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I kind of like that people do that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it could be an excuse, but I mean

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Speaker 3: there were several times last year with Tua where he would,

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Speaker 3: you know, take a big shot to the head and

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Speaker 3: then they look at the stats before and after and

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Speaker 3: things like that, and it's like, whoa, you know that

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Speaker 3: very well could be the case. It was a toush

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Speaker 3: push situation. You showed me the video earlier. He didn't

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Speaker 3: get low enough, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And linebacker comes flying in and just and it's perfectly legal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think teams are going to take shots

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Speaker 3: at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're opening yourself up to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And there's gonna be Paula mall loose over

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Speaker 3: the top in those situations and things like that, and

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Speaker 3: we'll see. But I mean it's scary. I'd be shocked

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Speaker 3: if he plays.

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Speaker 2: I would be really surprised. Y.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's possible, right, I mean, it's mathematically possible.

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Speaker 2: But I guess since he got back to pres to

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Speaker 2: a limited practice today again, I wasn't there. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how limited it was. But do you really want

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Speaker 2: to start to quarterback? He didn't practice yesterday, limited practice today,

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Speaker 2: they'll practice again tomorrow. He would have he wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: cleared until Saturday. You have to go. You have to

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Speaker 2: to work Sam Darnald in like he's going to.

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Speaker 3: Get all the starting repsy.

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Speaker 2: You have to.

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Speaker 3: You have to. So I guess it does affect the

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Speaker 3: Steelers because they're playing the Bengals, right. I frankly think

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Speaker 3: Donald would do okay in this situation.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with darna. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: think Donald'll be a great DFS start this week.

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Speaker 3: I picked him up in our league, so he'll get hurt.

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Speaker 2: That's one reason not to put him in our DFS lineup.

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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, this is huge this didn't practice on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: He's dealing with a hip injury. Today he came back

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Speaker 2: in a limited fashion and he said, I'll be good

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Speaker 2: to play on Sunday. But if you remember a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago when he played the Steelers in the

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Speaker 2: regular season and he was kind of limited all week long,

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Speaker 2: he was more or less just a decoy out there.

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Speaker 3: No, I do remember that. Yeah. I think there's been

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Speaker 3: once or twice in his career where he's done that.

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Speaker 3: He's so scary that just go out there and run

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Speaker 3: around a little bit, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to throw you the ball much, but

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Speaker 2: go be a decoy. That's a huge fantasy news.

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Speaker 3: And of course if you have him and he's on

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Speaker 3: the field, you're starting him. I mean, whether he's decoy

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Speaker 3: or not. But the sneaky move is maybe Wattle could

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Speaker 3: be sneaky this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was a limited participant in Thursday's practice.

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Speaker 2: He's dealing with a back injury.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember watching that again. That could be bad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't like the way he reacted at all.

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Speaker 2: They're both banged up.

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Speaker 3: I think he went right to the locker room from

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Speaker 3: what I remember, so that's a little frightening.

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Speaker 2: They're playing the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: This is a respectable defense.

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Speaker 2: Belichick takes away the other team's best option like nobody

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Speaker 2: else ever does that.

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Speaker 3: Good thought.

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Speaker 2: Juwan Johnson, with the calf injury, the tight end for

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Speaker 2: the Saints, was limited on Thursday at least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so don't get too excited about being sneaky with

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Speaker 3: you know, Taysom Hill or any of that.

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Speaker 2: Uh, staying on the Dolphins there. In addition to Hill

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Speaker 2: and Waddle, Raheem Moster was limited Thursday. He's dealing with

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Speaker 3: So Wilson's next man up and or so if you

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna be leading, I think Wilson's much more appealing,

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Speaker 3: you know, like he got didn't get used at all.

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Speaker 3: It was his first game back. But Wilson might be

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Speaker 3: worth owning and starting this week.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of a dart throats. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: problem is nobody's on bond.

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Speaker 3: I did him in one league because he's the only

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Speaker 3: able body I can find. And this year, this week,

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Speaker 3: you should be more.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't have that issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a Chan comes back two weeks from.

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Speaker 2: Now, after after he's got two more.

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Speaker 3: Games this game and next yeah, and then he's back,

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Speaker 3: and then he's back and can't wait. Yeah yeah, yeah. One.

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Speaker 2: Del Robinson with the knee injury. Practice in the limited capacity.

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Speaker 2: I can't see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's probably the most usable of all the

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Speaker 2: Giants receivers.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean it's usable.

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Speaker 2: And he will avoid seeing Sauce Gardner in the slot.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. I just don't think there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: many points in that game.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either. Darren Waller, who.

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Speaker 3: Will be the quarterbacks of Giants? I would It's been

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Speaker 3: really quiet. I haven't got any Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Darren Waller was limited again on Thursday. He sounds like

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Speaker 2: he's like dealing with the hamstring. Looks like he's gonna play.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned that Trevor Lawrence. Nothing new there. Randall Cobb

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Speaker 2: returned to practice Thursday. Yuck. Alvin Kamara, who missed yesterday's

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Speaker 2: practice with an illness. He was back in full as

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Speaker 2: a full participant today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's high on the list, gets a ton of touches.

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Speaker 2: Zach Moss returned in a limited fashion today. He's dealing

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Speaker 3: Do you look at him as a flex with Taylor

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Speaker 3: as is, he's.

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Speaker 2: Getting enough carries that. Yeah, I mean they're they're finding

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Speaker 2: they're running their offense through their two running backs, but

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Speaker 2: a novel concept. And they've got a pretty good offensive line.

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Speaker 3: Kind the well enough, Yeah, Pittman and Downs and those

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Speaker 3: guys have been productive to their offense have been pretty good.

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Speaker 3: That offensive mind the head coach and those the things are.

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Speaker 2: Do I mean Zach Moss. If Zach Moss got traded

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Speaker 2: this weekend, I don't even care where he lands. If

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Speaker 2: he goes somewhere where he's the lead back, So I'm

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Speaker 2: not you know, kind of hang on to him unless

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Speaker 2: you really have something that you.

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Speaker 3: And if he did. How many backs would you rank

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Speaker 3: ahead of Taylor? Not many?

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Speaker 2: Not many? There might only be seven ish that I

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Speaker 2: had rank ahead of Moss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right right.

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Speaker 2: He was playing well before Taylor came back. Here Roshawn

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Speaker 2: Johnson with the concussion A practice fully on Thursday. But

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Speaker 2: remember he hasn't passed the concussion test yet. He still

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Speaker 2: has to clear the final hurdle.

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Speaker 3: And he's got a foreman hurdle. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they're not going to say who the back is.

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Speaker 2: Well Roshawn's missed three weeks now basically since he had

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Speaker 2: that injury. So is he going to be ready to

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Speaker 2: handle a full workload? Probably? Foreman was good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how you handle that. If you're

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Speaker 3: an owner of either one of those, you hope that

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Speaker 3: with no one on by and maybe you start neither.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again Yeah, Uh, Barkley was limited in practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: That's nothing new for him. Yeah, just kind of putting

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Speaker 2: him save the Josh Palmer wasn't spotted at Thursday's practice

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Speaker 2: for the Chargers. That must be one of the teams

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Speaker 2: that doesn't allow people to watch the practice. Not good news.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean he's he's the number two there now,

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Speaker 3: it's pretty clear. Yeah, Quintin Johnston has been disappointing.

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Speaker 2: Uh, David and Joku was back at practice after sitting

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Speaker 2: out on Wednesday. He's dealing with a knee, but he's

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Speaker 2: not been Fantasy relevant.

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Speaker 3: No, you're not happy with It's starting to me the way.

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Speaker 2: Although they play the Seahawks this week, Seahawks have traditionally

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Speaker 2: not been good against tight ends.

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Speaker 3: But he trusts p J. Walker.

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Speaker 2: Man, I don't I don't want to start. No, he's

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Speaker 2: not playing. They know, we know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm from Seattle. I'm happy he's not playing, or

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Speaker 3: I'm unhappy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not happy. Yeah, but I'd rather start. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to start any Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Coopers the borderline, Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't even want to go there.

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Speaker 3: If Hunt is the clear guy, is he a fantasy starter?

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Speaker 2: I guess. I mean just start over a Moss, assuming

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Speaker 2: he's gonna get fifteen touches and he will catch.

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Speaker 3: Assume that. Yeah, Okay, he's an RB two then yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean you can only throw twenty passes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, was about that? Isn't there an injury with Hunt

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Speaker 3: I over under. The game is very low. All Browns

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo is practicing Thursday, and Josh McDaniels is hopeful

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I only look at that for I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in You're in some situations here where would

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Speaker 3: I picked up Donald. I would rather start Donald than

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Speaker 2: They haven't scored more than twenty like they they've struggled

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Speaker 3: This either right, No, they're kind of broke.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Curtis Samuel took part in Thursday's practice for the Commanders.

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Speaker 3: Him and how both aren't super exciting here against the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave didn't practice Thursday.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like Watson's healthy. Yeah, and some of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that might not be terrible. I mean I don't

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Speaker 3: I mean, besides Nico. Are you comfortable with any of

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Speaker 3: be healthy, should be healthy, but again he's more of

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Speaker 2: Really, it's just been two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Week two and three.

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Speaker 2: Harrison Butker with an illness not practicing on Thursday, So

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on that. It's it's not so bad

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Speaker 2: I guarantees in every league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what I mean is easy to monitors if

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Speaker 3: they activate a kicker. Well, he just pay attention to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel Jones, you asked about.

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Speaker 3: This, Yeah, I have heard nothing.

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Speaker 2: Brian Dables said that the status quo remains in place

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Speaker 2: for Jones, who has a neck injury.

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Speaker 2: He still hasn't been clear for contact and limited participant

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like Taylor Taylor. Taylor's been better than him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I would not rush Jones back, but I'm

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Speaker 3: sure the owner is like the why do we give

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Why do we design him for this guy?

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Speaker 2: A big check?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Like him to play?

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Speaker 2: David Montgomery not practicing Thursday, But Thursday is Wednesday for them.

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Speaker 2: for him. If he can get back to at least

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Speaker 2: good chance he plays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, the difference here is that they have their bye,

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Speaker 3: But he does get an extra day to rest, two

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Speaker 2: The matchup will be ideal for David Montgomery.

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Speaker 3: Volume. They're gonna be big, you know, physical, run the ball.

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Speaker 3: I think they beat the crap out of the Raiders

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bills place Dawson Knox on injured reserve Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Bad, yeah bad. Mike Williams underwent six his ACL repair

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Speaker 2: today or Wednesday. I'm sorry, And he's expected to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if he's gonna be a charger. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Chris Godwin expected to play tonight for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: Any sneaky guys were playing tonight, I mean Evans is in,

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Speaker 2: Maybe k would be the sneaky one.

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Speaker 3: You confident in James Cook, He's probably in the top twenty.

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Speaker 2: It's not a bad run defense. I mean, yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna blitz a lot. So I heard some numbers today

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Speaker 2: when they blitzed, like create when when when facing the blitz,

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Speaker 2: Stefan Digg's share target share total goes up to like

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Speaker 2: thirty five percent. He's the hot route all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. He could blow up tonight.

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Speaker 2: He could have a monster game.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't be shocked at all about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what about White to the running back? I have

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Speaker 3: no faith in that guy. I don't own him anywhere.

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Speaker 3: He's a good receiver, that's all he can say about it.

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Speaker 2: As a running back. He's a good receiver.

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Speaker 3: Does god Win a top thirty receiver at this point?

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Speaker 3: I don't think, I'll say a lot of the shines

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Speaker 2: Always he's always dealing with something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He was never the quicketiest twitch guy out there

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Speaker 3: to begin with me, and maybe if he lost a step,

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Speaker 2: yesterday's stuff here now. Zach Sharbonay was limited.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like more importantly that sounds like Metcalf's probably back

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Speaker 3: and Smith Najigbow was really useful without Metcalf. I don't

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Speaker 3: All three of their receivers are not exactly what you wanted. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The big news for them though, was that Kenneth Walker

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Speaker 2: that's a big one, huge for them, especially with Sharboney

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Speaker 3: Yea yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. I wouldn't you know, proactively

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Speaker 2: Sharbonne was limited with a hamstring, so I guess he

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Speaker 2: might be available. But they do play the Browns this week.

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Speaker 2: That'll be a tough matchup. Although Indianapolis ran.

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Speaker 3: If either one of the Seattle Backs is out, he

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Speaker 2: I don't know, they play the other one becomes a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that could be a Sharpenay breakout.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking hear anything else of no tears. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I don't see a whole lot. Austin Ekeler practiced fully

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Speaker 3: Okay, so they need to start leaning on him more,

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Speaker 3: especially they really Homer's out, and yeah, I would think

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Speaker 3: a lot of runs to him. Herbert hasn't been himself

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Speaker 3: since he broke his finger and whatever else. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure if that's why it's off, not on his throwing hand.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals didn't list Kyler Murray on their injury report Thursday,

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Speaker 3: Sure it sounds like he's going to play, Maybe not

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Speaker 3: this week, but he's going to play this week or two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I owned him or were stashing him, I'd

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Speaker 2: I know. I'm just going to ask you, Like, if

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Speaker 2: don't want to start.

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Speaker 3: Him, Like, I'm not starting him over Dak or Stafford

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Speaker 3: Maybe wait a.

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Speaker 2: Week, would you start him over Sam Darnald?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I both.

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Speaker 2: That's why I asked you that question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably.

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Speaker 3: I mean just the running and if they feel healthy

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Speaker 3: kick that around in my head though. My first response was, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's on a different plane than Donald, but maybe not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I want to see it first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't love throwing him out there

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Speaker 2: You know, we don't know that he's you know, is

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Speaker 2: he still Kyler Murray that runs around and does everything

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Speaker 2: that he did. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Is he going to stand the staff

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Speaker 3: want to do that with him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's going to stand in the pocket and

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Speaker 2: throw the football. I don't know that I want Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: No, he shouldn't be on waivers. Yeah, I think we

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Speaker 3: probably agree that I would like to not start him

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Speaker 3: this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be with you on that, like you.

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Speaker 3: Starting Geno Smith over him? Probably probably? Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Odell Beckham, with a shoulder injury now, was limited in

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Speaker 3: I wanted to throw one. I thought, I don't know

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Speaker 3: shot if Bateman's out there and maybe just be a

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Speaker 3: real quiet pick up.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine a situation where I start him. Yeah,

444
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Speaker 2: at this point, I mean, i'd have to have a

445
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Speaker 2: bunch of.

446
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Speaker 3: Trust O'Dell, and when Nodell gets hurt.

447
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Speaker 2: Again or first, Odell shouldn't be roster.

448
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 3: He shouldn't be rostered either. But I bet Bateman will

449
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 3: be ahead of him on the packing order as soon

450
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Speaker 3: as now. But that's still the third option in that offense.

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

452
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Speaker 3: Uh.

453
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Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel with the shoulder was spotted running off to

454
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Speaker 2: the side during Thursday's practice for the forty. I think

455
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Speaker 2: he's pretty much out this week, and but he is

456
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Speaker 2: running trying to keep conditioning up. It is a shoulder injury.

457
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Speaker 2: So when he comes back, he'll be able to hit

458
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Speaker 2: the ground running.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you might not see him do as much

461
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Speaker 2: as the running as he has done because he's dealing

462
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Speaker 2: with the shoulders.

463
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Speaker 3: I wonder is going to cost in DFS because I

464
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Speaker 3: think he looks tremendous.

465
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Speaker 2: This could be this could be the week for him.

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Another I'm thinking too, like if he's not

467
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Speaker 3: one of the top eight to ten in terms of price,

468
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 3: probably won't be probably won't be that high. But I

469
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Speaker 3: think that's who he is. Yeah, I think so, he's

470
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Speaker 3: a tremendous place.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe Darnald just zeros in on him.

472
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that's good.

473
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Speaker 2: That's what we don't know. There's some unknown there. Is

474
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Speaker 2: he throw a bunch of balls to Kittle. Does he

475
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Speaker 2: tried to get it to the outside, does he spread

476
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: it around? I don't know.

477
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Speaker 3: Boy, it was last week that Auks was owning the

478
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Speaker 3: first half and then.

479
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Speaker 2: And then they didn't throw the ball against Kittle late and.

480
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Speaker 3: Yeah, pump off some stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that was the Fantasy Football focus. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt I did a little digging on some

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Speaker 2: numbers last night. And in his career Mike Tomlin in

494
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Speaker 2: one score football game.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is really impressive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety five fifty eight and two over the course of.

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Speaker 3: His career for his career, okay, that's a high percent.

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Speaker 3: You're win two out of three. Ish, that's pretty darn.

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Speaker 2: Good one score games.

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Speaker 3: Yet league average, of course would.

501
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Speaker 2: Be the average, but in the first ten years of

502
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Speaker 2: his career they were thirty six and twenty eight in

503
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Speaker 2: one score games.

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Speaker 3: Who is his quarterback?

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Speaker 2: That would Ben Roethlisberger for the majority of.

506
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Speaker 3: That and that was an end of career Ben, that

507
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Speaker 3: was a pretty good play.

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Speaker 2: That was prime premium, you know.

509
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Speaker 3: And that's a good number. Yeah, that's impressive, absolutely impressive,

510
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: very impressive over the.

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Speaker 2: Last seven seasons fifty nine thirty and two. And I

512
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Speaker 2: might add there have been seven different quarterbacks who helped

513
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Speaker 2: him compile that record. Seven seven, six, I'm sorry six.

514
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, we got Kenny, we got Mitch right, we

515
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Speaker 3: got Rudolph four, we got Duck.

516
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Speaker 2: And Landry Jones.

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Speaker 3: Oh, over the last seven years. Wow, like pick, it

518
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Speaker 3: might be good. And if Ben wasn't as good.

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Speaker 2: As I think nine and three or something games, but.

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Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't Brady and Steve Young and Montana,

521
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Speaker 3: you know, right, I mean, so it makes me think

522
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Speaker 3: and I know numbers or numbers, but you have to

523
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Speaker 3: have contacts with numbers as well. And I love to

524
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Speaker 3: use numbers to learn about other teams and whatnot and tendencies.

525
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Speaker 3: But I have a hunch Coach Tomlin if when they

526
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Speaker 3: do his thirty for thirty year football life will be

527
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Speaker 3: like I realized how not to lose in this league

528
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Speaker 3: as I as I coached more and more and not

529
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Speaker 3: losing is more important than I learned how to you know,

530
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Speaker 3: how to beat this coverage or blah blah blah. And

531
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Speaker 3: I have a hunch when he realized going through seven

532
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks and they're not rogers the far, may you.

533
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Speaker 2: Play things a little bit different? You plan to play

534
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Speaker 2: that close games?

535
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think having all those quarterbacks realized, I have

536
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: to coach differently, and I have to you have to.

537
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Speaker 2: Coach differently with end of career, Ben.

538
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Speaker 3: Of course. Of course, really from then on you've had

539
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Speaker 3: to coach differently. I mean it's not all right, Ben,

540
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: go chuck it around to ab and Bell and we're

541
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Speaker 3: more talented than the next team, and yeah, we'll get

542
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Speaker 3: in our share of one score games like everybody else.

543
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Speaker 3: But you got it from here, you know. I mean

544
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Speaker 3: that's why you pay him, and that's why he was

545
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Speaker 3: so good so over a seven year stretch to win

546
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Speaker 3: two out of three, that's basically where he was at. Right, Yeah,

547
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Speaker 3: right is a skill. That's not Boy, he's been the

548
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Speaker 3: luckiest coach on the planet. I mean, I can't believe that.

549
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Speaker 3: If it was the Vikings last year rookie year head

550
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Speaker 3: coach O'Connell, maybe you're the luckiest coach on the planet

551
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Speaker 3: for a while.

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Speaker 2: And they've they've kind of come back to the pack

553
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Speaker 2: this year. They're losing those one score games this year.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a good coach. I mean, the Vikings

555
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: are turning things around too, you know. But to do

556
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Speaker 3: it over seven years and to win that many, I

557
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: mean there was like ninety games there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about this over the last four years, seven

559
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Speaker 2: and two in one score games, eight and one, seven

560
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Speaker 2: and five last year with the rookie quarter with and

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Speaker 2: then four and oh this year.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So you're looking at what was a fifteen, twenty two,

564
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Speaker 2: twenty six and eight in one score games in the

565
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Speaker 2: last four seasons.

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Speaker 3: So two of those were end of Ben's last two years,

567
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Speaker 3: right right? Or was one of them Ben's a year?

568
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Speaker 3: And the other one was the duck year.

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Speaker 2: You look at No, you're looking at two years of

570
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Speaker 2: end of Ben. So they were fifteen and three and

571
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Speaker 2: one in one score games in Ben's last two seasons.

572
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Speaker 2: But they've now carried that over. They're eleven and five

573
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Speaker 2: the last two seasons in one score in the years

574
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Speaker 2: in the picket slash Trubisky, Yes.

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Speaker 3: So makes me rethink a little nothing against Tomlin, but

576
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Speaker 3: end of career Ben, he still was pretty wise and

577
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Speaker 3: he probably learned that. Maybe I don't have my fastball anymore,

578
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: but I got a little vasiline on the ball, and

579
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Speaker 3: I can you know, like I bet he reinvented how

580
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: he played and what risks he took too. I can't

581
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Speaker 3: just shrug off Terrell Suggs and throw an eighty yard

582
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: or the other direction against the grain. You know.

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Speaker 2: But part of that as well is playing the game

584
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: the old man to set to set the game up

585
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Speaker 2: to be a one score.

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Speaker 3: Game, right right right, We're not going to do fifty

587
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Speaker 3: three surprise on sides that if they go wrong, we're

588
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Speaker 3: down twenty nothing.

589
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Not going to take that.

590
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Thats maomes available.

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00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: Ridiculous chance here that oh way, Ben's gonna put twenty

592
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Speaker 2: one points up in the fourth quarter and get us

593
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Speaker 2: a winner.

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Speaker 3: No, and when on our own forty yard line, the

595
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: analytics say I should go for it, but I'll punt

596
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: them deep and position, shorten the game and play it again.

597
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: And I know the analytics say I shouldn't run on

598
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Speaker 3: first down, but I want to eat clock and shorten

599
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Speaker 3: the game. And you know, I always using example like

600
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Speaker 3: I can't beat Lebron or Curry in a three point contest.

601
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Speaker 3: If it's first one to one hundred. But if it's

602
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: first one to one, I can there's a chance, you

603
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean, not likely, it's I'm still betting

604
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: on them short in the game.

605
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: Short in the game. And you know, I think you

606
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: do a lot of you do the analytics stuff every week.

607
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: Right.

608
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: If you look at the Steelers in terms of plays

609
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: run this year, they're they're very low on the in

610
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: terms of plays run.

611
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: Now, if the game would be would help that. I mean,

612
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: they don't want to be low in time of possession, but.

613
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: If they could get you know, some teams want to

614
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: go out. This Jacksonville team last week, their defense was

615
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: on the field constantly last week again, I think it.

616
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Speaker 3: Was like eighty plays. Yeah, I mean because I was

617
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: looking at that, because their two linebackers missed one snap,

618
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I know they play a ton. I

619
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Speaker 3: don't know how much like WHOA. They were on the

620
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: field for like seventy nine of eighty plays. That's a

621
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Speaker 3: ton ton ton.

622
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: Steelers don't want to play that way.

623
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Speaker 3: No, they would much rather the game if they have.

624
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: An advantage in plays run. They wanted to be like

625
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: sixty five to fifty two.

626
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: That was going to say, I think they want one

627
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty plays run in a game, in a

628
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: whole game, not just the offense, not one hundred and forty. Yes, again,

629
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 3: shorten the game, muck it up, you know, right.

630
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: And so you know you play to play that kind

631
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: of game, you play that style.

632
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: I also think last week's opponent is starting the Rams

633
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: are starting to show a trend that they're not a

634
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: second half team, They're not a fourth quarter team, where

635
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: the Steelers are showing a trend the opposite. Yeah, and

636
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: because of the Rams, I know we're done talking about

637
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: the Rams, but they're playing dudes that should be playing

638
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: fifty percent of snaps and now they're playing eighty percent

639
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: of snap, especially on defense.

640
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the more they're out there, the worse it is.

641
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, they need to be the warmly Watts types, not

642
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: when cam in to it, are out you know what

643
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: I mean, Like they're out there, over there, over extended

644
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: as it is.

645
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: So because of that, how do you look at the

646
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: Steelers putting up one hundred and ninety yards of offense

647
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter?

648
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think in a way somewhat of this as

649
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: being a Steeler apologist that you plan for shooting your

650
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: guns late when they're at their weakest and you've gathered

651
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: your information from you know, all your early stuff. That

652
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's okay to go three and out over

653
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: and over in the first half. That's all what I'm saying.

654
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: They didn't do that in that game. That's one of

655
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: the numbers out there. They didn't go three and out

656
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of times. It wasn't the This was not

657
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers game. They moved the football in

658
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: the first half, and then they would have a penalty

659
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: where then they would have a sack that they gave up.

660
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't inefficiency or poor play so much in the

661
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: first half. Yeah, right, right right.

662
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: And then and maybe conversely, the Rams were playing keep

663
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: away in the first half and it was three to

664
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Speaker 2: three until late in the first half and they hit

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Speaker 2: they hit a miracle play for a touchdown. I think

666
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Speaker 2: he just threw that up.

667
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that ball was not intended for two

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Speaker 2: two out well.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it was intended for Cupper to cou Yeah.

671
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Speaker 2: Well intercept was it was cup running down the field. Yeah,

672
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Speaker 2: and he just.

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Speaker 3: I only threw it up. I think at well intercepted it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't for him.

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Speaker 2: No, it was definitely not intended for I'm watching that

676
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Speaker 2: plan like, oh, that's going to be intercepted, and it

677
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: was by the guy because he's a woman. His eyes

678
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Speaker 2: on the quarterback. Everybody else has watched, you know, Yeah,

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00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: hey there's Cooper Cup. We better keep an eye on him.

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Speaker 3: No. I think he was forcing at the Cup as

681
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: he tends to do, which goes back to the game

682
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Speaker 3: plan of taking Cup out of the game.

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Speaker 2: So they were very fortunate to have that nine to

684
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Speaker 2: three lead at the half despite having.

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Speaker 3: Probably a bad I mean.

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Speaker 2: They were on the field, like I think it was

687
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Speaker 2: like fifteen more plays or so than the Steelers in

688
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Speaker 2: the first half of that game, but it wasn't because

689
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Speaker 2: the Steelers weren't moving the ball on offense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that game right right, But the.

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Speaker 2: Chart the Rams were they were having some success running

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Speaker 2: the football. Think they had eighty rushing yards in the

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Speaker 2: first half.

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Speaker 3: Yea, again against the light box, against the light boxes.

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Speaker 3: Take what you give you smart, But if not for.

696
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Speaker 2: That miracle throw, it might be six three at the

697
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Speaker 2: half instead of nine three.

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Speaker 3: Like we referenced Pro football focused have their turnover worthy plays.

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Speaker 3: That turnover worthy play turned into a touchdown, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: I won go.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you don't anybody who's watching that on team.

702
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Speaker 2: I'm watching it live and I'm looking straight at them.

703
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: They're coming right at where the press box is situated there,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, that's a bad throw. Oh it's

705
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Speaker 2: a touchdown, right, Yeah, it probably wouldn't go in Pro

706
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Speaker 2: Football Focus.

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Speaker 3: If I was a Pro Football Focus greater, I would

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Speaker 3: call that a turnover worthy play. But I would also

709
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Speaker 3: call it a touchdown because it was a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: It was a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't happen very often, I would have matter.

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Speaker 2: It just made me think of that because I'm looking

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Speaker 2: here at Nick Schuk's Quarterback Index on NFL dot Com. Okay,

714
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Speaker 2: we've referenced this everyone. Yeah, we've done more than thirty

715
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Speaker 2: third team win this year, but we've referenced this one

716
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Speaker 2: in the past. So based off of how he played

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Speaker 2: last week, can he Pickett moved up eight spots did

718
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Speaker 2: it in there in Nick Schook's Quarterback Index to seventeenth?

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Speaker 3: Okay, in the league this week, So we've referenced this,

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Speaker 3: I mean the state of quarterbacks in the league. Right now,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it takes a ton to move up

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Speaker 3: three spots of four spots, you know, keep climbing. Yeah,

723
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Speaker 3: and that's not how the world works. It's back to

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Speaker 3: kind of how Lab said. It doesn't matter for the

725
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Speaker 3: seventeenth rank quarterback on Nick Schuk's list or the twelfth

726
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Speaker 3: through the twenty second just win, you know, right, But

727
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: there's something to be said for it, and I do

728
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Speaker 3: think he's trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Here's the one thing I do like about the nfl

730
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Speaker 2: dot Com Quarterback Index rankings. Not only do they list

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Speaker 2: all your stats throwing the football, they also list your

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Speaker 2: rushing yards you're rushing touchdowns, and your.

733
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Speaker 3: Fumbles in your turnovers. Yeah, okay, and.

734
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Speaker 2: So right now, can he Pickett through six games has

735
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Speaker 2: four interceptions and no fumbles.

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Speaker 3: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he's had four turnovers thus far this season

738
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Speaker 2: this season, which is pretty good. Which if you start

739
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Speaker 2: looking at the guy's ranks below him, I.

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Speaker 3: Wonder how many Lawrence has. I bet it's pretty.

741
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: High, to be honest, it's on here, I can find it. Yeah,

742
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: So Trevor Lawrence is actually.

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Speaker 3: Number they have him.

744
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: He is at quarterback seven.

745
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Speaker 3: I think right, I bet it's pretty high.

746
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Speaker 2: Seven games, three interceptions, six fumbles.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, six fumbles, Yeah, that's more than one per

748
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: game obviously not quite No, I mean turnovers.

749
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's nine total potential.

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Speaker 3: He's under a turnover game, he's over. Yeah.

751
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Speaker 2: And that could be a hidden stat in this week's game,

752
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: y it it could be because they've turned the ball

753
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Speaker 2: over ten times. The Steelers haven't. I mean, they just

754
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Speaker 2: haven't turned the football over like.

755
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: That because he's hard to get to. The ball comes

756
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: out very quick with Lawrence. But this is a better

757
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: pass rush than most he's faced, at least, if not all.

758
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: I'd have to think about all the guys they played.

759
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: But as a runner, if he doesn't protect the ball,

760
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: what high Smith? I mean, they're good in the is

761
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: there is in the league at forcing fumbles.

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Speaker 2: Here are the guys that Nick Schook has picket ranked

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Speaker 2: ahead of Mac Jones. Mac Jones jumped up fourteen spots,

764
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Speaker 2: so he was at thirty two going into this past week.

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Speaker 3: Another example. If it's easy to move up this list,

766
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Speaker 3: but I would take pickt over Jones.

767
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: But he has seven interceptions in two fumbles in seven games.

768
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Speaker 2: Derek Carr.

769
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Speaker 3: He's got to be falling quick.

770
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he dropped. He's got four interceptions in two fumbles,

771
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: so he's taken.

772
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: He doesn't Kerry conservative with the ball.

773
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs three interceptions, six fumbles.

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00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's getting worse. Uh.

775
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: Sam Howe seven interceptions, three fumbles.

776
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: Well in one hundred million sacks, Yeah.

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00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 2: That's only going to get worse. Desmond Ritter actually moved

778
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: up this week. He's got six interceptions in six fumbles

779
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: and moved up three or four spots.

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00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: You know, he's three red zone fumbles in the last

781
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: two weeks.

782
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: Ryan Tanneyhill six interceptions, three fumbles.

783
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: Okay, but polled last week two snaps. He's played.

784
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson only four interceptions in seven games, but three fumbles.

785
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson five interceptions, three fumbles, Tyrod Taylor no interceptions,

786
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: he's only lost one. He's only had the one fumble

787
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: so far, but he's only really played two games. Yeah.

788
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew four interceptions, five fumbles, Jordan Love seven interceptions,

789
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 2: two fumbles, more fumbles, Tyson Badger one interception, one fumble.

790
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: Brian Hoyer, well, you know we don't have Bryce Young

791
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: four interceptions, three fumble PJ. Walker three interceptions when fumbling

792
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: two games. All these other quarterbacks are fumbling football. I'm

793
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: not saying Kenny Pickett won't fumble the football at some point,

794
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 2: right right, but he hasn't and that was one of

795
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: the knocks on him coming Well he's got small hands. Yeah,

796
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: you can't protect the football. No, He's done a really

797
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: good job of that in his career.

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Speaker 3: See. I think this is a direct correlation to Tomlin's

799
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: one score game. That was kind of the crux of

800
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: my article is I don't think they're putting the handcuffs

801
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: on Kenny, but I think Tomlin realizes how this team

802
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: is the hand that he has been dealt. He's gonna

803
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: play a lot of one score games, a lot of

804
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: his wins are gonna come from one score games, and

805
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: if Kenny doesn't turn the ball over in those games,

806
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: your chances of winning are exponentially higher. So I know

807
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: some people will be like, you're handcuffing Kenny. You gotta

808
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 3: let him loose. You're not in the facility.

809
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: Every day even what you need to do to win

810
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: the game.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly that'll come. I mean, he's shown that's not

812
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: a Tomlin thing. Ben, throw it all over the art,

813
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, when you're ready, throw it all

814
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 3: over there.

815
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Speaker 2: When you have red paint, you paint the barn red,

816
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: right right. When you have green paints, you paint it

817
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: green right now.

818
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: That the paint isn't going to have you win by

819
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: fourteen or put up thirty.

820
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: It's not going to be the prettiest barn out there.

821
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Ben, throw for seven touchdowns.

822
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: But the wood will be protected.

823
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: Well, the buildings standing. Yeah, the whole job is the

824
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: building doesn't burn down or you know, I mean you're

825
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: still alive, and then that's good coaching.

826
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just I think the quarterback fumble thing is

827
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: just way underrated.

828
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: No, I'm glad, you're glad you bring it up a lot,

829
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: because I don't think about it enough.

830
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: I mean, there's like Rock Purty has five fumbles this year. Really,

831
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: he didn't throw many interceptions, but he will fumble the football.

832
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: Remember he had two against the Steelers.

833
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah and three really, because interceptions, quarterback fumbles aren't created equal.

834
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Speaker 3: Is it lt coming off the blind side and smacking

835
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: it out or do you not protect that? Do you

836
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: not have two hands on the ball enough? In the

837
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: pocket do you leave it out hanging or when you

838
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: scramble do you forget about ball security that you're running

839
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: back and you got to keep it high and tight,

840
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: you know, Like, I'm sure there's trends for this.

841
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: I haven't noticed that with Lawrence when he scrambles that

842
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: he will run with the ball.

843
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: A lot of quarterbacks do that, you know, out by.

844
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: His side where he's he's looking, I could still throw

845
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: the football.

846
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 3: He's a recess.

847
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: And then somebody comes crashing and behind you, and yeah,

848
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: strips it loose.

849
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 3: There's long arms and there's a lot of moving parts

850
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: to hit.

851
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: Just saying, don't be surprised that that turns out to

852
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: be maybe the deciding factor in his game one way

853
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: or the other.

854
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, the Steelers did it again. High Smith caused

855
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: the flukey fumble. Well maybe it's not a flute.

856
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, TJ wat Chase Trevor Lawrence down from behind and.

857
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: Chopping the ball eight yards downfield or whatever. Right, maybe

858
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: it's not a flute.

859
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not. Anyways, we're going to get to another break.

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. And what deck were you just

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Speaker 2: talking about? Off the here?

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Speaker 3: I can't all kinds of good stuff. We're spinning gold

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Speaker 3: as usual. Yeah, I know it was a terrible idea,

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Speaker 3: but it would be a great idea. If they just

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00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: kept all of our conversation.

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00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: Awful, awful, we would not be here any longer.

881
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: But there too, there is to be some serious editing.

882
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some beeps and things of that nature. Yes,

883
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 2: But Trevor Lawrence Matty getting rid of the football faster

884
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: than any quarterback in the league right now.

885
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: Of course, this is by design, you know. I mean

886
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: he is, he's very cerebral. I mean there's a reason

887
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 3: he was the transcendent prospect, which I hate that stuff

888
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: because I mean, now Caleb Williams is dealing with that.

889
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, now he's the guy.

890
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: He has one bad game. I don't know if he's

891
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: not doesn't walk on water, he doesn't turn water into wine.

892
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: So I don't know. But Lawrence is very, very good

893
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: from the neck up, and Peterson's a very good offensive mind.

894
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: They're a good marriage. I think they're going to be

895
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 3: successful in this league. Will they win one hundred Super

896
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: Bowls together? Who knows. But what I don't know about

897
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: the team or the offense is is one of the

898
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: reasons the ball comes out so quick by design obviously,

899
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: is they don't trust the protection. I mean, I know

900
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: they've had their first round pick was a tackle for

901
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: a reason. The left tackle was suspended. The right tackle

902
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: is a rookie. It's not we know it's not the

903
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: Eagles line. I mean, they do keep a lot, they

904
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: do use a lot of extra time ends. Ingram's not

905
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: a blocker, but the others the others are. The others are,

906
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: so that implies they don't trust their protection. They will

907
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: throw deep, and he has a very good deep ball percentage,

908
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: but the ball comes out quicker than any offensive league.

909
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 3: The question is why, right, you know, because he's good

910
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: at it, because they got a lot of quick hitting

911
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: guys like Atn and Kirk and Ingram on crossers. He's

912
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: getting like six targets a game no matter what, and

913
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: it's working. Or is it because I don't want that

914
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: guy blocking long?

915
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: Well, I can't imagine that they would want Anton Harrison,

916
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: the rookie right tackle blocking TJ want all.

917
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: That offense doesn't go for this game. I'm sure that's

918
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 3: not going to change, right. I mean, they're not gonna

919
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: be like, well, we've won four in a row with

920
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: the quickest you know, time to throw in the league.

921
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: Let's hold it in Actu Sure Stadium for three seconds

922
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: and see how that happens.

923
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: It's the conundrum the Steelers' opponents face. Yeah, because the

924
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: Steelers are seeing they're allowing the large one of the

925
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: worst average depth for targets in the league.

926
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's the worst. It's the deepest. It's

927
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: the deepest because the completion percentage against the Steelers is

928
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: very low, but the average depth target is very.

929
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: It's almost like they're dangling the carrot out there and saying, okay,

930
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: here it is, go ahead and try something deep. Yeah,

931
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: but if you do, you're gonna have to deal with

932
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: this pass rush. Oh and make a Fitzpatrick's in the

933
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: middle of the field too.

934
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: It is it is kind of a catch twenty two that, Yeah,

935
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: we want to attack this team deep because frankly, they're

936
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: outside corners haven't played great. We know that opposing receivers

937
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: will put up big numbers. So is this more of

938
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: a Ridley game than it has been because he's the

939
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: outside the numbers guy. But then you've got to hold

940
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: the ball a little longer, you know, and why mess

941
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 3: with what's working. Get it out in two point one

942
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: if you can. It's it's two point like one two

943
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: point one six, Yeah, I mean.

944
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: When Roethlisberger was doing that a couple of years ago,

945
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: he's getting rid of the ball in like two point

946
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: two to three seconds. This is even faster.

947
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: It's even faster, right, I mean, And a lot of

948
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: it's to atm make something happen Ingram on a quick crosser.

949
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: It might be why they have so many fumbles too.

950
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: I would think those a lot of those are on

951
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: the quarterback. But still, but that's a good point. I mean,

952
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: if you're hitching football near the line of scrimmage, they're

953
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: they're high and drops or high in fumbles.

954
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: Well, that makes sense, It makes sense. It all adds up.

955
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: That's what I like about numbers is you can start

956
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: to okay, these are interesting. Why they an outlier? Well,

957
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: let's go put that puzzle piece in and eventually that

958
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: you get a better feel for the team as the

959
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: week goes on and you add them all up. I

960
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm sure they're I would think their average

961
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: depth of target against the Steelers will be less than

962
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: what the Steelers are accustomed to facing.

963
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I would. I think.

964
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: It's a quick processor. Why mess with it on the

965
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: road against Watt and Highsmith. But the folks, to be

966
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: very honest, if the ball's coming out in two to one,

967
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: if those two tackles don't even get a hand on

968
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: Watt and Highsmith, for as wide as they are, they

969
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: still might not make the sack. You know, like it's

970
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: hard let alone the wantlet that Watt's been facing. I

971
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: got to avoid a tight end slot receiver. Then I

972
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: got to deal with the tight end. Then I gotta

973
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: deal with the right tackle.

974
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's running the obstacle course on his sacks this week,

975
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: but we have seen him be very good at getting

976
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: you jumping up and tipping the bottoms or just jumping

977
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: up and catching it. Uh, you know we're dropping in

978
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: the coverage.

979
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: Just say he makes an impact other places though. Yeah,

980
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: he actually lined up on the right side a couple

981
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: of times in the last game because of how far

982
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: they were pushing them away from the ball, and well,

983
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: what's dropping in the coverage once and bringing overloaw Blitz

984
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: from the other side, you know, So.

985
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: There are things you can do to it to come

986
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 2: bat these quick throws. It's almost like this is why

987
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: the fire zone was invented. Yeah, because the West Coast

988
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: offense as well. We're gonna run all these slants and

989
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: get the ball quickly. Okay, Dicklebosa, you're gon We're gonna

990
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna do that. I'm gonna start dropping my nose

991
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: tackle where I'm gonna drop and brush these guys instead,

992
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: and you're gonna see guys in the passing lanes you

993
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: didn't expect to see there.

994
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: And I think you said this earlier. I wouldn't be

995
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: shocked if you see some inco wrinkles or yeah, I

996
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: know Labs mentioned this could be a mink. He's due. Yeah,

997
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: he's definitely due. I mean we know that. But it's

998
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: not like he's playing bad.

999
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: I would put like this might be a game where

1000
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: you look at him and say, okay, Minka. They've got

1001
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of different because they've been putting Minca on,

1002
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, different players in different situations. Let him play,

1003
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: like play some Cover one here and.

1004
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: Or maybe he's the spy, be the Robert the field,

1005
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: the Robert this weekending so much jumps, jumps some stuff

1006
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: over the middle, or go tackle.

1007
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence and when he scrambles.

1008
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 3: I'm even thinking like paulam Alu stuff you like you'd

1009
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: see paulam Olo creek up to the line of scrimmage.

1010
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: Maybe he's blitzing, but then he drops all the way

1011
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: into cover two. Or but I mean he could drop

1012
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: into the middle of the field just as the spy,

1013
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: because you know Lawrence is running so much. Here comes

1014
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: inger him on a crosser. I didn't think Minko was there.

1015
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: Ball came out quick, but it wasn't the right decision. Yeah,

1016
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: you could do it with linebackers.

1017
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: Too, absolutely, So it's gonna be an interesting chess game again.

1018
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what the NFL is all about.

1019
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: It's all about putting your guys in the right position

1020
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 2: to make those kind of plays. And stealers have some

1021
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: of those dudes that can make those kind of plays.

1022
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: I could see Mica Heaven being the star of the

1023
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: defense statistically. Yea. You know, it might not be a

1024
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: huge WATSAC game, but because of that, they play off

1025
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: of it.

1026
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I agree. But Matt, that's going to do

1027
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Speaker 2: it for our show today. We'll be back again tomorrow

1028
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Speaker 2: to we'll give our DFS lineup, we'll give our score predictions,

1029
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: all the good stuff. But that's going to do it

1030
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: for the show. So for my partner Matt Williamson, for

1031
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: Brian Lamartine here on site keeping us on the air,

1032
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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lellye. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of The Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

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