WEBVTT - 3 | Coming Clean

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<v Speaker 2>Previously on Crook County.

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<v Speaker 4>I got recruited into the mob when I was seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>years old.

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<v Speaker 2>My father, Kenny, lived a secret double life for over

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know if he was in the mob until

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<v Speaker 4>maybe twenty years after you guys were born.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also hiding a destructive heroin addiction.

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<v Speaker 5>It's crazy to have someone that was so strong in.

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<v Speaker 1>My life and it was everything.

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<v Speaker 4>So he fucking budged him in the face over drugs

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<v Speaker 4>because he was destroyed our fucking family.

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<v Speaker 2>Until it almost killed him in twenty thirteen, and he

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<v Speaker 2>called my son Kyle and he asked Kyle for help.

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<v Speaker 2>No more secrets, no more lies. It's time I learned

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<v Speaker 2>the truth. My name is Kyle Tequila.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome to Crook County.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, listen, there are girls in and out of there

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<v Speaker 4>for years and years and years and years and years.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, go in there, crap a deal with the client,

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<v Speaker 4>come back to us, pay us our fucking portion, go

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<v Speaker 4>to work, get out quick, and wait for the next guy.

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<v Speaker 4>These girls were pure, pure business, and they made a

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<v Speaker 4>ton of fucking money.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode three, Coming clean.

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<v Speaker 4>My son, Kyle, Justin and Jesse BROI.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll get about Jesse going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Brother Justin lives with me.

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<v Speaker 4>Jesse's the house manager, all right, and I'm the.

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<v Speaker 2>King, the King, okay, perfect, Well, where does the King live? Today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm visiting my dad for the first time in a year.

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<v Speaker 2>He's showing me around his place of work, a group

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<v Speaker 2>of small apartments that serve as a halfway house for

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<v Speaker 2>people in recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is one of our units here. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>girl's felt all right. How many units are there? You

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<v Speaker 1>got four units?

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool? Well compound, huh. That noise you hear is

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<v Speaker 2>a carpet cleaning crew getting a unit ready for another client.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody's out of here five o'clock and then go, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, No, you can leave.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he also lives here in one of the units.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice man.

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<v Speaker 7>It's better than the last place.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's better than the house.

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<v Speaker 2>The house felt like really cramped and your room was

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<v Speaker 2>like in weird in.

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<v Speaker 1>A living room. Yeah, okay, listen, doesn't cost you dying.

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<v Speaker 1>This is marked yes, buddy, Kyle, because this is my son, Kyle.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the kitchen so nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Real father, real father, real son.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you have a book stock and I look

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<v Speaker 1>at his hands on my head. I know, yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>did well.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got you look from him?

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<v Speaker 6>You look from him?

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<v Speaker 1>No, my mom, I figured as much that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to believe. It's already been six years since

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<v Speaker 2>I dropped him off at rehab. He's still not his old, strong,

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<v Speaker 2>masured self. I don't think he ever will be, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's come a long way from the shaking, broken down

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<v Speaker 2>man I picked up from the airport in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask you guys to leave. Why we do

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<v Speaker 1>this interview because he needs quiet. I'm gonna do come

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<v Speaker 1>and yoga. What are you talking about I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>go get laid. All right, go get laid.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to interrupt that. I'll bet yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Sinatra, huh yeah, set the mood.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it feels right that we're talking about the mafia.

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<v Speaker 7>You got Sinatra in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>We decided to do the interview in his room because

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<v Speaker 2>of the noise. It's a tight space with little but

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<v Speaker 2>a twin bed against the wall and a crate a

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<v Speaker 2>cheap lamp on it. I mean, maybe bring a chair

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<v Speaker 2>in here, or you can sit on the bed. It

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<v Speaker 2>honestly reminds me of my freshman year dorm room at

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<v Speaker 2>si U. All that's missing is a Bob Marley poster

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<v Speaker 2>tack to the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll talk it, I'll just sit right there or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we begin fill me in here, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing these days?

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<v Speaker 1>And where am I right now? Right at the very moment.

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<v Speaker 4>I am the manager of a sober living area where

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<v Speaker 4>we have four apartments that we have clients and that

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<v Speaker 4>are far enough in their recovery, at least sixty days

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<v Speaker 4>of recovery, but they live under my direction and these

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<v Speaker 4>apartments here. Being a drug addict myself, who has been

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<v Speaker 4>sober for six years. I am working with those people

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<v Speaker 4>and we can hold up to six girls and ten guys,

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<v Speaker 4>all in separate apartments, and I run them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in charge of that. I babysit. That's basically what

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I babysits, I drug test, I breath alze. I make

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<v Speaker 4>sure they're on t I make sure they're looking for work.

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<v Speaker 4>I make sure there's not too much idle time with them.

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<v Speaker 1>I try.

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<v Speaker 4>What my job is is to get them ready to

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<v Speaker 4>go back out in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what I chose to do.

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<v Speaker 4>We are very, very sick people, and I am a

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<v Speaker 4>firm believer in AA. It saved my life, while on

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<v Speaker 4>the other hand, drugs ruined my life. It ruined everything,

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<v Speaker 4>ruined my family, ruined my homes, ruined my businesses, ruined

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<v Speaker 4>everything because I was a raging addict, a raging heroin addict, believe.

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<v Speaker 1>It or not, at my age.

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<v Speaker 4>So I came out here to California with my son.

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<v Speaker 4>My son got me into treatment six years ago. I

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<v Speaker 4>had a couple of relapses, but they got me so

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<v Speaker 4>over and now, like I said, I've been sober for

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<v Speaker 4>six years and now I work with these people, and

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<v Speaker 4>that is what I do now to to thank God

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<v Speaker 4>for not let me be dead or something else what

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<v Speaker 4>happened to my family. So that's my gift back, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I do. I'm going to help the people that

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<v Speaker 4>need to help the most because I know I.

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<v Speaker 1>Needed a man, I need it a bad So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I do.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, this is a big moment, one that I honestly

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't expecting. I have never in all my life seen

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<v Speaker 8>my dad cry.

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<v Speaker 4>Anybody that listen, guys, You guys got family members that

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<v Speaker 4>are drug addicts, alcoholics. There's someone in your family somewhere,

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<v Speaker 4>a grandparent and uncle and aunt that Stanetika carries down

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<v Speaker 4>that gene.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe your kids, maybe some of you kids listening to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Go get help.

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<v Speaker 4>You cannot control this, you cannot. It is the sniper.

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<v Speaker 4>It is the devil. It lays in wait for you

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<v Speaker 4>and it will take you out at your weakest moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Go get help. Save me fucking life. It saved my life,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 7>M Yeah, does anybody does anybody around you know about

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<v Speaker 7>any of the stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>No one knows anything? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>They have their they you know, they know him from Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I've got a little bit of an accent.

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<v Speaker 4>They hear it in my they hear words that I study,

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<v Speaker 4>stuff that I say, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the snicker behind my back.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a gangster, you know, from Chicago. But they don't

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<v Speaker 4>know anything. I don't tell many stories. I do not share.

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<v Speaker 4>We do a thing in treatment in AA that's called sharing.

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<v Speaker 4>We share a life story, you know what got us

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<v Speaker 4>into treatment. But I've never shared. That's the one thing

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't done with AA. Share because it's not something

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<v Speaker 4>I really choose to share.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting a few months into his recovery, I would regularly

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<v Speaker 2>visit him. It was during these visits that he started

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<v Speaker 2>opening up about his past. The story here, the memory there,

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<v Speaker 2>but never the whole picture. It seems he's fine, finally

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<v Speaker 2>let's jump back to the very beginning. A seventeen year

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<v Speaker 2>old kid named Kenny just got accidentally recruited into the

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<v Speaker 2>outfit for robbing a drug dealer.

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<v Speaker 4>So these two come up on me. I'm sitting down. Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going I'm thinking of myself. Ah fuck, here we go. Here,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm completely unprepared, came up on me, and the bigger

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<v Speaker 4>guy goes. The older guy goes, is that him? And

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<v Speaker 4>the kid goes, Yeah, that's him. That's the guy that

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<v Speaker 4>robbed me uncle. He ran a fucking crew. So he

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<v Speaker 4>tells me, He goes, are you looking for a job, Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking for a job. I'm a fucking starving her.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how I got into a fucking outfit. So he

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<v Speaker 4>was impressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that reminds me. Before we dive into this, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a serious conversation with a criminal defense attorney about

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<v Speaker 2>all this. He's very worried about this story going public.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you need to be careful, no matter how much

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<v Speaker 9>you disapproved of what your father did, if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 9>have the SBI breading down your back because he's not

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<v Speaker 9>just a street doug. He's connected to a syndicate. If

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<v Speaker 9>your dad was serving life for murder, the government would

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<v Speaker 9>be far less interested. Please understand that if your dad

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<v Speaker 9>being alive, that means others are a lot. The information

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<v Speaker 9>is too recent. The nineteen eighties is yesterday, and I

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<v Speaker 9>really believe that it's a mistake. I would encourage you

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<v Speaker 9>not to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I also asked my dad to weigh in on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and here's what he said.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all dead man. Yeah, I have to realize that

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<v Speaker 4>I was really young. That's why they called me kid.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody was at least ten years older than me. At

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<v Speaker 4>least ten years older than me. And if they're not

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<v Speaker 4>dead of old age, they're dead from a hit, they're

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<v Speaker 4>dead from an overdose, or like I said, dead from

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<v Speaker 4>old age.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's anybody left. I doubt it very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So after talking it through, we both agreed that, for

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<v Speaker 2>his own safety and mine, to give fake aliases to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone involved in the outfit, and to remove or obscure

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<v Speaker 2>any specific identifying details about people, places, and dates. I

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<v Speaker 2>should also know that there's no way for me to

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<v Speaker 2>prove any of this since most of the information was

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<v Speaker 2>never reported anywhere that I'm aware of. I'm going solely

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<v Speaker 2>here on my dad's word and I'll leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>So without further ado, let's meet our first character in

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<v Speaker 2>the outfit, the made guy who recruited my dad, Mickey Gennaro.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a powerful man, good guy, businessman, well dressed,

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<v Speaker 4>well kept, well spoken, good looking guy. Always took time

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<v Speaker 4>to say hi to me, always took time to little

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<v Speaker 4>chat with me, just a little bit. I never saw

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<v Speaker 4>him do that with anybody else. Always took a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of minutes out to say hi to me. And I

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<v Speaker 4>like the way he behaved. He didn't act like a gangster. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>he acted like a normal person. He wasn't a sociopath, narcissistic,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, mobster guy. You know those guys loved to

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<v Speaker 4>play the part, love to play the part of gangster.

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<v Speaker 4>I never could understand that grease ball bullshit. So but

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't do that, so I admired him.

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<v Speaker 2>Mickey was also the son of a notorious street boss

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<v Speaker 2>they called the Old Man.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was at that time in cook Connie, the

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<v Speaker 4>king of the chop shops. They'd heist a car, they'd

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<v Speaker 4>heist a truck with cars on it and bring him

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<v Speaker 4>back to his shops, chopped the shit out of him,

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<v Speaker 4>changed the numbers and shipped them out. They shipped them

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<v Speaker 4>out all over the world, you know, as far as

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<v Speaker 4>Saudi Arabia. I mean, they were going all over the

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<v Speaker 4>world these cars, and it was a big, big, big

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<v Speaker 4>money maker. I only saw him a couple times, kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a gravelly old guy, if I can remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 4>It looked like a typical fucking greasy gangster was to

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<v Speaker 4>put real fucking grease ball, you know. But he was

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<v Speaker 4>a very powerful man.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenny spent his first year working for Mickey until he

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<v Speaker 2>learned the ropes.

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<v Speaker 4>I was an aaron boy when I first started, a

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<v Speaker 4>low level, very very low level, dropping money off, collecting

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<v Speaker 4>gambling money. No hits yet, but you know, doing some beatings.

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<v Speaker 4>But I always had somebody with me, so I was

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<v Speaker 4>like assisting the person that was doing the heavy work.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's that's kind of where I learned how to

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<v Speaker 4>do heavy work.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't take long for Kenny to prove his worth,

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<v Speaker 2>so Mickey gave him a new job.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so I'd dope for him on the side

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<v Speaker 4>and get a half the key. I'd break it up

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<v Speaker 4>at a scale. Some of it i'd cook up for

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<v Speaker 4>the free based clients, and the rest of it I

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<v Speaker 4>just ate bald up. And I can't remember how the

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<v Speaker 4>freebase sold, I really can't. And that was you smoke

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<v Speaker 4>that shit whatever. Stuff was insane. It was just just

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<v Speaker 4>a rush of euphoria. Would just just just just look

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<v Speaker 4>like a tidal wave, just knock you over. And the

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<v Speaker 4>problem was Now you're chasing that shit all the time

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<v Speaker 4>because you don't get that. After that you get that

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<v Speaker 4>first hit, that's it. You're not gonna find it. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know you're always chasing that first blast anyway, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>But he.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't supposed to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>That would have been bad for me, and that would

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<v Speaker 4>have been very bad for him because I was just

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<v Speaker 4>taking an order, all right. I was just obeying orders.

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<v Speaker 4>But you can't do that, man, You cannot do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No selling dope. This is one of the many strange

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<v Speaker 2>rules the outfit had for itself that I find fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Their entire enterprise is built on crime, but drugs, so

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<v Speaker 2>where they draw the line.

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<v Speaker 1>We could not sell dope. People, We could not sell dope.

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<v Speaker 1>We were not allowed to sell dope. You got caught

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<v Speaker 1>selling dope, you were big ass fucking trouble because that

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<v Speaker 1>to bring heat on you. The whole thing.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't want to bring any heat on any of us,

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're going to do something stupid like sell dope,

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to bring heat on you. People were coked

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<v Speaker 4>up all the time, so you're dealing with people that

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<v Speaker 4>were fucking high. Twenty four to seven on coked, so

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<v Speaker 4>no one's in her really right mind. You know, no

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<v Speaker 4>one's sober. Everybody's fucked up. And it dictated a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of things. It got a lot of people killed.

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<v Speaker 2>That actually makes good sense, And of course everyone knew that,

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<v Speaker 2>but many guys did it anyway. The money was just

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<v Speaker 2>too good, and Kenny, he was happy to take a

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<v Speaker 2>small slice of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen, here's the deal, man, This was quick, fast money.

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<v Speaker 4>All right. This was not my career, and this is

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<v Speaker 4>not what I chose to do with my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seventeen years old, all right. I'm living in a backseat.

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<v Speaker 4>Of my car.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hungry.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a survivalist, you know. And it's a job and

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<v Speaker 4>it's income.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I could start to get some security more in my life,

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<v Speaker 4>at least get an apartment, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm taking this. I'm jumping on this.

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<v Speaker 2>As I got deeper into the details of my dad's

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<v Speaker 2>life story, I began to wonder just how much of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff is actually true. The no selling drugs thing,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, how do I even attempt to verify something

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<v Speaker 2>like this or any other inner workings of an organization

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<v Speaker 2>notorious for their secrecy, especially in the seventies and eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>when the mafia moved through the streets with near impunity.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it would be a good idea to find

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<v Speaker 2>an outside perspective on the inner workings of the outfit,

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<v Speaker 2>a mafia expert that could weigh in when necessary throughout

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<v Speaker 2>this series. So I reached out to veteran crime reporter

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Cohen of the Chicago Tribune. Jeff is an expert

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<v Speaker 2>on organized crime in Chicago and covered one of the

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<v Speaker 2>largest mafia trials in history, the infamous FBI operation Family

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<v Speaker 2>Secrets that almost single handily took out the entire Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>outfit in two thousand and seven. I sent Jeff a

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<v Speaker 2>few rough versions of these episodes to get him up

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<v Speaker 2>to speed.

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<v Speaker 5>That's quite the family tale you've got.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Yes, unfortunately, Yes it is. Yeah. Thankfully he agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to add his voice to this story. So I asked

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<v Speaker 2>him about the no drugs rule.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, as crazy as that sounds, it is actually true

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<v Speaker 5>that most of the time, drugs was not their business

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<v Speaker 5>for variety of reasons. I guess I think it was

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<v Speaker 5>more difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>For them to control.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it is one of the elements that was

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<v Speaker 5>typically a problem. You had large amounts of money moving

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<v Speaker 5>between people that they couldn't necessarily keep their fingers on.

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<v Speaker 5>It was also a real area of heat back, especially

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<v Speaker 5>in the eighties when you had sort of the war

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<v Speaker 5>on drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>It just was not a clean business for them.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't something that they could run tightly, make sure

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<v Speaker 5>stayed under the radar, they could get reliable money out

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<v Speaker 5>of it. It was none of those things. Would it

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<v Speaker 5>could go sideways in a minute. You had major federal

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<v Speaker 5>heat on it all the time, and it was just

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<v Speaker 5>more trouble than it was worth, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of times for them, even though it was big, big money.

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<v Speaker 5>But whorehouses, chop shops, any any kind of a legal

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<v Speaker 5>business that's along that line definitely would have been within

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<v Speaker 5>the outfits purview at that time. You know, whorehouses, especially

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<v Speaker 5>anything related to sex advice. They typically had a piece

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<v Speaker 5>of it across the Chicago area.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually, Mickey saw a new opportunity for Kenny within the outfit,

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<v Speaker 2>something a little more permanent, and introduced him to a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Jack Erickson, a crew boss who would end

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<v Speaker 2>up playing a much larger role in entrenching Kenny within

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<v Speaker 2>the ranks.

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<v Speaker 4>My boss, my crew boss, was Jack Jack Jackie Lemus Erickson.

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<v Speaker 1>A great guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I love Jack Man, it was I really admired him.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a great guy, well kept. Still a gangster,

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<v Speaker 4>but a well kept gangster. You know, his genes were

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<v Speaker 4>even creased.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He was one of those guys. Everything was

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<v Speaker 1>perfect on him.

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<v Speaker 4>Clean, neat, nails done, manicure, pedicure.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them guys. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack became sort of a father figure to young Kenny.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he was. He was a mentor. He trained me,

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<v Speaker 1>He trained me. He just took me under his wing

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<v Speaker 1>and he trained me. I was the young guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta remember, I was the absolute youngest guy there.

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<v Speaker 4>These guys had twenty years on me. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>was the kid. So he just kind of took me

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<v Speaker 4>under his wing and trained me, took care of me,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, make sure I did everything good, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>make sure I didn't get in trouble, make sure he

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<v Speaker 4>had my back.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I felt safe.

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<v Speaker 4>I just felt safe when I went out to do

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<v Speaker 4>bad work because I knew I had the the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the mob behind me.

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<v Speaker 1>The outfit was on my back.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I had that that always to fall back.

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<v Speaker 1>So that kind of relieved a lot of the fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack also had a very important job within the outfit,

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<v Speaker 2>one that required a unique kind of personality and responsibility.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he ran the horror houses every night, just bouncing

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<v Speaker 4>from horror house to horrorhouse, checking on the bank, seeing

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<v Speaker 4>how things are going, making sure nobody was selling dope,

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<v Speaker 4>making sure the girls weren't too high because they were

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<v Speaker 4>always high, making sure the guys weren't too high because

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<v Speaker 4>they were always high. You know, just kind of keeping

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:19.679
<v Speaker 4>things runnable, you know, babysitting basically, kind of like what

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 4>I do now for a living, babysitting a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>drug addicts and alcoholics.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what he was doing back then. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's what That's what That's what Jack did.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack saw a lot of potential in Kenny.

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<v Speaker 4>He he trusted me. He trusted me because I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>steal money. I didn't do dope while I worked, I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't sell dope while I worked. I just did my

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<v Speaker 4>job and my count every night right up there, every

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<v Speaker 4>night for years. Man, it's hard to find an honest

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<v Speaker 4>guy in the fucking outfit.

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<v Speaker 9>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was an anomaly. I don't even want to say

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<v Speaker 1>a rarity, an anomaly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he made him an offer he couldn't refuse,

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<v Speaker 2>running the door at one of the brothels in Cook County.

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<v Speaker 4>So for the years I spent working in the whorehouses,

0:24:06.159 --> 0:24:08.999
<v Speaker 4>the clubs, and they were scattered all over Cook County

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<v Speaker 4>through Page County in Kane County, and we can only

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<v Speaker 4>put them in the unincorporated areas because we had the

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<v Speaker 4>county police pretty much taken care of. We'd rent a house,

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<v Speaker 4>a single family home, and we'd get in there, gut

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<v Speaker 4>it to an extent, put about six bedrooms in there,

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<v Speaker 4>small rooms with little peop holes. They had a peep

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<v Speaker 4>hole in the door and a peep hole in the walls.

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<v Speaker 4>Not everyone could be peeped, but if we could peep them,

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<v Speaker 4>we peeped them. The living room would stay as a

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<v Speaker 4>living room, The kitchen would stay as a kitchen. We

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<v Speaker 4>had a front area where they came in a little

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<v Speaker 4>fourier area there where we would take their id look

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<v Speaker 4>them up in the powered catalog that we had.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually gave them a fucking idea. Can you believe

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 1>that shit?

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<v Speaker 4>Match the id with the pitcher, the picture with the face,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we'd let them in. Now, how did they

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<v Speaker 4>become members. They would come in I want to be

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<v Speaker 4>membered as club. You know, it is a guy. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a million people out there that want to join the

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 4>warehouses or horny bastards. Okay, the people that frequent horror

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 4>houses know where horror houses are. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 4>advertise as shit, They just know where they are. They

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<v Speaker 4>would come in and want to join the club. So

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<v Speaker 4>we would put them through a process. We would make

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<v Speaker 4>sure we're check their employment, to check their ID. We

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<v Speaker 4>even had something with County but the County Vice guys

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<v Speaker 4>where we would have them run something by them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't remember, but we would run something with them

0:25:39.639 --> 0:25:41.639
<v Speaker 4>and then after we got him checked out. I didn't

0:25:41.639 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 4>do the checkout process. That wasn't my job, So I

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:46.479
<v Speaker 4>can't really expound too much on this. So anyway, they

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 4>became members through a process that we put them through.

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<v Speaker 1>Pictures and verification.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, we wanted to make sure they weren't vice, the

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<v Speaker 4>honest vice.

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<v Speaker 1>We wanted to make sure they weren't the honest vice.

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<v Speaker 1>How's that sound?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh sounds like my dad was a bona fide pimp.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it sounds, you know, you'd think, after all

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<v Speaker 2>this time, nothing would shock me anymore. But you would

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<v Speaker 2>be wrong. All right, What was it like?

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<v Speaker 4>Once you got inside, a guy would come in, bring

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<v Speaker 4>them in, introduce them. The girls would be sitting there,

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<v Speaker 4>the girls that'd stand up. I'd introduce them to all

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<v Speaker 4>the girls by name, name Sindy. We did have drinks.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't a bar, but they would go you want to

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<v Speaker 1>drink and go back in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 4>They make a guy a drink, mostly his beer, beer

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<v Speaker 4>and wine, and then they would sit and talk to

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<v Speaker 4>the girls.

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<v Speaker 1>And it could go on anywhere from ten minutes to

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<v Speaker 1>two hours. They could.

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<v Speaker 4>Some guys just came in there and just partied with

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<v Speaker 4>the girls. Sat partied with them.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't mind. They were members.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus, when somebody else came in, it made that person

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<v Speaker 4>rush a little bit because there was someone else in there.

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<v Speaker 4>That guy that's already in there was going to take

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<v Speaker 4>the girl that this new guy came in, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, So they maybe kick it up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd pick up their make their choice a little bit faster.

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<v Speaker 4>So right, come in, chattered up with the girls, decide

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<v Speaker 4>who they like. The girl would take them back to

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<v Speaker 4>one of the rooms and they would negotiate a deal

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<v Speaker 4>so much for whatever sex they wanted. They'd seal the deal,

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<v Speaker 4>the girl would leave the guy in the room. The

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<v Speaker 4>girl would come out, come see me and say one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred dollars for blowjob and missionary sex. She would hand

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<v Speaker 4>me fifty have to take and then she would be

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<v Speaker 4>on her way.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the end of the operation. That was how

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<v Speaker 1>it worked, very simple. Did things ever get out of control?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they got.

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<v Speaker 4>I can sold people come and drunk or all coked out,

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<v Speaker 4>but they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>They got their asses beat bad. We would make a.

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<v Speaker 4>Phone call and there would be four muscle showing up

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<v Speaker 4>within fifteen minutes, and it was just you know, they'd

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<v Speaker 4>be when we got them to their cars, they'd be

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<v Speaker 4>We'd put them in their cars and they'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Be half hanging, half in, half out and just counting.

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<v Speaker 4>Stopped by and they knew it was a whore house there,

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<v Speaker 4>and but we want to keep them on property. We'd

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<v Speaker 4>get them out on the street in their cars, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't last long. They got they got beat pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 4>They got beat really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Who are these people just drunk assholes in members?

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<v Speaker 10>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, these These are members.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, these are members, or a guest of a member

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<v Speaker 4>or a guest of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Member could bring in one guest, all right, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, alcohol drugs turns people weird. Man, people go

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<v Speaker 1>stupid sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean ninety percent of the time it was fine,

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<v Speaker 4>but that ten percent there was, you know, something would

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<v Speaker 4>go wrong. That's just that's just, that's just law of

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<v Speaker 4>average man. Something's abound to go wrong eventually. But we

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<v Speaker 4>jumped on there quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to keep reminding myself. He's still only nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. Everybody else's age is fresh out of

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<v Speaker 2>high school, going to bars and trying to get laid

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<v Speaker 2>without a care in the world. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 2>I was an absolute moron at nineteen, that's a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can only imagine three years selling drugs and

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out beatings at a brothel for the mafia will

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<v Speaker 2>make it grow up real fucking fast. I wonder, can

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<v Speaker 2>you even try to have a regular life?

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<v Speaker 1>What would you do in your free time? So, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, hangout. I had friends, you know, some friends

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd hang.

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<v Speaker 4>Out with, do normal guys stuff, you know, watch football

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<v Speaker 4>on Sundays.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just a normal guy. It's just a normal

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<v Speaker 1>young guy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all go to bars with my friends, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>pick up.

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<v Speaker 1>Chicks, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells me he wasn't looking for a girlfriend, let

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<v Speaker 2>alone anything serious. But one night, as things do, all

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<v Speaker 2>that changed.

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<v Speaker 4>I met her at a club called SLPs some other place,

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<v Speaker 4>and the splains I think it is sa her sitting

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the bar, beautiful redhead, sexy. I

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<v Speaker 4>fell in love with her pretty quick, so I just

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<v Speaker 4>walked up to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as a matter of course of time. We just

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<v Speaker 1>ended up dating.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've guessed it already, But that pretty little

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<v Speaker 2>redhead at the bar was my mother.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought your mother was beautiful. I think I was

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen when I met her. She was twenty. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>had listen. I hadn't work to get your mother, damn it.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't easy. She wasn't like one of the whores

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<v Speaker 4>like you just say, come on, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to work for that. I didn't work for

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<v Speaker 1>your mom. That was a job. That was a job.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a job. Man who's worth it?

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<v Speaker 2>Them?

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<v Speaker 1>It was well worth it.

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<v Speaker 6>Next week on Crook County.

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<v Speaker 2>Just look at me now and tremble.

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<v Speaker 4>We would have to take bus every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 4>just so Cook County Cops could show that they're making

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<v Speaker 4>some progress here when half the motherfuckers were running their

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<v Speaker 4>own horse on the side out of our fucking clubs.

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