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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man Welcome back, George Norri back with Carol Obli. Spiritual

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Speaker 2: medium and author. Carol has done more than fifteen thousand

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Speaker 2: group and individual readings fifteen thousand. She provides grief support

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Speaker 2: and teachings about the afterlife, and is recognized by clients

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Speaker 2: for bringing compassion and integrity to mediumship. She has a

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Speaker 2: book coming out in a few months called The Art

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Speaker 2: of Sensing, a Guide for staying true to your soul's

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Speaker 2: journey through challenging times. Carol, welcome back. How have you been.

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Speaker 3: Good to be back.

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Speaker 2: Good to be back with you too. What's new?

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Speaker 3: Well, as you said, the book is coming on, will

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Speaker 3: be coming off, and readings and readings and readings. That's

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Speaker 3: basically my life.

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Speaker 2: Is it finally finished?

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, The Art of Sensing it's been finished.

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Speaker 3: It's actually available for pre ordered now through Amazon. The

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Speaker 3: actual publishing day will be May first.

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Speaker 2: Now, how did you get involved in mediumship?

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Speaker 3: I was born and then that sounds kind of weird,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't discover that until many years later. And

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Speaker 3: that was, you know, I was in my thirties until

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Speaker 3: I was called onto the pathway. But I believe that

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Speaker 3: mediums are born, not made. And you know, it seems

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Speaker 3: like today everybody is claiming to be a medium. True

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Speaker 3: mediumship takes many, many years to develop. It's certainly not

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Speaker 3: something that you can do overnight, take a weekend workshop

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Speaker 3: and become a medium. So it takes many, many years

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Speaker 3: to develop a self confidence, to develop accuracy, and to

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Speaker 3: importantly establish that connection with spirit.

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Speaker 2: In the beginning, when you were starting to do this,

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Speaker 2: how did you know that you were connecting with spirit

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Speaker 2: and that it wasn't just something within your mind.

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Speaker 3: The short answer to that is by feedback from people

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Speaker 3: who were recipients of those readings. And you know, over

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Speaker 3: the years, I mean this is almost three decades for

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Speaker 3: me of practicing mediumship at least in this lifetime, so

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Speaker 3: you know, feedback from people through emails, phone calls. Some

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Speaker 3: of those might be you know, months or years later

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Speaker 3: that have received feedback from the things that were communicated

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Speaker 3: within a session. So it takes a long time to

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Speaker 3: really develop that level of trust.

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Speaker 2: And by this time, Carol, I bet you have a

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Speaker 2: pretty good definition of what the afterlife is.

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Speaker 3: I do and it's really right here. People have often

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Speaker 3: asked me that, and you know, through a lot of

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Speaker 3: interviews and so forth, where is the spirit world? So

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Speaker 3: the answer to that is it's right here. It's not

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Speaker 3: a place per se, it's a state of consciousness. And

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Speaker 3: with mediumship, what is occurring is a blend of two souls.

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Speaker 3: One of those souls is me, and actually I should

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Speaker 3: say probably three because the recipient is included in that too.

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Speaker 3: But the soul who no longer has a body is

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Speaker 3: blending with my consciousness. And that's how medium showed this possible.

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Speaker 2: Do you cut deals with souls?

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Speaker 3: Cut deals meaning have sole agreements and so forth. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of people don't understand that. They kind

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Speaker 3: of misinterpret it and think, well, it's something that I'm

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Speaker 3: going to remember, it's something that you know, why would

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Speaker 3: I sign up for that or whatever. In my most

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Speaker 3: recent book, Wisdom from the Spiral World, I wrote about,

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Speaker 3: you know, the agreements that we make with other souls.

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Speaker 3: Seldom do we remember that, but the challenges that are

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Speaker 3: there will bring up those particular you know, agreements that

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Speaker 3: we've made. George, it's always a two way street, so

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Speaker 3: meaning that both souls have agreed to that. It's never well,

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Speaker 3: I want you to do this, and you know I

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Speaker 3: don't have a part in that. So it's always a

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Speaker 3: two way street. Meaning I don't like the word contract.

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Speaker 3: I say that they're blueprints, and that's how I refer

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Speaker 3: to those, you know, made between two souls.

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Speaker 2: Karen, what are soul pods?

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Speaker 3: Another word for pod is group, and I call them

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Speaker 3: a pod. I call them a pod often because kind

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Speaker 3: of like you know how how sea creatures will will

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Speaker 3: That's what a soul group is. A group of souls.

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Speaker 3: expressed or defined by Carl Hume, the famous Swiss psychoanalysts.

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Speaker 3: So examples of archetypes or you know mother, father, a caregiver,

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Speaker 2: Have we humankind been obsessed with the after life since

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Speaker 3: I believe so, because I'm very tuned into the Egyptian culture.

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Speaker 3: I believe I've had several incarnations there, and you know,

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Speaker 3: they had a whole story, as many cultures did, of

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Speaker 3: the afterlife and when the soul would leave the body

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Speaker 3: and go into the afterlife, that was the new journey

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Speaker 3: of that soul. And they believed that the soul would

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Speaker 3: need certain vital organs like the heart or you know,

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Speaker 3: the liver or whatever, and so they would put those

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Speaker 3: know that that's not true because we don't have a body,

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Speaker 3: but the afterlife has always been something that people have

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Speaker 3: wondered about and wanted to explore and delve into.

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Speaker 2: How do people find out about their soul pot how

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Speaker 2: do they get information about it?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the first thing is to really do

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Speaker 3: sort of this self assessment. What are you drawn to,

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Speaker 3: what interests you? And importantly, what do you do naturally?

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Speaker 3: What comes to you very naturally that you don't you know,

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Speaker 3: you don't even perhaps have to think about when you're

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Speaker 3: isn't training involved, but what calls to you and that

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Speaker 3: gives a lot of clues to your soul group. In

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Speaker 3: other words, this is a natural cause, something that you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe even as a child, you were drawn to one

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Speaker 3: of the things that I mentioned in the book. And

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Speaker 3: I actually started out in the art of sensing with this. George.

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Speaker 3: I was about ten years old, and it was Saturday evening.

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Speaker 3: I was with my mom and the Miss America pageant

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Speaker 3: that was her you know, demonstration, and I remember being

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Speaker 3: said to my mom, I got very excited, and I said,

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Speaker 3: And my mom kind of just you know, sloughed it off,

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Speaker 3: a very early stirring with my soul of getting into mediumship,

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Speaker 3: you know, interpreting messages, giving messages to people that are

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Speaker 3: You know, oftentimes we can go back in years and

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Speaker 3: think about what we were very much attracted to or

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Speaker 3: our soul's calling, or our soule group.

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Speaker 2: How critical, Carol, is the soul to the human body.

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Speaker 3: Well, we wouldn't be here without the soul because the

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Speaker 3: soul or the divine which lives in every single person

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Speaker 3: and also in animals. I might add every blade of grass,

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Speaker 3: divine that animates the physical. So without that animation, and

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Speaker 3: So that consciousness is withdrawing from the fiscal body. The

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Speaker 2: Why do we reincarnate?

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Speaker 3: That's all part of the soul's evolution and the constant

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Speaker 3: reason why we're here. That is the only reason why

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Speaker 3: the experiences that the soul has on the physcal plane.

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Speaker 2: What determines when reincarnation stops, where you don't keep you

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Speaker 2: dying and reincarnating and dying, And what determines that.

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Speaker 3: When we become unified with the divine or what I

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Speaker 3: call spirit, that's with the capital as, not like you know,

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Speaker 3: when we are one, and that's also called atonement, at

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Speaker 2: That was a kid, and I mean a kid, I

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Speaker 2: would say that we stopped reincarnating once we reached that

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Speaker 2: state of heaven. I think I was right right.

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Speaker 3: You were see you were right on George. Yeah. And

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Speaker 3: if you think of the saints, you know the saints

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Speaker 3: longer have to reincarnate because they've gone through on those

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Speaker 2: And of course, when you stop reincarnating, you're at that utopia.

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Speaker 2: You made it right.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and you know then there's another group of the

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Speaker 2: When a person dies, Carol physically dies and their soul

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Speaker 2: leaves that body, do they know what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Not always, George, because some people, and they're you know,

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Speaker 3: No, I have the utmost compassion for people who go

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Speaker 3: then there's others who die and say, why am I?

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Speaker 3: Why is my body down there? And I'm up here?

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Speaker 2: Do souls communicate with other souls in the afterlife?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, one hundred percent. And you know, something striking

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Speaker 3: most people understand that and know that. But we also

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Speaker 3: can meet up with friends. I can't tell you how

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Speaker 3: many readings I've done in which, you know, the communicating

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Speaker 3: spirit will give the name of a particular person that

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Speaker 3: they're with and it was a it was a friend

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Speaker 3: that they were close with when they were here on

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Speaker 3: the fiscal.

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Speaker 2: Plane who died.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so just as we have friendships here, we

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Speaker 3: can you know, meet up with that friend in the

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Speaker 3: spirit world. And the other thing. George and I think

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Speaker 3: most people, most of your listeners would would understand this.

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Speaker 3: We can also meet up with pets that we've had,

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Speaker 3: and there are many readings I've done in which pets

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Speaker 3: will appear. Sometimes they're with other family members of you know,

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Speaker 3: the recipient of the reading. Sometimes they just come through

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Speaker 3: on their own. Now that's it. If they have not

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Speaker 3: reincarnated themselves, you know, that's dependent upon do they need

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Speaker 3: to stay in the spiral world for a length of

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Speaker 3: time or are they ready to come back for another

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Speaker 3: experience in the fiscal plane.

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