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Speaker 2: Previously on Crook County.

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Speaker 4: I got recruited into the mob when I was seventeen

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Speaker 4: years old.

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Speaker 2: My father, Kenny, lived a secret double life for over

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Speaker 2: twenty years.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know if he was in the mob until

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Speaker 4: maybe twenty years after you guys were born.

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Speaker 2: He was also hiding a destructive heroin addiction.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy to have someone that was so strong in.

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Speaker 1: My life and it was everything.

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Speaker 4: So he fucking budged him in the face over drugs

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Speaker 4: because he was destroyed our fucking family.

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Speaker 2: Until it almost killed him in twenty thirteen, and he

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Speaker 2: called my son Kyle and he asked Kyle for help.

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Speaker 2: No more secrets, no more lies. It's time I learned

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Speaker 2: the truth. My name is Kyle Tequila.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to Crook County.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, there are girls in and out of there

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Speaker 4: for years and years and years and years and years.

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Speaker 4: All right, go in there, crap a deal with the client,

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Speaker 4: come back to us, pay us our fucking portion, go

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Speaker 4: to work, get out quick, and wait for the next guy.

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Speaker 4: These girls were pure, pure business, and they made a

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Speaker 4: ton of fucking money.

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Speaker 2: Episode three, Coming clean.

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Speaker 4: My son, Kyle, Justin and Jesse BROI.

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Speaker 7: I'll get about Jesse going on.

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Speaker 1: Brother Justin lives with me.

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Speaker 4: Jesse's the house manager, all right, and I'm the.

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Speaker 2: King, the King, okay, perfect, Well, where does the King live? Today?

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Speaker 2: I'm visiting my dad for the first time in a year.

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Speaker 2: He's showing me around his place of work, a group

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Speaker 2: of small apartments that serve as a halfway house for

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Speaker 2: people in recovery.

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Speaker 1: So this is one of our units here. It's a

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Speaker 1: girl's felt all right. How many units are there? You

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Speaker 1: got four units?

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Speaker 2: That's cool? Well compound, huh. That noise you hear is

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Speaker 2: a carpet cleaning crew getting a unit ready for another client.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's out of here five o'clock and then go, well,

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Speaker 4: you know what, No, you can leave.

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Speaker 2: No, he also lives here in one of the units.

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Speaker 2: Nice man.

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Speaker 7: It's better than the last place.

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Speaker 1: I think it's better than the house.

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Speaker 2: The house felt like really cramped and your room was

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Speaker 2: like in weird in.

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Speaker 1: A living room. Yeah, okay, listen, doesn't cost you dying.

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Speaker 1: This is marked yes, buddy, Kyle, because this is my son, Kyle.

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Speaker 1: This is the kitchen so nasty.

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Speaker 2: Real father, real father, real son.

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Speaker 1: You know you have a book stock and I look

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Speaker 1: at his hands on my head. I know, yes, he

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Speaker 1: did well.

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Speaker 2: So you got you look from him?

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Speaker 6: You look from him?

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Speaker 1: No, my mom, I figured as much that.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to believe. It's already been six years since

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Speaker 2: I dropped him off at rehab. He's still not his old, strong,

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Speaker 2: masured self. I don't think he ever will be, but

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Speaker 2: he's come a long way from the shaking, broken down

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Speaker 2: man I picked up from the airport in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you guys to leave. Why we do

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Speaker 1: this interview because he needs quiet. I'm gonna do come

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Speaker 1: and yoga. What are you talking about I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: go get laid. All right, go get laid.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to interrupt that. I'll bet yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Well Sinatra, huh yeah, set the mood.

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Speaker 1: I like it feels right that we're talking about the mafia.

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Speaker 7: You got Sinatra in the background.

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Speaker 2: We decided to do the interview in his room because

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Speaker 2: of the noise. It's a tight space with little but

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Speaker 2: a twin bed against the wall and a crate a

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Speaker 2: in here, or you can sit on the bed. It

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Speaker 2: honestly reminds me of my freshman year dorm room at

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Speaker 2: si U. All that's missing is a Bob Marley poster

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Speaker 1: You'll talk it, I'll just sit right there or something.

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Speaker 2: And so we begin fill me in here, what are

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Speaker 2: you doing these days?

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Speaker 1: And where am I right now? Right at the very moment.

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Speaker 4: I am the manager of a sober living area where

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Speaker 4: we have four apartments that we have clients and that

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Speaker 4: are far enough in their recovery, at least sixty days

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Speaker 4: of recovery, but they live under my direction and these

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Speaker 4: apartments here. Being a drug addict myself, who has been

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Speaker 4: sober for six years. I am working with those people

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Speaker 4: and we can hold up to six girls and ten guys,

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Speaker 4: all in separate apartments, and I run them.

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Speaker 1: I'm in charge of that. I babysit. That's basically what

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Speaker 4: I babysits, I drug test, I breath alze. I make

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Speaker 4: sure they're on t I make sure they're looking for work.

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Speaker 4: I make sure there's not too much idle time with them.

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Speaker 1: I try.

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Speaker 4: What my job is is to get them ready to

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Speaker 1: That is what I chose to do.

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Speaker 4: We are very, very sick people, and I am a

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Speaker 4: firm believer in AA. It saved my life, while on

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Speaker 4: the other hand, drugs ruined my life. It ruined everything,

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Speaker 4: ruined my family, ruined my homes, ruined my businesses, ruined

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Speaker 4: everything because I was a raging addict, a raging heroin addict, believe.

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Speaker 1: It or not, at my age.

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Speaker 4: So I came out here to California with my son.

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Speaker 4: My son got me into treatment six years ago. I

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Speaker 4: had a couple of relapses, but they got me so

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Speaker 4: over and now, like I said, I've been sober for

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Speaker 4: six years and now I work with these people, and

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Speaker 4: that is what I do now to to thank God

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Speaker 4: for not let me be dead or something else what

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Speaker 4: happened to my family. So that's my gift back, that's

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Speaker 4: what I do. I'm going to help the people that

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Speaker 1: Needed a man, I need it a bad So that's

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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is a big moment, one that I honestly

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Speaker 8: wasn't expecting. I have never in all my life seen

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Speaker 4: Anybody that listen, guys, You guys got family members that

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Speaker 4: are drug addicts, alcoholics. There's someone in your family somewhere,

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Speaker 4: a grandparent and uncle and aunt that Stanetika carries down

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Speaker 4: that gene.

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Speaker 1: Maybe your kids, maybe some of you kids listening to this.

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Speaker 1: Go get help.

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Speaker 4: You cannot control this, you cannot. It is the sniper.

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Speaker 4: It is the devil. It lays in wait for you

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Speaker 4: and it will take you out at your weakest moment.

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Speaker 1: Go get help. Save me fucking life. It saved my life,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure.

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Speaker 7: M Yeah, does anybody does anybody around you know about

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Speaker 7: any of the stuff?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: No one knows anything? Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: They have their they you know, they know him from Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I know I've got a little bit of an accent.

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Speaker 4: They hear it in my they hear words that I study,

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Speaker 4: stuff that I say, and.

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Speaker 1: I think the snicker behind my back.

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Speaker 4: I'm a gangster, you know, from Chicago. But they don't

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Speaker 4: know anything. I don't tell many stories. I do not share.

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Speaker 4: We do a thing in treatment in AA that's called sharing.

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Speaker 4: We share a life story, you know what got us

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Speaker 4: into treatment. But I've never shared. That's the one thing

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Speaker 4: I haven't done with AA. Share because it's not something

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Speaker 4: I really choose to share.

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Speaker 2: Starting a few months into his recovery, I would regularly

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Speaker 2: visit him. It was during these visits that he started

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Speaker 2: opening up about his past. The story here, the memory there,

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Speaker 2: let's jump back to the very beginning. A seventeen year

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Speaker 2: old kid named Kenny just got accidentally recruited into the

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Speaker 4: So these two come up on me. I'm sitting down. Hey,

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Speaker 4: I'm completely unprepared, came up on me, and the bigger

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Speaker 4: the kid goes, Yeah, that's him. That's the guy that

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Speaker 4: robbed me uncle. He ran a fucking crew. So he

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Speaker 4: tells me, He goes, are you looking for a job, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for a job. I'm a fucking starving her.

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Speaker 4: That's how I got into a fucking outfit. So he

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Speaker 2: Oh, that reminds me. Before we dive into this, I

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Speaker 2: had a serious conversation with a criminal defense attorney about

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Speaker 9: Well, you need to be careful, no matter how much

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Speaker 9: you disapproved of what your father did, if you're gonna

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Speaker 9: be far less interested. Please understand that if your dad

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Speaker 9: being alive, that means others are a lot. The information

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Speaker 9: is too recent. The nineteen eighties is yesterday, and I

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Speaker 9: really believe that it's a mistake. I would encourage you

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Speaker 2: I also asked my dad to weigh in on this,

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Speaker 2: and here's what he said.

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Speaker 4: They're all dead man. Yeah, I have to realize that

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Speaker 4: I was really young. That's why they called me kid.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody left. I doubt it very much.

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Speaker 2: So after talking it through, we both agreed that, for

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Speaker 2: So without further ado, let's meet our first character in

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Speaker 4: He was a powerful man, good guy, businessman, well dressed,

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Speaker 4: he acted like a normal person. He wasn't a sociopath, narcissistic,

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Speaker 4: you know, mobster guy. You know those guys loved to

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Speaker 4: play the part, love to play the part of gangster.

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Speaker 4: I never could understand that grease ball bullshit. So but

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Speaker 2: Mickey was also the son of a notorious street boss

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Speaker 4: And he was at that time in cook Connie, the

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Speaker 4: It looked like a typical fucking greasy gangster was to

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Speaker 2: Kenny spent his first year working for Mickey until he

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Speaker 4: I was an aaron boy when I first started, a

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Speaker 4: low level, very very low level, dropping money off, collecting

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Speaker 4: But I always had somebody with me, so I was

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Speaker 4: So that's that's kind of where I learned how to

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Speaker 2: It didn't take long for Kenny to prove his worth,

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Speaker 4: I was so I'd dope for him on the side

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Speaker 4: at a scale. Some of it i'd cook up for

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Speaker 4: freebase sold, I really can't. And that was you smoke

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Speaker 4: that shit whatever. Stuff was insane. It was just just

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Speaker 4: a rush of euphoria. Would just just just just look

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Speaker 4: you know you're always chasing that first blast anyway, all right,

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Speaker 4: But he.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't supposed to do that.

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Speaker 4: That would have been bad for me, and that would

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Speaker 4: taking an order, all right. I was just obeying orders.

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Speaker 4: But you can't do that, man, You cannot do that.

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Speaker 2: No selling dope. This is one of the many strange

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Speaker 2: Their entire enterprise is built on crime, but drugs, so

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Speaker 2: where they draw the line.

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Speaker 1: We could not sell dope. People, We could not sell dope.

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Speaker 1: We were not allowed to sell dope. You got caught

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Speaker 1: selling dope, you were big ass fucking trouble because that

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Speaker 4: We don't want to bring any heat on any of us,

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Speaker 4: So if you're going to do something stupid like sell dope,

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Speaker 4: it's going to bring heat on you. People were coked

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Speaker 4: no one's in her really right mind. You know, no

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Speaker 4: one's sober. Everybody's fucked up. And it dictated a lot

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Speaker 4: of things. It got a lot of people killed.

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Speaker 2: That actually makes good sense, And of course everyone knew that,

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Speaker 2: but many guys did it anyway. The money was just

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Speaker 4: Listen, here's the deal, man, This was quick, fast money.

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Speaker 4: All right. This was not my career, and this is

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Speaker 4: not what I chose to do with my life.

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Speaker 1: I'm seventeen years old, all right. I'm living in a backseat.

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Speaker 4: Of my car.

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Speaker 1: I'm hungry.

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Speaker 4: I'm a survivalist, you know. And it's a job and

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Speaker 4: it's income.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I could start to get some security more in my life,

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Speaker 1: So I'm taking this. I'm jumping on this.

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Speaker 2: As I got deeper into the details of my dad's

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Speaker 2: life story, I began to wonder just how much of

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Speaker 2: this stuff is actually true. The no selling drugs thing,

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Speaker 2: for example, how do I even attempt to verify something

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Speaker 2: like this or any other inner workings of an organization

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Speaker 2: notorious for their secrecy, especially in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 2: when the mafia moved through the streets with near impunity.

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Speaker 2: I thought it would be a good idea to find

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Speaker 2: a mafia expert that could weigh in when necessary throughout

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Speaker 2: this series. So I reached out to veteran crime reporter

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Speaker 2: Jeff Cohen of the Chicago Tribune. Jeff is an expert

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Speaker 2: on organized crime in Chicago and covered one of the

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Speaker 2: largest mafia trials in history, the infamous FBI operation Family

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Speaker 2: Secrets that almost single handily took out the entire Chicago

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Speaker 2: outfit in two thousand and seven. I sent Jeff a

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Speaker 2: few rough versions of these episodes to get him up

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Speaker 5: That's quite the family tale you've got.

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Speaker 2: There, Yes, unfortunately, Yes it is. Yeah. Thankfully he agreed

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Speaker 2: to add his voice to this story. So I asked

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as crazy as that sounds, it is actually true

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Speaker 5: that most of the time, drugs was not their business

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Speaker 5: for variety of reasons. I guess I think it was

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Speaker 5: more difficult.

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Speaker 2: For them to control.

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Speaker 5: I think it is one of the elements that was

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Speaker 5: typically a problem. You had large amounts of money moving

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Speaker 5: It was also a real area of heat back, especially

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Speaker 2: It just was not a clean business for them.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't something that they could run tightly, make sure

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Speaker 5: of it. It was none of those things. Would it

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Speaker 5: could go sideways in a minute. You had major federal

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Speaker 5: more trouble than it was worth, I think a lot

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Speaker 5: of times for them, even though it was big, big money.

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Speaker 5: But whorehouses, chop shops, any any kind of a legal

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Speaker 5: business that's along that line definitely would have been within

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Speaker 5: anything related to sex advice. They typically had a piece

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Speaker 2: Eventually, Mickey saw a new opportunity for Kenny within the outfit,

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Speaker 2: something a little more permanent, and introduced him to a

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Speaker 2: man named Jack Erickson, a crew boss who would end

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Speaker 4: My boss, my crew boss, was Jack Jack Jackie Lemus Erickson.

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Speaker 1: A great guy.

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Speaker 4: I love Jack Man, it was I really admired him.

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Speaker 4: He was a great guy, well kept. Still a gangster,

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Speaker 4: but a well kept gangster. You know, his genes were

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Speaker 1: You know. He was one of those guys. Everything was

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Speaker 4: Clean, neat, nails done, manicure, pedicure.

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Speaker 1: One of them guys. You know.

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Speaker 2: Jack became sort of a father figure to young Kenny.

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Speaker 1: Oh he was. He was a mentor. He trained me,

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Speaker 1: He trained me. He just took me under his wing

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Speaker 1: and he trained me. I was the young guy.

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Speaker 4: I gotta remember, I was the absolute youngest guy there.

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Speaker 4: These guys had twenty years on me. You know, I

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Speaker 4: you know, make sure I did everything good, you know,

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Speaker 4: make sure I didn't get in trouble, make sure he

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Speaker 1: You know, I felt safe.

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Speaker 4: I just felt safe when I went out to do

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Speaker 4: the mob behind me.

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Speaker 1: The outfit was on my back.

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Speaker 4: You know, I had that that always to fall back.

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Speaker 1: So that kind of relieved a lot of the fear.

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Speaker 2: Jack also had a very important job within the outfit,

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Speaker 2: one that required a unique kind of personality and responsibility.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he ran the horror houses every night, just bouncing

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Speaker 4: how things are going, making sure nobody was selling dope,

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Speaker 4: making sure the girls weren't too high because they were

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Speaker 4: they were always high. You know, just kind of keeping

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Speaker 4: things runnable, you know, babysitting basically, kind of like what

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Speaker 4: I do now for a living, babysitting a bunch of

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what he was doing back then. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's what That's what That's what Jack did.

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Speaker 2: Jack saw a lot of potential in Kenny.

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Speaker 4: He he trusted me. He trusted me because I didn't

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Speaker 4: didn't sell dope while I worked. I just did my

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Speaker 9: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was an anomaly. I don't even want to say

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Speaker 1: a rarity, an anomaly.

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Speaker 2: And so he made him an offer he couldn't refuse,

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Speaker 4: So for the years I spent working in the whorehouses,

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Speaker 4: it to an extent, put about six bedrooms in there,

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Speaker 4: Not everyone could be peeped, but if we could peep them,

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Speaker 4: we peeped them. The living room would stay as a

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Speaker 1: We actually gave them a fucking idea. Can you believe

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Speaker 1: that shit?

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Speaker 4: Match the id with the pitcher, the picture with the face,

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Speaker 4: and then we'd let them in. Now, how did they

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Speaker 4: become members. They would come in I want to be

446
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Speaker 4: membered as club. You know, it is a guy. There's

447
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: a million people out there that want to join the

448
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 4: warehouses or horny bastards. Okay, the people that frequent horror

449
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 4: houses know where horror houses are. You don't have to

450
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 4: advertise as shit, They just know where they are. They

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Speaker 4: would come in and want to join the club. So

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Speaker 4: we would put them through a process. We would make

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Speaker 4: sure we're check their employment, to check their ID. We

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Speaker 4: even had something with County but the County Vice guys

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Speaker 4: where we would have them run something by them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember, but we would run something with them

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Speaker 4: and then after we got him checked out. I didn't

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Speaker 4: do the checkout process. That wasn't my job, So I

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Speaker 4: can't really expound too much on this. So anyway, they

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Speaker 4: became members through a process that we put them through.

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Speaker 1: Pictures and verification.

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Speaker 4: Basically, we wanted to make sure they weren't vice, the

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Speaker 4: honest vice.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to make sure they weren't the honest vice.

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Speaker 1: How's that sound?

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Speaker 2: Uh sounds like my dad was a bona fide pimp.

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Speaker 2: That's how it sounds, you know, you'd think, after all

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00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: this time, nothing would shock me anymore. But you would

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Speaker 2: be wrong. All right, What was it like?

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Speaker 4: Once you got inside, a guy would come in, bring

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Speaker 4: them in, introduce them. The girls would be sitting there,

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Speaker 4: the girls that'd stand up. I'd introduce them to all

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Speaker 4: the girls by name, name Sindy. We did have drinks.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't a bar, but they would go you want to

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Speaker 1: drink and go back in the kitchen.

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Speaker 4: They make a guy a drink, mostly his beer, beer

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Speaker 4: and wine, and then they would sit and talk to

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Speaker 4: the girls.

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Speaker 1: And it could go on anywhere from ten minutes to

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Speaker 1: two hours. They could.

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Speaker 4: Some guys just came in there and just partied with

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Speaker 4: the girls. Sat partied with them.

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Speaker 1: We didn't mind. They were members.

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Speaker 4: Plus, when somebody else came in, it made that person

486
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Speaker 4: rush a little bit because there was someone else in there.

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Speaker 4: That guy that's already in there was going to take

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Speaker 4: the girl that this new guy came in, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, So they maybe kick it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: They'd pick up their make their choice a little bit faster.

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Speaker 4: So right, come in, chattered up with the girls, decide

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00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 4: who they like. The girl would take them back to

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Speaker 4: one of the rooms and they would negotiate a deal

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00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 4: so much for whatever sex they wanted. They'd seal the deal,

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00:27:23,399 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 4: the girl would leave the guy in the room. The

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00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: girl would come out, come see me and say one

497
00:27:31,639 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: hundred dollars for blowjob and missionary sex. She would hand

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Speaker 4: me fifty have to take and then she would be

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Speaker 4: on her way.

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Speaker 1: That was the end of the operation. That was how

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00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: it worked, very simple. Did things ever get out of control?

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00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they got.

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Speaker 4: I can sold people come and drunk or all coked out,

504
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: but they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They got their asses beat bad. We would make a.

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Speaker 4: Phone call and there would be four muscle showing up

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00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 4: within fifteen minutes, and it was just you know, they'd

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Speaker 4: be when we got them to their cars, they'd be

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00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: We'd put them in their cars and they'd.

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00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: Be half hanging, half in, half out and just counting.

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00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 4: Stopped by and they knew it was a whore house there,

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00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: and but we want to keep them on property. We'd

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Speaker 4: get them out on the street in their cars, and yeah,

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00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: they didn't last long. They got they got beat pretty bad.

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00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 4: They got beat really bad.

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Speaker 2: Just the way.

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Speaker 4: Who are these people just drunk assholes in members?

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00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 10: No?

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00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, these These are members.

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00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are members, or a guest of a member

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Speaker 4: or a guest of them.

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00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: Member could bring in one guest, all right, and you know,

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00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, alcohol drugs turns people weird. Man, people go

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Speaker 1: stupid sometimes.

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Speaker 4: I mean ninety percent of the time it was fine,

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00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: but that ten percent there was, you know, something would

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00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: go wrong. That's just that's just, that's just law of

528
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: average man. Something's abound to go wrong eventually. But we

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00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 4: jumped on there quick.

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00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: I have to keep reminding myself. He's still only nineteen

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00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: at this point. Everybody else's age is fresh out of

532
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: high school, going to bars and trying to get laid

533
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: without a care in the world. I can tell you

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00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: I was an absolute moron at nineteen, that's a fact.

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00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: But I can only imagine three years selling drugs and

536
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: hanging out beatings at a brothel for the mafia will

537
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: make it grow up real fucking fast. I wonder, can

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00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: you even try to have a regular life?

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00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: What would you do in your free time? So, I

540
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: don't know, hangout. I had friends, you know, some friends

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00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: that I'd hang.

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00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: Out with, do normal guys stuff, you know, watch football

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00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: on Sundays.

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00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I was just a normal guy. It's just a normal

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00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: young guy.

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00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: That's all go to bars with my friends, you know,

547
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Speaker 4: pick up.

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00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Chicks, you know.

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00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: He tells me he wasn't looking for a girlfriend, let

550
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: alone anything serious. But one night, as things do, all

551
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: that changed.

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Speaker 4: I met her at a club called SLPs some other place,

553
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: and the splains I think it is sa her sitting

554
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: at the end of the bar, beautiful redhead, sexy. I

555
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: fell in love with her pretty quick, so I just

556
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: walked up to her.

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00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: Just as a matter of course of time. We just

558
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: ended up dating.

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00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've guessed it already, But that pretty little

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00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: redhead at the bar was my mother.

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Speaker 4: I thought your mother was beautiful. I think I was

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00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 4: nineteen when I met her. She was twenty. Yeah, I

563
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: had listen. I hadn't work to get your mother, damn it.

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00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: It wasn't easy. She wasn't like one of the whores

565
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,759
Speaker 4: like you just say, come on, let's go.

566
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I had to work for that. I didn't work for

567
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: your mom. That was a job. That was a job.

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00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: I was a job. Man who's worth it?

569
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Them?

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00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: It was well worth it.

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Speaker 6: Next week on Crook County.

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Speaker 2: Just look at me now and tremble.

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Speaker 4: We would have to take bus every once in a while,

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00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: just so Cook County Cops could show that they're making

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00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: some progress here when half the motherfuckers were running their

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Speaker 4: own horse on the side out of our fucking clubs.

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Speaker 2: Orrin Rosenbaum and the excellent team at UTA for their support,

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