WEBVTT - Courtney's Book Bag

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, hi everyone, this is Allison Flowers from the Invisible Institute.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we jump in, we have some big news to share.

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<v Speaker 1>After hearing chaparol story and are reporting, the City of

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago's Office of the Inspector General has decided to open

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<v Speaker 1>an official investigation. They want to know exactly what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Courtney's case. The Inspector General's Office is an independent

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<v Speaker 1>watchdog agency that oversees city government. It's a powerful and

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<v Speaker 1>important agency, so their investigations can take a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can also lead to real change. Their job

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<v Speaker 1>is to root out corruption and uncover misconduct among government

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<v Speaker 1>officials and sometimes the police. Depending on their findings, they

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<v Speaker 1>can recommend a change in rules or even disciplinary action.

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<v Speaker 1>Chaprol is hopeful that the Inspector General can uncover even

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<v Speaker 1>more about the final moments of her son's life. And

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<v Speaker 1>another quick update, there's a new teaching guide for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find it online at Invisible Dot Institute slash

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<v Speaker 1>teach dash somebody with schools mostly online this year. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great way to engage high school students in conversations

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<v Speaker 1>around race and policing. Now our episode, we still have

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<v Speaker 1>some a few more books backs left. We have about

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<v Speaker 1>sanmore left. You did ticket. Every year since Courtney died,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapol hosts a free book bag party through the Foundation

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<v Speaker 1>in his name. It's a big back to school community event.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always a ton of food, music, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney's friends give free haircuts to kids. It's all beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a great day. But this year's book bag

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<v Speaker 1>giveaway was a lot to friend Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, Fewer people,

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<v Speaker 1>quieter spaced out here, chaparl on Facebook Life. She's a

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<v Speaker 1>little muffled because she's wearing a mask. Are you there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm getting everybody today. We're giving away bookbag

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<v Speaker 1>because we have hundreds of bookbags left. We are also

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<v Speaker 1>giving away free haircuts today, so I want to turn

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<v Speaker 1>around so you can see they have some availability. We're

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<v Speaker 1>taking haircuts two at a time because of COVID, but

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<v Speaker 1>we do have chaperl and the Foundation still pulled it

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<v Speaker 1>off and gave away three hundred book bags this year,

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<v Speaker 1>even with schools not reopening full time in the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bittersweet start to the school season. Courtney's

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<v Speaker 1>own book bag ended up being a recurring theme over

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<v Speaker 1>the three years at the Invisible Institute investigated the case

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<v Speaker 1>with Chaparl. So today we're going to dive into that

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron James book bag and why it was actually pretty

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<v Speaker 1>important understanding what happened to Courtney. And then we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to remember one of Courtney's best friends who was featured

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<v Speaker 1>in the podcast, Steve Otero, Courtney's book Bag. It's become

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<v Speaker 1>very special to Chaparl since Courtney's death. When we recorded

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<v Speaker 1>our final episode of the podcast, Chaparral brought Courtney's book

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<v Speaker 1>back to the studio just to be among us. And

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<v Speaker 1>that book bag is the reason why for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapel didn't think Courtney died in an attempted robbery. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason why that theory didn't pay for me as far

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<v Speaker 1>as a car jack is because nothing was taken from Courtney.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a cell phone, he had his wallet, his

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<v Speaker 1>book bag, his iPad, his vehicle, all of that was

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<v Speaker 1>still in the car. Courtney as a person was very

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<v Speaker 1>careful with his surrounding. If he felt like uneasy about

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<v Speaker 1>a situation, he would actually leave. So whatever happened to

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney that night, it was something that he was blind

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<v Speaker 1>aside by. Inside Courtney's book bag, was his iPad, and

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<v Speaker 1>even though the police report clearly listed the iPad as

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<v Speaker 1>being inside the BMW, it was missing. When Chaparll got

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<v Speaker 1>the car back from the impound lot, I x CPD

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<v Speaker 1>about his iPad. They said that they didn't they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the iPad and they never saw iPad. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>did you check the iPad to see if your head

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<v Speaker 1>and he captured anything. I said, because you know, iPads

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<v Speaker 1>do have cameras on them. They said, we have too much.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have space to catalog everything. I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the type of things when I say inconsistencies

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<v Speaker 1>that bother me. So this is why I have little

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<v Speaker 1>to no trust in what they're saying. That iPad and

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<v Speaker 1>the book bag was a major rabbit hole. Chapelle and

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<v Speaker 1>I went down for a long time. We tried that

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<v Speaker 1>finder iPad feature and it didn't work. We knew. The

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<v Speaker 1>officers on scene after Courtney pulled up to the station

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<v Speaker 1>and collapsed, went through his book bag because that's where

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<v Speaker 1>he kept his I D and Courtney's BMW co signer

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Hernandez told us that when he went to the

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<v Speaker 1>impound lot to get the car, the book bag was

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<v Speaker 1>dumped out, which was unusual because Courtney kept his car

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clean. When as soon as I walk in there,

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<v Speaker 1>the car was a mess. That was like somebody was

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<v Speaker 1>going through it because his jeans were everywhere. Trip to

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<v Speaker 1>me grabbed the book bag at his belongings. His book

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<v Speaker 1>back was wide open um if he were parking, how

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<v Speaker 1>would we tend to get out of the car, what

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<v Speaker 1>steps should we take? Would you reach for anything or

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<v Speaker 1>do anything? Like? In general, he's getting out of the car,

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<v Speaker 1>who reached for his book back? It will always be

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<v Speaker 1>in the back seat, always somewhere in the back seat,

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<v Speaker 1>usually on the seats on the floor. We heard the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing from Alma, the coworker Courtney was going to

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<v Speaker 1>see that night. It's a convertible, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little car for a big guy. So normally

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<v Speaker 1>he would get out of his car, pull the seat forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and then reach into the back to get his backpack.

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<v Speaker 1>He would never leave his backpack in the car. He

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<v Speaker 1>would always take it with him. I think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the weight of it, the weight of the backpack, like

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<v Speaker 1>he felt. I guess like he wasn't alone. When Alma

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<v Speaker 1>got home from the hospital the morning, Courtney died. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>everything became clear what must have happened. When she saw

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<v Speaker 1>the skid marks by the church where he usually parked.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything started to make sense. I feel like he parked,

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<v Speaker 1>he was getting out of his car. Maybe he was

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<v Speaker 1>reaching for his backpack. That makes sense to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if he was shot in the back, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>he probably didn't see who shot him. When we spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to a firearms forensic expert, he thought that Courtney was

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<v Speaker 1>likely ducking out of the way when he saw danger coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on the low height of the car and the

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<v Speaker 1>angles someone would have had to shoot into the car.

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<v Speaker 1>But Chaparral kind of agreed with Alma on this one car.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's low, so it would have ended he

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<v Speaker 1>was getting his back he was getting his bag out,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be all plausible, you know, after how

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<v Speaker 1>he got shot in the back. And the tragic irony

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<v Speaker 1>is that right as Courtney was probably reaching for that

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<v Speaker 1>book bag, that familiar weight that made him feel so safe,

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<v Speaker 1>he likely didn't realize the danger that was right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the podcast aired, many of you from all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world have left Chaparral such kind words on our

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<v Speaker 1>voicemail and by email. Here's a few of Chaparral's favorite messages.

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<v Speaker 1>I am just a single mom with two kids driving

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<v Speaker 1>to Hilton Head left Virginia Beach early this morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you that those episodes that I

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<v Speaker 1>just lifted up to somebody podcast about Courtney Copeland less

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<v Speaker 1>all of you here in Sport. When you talk to

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<v Speaker 1>that cop my god, oh my god, those are the

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<v Speaker 1>peabody to that episode. You are one badass. Okay. You

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<v Speaker 1>have the same exact kind of shries that I know

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<v Speaker 1>my mom would have for me. It's something like that

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<v Speaker 1>happened to me. We're living in a horrible time, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>where it is every day mnus and throwing our face

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<v Speaker 1>to black and brown bodies do not matter at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very heartbreaking and discouraging to live in this space.

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<v Speaker 1>By it, I tune in and listen every week. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you find the answers that you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so grateful for this podcast and that you

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<v Speaker 1>have a group of people that care enough to help

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<v Speaker 1>you in this search. These messages have meant so much

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<v Speaker 1>to Chaparral because not only did we release this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>right at the beginning of the pandemic and and the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast right as conversations around state violence. We're taking hold

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<v Speaker 1>of us yet again. But Chaparral's family experienced another loss.

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<v Speaker 1>One of Courtney's very best friends, Stephen O'to, died back

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<v Speaker 1>in April. He was I'll tell you, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>second hardest thing that I ever had to do. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just such a beautiful day. The sun was shining.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve the sister Kesha, she was crying. I'm like, what's wrong, Kesha,

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<v Speaker 1>And she was, well, they're calling my sisters to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me that Stephen passed away. When it finally hit me

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<v Speaker 1>that Stephen was gone, heart re shattered in a million pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney and Steve met his kids in cis Row and

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<v Speaker 1>played baseball together. It was funny because Courney, ever since

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<v Speaker 1>he was little, he was super chunky and like he

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<v Speaker 1>was still run fast. He was still like be real active.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. In our league, he would have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of home runs. Steve was like a son to Chapel.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, she says now that it's like losing two sons.

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<v Speaker 1>She used to take him in Courtney all over the

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<v Speaker 1>place in her van for sports trips. She threw them

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<v Speaker 1>in eighth grade graduation party. She took them to New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen told us their friendship really took root at a

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<v Speaker 1>school dance party. It was crazy because we're like the

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<v Speaker 1>highlight of it. We're getting all the girls. Everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>getting crowded around us, and it was the Soldier Boy

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<v Speaker 1>had that song, Soldier Boy, and we're doing the dance

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff the dance many Superman. We talked to Steve

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<v Speaker 1>extensively over the last few years. He was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who immediately went to the crime scene to

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<v Speaker 1>collect evidence after Courtney was shot. Steve saw skid marks

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<v Speaker 1>and broken glass by the church, and he talked to

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who lived at the corner and heard gunshots.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early days of the case, he was right

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<v Speaker 1>there with Chaparl investigating. We'd like to let this tape

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<v Speaker 1>of Steve play out a little. Producer Bill Healy recorded

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<v Speaker 1>Chaparl and him reminiscing back in Courtney. I had like

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<v Speaker 1>he's like a leader man, and that guy always told

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<v Speaker 1>me like he always tried to push me to do better.

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<v Speaker 1>And what two years, three years, three years Corney hit

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<v Speaker 1>the type of relationship with his friends, like he would

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<v Speaker 1>do anything for his friends. And so with Stephen, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, my Stephen needs to come stay with us,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like stap. I was like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's cooling on with Stephen? So but he was already

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<v Speaker 1>sneaking Stephen in for like three or four weeks before

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<v Speaker 1>he told me that, and so I was like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was like, yeah, he's going through something

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to help him. I said, okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna help Stephen. And so Stephen, he was like, Stephen,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta finish school, Stephen, you gotta do this. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go to church, and you know, you try to give

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<v Speaker 1>them the same kind of guidance that you're giving your

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<v Speaker 1>own children. It's just so happened that Stephen stayed with

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<v Speaker 1>us for like, like he said, three years, just about

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<v Speaker 1>all the high school, right, yeah, definitely. And at that

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<v Speaker 1>point for like you know, accepted with the family. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it was like something more to me, like more important.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a brotherhood that had a family, and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't already had a family. But you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy are some people that they're not your family, but

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<v Speaker 1>they care so much for you, you know, and they

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<v Speaker 1>want to do see you do good, Stephen. You also

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<v Speaker 1>got tattoo. Oh yes, I didn't really have that much

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<v Speaker 1>money or whatever, but I went to the casino. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, man, if I win, it's for Cordney. That

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<v Speaker 1>same week, I was able to win like five hundred bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, right away I went to go get a

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<v Speaker 1>very detailed portrait tattoo of Corney and this picture he

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<v Speaker 1>had actually took with his mom. I picked this one

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<v Speaker 1>because he looked very happy. That's really nice. My guardian angel. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>his father passed away and he had on his arm

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<v Speaker 1>that that's his guarden angel. I took that from him.

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<v Speaker 1>I made him my guardian angel. Every time I felt

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<v Speaker 1>bad or anything, I just looked down, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>looked down and I see him right there. So you

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<v Speaker 1>guys got all these tattoos had my back. They tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>buddy at first tattoo. We we got the same tattoo,

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<v Speaker 1>matching tattoos. We got an art on our chest across

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<v Speaker 1>our chest. You know, since we played a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>basketball or whatever, we wrote ball to Life Fall and

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<v Speaker 1>we used that model as like to go hard, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to go hard to to the very last of you.

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<v Speaker 1>So you recently had a little baby girl. Yes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>after after what happened to Corny, I was like, man like,

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<v Speaker 1>it made me think about my life. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to get serious and focus, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to start my own family. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to just have my baby. She's four months,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I know Corney would have been going

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<v Speaker 1>crazy because it will be like, oh, uncle Theo, like

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<v Speaker 1>that was his niece, you know, and it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>I wished he could have seen. You know, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the main reasons I decided to have a baby too,

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<v Speaker 1>just to stay more focused and where about my family,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and sheished them because you never know when

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