WEBVTT - Is the pullout method fine actually? 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.880 I'm Manny and this is Devin, and this is no 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.080 such thing. The show where we settle our dumb arguments 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.720 in yours by actually doing the research. Today we're talking 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.840 about sex ad birth control in the case for pulling out. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.279 I think the general vibe is that everyone does it, 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.000 but nobody wants to talk about it. 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:27.280 There's no no such thing, no such thing, no such. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:37.960 Thank thank all Right, fellas, this is gonna be an 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:42.880 interesting one. Uh scared. We we as a friend group, 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:44.680 do not do a lot of locker room talk like 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.760 our like our president. So we'll try to keep this 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:53.920 a little PG. Thirteen. Yes, if you're listening with young children, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.560 I'm glad they're a fan of the show. But maybe 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.400 they should skip this episode. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.600 Or maybe they should keep listen where they. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.680 Can listen to it. And then at the end we'll 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.720 they actually should have skipped it. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.919 It's too late now, so. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.760 Let's start the conversation here. Have either of you had 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:20.800 the talk? No, no, this is crazy, not from parents, 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:27.200 So neither of you had the talk with your parents. No, no, 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:29.200 didn't come up. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:36.640 Yeah, don't worry about this ship. Yeah, your parents were like, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.919 you're not gonna have to worry. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.039 I did have the conversation with my dad. I had 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.360 to be I was young. I had to be like ten, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:50.960 nine or ten. It was you know, it was a 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:55.040 very top level conversation. Did so growing up? What was 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.160 the conversation around like birth control contraceptive did you guys? 0:01:59.200 --> 0:01:59.280 Like? 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:00.720 Was it just through school? 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:01.160 Dude? 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.640 Your parents weren't like, hey, make sure you stay safe? Yeah? 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.760 It was mostly through school, and we we were in 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.040 one in a neighborhood that school, like public school systems 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.960 were like, we really got to beat it out of 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.240 these kids specifically, so we had that kind of sex 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.040 said that was like everyone, get a ring. You are 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.240 now a little bit. It was all like abstinence. They 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.560 sent us home with the baby dolls that yeah. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:30.680 You know they do that on Love Island. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:41.160 Come on Beautiful Baby Boy, Cry maybe you and they're 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.960 like twenty something and that show. Yeah, yeah, I was, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.120 I must have been thirteen or something. 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:47.560 How was that experience for you? 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.160 I remember it, like, you know, I don't think it 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.160 works as nearly as well as the programs think it does, 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.560 because you know, it's not real. It's a fake doll. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.239 I like hit it under some pillows and like cover 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.600 so I didn't hear it crying. It really was like, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.040 I know, mean girls has a scene like this, but 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.320 then they're parioding the kind of sex at that I got, 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.680 which is like, if you even touch someone, you're gonna die. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:13.560 I guess we'll never know what I missed on that 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:14.840 first day of health class. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.040 Don't have sex because you will get pregnant and die. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.480 And uh yeah, it was not very effective because in 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:27.600 my seventh grade uh school trip to d c to 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.440 the kids were going off in the back of the 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:36.040 bus on the bus and she got pregnant. Wait they 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:43.240 were wait going off Okay, but anyway, like that was 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.400 one of the schools I think where they went hard 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:46.600 on like sex heads. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.480 Because they were about teenage pregnancies. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.280 Yeah, and it just kind of backfires, I think. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.800 I mean, you know, it was all abstinence based though 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.360 there wasn't any talk about. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.680 It wasn't like if you're gonna have sex, do this 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.839 and this and this. It was all like, don't even 0:03:58.880 --> 0:03:59.520 touch each other. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:03:59.960 Look at it. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:06.160 Yeah, Okay, I really I remember doing like health class. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.760 I really don't remember any sex said except for like 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.840 we watched a baby being born video. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:12.880 Yeah, but like I don't. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.279 I really don't remember anything. It certainly wasn't like abstinence education. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.000 I don't remember anything about like like you see in 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.320 movies or whatever, like they're putting a condom on a banana. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:26.560 Abstinence wasn't something that stressed. I don't remember. In school, 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.320 sex head was very sort of like anatomy based. A 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.039 lot of the conversation was around anatomy, right, So it 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.280 wasn't really like real world here's what's gonna happen, here's 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:39.840 what you should do, but it was like a big 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.240 fear of like pregnancy, like you know, both in school 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.120 and outside of school, was just like, yeah, you're too 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.320 young to be having sex, but if you are going 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.159 to be having sex, make sure you're using protection. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.920 Yeah, because you not want it's too pronged. Yes, you 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.080 shouldn't do it, but if you are, yes, here's what 0:04:59.080 --> 0:04:59.680 you should be doing. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:00.279 Yeah. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.200 I kind of what I remember is more just learning 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.200 about how someone becomes pregnant, like as far as like 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.800 looking at diagrams and like parts, more than like like 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.000 reproductive yeah more yeah, just like more reproductive health than 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:17.960 like education on like how to, yeah, how to do 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.039 how to or how not to. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.640 As we hear from Manny he had friends at a 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.920 young age that were sexually active. What was the sentiment 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:30.760 amongst your friends when you were kids around sex and protection, Like, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.719 were people talking about using condoms, already talking about not 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.440 using condoms, already talking about other methods of birth control? Like, 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.240 for example, I remember in high school the kids who 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.080 were in sort of like long term relationships talking about 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.480 how their girlfriends were on the pale so they did 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:48.360 not use condoms. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.000 Yeah, I remember, I remember stuff like that. I don't 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.320 remember much like anti condom sentiment. I think there wasn't 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.080 enough in my circles going on for it to be 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.800 like cool to not like it's like all right, if 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.760 you're going to do it, then you'd use this and 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:04.919 that's that's great. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:05.280 Yeah. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.200 I think there were I remember certainly, you know a 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.159 few people who like wanted to seem cool or whatever 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.520 edge you're talking about how, oh my god, it's way 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:16.240 better without a. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:16.960 Condom or whatever. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.880 That went on throughout high school, yeah, and even college. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.960 Okay, so this brings us to the topic that we're 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:31.839 going to talk about for today's episode, the pullout method. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.200 Do you remember anything specifically about the pullout method? As 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:41.720 a kid, I guess I'll start. I remember hearing as 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.680 a kid, don't do that. It's bad. Yeah. Yeah, pull 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:51.920 out method is is not safe. Even before you finish. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.440 There may be some things that come out that could 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.760 think perhaps pre yes, it just. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.599 Takes one second, just takes one second. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.960 Yeah. And it's also like, hey, you don't know when 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.200 it's gonna happen, do you don't have It was a 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.040 lot of like, you can't trust yourself to do this. Yep, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.440 don't put yourself in a situation where you have to 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:14.720 do that. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:15.600 Yeah. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.160 Essentially, I remember in part of the abstinence program that 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:23.480 they had us do uh talking about how pulling out 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.800 is not going like you think you're safe, but you're not. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.920 So don't think that this is a you know, a 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.840 way you can get out of it. Get around them. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.480 You're still gonna have a baby that's gonna be crying 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.840 all night and your parents won't help you. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.520 And yeah, you're gonna have to drop out of school. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.600 Your life is gonna be ruined. You're not gonna go 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.160 to college, not to be successful, You're gonna be poor. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.800 Yeah yeah, and I and I remember them saying it. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.680 But also I was believing it too. Yeah, sense I 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.000 was like, damn, yeah, okay, there's some science here that 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:56.800 I don't understand. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.840 Sounds right to me, or I might argue, yeah, yeah, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.920 I'm not going to be the one. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.440 Exactly, I'm not righting the research lab on this. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.679 No, what if I told you that the pull out method, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.760 according to this article, is as effective as male condoms 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.440 when used correctly. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.480 As effective. I'm very surprised to hear that. I'd I'd 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.120 be scared i'd be able to tell you that. 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.640 Let me be accurate. The article says about as effective. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:34.120 Okay, okay, about as effective. That surprises me. I could 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.640 you know, I can tell you that it is effective 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.080 and based on experience, but I would never argue that 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.480 it's about as effective as I always thought. You know, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:45.560 there's a pretty big risk. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:47.439 Yeah, I guess I. 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.640 I'm curious to hear it out. Am I gonna personally 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.400 recommend this to someone asking me for, you know, sex advice, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:55.720 which happens often. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:58.880 Not not at. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.120 This point, but let's hear him out. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.120 So we'll be sitting down with the author of this 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.959 Slate article, the Case for pulling Out, Andrea Becker. That's 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:20.439 after the break Hey, do you have a conspiracy theory 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:24.200 that no one in your life can convince you is fake? Well, 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.480 send us a voice memo at Manny Noah Devin at 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.480 gmail dot com and we may feature you in our 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.440 upcoming episode. And by the way, we'll just do this 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.000 now so we don't have to do it again in 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.839 the credits. But if you're a fan of this show, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.520 go right now. It's it's a break, so you have 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.880 time rid us five stars and share it with a 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:55.679 front All right, back to the show. Okay, we're back. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.960 I'm Manny, I'm Noah Devin. And in the studio today 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:07.199 we have Professor Andrea Becker. She is a sexual reproductive 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.880 health researcher. She's a professor and most importantly, a friend 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:13.320 of the pod. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:14.200 True. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.200 Welcome, Welcome, it's great to have you. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:18.280 Great to be here. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.160 And thanks for pretending that this is a studio, not 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:21.679 my living. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.480 It's a studio to me. These lights, studio lights, it's 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:27.440 right lights. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:28.920 And you have a. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:30.880 Book coming out, and I have a book coming out. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.360 It's called Get It Out on the Politics of Hysterectomy. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.840 It's out in July, but available for pre order now. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:44.680 So Professor last year for Slate, you wrote an article 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.719 titled the Case for pulling Out. First of all, do 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:58.080 you stand by that absolutely? You know, just wanted to 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:03.760 make sure. So what was you know, the inception of 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.360 this article. What was the first time you thought about 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.080 pulling out. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.760 I've been thinking about pulling out since I was in 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:20.920 high school, I guess. Academically, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, academically awesome. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.520 So I was in an honors anatomy class, and I 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.600 guess our teacher was a pretty radical guy, and he 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.920 told us about the female reproductive cycle and how there's 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.880 only three to five days where you can actually get pregnant. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.080 And I didn't know that, especially compared to the abstinence 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.000 only sex education that I had had. This was in 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.280 North Carolina. They basically say, don't have sex, and we 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.199 won't explain anything further. Our teacher also implied that if 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.480 you are even naked in the same room, you could 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:58.280 get pregnant, and she didn't elaborate further, so I didn't 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.720 know what she meant for many years. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.000 I got like vibes based intercourse. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:03.240 No clue. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.400 Still, I wish I remembered her name so I could 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.240 ask her. But yeah, so figuring out that there's only 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.400 five days out of the month where you can feasibly 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.240 get pregnant, and he said that he himself and his 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.160 wife had relied on pulling out and that it worked. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.280 Did he use that phrase specifically? 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.760 I believe so, though I will. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.240 Say that in the research it's referred to as the 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:30.680 withdrawal method or my favorite coitus interruptis is hoitus interrupted? 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.560 That sounds like I'm like a kid made up. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:33.560 That's Harry Potters. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. JK. Rowling came out with that one. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.920 So you were told this in high school and then 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.160 it was sort of on your mind and you wrote 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.880 this article. So you've been thinking about it this entire time? 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:51.360 Yes? 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.600 Or did this something recently happen that you're like, oh 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.200 my god, I'm remembering my high school teacher talking about 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:56.680 pulling out. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.760 No. Nothing, well, I guess getting into the space of 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.120 sexual and reproductive health researchers, I noticed that there was 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.600 a big divide among researchers and providers about withdrawal. So 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:15.160 some are very adamant that it's part of like sexual 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.280 and general autonomy, that you should be able to learn 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.360 about this method, that you should be taught the right ways. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.280 And then there are a lot of providers and researchers 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.120 who say that it's not a form of birth control, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.200 that it's really irresponsible to even talk about it. There's 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.480 a lot of really stigmatizing language around it. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:35.760 So some people still. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.679 Call it the pull and prey method, as if you 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:43.000 need to use it in conjunction with religious practice, that 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.000 God needs to intervene in order for it to. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.000 Work, okay, because it's so unreliable. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:54.480 Most recently, someone that I really admire, a professor, said 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.040 something like, oh, you know what we call people who 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.840 pull out parents m So even researchers. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.200 With this is I hate to say, but that's a 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:09.199 bar It is a bar line. They're wrong, but it's 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:10.040 a great line. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.400 So okay, that's the like you're saying, that's researchers. What 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.800 has been the vibe with just like your friends and associates? 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.840 Is that a simil Because we were talking about earlier. 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.160 I think it's a similar sentiment of just like pulling 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.920 out like worst case scenario, but like that's not plan A. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:31.680 Yeah. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.240 I think the general vibe is that everyone does it, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.400 but nobody wants to talk about it. And so even 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:44.160 within researchers. Interestingly, so the there is a reproductive health 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.480 conference that I go to every year. It's like a 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.240 really large conference, and one of the researchers who attends 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.840 every year did a survey with the various members. I 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.000 think she surveyed over three hundred people about the various 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:01.160 contraceptive methods that they use, and around seventy six percent 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.960 said they relied on withdrawal. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:03.560 Wow. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.880 Why so it's the same people counseling patients to not 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.960 use it and writing papers about how everyone needs to 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.680 be on the IUD they're they're pulling out. Around sixty 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.400 five to sixty six percent of the population rely on withdrawal, 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.239 and this is about equal among young people in adolescents 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.720 as well. But a lot of people use in conjunction 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.960 to other methods, So they're using withdrawal and also using 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:33.720 condoms or using withdrawal and birth control. So there's responsible 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.480 ways to use it, and it doesn't mean you're it's 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.680 your only method necessarily, So that's okay. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.440 That makes that number make a little bit more sense 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.560 to me. How much So sixty five percent of people 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:50.000 are saying they just use withdrawal period but some combination 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.360 OLiS people are using withdrawal and combination with maybe birth 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.320 control or condoms. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.880 But in terms of your primary form of birth control, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.000 the latest data from twenty twenty three, so two thirds 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.800 of women have at least at some point relied on 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.080 withdrawal as their primary form of birth control. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.680 So we now know how many people rely on pulling out, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.520 but I want to know how effective it actually is. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.840 Okay, So in a large national study, eighteen percent of 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.840 couples who solely rely on withdrawal will have an unplanned pregnancy. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:35.400 That's anonomy. So what we're talking about. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.720 The condoms is seventeen percent. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.400 Oh yeah, correctly. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:48.240 I'm not doing this anymore. So these numbers that Dray 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.120 is referencing actually come from a two thousand and eight 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:56.320 paper published in the journal Contraception. The researchers looked at 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.200 a bunch of studies and found that with typical use, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.320 so you know, not getting it perfectly right every single time, 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.280 eighteen percent of couples who rely on a pull out 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.040 method could expect to get pregnant within a year. With 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.560 typical use, seventeen percent of couples who rely on condoms 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.479 can expect to get pregnant within a year, and if 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.960 you're using these methods perfectly. So let's say with the 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.560 pull out method, the person with a penis pulls out 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:27.000 every single time for ejaculating. Only four percent of couples 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.880 relying on a withdrawal method can expect a pregnancy within 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.400 a year, and with perfect condom use only two percent 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.840 of couples can expect a pregnancy within a year. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.680 What is perfect? U? 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.280 Yeah? Yeah, what does that look like? Because I think 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.359 we all have an idea in our mind, right, but 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.320 you were talking about even days that you can get pregnant. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:55.640 So yeah, if this is my primary form of a contraception, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:56.440 what am I doing? 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:57.159 Yes? 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.320 So there definitely needs to see some communication between partners 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:06.760 and so generally the semen should come nowhere near the 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:12.199 person's vagina, and then if there are multiple rounds of 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:17.840 sex happening, the person needs to urinate in between because 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.720 the person with the penis. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:22.639 Good question. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.080 I think everybody, probably. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:28.640 Everyone should be after sex. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.920 As I'm learning from you know, Hannah Horror asks and girls, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:34.720 it is important to pe after sex. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.320 It is you can get a U t I if 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.400 you don't did yes. 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.920 And with men Hannah Horror from Girls. 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:48.080 Made putting the show called Girl Girls. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:50.160 A couple of seasons. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.840 But so after ejaculating, sperm can live in the urethra, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:03.200 and so urinating can will kill those spurs, like flush 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:03.600 it out. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.280 And push out, So you're gonna clean up eviction p 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:12.280 if you're doing multiple rounds both for UTIs and pregnancy purposes. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:13.440 Everybody just go pee? 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.160 Yes, everybody just go pee? 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:19.399 Is really good. And then is there a window where 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:20.399 you should be doing this? 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:20.560 Right? 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.440 You're talking about there's like three or four days where 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.560 a woman there's the only window that a woman can 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.119 get pregnant. And now that I think about it, I 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.800 did know that because when people are trying to get pregnant, 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.840 they're like, oh, I'm in my window. We gotta go. 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:33.680 Yes. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.320 It's interesting because women and men tend to only learn 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.560 about this window when they're trying to get pregnant. We 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.719 don't teach people this when they're trying to not get pregnant. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:44.440 Wow, that's really interesting. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.840 So around two weeks after your period, so right in 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.200 the middle of your cycle, you ovulate, and so generally 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.760 five days before ovulation and the day after you shouldn't 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:03.960 have unprotected sex. With the idea that maybe there's sperm 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.120 in the person's pre com. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.840 Yes, this is one of the primary reasons why I 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:15.760 have historically been told to not due to pull out method. Right, 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.000 it's like whatever, you think, you got it under control, 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.000 but you may pre come. Yeah, can a woman actually 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:22.359 get pregnant from pre com? 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:23.720 Really good question. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.280 So pre com doesn't necessarily have sperm in it, okay, 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.800 but some people maybe have a little bit of sperm 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.640 in their pre com. So semen is the general fluid 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.679 that comes out during ejaculation, okay, and sperm is the 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:41.440 sex cells within there. 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.280 The likelihood is lower, but it only takes. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.880 One sperm okay. And of course there's really limited research 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.840 on this. There's a few studies on it, some of 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:56.160 them they're typically really small numbers of men that they sample. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.200 But we need a huge national longitude survey of pre come. 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:02.520 If I was the. 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:08.359 One, if I was setting the agenda for research, I 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:09.119 would be doing that. 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.480 So I guess what is your kind of response to 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.000 our middle school teachers who are like, pre come will 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.840 do it. I hear you're not necessarily disagreeing with that, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:24.800 But in terms of pulling out as a contraceptive method. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:31.720 Yeah, I think I understand why public health professionals and 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:38.240 sex and teachers don't want young teenagers to know about 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:43.040 withdrawal as a legitimate form of contraception, because if it 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:47.800 has even higher rates of failure, that's you know, however, 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.520 many kids that are getting pregnant they don't want to, 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.440 and so on like a national scale, that's a lot 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.840 of people getting pregnant when they don't want to. Yeah, 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:02.199 but if you teach people or the proper technique, the 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:07.080 right knowledge about their cycle, so yessch pre com can 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:11.600 get you pregnant, but not if you're not ovulating. So 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.080 if you're ovulating, we're a condom. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.520 So basically they're saying they're wanting to be basically misleading 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.920 for our better good. But you're saying, actually, the best 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.440 way to do that is be as transparent as possible. 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:25.720 Yeah, knowledge is power. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.520 There's also just like a mistrust that people will use 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:35.679 birth control methods correctly at all. So there's this huge 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:43.639