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Speaker 1: Oh warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for werewolf movies across

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Speaker 1: from many decades.

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Speaker 2: And as the moon grows high above you.

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Speaker 3: You have been warred.

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Speaker 2: Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion and.

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Speaker 4: I'm Rosey Night and I'm Germany, where the podcast we

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Speaker 4: Dine in your favorite movies copp Culture Coming to you

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Speaker 4: from our podcast where we're bringing you three huge, full

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Speaker 4: Whoa episodes a week, dripping with blood.

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Speaker 5: In today's episode, it's a were wolf bonanze in the omnibus,

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Speaker 5: recovering the classics, the cult classics, and the foreign films

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Speaker 5: that have come to define the genre of were wolf movies.

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Speaker 5: In the time capsule, we're looking at some deep cuts

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Speaker 5: that you might have missed. And in the back man

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Speaker 5: Joe El saw the New wolf Man movie, so you

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Speaker 5: don't have to, and she will give us a spoiler

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Speaker 5: free review.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the genre of the werewolf movie,

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Speaker 1: A wonderful genre. Kind of it's an interesting space because

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Speaker 1: it's kind of your it's really your third tier monster.

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Speaker 1: It's your third pick in the draft of monsters. You

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Speaker 1: go vampire probably, yeah, right, then you're gonna go zombie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, zombie slash Frankenstein.

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Speaker 1: Slash Frankenstein, and then yeah, after you've put out a

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Speaker 1: bunch of vampire and zombie movies, you're gonna go to

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Speaker 1: the Wolfman. And in that sense it lives as a

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Speaker 1: kind of and what else monster. But there have been

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Speaker 1: some true classics, and we have to start with nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty one's Wolfman, directed by George Wagner, screenplay by Kurt Siautomack,

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Speaker 1: featuring what is by now the iconic transformation scene of

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Speaker 2: Joelle tell us about The Wolfman.

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Speaker 6: So Rosie has been talking to me about universal monster

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Speaker 6: movies for a long time. She's like, you have to

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Speaker 6: get into them. This is one of the few I

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Speaker 6: Franklinstein one long time. I soa always saw the Dracula

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Speaker 6: favorite of the universal Wolfman films, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 6: those a little bit later. But what I really enjoyed

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Speaker 6: about this movie is like it really establishes the father

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Speaker 6: son angle that I think is really essential to Wolfman movies.

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Speaker 6: Like Larry that Larry Talbot is your main character. He

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Speaker 6: Because it's a Hammer film there about the same age.

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Speaker 6: Hammer was like, we don't really care location.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has everyone's kind of accent.

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Speaker 6: Listen, we said that's the dad, that's the dad. Just

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Speaker 6: I thought that was really beautiful. I also like that

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Speaker 6: this man has zero swagger, which is the thing I

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Speaker 6: don't think we see in Hollywood films anymore. He tries

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Speaker 6: to thinking. He's like, oh, let me just like take

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Speaker 6: peeping on you with a telescope. It's totally fine. Zero

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Speaker 6: zero game. He's like you very much hear every man,

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Speaker 6: And you're kind of annoyed with him until he gets

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Speaker 6: I think this movie holds up pretty well. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 6: What do you guys think about this one?

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Speaker 3: I think this is definitely a classic.

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Speaker 5: I think it's gone one of the best wolf man

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Speaker 3: I think we all still see that as.

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Speaker 2: Iconic, iconic were wolf.

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Speaker 3: Long Cheney's always great at being a monster.

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Speaker 5: I also think that something that me and Joel were

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Speaker 5: talking about about these Universal Monster movies is like they

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Speaker 6: And he plays Layla. In this movie he plays He

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Speaker 6: this story was written in like eighteen thirty one. It's

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Speaker 5: Also, as we will get into it a bit, they

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Speaker 3: Was that Michael J.

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Speaker 5: Fox's character got killed by being bludgeoned to death by

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Speaker 5: because I always thought Teen Wolf was a lot gloria

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I think this is a great classic. I

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Speaker 5: also will just say, guys, Universal Monsters, there's a full

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Speaker 5: Universal Wants this channel that you can just watch on

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Speaker 5: Roku or Pluto and they just play these movies like NonStop.

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Speaker 3: It has been a true education.

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Speaker 1: Ender to me, really really fun there they're wonderful movies.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned it up. Next, let's talk about a more

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Speaker 1: modern classic, teen Wolf nineteen eighty five. Teen Wolf direct

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Speaker 1: by Rod Daniel, screenlay by Jeff Lobe and matthe Slobe.

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Speaker 6: What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Uh, the debut film for TV's Michael J.

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Speaker 1: Wow and a wonderful teen werewolf movie, in which Michael J.

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Speaker 2: Fox plays Scott, who, in.

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Speaker 1: What is a trench at puberty metaphor, goes through a

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Speaker 2: He is from a family of werewolves.

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Speaker 3: Guys. I feel like he I feel like he stat

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna He's very Yeah, they weren't sure, and

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Speaker 2: He was right there.

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Speaker 6: In cinematic history, that long walk downwards to then a

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Speaker 5: I have to say the fact that Jeff lo broke

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Speaker 5: this makes a lot of sense because this does follow

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Speaker 5: one of the classic racist tropes in movies, which is

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Speaker 5: if somebody is turning into a monster or slash evil,

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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, because I thought him going for the

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Speaker 3: Like because think about this guy's Spider Man three.

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Speaker 7: When he's got the black seat, Suddenly he becomes really

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Speaker 6: And he's really true and swap. It's like a.

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Speaker 3: Really weird Hollywood trope. And Jeff Lobe, I know, I

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Speaker 1: Now, I know you wrote I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: to be fair to Jeff and all of us, I

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Speaker 2: This particular trope. No, that's but you're one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: Where did we This is a movie I remember seeing

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Speaker 2: This movie probably five hundred times.

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Speaker 1: It's later taken on some easter egg like significance in

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, what yeah, And oh you've not heard this, Joel, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Was not aware Wolf Gurley growing up, and so actually

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Speaker 6: is this the funniest movie ever made? Made? It's so

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Speaker 6: when Dad opens the door, I was dying.

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Speaker 1: I was like that, I thought, honestly, no, bullshit. One

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Speaker 5: I'm I did think that's an interesting trope that establishes. Also, Joel,

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Speaker 3: How good are the jackets in this movie?

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Speaker 2: The incredible Letterman jacket.

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Speaker 6: I was prepared to go shopping watching this film. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: The style is really on point in this movie in

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Speaker 1: varsity team. And funnily Funnily enough, I was watching the

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Speaker 1: Traders Program reality television program, allan International Legend, International legend,

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Speaker 1: Yet? By the way Letterman jackets they started as Letterman

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Speaker 6: That's exactly exactly. We also say this film has some

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Speaker 3: Just fucking kill yourself? Like yeah, survive, like don't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really it is truly just a brilliant movie,

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Speaker 5: Like you just can't question it. So I'd say, if

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Speaker 2: It's a remarkable film again by the infamous John Landis,

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Speaker 1: Okay, so those are really the kind of those are

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Speaker 2: Let's just go.

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Speaker 1: We have our list put together by Joel. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Thank you, the list of cult classics and

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Speaker 6: Ginger Snaps. I don't know how you've been blast. I

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Speaker 1: It's also film like I remember, like I'm I was

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Speaker 1: I love movies and horror movies. I didn't see this

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Speaker 3: It was definitely.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I this was such a huge movie for me,

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Speaker 3: So I will just say, feel.

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Speaker 1: It does a great teen movie drama thing, which is

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, just see what about you, Rosie, what's

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Speaker 5: moved by it. I thought it was absolutely stunningly directed.

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Speaker 5: So basically it is an Englishman Bill Goodfellow. He's summoned

441
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Speaker 5: to kill Kenny in Ireland in sixteen oh five to

442
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Speaker 5: deal with like a pack of ravaging wolves that are

443
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Speaker 5: terrorizing the town. His kind of wild daughter, who loves

444
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Speaker 5: to be in the forest and loves to be outside

445
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Speaker 5: and wants to be a wolf hunter, ends up running

446
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Speaker 5: into a wolf and basically becoming connected with the wolf,

447
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Speaker 5: and suddenly they start a friendship, and Robin ends up

448
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Speaker 5: getting bitten, and Robin ends up turning into what they

449
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Speaker 5: call a wolf walker. She's a human by night by day,

450
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Speaker 5: and by night she's a wolf. And it is so

451
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 5: unbelievable to watch this movie and to see the way

452
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 5: that they they essentially make it a movie about the

453
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Speaker 5: witch hunts, but through the lens of wolf hunting, which

454
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Speaker 5: I think is really interesting. There is a scary kind

455
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Speaker 5: of evil proctor who's called the Lord Protector, very very

456
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 5: similar vibes, and it ends up where you get like

457
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Speaker 5: the village kind of turning on the Proctor and people

458
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Speaker 5: deciding they want to help the wolves. And I just

459
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Speaker 5: thought this was such an incredible movie. I've rewatched it

460
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Speaker 5: so many times. It is directed by Tom Moore and

461
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Speaker 5: Russ Stewart, screenplay by Will Collins.

462
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Speaker 3: It has Sean bean.

463
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Speaker 5: Our obviously got favorite Bill Goodfellow, Eva Whitaker as Mave,

464
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Speaker 5: and Maria Doyle as mal I want to Neep Say

465
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Speaker 5: as Robin Goodfellow. This movie is so unbelievable. And I

466
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Speaker 5: remember when it came out the whole critic class, like

467
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 5: everyone I knew or my colleagues, they were like, this

468
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 5: is the movie. Like this movie needs to win an OSCAR,

469
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 5: Like this movie needs to be recognized and talked about,

470
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Speaker 5: and this movie shows that you can still make an

471
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Speaker 5: incredible two de animated movie. And it's true, and the

472
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Speaker 5: music in this movie is incredible. Like I discovered this and,

473
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Speaker 5: in my opinion, the very underrated Pixar movie Luca around

474
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Speaker 5: the same time. They both came out in the COVID

475
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Speaker 5: times and were not necessarily given the huge push that

476
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Speaker 5: they would have been given otherwise, and both of them

477
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Speaker 5: I think are such fantastic entries into the monster genre.

478
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Speaker 5: And Luca is also like you know, however much Pixar

479
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 5: and the creator's sale, it's it's not necessarily about like

480
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Speaker 5: being gay, it's definitely about being gay.

481
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Speaker 6: They need.

482
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Speaker 3: There is an extremely.

483
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Speaker 5: Great monster movie in the vein of like a Creature

484
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Speaker 5: from the Black Lagoon, but about coming out and about

485
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Speaker 5: your first love and finding friendship, and.

486
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Speaker 3: It's so beautiful.

487
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Speaker 5: So both of those movies hit me at like a

488
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Speaker 5: very good time and I would definitely this one's still

489
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Speaker 5: on Apple tv Plus if you've got that subscription, go

490
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Speaker 5: and watch it.

491
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Speaker 3: It's so so good.

492
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Speaker 6: Gorgeous, wow, great wreck.

493
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Speaker 1: As we mentioned on this pod before, Apple TV Plus

494
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Speaker 1: subscription very easy to get.

495
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Speaker 2: They'll give it to you.

496
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Speaker 5: You can get that. You can get it for free

497
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Speaker 5: on best Buy. Just go to best Buy and write

498
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 5: Apple TV Plus. They'll just have a code for you.

499
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 5: Target if you've ever bought anything from there, they're offering

500
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Speaker 5: it to you card to buy anything and there.

501
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Speaker 2: The back of trucks in the street.

502
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Speaker 3: Just go get give it, take it please. We don't

503
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Speaker 3: need the money.

504
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Speaker 6: Where Apple.

505
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Speaker 5: Just make it a free service silo. Also, like the

506
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Speaker 5: Tetris movie is so good making it's Joel, you would

507
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 5: love it. It's like a Cold War thriller about Tetris

508
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 5: and creator rights and about this friendship between the American

509
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 5: an American guy who's trying to get the Tetris rights

510
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 5: for England and the Russian guy who actually made Tetris.

511
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Speaker 5: And it is unbelievable. Like that is such a fantastic movie.

512
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Speaker 1: This is an aside, but one of these days we

513
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Speaker 1: need to study Taron Edgerton's IMDb because this he is.

514
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Speaker 6: That I have.

515
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Speaker 1: I have a tremendous respect for mister Tarren Edgerton, who

516
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: has who selects roles in a very strange in Munich fashion.

517
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Speaker 3: And it's going great for him.

518
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Speaker 1: He's really like he was a guy who would like

519
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: they were clearly like setting up in The Kingsman to

520
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: be like this the young action movie guy. And he's like, no,

521
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that shit. I'm gonna get weird.

522
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Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I'm gonna play else in John.

523
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be very I'm gonna just do crazy things.

524
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Speaker 1: My pick, Yeah, I'm gonna pick. There's so many uh

525
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: that I really enjoy. I love the nineties Jack Nicholson

526
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Vehicle Wolf, which is one of the thought so I

527
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: don't understand how it got made, what the pitch was.

528
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: It's badly why crazy movie about Jack Nicholson discovering, as

529
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: a middle aged man, his virility after he's bitten by

530
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: a wolf and he starts like becoming like a like

531
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Speaker 1: a bully at work and pissing on guys shoes and just.

532
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: Being he's like, he's just a really horny guy.

533
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: It just becomes extremely horny, very very weird movie. But

534
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Speaker 1: the one I'm gonna pick is nineteen eighty one's The

535
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: Howling because I think it's really scary, like legend Joe Dante.

536
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: I think this is the movie he made after Pirana.

537
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: I think maybe and love that movie. It is super creepy.

538
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: It's about a Karen, a reporter in la who's working

539
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: on this story about a serial killer who's like kind

540
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Speaker 1: of like the night Stalker, you know, the film version

541
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Speaker 1: of the night Stalker. And she goes to meet him

542
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Speaker 1: and and he transforms into a werewolf moments before he

543
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: is shot and killed by police. So she begins digging

544
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: into it. And turns out like he's the evidence leads

545
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: her to this weird commune up in the Pacific northwest

546
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: of like sex hippies, and it turns out the sex

547
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: hippies are like a or like a werewolf cult, and

548
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: she gets embroiled in this thing and it's got some

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: really good transformations that are super super creepy. There's this

550
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Speaker 1: whole kind of undercurrent of like the dark side of

551
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: the hippie phenomenon of this, like is nineteen eighty one,

552
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Speaker 1: so we're like on the.

553
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Speaker 2: Other side of hippies.

554
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: The hippies are like in their thirties now, and it's

555
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: got so it's got this undercurrent of like what was

556
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: it all for?

557
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: Like what were we really doing? That is really really.

558
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Speaker 1: Fun and it's just got it a phenomenally dark, weird

559
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: vibe and it ends on a downer, which I always like,

560
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Speaker 1: you know, in a horror movie in particular.

561
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Speaker 5: Very classic were wolf traditions down they almost always die.

562
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Speaker 5: You know. Something else that I was thinking that the

563
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Speaker 5: howling is also there's a cottage industry of sequels, right.

564
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Speaker 1: I got all filmed like in Romania and Czechoslovaka, various

565
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Speaker 1: tax shelters across the Globe and they're all really bad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no no, some of the Howling

567
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 5: ones are like crazy though, so you gotta watch.

568
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Speaker 3: They're like be martial.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let me just say the Howling Marsupials, which I

570
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Speaker 1: think is the one they did in Australia. Chey that

571
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Speaker 1: one out for just being absolletely because.

572
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Speaker 5: But the thing is, I think that and there is

573
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Speaker 5: also a really famously hated sequel to American Wealth in London,

574
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Speaker 5: which is American Wealth in Paris, which is actually again

575
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: totally bonked.

576
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Speaker 6: Watching and fucking awful.

577
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Speaker 3: There's really crazy stuff.

578
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Speaker 5: So the thing I find is really interesting is like

579
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 5: there is obviously a you know, pun intended hunger for

580
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: werewolf movies, so it's kind of funny that we don't

581
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 5: actually get more mainstream werewolf movies, but the B movie

582
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 5: element of just making loads of sequels keeps happening because

583
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Speaker 5: there aren't a lot of high profile ones, like the

584
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Speaker 5: rest of ours are mostly kind of deep cut.

585
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Speaker 6: Though.

586
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Speaker 5: I will say the one that we haven't talked about

587
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: that I do think is an interesting inclusion that was

588
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Speaker 5: a huge h is Underworld.

589
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: Again Cohage industry of sequels.

590
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned Before we get into that, you mentioned

591
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Speaker 1: something I think is right, which is that because you're

592
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: in the this is your third tier monster.

593
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: Essentially, there is a strong.

594
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Speaker 1: B movie element, even when they try to do something

595
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Speaker 1: you know, triple.

596
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: A like Wolf.

597
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. That's such a good point. It is like

598
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: a movie.

599
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Speaker 1: But let's talk about Underworld, which I think are underrated

600
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Speaker 1: films to it. I agree Wiseman directed films, of course,

601
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Speaker 1: starring the knockout action star Kate's Sales.

602
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Speaker 5: Who I believe was Len Wiseman's wife at this point,

603
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 5: so as a limit on did they maybe on the set,

604
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: but then then she became his wife Because this is

605
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: a movie that has I don't even know how many

606
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 5: Underworld sequels there are, It's like at least four or

607
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 5: five at least. And also I just want to say,

608
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 5: the screenplay in this case is like a murderer's more

609
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 5: of interesting people.

610
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Speaker 3: Lem Wise Man, good for you still doing it.

611
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: But Kevin Gravau, who is a comic book guy and

612
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: also a movie guy, and also Danny McBride, who I

613
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: feel like pops up doing punch ups on the funniest

614
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 5: funniest things.

615
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Speaker 2: The cast is.

616
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Speaker 1: An iconic mix of like CW actors jumping up a level, yeah,

617
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: and like Shakespeare trained actors jumping down five levels, like Michael.

618
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Speaker 6: She As having the White Friends Lucien fucking loving it.

619
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 5: Also trapping himself to be in Twilight as one of

620
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Speaker 5: the Vulturia.

621
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Speaker 3: Very legendary Michael Sheen performance.

622
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 5: Also, I think Michael Sheen and Kate Beckhensale were married

623
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 5: for a while and had a kid, so maybe there's

624
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: some kind of romantic love triangle going on here. But yeah,

625
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 5: Underworld is basically hilarious because somebody was like, what if

626
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 5: the Matrix were but you just took the aesthetics of

627
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 5: the Matrix, not the politics of the Matrixx, just.

628
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: The aesthetics of the Matrix.

629
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Speaker 5: But it's about a world where vampires and were wolfs

630
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 5: are in like an unholy battle for survival.

631
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Speaker 3: In this like weird gothic Underworld.

632
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Speaker 1: I love it because it's legitimately a movie that when

633
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: you're eight, hanging out with your friends, you would write,

634
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: if you had the capability of right, yes, war between

635
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the werewolves of the vampires.

636
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 7: And the only person who can stop them is this

637
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 7: really sexy vampire looks like she's from like a nineties

638
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 7: comic book and she's wearing these tiny pants and for

639
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 7: some reason falls.

640
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: She falls in love with the world.

641
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 5: She must fall, and then they have to have a

642
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 5: werewolf Dracula, which is really important.

643
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the kind of.

644
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 5: Movie that I will like always watch if they're replaying

645
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 5: it on top.

646
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 6: It's fun.

647
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: They're fun, they're corny, they're stylish.

648
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 5: They actually do have a very very recognizable esthetic.

649
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: They really do across the whole Underworld.

650
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: Franchise, which, honestly, I have to say, I think.

651
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: The Underworld franchise might be the one I think it's underrated.

652
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: I do think it's underrated.

653
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 5: I also think it might be the one that's longest running,

654
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 5: Like I think the Newest Underworld most might be the

655
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: most recent movie. Okay, so yeah, they did one in

656
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, so this trip was running for like thirteen years,

657
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 5: and there was a video game in two thousand and four.

658
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 5: They have had I mean, I think that they made

659
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 5: a short film that was animated. There have been comic

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Speaker 5: books and novels, and on the Wikipedia they say present

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Speaker 5: this is still going on. So I'm sure that Sony's

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Speaker 5: probably trying to find a way to make it.

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Speaker 6: This is where your be money should be living, Sony,

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Speaker 6: I'm saying, like, right back to Underworld and be like,

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Speaker 6: you know what, this is where we live. This is

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Speaker 6: our house.

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Speaker 5: Okay, this is actually very interesting as well. I did

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Speaker 5: not know this, but Kevin I didn't know that Kevin

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Speaker 5: Grivau he creates, so he co created Underworld and he

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Speaker 5: also wrote that I and he was the creer of

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Speaker 5: the I Frankenstein graphic novel that famously turned into the

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Speaker 5: I Frankenstein movie with none other than Gotham.

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Speaker 3: Uh you know da Aaron Oh, he played two Face, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Two Face, and he was in and that movie I

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Speaker 5: Frankenstein was meant to be in the same world. And

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Speaker 5: then they ended up being like, no, we're not doing

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Speaker 5: the crossover, which I also thought was interesting also Aaron Eckart.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Also interestingly, in twenty sixteen, Kate Beckenceale had said that

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Speaker 5: they'd been trying to do an Underworld and Blade crossover.

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Speaker 5: Shut mar That was before that was before Marvel got

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Speaker 5: the right Okay, so then when Marvel got the Blade,

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Speaker 5: they were like absolutely not getting Yeah, this is definitely.

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Speaker 6: Would do it, is all I'm saying. MCU Marvel Comics

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Speaker 6: would be like yes, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Also, apparently they were going to do a Resident Evil

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Speaker 5: crossover to so no, Underworld.

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Speaker 1: Is the better Resident Evil because they both have they

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Speaker 1: both have very similar runs, the esthetic is quite similar,

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Speaker 1: and of course they kind of overlapped for much of

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Speaker 1: the run. But Underworld to me, is vastly superior in

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Speaker 1: every way. Like, watch any of those Resident Evil movies

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Speaker 1: and tell me you understand what's happening at any given time.

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Speaker 1: At least the Underworld movies like there's a story in everything,

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Speaker 1: easy to follow.

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Speaker 3: These movies have made over five hundred million years.

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Speaker 8: Actually, they're huge hit.

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Speaker 5: Even though they were negatively reviewed, it doesn't matter that

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Speaker 5: almost Teflon like fans love it because people want to

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Speaker 5: see it. And recently Kate Beckinsale, who I do love.

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Speaker 5: She has a great Instagram presence. She is just a

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Speaker 5: truly fantastic Hollywood eccentric and she's a very kind person.

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Speaker 5: She recently said in the last few years, well, I

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Speaker 5: would potentially come back as Selene, and you know what,

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Speaker 5: she's still got banging bod. She would be Selene. I

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Speaker 5: could see how doing it. She should have been Laura Croft.

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Speaker 5: Why they never cast her as Lara Croft is a scandal.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think the wolf Man movies need they

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Speaker 5: need a shout out.

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Speaker 2: Should we do a best of the rest? Whatever?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go quickly through our best of the rest.

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Speaker 1: Just what you know, what weird? Either a true werewolf

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Speaker 1: movie or werewolf adjacent movie is has your Heart?

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Speaker 6: Joelle? You are okay? So it is called The Wolf

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Speaker 6: of snow Hollow. It is drifted and starring and written

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Speaker 6: by Jim Cummings, not the voice actor, different guy. It

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Speaker 6: starts Ricky lynd Holm, who if you watched another period

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Speaker 6: It's one of my favorite Comedy Central shows. She gets

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Speaker 6: to do like a semi comedic but mostly serious role

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Speaker 6: as detective Julia Robson and Robert Forrester is here a

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Speaker 6: Sheriff Hadley. This film was so compelling. You never see

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Speaker 6: the wolf, which I found really interesting. So the whole

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Speaker 6: time you're left trying to figure out is this a

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Speaker 6: horror fantasy film or just a horror film? You're not sure.

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Speaker 6: You follow this police officer who is a recovering alcoholic.

726
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Speaker 6: His father is the sheriff who's ailing and should no

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Speaker 6: longer be in the position. He's divorced from his wife.

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Speaker 6: That's a very toxic relationship. They haven't figured out how

729
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Speaker 6: to co parent yet. His daughter's about to go to college.

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Speaker 6: He is falling apart at the scenes, like most wearble films.

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Speaker 6: I thing we haven't gotten into. But the thing I

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Speaker 6: noticed is watching all these movies A cap no good

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Speaker 6: cops in anywhere, well movie, they're all idiots, No one

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Speaker 6: suspect body.

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Speaker 3: Like, no one knows what they're doing.

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Speaker 5: They can't get foolish, they can't do anything.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, So he's falling apart. His team is making fun

738
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Speaker 6: of him. Everyone's like, just give it to the feds.

739
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Speaker 6: He's like, no one trusts us as cops. Maybe we

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Speaker 6: should try to be cops. But as he's saying that,

741
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Speaker 6: he's also returned back to drinking alcohol, and it's having

742
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Speaker 6: fits of rage at anybody who's on the heat to

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Speaker 6: like cross him. And he's falling apart, And so the

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Speaker 6: whole time you're like, man, this guy should not be

745
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Speaker 6: doing this job. He's not good. He's not listening. A

746
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Speaker 6: woman is like, I'm pretty sure I ran into the guy.

747
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Speaker 6: They don't believe her. It's a hot mess right up

748
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Speaker 6: to the end, which I do not want to spoil,

749
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Speaker 6: but is so freaking satisfying. Guys. This movie really hit me, like,

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Speaker 6: I can't wait to tell more of my like true

751
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Speaker 6: centophile friends, Like if this is something you haven't popped in,

752
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Speaker 6: it's absolutely worth the watch. It's super fun, It's very funny.

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Speaker 6: If you come from a small town like I do,

754
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Speaker 6: you absolutely connect to it. So noirri very, like police

755
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Speaker 6: detective work, but in a way that feels very grounded

756
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Speaker 6: and real. We're not going to labs, we're not calling

757
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Speaker 6: in specialists. It's just a bunch of regular townsfolk trying

758
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Speaker 6: to figure out who's killing these women. It's so so,

759
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Speaker 6: so so good. I really enjoyed it, so yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 6: It came out in twenty twenty, so a lot of

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Speaker 6: people missed it, so the loof of snow hollow. I

762
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Speaker 6: think I rented it for like three bucks, so not

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Speaker 6: not difficult to find though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 6: What about You Real?

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Speaker 2: What about you?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go for English classic.

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Speaker 5: In the early zeros that and late nineties, there was

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Speaker 5: like a big boom and British filmmaking, led by movies

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Speaker 5: like Sexy Beast and Football Factory, and they kind of

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Speaker 5: focused on this Hitherfore unseen like working class experience in England.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 5: So director called Neil Marshall, who you may know from

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Speaker 5: the Descent. This was three years before he made The Descents.

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Speaker 5: It was called Dog Soldiers and it is about like

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Speaker 5: British soldiers.

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Speaker 3: Who are sent into a they have to go on a.

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Speaker 5: Mission and then they end up getting hunted by werewolves

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Speaker 5: and they're kind of trapped in like the shack, being

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Speaker 5: hunted by were wolves.

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Speaker 3: It's very English. Sean pertwe is in it.

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Speaker 5: Legend there is the now sadly embattled rapper was in

783
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Speaker 5: it to who is his his life?

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Speaker 3: Noel Clark.

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Speaker 5: He is like a very famous British rapper and like

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Speaker 5: he made these movies called Kidulthood. But he is now

787
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Speaker 5: he's at it. He's at it. We don't know's he's been.

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Speaker 5: He's been beleagued. H And yeah, this was This was

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Speaker 5: a very important movie when I was a kid, Like.

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Speaker 3: We would watch it a lot. It was.

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Speaker 5: It's in I think it's set in like North Wales,

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Speaker 5: and it's basically just a bunch of sas guys getting

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Speaker 5: like absolutely fucked up by wolf wolf. It's just really good,

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Speaker 5: really scary, really atmospheric. You can definitely see that Neil

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Speaker 5: Marshall is someone who's gonna make a masterpiece, and obviously

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Speaker 5: The Descent is that masterpiece.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this movie.

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Speaker 5: Also another movie with a ton like a whole cottage

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Speaker 5: industry of sequels.

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Speaker 3: They're still making sequels to dogs als.

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Speaker 5: Okay, people have never even heard of it, Jason, what's

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Speaker 5: your what's your deep cup pick?

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Speaker 1: So you're best not technically a were wolf movement, it's

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Speaker 1: a movie that plays with werewolf tropes. It is the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one French action film Brotherhood of the Wolf,

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Speaker 1: starring Vincent Cassell I believe is soon to be wife

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Speaker 1: Monica Blucci, directed by Christophe Gons What to say about this? So,

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Speaker 1: the plot of the movie is during the reign of

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Speaker 1: Louis the fifteenth, a potential werewolf is in the countryside,

810
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Speaker 1: just like tearing people apart. It's some mysterious beasts. Nobode

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Speaker 1: can stop it. It's killing everybody. Nobody knows what's going on.

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Speaker 1: The king has his royal naturalist, fran Sac and his

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Speaker 1: Iroquois companion because they had spent a bunch of years,

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Speaker 1: you know, traveling in the order in the French and

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Speaker 1: Indian wars and in North America come and investigate, and

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of like matrix inspired martial arts

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Speaker 1: action in this film in congress, a lot of incongruous

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Speaker 1: shit that happens in this movie. And they discover after

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Speaker 1: a while that the beast is being uncontrolled is part

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Speaker 1: of this secret society called the Brotherhood of the Wolf

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Speaker 1: that is working to like undermine the king by killing

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Speaker 1: his subjects and making people feel like, oh, maybe kings,

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Speaker 1: maybe the king doesn't know what he's.

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Speaker 3: Doing and he can't be Kings are bad.

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Speaker 6: Maybe kings are bad. Towns people are also essential to

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Speaker 6: a wolf story. They kind of dumb townspeople who are

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Speaker 6: just panicked at all times.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And when I tell you that this French film

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Speaker 1: set in the in the mid eighteenth century has some

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Speaker 1: of the best like martial arts inspired action of the

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Speaker 1: two thousands, what I'm telling you the truth, Like they're

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Speaker 1: just if you're not going to see this movie, and

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Speaker 1: I get it. It's a weird film, but good and

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Speaker 1: really entertaining. Just go Google right now, or go to

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Speaker 1: YouTube and google like Brotherhood of the Wolf fights and

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Speaker 1: the fight scenes.

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Speaker 2: Are They're fucking awesome. They're awesome.

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Speaker 1: And truly truly weird movie with a twist that's kind

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Speaker 1: of dumb, but I'm not gonna spoil it for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but a great

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Speaker 1: twist that is also very dumb. Brotherhood of the Wolf. Well, folks,

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Speaker 1: this has been the Wolf our Wolf conversation and this

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Speaker 1: has all been to set up. Yeah, Joel's frightening reaction

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Speaker 1: to Lee Wannad's latest film, a re imagining of Wolfman

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Speaker 1: that you have recently seen and you were going to

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Speaker 1: tell us about after.

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Speaker 1: Back Lee Wynol's Wolfman. You've seen it, Joel, Watch.

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Speaker 6: Under Duress, Okay, under in the Fires.

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Speaker 10: You you were smoky laic la to see the seek Air,

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Speaker 10: not sure if you're gonna be able to return home

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Speaker 10: after the screening.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, I agree to see.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't worth it to see Lee Wento's latest masterpiece,

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Speaker 1: wolf Man.

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Speaker 6: It was worth it to go on. If you aren't

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Speaker 6: talk to some good friends about this movie, because I

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Speaker 6: had many. This is one of those films where in

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Speaker 6: the middle of it, I was like, why do we

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Speaker 6: make this and who is it for? And at the

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Speaker 6: end there's a twist which I saw I called in

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Speaker 6: like the first two minutes, I was like, okay, well

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Speaker 6: that's that's the conclusion. The gas were so loud and

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Speaker 6: so severe that I was like, oh, maybe this is

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Speaker 6: for people who like see horror, who are just like

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Speaker 6: A don't really care. I like a monster. A monster

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Speaker 6: is here and that's what and I like that and

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Speaker 6: that's fine. But I just want to start off there.

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Speaker 6: This is below a B movie because it seeks zero comedy.

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Speaker 6: There's not a whiff of comedy, and I don't think

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Speaker 6: where old movies work without a sense of comedy. I

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Speaker 6: don't think they need to be.

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Speaker 3: Because a sud situation.

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Speaker 6: It is absolutely absurd and you cannot wrap your mind

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Speaker 6: around it unless you're sort of laughing into it, I believe,

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Speaker 6: And so listen. This film starts off with a twenty

877
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 6: minute flashback, which, just like Drayman, annoyingly, where your main

878
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 6: character is a kid. He's got a dad who's very angry.

879
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 6: Why is he angry? You're not sure, but he's like,

880
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 6: literally to his like twelve year old boy is like,

881
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 6: dying is the easiest thing you could do, could happen

882
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 6: at any time, and you be a lot to It's

883
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 6: like hype your masculine. Like he's got like an army

884
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 6: bunker under their house, and he talks to a guy.

885
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 6: He's like, I saw this creature in the woods. He's

886
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 6: either we got to go hunt. Then you flash forward

887
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 6: thirty years. You're in New York City. Your lead character

888
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 6: is now with his child, his daughter. She's about his

889
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 6: age when he went through this thirteen and she's got

890
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 6: like the TWU two and the fairy wings, and he's

891
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 6: carrying a giant stuffed animal for her, and she hops

892
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 6: up on like a plant box and runs into an

893
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 6: unhoused person who sort of yells at her, and her

894
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 6: father freaks out, like his father freaked out. And so, okay,

895
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Speaker 6: now you get the premise. We're looking back. Father relationships

896
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 6: is all very within the cannon. I wish I could

897
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Speaker 6: tell you anything that happens at well, I'll tell you

898
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Speaker 6: one thing. His father's declared dead. They haven't seen him

899
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Speaker 6: for a long time. He hasn't seen his dad in

900
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 6: a long time. He's declared dead. They have to go

901
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 6: back to Oklahoma, Iowa, somewhere way out west in the

902
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 6: middle of nowhere to get his father's stuff. So the family.

903
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: His wife is like, she doesn't want to go. I

904
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 6: guess she's a journalist and she's kind of busy. Okay,

905
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 6: so she's, well, let's go be a family.

906
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Speaker 5: Leah Ghana of Ozong fame is not particular well used

907
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 5: in the movie, does not have a law.

908
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Speaker 1: This is this is tremendously This is disappointing because, as

909
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: we've been talking about on this program, we were, you know,

910
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: The Invisible Man was.

911
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Speaker 6: Maybe the best horror film I've seen in the past decade,

912
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Speaker 6: and that's not even close like The Invisible Man shook me.

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00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: What I'm getting from your reaction is it feels to

914
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: me like The Invisible Man the kind of more updated

915
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: context of what it would mean to be an Invisible Man,

916
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Speaker 1: and you know, man is the important is really one

917
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: of the most important parts of that title, and what

918
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: it would mean to use those powers. I think there

919
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: was kind of like a social context to root that

920
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: reimagining to It feels like with Wolfman, they tried to

921
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: find something equally as smart and cutting and just kind

922
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: of overcooked it without leaning in too.

923
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Speaker 6: Here's what I've heard happened from the grape vine. Now,

924
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 6: a friend who went to the junk and therefore got

925
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Speaker 6: The film's production notes said that initially the creators were

926
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Speaker 6: inspired by degenerative diseases and that was what they were

927
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 6: going to lean into. The main character's mom was supposed

928
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 6: to have about with als. That's not in the film

929
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Speaker 6: at all, So it seems like they had this really

930
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 6: they felt they had a strong idea, and people either

931
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 6: reacted poorly or the studio wanted to walk it back,

932
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Speaker 6: and then the film never quite found its footing. Nothing

933
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Speaker 6: happens once they get bat Yeah.

934
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Speaker 5: Culta called it half a movie. They said that what

935
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: it feels like you there's something missing.

936
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm not gonna lie.

937
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Speaker 5: I I love and trust Lee Vinyl, especially after Invisible Man,

938
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Speaker 5: but I have to say, any kind of you know,

939
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 5: equating a devastating kind of disability, your illness with monstrosity,

940
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: has to be done very very carefully. So I probably

941
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 5: understand why that was not necessarily that they went, especially

942
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 5: when we've had quite a few incredible Alzheimer's horror movies

943
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 5: of the last few years about like how scary it

944
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 5: can be to kind of lose a connection with your

945
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 5: loved one.

946
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that's a shame.

947
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 5: I think you know, will it still make money. We'll

948
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 5: find out after this weekend.

949
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 6: It'll be interesting to see. I think the Wolfman design

950
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 6: was not great. Rosie had mentioned the other day that

951
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 6: they premiered that at the Warner Brothers Fripe that's out

952
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 6: here in La It lasted a day. People were clowning

953
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 6: it so hard. It definitely does not It feels like

954
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 6: they were trying to go for an extreme realism, which

955
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 6: again doesn't work. This is a fantasy. Lean into it

956
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 6: and make him a freaking wolf. Also say from a

957
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 6: horror perspective, which I thought that Invisible Man got so right,

958
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 6: like the creepiness, the moment that was built so well,

959
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 6: and they're completely gone here. There's just no They try

960
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 6: to set up for jump scares, but you're not terrified

961
00:51:59,040 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 6: at all.

962
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: Too dark to really see what the jump scared.

963
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 2: I think they need to make it dark to cover

964
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: up that.

965
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 3: The design.

966
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, my friend Ayah, who's just such a she's a

967
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 5: really fantastic artist, Aya Francisco. You can follow her on Instagram,

968
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 5: and uh, she went to see it and with big

969
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 5: horror fans, and she said she literally gave it one star.

970
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 5: She was like, it was so dark once they got

971
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 5: to the forest, she was like, I could not tell

972
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 5: what was going on.

973
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was meant to be getting

974
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: jump scared. I couldn't.

975
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 5: She was like, I literally missed a jump scare because

976
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 5: it was so dark.

977
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 6: Once they got I will see you missed nothing because literally,

978
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 6: character story wise, nothing happens. They're literally just running around

979
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 6: from this wolf back and forth, back and forth, back

980
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 6: and forth until the end, which is anti clomatic and silly. Uh,

981
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 6: this film struggles.

982
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 5: There is a character in this that the daughter she

983
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 5: is called Ginger played by Matilda Firth, which I love

984
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 5: a good Ginger Snap's reference, Like, come on.

985
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 6: Yes, that's great.

986
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 5: Also, I did hear there's a sore reference in there

987
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 5: that the Saw fans were loving, So I will probably

988
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 5: end up watching it for that. But yeah, yeah, shout

989
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 5: out to Bumhouse Veroly, I must see.

990
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 6: I would not. I would rather rewatch Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman,

991
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 6: which I found incredibly delightful. Yes, and see this again.

992
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 6: I would rather watch the twenty ten Wolfman over this,

993
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 6: which is saying something that that movie really irks me.

994
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 6: But I.

995
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: Movie, it's so bad, it's just what are we?

996
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 6: Emily blink again, like our girl from Julia. Julia. In

997
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 6: this film, You're like, oh, this is an actress. She

998
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 6: is doing everything she can to build an arc out

999
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 6: of nothing. She's selling me what. I don't want to

1000
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 6: be interested in this movie. She's great. Emily does the

1001
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 6: same thing in the old one. But I do think

1002
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 6: that I would rather see people try and swing for

1003
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 6: the fences like this and miss than to do a

1004
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 6: redundant thing like they really tried to modernize this like

1005
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 6: Epic War, and I think that their approach was it

1006
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 6: was just a miss. So I don't know Shade till

1007
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 6: I think great. Looking forward to your next film, uh Universal,

1008
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 6: I still believe in these monsters. I know you can

1009
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 6: kind of revive them minutes.

1010
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 11: You can do it, you you we believe in It's

1011
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 11: gonna be something totally random and unexpected, like there was

1012
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 11: when the After the Invisible Man, there were all these

1013
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 11: cool movies that got picked up that kind of died

1014
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 11: during pandemic times, including The Kring Casama.

1015
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 5: I believe it was going to be like a Western

1016
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 5: Dracula movie set in the future, and I'm like, please

1017
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 5: make that movie, guys, like that's what we need.

1018
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: Well in the next episode of x ray Vision. This Thursday,

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Speaker 1: We're concluding our look at Doing Prophecy with the Master

1020
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Speaker 1: of the Prophecy himself, Aboo, to take you through all

1021
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: the lore and all the ins and outs of the

1022
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: of the unique Season one of Doing Prophecy on Maxiden.

1023
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Speaker 1: On Saturday, we'll take a look at the week's biggest headlines.

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00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode, as.

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Speaker 6: Sing Bye Bye.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 5: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Faye wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 5: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 5: Heidi our discord moderator.