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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in over on the zoom call.

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Speaker 1: Here we've got our super producer, the one and only

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Speaker 1: Max Williams. Give him a hand, give him to give

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Speaker 1: him three? How many hands? Who do who? And who's that?

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Speaker 1: Who's that hood? Who went over there? That's that's me,

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Speaker 1: old Brown? Oh, I said my last name. I think

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Speaker 1: I've ever said that. My last name is in fact Brown.

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Speaker 1: For anyone that didn't know, um, you ever watched the

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Speaker 1: Great British Baking Show or The Great British Bake Off?

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Speaker 1: Is it as somehow? Sometimes I referred to I do oh,

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Speaker 1: I should introduced myself. I'm beat, I've forgotten that part. Yes,

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Speaker 1: who who is? Who is who? I was directing that question?

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Speaker 1: So so I have, Like many people, I find it relaxing.

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Speaker 1: It was sort of. It's it's got a what you

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Speaker 1: would call its head lasso vibe that really does you

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Speaker 1: know what? It really does? Yeah, and my boy Noel

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Speaker 1: Fielding from the Mighty Bush. Very controversial decision to install

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Speaker 1: him as the comic relief on that show alongside Um

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Speaker 1: Matt Lucas I think is his name, who was in

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Speaker 1: Little Britain, but no Fielding bit of a weirdo and

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that he goes over there. Yeah, totally, totally.

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Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite. He's he's one of the

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Speaker 1: few guys with my name that is, you know, looms

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Speaker 1: large in pop culture. The other one is Noel Gallagher

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Speaker 1: who's kind of a jerk, so definitely expent to old

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Speaker 1: Fielding has he though he's put us through a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know what even is a wonder wall Um. I

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Speaker 1: only bring this up bench because they do a thing

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Speaker 1: on on the Great British Speaking Show where every week

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Speaker 1: it's like a different theme. They've a biscuit week or

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Speaker 1: trumpet week or pie week or whatever Japanese week. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what we're doing that they don't own that,

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Speaker 1: they don't own that, then we're gonna do that. What

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Speaker 1: what we what week is it for us? We are

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Speaker 1: We're introducing a theme this week which is historical heist. Uh.

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Speaker 1: These are as you know, a long time ridiculous historians.

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Speaker 1: We love a good hist tale. In the heist, you

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Speaker 1: can see uh, this cinematic scope of humanity. You can

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Speaker 1: see the highs the lows. You can see inspiration, you

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Speaker 1: can see villainy. And we thought, you know, we would

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Speaker 1: today kick off this week by having a story that

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Speaker 1: is technically a heist, but it's it's a heist, maybe

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Speaker 1: not in the way you would expect. It's a story

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Speaker 1: of inspiration, it's a story of audacity, ambition, it's ultimately

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Speaker 1: a story about freedom, and it's an amazing story that

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Speaker 1: we feel very fortunate to share with you. Uh, there

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Speaker 1: is a guy we'd love to introduce you to. His

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Speaker 1: name is Robert Smalls. So Robert Smalls if you've never

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Speaker 1: heard of him. Um, let's make it cinematic. Let's lean

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Speaker 1: into this. So there is a great like opening scene

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Speaker 1: from a book called Be Free or Die, the amazing

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Speaker 1: story of Robert Small's escape from slavery to Union hero.

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Speaker 1: And no, you wanna you want to kick us off here,

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Speaker 1: let's let's set this up and and Max, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: lean on your amazing sound design powers. Okay, So that

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Speaker 1: the logos popped up right, rh blah blah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: and then we fade out and it's nighttime, darkness still

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Speaker 1: blanketed the city of Charleston in the early hours of

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Speaker 1: May eighteen sixty two, m As a night breeze carried

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Speaker 1: the occasional ringing of a ship's bell competed with the

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Speaker 1: sounds of waves lapping against the wooden wharf. We're a

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Speaker 1: Confederate side wheeled steamer named the Planter was moored the

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Speaker 1: wharf stood a few miles from Fort Sumter. Were the

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Speaker 1: first shots of the Civil War and fire just a

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Speaker 1: Robert Smalls stood on the deck. In the next few hours,

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Speaker 1: he and his young family with either fine freedom from

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Speaker 1: slavery or face certain death. Yeah, I think we stopped there.

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Speaker 1: This is the moment, and we want you to have

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Speaker 1: this young man's life. Let's learn a little bit about him,

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Speaker 1: There on May thirt so Robert Smalls is born on

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Speaker 1: The story of Small's father is largely lost to history.

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Speaker 1: with PBS, we know that the slaver family the McKee family.

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Speaker 1: The patriarch of them was John McKee. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: some historians to speculate that perhaps John McKee was Robert's

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Speaker 1: biological That's all the detail that caused historians to lean

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Speaker 1: most in that direction. Uh And speaking of historians, highly

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Speaker 1: recommend checking out Henry Lewis Gates Juniors article on PBS.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a transcript of a series that this historical,

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Speaker 1: wonderful historian did called the African Americans Many Rivers to

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Speaker 1: Cross Um. So you can find that on PBS dot

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Speaker 1: org just search for Robert Small's Henry Lewis Gates. Don't

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Speaker 1: want to read you the headlined quite yet because it's

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Speaker 1: kit of a spoiler. But you're right then, a lot

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Speaker 1: of times the history of family lineage in these slave

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Speaker 1: He he had, He had friends, and he would hang

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Speaker 1: in this community. Most notably, he ignored the curfew that

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Speaker 1: make no mistake, It's not the same as like apparent

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Speaker 1: spanking a kid with their hand. This is a traumatic,

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Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous thing to do to someone. You can lead

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Speaker 1: to death, that will leave scars, right, so, absolutely so

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Speaker 1: Robert ended up in the Beaufort jail pretty frequently. And

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Speaker 1: And he's lived a lot of life by the time

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Speaker 1: of them included a lamplighter, which is exactly what it

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Speaker 1: sounds like, a Steve Dore forman Steve a door for men,

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Speaker 1: a waiter, again being shown a little bit of preferential

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Speaker 1: but it got converted to carry supplies between forts in

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Speaker 1: So let's fast forward. It's spring. It's a sixty two.

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Speaker 1: Civil War. Smalls is still working aboard the Planter, and

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Speaker 1: cognizant that he is working for the enemy, for the

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Speaker 1: people who want to keep him enslaved. Right, It's not

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