Speaker 1: Oh warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for werewolf movies across
Speaker 1: from many decades.
Speaker 2: And as the moon grows high above you.
Speaker 3: You have been warred.
Speaker 2: Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion and.
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Speaker 5: In today's episode, it's a were wolf bonanze in the omnibus,
Speaker 5: recovering the classics, the cult classics, and the foreign films
Speaker 5: that have come to define the genre of were wolf movies.
Speaker 5: In the time capsule, we're looking at some deep cuts
Speaker 5: that you might have missed. And in the back man
Speaker 5: Joe El saw the New wolf Man movie, so you
Speaker 5: don't have to, and she will give us a spoiler
Speaker 5: free review.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the genre of the werewolf movie,
Speaker 1: A wonderful genre. Kind of it's an interesting space because
Speaker 1: it's kind of your it's really your third tier monster.
Speaker 1: It's your third pick in the draft of monsters. You
Speaker 1: go vampire probably, yeah, right, then you're gonna go zombie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, zombie slash Frankenstein.
Speaker 1: Slash Frankenstein, and then yeah, after you've put out a
Speaker 1: bunch of vampire and zombie movies, you're gonna go to
Speaker 1: the Wolfman. And in that sense it lives as a
Speaker 1: kind of and what else monster. But there have been
Speaker 1: some true classics, and we have to start with nineteen
Speaker 1: forty one's Wolfman, directed by George Wagner, screenplay by Kurt Siautomack,
Speaker 1: featuring what is by now the iconic transformation scene of
Speaker 1: mister laun Cheney.
Speaker 2: Joelle tell us about The Wolfman.
Speaker 6: So Rosie has been talking to me about universal monster
Speaker 6: movies for a long time. She's like, you have to
Speaker 6: get into them. This is one of the few I
Speaker 6: haven't seen of the main character arts. I saw the
Speaker 6: Franklinstein one long time. I soa always saw the Dracula
Speaker 6: all good, So coming into this I wasn't quite sure
Speaker 6: what to expect, and I actually this is not my
Speaker 6: favorite of the universal Wolfman films, and we'll talk about
Speaker 6: those a little bit later. But what I really enjoyed
Speaker 6: about this movie is like it really establishes the father
Speaker 6: son angle that I think is really essential to Wolfman movies.
Speaker 6: Like Larry that Larry Talbot is your main character. He
Speaker 6: comes back, he's like three times larger than his father.
Speaker 6: Because it's a Hammer film there about the same age.
Speaker 6: Hammer was like, we don't really care location.
Speaker 1: Everyone has everyone's kind of accent.
Speaker 6: Listen, we said that's the dad, that's the dad. Just
Speaker 6: lean into it. And so you get this like really great, Like, oh,
Speaker 6: here's a guy who hasn't been home for eighteen years
Speaker 6: and he's trying to reassert himself as like a full
Speaker 6: adult man and have this relationship with his father. And
Speaker 6: I thought that was really beautiful. I also like that
Speaker 6: this man has zero swagger, which is the thing I
Speaker 6: don't think we see in Hollywood films anymore. He tries
Speaker 6: to hit on this girl. She's like, yeah, I'm engaged
Speaker 6: to thinking. He's like, oh, let me just like take
Speaker 6: you out. I saw you got some cool earrings on
Speaker 6: your nightstand. She's like, how you know? I was just
Speaker 6: peeping on you with a telescope. It's totally fine. Zero
Speaker 6: zero game. He's like you very much hear every man,
Speaker 6: And you're kind of annoyed with him until he gets
Speaker 6: bit and then you you switch. You sort of start
Speaker 6: to feel for him, like Oh no, that's just like
Speaker 6: a regular dude trying to get through his life. And
Speaker 6: I think this movie holds up pretty well. It's pretty good.
Speaker 6: What do you guys think about this one?
Speaker 3: I think this is definitely a classic.
Speaker 5: I think it's gone one of the best wolf man
Speaker 5: wear wolf designs.
Speaker 3: I think we all still see that as.
Speaker 2: Iconic, iconic were wolf.
Speaker 3: Long Cheney's always great at being a monster.
Speaker 5: I also think that something that me and Joel were
Speaker 5: talking about about these Universal Monster movies is like they
Speaker 5: laid the groundwork for a lot of what the MCU
Speaker 5: is doing now, where you basically have a stable of actors,
Speaker 5: you have a stable of characters, but you can kind
Speaker 5: of mix them up, like Claude Rains is in this movie,
Speaker 5: he played the Invisible Man. Best movie, he played Dracula.
Speaker 6: And he plays Layla. In this movie he plays He
Speaker 6: plays a fortune teller named Bayla. I went back to
Speaker 6: try to find the story to be like with coincidence,
Speaker 6: this story was written in like eighteen thirty one. It's
Speaker 6: a short story from like a middling writer, and no,
Speaker 6: no Bayla in that that I could find. Yeah, they
Speaker 6: were just crazy.
Speaker 3: He's just so great. He's the famous, and so I
Speaker 3: love that.
Speaker 5: Also, as we will get into it a bit, they
Speaker 5: would then start doing these kind of crossover movies where
Speaker 5: they would bring all the characters together and it's very
Speaker 5: original shared universe vibes, which I think are really interesting. Also,
Speaker 5: we did solve a mystery while talking about this movie
Speaker 5: before we were recording, which is I had always thought
Speaker 5: as a little kid that the end of teen Wolf.
Speaker 3: Was that Michael J.
Speaker 5: Fox's character got killed by being bludgeoned to death by
Speaker 5: like his dad's walking stick with a silver wolf head
Speaker 5: on it. No, that's actually the end of wolf Man,
Speaker 5: which I must have seen or read about when I
Speaker 5: was a little kid, and that was always really funny
Speaker 5: because I always thought Teen Wolf was a lot gloria
Speaker 5: and more brutal. And then when I watched Tea Wolf too,
Speaker 5: I was like, wait, he's still alive. How did this happen?
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think this is a great classic. I
Speaker 5: also will just say, guys, Universal Monsters, there's a full
Speaker 5: Universal Wants this channel that you can just watch on
Speaker 5: Roku or Pluto and they just play these movies like NonStop.
Speaker 3: It has been a true education.
Speaker 1: Ender to me, really really fun there they're wonderful movies.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it up. Next, let's talk about a more
Speaker 1: modern classic, teen Wolf nineteen eighty five. Teen Wolf direct
Speaker 1: by Rod Daniel, screenlay by Jeff Lobe and matthe Slobe.
Speaker 6: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Uh, the debut film for TV's Michael J.
Speaker 2: Fox.
Speaker 1: Wow and a wonderful teen werewolf movie, in which Michael J.
Speaker 2: Fox plays Scott, who, in.
Speaker 1: What is a trench at puberty metaphor, goes through a
Speaker 1: change one night, wakes up, looks in the mirror, discovers
Speaker 1: that he's a werewolf. Here's a knock on his door,
Speaker 1: and opens his door to find his dad, also werewolf.
Speaker 2: He is from a family of werewolves.
Speaker 3: Guys. I feel like he I feel like he stat
Speaker 3: should have told him not before.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna He's very Yeah, they weren't sure, and
Speaker 1: he was saying so he wanted to see how it
Speaker 1: played out. But to be fair, he was right there
Speaker 1: at once the moon had risen high in the sky
Speaker 1: and the transurrasion taking place.
Speaker 2: He was right there.
Speaker 1: Johnny on the spot to talk to him about the
Speaker 1: changes that poor Scott is undergoing. Scott tries to keep
Speaker 1: this hidden from people. But of course transformation happens in
Speaker 1: a very public way at at a high school basketball
Speaker 1: game that he then goes on to dominate and he
Speaker 1: becomes like the star basketball player in the one of
Speaker 1: the best scenes.
Speaker 6: In cinematic history, that long walk downwards to then a
Speaker 6: slam dunk. Fabulous, guys.
Speaker 5: I have to say the fact that Jeff lo broke
Speaker 5: this makes a lot of sense because this does follow
Speaker 5: one of the classic racist tropes in movies, which is
Speaker 5: if somebody is turning into a monster or slash evil,
Speaker 5: then they get good at stuff that white people think
Speaker 5: black people are good at. So like he gets good
Speaker 5: at basketball, he gets good at dancing.
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, because I thought him going for the
Speaker 6: white blonde girl was also felt che toned because she is.
Speaker 3: Like because think about this guy's Spider Man three.
Speaker 7: When he's got the black seat, Suddenly he becomes really
Speaker 7: good at dancing.
Speaker 6: And he's really true and swap. It's like a.
Speaker 3: Really weird Hollywood trope. And Jeff Lobe, I know, I
Speaker 3: feel like that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Now, I know you wrote I think that you know,
Speaker 1: to be fair to Jeff and all of us, I
Speaker 1: think he might have been so deep in the matrix
Speaker 1: that he didn't see the ones in the zeros on.
Speaker 2: This particular trope. No, that's but you're one hundred percent
Speaker 2: correct about about what this is.
Speaker 1: Where did we This is a movie I remember seeing
Speaker 1: as a kid and seeing a like I've seen.
Speaker 2: This movie probably five hundred times.
Speaker 1: It's later taken on some easter egg like significance in
Speaker 1: that famously a guy like has his nuts out in
Speaker 1: the last scene of the movie.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, what yeah, And oh you've not heard this, Joel, Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is I.
Speaker 6: Was not aware Wolf Gurley growing up, and so actually
Speaker 6: this is my first time watching ton of these movies,
Speaker 6: including teen Wolf, which, like my initial thought was like,
Speaker 6: is this the funniest movie ever made? Made? It's so
Speaker 6: when Dad opens the door, I was dying.
Speaker 1: I was like that, I thought, honestly, no, bullshit. One
Speaker 1: of the great twists and reveals, like in a in
Speaker 1: the genre rearly is because you are not expecting that.
Speaker 5: You think he's gonna open the door and be like, horres,
Speaker 5: oh no, my son was going on there, and then
Speaker 5: he's like, hey, guess what, guys, I'm aware Wolf also Hereditary,
Speaker 5: which is very interesting because that definitely is something I
Speaker 5: think that the new Wolfman like leans into is this
Speaker 5: idea of like a hereditary were wolf type situation. So
Speaker 5: I'm I did think that's an interesting trope that establishes. Also, Joel,
Speaker 5: you pointed out one of the things I think is
Speaker 5: the most important about this movie.
Speaker 3: How good are the jackets in this movie?
Speaker 2: The incredible Letterman jacket.
Speaker 6: I was prepared to go shopping watching this film. Unbelievable.
Speaker 6: The style is really on point in this movie in
Speaker 6: a great way. It's lovely.
Speaker 1: They really make you want to go out for a
Speaker 1: varsity team. And funnily Funnily enough, I was watching the
Speaker 1: Traders Program reality television program, allan International Legend, International legend,
Speaker 1: human peacock, allen Coming, eating up every fucking scene. Wes
Speaker 1: from the MTVS the challenge shows up in a Letterman
Speaker 1: jacket and it sent me down a rabbit hole looking
Speaker 1: up the history of Letterman jackets and wondering to myself,
Speaker 1: could I pull awful?
Speaker 5: Could I could?
Speaker 1: Yet? By the way Letterman jackets they started as Letterman
Speaker 1: sweaters as a way to denote in the eighteen sixties
Speaker 1: which Harvard baseball players were the best they got.
Speaker 2: The Letterman sweater anyway baseball.
Speaker 6: That's exactly exactly. We also say this film has some
Speaker 6: of the best secondary characters, just very quickly, like that
Speaker 6: the best friend who has a crush on the lead guy,
Speaker 6: and then Styles is my favorite chaos agent maybe of
Speaker 6: all times because Styles. What makes sounds so interesting is like,
Speaker 6: there's nothing that bothers this kid, and the only thing
Speaker 6: you know about him is he has zero impulse control,
Speaker 6: you know about Like he's just like he's a brother
Speaker 6: that smokes. I guess that's it.
Speaker 3: I love that this guy is a wolf. He's like this,
Speaker 3: we could do a lot of Yeah, this is like,
Speaker 3: this is great.
Speaker 6: This is like I just surfed on top of this
Speaker 6: moving van like Styles, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Please like suh.
Speaker 5: I definitely do think that this is very unique in
Speaker 5: that it's not a horror comedy.
Speaker 3: It's just a comedy.
Speaker 5: Like it's just like what would happen if a guy
Speaker 5: was a were wolf and everyone was cool with it?
Speaker 2: Everybody and everybody is immediately cool with it. Yeah, everybody's like,
Speaker 2: seems good. He's averaging thirty in the league.
Speaker 1: We might as well, yeah, school everybody.
Speaker 5: I feel like if that was a were wolf in
Speaker 5: the NBA who is just like never missing like and
Speaker 5: never missing A three. They'd be like, yeah, cool, I
Speaker 5: guess guess.
Speaker 6: He's that Hi number three.
Speaker 1: I think my favorite werewolf film of all time an
Speaker 1: American War Wolf in London, directed by the infamous John Landis,
Speaker 1: I guess we should say, screenplay also by John Landis,
Speaker 1: starring David Naughton Jenny I get a Griffin Dunn in
Speaker 1: a wonderful role, both dead and alive. And I think
Speaker 1: the thing to me that sets this movie apart head
Speaker 1: and shoulders apart one is the hyper violence and the
Speaker 1: incredible like yeah, the cinematography that puts you in the
Speaker 1: in the pov of the wolf, and the incredible and
Speaker 1: truly like troubling transformation scenes. But also this movie is hilarious,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's so funny, funny.
Speaker 2: Very very funny.
Speaker 5: The balance of scares and laughs has maybe never been
Speaker 5: more well done than in this movie. I don't know
Speaker 5: if there's any other horror comedy that can reach the
Speaker 5: heights of how compleatly funny it is, but also the
Speaker 5: kind of horror of the first time you see Griffin
Speaker 5: done come back.
Speaker 1: And worn up, make up quick quick synopsis. David played
Speaker 1: by David Naughton and Gryffin Done his buddy Jack are
Speaker 1: like backpacking through what appears to be like whales or.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 5: It's like the Midlands. It's like up north call it.
Speaker 5: So it's kind of you're in England, but you're in
Speaker 5: like a rural area where everybody's like a farmer and
Speaker 5: they don't want to see you.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to be there.
Speaker 1: The Celtic like culture here is very strong apparently, and
Speaker 1: they wander into like a pub.
Speaker 6: Where the entire slaughter lamb.
Speaker 1: The slaughter lamb, entire town is like hold up in
Speaker 1: this pub and it's like that classic thing of like
Speaker 1: it goes silent when these guys walk in. They're not
Speaker 1: feeling the vibes. They decide to like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's leave here. It's it's weird here. Let's leave. Everybody's like,
Speaker 1: don't do that, and they're like, yeah, we're gonna go.
Speaker 1: They're attacked by a werewolf that kills Jack. David is
Speaker 1: merely wounded, and then of course his nightmare truly begins
Speaker 1: because he begins transforming into werewolf at regular intervals and
Speaker 1: also seeing visions of all the people who he has killed.
Speaker 1: They will come and like sit with him and his
Speaker 1: friend Jack Griffin Dunn, in what are the funniest scenes
Speaker 1: in the movie, just roasts him throughout.
Speaker 5: He's like, you saw your howf is gonna kill people?
Speaker 3: Just fucking kill yourself? Like yeah, survive, like don't.
Speaker 5: Keep pushing through this, please, And you get some really
Speaker 5: fantastic shots of like early eighties, late seventies London in
Speaker 5: this this kind of it's.
Speaker 3: Really really cool. I love the slaughtered lamb is like
Speaker 3: a legendary space.
Speaker 5: Now there are slaughtered lamp pubs out there inspired by
Speaker 5: this really notable Rick Baker winning the inaugural Academy Award
Speaker 5: for Best Makeup, no question, because this is like has
Speaker 5: what I would say is the most iconic and terrifying
Speaker 5: where we'll transformation set, Like.
Speaker 6: The slide us from like human to wolf is so
Speaker 6: terrifying and like really really holds up. I think I
Speaker 6: saw this really is very young and it's in a
Speaker 6: long time. Yeah, it gives really creepy. But what I
Speaker 6: had forgotten about this film is Jack's deterioration. Like every
Speaker 6: time Jack pops back up, he's a little more rotted,
Speaker 6: a little more dead, to the point where the last
Speaker 6: part I think they're using a puppet for him his
Speaker 6: face because it's like mostly skeleton, like you're releasing teeth
Speaker 6: and stuff, and it's so good and so creepy, and
Speaker 6: you really I buy these guys, Like, I think this
Speaker 6: is one of those rare films you could show children today,
Speaker 6: not tell them what time period it was, and while
Speaker 6: they would recognize it as being older, they probably wouldn't
Speaker 6: be able to pinpoint it. It's very timeless.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really it is truly just a brilliant movie,
Speaker 5: Like you just can't question it. So I'd say, if
Speaker 5: you are listening to this and you are not immersed
Speaker 5: in the werewolf genre and you like horror, because this
Speaker 5: one is scary, Like I wouldn't put an Aaron through
Speaker 5: watching this. No, yeah, this this one, I would really say,
Speaker 5: like start here because it's really the peak's remarkable.
Speaker 2: It's a remarkable film again by the infamous John Landis,
Speaker 2: who caused the deaths of three people while directing The
Speaker 2: Twilight Zone. R R.
Speaker 1: Okay, so those are really the kind of those are
Speaker 1: our photlastics.
Speaker 6: So let's talk.
Speaker 1: Now about what are the ones that we love that
Speaker 1: are not one of these three.
Speaker 8: We'll be right back after a quick break, and we're back.
Speaker 2: Let's just go.
Speaker 1: We have our list put together by Joel. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Thank you, the list of cult classics and
Speaker 1: foreign were wolf films and deep cut films. But maybe
Speaker 1: let's just talk about the ones that we really like. Joel,
Speaker 1: did we even start at you? What's what's a weird?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite non podium werewoll film?
Speaker 6: Okay, surprising probably everyone, including myself, I had never seen
Speaker 6: Ginger Snaps. I don't know how you've been blast. I
Speaker 6: can think of is that? Okay, nineteen ninety It comes
Speaker 6: out in two thousand, so I turn eleven that year.
Speaker 6: But it's coming off of Columbine, and there is a
Speaker 6: huge effort by the government to suppress violent films aimed
Speaker 6: at teenagers specifically, which this absolutely is. So I think
Speaker 6: I got caught up in that. And then I also
Speaker 6: wasn't a werewolf girly, and so.
Speaker 1: It's also film like I remember, like I'm I was
Speaker 1: plugged into it for TV. I was plugged, you know.
Speaker 1: I love movies and horror movies. I didn't see this
Speaker 1: or hear about it until maybe three or four or
Speaker 1: five years later.
Speaker 3: It was definitely.
Speaker 5: A film that made it to England when I was
Speaker 5: like fourteen or fifteen, so a couple of years after this,
Speaker 5: and then I was like, you know, every girl I knew,
Speaker 5: especially because I was like an emo, like go little kid,
Speaker 5: sure were like obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: I was like, did someone watch my adolescence and make
Speaker 6: a movie out of it? Like there's weird suicide packs,
Speaker 6: there's like we're experimenting with weed for the first time
Speaker 6: of like the outfits, Like everything about this movie felt
Speaker 6: very much like it was designed for me at a
Speaker 6: very like thirteen year old me.
Speaker 2: It was just a crazy question.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, So you have two sisters, Ginger and Bridget,
Speaker 6: and they are inseparable. They make a pack to die together.
Speaker 6: By sixteen, Ginger is your stereotypical beautiful girl shell red
Speaker 6: hair and blue eyes, but she loves her sister, Bridget,
Speaker 6: who's like awkward and doesn't really want to be talking
Speaker 6: to people. When Ginger starts to demonstrate, she also gets
Speaker 6: fitten by a wolf, so she starts to turn into
Speaker 6: a were wolf, and as she does, she has like
Speaker 6: a sexual awakening. This is classic were wolf fodder. You
Speaker 6: get a sexual awakening, you get weird townies that are
Speaker 6: scared of her, and she starts being mean to her sister,
Speaker 6: separating herself, and it's very difficult. They have this mother
Speaker 6: who is iconic, this mother who's like very close to
Speaker 6: being like I wanted to divorce your father. He's completely
Speaker 6: useless and I hate him and I love my daughters,
Speaker 6: but I want my youngest Bridget to really stand up
Speaker 6: for herself, like you're a person too, don't always follow
Speaker 6: in Ginger shadow, And between the three of them they
Speaker 6: start to try to like figure out like how to
Speaker 6: help Ginger, who's suddenly like I love being a wolf,
Speaker 6: I like eating people. I love powerful and sexy, and
Speaker 6: I don't want to change. And she becomes so much
Speaker 6: a wolf that she forgets about her sister. Her sister
Speaker 6: starts up a friendly relationship with a drug dealing sexual
Speaker 6: dv and who sometimes leads with high school girls gross,
Speaker 6: but together they find a cure. Unfortunately, she's not able
Speaker 6: to deliver the current time drug dealer dies, lots of
Speaker 6: other people die, and in the end, it feels like
Speaker 6: there are sequels to this movie, so I know that
Speaker 6: more happens, but it feels like.
Speaker 2: Which it has to kill little cottage industry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but it's a delightful film. Like I feel
Speaker 6: so much for Bridget I love her. This movie is funny.
Speaker 6: It's so funny. And even their bully, who at first
Speaker 6: you hate because she's just kind of jealous and starky
Speaker 6: and hitting them with their play a lot of field hockey.
Speaker 6: By the end, she's like, hey, this drug do had
Speaker 6: sex with me? He does doesn't care about me, and
Speaker 6: I hate that. And you girls on top of that
Speaker 6: are mein back to me and at the end you're
Speaker 6: just like I feel for this girl too. I love
Speaker 6: all the women in this but we could tell a
Speaker 6: woman wrote it. It's brilliant.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I this was such a huge movie for me,
Speaker 5: and I think it really stands up and the test,
Speaker 5: like the Zeros was actually like an incredible time for
Speaker 5: like subversive female teen movies. Absolutely obviously Jennifer's Body May
Speaker 5: That's another one that I've seen a lot of people revisiting.
Speaker 5: That's like a golf classic about a woman who can't
Speaker 5: make a friend, so she starts to like make friends
Speaker 5: out of dead bodies. Like just some really cool weird
Speaker 5: stuff coming out of that era, and yeah, I love
Speaker 5: this movie. I think this is so in line with
Speaker 5: what our discord would enjoy.
Speaker 3: So I will just say, feel.
Speaker 6: Like, Lisa Frankenstein, you're like this movie if you yes.
Speaker 5: If you're a Jennifer's body truth that you will enjoy
Speaker 5: this movie.
Speaker 1: It does a great teen movie drama thing, which is
Speaker 1: is like what happens when two friends grow apart?
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, exactly, like what happens when one of you
Speaker 5: outgrows the other one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like it's.
Speaker 5: A really good movie, very heartbreaking every time I watch it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, just see what about you, Rosie, what's
Speaker 1: yeah your favorite?
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna go for Wolf Walkers because I actually, yes,
Speaker 5: I actually like hadn't seen this movie, and I wasn't
Speaker 5: sure I was gonna love it.
Speaker 2: This was like a couple.
Speaker 5: This was maybe like I watched it for the first
Speaker 5: time maybe like two years ago. I had an Apple
Speaker 5: TV Plus subscription to watch like Severance or something.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, you know what I do like?
Speaker 5: Uh this studio's movies, Yeah, Cartoon Salon, But I always
Speaker 5: I I like the way the movies looked. But I
Speaker 5: often met hot like found it harder to like emotionally
Speaker 5: connect with the movies. But I was like, I want
Speaker 5: to watch something that's really beautiful, and I love like
Speaker 5: a two D animated movie. But this movie just blew
Speaker 5: me away, Like I was crying. I was like really
Speaker 5: moved by it. I thought it was absolutely stunningly directed.
Speaker 5: So basically it is an Englishman Bill Goodfellow. He's summoned
Speaker 5: to kill Kenny in Ireland in sixteen oh five to
Speaker 5: deal with like a pack of ravaging wolves that are
Speaker 5: terrorizing the town. His kind of wild daughter, who loves
Speaker 5: to be in the forest and loves to be outside
Speaker 5: and wants to be a wolf hunter, ends up running
Speaker 5: into a wolf and basically becoming connected with the wolf,
Speaker 5: and suddenly they start a friendship, and Robin ends up
Speaker 5: getting bitten, and Robin ends up turning into what they
Speaker 5: call a wolf walker. She's a human by night by day,
Speaker 5: and by night she's a wolf. And it is so
Speaker 5: unbelievable to watch this movie and to see the way
Speaker 5: that they they essentially make it a movie about the
Speaker 5: witch hunts, but through the lens of wolf hunting, which
Speaker 5: I think is really interesting. There is a scary kind
Speaker 5: of evil proctor who's called the Lord Protector, very very
Speaker 5: similar vibes, and it ends up where you get like
Speaker 5: the village kind of turning on the Proctor and people
Speaker 5: deciding they want to help the wolves. And I just
Speaker 5: thought this was such an incredible movie. I've rewatched it
Speaker 5: so many times. It is directed by Tom Moore and
Speaker 5: Russ Stewart, screenplay by Will Collins.
Speaker 3: It has Sean bean.
Speaker 5: Our obviously got favorite Bill Goodfellow, Eva Whitaker as Mave,
Speaker 5: and Maria Doyle as mal I want to Neep Say
Speaker 5: as Robin Goodfellow. This movie is so unbelievable. And I
Speaker 5: remember when it came out the whole critic class, like
Speaker 5: everyone I knew or my colleagues, they were like, this
Speaker 5: is the movie. Like this movie needs to win an OSCAR,
Speaker 5: Like this movie needs to be recognized and talked about,
Speaker 5: and this movie shows that you can still make an
Speaker 5: incredible two de animated movie. And it's true, and the
Speaker 5: music in this movie is incredible. Like I discovered this and,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, the very underrated Pixar movie Luca around
Speaker 5: the same time. They both came out in the COVID
Speaker 5: times and were not necessarily given the huge push that
Speaker 5: they would have been given otherwise, and both of them
Speaker 5: I think are such fantastic entries into the monster genre.
Speaker 5: And Luca is also like you know, however much Pixar
Speaker 5: and the creator's sale, it's it's not necessarily about like
Speaker 5: being gay, it's definitely about being gay.
Speaker 6: They need.
Speaker 3: There is an extremely.
Speaker 5: Great monster movie in the vein of like a Creature
Speaker 5: from the Black Lagoon, but about coming out and about
Speaker 5: your first love and finding friendship, and.
Speaker 3: It's so beautiful.
Speaker 5: So both of those movies hit me at like a
Speaker 5: very good time and I would definitely this one's still
Speaker 5: on Apple tv Plus if you've got that subscription, go
Speaker 5: and watch it.
Speaker 3: It's so so good.
Speaker 6: Gorgeous, wow, great wreck.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned on this pod before, Apple TV Plus
Speaker 1: subscription very easy to get.
Speaker 2: They'll give it to you.
Speaker 5: You can get that. You can get it for free
Speaker 5: on best Buy. Just go to best Buy and write
Speaker 5: Apple TV Plus. They'll just have a code for you.
Speaker 5: Target if you've ever bought anything from there, they're offering
Speaker 5: it to you card to buy anything and there.
Speaker 2: The back of trucks in the street.
Speaker 3: Just go get give it, take it please. We don't
Speaker 3: need the money.
Speaker 6: Where Apple.
Speaker 5: Just make it a free service silo. Also, like the
Speaker 5: Tetris movie is so good making it's Joel, you would
Speaker 5: love it. It's like a Cold War thriller about Tetris
Speaker 5: and creator rights and about this friendship between the American
Speaker 5: an American guy who's trying to get the Tetris rights
Speaker 5: for England and the Russian guy who actually made Tetris.
Speaker 5: And it is unbelievable. Like that is such a fantastic movie.
Speaker 1: This is an aside, but one of these days we
Speaker 1: need to study Taron Edgerton's IMDb because this he is.
Speaker 6: That I have.
Speaker 1: I have a tremendous respect for mister Tarren Edgerton, who
Speaker 1: has who selects roles in a very strange in Munich fashion.
Speaker 3: And it's going great for him.
Speaker 1: He's really like he was a guy who would like
Speaker 1: they were clearly like setting up in The Kingsman to
Speaker 1: be like this the young action movie guy. And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that shit. I'm gonna get weird.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I'm gonna play else in John.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be very I'm gonna just do crazy things.
Speaker 1: My pick, Yeah, I'm gonna pick. There's so many uh
Speaker 1: that I really enjoy. I love the nineties Jack Nicholson
Speaker 1: Vehicle Wolf, which is one of the thought so I
Speaker 1: don't understand how it got made, what the pitch was.
Speaker 1: It's badly why crazy movie about Jack Nicholson discovering, as
Speaker 1: a middle aged man, his virility after he's bitten by
Speaker 1: a wolf and he starts like becoming like a like
Speaker 1: a bully at work and pissing on guys shoes and just.
Speaker 3: Being he's like, he's just a really horny guy.
Speaker 1: It just becomes extremely horny, very very weird movie. But
Speaker 1: the one I'm gonna pick is nineteen eighty one's The
Speaker 1: Howling because I think it's really scary, like legend Joe Dante.
Speaker 1: I think this is the movie he made after Pirana.
Speaker 1: I think maybe and love that movie. It is super creepy.
Speaker 1: It's about a Karen, a reporter in la who's working
Speaker 1: on this story about a serial killer who's like kind
Speaker 1: of like the night Stalker, you know, the film version
Speaker 1: of the night Stalker. And she goes to meet him
Speaker 1: and and he transforms into a werewolf moments before he
Speaker 1: is shot and killed by police. So she begins digging
Speaker 1: into it. And turns out like he's the evidence leads
Speaker 1: her to this weird commune up in the Pacific northwest
Speaker 1: of like sex hippies, and it turns out the sex
Speaker 1: hippies are like a or like a werewolf cult, and
Speaker 1: she gets embroiled in this thing and it's got some
Speaker 1: really good transformations that are super super creepy. There's this
Speaker 1: whole kind of undercurrent of like the dark side of
Speaker 1: the hippie phenomenon of this, like is nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 1: so we're like on the.
Speaker 2: Other side of hippies.
Speaker 1: The hippies are like in their thirties now, and it's
Speaker 1: got so it's got this undercurrent of like what was
Speaker 1: it all for?
Speaker 2: Like what were we really doing? That is really really.
Speaker 1: Fun and it's just got it a phenomenally dark, weird
Speaker 1: vibe and it ends on a downer, which I always like,
Speaker 1: you know, in a horror movie in particular.
Speaker 5: Very classic were wolf traditions down they almost always die.
Speaker 5: You know. Something else that I was thinking that the
Speaker 5: howling is also there's a cottage industry of sequels, right.
Speaker 1: I got all filmed like in Romania and Czechoslovaka, various
Speaker 1: tax shelters across the Globe and they're all really bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no no, some of the Howling
Speaker 5: ones are like crazy though, so you gotta watch.
Speaker 3: They're like be martial.
Speaker 1: Yes, let me just say the Howling Marsupials, which I
Speaker 1: think is the one they did in Australia. Chey that
Speaker 1: one out for just being absolletely because.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, I think that and there is
Speaker 5: also a really famously hated sequel to American Wealth in London,
Speaker 5: which is American Wealth in Paris, which is actually again
Speaker 5: totally bonked.
Speaker 6: Watching and fucking awful.
Speaker 3: There's really crazy stuff.
Speaker 5: So the thing I find is really interesting is like
Speaker 5: there is obviously a you know, pun intended hunger for
Speaker 5: werewolf movies, so it's kind of funny that we don't
Speaker 5: actually get more mainstream werewolf movies, but the B movie
Speaker 5: element of just making loads of sequels keeps happening because
Speaker 5: there aren't a lot of high profile ones, like the
Speaker 5: rest of ours are mostly kind of deep cut.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 5: I will say the one that we haven't talked about
Speaker 5: that I do think is an interesting inclusion that was
Speaker 5: a huge h is Underworld.
Speaker 3: Again Cohage industry of sequels.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned Before we get into that, you mentioned
Speaker 1: something I think is right, which is that because you're
Speaker 1: in the this is your third tier monster.
Speaker 2: Essentially, there is a strong.
Speaker 1: B movie element, even when they try to do something
Speaker 1: you know, triple.
Speaker 2: A like Wolf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. That's such a good point. It is like
Speaker 3: a movie.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Underworld, which I think are underrated
Speaker 1: films to it. I agree Wiseman directed films, of course,
Speaker 1: starring the knockout action star Kate's Sales.
Speaker 5: Who I believe was Len Wiseman's wife at this point,
Speaker 5: so as a limit on did they maybe on the set,
Speaker 5: but then then she became his wife Because this is
Speaker 5: a movie that has I don't even know how many
Speaker 5: Underworld sequels there are, It's like at least four or
Speaker 5: five at least. And also I just want to say,
Speaker 5: the screenplay in this case is like a murderer's more
Speaker 5: of interesting people.
Speaker 3: Lem Wise Man, good for you still doing it.
Speaker 5: But Kevin Gravau, who is a comic book guy and
Speaker 5: also a movie guy, and also Danny McBride, who I
Speaker 5: feel like pops up doing punch ups on the funniest
Speaker 5: funniest things.
Speaker 2: The cast is.
Speaker 1: An iconic mix of like CW actors jumping up a level, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like Shakespeare trained actors jumping down five levels, like Michael.
Speaker 6: She As having the White Friends Lucien fucking loving it.
Speaker 5: Also trapping himself to be in Twilight as one of
Speaker 5: the Vulturia.
Speaker 3: Very legendary Michael Sheen performance.
Speaker 5: Also, I think Michael Sheen and Kate Beckhensale were married
Speaker 5: for a while and had a kid, so maybe there's
Speaker 5: some kind of romantic love triangle going on here. But yeah,
Speaker 5: Underworld is basically hilarious because somebody was like, what if
Speaker 5: the Matrix were but you just took the aesthetics of
Speaker 5: the Matrix, not the politics of the Matrixx, just.
Speaker 3: The aesthetics of the Matrix.
Speaker 5: But it's about a world where vampires and were wolfs
Speaker 5: are in like an unholy battle for survival.
Speaker 3: In this like weird gothic Underworld.
Speaker 1: I love it because it's legitimately a movie that when
Speaker 1: you're eight, hanging out with your friends, you would write,
Speaker 1: if you had the capability of right, yes, war between
Speaker 1: the werewolves of the vampires.
Speaker 7: And the only person who can stop them is this
Speaker 7: really sexy vampire looks like she's from like a nineties
Speaker 7: comic book and she's wearing these tiny pants and for
Speaker 7: some reason falls.
Speaker 2: She falls in love with the world.
Speaker 5: She must fall, and then they have to have a
Speaker 5: werewolf Dracula, which is really important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the kind of.
Speaker 5: Movie that I will like always watch if they're replaying
Speaker 5: it on top.
Speaker 6: It's fun.
Speaker 3: They're fun, they're corny, they're stylish.
Speaker 5: They actually do have a very very recognizable esthetic.
Speaker 1: They really do across the whole Underworld.
Speaker 3: Franchise, which, honestly, I have to say, I think.
Speaker 2: The Underworld franchise might be the one I think it's underrated.
Speaker 2: I do think it's underrated.
Speaker 5: I also think it might be the one that's longest running,
Speaker 5: Like I think the Newest Underworld most might be the
Speaker 5: most recent movie. Okay, so yeah, they did one in
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, so this trip was running for like thirteen years,
Speaker 5: and there was a video game in two thousand and four.
Speaker 5: They have had I mean, I think that they made
Speaker 5: a short film that was animated. There have been comic
Speaker 5: books and novels, and on the Wikipedia they say present
Speaker 5: this is still going on. So I'm sure that Sony's
Speaker 5: probably trying to find a way to make it.
Speaker 6: This is where your be money should be living, Sony,
Speaker 6: I'm saying, like, right back to Underworld and be like,
Speaker 6: you know what, this is where we live. This is
Speaker 6: our house.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is actually very interesting as well. I did
Speaker 5: not know this, but Kevin I didn't know that Kevin
Speaker 5: Grivau he creates, so he co created Underworld and he
Speaker 5: also wrote that I and he was the creer of
Speaker 5: the I Frankenstein graphic novel that famously turned into the
Speaker 5: I Frankenstein movie with none other than Gotham.
Speaker 3: Uh you know da Aaron Oh, he played two Face, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Two Face, and he was in and that movie I
Speaker 5: Frankenstein was meant to be in the same world. And
Speaker 5: then they ended up being like, no, we're not doing
Speaker 5: the crossover, which I also thought was interesting also Aaron Eckart.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Also interestingly, in twenty sixteen, Kate Beckenceale had said that
Speaker 5: they'd been trying to do an Underworld and Blade crossover.
Speaker 5: Shut mar That was before that was before Marvel got
Speaker 5: the right Okay, so then when Marvel got the Blade,
Speaker 5: they were like absolutely not getting Yeah, this is definitely.
Speaker 6: Would do it, is all I'm saying. MCU Marvel Comics
Speaker 6: would be like yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: Also, apparently they were going to do a Resident Evil
Speaker 5: crossover to so no, Underworld.
Speaker 1: Is the better Resident Evil because they both have they
Speaker 1: both have very similar runs, the esthetic is quite similar,
Speaker 1: and of course they kind of overlapped for much of
Speaker 1: the run. But Underworld to me, is vastly superior in
Speaker 1: every way. Like, watch any of those Resident Evil movies
Speaker 1: and tell me you understand what's happening at any given time.
Speaker 1: At least the Underworld movies like there's a story in everything,
Speaker 1: easy to follow.
Speaker 3: These movies have made over five hundred million years.
Speaker 8: Actually, they're huge hit.
Speaker 5: Even though they were negatively reviewed, it doesn't matter that
Speaker 5: almost Teflon like fans love it because people want to
Speaker 5: see it. And recently Kate Beckinsale, who I do love.
Speaker 5: She has a great Instagram presence. She is just a
Speaker 5: truly fantastic Hollywood eccentric and she's a very kind person.
Speaker 5: She recently said in the last few years, well, I
Speaker 5: would potentially come back as Selene, and you know what,
Speaker 5: she's still got banging bod. She would be Selene. I
Speaker 5: could see how doing it. She should have been Laura Croft.
Speaker 5: Why they never cast her as Lara Croft is a scandal.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think the wolf Man movies need they
Speaker 5: need a shout out.
Speaker 2: Should we do a best of the rest? Whatever?
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go quickly through our best of the rest.
Speaker 1: Just what you know, what weird? Either a true werewolf
Speaker 1: movie or werewolf adjacent movie is has your Heart?
Speaker 6: Joelle? You are okay? So it is called The Wolf
Speaker 6: of snow Hollow. It is drifted and starring and written
Speaker 6: by Jim Cummings, not the voice actor, different guy. It
Speaker 6: starts Ricky lynd Holm, who if you watched another period
Speaker 6: It's one of my favorite Comedy Central shows. She gets
Speaker 6: to do like a semi comedic but mostly serious role
Speaker 6: as detective Julia Robson and Robert Forrester is here a
Speaker 6: Sheriff Hadley. This film was so compelling. You never see
Speaker 6: the wolf, which I found really interesting. So the whole
Speaker 6: time you're left trying to figure out is this a
Speaker 6: horror fantasy film or just a horror film? You're not sure.
Speaker 6: You follow this police officer who is a recovering alcoholic.
Speaker 6: His father is the sheriff who's ailing and should no
Speaker 6: longer be in the position. He's divorced from his wife.
Speaker 6: That's a very toxic relationship. They haven't figured out how
Speaker 6: to co parent yet. His daughter's about to go to college.
Speaker 6: He is falling apart at the scenes, like most wearble films.
Speaker 6: I thing we haven't gotten into. But the thing I
Speaker 6: noticed is watching all these movies A cap no good
Speaker 6: cops in anywhere, well movie, they're all idiots, No one
Speaker 6: suspect body.
Speaker 3: Like, no one knows what they're doing.
Speaker 5: They can't get foolish, they can't do anything.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So he's falling apart. His team is making fun
Speaker 6: of him. Everyone's like, just give it to the feds.
Speaker 6: He's like, no one trusts us as cops. Maybe we
Speaker 6: should try to be cops. But as he's saying that,
Speaker 6: he's also returned back to drinking alcohol, and it's having
Speaker 6: fits of rage at anybody who's on the heat to
Speaker 6: like cross him. And he's falling apart, And so the
Speaker 6: whole time you're like, man, this guy should not be
Speaker 6: doing this job. He's not good. He's not listening. A
Speaker 6: woman is like, I'm pretty sure I ran into the guy.
Speaker 6: They don't believe her. It's a hot mess right up
Speaker 6: to the end, which I do not want to spoil,
Speaker 6: but is so freaking satisfying. Guys. This movie really hit me, like,
Speaker 6: I can't wait to tell more of my like true
Speaker 6: centophile friends, Like if this is something you haven't popped in,
Speaker 6: it's absolutely worth the watch. It's super fun, It's very funny.
Speaker 6: If you come from a small town like I do,
Speaker 6: you absolutely connect to it. So noirri very, like police
Speaker 6: detective work, but in a way that feels very grounded
Speaker 6: and real. We're not going to labs, we're not calling
Speaker 6: in specialists. It's just a bunch of regular townsfolk trying
Speaker 6: to figure out who's killing these women. It's so so,
Speaker 6: so so good. I really enjoyed it, so yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6: It came out in twenty twenty, so a lot of
Speaker 6: people missed it, so the loof of snow hollow. I
Speaker 6: think I rented it for like three bucks, so not
Speaker 6: not difficult to find though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 6: What about You Real?
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go for English classic.
Speaker 5: In the early zeros that and late nineties, there was
Speaker 5: like a big boom and British filmmaking, led by movies
Speaker 5: like Sexy Beast and Football Factory, and they kind of
Speaker 5: focused on this Hitherfore unseen like working class experience in England.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 5: So director called Neil Marshall, who you may know from
Speaker 5: the Descent. This was three years before he made The Descents.
Speaker 5: It was called Dog Soldiers and it is about like
Speaker 5: British soldiers.
Speaker 3: Who are sent into a they have to go on a.
Speaker 5: Mission and then they end up getting hunted by werewolves
Speaker 5: and they're kind of trapped in like the shack, being
Speaker 5: hunted by were wolves.
Speaker 3: It's very English. Sean pertwe is in it.
Speaker 5: Legend there is the now sadly embattled rapper was in
Speaker 5: it to who is his his life?
Speaker 3: Noel Clark.
Speaker 5: He is like a very famous British rapper and like
Speaker 5: he made these movies called Kidulthood. But he is now
Speaker 5: he's at it. He's at it. We don't know's he's been.
Speaker 5: He's been beleagued. H And yeah, this was This was
Speaker 5: a very important movie when I was a kid, Like.
Speaker 3: We would watch it a lot. It was.
Speaker 5: It's in I think it's set in like North Wales,
Speaker 5: and it's basically just a bunch of sas guys getting
Speaker 5: like absolutely fucked up by wolf wolf. It's just really good,
Speaker 5: really scary, really atmospheric. You can definitely see that Neil
Speaker 5: Marshall is someone who's gonna make a masterpiece, and obviously
Speaker 5: The Descent is that masterpiece.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this movie.
Speaker 5: Also another movie with a ton like a whole cottage
Speaker 5: industry of sequels.
Speaker 3: They're still making sequels to dogs als.
Speaker 5: Okay, people have never even heard of it, Jason, what's
Speaker 5: your what's your deep cup pick?
Speaker 1: So you're best not technically a were wolf movement, it's
Speaker 1: a movie that plays with werewolf tropes. It is the
Speaker 1: two thousand and one French action film Brotherhood of the Wolf,
Speaker 1: starring Vincent Cassell I believe is soon to be wife
Speaker 1: Monica Blucci, directed by Christophe Gons What to say about this? So,
Speaker 1: the plot of the movie is during the reign of
Speaker 1: Louis the fifteenth, a potential werewolf is in the countryside,
Speaker 1: just like tearing people apart. It's some mysterious beasts. Nobode
Speaker 1: can stop it. It's killing everybody. Nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: The king has his royal naturalist, fran Sac and his
Speaker 1: Iroquois companion because they had spent a bunch of years,
Speaker 1: you know, traveling in the order in the French and
Speaker 1: Indian wars and in North America come and investigate, and
Speaker 1: there is a lot of like matrix inspired martial arts
Speaker 1: action in this film in congress, a lot of incongruous
Speaker 1: shit that happens in this movie. And they discover after
Speaker 1: a while that the beast is being uncontrolled is part
Speaker 1: of this secret society called the Brotherhood of the Wolf
Speaker 1: that is working to like undermine the king by killing
Speaker 1: his subjects and making people feel like, oh, maybe kings,
Speaker 1: maybe the king doesn't know what he's.
Speaker 3: Doing and he can't be Kings are bad.
Speaker 6: Maybe kings are bad. Towns people are also essential to
Speaker 6: a wolf story. They kind of dumb townspeople who are
Speaker 6: just panicked at all times.
Speaker 1: Yes, And when I tell you that this French film
Speaker 1: set in the in the mid eighteenth century has some
Speaker 1: of the best like martial arts inspired action of the
Speaker 1: two thousands, what I'm telling you the truth, Like they're
Speaker 1: just if you're not going to see this movie, and
Speaker 1: I get it. It's a weird film, but good and
Speaker 1: really entertaining. Just go Google right now, or go to
Speaker 1: YouTube and google like Brotherhood of the Wolf fights and
Speaker 1: the fight scenes.
Speaker 2: Are They're fucking awesome. They're awesome.
Speaker 1: And truly truly weird movie with a twist that's kind
Speaker 1: of dumb, but I'm not gonna spoil it for you.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but a great
Speaker 1: twist that is also very dumb. Brotherhood of the Wolf. Well, folks,
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Speaker 10: You you were smoky laic la to see the seek Air,
Speaker 10: not sure if you're gonna be able to return home
Speaker 10: after the screening.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I agree to see.
Speaker 1: It wasn't worth it to see Lee Wento's latest masterpiece,
Speaker 1: wolf Man.
Speaker 6: It was worth it to go on. If you aren't
Speaker 6: talk to some good friends about this movie, because I
Speaker 6: had many. This is one of those films where in
Speaker 6: the middle of it, I was like, why do we
Speaker 6: make this and who is it for? And at the
Speaker 6: end there's a twist which I saw I called in
Speaker 6: like the first two minutes, I was like, okay, well
Speaker 6: that's that's the conclusion. The gas were so loud and
Speaker 6: so severe that I was like, oh, maybe this is
Speaker 6: for people who like see horror, who are just like
Speaker 6: A don't really care. I like a monster. A monster
Speaker 6: is here and that's what and I like that and
Speaker 6: that's fine. But I just want to start off there.
Speaker 6: This is below a B movie because it seeks zero comedy.
Speaker 6: There's not a whiff of comedy, and I don't think
Speaker 6: where old movies work without a sense of comedy. I
Speaker 6: don't think they need to be.
Speaker 3: Because a sud situation.
Speaker 6: It is absolutely absurd and you cannot wrap your mind
Speaker 6: around it unless you're sort of laughing into it, I believe,
Speaker 6: And so listen. This film starts off with a twenty
Speaker 6: minute flashback, which, just like Drayman, annoyingly, where your main
Speaker 6: character is a kid. He's got a dad who's very angry.
Speaker 6: Why is he angry? You're not sure, but he's like,
Speaker 6: literally to his like twelve year old boy is like,
Speaker 6: dying is the easiest thing you could do, could happen
Speaker 6: at any time, and you be a lot to It's
Speaker 6: like hype your masculine. Like he's got like an army
Speaker 6: bunker under their house, and he talks to a guy.
Speaker 6: He's like, I saw this creature in the woods. He's
Speaker 6: either we got to go hunt. Then you flash forward
Speaker 6: thirty years. You're in New York City. Your lead character
Speaker 6: is now with his child, his daughter. She's about his
Speaker 6: age when he went through this thirteen and she's got
Speaker 6: like the TWU two and the fairy wings, and he's
Speaker 6: carrying a giant stuffed animal for her, and she hops
Speaker 6: up on like a plant box and runs into an
Speaker 6: unhoused person who sort of yells at her, and her
Speaker 6: father freaks out, like his father freaked out. And so, okay,
Speaker 6: now you get the premise. We're looking back. Father relationships
Speaker 6: is all very within the cannon. I wish I could
Speaker 6: tell you anything that happens at well, I'll tell you
Speaker 6: one thing. His father's declared dead. They haven't seen him
Speaker 6: for a long time. He hasn't seen his dad in
Speaker 6: a long time. He's declared dead. They have to go
Speaker 6: back to Oklahoma, Iowa, somewhere way out west in the
Speaker 6: middle of nowhere to get his father's stuff. So the family.
Speaker 6: His wife is like, she doesn't want to go. I
Speaker 6: guess she's a journalist and she's kind of busy. Okay,
Speaker 6: so she's, well, let's go be a family.
Speaker 5: Leah Ghana of Ozong fame is not particular well used
Speaker 5: in the movie, does not have a law.
Speaker 1: This is this is tremendously This is disappointing because, as
Speaker 1: we've been talking about on this program, we were, you know,
Speaker 1: The Invisible Man was.
Speaker 6: Maybe the best horror film I've seen in the past decade,
Speaker 6: and that's not even close like The Invisible Man shook me.
Speaker 1: What I'm getting from your reaction is it feels to
Speaker 1: me like The Invisible Man the kind of more updated
Speaker 1: context of what it would mean to be an Invisible Man,
Speaker 1: and you know, man is the important is really one
Speaker 1: of the most important parts of that title, and what
Speaker 1: it would mean to use those powers. I think there
Speaker 1: was kind of like a social context to root that
Speaker 1: reimagining to It feels like with Wolfman, they tried to
Speaker 1: find something equally as smart and cutting and just kind
Speaker 1: of overcooked it without leaning in too.
Speaker 6: Here's what I've heard happened from the grape vine. Now,
Speaker 6: a friend who went to the junk and therefore got
Speaker 6: The film's production notes said that initially the creators were
Speaker 6: inspired by degenerative diseases and that was what they were
Speaker 6: going to lean into. The main character's mom was supposed
Speaker 6: to have about with als. That's not in the film
Speaker 6: at all, So it seems like they had this really
Speaker 6: they felt they had a strong idea, and people either
Speaker 6: reacted poorly or the studio wanted to walk it back,
Speaker 6: and then the film never quite found its footing. Nothing
Speaker 6: happens once they get bat Yeah.
Speaker 5: Culta called it half a movie. They said that what
Speaker 5: it feels like you there's something missing.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: I I love and trust Lee Vinyl, especially after Invisible Man,
Speaker 5: but I have to say, any kind of you know,
Speaker 5: equating a devastating kind of disability, your illness with monstrosity,
Speaker 5: has to be done very very carefully. So I probably
Speaker 5: understand why that was not necessarily that they went, especially
Speaker 5: when we've had quite a few incredible Alzheimer's horror movies
Speaker 5: of the last few years about like how scary it
Speaker 5: can be to kind of lose a connection with your
Speaker 5: loved one.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that's a shame.
Speaker 5: I think you know, will it still make money. We'll
Speaker 5: find out after this weekend.
Speaker 6: It'll be interesting to see. I think the Wolfman design
Speaker 6: was not great. Rosie had mentioned the other day that
Speaker 6: they premiered that at the Warner Brothers Fripe that's out
Speaker 6: here in La It lasted a day. People were clowning
Speaker 6: it so hard. It definitely does not It feels like
Speaker 6: they were trying to go for an extreme realism, which
Speaker 6: again doesn't work. This is a fantasy. Lean into it
Speaker 6: and make him a freaking wolf. Also say from a
Speaker 6: horror perspective, which I thought that Invisible Man got so right,
Speaker 6: like the creepiness, the moment that was built so well,
Speaker 6: and they're completely gone here. There's just no They try
Speaker 6: to set up for jump scares, but you're not terrified
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 3: Too dark to really see what the jump scared.
Speaker 2: I think they need to make it dark to cover
Speaker 2: up that.
Speaker 3: The design.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my friend Ayah, who's just such a she's a
Speaker 5: really fantastic artist, Aya Francisco. You can follow her on Instagram,
Speaker 5: and uh, she went to see it and with big
Speaker 5: horror fans, and she said she literally gave it one star.
Speaker 5: She was like, it was so dark once they got
Speaker 5: to the forest, she was like, I could not tell
Speaker 5: what was going on.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was meant to be getting
Speaker 3: jump scared. I couldn't.
Speaker 5: She was like, I literally missed a jump scare because
Speaker 5: it was so dark.
Speaker 6: Once they got I will see you missed nothing because literally,
Speaker 6: character story wise, nothing happens. They're literally just running around
Speaker 6: from this wolf back and forth, back and forth, back
Speaker 6: and forth until the end, which is anti clomatic and silly. Uh,
Speaker 6: this film struggles.
Speaker 5: There is a character in this that the daughter she
Speaker 5: is called Ginger played by Matilda Firth, which I love
Speaker 5: a good Ginger Snap's reference, Like, come on.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's great.
Speaker 5: Also, I did hear there's a sore reference in there
Speaker 5: that the Saw fans were loving, So I will probably
Speaker 5: end up watching it for that. But yeah, yeah, shout
Speaker 5: out to Bumhouse Veroly, I must see.
Speaker 6: I would not. I would rather rewatch Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman,
Speaker 6: which I found incredibly delightful. Yes, and see this again.
Speaker 6: I would rather watch the twenty ten Wolfman over this,
Speaker 6: which is saying something that that movie really irks me.
Speaker 6: But I.
Speaker 3: Movie, it's so bad, it's just what are we?
Speaker 6: Emily blink again, like our girl from Julia. Julia. In
Speaker 6: this film, You're like, oh, this is an actress. She
Speaker 6: is doing everything she can to build an arc out
Speaker 6: of nothing. She's selling me what. I don't want to
Speaker 6: be interested in this movie. She's great. Emily does the
Speaker 6: same thing in the old one. But I do think
Speaker 6: that I would rather see people try and swing for
Speaker 6: the fences like this and miss than to do a
Speaker 6: redundant thing like they really tried to modernize this like
Speaker 6: Epic War, and I think that their approach was it
Speaker 6: was just a miss. So I don't know Shade till
Speaker 6: I think great. Looking forward to your next film, uh Universal,
Speaker 6: I still believe in these monsters. I know you can
Speaker 6: kind of revive them minutes.
Speaker 11: You can do it, you you we believe in It's
Speaker 11: gonna be something totally random and unexpected, like there was
Speaker 11: when the After the Invisible Man, there were all these
Speaker 11: cool movies that got picked up that kind of died
Speaker 11: during pandemic times, including The Kring Casama.
Speaker 5: I believe it was going to be like a Western
Speaker 5: Dracula movie set in the future, and I'm like, please
Speaker 5: make that movie, guys, like that's what we need.
Speaker 1: Well in the next episode of x ray Vision. This Thursday,
Speaker 1: We're concluding our look at Doing Prophecy with the Master
Speaker 1: of the Prophecy himself, Aboo, to take you through all
Speaker 1: the lore and all the ins and outs of the
Speaker 1: of the unique Season one of Doing Prophecy on Maxiden.
Speaker 1: On Saturday, we'll take a look at the week's biggest headlines.
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