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Speaker 1: hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for

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Speaker 1: we got a lot to cover today. Uh the honest

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Speaker 1: You would know if you listen to uh um Are

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Speaker 1: Close Calls series, he tells the tremendous the mud Puddle

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Speaker 1: way closer to that, Mike. I guess I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: There you go. Well, we'll get to you in greater

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Speaker 1: Paul Lewis from f HF. This is the first time

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Speaker 1: You look familiar over here with those headphones. Ve never

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Speaker 1: been in You've never done it before? Sure, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You send Rick down here now, and

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Speaker 1: then yeah, Rick comes down a lot. Rick Hutton. So

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Speaker 1: When you're packing boxes like production equipment, you use acronym acronyms.

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Speaker 1: So in the ZBZ offices in the old days we

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Speaker 1: The Floods calendar is the funked up old deer stands

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424
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Speaker 1: you're you're sort of butchering a French word bow. It's

425
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: like bow bo I asked d hyphen A r c

426
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: here looked us up. Look tell me what looked us up.

427
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: I've seen it spelled that way because it didn't, didn't Boone?

428
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: When Boone moved to Missouri, didn't he live right now?

429
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: On like the boat dark river? Why dark the common name?

430
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: It's French from bow. Would I told you so? I said, right,

431
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: bad Art, you knelled it would of the ark? Yeah,

432
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: like like a boat or the flight of an arrow.

433
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 1: That's good man. These turkey calls are getting cooler by

434
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: the minute. Broughty brought Broughty do the book report Forest

435
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: about the uh, what's going on? The latest, the latest

436
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: twist and turn on on what America loves to call

437
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: Yellowstoness wolves. Yeah, I like to call Wyoming's in Montana's wolves.

438
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about them, but you can't talk about

439
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: them without talking about what's going on in a couple

440
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: other states too. But anyway, late September, uh, northern border

441
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: of Yellowstone Park, so just south of here a little ways,

442
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: three wolves from Montana's from Yellowstones Junction, butte pack got

443
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: killed on private land, um, which hit the news. It

444
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: was two female pups and one female yearling. Um. So

445
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, people were kind of up in arms when

446
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: the news hit about it that some of Yellowstones wolves

447
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: got killed because the junction Buttepack is uh the most

448
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: viewed wolf pack in the world, and they only spent

449
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: about five two probably the other the other ones in

450
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: the park. Um. But they they then right next to

451
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: like a major road, so they're like seeing all that time. Yeah.

452
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: If you ever drive through the park and all those

453
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: people standing up around uh Lamar Valley standing around there, Yeah,

454
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: that's what That's what they're trying to get a gander at.

455
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: So but you know, wolves don't know there's a border there,

456
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: some line drawn on a map. So they spend about

457
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: five percent of their time outside the park, usually in

458
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: late fall. And uh until recently that part of Montana, UH,

459
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: the the state Fishing Game Agency limited the number of

460
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: wolves that were taken from that area adjacent to the

461
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: park's and northern boundary. But they recently changed the rags,

462
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: loosen them up, UM and lifted restrictions on the number

463
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: of wolves that can be taken there. And H part

464
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: of those loosening of restriction changing of regulations was authorizing

465
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: baiting from private property. But you know what you can bait.

466
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: I just said this big argument yesterday because I thought

467
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: I had I thought, I came up with like a

468
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: secret idea. You can you can bait on public. You

469
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: can bait wolves on public. You can't night hunt or

470
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: use thermal vision to hunt wolves after dark on public.

471
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: It's in the rags. I'm not doubting you, but I'm

472
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: just I ran around. I read this thing that you're

473
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: talking about, and I ran around. First off, that had

474
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: a genius idea occurred to me when I'm not being

475
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: that genius, because I thought it was like only private

476
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: land baiting, which you mean basically, take could you find

477
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: a deer to get hit on the side of the

478
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: road and drag it out and into a good spot

479
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: and sit there. Uh. And when I thought it was

480
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: private only, a light bulb went off in my head.

481
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: But then uh, Garrett Long pointed out in the actual

482
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: rag you can bait public or private. You cannot night

483
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: hunt on public. Can. I think probably the reason the

484
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: private property thing came up is, uh, about a third

485
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: of that northern boundary of Yellowstone borders private property, and

486
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: these wolves were shot on private property. I'm assuming they

487
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: were baited across the border where which maybe where they

488
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: chasing livestock. You know, they were shot by hunters. It

489
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: was you know, the wolf season had opened and they

490
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: were shot by hunters. Um As as angry as some

491
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: people got about this, it was all completely legal, right, nothing,

492
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: no laws were violated. Um And I think what a

493
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: lot of people forget is, you know, there's twenty seven

494
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: wolves in that pack. Yeah, there's only twenty four now.

495
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: But if they're managed as a renewable resource, those those

496
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: three are going to get replaced, even though you know,

497
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: some people think it's the end of the world for

498
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: you know what the number one cause of death is

499
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: for wolves. The number one cause of death is that

500
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: a wolf gets killed by wolf. Yeah, yeah, how much

501
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I forget what she said now, her name's uh, Diane,

502
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: Diane Boyd Right. How much? What percentage of the population

503
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: dies off every year? It was a lot. So like

504
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: if there was a hundred wolves in the yellow Stone

505
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: Greater ecosystem, it would go down to something like fifty

506
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: and then the next year and then the next year

507
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: be back up to a does that every single year?

508
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: And I think if this hadn't been wolves from that junction,

509
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: beaute pack, they're just wolves from the middle of Montana somewhere,

510
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, it would have never made the news, but

511
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: the media is pretty focused on Montana and Idaho's war

512
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: on wolves these days. Yeah, and then there's the reporting

513
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: problem that happens in the news all the time that

514
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I think is they're always using like, no matter where

515
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: it happens, it's always yellow Stones wolves. So there was

516
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: a story where our governor um killed the wolf, and

517
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: I look at the headline, it's like Montana's governor kills

518
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: Yellowstone wolf. I was like, that's so weird that our

519
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: governor would go into Yellowstone and kill but lo and behold,

520
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, it was in Montana. There's no fences.

521
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: He did kill one. Yelso's you could say he killed

522
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: the Montana wolf. But they This is why this is

523
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: this is partly fueling my thing where part of my

524
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: life goal um is to get Yellowstone turned into a

525
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: desert to a wilderness area like rip out, all the infrastructure,

526
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: leave the highway is in place, it becomes a wilderness

527
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: area that will give it enhanced protection, no motorized use.

528
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: It's more protected. And then while the management goes to Montana,

529
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: whelming you can have a raffle for the Yellowstone supertag

530
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: go get them all like ten super tags, and it's

531
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: like more protected, more pristine, less human involvement, restore human

532
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: predators to the landscape. It's like better for everybody. It

533
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: will never happen, Steven, You're gonna have torat a way

534
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: to replace those tourist dollars that are gonna be cut

535
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: out super tag lottery. I think that will do it,

536
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: So I got to think on it. Over in Idaho,

537
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: the Department of Fishing Game entered into an agreement with

538
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: a nonprofit hunting group to reimburse hunters for the expense

539
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: of a proven wolf kill holdment. What now, well, they're

540
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: calling it a reimbursement program. Oh okay, I'm reading that

541
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: as bounty on wolves, which you know whatever. Um. The

542
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Foundation for Wildlife Management is a hunting group that describes

543
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: its mission as protecting deer and elk. So they coughed

544
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: up two under grand to reimburse hunters for the expenses

545
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: they incur while killing wolves. UM, two thousands you to

546
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: turn in receipts. I'm assuming you got to bring a

547
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: dead wolf. I don't know, but they have like here

548
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: you go, two thousand per wolf and hunting units where

549
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: fishing games as predators are keeping elk below objectives a

550
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: thousand per wolf in the northern tip of the state

551
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: and five hundred elsewhere. So this is getting attention is

552
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: last wasn't It wasn't even last year when it was

553
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: like i'd ho was killing of their wolves, which wasn't

554
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, even close to the whole whole story. Um.

555
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people that are irritated about this, uh,

556
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: this bounty system they got going on. They're not calling

557
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: it a bounty, No, it's like an expense reimbursement brom huh.

558
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they're like that's got to be intentional

559
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: that they're not. So they've got two grand, they're gonna

560
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: dish it out in two thousand dollar increments two thousand,

561
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: a thousand, or five hundred, depending on, yeah, where it is.

562
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: But you know, like bounties don't usually work well for

563
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: like coyotes and smaller predators. But I could see that

564
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: that kind of money motivating some wolf unders. That's really interesting.

565
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: I can see why people will be a little that's

566
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: like a hard one on optics, man. Yeah, yeah, that's

567
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: a hard one to manage right there. Well, once you

568
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: put a dollar sign out there, then you have some

569
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: motivation for an unethical behavior. Yeah, that's right. I can

570
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: see it triggering it. Yeah. Yeah, because you see guys

571
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: who mess with coyote bounties by like bringing them from

572
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: other areas, other states, you know whatever. Yeah, I get

573
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I get what they're getting at it. I gotta I

574
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: gotta think about it. I gotta sleep on that one.

575
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: I knew that that was I knew that that I

576
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: knew heard of that happening. I come here if I

577
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: heard it in the Idaho Panhandle or something, or maybe

578
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: Diane Boyd was talking about that program. That's a tricky one. Yeah,

579
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: I get it, but I I just I'm trying to

580
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: think about how to how to market that one, how

581
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: to how to sell that one. So then finally over

582
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, I'm sure everyone remembers last year, they had

583
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: their first wolf hunt in a while. The quota was

584
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: a hundred nineteen wolves, and they exceeded that by about

585
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: a hundred wolves and a couple of days, I think

586
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: it was. It's very quickly and the and the hunt

587
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: got shut down. Um this year, there's a citizen panel

588
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: that recommends h quotas for game animals, and that citizens

589
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: panel recommended three hundred wolves this year. The d NR

590
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: didn't listen to them and went with one thirty UM,

591
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: which you I'd assume that they're thinking they had to

592
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: react to what happened last year and avoid over harvest UM.

593
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: And something I learned that that I did not know

594
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: is half of those tags go to the Jibwe tribe

595
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: and which and the and they have historically chosen not

596
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: to use those tags. So essentially there's gonna be sixty

597
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: five tags available to hunters this year. You know that

598
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: that that resource split is something you see around the

599
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: country on different wildlife issues. Like when I was living

600
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 1: in Washington, we would do a lot of clam dig

601
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: and and they would have on some of those beaches

602
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: on the Olympic Peninsula, there'd be a there'd be a

603
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: biological assessment that was done in tandem between the tribes

604
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: and the state, and they would do, like let's say

605
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: they're looking at razor clams. They would agree on a

606
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: razor clam abundance, right, they didn't agree on like what

607
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: total harvest should look like. And then they whatever that

608
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: total harvest should look like for the year, they just

609
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: split it fift so went to the tribes and the

610
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: tribes could conduct their own thing, do commercial digs whatever,

611
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: they had their end of it, and then the state

612
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: would deal with their half. However, they dealt with their

613
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: half through you know, recreational clam digging. So like that,

614
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: that concept of doing a tribal state resource split. But

615
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: it does get a little skewed when it's gonna go unused.

616
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: But if it goes unused, then you imagine the next

617
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: year's recommended that the next years recommended harvest might be higher. Yeah,

618
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: and interestingly, the a Jibware currently suing the federal or

619
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: there let's see, yeah, federal lawsuit to cancel the wolf

620
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Fund altogether, arguing it violates their treaty rights. Um, they

621
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: don't harvest wolves because they view them as family. But

622
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: they also believe that Wisconsin failed to use sound biological

623
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: principles in the past. You know, when setting these quotas,

624
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: We'll see where that goes. It's a tricky one all around, man,

625
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: because the minute you start talking about how you believe

626
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: in wolf harvest, people think you're anti wolf. I'm like anything,

627
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: but anti wolf. Like I don't think I don't like us, uh,

628
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: just me speaking personally. I don't think that humans are

629
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: really in a position to decide that certain wildlife species

630
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: should be like eliminated from the earth. That's like a

631
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: level you know, we have I think a moral ethical

632
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: responsibility to keep native wildlife on the ground, but I

633
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: also think that they should be manage and hunt for.

634
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: I agree, and and like, if if the last decade

635
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: or longer has taught us anything, is that you can

636
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: absolutely have wolf hunting and wolves. Because we've got wolf

637
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: hunting now for years, and we got more wolves than

638
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: we have when we started. So you will fun plan,

639
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: don't you know? You Oh, just messing around. Yeah, I

640
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: got well, I got a couple of irons in the

641
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: fire them the new snowmobiles burned, burned a hole in

642
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: my pocket. Oh yeah that Um no, we got a couple. Yeah,

643
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: But I gotta I gotta make a couple of phone

644
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: calls and the people I've been very interested, uh and

645
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: predator calling four of them, h which is a little

646
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: bit tricky. There's these I don't want to see what

647
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: these boys are doing because I haven't like tested it

648
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: myself yet. There's an emerging strategy. I've been catching windows.

649
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: This is unredated. When I thought I had that little

650
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: break through his road kill deer. But I haven't done that. Uh, alright,

651
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: So continuing on with continuing on with the I think

652
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: we've been exploring lately, which is fisherman harrassment, Which how's

653
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: that even the thing? But like hunter har askedment, I get,

654
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, like whatever you're out duck hunting, some person

655
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: comes out freaking out on you. But fisherman harassment is

656
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: we We've got a lot of stories for listeners about

657
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: being out fishing and having dock owners come out and

658
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: try to scare the fish away from their dock area,

659
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: scared fishing her ass, shoot garden hoses at fishermen and

660
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: whatever you can do to like ruin their fishing, which

661
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: is illegal. But this one came in from Acosta County,

662
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: and uh that that holds a special place in my

663
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: heart because I grew up south of there and I

664
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: used to Uh, I used to trap in Mosquegon County,

665
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Diego County, but then for a bunch of years in December,

666
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: late December January, we would trap up in Macosta County.

667
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: So we go up to Macosta County and trap through

668
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: the ice for beaver and muskrats. Now it's kind of

669
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: like the highlight of the trap and you I used

670
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: to love hanging out up there. Um, and these guys

671
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: run into They've had this, uh a lot of encounters

672
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: with an anti angler. What's the world coming to it?

673
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: Was the anti angler. He would uh used to go

674
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: down and if you tried to fish his docks. So

675
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: if you're going along and you're pitching jigs under his dock,

676
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: this dude to run out yell at you. But recently,

677
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: this guy is out doing yard work and you had

678
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: one of those backpack leaf floors, like a like a

679
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: leaf flower strtus back and as they're coming by trolling,

680
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: he runs down to his dock and starts leaf blowing

681
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: the water, blowing the water every which way in the

682
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: effort to spook off fish. Um. So this is interesting.

683
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: We have two uh, two law enforcements. Forward, I should

684
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: I should call you guys are law enforcement who can

685
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: speak freely because you're a former correct, So now you

686
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: can tell people what you really think. So Paul was

687
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: a former regular policeman, sheriff's deputy, sheriff steputy. That's not

688
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: a regular policeman, I mean, not a game ward, not

689
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: a game warden. Correct. Sheriff's deputy. Yeah, and Sam was

690
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: an Arizona game warden. Correct. So I want to ask

691
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: each you guys, you get a call from an angler

692
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: who says, I'm out fishing right now, and I'm coming

693
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: by a dock and there's a man blowing his leaf

694
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: blower around in the water to scare fish away. Um,

695
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: do you like turn the sirens on and race over?

696
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: Like what would be your attitude? Yeah, there's certainly no sirens.

697
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: Uh my, my first thought would be to call the

698
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: game warden because it's obviously uh wildlife related. Yeah, because

699
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: in Montana, at least, you know, we've got a whole

700
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: set of rules that fit under game laws. If they

701
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: weren't available, it would be just under normal laws, would

702
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: be disorderly conduct, which everybody calls disturbing the peace and

703
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: kind of the catch all, or you might you might

704
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: get a disturbing the peace type situation going potentially, Yeah,

705
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: that would be the that would be where it would

706
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: fall under in Montana if it if the game warden

707
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: wasn't there to write wildlife ticket. Yeah, And that was

708
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: often the case where the local sheriffs or police department

709
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: would get ahold of us when it was a wildlife

710
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: related thing, and vice versa. When we got into drugs

711
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: and drunk drivers, we got ahold of you guys. I

712
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: didn't want to deal with it. The first thing it

713
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: hits me is, you know, is there any way I

714
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: could deescalate that thing. Sometimes these people out trying to harass,

715
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: whether you're a hunter and angler, want the publicity out

716
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: of it and make a big issue out of it.

717
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: And in fact we had when you're saying, the harasser

718
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: wants broader attention, wants the attention. And the next thing,

719
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, next weekend there's three people out with leaf blowers.

720
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: They started movement. Yeah that's the leaf blowing program. But yeah,

721
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: I would if I received that call. There's nothing on

722
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: the books from a game and fish at that point

723
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: dealing with harassing anglers. It was literally hunters and hunter

724
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: harassment um, which which we did find many many times

725
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: where they just sought publicity. They just wanted officers to

726
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: show up and and make their case and it was

727
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: on the news, and so you de escalate it. So

728
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: that's what I would have certainly done in this case.

729
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: What does walk me through it? What does that wind

730
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: up looking like? Well, I probably get ahold of in

731
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: how many geese did you shoot? And so if I

732
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: got a call, obviously there was a person that called

733
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: the dispatch, and I would get in touch with them

734
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: and see if I can meet them, and go all right,

735
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: here's this guy. He doesn't want you. You don't want

736
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: to meet with the fisherman? Yeah? Yeah, And I mean

737
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: there's this whole agg here. This guy obviously doesn't watch

738
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: you out here. The more you make an issue out

739
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: of this, the more likely he's probably going to get

740
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: somebody's doing it too. Just back out of there, really, Yeah,

741
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: And then i'd probably go talk to the guy. Okay, Okay,

742
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: I just say, come on here, let's try to reach

743
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: some kind of a balance. Why are you doing this? Well,

744
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: every time I go down there and try to read

745
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: my book, here's some guy and one time he almost

746
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: hooked me in the air. Okay, I can understand that,

747
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, And but let's think of some other options.

748
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: You know, this guy had a kid with him, he

749
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: wanted to introduce him to fishing, and how his whole

750
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: day was Ruined's let's talk it out. Yeah, no tickets, Yeah,

751
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: I'd agree with that therapy session. That's what you know

752
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: you feel better already in readings saying so we're gonna

753
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: talk more about Sam's book. Sam's book is our stories

754
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: of the past in Arizona game range of remembering the outlaws,

755
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: and the thing that strut me most in the book

756
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: is you aren't. Um. You don't wake up in the

757
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: morning wanting to bust someone's balls. Only a few people

758
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: that was generally like a generally lenient Yeah, no, lenienst

759
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: the right word. Um, like you, uh you didn't, you know,

760
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: you don't seem to have real acts to grind well,

761
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I think I told career. You

762
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: know these people that uh, well well, let's just say this.

763
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: For those of us that are actively involved with hunting

764
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: and angling, I mean almost avid, and that means greedy.

765
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: If you haven't violated a game and fish regulation, I'd

766
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: be surprised. And so mistakes happen all the time. And

767
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: you look at the people out there. Of them are

768
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: are good, you know, conservationist, enjoying recreation and passing on

769
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: a tradition, and accidents happen. Certainly you recognize those kinds

770
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: of cases and walk into it gently. But the real

771
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: bad guys, darn right, I stayed awake at night. I

772
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: wanted those guys and I was going to put them

773
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: out of business. Uh, some of those stories are in there.

774
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: Can I get squeezing? A follow up siren question? Oh? Yeah?

775
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: How how how civilians use it to mean the lights? No? No,

776
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: go ahead? No different? So everybody's seen it. I think

777
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: when you're driving along and all of a sudden, like uh,

778
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: some sort of law enforcement officers next to you, and

779
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: lights come on and they buzz down whatever X road

780
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: or highway for seemingly a shorter distance, and then the

781
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: lights go off, and then he just continue about that happens.

782
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: That happens all the time. That's what I think is

783
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: going on. Okay, please, I think that they got an

784
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: emergency call and then someone called sit there mind. Okay,

785
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: that's that's a he is like, I gotta get home

786
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: real quick because I gotta go number two. See. Is

787
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: I gotta another errand to run? Or indeed, is I

788
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: have this power? I'm just gonna like a little bit.

789
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: Why do you do that? I'd say, sometimes all of

790
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: the above could be true. That's a diplomatic answer. I've seen.

791
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: I've seen guys, you know, after leaving I don't know

792
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: the taco joint. You're like, I need to get back

793
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: to the office right now, um and uh and and

794
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: use the old lights and siren. Yeah. I mean that's

795
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: usually night shift thing, but the more often than not,

796
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: it's something that is like an emergent call but not

797
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: necessarily worth risking anything for. And you just catch a

798
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: red light and you're like, man, I'm gonna sit here

799
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: for five minutes or I'm gonna get through this one

800
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: and keep rolling. That's probably the most common instead of

801
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: causing all the chaos of going down the street. Yeah,

802
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: because you know how hard it is that drive, even

803
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: through Bozeman, much less a big city, um in rush

804
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: hour traffic, and you just sit there for hours. And

805
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: so sometimes a call comes up that you're like, man,

806
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: I just you know, I could be there and in

807
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: well in Gallanton County and be there in ten minutes,

808
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna not be three blocks yet in ten minutes.

809
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: So you get through it, just kind of get through

810
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: the the cluster and move on. We should do a

811
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: whole we should do a show like a weekly show

812
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: called Ask a Cop and get a whole panel of

813
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: cops and you ask them like why do you guys

814
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: always you know, I know a couple. Did you ever

815
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: get involved with any um montannas stream acts like access law? Yeah, yeah,

816
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: there's there's. Because I'm obviously worked in this area, I

817
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: have to be careful who I talked about. But the

818
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: um you know, there's several landowners I'm reading between the

819
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: lines on that one nearby here, um nearby, you know

820
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: in Bozeman, being a big fishing community has got you know,

821
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: just loads of people parked all the way down around

822
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: all the bridges, and we have guys who have you know,

823
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: cameras out ready to you know, if you take one

824
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: step above high water mark there they have motion activated

825
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: cameras and alarms on their phones and they're calling and

826
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: they want everybody sided. And it's typically I'm sure Sam

827
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: can can relate, and then it's typically spurred on by

828
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: somebody and you know some fishermen with bad behavior causing

829
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: them to get a burn unto their saddle about it.

830
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: But we've had cases where you know, bridges, there's not

831
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: really great parking areas, and we suspect the landowners who

832
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: typically would call every day with with fishing or you know,

833
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: access issues. Those are the bridges. We would show up

834
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: and there'd be you know, create a nails spread around

835
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: in the ditch, so everybody who parked ended up with

836
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: flat tires and limited the numbers of people who would

837
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: go out there and try and park in the ditch.

838
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, we dealt with it fairly often. And then

839
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times. You know, I had

840
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: a guy who he's a young college kid. He was

841
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing. There was a bank

842
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: in the river that he couldn't stay in without swimming,

843
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: and he was outside of the bank. Now maybe it

844
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: was just a couple of feet he had to he

845
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: had to go around a rock to get around, and

846
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: he came. You know, the guy had the motion activated

847
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: alarm on his phone, had the recording by the time

848
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: I got there, and everything on camera, and said, I

849
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: don't care he was trespassing. I want him sighted. And

850
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: he's dealt with it enough that he just he he

851
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: hasn't signed very well. The guy. You know, if he

852
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: had known the law, I'm sure probably would have avoided

853
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: that whole side of the river. But yeah, written a

854
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: few tickets that I've almost like I needed to apologize for.

855
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna wear kid's gonna wear that river bank out well,

856
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, good for nothing anymore. After he comes walking through.

857
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: Uh oh, guy wrote in here's another like, this is

858
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: an access question. So he's talking about legally accessing landlocked

859
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: public land. This is this is a good topic of discussion. UM.

860
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: Landlocked public land is like where you have state or

861
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: federal land and it's surrounded on all sides by private land.

862
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: There's no public access road cutting through it, which makes

863
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: it sort of like de facto private land. Um. More

864
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: and more people are using helicopters to access that stuff

865
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: if the land management agency that holds the land allows

866
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: you to land a helicopter on it. But this guy's wondering, Um,

867
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: why can't you parachute onto the land? I see, of

868
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: course you can extraction, just throw a military term at

869
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: it becomes an issue. But remember that John Wayne movie

870
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Green Brays and they caught that like high profile target

871
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: and green and a cook that dude to those balloons,

872
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: and that plane came by and hits the string and

873
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: pulls the guy into the back of the plane. You

874
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: gotta get a rig like that in a long time.

875
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so you can parachute in I don't know

876
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: how you can get out of there. Yeah, I think

877
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: you gotta hire that helicopter short haul your way out

878
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: of there with a long line. If you can't land, yeah,

879
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: or if you're just moving there, I guess you could

880
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: parachute in. And what's what's the attentionve? What do you after?

881
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: You hunting or fishing? Uh? He does? I'm assuming he

882
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: saw about honey he wants to go hunt it. So yeah,

883
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: I guess good after it and then have a pickup.

884
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna get into this a little bit,

885
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: this parachuting on the places. I just get to figure

886
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: out how to get out. That's a good idea. It's

887
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: a great question. But yeah, I don't see, and it

888
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: would because a lot of stuff you can't because you

889
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: cannot land the aircraft on it. But there's no thing

890
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: with you just landing there in your boot. But you

891
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: still gotta get picked up. Can't you jump out of

892
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: a helicopter? You know that? That's another good question. I'm

893
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: guessing there's some like if you're if you go on

894
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: unlet's see, you're going on to a part of a

895
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: land agency that says no landing helicopters. I wonder how

896
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: they view. I'm sure we can get a concrete answer

897
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: to this. What what the airspace implication is? Because you're

898
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be like cute and have it be that

899
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: the helicopter never touched and you just hopped off. I'm

900
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: guessing that they're gonna there's a point at which they're

901
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna not really care about how clever you are that

902
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: it's like it didn't actually touch. Yeah, I did that

903
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: watch and I forgot to take my helmet off with

904
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: the mike oh jumping off the skid and right at

905
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: the end, I remembered I still had that help. That

906
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: would have been stupid. Um. Yeah, that's a great question, man,

907
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting to think about. And uh yeah, no,

908
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how it would go,

909
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: Like just to jumping out of a helicopter, I'm guessing

910
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: that you have to stay that that thing has to

911
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: stay a certain distance above what does it? Like parks

912
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: have it right, like National parks You fly helicopter over park,

913
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: but you have to do a ceiling and you can't

914
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: go on even shoot video or you know whatever commercial

915
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: pictures in the wilderness out of a helicopter. You cannot

916
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh really really. I just remember that because a guy gosh,

917
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: I think it was this guy named Chris Davenport, a

918
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: skier that skied all in Colorado's fourteeners and he had

919
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of images and I think video that was

920
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: or he had maybe even done some accessing through helicopter.

921
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what by know that they shut

922
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: him down for the helicopters use stuff. We had an

923
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: interesting thing coming into uh. Last note, A guy was

924
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: a guy named Gilbert. That's probably first dude named Gilbert

925
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: right us. Guy named Gilbert road In. He's hunting in

926
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: Illinois this weekend and discovered an interesting regulation. This is

927
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: a quote road to kill deer may only be claimed

928
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: by those individuals who are residents of Illinois and are

929
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: not delinquent in child support payments. Very specific. I think Sam,

930
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: you'll be able to speak to this. But isn't it

931
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: true that in a lot of states you can't hunt

932
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: and fish and have a hunting license and fishing license

933
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: if you're delinquent? I believe so. I think it's getting

934
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: more and more. When we used to sell fishing licenses,

935
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: there's a question on you. Are you delinquent? You have

936
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: to be a citizen Illinois. So the driver a driver

937
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: hits a deer, the driver says, I don't want the deer.

938
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: The next guy in line can't be from Wisconsin. He's

939
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: gonna be from Illinois, and he's got to be up

940
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: on his child support. Good. He could be like, well,

941
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: I murdered some people, but I'm cool on child support

942
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: and be like, well, go ahead, or at least he's

943
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: getting a process and delivering it to his child. Yeah,

944
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: maybe he's like, no, no, no, you don't get it, man,

945
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm giving the deer too much. Cut your break here,

946
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: all right, bumping down, I'm gonna talk more about Paul Louis. Paulows,

947
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: you're cool with me dropping that motor off? Right? Yeah,

948
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: I have had it. We gotta show roomy. You can

949
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: fill up as much as you want. Just put stuff

950
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: in there and leave it there. It's like a big

951
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: storage in it for you, you know you. So here's

952
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: the thing I wanted to one of the things I

953
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 1: want to talk about. So Paul is the founder f HF.

954
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: So when you see us on the show running around

955
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: with um a vinyl harness m that's an f HF

956
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: binal harness. I first I don't know if I've ever

957
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: even told you the story. I first my late friend

958
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: Eric Kern, who died years ago. Now I remember he

959
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: was the first person that made me wear of your

960
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: products a long time ago. Yeah, and yeah, back then

961
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: I was doing basically all custom stuff. And uh yeah,

962
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember I got asked the question before how

963
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: how that first interaction happened. I don't, like I remember

964
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: getting an email from Joe Rogan, who was introduced to

965
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: it through you guys, but I don't. I think I

966
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: got a random phone call from which I don't answer

967
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: a lot of phone calls. I don't know the number for.

968
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: There's a Bozeman numbers. I answered it, you know, for me,

969
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: it's like, hey is Steven Ronella. I'm like, you're bullshit. Um,

970
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: I think that's how it was there it was. It

971
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: might have been an email and and yeah, so we

972
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: as I made you a couple of custom ones early on.

973
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: And uh, because you were a stitching vinyal harnesses that

974
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: just on your free time as a a cop. Yeah yeah,

975
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: I was sidegig trying to make a little extra money,

976
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I started doing custom work. Uh, like

977
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: I said, kind of a hobby and then and just

978
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: to pay the bills, and and kind of caught on

979
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: being in Bozeman. I was doing a lot of tactical

980
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: gear initially, you know, first SWAT team buddies, and then

981
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, had kind of involved in some online forums.

982
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: You know that we're doing tactical gear stuff, and but

983
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: being Ambozement, Oh my hunting buddies. And then there's a

984
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: couple out or jobs in Bozeman, so there's a few

985
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: people that hunt around here, and that is sort of

986
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 1: what took off. Were Yeah, when you were out doing

987
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: uh all your police duties, were ever wearing your own

988
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: accessories that you made for yourself, not on patrol. But

989
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: originally when I first started, actually that's that's actually how

990
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: I started. As I was too cheap to buy something

991
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: because I was on our swat team as well, and

992
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, we have a part time team, and I

993
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: was too cheap to buy something and figured I could

994
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: make it, so um, and that led to making stuff

995
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: for teammates. And I there's one guy at work. His

996
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: nickname for me was either zippers or pockets or something,

997
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: because I always had if I needed a something, put

998
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: something in a pocket. I'd make a pouch for it.

999
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: Did you always have a sewing machine kicking? That's the

1000
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: same question. No, I I took seventh grade home eck

1001
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: and I made a Fannie pack. Yeah, I did too,

1002
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: and uh those were cool in the eighties or nineties, right, Yeah,

1003
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: I skateboarded all around Councilzoo, Michigan wearing that thing, and

1004
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I Uh I had been able. I had

1005
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: just enough skill. I felt like to, you know, repair

1006
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: something if I had to, And uh, my wife had

1007
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: a sewing machine, and so I figured I could make

1008
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: this thing that I was too cheap to buy. And

1009
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: that just led me to buying more materials and more

1010
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: machinery and more of everything. And it just kind of

1011
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, you got to be a real confident

1012
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: in your masculinity. When yeah, it helps that I sell

1013
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: camouflage things rather than lacey things. You still feel like

1014
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: you still feel manly, right, yeah, try to and it's

1015
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 1: like ballistic nylon, right, but it's like curting you both,

1016
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, very manly individuals. But there's like there's a

1017
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: point where I think a lot of people are like, yeah,

1018
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm not messing with the soule machine. It's just too dainty. Yeah,

1019
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: my wife has one. I don't want to be a seamstress.

1020
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: And we got you know, I got that from guys

1021
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: I worked with, like oh yeah, you know, giving me

1022
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: that snicker and you're selling again. But you know, when

1023
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: I really occurred to me if I would, I wish

1024
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: I could have a soul machine and knew how to

1025
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: use it. Mad be selling all kinds of jump. Yeah,

1026
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: well that tune change. You know, you start making more

1027
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: money on your side, um, than your main job than

1028
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,919
Speaker 1: they're like, wait a minute, maybe it is worth doing.

1029
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: So you uh, how did it be that you went

1030
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: to school for wildlife management way back in the day. Well,

1031
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: it's I had I was going to be a game

1032
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: biologist and you want yeah, that's where I was aiming.

1033
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: And then yeah, my junior year and in college, after

1034
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: spending all this time and money on classes, they came

1035
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: in and said, you will never get a job as

1036
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: a biologist, so find something else that you specifically at

1037
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 1: the time, And it was a no. It was a big,

1038
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: full on classroom. They came in and said, you know,

1039
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: here's all of your chances of getting a job as

1040
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: a biologist, even with a PhD. It was slim to none.

1041
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: And I had been doing some internship work, um with

1042
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: like student security and and m s U. Like I

1043
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: dispatch for m s U p D just because it

1044
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: was usually pretty slow and I get a lot of

1045
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: study and done at night. And but I got to

1046
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: know those guys had some interest in enforcement. And then, um,

1047
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: when I realized that being a biologist was going to

1048
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: be a lot of work, and you know, I had

1049
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: this plan to be able to travel around and be

1050
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: a a tech and take side you know, short short

1051
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: term jobs all over the country and do studies and

1052
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: realized that probably wasn't gonna work as a an adult

1053
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: trying to be trying to you know, be responsible. So uh,

1054
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: one of the game wardens came in and gave a

1055
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: talk in the same class and said, you know, we're hiring,

1056
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: and you know, we give you a truck and a

1057
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: four wheeler and horses, and you know you can be

1058
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: outside all day and and you don't need more than

1059
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: a bachelor's degree in a related field. And I was like,

1060
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what I might look at. So

1061
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: so I started aiming for that direction. But um, you know,

1062
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: did internships with the wardens here, worked in the Wildlife Lab.

1063
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: Did you know? That's when right when I graduated college,

1064
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: I end up taking a job as a security officer

1065
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: up on the Flying d and thinking that was as

1066
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: close as I could get to UH job experience, and um,

1067
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: when I graduated, they did a hiring freeze here and

1068
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: weren't hiring any wardens. So I took the written test,

1069
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: which happened to me. I was on search and rescue,

1070
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: a volunteer for search and rescue with the Sheriff's office,

1071
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: and they were hiring. They take the same written tests,

1072
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: the police standard police test, and I applied really just

1073
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: canda to see how I would do on the test,

1074
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: and they ended up hiring me. And I realized they

1075
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: at the time at least paid better than the state.

1076
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: They got to stay in Bozeman and still getting shipped

1077
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: to who knows where in Montana, and it's a lot

1078
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: easier to get time off during hunting season when you're

1079
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: not a game warden. So that's uh, that's what I did.

1080
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: How many years have you spend on that, uh with

1081
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office? I did my full twenty retired with twenty

1082
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: year retirement. I got a friend I don't I don't

1083
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: want to see what town he's in. But I got

1084
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: a friend who grew up in a town um and

1085
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: did all the bunch of professional things around construction, and

1086
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: then I guess, probably late in life for police work,

1087
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: but late in life went to academy and became a

1088
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: city policeman in his hometown, and it radically transformed his

1089
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: idea of the town that he lived in. Where he

1090
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: said he had no idea. Yeah, and I had no idea.

1091
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: That's true here. I didn't grow up here. I mean

1092
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: I went to college here. But I think for the

1093
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: most part, people are you know, Bosman is a nice

1094
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: place to live, but you know, we as law enforcement

1095
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: and there you certainly stay busy, and there's a lot

1096
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: more going on here than people realize. Yeah, he was

1097
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: astounded by the child abuse, the spouse abuse. It's like,

1098
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: how do you live your whole life somewhere and have

1099
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: like an impression of it, and then you get a

1100
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: look under the you know, and and and you look

1101
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: onto the covers, and he's like, it just mortified him.

1102
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: It changes you're outlooking. I worked six years straight at

1103
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: night shift and you aren't dealing with your general population

1104
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: three in the morning. Um, you're you just you're seeing

1105
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: people at their worst. You know, even if they're good people,

1106
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: they aren't. You know, it's not normal to be having

1107
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: one on one dealings with the police at three in

1108
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: the morning, and so your outlook on life sort of changes.

1109
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: And that's when I started this side gig. It was

1110
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: one of those things that really helped me kind of realize,

1111
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, it's hesitant to meet people

1112
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: customers having gear built. You know, I'm like, I'll meet

1113
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 1: you in a parking lot somewhere and I'm not gonna

1114
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: tell you where I live. Yeah, I my only friends

1115
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: were other cops, and you know, night shift cops because

1116
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, we had our barbecues at seven in the

1117
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: morning instead of normal times. And uh, um it uh.

1118
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: Having this side gig come up really kind of helped

1119
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: me realize that there were still decent people in the world,

1120
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: and especially hunters and anglers as a general rule, is

1121
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of much better people than I was used to

1122
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: dealing with. When you when you started building FHF, did

1123
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: you uh did you get like a guilty conscience that

1124
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: you had that you weren't like hunter? You know, I

1125
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: guess you still aren't you're still doing your shift. But

1126
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean, did you feel bad like you were betraying

1127
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: your occupation or something? Um, in what way? What do

1128
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: you mean, like like that you had another love, right? Um?

1129
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: Not really. I mean I was able to kind of balance,

1130
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I ended up. I was in

1131
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: charge of our detective division, and you know, that was

1132
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: my main job. But definitely all of my off time

1133
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: was spent as this. As FHF kind of grew, I

1134
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: never planned it to grow as quickly as it did.

1135
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: In fact, I tried to slow it down several times

1136
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: because I was so busy and I was, you know,

1137
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: doing everything myself. Um, But it just kind of took

1138
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: on a life of its own. And so you know,

1139
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: by the end, I was, you're trying to hang on

1140
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: to make my twenty years and and uh, you know,

1141
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: I'd say there are times where I probably gave a

1142
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: little more attention to that to my side gig than

1143
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: I probably should have. But I tried really hard to

1144
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: not not let it affect my day job. Um. On

1145
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: the like the gradual path to binal harnesses, we like

1146
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: in the old age, we put like a pair of

1147
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: bonn oculars around our neck, right on a rigid strap.

1148
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: I remember getting I wish I still had to sing,

1149
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: and maybe I do. But we started inexpertly sewing stuff

1150
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: and I remember taking um taking a cutting a strip

1151
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: off of a pair of neoprene waiters, old neoprene waiters,

1152
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: and made my next strap of a neoprene waiter stitch piece,

1153
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: and then stitched strapping to that. Did hooked the key

1154
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: rings that were in the tethers, like in the fastening

1155
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: points on my binoculars, and then we'd take a piece

1156
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: of bungee cord and fastened one end of the bungee

1157
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: cord to the binocular to that key ring running around

1158
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: behind your back, and to the other key ring. You'd

1159
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: have a piece of para cord in which you tie

1160
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: up prusick right and tie the prussick around the bungee.

1161
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: You follow me, so as you shed layers, you could

1162
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: like tighten the prusi up on the bungee. It was

1163
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: to have the bungee so when you put your binoculars up,

1164
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: you'd have the resistance of the bungee for stability, and

1165
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: then when you're belly crawling, that bungee suck him up

1166
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: to your chest. I like it, Yeah, we should hire

1167
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: you as a designer. I don't remember exactly, but I

1168
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: don't think I invented this. I think this is just

1169
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: like looking at stuff and doing if I remember that

1170
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: dude Eric Current being like, oh no, man, there's this

1171
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 1: guy in Belgrade. It like makes these whole things. You

1172
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: gotta te him what you got, you know, and he

1173
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: makes it all And it was funny. Is at the time,

1174
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: like no one really knew about that stuff. And and um,

1175
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: we get the biny harnesses. And remember camera guys, so

1176
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: we we had a lot of dealings with production people.

1177
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: Um no interest hunting at all. I remember one of

1178
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: our camera one of our longtime camera guys. I don't

1179
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: know how many episodes of mo film like being like

1180
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: they carry all their batteries and media everything in there.

1181
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: You know, he'd run around being like, I can't believe

1182
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: my whole life, I wasted this real estate. And he'd

1183
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: even be going like he'd be shooting Bourdain show. You know,

1184
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: they'd be whatever, like Singapore shooting Bourdain show. And those

1185
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: dudes that all have bought your bino harnesses on with

1186
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: their like camera equipment and stuff in there. You know

1187
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: they loved it. Man and they're all wearing the chest rick.

1188
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: Now yeah, now they got Yeah, they don't have to

1189
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: stick in the buyo pocket now because now there's like

1190
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: an actual chess rig. This more excess rise. But that

1191
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: was this big things, like this whole life. He'd wasted

1192
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: this this space where who knows you could keep all

1193
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: your stuff here? Paul, when you came up with like

1194
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: that by no harness design, what were you seeing that

1195
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: you didn't like, you know, in the other options that

1196
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: were out there. Um, well, it's funny because there weren't.

1197
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: I have to admit I hadn't actually researched making it

1198
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: based on what you didn't like about other ship. The

1199
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: first one was actually made for a custom order for

1200
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: somebody else, um and you know who had had a

1201
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: bunch of elks scared away by Um he had one

1202
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: of those early magnetic ones that stayed open. The wind

1203
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: caught it, popped it shut and made a huge noise.

1204
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: Elk got scared away, and he's like, I want something

1205
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: without a magnet. So that was the first first one

1206
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: I started making. I made a few for you know,

1207
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: a few other friends and customers. Went to Uh. Actually,

1208
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: one of Randy Newburgh's really early like get togethers, and

1209
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: came away from there with a bunch of orders and

1210
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and I had been wearing just

1211
01:11:55,160 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: the the old elastic crooked horn um by guy, you know,

1212
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: and I had had my own issues with that. You know,

1213
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: you're hiking around and bouncing, hitting in the waste or

1214
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, lower if you weren't lucky, and sometimes well

1215
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I tried to jump over a stream

1216
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: one time, and you know, I jumped and ended up

1217
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: hitting the other bank buy knows went one way and

1218
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: came back and hit me right in the nose, end

1219
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: up standing in the creek, bleeding, and like, there's gotta

1220
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: be a better way to do this, And uh yeah,

1221
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it started and just kind of

1222
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: evolved from there. You know, it hasn't changed a whole

1223
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: lot um. It just kind of added a few features

1224
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: here and there over the years. And you know, now,

1225
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: to be honest, I got so busy as the company

1226
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: grew where I was running kind of day to day

1227
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: business stuff all the time and really had very little

1228
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to update products or even design new ones. And

1229
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: now we're finally getting to a point where I feel

1230
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: like we're moving forward on all sorts of new stuff.

1231
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: When you started your when you start your business, will

1232
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: being a full time police officer, what was the how

1233
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: many years did you do it before you did it?

1234
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: A year where you're like I had a profit, Like

1235
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: realize that you had an actual business. Um, it wasn't

1236
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 1: until I actually started. We we ended up working with

1237
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: a company to help so gear for me, so like

1238
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: certain things that I would have a list of. Um,

1239
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years it was into it,

1240
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: probably probably two or three where you know, I was

1241
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: just sewing everything myself. And I am one of those

1242
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: people who are like, that's not worth that, you know,

1243
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: give me five bucks for that. I'll you know, it's

1244
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: probably not worth that much. And so I look at

1245
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: some of my early stuff, I can't believe people paid

1246
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 1: for it, but um they like when I found a

1247
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: company that helped me, like my most requested products I

1248
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: just had made for me, and um, that's when I

1249
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 1: started seeing a profit because it was just the time

1250
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: of actually sewing. I could just sell those things, um,

1251
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: one after the other instead of spending you one by

1252
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: an artist would take me four and a half hours

1253
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: to make by myself. You know, that's when I was

1254
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: selling them all the time and felt good at it.

1255
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: And so you know, at the time I was probably

1256
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: selling them for sixty bucks. It's hard to make a

1257
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: profit at that rate. Well, when you were early on,

1258
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 1: are you tempted to not stick to having everything be

1259
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: American made? UM, just as you could have gone and

1260
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: had like hundreds of them maid and just have it

1261
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: all be like No, I've pretty much always stuck to

1262
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: that that I try and source everything I can, both

1263
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: materials and obviously labor um in the US and UM.

1264
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: It's kind of been one of the things throughout the

1265
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: whole history that have stuck to and kind of built

1266
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: a customer base around and I think a lot of

1267
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: people appreciate that. UM. And early on, you know, I

1268
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 1: was I didn't want to invest too much money into

1269
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: something and you know, going overseas you have to do

1270
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: huge orders and wait a long time. And it's been

1271
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: nice with US production is that you know, if I

1272
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: have a change, I can make that change and have

1273
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: a turnaround pretty quick versus a two year planning process

1274
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: to try and you know, get something made overseas. Uh,

1275
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: you don't know they want I want to ask you

1276
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: do you have how many how long has been since

1277
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: you retired? Uh, since two thousand eighteen. Do you have

1278
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: a lot of days where you uh I wish you

1279
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: hadn't done that and stayed in it. No. Um, A

1280
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: lot of the guys still there. I still see and

1281
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: I recommend retirement to them every day, especially so you're

1282
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: like the opposite of a recruiting force. Yeah. Yeah, you know,

1283
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: I missed the people. I missed the work. Um. Sometimes, UM,

1284
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: I miss being in the know what's going on in

1285
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: the valley and in the news, and but I don't

1286
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: miss the stress and the politics and uh, the bs

1287
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: that you have to deal with every day. I mean

1288
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't been shot at yet since I retired,

1289
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: so that's kind of nice. Yeah. Do you feel like

1290
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: whatever kind of Um, I don't mean to like I'm

1291
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: not trying to lay a diagnosis on here anything like that,

1292
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: but whatever sort of I don't know, Like PTSD is

1293
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: ship happens to you from being like the first on

1294
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: a car crash, Like yeah, you're just like you right right,

1295
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: You're running into like like dead people become a part

1296
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: of life in some way, like this inescapable part of life.

1297
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: Like most if you went out and pulled Americans like,

1298
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: have you ever seen have your like been in proximity

1299
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 1: to a dead person? I feel like at this point

1300
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: in human in American history, a majority of people would

1301
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: have a no answer outside of a funeral home, you know,

1302
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: something like like you know that you like encounter in

1303
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: close proximity a dead individual, not not in a funeral home.

1304
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: Like I think that a vast majority of Americans would

1305
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: say no, I have not right, Like it's just out

1306
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: of whatever it is societally, we've gotten cleaned up. Like

1307
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: you're talking to my dad and he's a little boy.

1308
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: It seemed like you couldn't turn around without being a

1309
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: dead guy laying there. But like nowadays it doesn't happen.

1310
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: But then you're forced in that line of work. It's

1311
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: just like a thing. It has to have a new impact. Yeah,

1312
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: I think it does. I actually like read something once

1313
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: from a law professor who talked about you know you

1314
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: kind of you get used to it, or you never

1315
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: get used to it, but you get to see it

1316
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: so often. They talk about grains of sand where you

1317
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: it's something that you don't realize it's irritating you, but

1318
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: it is irritating you every call you go to. It's

1319
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: all those things. And I think many in law enforcement,

1320
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: any emergency service, they kind of the this analogy that

1321
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: was made by this law professor was, you know, we

1322
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: all learned to like build a pearl around those grains

1323
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: of sand and polish him up. And you know a

1324
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: lot of that polish has dark humor in it, and

1325
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: you know you just kind of you try and find

1326
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: what's funny and what you can laugh at later and

1327
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: vent your stress that way do you find it getting

1328
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: out of it? You start uh, drifting back to whatever

1329
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: you were pre I don't know if I'll ever get there.

1330
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 1: I still have that yeah, yeah, I definitely. You know,

1331
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: I still can't go in eat at a restaurant without

1332
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: sitting with my back to the wall somewhere. Seriously. Oh yeah,

1333
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: I don't what is your concern? I don't know the

1334
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: guy you coughed and stuffed, it's gonna come up. Yeah,

1335
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: And you just kind of you learned to always be ready,

1336
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: and you know, driving around a patrol car, you're you're

1337
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 1: always thinking what could happen next, What if this happens?

1338
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: You know, kind of the what if scenarios, all the time,

1339
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: and um, you know, luckily of the time it's pretty boring,

1340
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: but that one percent of the time when it's not,

1341
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: if you're not ready for it, it's it could be

1342
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 1: real trouble. And that's you go out to eat and

1343
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, what if somebody comes in to

1344
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: rob the place? What if somebody I know, you know,

1345
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: or arrested or whatever comes in and recognizes me or

1346
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I just don't want to

1347
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: be hitting the back of the head. I'd rather see

1348
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: what's coming right now. Yeah, he said, yeah, he said,

1349
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: in the back corner, watching the What are the type

1350
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: of what let me rephrases. Uh, it's from a night

1351
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: shift going back into obviously working with more of a

1352
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: day shift operation and any of the residual health pieces

1353
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: of that. And how did that unwind, you know, from

1354
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 1: trying to change your basic I don't know. So I

1355
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: worked nights. I was luckily I was a lot younger

1356
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: than I can tell. As I got older, things got harder.

1357
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: Um to stay awake all night. Um, I remember I

1358
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: went through a full year. I learned to tie flies

1359
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: on night shift. And you know, because you wouldn't your

1360
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: days off you'd stay awake, you couldn't sleep. Really. Um,

1361
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: I didn't have kids yet early on, and my wife

1362
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: at the time worked night shift, and so it just

1363
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: were like the vampires of the neighborhood. And so you

1364
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: stay on the you stay on the regis, stay on

1365
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: my schedule, and you know, made a lot easier on

1366
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: the work schedule to go back to the night shift

1367
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: and I tie flies, and I remember that's when I

1368
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: finally decided, you know, I probably had to get off

1369
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 1: a night shift when I had so many flies done

1370
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: because I never fished. Yeah, it was dark out, so

1371
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: I had so many flies tied up. I'm like, man,

1372
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: I'd never gonna get to use it if I don't

1373
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: get off this shift. Um. And then I went through

1374
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: a long period where like I had a hard time

1375
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: having kids, you know, not you know, I was used

1376
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: to hibernating for twelve hours during the daytime and you know,

1377
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: blocking out the lights and turning the A C on

1378
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: and you know, just I did great on nights. But

1379
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: then when I had kids, it was pretty tough to transition,

1380
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, and realize my life now revolved around their

1381
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: schedule and not not my own. Uh, you know that

1382
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: jumpiness you're talking about. Uh do you feel that you

1383
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: do you make your kids jumping? Um? Yeah, I don't.

1384
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: It's hard to say whether I cost to hear that,

1385
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: but you sense that at them that they pick up

1386
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: because they they're they're like they pick up a lot man. Yeah,

1387
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. They had a teenage daughter who and

1388
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty oblivious to anything but her phone, So I

1389
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: think she's not like a gunfighter. No facing the door.

1390
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: Do do you ever look back? I wish you hadn't

1391
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: gone into that work? Um? Yeah, Uh, like what because

1392
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: primarily what like what is the main thing? I don't know.

1393
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's hard. It's like I'm torn because

1394
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the work. I actually when I got hired,

1395
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 1: I never planned to go into that that line of work,

1396
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: and and honestly, when I got hired, it was like,

1397
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: I'll try this for a few years and see what happens. Um,

1398
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: but I had fun. I think the people I worked

1399
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: with are genuinely, you know, some of the best people

1400
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: I've ever met. They always would have my back. They um,

1401
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, we come came to rely on each other.

1402
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: So you know, it's similar to I'm sure what I'm

1403
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: sure I wasn't in the military, but similar to and

1404
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: we hired a lot of veterans and and that same

1405
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: mindset came with them, and it was different in that,

1406
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, I worked with i'd say, the same core

1407
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: group of people for twenty years doing the same thing,

1408
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: and you just get to know those people, and so

1409
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give that up for anything. But at the

1410
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: same time, you know, I'm sure, like you said, I'm

1411
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: there's some scars there. I'm sure that will always be there.

1412
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 1: But you know, I guess that's who makes me me

1413
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: so hurt, what makes me me and I think, you know,

1414
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to not have them, But at the

1415
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: same time, they're there. And I think I've learned from

1416
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things, and I was very naive when

1417
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: I got hired, and I feel like, hopefully I'm not

1418
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 1: not so anymore. I'm guessing that's probably accurate. Well, I

1419
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: appreciate the service to the community, you know, that's what

1420
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: I really I don't know if you feel that yourself.

1421
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: I think that's like a something that I'm feel like

1422
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm missing sometimes. You know, it's kind of an adult

1423
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: in their prime, and I'm always thinking like man, how

1424
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: could I do more just around, you know, to help out?

1425
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: But like that that weighs on your honest and legitimate way, man, Well,

1426
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: and it does for me too. I want to get

1427
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: more involved with some of the conservation stuff now that

1428
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: I'm out. You know, I'm just used to being um.

1429
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: You know, I try and help with cleanups and different

1430
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: things around the community. But yeah, there are times where

1431
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I wish I could get more involved.

1432
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 1: When I was in law enforcemately, you know, it was different.

1433
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: But it's funny you bring it up and kind of

1434
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: tie what Steve said earlier about getting in later. Like

1435
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: when I first got hired, I was twenty one years old,

1436
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: and you know, I wasn't thinking about just starting drink. Yeah, um,

1437
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: yeah right, And m I p s to people that

1438
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, would have partied with a few weeks earlier.

1439
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: Last night, I've been with you. Um. But you know

1440
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 1: when when you're young, and you know, maybe not everybody's

1441
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: like this, but I didn't realize really what I was

1442
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: getting getting into, or maybe what the what effect I

1443
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 1: could have, you know, And of course then you get

1444
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: into that and I think Sam talked about it at

1445
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: some point where you get into feeling like I can

1446
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: clean up this community, I can fix everything, and you

1447
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 1: realize that that's not possible either. You go through a

1448
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: phase where you're you know, nobody can clean up this

1449
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: community and screw it all um. And then as you

1450
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: get older, and I saw it with older hires, you know,

1451
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned somebody else getting into it later in life.

1452
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: You I think those were some of the best hires

1453
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: we had because you had guys that already knew what

1454
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: was going on in the community, what they'd like to

1455
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 1: see changed. They had community connections. You know, I was

1456
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: a college kid basically, you know when I got hired,

1457
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: my connections were, you know, what bar are we going

1458
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: to go to? Um? You know, it's just it's a

1459
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: different outlook on life and being involved, and so yeah,

1460
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: it was good when we hired, and you know, the

1461
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office here did a really good job of hiring

1462
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: and picking those people that wanted to be involved. So

1463
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: it was you know, by the end, you know, certainly

1464
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: I was at a place where that was one of

1465
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: the best parts of it, where you got to go

1466
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: talk to kids and you know, help out at different places.

1467
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: You were out of the game when it happened to

1468
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: you a goal. But when you saw stuff like when

1469
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: you read like defund the police and stuff that that

1470
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: hurts that that's staying a little bit. Yeah, definitely. I

1471
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: feel bad for the guys you know, that are still

1472
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: working that I have to put up with. You know

1473
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: that what I hope is kind of the vocal minority

1474
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: of people that you know have that hatred. But um,

1475
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, not to say that there isn't room for

1476
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: improvements in certain places, but um, you know, I have

1477
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: my whole I go on for hours about that, but

1478
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 1: I won't. But they you know, there are certain things

1479
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: that could be done to help I think improve the

1480
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: outlook of the public and the police working together, and

1481
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: I think defund the police is certainly the wrong message

1482
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: to send out there. I just read an article in

1483
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: the in the Times the other day about the radical

1484
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 1: reversal of that movement and it looked I think it

1485
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: was the most particularly looking at like Dallas or Houston,

1486
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: I remember, and he was like that they had stripped

1487
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: overtime funding for a while and then all they're back

1488
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: in with more overtime. People are like, oh, I don't

1489
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: really mean that, you know, And it's like a widespread

1490
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: sort of movement away from thinking that that's actually not

1491
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: the plan, like that's not the path towards more peaceful neighborhoods. Yeah. Yeah,

1492
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough, tough topic to cover, and

1493
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, obviously every other area the country is different.

1494
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: I was lucky I worked in Bozeman, Montana. There's worse

1495
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 1: places to work, um, you know, so I have a

1496
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: limited perspective from that end, but you know, it's still

1497
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, I've worked with a lot of guys who

1498
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: moved here from Bozeman or sorry, from big cities, you know,

1499
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: d C, Dallas, different places, and they moved to Bozeman

1500
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: to get away from the crime and the lifestyle, and

1501
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: they wanted the Bozeman lifestyle. And they realized, well, you

1502
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: guys don't have very many people, and so you're still

1503
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: dealing with almost the same number of calls every night,

1504
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: same number of you know, deaths. You know, we don't

1505
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: have the homicide rate of Chicago or something, but um,

1506
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, we were small enough. We don't have the

1507
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: gang problems and different things, and but we're still dealing

1508
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: with a lot of the same stressors. And it's just

1509
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: fewer people to deal with calls. And so your your

1510
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: ratios are still yeah, yeah, the travesties per person. Yeah yeah,

1511
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: it's still there. Um, what tell us about what's coming

1512
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: up at FHF at your at your at your now business. Um,

1513
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: you're now not You're now not as traumatic business. Um.

1514
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: Although I joke when people ask if we're staying busy,

1515
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: I say, I don't get to take as many coffee

1516
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: breaks anymore. So I think I'm busier now, Um, but

1517
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't know it. Just don't call um a whole

1518
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: another story about where where your food comes from and

1519
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: not eating at restaurants and uniform and only uh yeah,

1520
01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: yeahs you've usually arrested most of the cooks. Um. But um,

1521
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: so starting in November, we're gonna launch a bunch of

1522
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,839
Speaker 1: accessories to our chest rig kind of that that launches,

1523
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, limited items that were built to accessorizes the

1524
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: chest rig and make a little more versatile, more modular.

1525
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: Um should start seeing that stuff trickling out. Yeah, explain

1526
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: the chest rig. It's like it's like it's like a

1527
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: imagine a binal harness, but it's just like a rig

1528
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: like a carrier, and you can do like fishing parts,

1529
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: other kinds of inserts, you know, like a zip top

1530
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: pouch that you you wear on your chest. It's not

1531
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: waste in real estate. Yeah, and not wasting real estate.

1532
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: And that's why I'd make made a fishing chest rig

1533
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: for years, always with the plan I built it with

1534
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: velcro inserts so that you could customize it to how

1535
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: you wanted. And I always had plans to do a

1536
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: bunch of inserts for it and different accessories. Never had

1537
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: the time and until recently and finally we kind of

1538
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 1: reworked a little bit and started so calling it bare

1539
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: and then have a fishing kit that you can set

1540
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: it up for fly fishing or you can set up

1541
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: for um turkey hunting. UM. We're one of the things

1542
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: we'll be coming out with is UM some water fell stuff. UM.

1543
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: Just some options to make it a little more versatile Carrey,

1544
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: So if you don't want to wear it on your chest,

1545
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: you don't have to. Um you think about making a

1546
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: beaver trapping insert, I I would if I had some

1547
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: had some insight, I'll get Rick on that. I'll talk.

1548
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: It needs to have a little liner so that the

1549
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: cast or lure doesn't do you have at least ten customers. Yeah,

1550
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: I got mine rigged up for coon and lion hunting. Yeah.

1551
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 1: We've been talking to Clay quite frequently about potential upgrades

1552
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: we could do for for him hunting down there. He's

1553
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 1: really loving for Oh yeah, ius, get all the whatever,

1554
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: GPS ship and all that. Yeah, you got a leash

1555
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: in there, and you still got to have a skin

1556
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: a knife. And he's not wearing the big buyos you

1557
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: know all the time down in that country, So he's

1558
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: got the real estate. I just tucked my little eight by,

1559
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 1: which are like the best gear kind of thing I've

1560
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: done in the last year. You gotta get a pair.

1561
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: You just don't understand Turkey season with those things. I'm

1562
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: a ten. I can see it. I can see it.

1563
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: Check try him out. But yeah, we'll have a better

1564
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: way to carry some smaller buyos. Um. But hopefully we'll

1565
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of that stuff out in November UM,

1566
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: and then our next big launch probably won't be coming

1567
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: until spring. UM. Some of that stuff. My wife Jen

1568
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: runs our marketing side of things and brand management, and

1569
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: she'd be upset if I tell you all this. But

1570
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: you know what, I can't believe you want just talk

1571
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 1: about what I'm most excited about, you the rifle sling.

1572
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: This you already put it on the instant. But this

1573
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: thing is no No, I didn't get in trouble um that.

1574
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: I think it's the coolest thing. I think it's gonna

1575
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 1: The feedback on it so far has been really good. Um,

1576
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: everybody's been out testing it. Um to what degree can

1577
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: I explain it? Well, you already explained it pretty strongly

1578
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: in the Okay, So picture you know when you got

1579
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: your backpack on, how you can't get your I'm talking

1580
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: to you the audience, not you, Paul, necessarily, but I'm

1581
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: sure you're a wear of this when you got your

1582
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: backpack on and your rifle sling, and your rifle sling

1583
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: will stay put. I've in the pound, if you've ever

1584
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: seen this, I've in the past taking a big gass

1585
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: button off an old coat and sewing that big gass

1586
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: button to the top of my shoulder strap so you

1587
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 1: had a place to hook your sling. So I sold

1588
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: it to the top of my backpack shoulder strap and

1589
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 1: you can like tuck your sling into that button. You

1590
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: picture what I'm saying, Um, which kind of works. But

1591
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: either way, it's a pint in the ass. But this

1592
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: thing you have, there's like an attachment clip, like what

1593
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: do you call a normal buckle, Yeah, side release buck

1594
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: where you pinch it that the female end of that

1595
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: hooks to your backpack strap. And then the male end

1596
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: of that is just on your sling. What was the

1597
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: vice personal on the sling? Okay, females on a sling,

1598
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: the males on the backpack. So when you put your

1599
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: rifle over your shoulder, you can just take one hand

1600
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: and and that's some bitches clicked two Like the top

1601
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 1: of your sling is clicked to your pack and you

1602
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: can do any amount of crick crossing, log jumping. No slippage,

1603
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: that's the worst thing about it. And then when you

1604
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: want it down, it's just like you just reach up

1605
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: and it's free in your hand or this is our thing.

1606
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: You can like actually hook it to the bottom your

1607
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: waist belt too. But that thing just man like going

1608
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: up sheep hunting, going up and around junk all the time.

1609
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: I just kept it clicked in because the other thing

1610
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: is you don't you're not like looking for a pull

1611
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: cord raining. It's just like right there, just reach up

1612
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: very very fast and you can walk without holding your

1613
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: sling the whole time. You need to hold your sling

1614
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: the whole time. You can hold your track and poles.

1615
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: Tell you what, man, it's like Nobel Prize. I hope

1616
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 1: there's like a Nobel Prize and rifle sling making no offense.

1617
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: But that's such a simple innovation that's gonna I'm like,

1618
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 1: add a cart. I'm ready to push the button because

1619
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: I've struggled with that same thing. And just as you're

1620
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: describing it, it's like, where's that been all my life?

1621
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 1: Pull up a prepay for ray here, Matt. He's ready

1622
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: to go. He's ready to make a pen working on

1623
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: the website. The no, it's like, man, it's like, you

1624
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: guys got some other cool stuff that I've had. I've

1625
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: been pretty to you, but I don't want to like

1626
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: spill the beans and know all the stuff like it

1627
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 1: might change. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all production dependent, but

1628
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: we're hoping it all shows up and we'll we'll be

1629
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: ready to go by early spring. And a lot of

1630
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: that stuff, and like the sling, for example, you know,

1631
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 1: we're we have it with a bunch of guys here

1632
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: at Meat Eater, and we're all using it and making

1633
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: sure there's not any last minute changes before we you know,

1634
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: pull the track around a full production run. But you know,

1635
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: I just heard you today about you know about like

1636
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about like businessmen people in manufacturing, like having

1637
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: all these problems with like shipping and all that. Right now.

1638
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: I heard today that this thing that there's a huge

1639
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: like just like there's a shipping crisis in this country,

1640
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: particularly import export, but even even domestic there's shipping issues.

1641
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:13,919
Speaker 1: And they're saying that when the um Infrastructure Bill passes

1642
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: that they're anticipating um it. Actually this is just this

1643
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 1: is and I'm not like a subject matter expert on this.

1644
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: If when the infrastructure Bill passes, the amount of like

1645
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: shipping and trucking resources that will go into construction because

1646
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,879
Speaker 1: the money is so much better that it's gonna worsen

1647
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: and that you haven't even this is the good old

1648
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 1: days right now, and shipping and transportation in in context

1649
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 1: of what the next couple of years could look like. Yeah,

1650
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: we've heard that, like no one's like, oh, we're getting

1651
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 1: out of it. We've heard that that we should prepare

1652
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 1: for some some uh some of that those issues. Although

1653
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: it's weird because We've gone the last ten years with

1654
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: not being able to keep anything in stock, and right

1655
01:34:55,280 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: now we have a pretty good We're opposite. You're sucking

1656
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: the trend, all right, man, next time you come out,

1657
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: we got we gotta talk a whole bunch about we

1658
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: were gonna do it. I don't know what happened about

1659
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: the big horn. Yeah, I thought about bringing that head

1660
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: in and listen to the honest bringing his in. What

1661
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: you do with the hide on that thing? It's actually

1662
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: I so I tried to do a full cape. I

1663
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: was by myself full body mount. My wife suggested I

1664
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: do a full body mount, which I was going to

1665
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: take her up on, and um ended up being by

1666
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: myself and in a bad position and ended up doing

1667
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: three quarters, but brought it out. It's all tanned up.

1668
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a pedestal mount with the reproduction and

1669
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: then you owe the freedom mount. I'm gonna have to

1670
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: get one of these, uh, one of these uh desktop pedestal.

1671
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Oh you know it won't work. I was gonna ask,

1672
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: are they That's the only thing I found? Like, I

1673
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: won't hold a musk ox and want the Oh no, no,

1674
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: it'll hold a doll sheet. What am I saying it holds,

1675
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 1: It holds the sheep. But see those big horns are

1676
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: so heavy, it won't hold the musk ox. I know

1677
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: that I put. Okay, our desk amount that we're talking about,

1678
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: you can put. I've put everything from prong horn, we

1679
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 1: put white tails of all shapes and sizes, mule deer

1680
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: of all shapes and sizes. It holds everything. I put

1681
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: doll sheep on it. It holds a doll sheep beautifully.

1682
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: But the big horns like got a little more, a

1683
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: little more gir but you should throw one on there. Yeah,

1684
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: I didn't see what happens, but yeah I was wrong.

1685
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: I feel optimistic that it will hold it. We'll try

1686
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: it out and then you have it on your desk.

1687
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 1: That's what I want. Okay, shifted gears. Here minute, we're

1688
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: talking to another law enforcement from the Fish and Game

1689
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 1: fish Cops, fish foze. What do you guys call yourselves?

1690
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Fish fuzz fish fuzz fish cops, fish falls. So let

1691
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 1: me reintroduce Sam. Here is an interesting story I found

1692
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: out about Sam because when we're working on our Close Calls,

1693
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: we're like casting, for lack of a better word, for

1694
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: our Close Calls series and um, I was talking to

1695
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: someone I can't remember who else talking you now, and

1696
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: so I was like, Oh, there's this guy. He's got

1697
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 1: this crazy story about the mud puddle story. Then like

1698
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: he's alive today. I don't Wane gives you a detail

1699
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: away on that one. Then we played the whole damn

1700
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: thing on the show. So yeah, you heard so if

1701
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: you listened to the show Reggae, they already heard Sam's

1702
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 1: mud puddle story. But anyways, I found out about him.

1703
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: Someone told me this story was like but they didn't

1704
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: know who it was, and I think they said something

1705
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: like whoever was I can't remember his name, but I

1706
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: think he went to work for like Pheasants Forever or

1707
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: something like that. So I send out a text to

1708
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: a few of my colleagues are pretty well connected, and

1709
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, guy, Arizona game Warden, something new with

1710
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 1: the mud puddle and pheasant is Forever. And like thirty

1711
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,759
Speaker 1: seconds later I get like a thing like Sam Laurie,

1712
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, And we got in touch and we recorded story,

1713
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: and then the process of doing that, we kept talking

1714
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: about that you had completed a book of like a

1715
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 1: really good book of game Warden stories and you call

1716
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: it remembering the Outlaws, and uh, I don't even full title.

1717
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: It's stories of the Past. So this is from two

1718
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: thousand four an Arizona game ranger remembering the Outlaws, and

1719
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 1: basically and read it that that was funny. Is um

1720
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: uh it's almost like you can correct me on this,

1721
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: but it's almost like remembering them fondly, like you have

1722
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of Uh you got a

1723
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: real soft spot for the Outlaws. Yeah. I think each

1724
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,879
Speaker 1: one of them kind of left a little notchuring me somewhere,

1725
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,520
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there was a lot of personalities

1726
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. Uh. You know I used to tell

1727
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 1: a lot of these stories two friends and my kids

1728
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,560
Speaker 1: and things, and I always say, Dad, you got to

1729
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: write those down. And uh. So it's actually when I

1730
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: was working for Friends forever, because we were traveling all

1731
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: over the country and at meetings and evenings at the hotels,

1732
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: I'd write rather than go down to the watering holes.

1733
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, fell more productive and uh but only you

1734
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: know I as Paul was saying, you know, he had

1735
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: a desire to become a wildife a game officer. It's funny.

1736
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 1: I spoke to the University of Montana Tuesday wildlife class

1737
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: about careers and wildife, and I said that to of

1738
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: them that when I went to school. Uh the professor

1739
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 1: stood up and said, two of you out of this

1740
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: class of a hundred will become biologists. The rest of

1741
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: you are going to be car salesman's or lawyers or whatever.

1742
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: And uh so I was strictly a biologist. I wanted to.

1743
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I was a waterfowl nut. I went to work for

1744
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Northern Prairie while I've researched station study and pintails, and

1745
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: my whole life was ducks. And I had a move

1746
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 1: to Arizona, where I ended up doing more work with

1747
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: some big game animals. And a buddy of mine said,

1748
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: you have to go out for the wildlife officer of

1749
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,640
Speaker 1: the game warding jobs. And I didn't want to be

1750
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: a game ward and I thought that's beneath me, and

1751
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 1: but no I did. I went to the academy, ended

1752
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: up hiring on and uh. You know, as you've probably

1753
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: heard a lot of people refer to the game warding

1754
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: job as the most dangerous law enforcement job there is.

1755
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I think yours was, Paul. I mean, we deal with

1756
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: people with guns all the time, but I don't have

1757
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: to do that stuff you guys did all the time

1758
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: with real crime. I guess if you call it so

1759
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: so anyway, yeah, uh, as the unit manager there, you're

1760
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: also the biologist, so we had to do all the

1761
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: wildlife surveys and fisheries management and all that. But you're

1762
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: in charge of a big geography um as also the warden.

1763
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: And uh, that's where those tales started. I I got

1764
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: a real interest in interview and interrogation. I became kind

1765
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 1: of a specialist. And yeah, there's a lot about that

1766
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,839
Speaker 1: in the bookman like kind of like like your approach,

1767
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: like you don't come in hot, I want I want

1768
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: you to kind of I guess, uh, well, I just

1769
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 1: want to get the truth out of you. And uh

1770
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: and at the end, I can't tell you how many

1771
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: times people pretty much told the whole story and thank

1772
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: me for because they needed to get it off their chests.

1773
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: One of the things I like about the book too, is, uh,

1774
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: maybe you're able to do this because you've got enough

1775
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: distance from it now, but you kind of lay out

1776
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 1: It's a bold move because in the beginning you kind

1777
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: of lay out your sort of violator credentials, which which like,

1778
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: like you said, earlier. Man, if you're a passionate hunter

1779
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 1: and anger like you just have, you've broken laws, and

1780
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 1: you talk about being a kid, and I'm sure there's

1781
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 1: more we talked about being a kid and like an

1782
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: uncle saying, don't cross the river. You know, we're not

1783
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: allowed to hunt outside of the river. And how at

1784
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: the end of the day, sure enough you're on the

1785
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: other side of the river, and it's just right. And

1786
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 1: I think that that that you tell them that story

1787
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: about yourself and kind of that you know, in a

1788
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 1: lot of ways, you're a product of generations ahead of you,

1789
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, And and I wrote about it one of

1790
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: my books. Man, I mean, um, we like I grew

1791
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: up around a lot of game law breaking. There were

1792
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: certain inviable things, like there's certain things you just would

1793
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: never do, Like no one in my family would ever

1794
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: go jack lighting deer, like, but you would definitely. Um,

1795
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: it was just they people don't even go out of

1796
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: their way to like hide it. That modu a dough tag,

1797
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: which means that everybody has a dough tag until Mak

1798
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 1: comes out and puts the dough tag on a deer.

1799
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,560
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even like and it wasn't even like

1800
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: when I was looking at it wasn't even like a

1801
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: s It was just just it took me a long

1802
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 1: time to realize that somehow you weren't supposed to do that.

1803
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 1: And I think you kind of acknowledged in little ways

1804
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 1: of having like some of that in your upbringing, which

1805
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: probably leads to that thing of how you had a

1806
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: little bit of you never had hate for hunters and anglers. No,

1807
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 1: And as I said, I think the far majority of

1808
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 1: them were all, you know, good people and ethical users

1809
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: of the resource. I can't tell you how many how

1810
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 1: many times if you know, this book focuses on a

1811
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 1: lot of bad guys, um, but that was one tenth

1812
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: of one percent of one percent of all the people

1813
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I contacted. And when you saw, you know, they're what

1814
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 1: I call opportunistic poachers. They didn't leave the house that

1815
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 1: morning to violate a game law, but they got a

1816
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:04,679
Speaker 1: situation where they're excited and they shot the wrong animal,

1817
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: or they they shot one in a unit they weren't

1818
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be in. And and those guys, uh, they're

1819
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: like a dime a dozen, you're gonna run into it

1820
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: all the time. What I kind of focused on was

1821
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 1: what are what is that one percent. I had a

1822
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 1: guy tell me once that every small town or every

1823
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 1: town has a one percent poacher, the real bad guy.

1824
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 1: And those are the ones you kind of want to

1825
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: focus on and spend a lot of attention on trying

1826
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 1: to to put out a business. If you have you

1827
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: heard the turn of the criminologist who had a term superpoachers. Yeah,

1828
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 1: I guess like a form of sociopath seeing those people.

1829
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: They're not they're not bothered at all by their activities

1830
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: on the resource. I mean there's one guy that I

1831
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 1: don't know if you read the one about the the

1832
01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: the lion guy like setting those baited hooks out I

1833
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 1: mean trouble hooks with meat on him on steal leaders

1834
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:09,600
Speaker 1: to catch anything he could. Yeah, I'll guarantee you that

1835
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: guy is still alive. He's doing something wrong right now

1836
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 1: for a while. Guarantee there's no no I got you,

1837
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 1: you know. And and I think that's one of the

1838
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: things that that I hope people that read this book

1839
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 1: might just have a little more inclination to say, you

1840
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,640
Speaker 1: know what, maybe I won't put up with no one

1841
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 1: old Bob doing what he's doing and and give a

1842
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 1: call and well that that's like there's a certain egregiousness.

1843
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 1: And you pointed out in that story about the guy

1844
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 1: with the bated trouble hooks where it's like and you

1845
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 1: describe going on the scene and you can tell where

1846
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,640
Speaker 1: he's caught somehow, I've gotten a line in one and

1847
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 1: he's got just like junk out and like meat scraps

1848
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: and and just it almost like the way you describe it,

1849
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 1: it's almost like walking and it's like kind of like

1850
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 1: an insanity that someone's dealing with. It was and I

1851
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: can tell you this, that was way way in the backwood.

1852
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean we we took a four wheel drive probably

1853
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 1: three and a half hours before we trailered and got

1854
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: horses and went. We were actually doing a deer survey

1855
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 1: at the time. And when you come across something like

1856
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 1: that that far out into Buddhi's the guy had no

1857
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: concern at all that they were going to be caught.

1858
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean there it was such such an egregious act

1859
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: that I mean, those are the ones that bother you.

1860
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Paul you you can remember the cases

1861
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:37,679
Speaker 1: that bothered you a lot of times. With you guys,

1862
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 1: it's it's people, it's children, and from a wildlife officer

1863
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 1: when you see just an absolute disregard for critter. Yeah,

1864
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 1: and this guy, you know, the arrogance. I can remember

1865
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,560
Speaker 1: interviewing him, you know, for me to you, and this

1866
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: guy was kind of like the old sociopath and looked

1867
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 1: right through you. He didn't give a yeah what you

1868
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 1: were about to talk to about? You can tell him

1869
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: your stories. A lot of the guys, um, they they're

1870
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 1: they're good enough where they immediately go into a game

1871
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: like as you interview in them, it becomes like everyone

1872
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 1: in the room knows but you the way you describe

1873
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 1: how also their wheels are turning and they're like this

1874
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: guy knows, he knows what I did, but I like,

1875
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 1: here's I'm already playing my defense. I mean like he's

1876
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: already in the courthouse, do you know what I mean? Like,

1877
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 1: And they're they're not like, oh you got me, and

1878
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: they don't break down in tears, you know, but they're like, okay,

1879
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,560
Speaker 1: I can play this game with you. Well, you know,

1880
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 1: it was was always funny to me, is, uh, let's

1881
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 1: just say Steve did something wrong. And Paul called me

1882
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 1: up and said, hey, Steve shot a deer out of season,

1883
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I'll tell you what I'm gonna

1884
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: do to gather a little bit of information. But I

1885
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 1: want to go talk to Steve. And I pick up

1886
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: the phone and I call you, Steve Sam Laurien with

1887
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:59,560
Speaker 1: Game and Fish Department. Hey, I just wanted to know

1888
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: if I meet you this afternoon, kind a few things

1889
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. Um, yeah, I guess after work.

1890
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:15,680
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that'd be fine. Show up there and I'd

1891
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 1: come up and Steve, do you have any idea what

1892
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about? And they'd say, well, no,

1893
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 1: Well the person that was innocent would always say on

1894
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 1: the phone, what is it about? Oh, the bad guy

1895
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 1: already knew what it was about, and I'm going to

1896
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: talk to him. So the first chink in the old

1897
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 1: interview process happened before I even got there. He just

1898
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 1: gave that away. Yeah, I've got a kind of a

1899
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 1: good little one. You shouldn't revealed that. There's so many

1900
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: more though, for my brothers and sisters that are out

1901
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 1: there still enforcing while if flaws and other laws, you'll

1902
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:59,680
Speaker 1: replace that check with another trainers and many many more.

1903
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 1: There's a funny story you got here where you're out checking,

1904
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:05,679
Speaker 1: you're like working along the shore of a lake checking

1905
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: licenses and you get your guy and he's like, I

1906
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 1: don't have my license on you, and so um you

1907
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: kinda you're trying to give them the benefit of doubt,

1908
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, just leave your gear here and

1909
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: just go get your license, you know. And a while

1910
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 1: goes by, he's like, the guy never comes back. The

1911
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 1: guy never comes back. Guy never comes back. Eventually you

1912
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 1: gather up his gear and tell about how you caught up.

1913
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: We'll tell you how you caught up with the guy.

1914
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 1: So there was that's what we call furtive gestures. This

1915
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: win here, you're shaking you. If someone asked you for

1916
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 1: your fishing or hunting license today, you're gonna be shaken

1917
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 1: when you get it out of your wallet, no matter what,

1918
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 1: no matter what, because I don't know, maybe I did

1919
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 1: something wrong and you love it. I just love it. No,

1920
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding on that. So there was furtive gestures,

1921
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of excess with this particular guy. And

1922
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 1: I thought, boy, there's something wrong here, and the old

1923
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 1: warrant is what's hitting me in the hand. And he

1924
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: has a warrant. That's what I'm thinking out because there's

1925
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 1: more to this than blah blah blah. So yeah, he

1926
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: says it's in his glove box. And there's a bunch

1927
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: of other fishermen on the shore. And I said, well,

1928
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 1: I'll just continue I'm checking these guys and and then

1929
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: I'll i'll you could come back here and leave your

1930
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 1: gear here. Well, he never came back. So I gathered

1931
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: up his gear and started walking back to my patrol truck.

1932
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:25,719
Speaker 1: And at the trail, I go on a little branch fell.

1933
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: I looked down on the ground a little five inch

1934
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 1: hunk of oak leaf, and I could kind of what

1935
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: the heck. And I looked up there and there he was.

1936
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 1: He was hanging on that like a gibbon. I can't

1937
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: remember his name, but I summoned him to come on

1938
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 1: down out of that tree. And this is just a

1939
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 1: fishing violation, you know, and and uh, I don't want

1940
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:54,639
Speaker 1: you to fallow it out of Yeah, I think long

1941
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: story shore. I think he did have a warrant and

1942
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: he I think he got a little ride. Yeah, yeah,

1943
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe that's bad. Yeah, another I'm gonna lay out another

1944
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 1: game warding trick, you guys got. I guess he told

1945
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 1: the books. I can tell it, uh that when this

1946
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:14,679
Speaker 1: kind of surprised me a little bit when game draws

1947
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 1: come out so limited tag draws that you like to

1948
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:23,640
Speaker 1: go one, you go see if you got anything, and

1949
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 1: then you like to see did any do do our

1950
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 1: known violators? You are one percenters? Have our one percenters

1951
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:36,640
Speaker 1: drawn any tags? But of more interest you is have

1952
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:41,639
Speaker 1: our have our one percenters had a mother who drew

1953
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 1: a very coveted big game tag. Yeah, and you're like,

1954
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling it's not his mom. But

1955
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:55,519
Speaker 1: in Arizona mom could have given to him. Right. No, No,

1956
01:51:55,840 --> 01:52:00,040
Speaker 1: you have to shoot the animal with the tag, and

1957
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 1: there's no there's nobody hunting transferable way. Yeah, because I

1958
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,640
Speaker 1: think I know a lot of people who's who have

1959
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 1: their spouses apply when they get enough points and they

1960
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:14,680
Speaker 1: just chant the kids. There might be some new regulations

1961
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 1: associated with kids or something. But well, the reason I

1962
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: think that he was right at the time is he

1963
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,559
Speaker 1: tells the whole damn story and then arrested the guy. Well,

1964
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 1: if you have these, yeah, you have a few red flags.

1965
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: But I remember this is some time of co where

1966
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, you look at an officer's car now and

1967
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 1: there's a laptop there. You know, we had this hard

1968
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:43,040
Speaker 1: print out. Then you'd go through it and find, oh,

1969
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: there's so and so's grandma and and uh you'd pull

1970
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 1: into camp and you know there's no Grandma to be found,

1971
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 1: you know. And so yeah, you kind of push it

1972
01:52:55,960 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: a little further. And you know, I mean everybody says,

1973
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 1: so what a minute, just buddy hunting. They allow that

1974
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 1: in all kinds of states, and but where they don't

1975
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: allow it, you know, and you could get into this.

1976
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: It's based on the models for for genuinating the permit

1977
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: numbers and and it's based on the harvest. And if

1978
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 1: you're just an outstanding hunter and you can shoot five elk,

1979
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: that's going to disrupt the model that they're putting together

1980
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 1: that generates the permit number. And so you need to

1981
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 1: you need to follow the follow the law in those

1982
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 1: cases outstanding hunter or unethical hunter who shoots five right,

1983
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 1: And I think you know this is you know, a

1984
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,679
Speaker 1: pitch if I will to to to all of your listeners.

1985
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:49,440
Speaker 1: Is as you know, there's little teeny pieces of information

1986
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 1: that come across to wildlife officers or law enforcement officers

1987
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 1: in general that you might not think as much. I

1988
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:59,799
Speaker 1: pulled into a gas station last night and I noticed

1989
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 1: there were some blood on a bumper. It's not hunting season. Well,

1990
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: the either guy did something wrong, uh you know, maybe

1991
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: maybe did something to his a human or there's some

1992
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of wildlife in fraction. Try to license number down

1993
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 1: and just call and and uh, you know, there were

1994
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 1: many cases that we made that we were looking for

1995
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 1: the shooter of an animal and LOI behold, someone called

1996
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:29,240
Speaker 1: and gave us just that little piece we needed. And

1997
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 1: I think if more people did that, uh, you'd see

1998
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:37,080
Speaker 1: a little bit less of some of the things going on.

1999
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 1: But one of the things I have to say too,

2000
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 1: and this goes back to that whole thing with law

2001
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: enforcement and and the feelings about law enforcement these days,

2002
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 1: and in order for people to come forward and say, hey,

2003
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: so and so did this, they have to trust you

2004
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 1: and and so the rewards both male and female. A

2005
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 1: wardens out there really have to build that community trust

2006
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:07,560
Speaker 1: so that you will go talk to them and know

2007
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 1: that that's not going to come back to haunt you.

2008
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 1: And I think they do a great job at that.

2009
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 1: And my hat's off to all the the wildlife enforcement

2010
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 1: officers nationwide that go out there every day and try

2011
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. Because as you know, all

2012
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: of you from meat Eater, the seven principles of the

2013
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:31,000
Speaker 1: North American model. I can't name them all, but I

2014
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: know i'm aware of them. Number one, well, let's just

2015
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 1: go to number four is allocation by law, and so

2016
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: the permit structure is allocated and regulated by law. And

2017
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:47,879
Speaker 1: obviously it's a public trust all that information to other pillars.

2018
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 1: But if you take that one pillar away, the models.

2019
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: So it's just as important as game populations need to

2020
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 1: be managed by science, right, It's just important as equal

2021
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 1: opportunity for all. It's just important there's no commercial harvest

2022
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: that will impact the population. So don't break the pillars down.

2023
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 1: That's what I told people. There's an interesting story, uh

2024
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 1: that has to do with those I was reminded of

2025
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 1: it when you're talking about the subtle queues. I remember

2026
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy and you just notice that

2027
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 1: blood under his fingernails as you're talking to him, Like,

2028
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 1: why is this guy got blood under spirals? And I

2029
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 1: think it's the guy that turned into These guys had

2030
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 1: this huge bear, huge they killed illegally, and what as

2031
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 1: funny is your you confiscate the bear and their last

2032
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,160
Speaker 1: requests that can they get a quick griffin grin and

2033
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 1: you let it, and I'll guarantee you that picture is

2034
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 1: sitting somewhere on somebody's wall. It's like, just can we

2035
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 1: just please get a gripp and grind? All right? To

2036
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: get a grip and grind, then I'm out of here

2037
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: with your finger. You got you gotta do that, because

2038
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 1: how are you gonna load a four pound bear? You know,

2039
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 1: they had to help me before, I like you, because

2040
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 1: the guys like it was just an explanation for his actions.

2041
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 1: It was just so big. It ran across the road

2042
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: and we had to shoot it. It was just do

2043
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 1: you feel a little like they got what they wanted

2044
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: out of the deal with by getting a picture? Did

2045
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 1: they really want to hide in the meeting? Yeah, they

2046
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: wanted that trophy, and who knows they wanted to vaculum

2047
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 1: to boot, but they want but a little trophy. And

2048
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 1: these guys there, those are some of the ones that

2049
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: you can actually look back and laugh because they weren't

2050
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 1: a threat to me or they probably weren't going to

2051
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 1: ever do it again, but they got caught. So it

2052
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: was just so big, so big. So one of the

2053
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: easiest ways that I see these these dumbasses getting caught Today?

2054
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: They posted stuff to social media, so it doesn't take

2055
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:54,120
Speaker 1: a lot of detective work to see a guy post

2056
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 1: him with a you know, uh, what was maybe you know,

2057
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 1: in the days, you probably were coming in on very

2058
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 1: much the beginning points of any kind of a flip phone,

2059
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, people taking camera stuff like that. What was

2060
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 1: sort of the dumbass approaches to getting caught? You know,

2061
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 1: you were doing some detective work there with blood of

2062
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: the fingers and things like that. You had you had

2063
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 1: to be sort of aware of your surroundings. But what

2064
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:17,560
Speaker 1: were the egregious ways that people tried to get caught? Um,

2065
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, it was just they couldn't keep quiet, and

2066
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, you'd you'd, uh, in certain instances, you'd work undercover,

2067
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 1: unmarked and go to a couple of different taverns and

2068
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 1: get right in there amongst them. Spend an evening at

2069
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 1: a popular bar with hunters. Yeah, and you start, you know,

2070
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: throwing out bear hunting and guiding or I want to

2071
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,760
Speaker 1: get into this, and oh, you need to talk to Bob.

2072
01:58:46,760 --> 01:58:49,200
Speaker 1: You know, what do you guys doing here? We're looking

2073
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 1: we're real estate folks from California looking for some property

2074
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:55,800
Speaker 1: to invest in and and then all of a sudden

2075
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 1: you started hearing all kinds of stuff. Back then, you

2076
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,320
Speaker 1: you really imagine that being the pathway into hearing all

2077
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. I mean, I know you mentioned that

2078
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:08,160
Speaker 1: the story that you when you're undercovered, but well, if

2079
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:10,920
Speaker 1: you're if you, I mean a lot of those undercover

2080
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:15,200
Speaker 1: ones in the book were specific I was working a guy. Oh, okay,

2081
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 1: so your story is Taylor do it? Yeah. But if

2082
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:21,880
Speaker 1: if you were you know, let's just say living in

2083
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 1: a small town and you had suspicions about you, but

2084
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 1: I knew you hung out at whatever two lanes, I'd

2085
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 1: send an undercover officer in there to work. You find

2086
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 1: out what he's all about. Uh. You know. An other

2087
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 1: funny thing is you guys had that deal where you're

2088
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: working an illegal reptile enthusiast had like all these illegal

2089
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:53,200
Speaker 1: snakes and stuff hiding his walls and stuff like that.

2090
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 1: But it was funny that he It's like a very

2091
01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:58,440
Speaker 1: small detail you mentioned the book because he kept his

2092
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 1: weed in a break open shotgun. That was like his

2093
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:05,600
Speaker 1: his hiding place was in his gun, right, So it's

2094
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,040
Speaker 1: just like such a weird place to hide your weeds.

2095
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:10,800
Speaker 1: So you break over the shotgun, it's all in the barrel.

2096
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:17,200
Speaker 1: Will never look here. You go into a search warrant.

2097
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:21,480
Speaker 1: You make the place safe, right, So the first guys

2098
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:25,480
Speaker 1: through the door, we put this guy in a handcuffs

2099
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 1: and he was in his bikini underwearld or forget that.

2100
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:31,800
Speaker 1: A sickening site. But then we had to make the place.

2101
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna go grab and check the guns, well,

2102
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:36,760
Speaker 1: just everything, you're looking for everything, you know, And and

2103
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: here's this gun leaning against the bed and we've cracked

2104
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,760
Speaker 1: it over to make sure the shell in the chamber,

2105
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:47,360
Speaker 1: and what's that baggy in there? And that was just dope. Yeah,

2106
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 1: that was a bizarre one. Now you talk about strange, Yeah,

2107
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, like tell people about what he had. So

2108
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 1: he had u just five different kinds of reptiles and

2109
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a reptile guy, and all the food for

2110
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:04,280
Speaker 1: him and everything. Man, when you walked in out house,

2111
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:08,120
Speaker 1: your eyes burnt from the ammonia from all the mice

2112
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:12,360
Speaker 1: that he was feeding these critters and h Anyway, we

2113
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 1: had some undercover officers work him that he had to

2114
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:21,600
Speaker 1: gaboon vipers, which are nicknamed the one step snake. They

2115
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 1: bite you you get one step and you're done. And

2116
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 1: so I was the search team lead on that one,

2117
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: and I had four or five officers in there, and

2118
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:32,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want any of them getting bit by one

2119
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 1: of these dark things. And and we couldn't find him.

2120
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 1: We had fishing poles, we were flipping out dirty clothes.

2121
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,879
Speaker 1: And for some reason, Paul, why were the search warrants

2122
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:46,040
Speaker 1: always in the worst places You can imagine? It's I

2123
02:01:46,120 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's just what they do. They're awful. Yeah,

2124
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Every search warrant we did, it

2125
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 1: was like another set of gloves on top of my gloves.

2126
02:01:57,720 --> 02:02:01,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gloves, gloves and gloves and both their houses

2127
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 1: and their cars. Oh, just terrible. We who are inclined

2128
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:08,840
Speaker 1: to have a search warrant issued for them tend to

2129
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:14,680
Speaker 1: be messy, I'd say, on a more than general rule, Yeah,

2130
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:17,120
Speaker 1: very so. Did you enter a really plush place and

2131
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:19,800
Speaker 1: they bring there and they bring their sex toys everywhere?

2132
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 1: That's why would you would you? When you're right through warrant,

2133
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:28,520
Speaker 1: you know you're you're pretty wide open in the areas

2134
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:31,320
Speaker 1: that you can search, And of course for a while,

2135
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 1: if you're you're specific I'm looking for an elk or

2136
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking for these snakes. But you also are looking

2137
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 1: for records and photographs. And when you when you start

2138
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:45,240
Speaker 1: looking through the photographs and and things of that nature,

2139
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:48,760
Speaker 1: you see exactly what Paul is talking about, some of

2140
02:02:48,840 --> 02:02:51,760
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, especially with a snaker. Well, then

2141
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:53,320
Speaker 1: you probably wind up I want to get back to

2142
02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:56,120
Speaker 1: the story, but you probably wind up with like collateral damage, right,

2143
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:58,760
Speaker 1: because you're in looking for snakes, but you can find

2144
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,560
Speaker 1: certain crazy ship that all sudden becomes like its own thing. Right,

2145
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,520
Speaker 1: So if it's in plain view right when you walk in,

2146
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:09,920
Speaker 1: here's a big bowl of pot back, then anyway that was,

2147
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, you could collect that with the with the

2148
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:17,760
Speaker 1: search warrant. If I'm looking for records and I go

2149
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:23,720
Speaker 1: through whatever his desk and find something, then if it's

2150
02:03:24,040 --> 02:03:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, let's just say it looks like a big

2151
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:29,680
Speaker 1: baggy of dope, I'd stop and go have one of

2152
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 1: you guys for that. We even did the same thing.

2153
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:37,560
Speaker 1: If you came across something in a place you could look,

2154
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 1: but it wasn't what you were looking for, we would

2155
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:46,440
Speaker 1: stop and get a separate search warrant. So this guy

2156
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 1: you use that as your probable cause or whatever the hell. Yeah,

2157
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:53,640
Speaker 1: Once we're in the door and it's written down in

2158
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:59,080
Speaker 1: a reasonable place to look for it, that's open um.

2159
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:03,440
Speaker 1: But Sky's caboon vipers were nowhere to be found. And

2160
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:10,080
Speaker 1: there was a Tucson Police Department officer there with arms

2161
02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:12,960
Speaker 1: about the size of an oak tree. And I walked

2162
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: up to the the bad guy and I said, look,

2163
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:17,360
Speaker 1: and I got a bunch of officers in here. We're

2164
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 1: looking for these snakes. We know they're here, and I

2165
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:23,160
Speaker 1: need you to cooperate with us. Where the snakes? I'm

2166
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:26,520
Speaker 1: p and Mr nice guy again, And the oak tree

2167
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 1: guy came up and grabbed him by the head and

2168
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:34,240
Speaker 1: gave him a little encouragement, and he said, there behind

2169
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:38,720
Speaker 1: the dresser in the bedroom, there's a hole in the wall.

2170
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:43,200
Speaker 1: And sure enough, we moved the dresser and here was

2171
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 1: a little round piece of plywood and you could spin

2172
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:48,600
Speaker 1: it to the side, and there's a hole in the

2173
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:51,320
Speaker 1: wall of the drywall, and that's where he keeps them.

2174
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 1: That's the weirdest. And we had a herpetology. Do you

2175
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:56,520
Speaker 1: think he threw them in there when someone banged on

2176
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:58,240
Speaker 1: the door? Was that like their high that's where he

2177
02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:00,840
Speaker 1: had because there was droppings and all kinds of stuff

2178
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:02,680
Speaker 1: in there. It seems like they could get yet night.

2179
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:09,480
Speaker 1: But I, I literally said, okay, that's really well. Herptologists

2180
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:12,960
Speaker 1: grabbed asked for a mirror, and he gets a mirror

2181
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:15,200
Speaker 1: in a flashlight and he looks and low there they are.

2182
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:18,640
Speaker 1: They're beautiful, and oh my goodness. And and I said, what,

2183
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:21,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get them out of there pretty

2184
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:24,640
Speaker 1: darn quick, or I'm taking a sledgehammer knocking this wall

2185
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 1: down and we're gonna get rid of these things. Oh no, no,

2186
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:31,320
Speaker 1: give me a chance. Long story short. He he asked

2187
02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:34,640
Speaker 1: for a couple of white mice and started dangling him

2188
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:37,760
Speaker 1: by the tails in the hole, and all of a

2189
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,200
Speaker 1: sudden he's and I was holding the mirror, and here

2190
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 1: they come. They're coming after those mice, and he had

2191
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:48,440
Speaker 1: the tongs and just snagged them up. In that in

2192
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:50,560
Speaker 1: the book, and there there's a picture of me walking

2193
02:05:50,640 --> 02:05:54,480
Speaker 1: out with a box with those two gaboon vipers. And

2194
02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to see. He was getting in trouble

2195
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,520
Speaker 1: just for like illegal wildlife traffic. So they they were

2196
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:05,760
Speaker 1: he was selling, uh, you know, commercialized trafficking of not

2197
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:10,040
Speaker 1: only a dangerous species, but prohibitive wildlife, and it was

2198
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:13,440
Speaker 1: it was really important they got these gaboons because they're

2199
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:17,320
Speaker 1: from South Africa in a very similar climate and uh,

2200
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, they could have been all over Arizona, who knows.

2201
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:25,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was a creepy one. Uh. One more

2202
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,560
Speaker 1: I got. I got a couple more, just general questions,

2203
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 1: um about how advice from you two hunters and anglers

2204
02:06:32,360 --> 02:06:34,760
Speaker 1: about how to interact with game words I think we

2205
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:36,400
Speaker 1: should talk about. But I want to bring up one

2206
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:38,839
Speaker 1: thing is you, Uh you talk a lot about experiences

2207
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:43,120
Speaker 1: with like robot deer and robot turkeys and whatnot, which

2208
02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:45,360
Speaker 1: seems like a help of a lot of fun. You know,

2209
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:47,680
Speaker 1: I told you earlier I was an avid duck hunter

2210
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:52,440
Speaker 1: and sitting in a blind watching a decoy is better

2211
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:56,520
Speaker 1: than shooting ducks. Uh. So we had turkeys, and we

2212
02:06:56,640 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 1: had elk, and we had deer, and it would we

2213
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:03,440
Speaker 1: we always put them out in areas where it was

2214
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:06,520
Speaker 1: just gonna be a no brainer that you had an

2215
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 1: intention to illegally take this credit and and so the

2216
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:16,360
Speaker 1: unit was closed for example, two turkeys, and we put

2217
02:07:16,440 --> 02:07:19,280
Speaker 1: a turkey out and we had robotics in them. So

2218
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:22,720
Speaker 1: you could move them with a little you know, gyro

2219
02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:27,080
Speaker 1: and truck comes by and comes to. Sounds like it

2220
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:28,880
Speaker 1: would be like when you set these things up, it's

2221
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: like the first set of headlights, here comes one. Sure enough.

2222
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:39,000
Speaker 1: It was pretty predictable. It was pretty predictable. And you know,

2223
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:42,160
Speaker 1: and I think you the scary part of that was

2224
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:45,640
Speaker 1: what we found, which actually we kind of got a

2225
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:49,160
Speaker 1: policy out to all the wildlife agencies. That is what

2226
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:51,840
Speaker 1: I want to ask about. The decoys were new, we

2227
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:54,720
Speaker 1: were we were one of the first agencies to use them,

2228
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:57,880
Speaker 1: and you know, there was we had to go through

2229
02:07:57,880 --> 02:08:00,760
Speaker 1: all the county attorneys and judges to to make sure

2230
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't considered entrapment. Yeah, you know, let me because

2231
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't set this up problem just

2232
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 1: real quick. What we're talking about is they can take

2233
02:08:09,320 --> 02:08:11,240
Speaker 1: so let's say it's illegal to hunt deer at night.

2234
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,920
Speaker 1: These guys will take a decoy and they'll actually make

2235
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:17,920
Speaker 1: it robotics, so it's heddle moving stuff and you just

2236
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:20,400
Speaker 1: set it out. So you just wait for some guy

2237
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:23,440
Speaker 1: to come out and start shooting at the deer at night,

2238
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:26,080
Speaker 1: or you go to an area that you can't hunt turkeys,

2239
02:08:26,120 --> 02:08:27,880
Speaker 1: but let's put a turkey decoy out and wait for

2240
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:30,400
Speaker 1: some guy to drive down the road and try to

2241
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:34,080
Speaker 1: kill the thing. And um, and then yeah, speak to

2242
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 1: the entrapment things. I always feel like it's a little

2243
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:38,200
Speaker 1: bit like you're kind of like tempting people, right. So

2244
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:44,680
Speaker 1: the courts and the county attorneys were were they encouraged

2245
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:47,800
Speaker 1: us highly. Don't put a big rack on a mule deer.

2246
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:50,760
Speaker 1: Don't make it a trophy, because now you're crossing that

2247
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:55,160
Speaker 1: line of possibly in trapman. God, it's the biggest deer

2248
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. I had to shoot it.

2249
02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:02,160
Speaker 1: So we would use little forked oors um and and

2250
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:05,720
Speaker 1: really the few cases that I actually went to trial

2251
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:09,400
Speaker 1: on always came out there. We didn't put the gun

2252
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 1: in your hand. If I stood there along the road

2253
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:18,120
Speaker 1: and said, look at that, it's a buck and a gun.

2254
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 1: Here's my gun, now, you know, clear in travement. But um, yeah.

2255
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:27,400
Speaker 1: We were doing a night deer operation one evening and

2256
02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:30,960
Speaker 1: up in the White Mountains, and it was on you

2257
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:33,480
Speaker 1: put these decoys on a turn of the road, so

2258
02:09:33,600 --> 02:09:37,720
Speaker 1: when the headlights came around in ninety degree turn, the

2259
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:41,120
Speaker 1: illumination of the ice hit you have to place it

2260
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 1: so you had a good backdrop backdrop you didn't, and

2261
02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:46,720
Speaker 1: you do a lot of recon to make sure there

2262
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:50,080
Speaker 1: were no camps around or ricochet bullets could hit a

2263
02:09:50,160 --> 02:09:54,920
Speaker 1: trailer or whatever, and picked the spot and then set

2264
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:57,720
Speaker 1: the set the decoy up, and we'd have a blind

2265
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:01,960
Speaker 1: right where you suspect to. The vehicle would stop on

2266
02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 1: the other side of the road so you can hear him,

2267
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:07,920
Speaker 1: and then we'd have a patrol rig ready to go

2268
02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: to uniformed officers about a quarter of a mile away

2269
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:15,280
Speaker 1: hidden ready to respond to the vehicle. So we're watching

2270
02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:21,280
Speaker 1: this truck parks and these guys get out and we

2271
02:10:21,880 --> 02:10:24,680
Speaker 1: in this case, there was the blind with the people

2272
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:28,720
Speaker 1: observing him, and then me and this other officer were

2273
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:33,640
Speaker 1: about a hundred yards away. Actually we were with that

2274
02:10:34,200 --> 02:10:37,480
Speaker 1: the vehicle to catch them, and but we're looking at

2275
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:40,440
Speaker 1: him with binoculars and we can see this guy coming

2276
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 1: towards the decoy and it's dark, and then all of

2277
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:47,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm looking and my partner's looking, and I say,

2278
02:10:47,960 --> 02:10:52,040
Speaker 1: good God, Kim, he's aiming at us. And when the

2279
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:56,240
Speaker 1: store case was all done and we apprehended them, we

2280
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 1: asked him and he said, yeah, there was a pair

2281
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:03,920
Speaker 1: of deer eyes on the other side the road too. Reflec. Yeah,

2282
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 1: so we immediately got out of thing to all the

2283
02:11:08,080 --> 02:11:13,360
Speaker 1: agencies saying, no binoculars on nighttime tecoy operations. Yeah, you

2284
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:16,160
Speaker 1: can see that being a little dicey. Yeah, tell about

2285
02:11:16,200 --> 02:11:19,040
Speaker 1: the guy you had, The guy you had that was

2286
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:22,800
Speaker 1: approaching the turkey when the turkey's head flew off. So

2287
02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:27,520
Speaker 1: that was funny that the guy actually responded when we

2288
02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:31,320
Speaker 1: stopped him. We were whoever was running the decoy was

2289
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,400
Speaker 1: a little bit vigorous and knocked the head off the decoy,

2290
02:11:35,280 --> 02:11:38,760
Speaker 1: and the guy stopped and he was in pursuit of it,

2291
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:43,160
Speaker 1: and we started approaching him. Hey, hold game and fish.

2292
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 1: And the guy look, hey, Sam, is that you said? Yeah,

2293
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,200
Speaker 1: and you don't in a small town, I knew most

2294
02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:52,560
Speaker 1: of the people. What do you what do you do? Oh?

2295
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 1: I knew it was a decoy and was, well, you

2296
02:11:56,600 --> 02:12:00,400
Speaker 1: got a shotgun in your hand, Oh, it's not loaded.

2297
02:12:00,440 --> 02:12:03,280
Speaker 1: And he leans down. He's got leading right on his toe,

2298
02:12:04,040 --> 02:12:07,720
Speaker 1: and I said, well, let's just make sure unlow peppoo

2299
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:12,920
Speaker 1: that goes off gravel shoots everywhere. And so that and

2300
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:17,040
Speaker 1: the guy was a hunter safety. It was kind of bad.

2301
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:25,240
Speaker 1: So you rent into a ball So, uh, what like,

2302
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:30,440
Speaker 1: based on all your experience doing that, UM, give us

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02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:35,040
Speaker 1: tips hunters and anglers, tips for how to how to

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02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:39,840
Speaker 1: engage with uh, how to engage with wardens in a

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02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 1: way that just makes d you know, decreases tension like whatever.

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02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:48,640
Speaker 1: Like if you had to give people some advice you

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02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:51,200
Speaker 1: get your license checked. Here's a couple of pieces of advice.

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02:12:52,040 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 1: Good question. Uh. Number one, I would just say, know

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02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,640
Speaker 1: that that officer put on underwear of the morning the

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02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:04,400
Speaker 1: same morning as you did. Here's a human being and

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02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:07,200
Speaker 1: they're out doing a job, and it's okay to be

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02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:09,600
Speaker 1: a little nervous because everyone is. Even if I get

2313
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:13,320
Speaker 1: pulled over on on the streets and I'm looking for

2314
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 1: my registration or something, I'm fidgety, So it's okay. But

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02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 1: just recognize that they're out there, um, and they're they're

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02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:24,240
Speaker 1: human being just like you. So it's okay to be nervous,

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02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:26,960
Speaker 1: to be you don't take nervousness as a sign that

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02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:30,280
Speaker 1: like you, don't take nervousness as a sign that they

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02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:32,920
Speaker 1: must be guilty. I almost looking at the opposite of

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02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:36,960
Speaker 1: your two cocky something's wrong you know or or but

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02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people are pol I know you've seen

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02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:42,720
Speaker 1: it where they're they're they're calm with you. They've been

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02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:46,160
Speaker 1: through at a time or two, and this is nothing

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02:13:46,240 --> 02:13:48,640
Speaker 1: new to him, where you know, all of a sudden,

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02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, how have you ever been checked by

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02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:53,880
Speaker 1: a game officer? Right? Not in a long time? But yeah, yeah,

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02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 1: were you nervous? Uh? Yeah? I was in my twenties,

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02:13:56,760 --> 02:13:59,040
Speaker 1: so it was quite nervous, even though I hadn't done

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02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:01,200
Speaker 1: anything wrong. I mean at that age, you like when

2330
02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:03,280
Speaker 1: you see a coffee, like turn the radio down, right,

2331
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:09,160
Speaker 1: Like you're just generally nervous, right, but you know, you

2332
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:14,160
Speaker 1: you try to calm your nervousness. I'd say they're human beings. Um,

2333
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:19,520
Speaker 1: if you're not doing anything wrong, there's nothing to worry about.

2334
02:14:20,200 --> 02:14:21,800
Speaker 1: How how do you feel about the guy that when

2335
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:24,560
Speaker 1: you pull up, he's already got his license out. Well,

2336
02:14:24,640 --> 02:14:27,760
Speaker 1: he's either been through the routine a couple of times. Uh.

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02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:30,880
Speaker 1: For example, if you check a common lake and you

2338
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,640
Speaker 1: see a bunch of fishermen that you park and start

2339
02:14:33,720 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 1: walking down there, there were people that literally would have

2340
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:39,000
Speaker 1: their license and you don't take that as a sign

2341
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:41,600
Speaker 1: of something or not. You're good, you're good. I didn't

2342
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:44,480
Speaker 1: even look with binoculars. We pull up on watercraft and

2343
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:47,000
Speaker 1: come to the shore and just look at alder license

2344
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:51,120
Speaker 1: up and you're good. But you saw me approaching, and

2345
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:53,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden your chair folded up and you

2346
02:14:53,160 --> 02:14:57,280
Speaker 1: started going up the hill. That's the way he matches.

2347
02:14:57,360 --> 02:15:00,520
Speaker 1: This is our trick. He talks about coming onto a lake.

2348
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:03,280
Speaker 1: He's always real curious and who has to get to

2349
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:07,680
Speaker 1: the rod very quickly? But we don't always we don't

2350
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:11,000
Speaker 1: always take a don uniformed warden. But if there's a

2351
02:15:11,080 --> 02:15:14,520
Speaker 1: row of a hundred fishermen, non uniformed officer would go

2352
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:17,360
Speaker 1: down on the other end, just a lot, just ship there,

2353
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:19,480
Speaker 1: just to see who really needs attend to the rod.

2354
02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:22,160
Speaker 1: And now I come out and I make a big display.

2355
02:15:22,240 --> 02:15:24,880
Speaker 1: I pulled right up onto the boat ramp. Get out,

2356
02:15:25,120 --> 02:15:29,760
Speaker 1: start walking. Here's three or four you gotta go. I

2357
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:35,200
Speaker 1: just called. Uh So, the funny thing about getting your

2358
02:15:35,240 --> 02:15:37,280
Speaker 1: license out is you want to get it out. But

2359
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:39,240
Speaker 1: then I always think that the war is gonna be

2360
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:43,000
Speaker 1: like why do you think I need to? Like like

2361
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:44,680
Speaker 1: it's a little presumptuous, Like how do you know that's

2362
02:15:44,680 --> 02:15:46,520
Speaker 1: what I want how do you know? So then you

2363
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:49,760
Speaker 1: stand there like should I offer it? Do you know

2364
02:15:49,760 --> 02:15:53,640
Speaker 1: what I mean? It's just like it's also awkward man. Well,

2365
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:54,920
Speaker 1: and if a lot of it has to do with

2366
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:59,040
Speaker 1: the communication of the officer, right, you always immediately it

2367
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:01,640
Speaker 1: come down and whole you're gonna say, how's it going today?

2368
02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:04,600
Speaker 1: Nice day out here? In it? You want to hear

2369
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:07,360
Speaker 1: that from a person, Yeah, talk to him a little bit.

2370
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:09,800
Speaker 1: If you walk up and it's an immediate you know,

2371
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:11,880
Speaker 1: I need to see your license what we're saying. You'll

2372
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:14,240
Speaker 1: ask them how it's going, sturn out, talk to him

2373
02:16:14,240 --> 02:16:16,520
Speaker 1: a little bit and how's it going to see you

2374
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:19,360
Speaker 1: got a couple of fish there? Does a warden want

2375
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:25,040
Speaker 1: the hunter angler to be chatty? At times? You're pretty

2376
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:27,920
Speaker 1: lonely out there, so it doesn't you know, So if

2377
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:30,240
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, how's it going, that doesn't it doesn't

2378
02:16:30,240 --> 02:16:33,080
Speaker 1: set off a red flag. No, I mean you can

2379
02:16:33,160 --> 02:16:37,000
Speaker 1: detect if there's something not quite making sense here. This

2380
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:40,480
Speaker 1: is a little false. Yeah, you could feel it. What

2381
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:44,280
Speaker 1: was your attitude towards self reporting? We did you were you?

2382
02:16:44,560 --> 02:16:46,680
Speaker 1: Did you actually? Were you actually able to be lenient

2383
02:16:46,720 --> 02:16:50,200
Speaker 1: to people that would self report absolutely, so what what

2384
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:53,560
Speaker 1: And And again even with that note, you know, if

2385
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:56,800
Speaker 1: if you make a mistake out there, uh, you know,

2386
02:16:56,879 --> 02:17:00,200
Speaker 1: turn yourself in. It's it's the way to go there.

2387
02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:02,760
Speaker 1: There might be a couple of horror stories out there

2388
02:17:02,840 --> 02:17:07,800
Speaker 1: where uh you wish you hadn't. But if if the

2389
02:17:07,959 --> 02:17:11,840
Speaker 1: officer finds out some other way and that you shot

2390
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:15,039
Speaker 1: the wrong deer or you you did whatever you did,

2391
02:17:15,800 --> 02:17:17,440
Speaker 1: and then things are going to go a little harder.

2392
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:21,440
Speaker 1: We had the luxury at least to work with our

2393
02:17:21,520 --> 02:17:25,320
Speaker 1: county attorneys and in many cases we just had jps

2394
02:17:25,959 --> 02:17:28,880
Speaker 1: that we could talk with justice to the peace was

2395
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:31,600
Speaker 1: the judge, and we could go in and see the

2396
02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:33,360
Speaker 1: judge and go I want you to know this was

2397
02:17:33,400 --> 02:17:38,320
Speaker 1: an accident, um, and the person called me, I showed up,

2398
02:17:38,879 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 1: We got the animal salvaged and and you know donated. Um.

2399
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:46,520
Speaker 1: So I just want you to know that I didn't.

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02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:48,680
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times they'd ask you, well,

2401
02:17:48,720 --> 02:17:49,920
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? What do you think

2402
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:53,120
Speaker 1: the right? Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, even

2403
02:17:53,160 --> 02:17:55,520
Speaker 1: on my side over there, that the same way if

2404
02:17:55,600 --> 02:17:59,040
Speaker 1: somebody self reports something or have an accident, was cooperative

2405
02:17:59,080 --> 02:18:01,680
Speaker 1: and just want to do the right thing. Even if

2406
02:18:01,720 --> 02:18:05,120
Speaker 1: a ticket got written, you had those conversations with the

2407
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:08,960
Speaker 1: prosecutors and the judges and say, this is not the

2408
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:12,680
Speaker 1: guy that needs to, you know, have the book thrown

2409
02:18:12,720 --> 02:18:14,400
Speaker 1: at him. We need to And a lot of times

2410
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:18,400
Speaker 1: they just get you know, dismissed or or you know,

2411
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:20,920
Speaker 1: if you're don't get in trouble for six more months,

2412
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:24,960
Speaker 1: it'll go away. Um. So yeah, by far, the best

2413
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:28,959
Speaker 1: way to deal with it was just to be upfront

2414
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:32,960
Speaker 1: about it. Sam. You're telling their story where this has

2415
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:35,360
Speaker 1: a little to do with like like discretion or or

2416
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, individual by interview, I was not thinking the

2417
02:18:39,680 --> 02:18:42,640
Speaker 1: right way to put it. But um, where you're able

2418
02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:45,480
Speaker 1: to take like a level of subjectivity to what's going on,

2419
02:18:45,640 --> 02:18:47,879
Speaker 1: and you talk about going into uh I think it's

2420
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:52,040
Speaker 1: an antelope poaching incident. We're going into a home and

2421
02:18:52,640 --> 02:18:59,160
Speaker 1: extreme poverty, no food already ate the thing like that.

2422
02:19:00,120 --> 02:19:03,880
Speaker 1: You ended up approaching that a little bit differently. Yeah,

2423
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:08,080
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's funny because um, as we said,

2424
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times, when you conduct a search warrant,

2425
02:19:11,680 --> 02:19:16,160
Speaker 1: the places are less than let's just say, the nicest

2426
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:20,200
Speaker 1: places you've ever seen. And yet I didn't have that

2427
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:23,199
Speaker 1: kind of feeling when I was issuing a search warrant

2428
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 1: um in the in the case you're referring to, it

2429
02:19:27,879 --> 02:19:33,080
Speaker 1: was an antelope that was allegedly poached. And when we

2430
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:36,840
Speaker 1: got to the location, I mean, these people were hurting,

2431
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:39,880
Speaker 1: said no running water, and they were cleaning a jack

2432
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:42,680
Speaker 1: rabbit the sink. There were there were flies all over

2433
02:19:42,760 --> 02:19:45,360
Speaker 1: the kitchen and about four jack rabbits in the sink

2434
02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:51,000
Speaker 1: and uh no running water, kids outside playing in dirt.

2435
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:56,560
Speaker 1: The meat that we found was wrapped in more of

2436
02:19:56,640 --> 02:20:01,000
Speaker 1: an ice box. It wasn't you know, kept fresh. So

2437
02:20:01,160 --> 02:20:05,920
Speaker 1: whatever they killed, they're gonna eat probably that week. So

2438
02:20:06,040 --> 02:20:08,160
Speaker 1: you gotta make a call to yourself. Am I getting

2439
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:10,840
Speaker 1: out of am I writing a ticket? You know? Or

2440
02:20:10,959 --> 02:20:12,840
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do here? And it was also

2441
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:14,800
Speaker 1: a young kid. I remember you just telling the mom

2442
02:20:14,879 --> 02:20:17,080
Speaker 1: like you gotta talk to your boy. I don't want

2443
02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:19,440
Speaker 1: to come back out here. I don't want to you know,

2444
02:20:19,560 --> 02:20:23,760
Speaker 1: we're we're leaving, but I'm gonna put you in touch.

2445
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:25,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of programs out there that can help

2446
02:20:25,879 --> 02:20:30,120
Speaker 1: you people, and programs that can give you food. And

2447
02:20:30,480 --> 02:20:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, the wildlife resource out here is sparse, and

2448
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:37,160
Speaker 1: you can't do what you're doing, so I don't want

2449
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:39,720
Speaker 1: to come back. You know that we do. We understand

2450
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 1: each other. Are we good? And it's kind of it

2451
02:20:42,440 --> 02:20:44,840
Speaker 1: was a touching story, man, Oh I was that was? Yeah,

2452
02:20:44,959 --> 02:20:47,360
Speaker 1: you went home that night and hunt your kid. Yeah,

2453
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:52,119
Speaker 1: that's good man. So tell people how to tell people

2454
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:55,520
Speaker 1: how to find the book. Well, it's funny because when

2455
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:59,880
Speaker 1: I did the bud Puddle story for the Campfire Tales,

2456
02:21:00,520 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 1: Savannah told me to give her my Instagram. I said,

2457
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:08,800
Speaker 1: I bought my wife an insta pot. I don't know

2458
02:21:08,879 --> 02:21:12,960
Speaker 1: what an Instagram is, so my daughter set up an

2459
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:18,039
Speaker 1: Instagram account. Is it properly? It says at Sam Lowry

2460
02:21:19,320 --> 02:21:21,920
Speaker 1: and on there is a link, so you wind up

2461
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:24,840
Speaker 1: getting at Sam Lawry. Someone else didn't have that. No,

2462
02:21:25,080 --> 02:21:28,880
Speaker 1: I got it. That's cool. Yeah, I think have you

2463
02:21:28,920 --> 02:21:32,160
Speaker 1: ever checked it out? Yeah, he'll check for us Sam

2464
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:37,480
Speaker 1: Laury and it s a M L A W R

2465
02:21:37,760 --> 02:21:41,760
Speaker 1: Y So that's on there. Uh and and and she

2466
02:21:41,959 --> 02:21:44,480
Speaker 1: told me to say you can find a link on

2467
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:48,560
Speaker 1: there to buy it. Uh. These proceeds from anything I

2468
02:21:48,680 --> 02:21:51,120
Speaker 1: make on this this go to my kids because she

2469
02:21:51,320 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 1: did the pencil drawings in it, and my daughter put

2470
02:21:54,840 --> 02:21:59,040
Speaker 1: it together through that account those third project. Now, yeah,

2471
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,840
Speaker 1: my stories are out there and I hope people enjoy

2472
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:03,480
Speaker 1: it and if they want to get it for a

2473
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:06,560
Speaker 1: stocking stuffer, go for it. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

2474
02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:10,000
Speaker 1: So again the title Stories of the Past an Arizona

2475
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:14,440
Speaker 1: Game Ranger Remembering the Outlaws by Sam Laurie and of

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02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:21,560
Speaker 1: course also Paul Lewis support. Paul go to f HF Yeah,

2477
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:28,160
Speaker 1: fish on fight, Yeah, American made accessories, all kinds of

2478
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:31,280
Speaker 1: cool ship. More stuff coming out any else. Y're on,

2479
02:22:31,400 --> 02:22:34,200
Speaker 1: You're good, feeling good. I'm good? Thank you? All right,

2480
02:22:34,360 --> 02:22:35,760
Speaker 1: everybody take care. Thank you,