1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast club morning. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Everybody is tj Envy Charlemagne the guy. We are the 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: breakfast club. We got a special guests in the building. Yes, indeed, 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Monty Jones, welcome back. While you get that seat and 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: I got to sit over here and this joint you know, 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: y'all y'all are throned out. Y'all are really minimizing your 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: guests with this whole strategy. How does that work? We 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: have multiple guests, like and so who gets the throne? 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Sound like y'all just need a whole bunch of thrones. 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Like I've seen this like Kylie Coward he said that 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: set up, but his desk was up here and his 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: guests would be sitting down there. Lebron always sitting in 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: the high chair on the shop. Everybody else sitting on 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: the ground. I see what this is. Well, Charlemagne, bout 15 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: the thrones? Okay? Were about the thrones? I thought because 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: he was short, he wanted to be a little highest 17 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: is the reason I thought. But you just never know. 18 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: I just like to set up. I like how it 19 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: looks to a camera. But welcome brother, even to a 20 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: game theory? Man, Yeah, man, how are you feeling. Hey man, we're, 21 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, out here on the stroll selling these ways 22 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: for everybody, anybody that wants me to walk to stroll 23 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: to look pretty. That's the end of like the trickiest 24 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: part of it. But doing the show itself, Man, it's 25 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: been great like this. I mean, this is the thing 26 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: that I always wanted to do, and now we get 27 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: to do it, and we get to keep doing it. 28 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: At least we get to keep doing it through this season. 29 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't get to make decisions past that. But we 30 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about today. So let's jump 31 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: right into Super Bowl this weekend. Who you got and why? 32 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: All right? I'm going with the Chiefs. And I don't 33 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: know if the Chiefs are the better team, but I 34 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: just can't pick against my homes. Man. How's his leg though? 35 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: How's his foot? I mean, he got two of them, 36 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like one of them might 37 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: not be as good as the other one was, but 38 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: he got to like and I made this mistake the 39 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: last time they had the Super Bowl, Like, I'm not 40 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: picking them because they had my homes because that got 41 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: me in trouble when they lost to the Bucks. But 42 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: I can't pick against him. Well, then that Super Bowl 43 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: you probably could have after of who they were playing, well, 44 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It wasn't about Tom Brady. It's when I 45 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: turned the TV yall and saw they had all them 46 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: back up offensive linement, and immediately I was like, I'm 47 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: gonna be wrong on television the ball Like sometimes you 48 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: just look up. The game doesn't have to go. I 49 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: just saw to du that left tackle who got Cam Newton. 50 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Damn they're killed in that Super Bowl. I was just like, up, 51 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you're wrong. Yeah. Now you did say, Tom Brady, 52 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Brady finally retiring? Dude forty 53 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: six years old? Like, I don't even understand what the delivery. 54 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: He's still competing, He's still competing, But some of the 55 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: dudes that are hitting him into kidneys like this, this 56 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: is just me personally. I would imagine at that age, 57 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: I am forty two, and I know how much you 58 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: can hurt just working out, just waking up. Yeah, yeah, 59 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: this dude's out here get getting buy out by everybody, 60 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you know, I think I might 61 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: want to do that, na na na nah. So I 62 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: am amazed that he pulled it off for as long 63 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: as he did. And I am glad that he walked 64 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: away before it got to be terribly embarrassing because he 65 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: was gonna be out here next year. It was gonna 66 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: be depressing for all of us think oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 67 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: what if he don't went to San Francisco or something. 68 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: It's still been looking depressing. Man. Everybody gets old. Like 69 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: I know, he got out as a stretching and his 70 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: strawberry ice cream and everything else. But in the end, 71 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he can't eat strawberries. That's his thing. He 72 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: does not eat strawberries. Everybody gets old. And I think 73 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Cass like him and Lebron have fooled us into thinking 74 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: that you can live forever. Nope, everybody that's thought they 75 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: could go forever, it's gone one day too long. And 76 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: me to sit there and cry, well, we never we 77 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: had We really never saw Brady have a decline. I 78 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: just don't think he had the team around him this year. Yeah, 79 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: And that's why it's good to get out ahead of 80 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: that clime. It's coming, like no matter who you are, 81 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: it's coming. Now. You mentioned Lebron, is Lebron the goat. 82 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: Now he's about to pass the record in the next school. 83 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: A couple of days, the conversation is coming back. No, 84 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: why no, because there's a dude named Jordan. I agree, 85 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. That's that's no insult to Lebron. 86 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: But like I remember, at one point, it's like fifteen 87 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: years ago and I was doing radio and I would say, 88 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: Lebron James is the best player I ever saw, and 89 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: I had this whole clinical argument, like he does this 90 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: better than Mike, he does this better than Mike, he 91 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: does this better than Mike, and I could go through 92 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: all of that, and then you go to YouTube and 93 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: you're like, what was I talking about, Like none of 94 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: this matters. There was that dude, and then there's everybody else, 95 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: like the last dance, which was so funny because it 96 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: was so clear that Mike looked around and was like, 97 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: these kids just think I'm about some shoes. I need 98 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: to show them who they are. And then I watched it. 99 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: It was like, YO, great idea, Mike, because I don't 100 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: see how they could watch this and think anything other 101 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: than there's never been anything like this before. No insult 102 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: to Lebron, you know. But I also think that part 103 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: of the scoring record of what's important to him is 104 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: he's still making that case, right, I have a case 105 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: against Jordan, assist and scoring everybody. I'm just here to 106 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: tell you, I don't think you have a cay. It's 107 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: cool to be yourself, right. You just gotta realize you're 108 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: not gonna convince us like the people who you have 109 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: not convinced it's over. That decision has been made. The 110 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: ones that know you cool, they're gonna ride with you, 111 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: and they're gonna decide this is your program. Everybody else. Now, 112 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: we made our call. I don't have bron over Kobe, 113 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: and I think it's wild. See I think that's crazy. 114 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. We always think Kobe is the 115 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: closest thing to Jordan, right, and people don't want to 116 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: give it to Cobe. That's steven Na Smith say. I 117 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: don't want to give it the Kobe because all he 118 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: did with mimic Jordan. You know how good you gotta 119 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: be the mimic Mine don't know. I give him credit, 120 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: But that's like saying that Shane is better than somebody 121 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: because he's the closest thing to Biggie. Now, great, Kobe's 122 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: a lot better than Sean was as a rapper, But 123 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: it's just like he reminds me of isn't quite enough. 124 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Lebron got too many victories. Like I know Kobe has 125 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: the championships, but that run basically from twenty ten to 126 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen, when he's going to the 127 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: finals every year and the only thing that's constant is Lebron. James, 128 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: y'all only do that with Braun When it comes to 129 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, nobody said the Bills one of the 130 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: greatest football teams of all time. They went to the 131 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: Super Bowl four times, but they didn't go to Super 132 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: Bowl eight times, and they didn't win the four right, right, 133 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: But they didn't. But if they had won a couple 134 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: of long the way we could talk about Like I'm 135 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: an Atlanta Braves fan, right, I don't say they're the 136 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: greatest baseball run of it just because they had fifteen 137 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: straight division championships or anything else, but Lebron being the 138 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: constant between two franchises and a whole bunch of different 139 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: ways to get this done. Nah, man, you can't. There's 140 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: no shade as you can throw on what he I'm 141 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: not throwing shade. I'm just saying he's the person that we, 142 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, we make a concession too when it 143 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: comes to not winning. That's fair. And when Kobe was 144 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: missing the playoffs and out here the last four years 145 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: looking you know, beat down and everything, stay passed problem, 146 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: that's right, but you cut them slack for it, Like, 147 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. We cut Kobe a lot 148 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: of slack. He was hurt. I think the one thing 149 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: that Braun doesn't have that Kobe has that Jordan has 150 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: is the will to win. There was just something different 151 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: about Jordan when he was on the court in those 152 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: final minutes. You knew he wasn't gonna lose this game. 153 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: The same thing with Kobe. Brun not so much. See, 154 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: I disagree. I think Kobe had the will to take 155 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: shots every time. Like when we talk about the mama 156 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: mentality stuff like it's it's been long enough now that 157 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: we can have an honest reassessment of Kobe. And so 158 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: the thing for me about that is every time you 159 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: hear about Kobe and the drive and the passion and 160 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: everything else, it's all about one man. Kobe's thing is 161 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: I am going to get myself all the way right, 162 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: and if the rest of y'all do it, we're gonna 163 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: be cool. Right. What made Braun different than Kobe was 164 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: I can take Braun out here with four dudes that 165 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: we get off a fifth avenue, and he'll be like 166 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: Buddy from the sand Life. If you go stand over 167 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: there and hold your glove up and just stand right there, 168 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: the ball's gonna come to you. That's what Lebron's got, 169 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: what Kobe's guy is. Man. If y'allould just give me 170 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: the ball and just let me get these buckets, this 171 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: will be our best chance. I don't see that as 172 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: the will to win. I see that as the will 173 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: to be the person who does the thing. Jordan was 174 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: like that, Jordan. I think part of that's the North 175 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Carolina thing, where now then you had to get a 176 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: ball to somebody else and then go figure it out. 177 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: But Jordan had a better understanding the team dynamics. They look, man, 178 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm not an only child, but I grew up kind 179 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: of as an only child playing basketball in a driveway. 180 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: That's Kobe. Kobe got a driveway game, right. He got 181 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: all by himself, moves all that stuff. When you imagine 182 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: you ain't got to think about nobody else. He's shoot 183 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: doing crazy fall aways. And everything else because you're playing 184 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: in the driveway by yourself and then he gets out 185 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: with other people. And that was the whole thing with Kobe. 186 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: The whole way was like figuring out how to interact 187 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: with other people. It was a human thing. But I 188 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: also think it was a basketball thing. And I go 189 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: with Lebron for that reason. Over that, like when Lebron 190 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: had that squad and No. Seven, Kobe can't get that 191 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: team to the finals in the East or either way, 192 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: because that's not how Kobe gets down. Lebron out here, 193 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: got Jeff McKennis out here looking like something that he 194 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: never could be. Yeah, now, Kyrie, Irvy, that was just mean, 195 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: that's what I do. Now he just got traded to 196 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: the Mavericks. What's your thoughts on on Kyrie? Does that 197 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: make that team better, worse or it doesn't matter. I 198 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: have no idea, and I don't think anybody. I don't 199 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: think anybody has no no. But he's another dude that's 200 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: in a similar place where his individual game is just 201 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: so incredible, like saying, he's the best ball handler that 202 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, not even close, right, But how many 203 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: games he gonna play? He got all kinds to not 204 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: show up, not coming to work. Now he's dealing with 205 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: a dude who's not accustomed to give him the ball 206 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: to anybody else. Neither one of them plays especially well 207 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: off the ball, But I don't But with the nets, 208 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: I don't feel like they got better either. Like this 209 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: is the rare time I look at the trade and 210 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: be like, oh, everybody wanted to do words. Huh. Ain't 211 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: that so? Because I told Kyrie he was like, you know, 212 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: the word was out that he might sit for the 213 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: rest of the year if he doesn't get traded. Yeah, 214 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: I bet you want that Max deal. You're gonna get 215 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: out here and play because that's all you can do 216 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: to get this money. That the worst, I should say, 217 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: the worst let down to NBA history ever. James Harden, ever, 218 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: Durant ever, Kyrie ever ever doesn't make any sense. First 219 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: of all, they played like a game and a half together, 220 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: like in some total. But no, ever, I can't think 221 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: of anything. Remember how we thought about that year the 222 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: Lakers got Gary Payton and Carl Malone and they were old, 223 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: and we thought it was a let down When they 224 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: went to the finals. These dudes won a series, one 225 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: single solitary series and I'm just waiting to figure out 226 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: when they're gonna trade Kevin Durant. But what do you do? 227 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: What do you do with Kevin Durant? You to Brooklyn 228 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: nets And if you are Kevin Durant, what do you 229 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: want to go? Well, I can't go where it's the 230 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: best place for me to Wars she had never left. 231 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't blame them for leaving, like I didn't blame 232 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: Kyrie for leaving Cleveland, the same way I didn't blame 233 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Durant for leaving Goldstake. I didn't blame Kyrie for leaving 234 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: Cleveland because he left Cleveland at the same time that 235 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: I left Highly Questionable to go do High Nude High. 236 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: The Questionable was a very successful program. If I want 237 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: to do that for the rest of my life, we'd 238 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: have been down there making easy money living in Miami. 239 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: But I needed more right like it wasn't I was 240 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: had a very nice seat in somebody else's car. I 241 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: wanted to drive a car, So sometimes you gotta go 242 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: drive a car. Right. That's where ky he was when 243 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: he left Cleveland. What if you're not a driver, though, 244 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: well he thought he was a driver. I personally believe 245 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: that I was a driver, But I have to say 246 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: that car I drove on high dude didn't quite stay 247 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: on the road right. Luckily I got another chance to 248 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: drive a car, but he wanted to be a driver. 249 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: You deserve a chance to see if you can do that, 250 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: if somebody would give you that opportunity. With Durant, can 251 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: you imagine being possibly the best player on planet Earth? 252 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: And they'll never love he as much as this other 253 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: dude right here, And everybody loves Steff right, So if 254 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: it comes down to a battle of like who side 255 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: we got, you're never gonna win over Stepp. And in 256 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: fairness to Steff, always say this, we don't let that 257 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: man be a person. And so we act like, oh, 258 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: step will have no problem with Kevin Durant being very 259 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, it'll be easy. I assure you. It was 260 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: not right. That man's got an ego, just like everybody 261 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: else has an ego. So you on somebody else's team, 262 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: you and somebody else's city, you're the best player in 263 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: the world, and nobody cares because it's his And so 264 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: he I felt like Durant one of something that was 265 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: more his own. Except the problem was he brought his 266 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: fuck up homeboy with him, and it became his team 267 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: because when you're the one that messes everything up, it 268 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: becomes your team because you're the one that we got 269 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: to worry about all the time. And Kevin Durant, that dude, 270 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: he's so cold that you never have to worry about him, 271 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: and that gets old, man. That's right, that's right. Speaking 272 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: of Steph, I love talking spots. You know what, we 273 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: can talk about so many other stuff. And I asked Stephen, 274 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: they the same question when you talk about generations, right, 275 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: when you look at Stephan Braun over the last ten 276 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: fifteen years objectively, who who whose error really wasn't This 277 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: is a this is a spicy one that I've been 278 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: dealing with and trying to figure out myself, because the 279 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: truth is Steph Curry won four championships on Lebron's watch, 280 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: that's right, and beat Broun twice, beat him twice three 281 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: times actually yes, three times, three times. Yeah, And there's 282 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: no way around that he beat him on his watch 283 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: while Lebron was still in his project. Let's say the Warriors, 284 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: and I don't think this is going to happen, but 285 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: let's say the Warriors won a championship, this year, and 286 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: that would mean that Steph had five championships and Lebron 287 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: has four. Okay, I could say Lebron's a better player 288 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: than Stuff. How could I say that the era did 289 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: not belong to step step changed the game. He revolutionized 290 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: the game of basketball and ways Braun didn't everybody played 291 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: like stuff. Yeah, it's tricky though, Lebron couldn't revolutionize it 292 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: because you look at Broun and you're like, oh, I 293 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: can't do that, right, Like it just it's just not 294 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: an option, right, Like I can't. I can't, Like there's 295 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: no way that I could ever look in the mirror 296 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, I got that, No, and I 297 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: was not happening. You feel like abouteff shooting, right, But 298 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: that's the problem. People feel like that they can't do 299 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: that shit either, Like I can't imagine coaching a youth 300 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: league basketball team right now. For Yeah, I thought he 301 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: was chucking. I was like, he has to be chucking. 302 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: The way he was shot looked like he was chucking. 303 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, man, I was that year that 304 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: Steph killed the NC double A tournament I covered. I 305 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: was in the building for the first two rounds. I 306 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: even told him because It kind of like changed the 307 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: trajectory of my life because I was there and in 308 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: between jobs, and I was watching that and I was like, no, 309 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: I gotta be around this forever. Like it was that 310 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: big a thing. But he was out there, He's like 311 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: a hundred four five pounds. The jersey was falling off 312 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: of him and dog, he was just demolished. And then 313 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: they played gonzag in the first round. They had a 314 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: couple of NBA players. He's just doing it to him playing, 315 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, just playing with regular old dudes who could 316 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: get into Davidson. Right. Then they played Georgetown the next round. 317 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Georgetown was the number two seed, and Georgetown should have 318 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: won day game. But that's a whole nother discussion. And 319 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: Steph's doing all that and you watch it and you're like, well, 320 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: he can't do that in the NBA because he's just 321 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: too small. That was all it is. And then you 322 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: realize after they changed the rules in the NBA, actually 323 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: he can do this in the NBA. Right, So he's 324 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: one of these dudes we question really just because the size. 325 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: It was never a question of whether or not you 326 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: had the talent or anything else. But man, if you 327 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: put like a couple of tattoos on that dude. We 328 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: talk about him like he's Alan Iverson because he's got 329 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: handles like that. He had all of it, and at 330 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: every turn he's like, I'm better than y'all think, and 331 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: we're like, but stuff, we think you're the greatest shooter 332 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: ever because you're really No, No, he was better every year. 333 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: I got to wind up coming on the microphone and 334 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: being like, guys, I swear I was saying this stuff 335 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: was really good, but you were right. I did not 336 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: say he was as good. I know the next time 337 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: might see him, he gonna have something to say to me, 338 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: because he finds out everything everybody says that it's little 339 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: bideous slight, and he's gonna say something to He ran 340 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: up on one of my homeboys who comes to the 341 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: league because we had had a podcast discussion where I 342 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: was trying to make the point he's a system player 343 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: but also the system, but all that got heard was 344 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: he's a system player. This is years later. He walks 345 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,239 Speaker 1: up to my man. Not bad for a system player, Huh. 346 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't think cats understand. I don't think people, Yeah, 347 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: I don't think people quite get what kind of dude 348 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: he is he just went to Christ's schools. That's all 349 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: it is. But like but otherwise now here like us. 350 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: Statement makes all the sense in the world though, because 351 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: he is the system, but the system is built around him. 352 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: What it is and the point we were trying to 353 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: make is there's a lot of guys where you'd be like, yo, 354 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: we need to win the game. Put four dudes at 355 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: the bottom, you at the top. You gonna make it happen. 356 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: He's not the first choice that I make to do that, 357 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: which is different than guys that are typically that good. 358 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: Ain't nobody trying to hear nothing that came after that though, 359 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: shape and then a boy, we're out there one another one. 360 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm not dig in the playoffs. I never not sleeping 361 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: on golden thing. Never know. That's the Clay Thompson is not. 362 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: What Clay Thompson was becomes the hold up. My thing 363 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: with the Warriors is it's hard to play for now 364 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: and play for later at the same time if you 365 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: have the opportunity. My thing is, I trade them young dudes, really, Wiseman, 366 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: Moody or Commander Really, if I could get Kevin Durant back, 367 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: I'll trade them all. Yeah, I mean of course yes, 368 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: but I trade out like one or two. It's hard 369 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: to have a bunch of dudes in their thirties and 370 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes it's like twenty one and like 371 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: make your team happen at the same time. That's just me. 372 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: I would get the young dudes out of there to 373 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: try to win while I got Steff. And if I'm Steph, 374 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: I go in there kicking and screaming about it as 375 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: the NBA getting too violent. Now, I seem like that 376 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: people are fighting more violent. I've always said, it's not violent. 377 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: It's getting back to it. He's getting back to the Detroit, 378 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: New York. You know why, because good basketball doesn't make 379 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: people watch. Passion makes people watch. Correct, Like you think 380 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: about that terrible basketball or the nineties of the late 381 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: two thousands where you got finals games where a team 382 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: is scoring in the fifties, But we view that more 383 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: nostalgically than the game we watched. Now. We like watching 384 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: dudes elbow with each other. We like watching dudes put 385 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: each other around. And I said something on Game Theories 386 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: the first words the season one where I was like, 387 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: you realize, that's a whole generation of NBA fans that 388 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: have never seen their favorite players in the fight. We 389 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: have seen every single one of our favorite players everything 390 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: fight somebody John, all of them top to Bobs, Yea 391 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Kobe ever did we ever? We had never seen any 392 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: of these cats fight. So like that level, I'm down 393 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: to see some pushing around. Like one of my favorite altercations, 394 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: Joe ll NB and Karl Anthony Towns had one because 395 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns was like, look, I know the rest 396 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: of y'all think I'm gonna sucker, but I'm not taking 397 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: that from you, and finally decided he was gonna fight him. 398 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: Now where I get worried, you'll see this story about 399 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: John Morant and the laser beam was gone to ye on, 400 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: this is my only thing about that. Okay, now you're 401 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: from not too far away where he's from from something. Yeah, 402 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: I don't know what part of South Carolina that is, right, 403 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: like in terms of like what it's like on the ground, 404 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: but a country country. People don't understand that country got 405 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: real also right, I don't know how he rolls, how 406 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: he gets down, but I know a lot about Memphis. 407 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: And you can play this game with that laser dot 408 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: on the team bus with the Paciers. If you want to, 409 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: and if you want to play these games with your 410 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: NBA friends, go ahead, watch your step in that city 411 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: that you live in. And that's my thought about that, 412 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: Like if you ride around with your partners and that's 413 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: they get down and you still got these dudes around you, 414 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: which makes me wonder what you and your daddy be 415 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: talking about. He had every single game and you still 416 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: riding around the dudes. That's laser beam and strength. Like 417 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: people like, like, what exactly are you talking about? But 418 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: I hope he's careful. I really hope. There was the 419 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: other story. I don't know if you saw that. Somebody 420 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: sued him, um basketball playing basketball at the house. Yeah, 421 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: you're I was team job. Basically, some young man that 422 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: he's known forever was playing ball at his house and 423 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: they had some heated altercation and the young man says 424 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: he accidentally threw a ball that whiz passed Jah's head 425 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: and y'all looked around allegedly and said should I do 426 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: it to him? And they said yes, and they gave 427 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: that board the beats um, but he was like seventeen. 428 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Now that comes down to a philosophical question 429 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: as to like how old how old is old enough 430 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: to get your ass kicked for acting like? How b 431 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: seventeen year old? Somebody? Seventeen year olds pretty big man. 432 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: I think seventeen was enough for me. Like at seventeen, 433 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: I recognize the girl. Man, like what my ass? But 434 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: then they say the NBA did an investigation and find 435 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: out they couldn't confirm the laser star. Yeah, they couldn't 436 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: confirm it. But uh, here's what I here's it's sound 437 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: like they couldn't confirm they couldn't confirm that the laser 438 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: was tied to a gun. Ridge is fair, and I 439 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: think it's in all likelihood and boards are just playing 440 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: around in the car with a laser. Reje had one 441 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: this morning like that. I think we all like maybe 442 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm just from Texas. We don't play like Shannon Sharp. 443 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: What's your thoughts? I love Shannon All getting with a 444 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: couple of people on the court because at one time, 445 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: if you agree with somebody in the corn like that, 446 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: you get thrown out. I love Shannon though. Shannon is 447 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: one of my favorite. You're not getting kicked out of 448 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: the Staples Center whatever they call it now when you 449 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: the number one lebron James fat right, let's go there. 450 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: My my favorite thing about that though Dylan Brooks he 451 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: was ready for that. Dylan Brooks didn't want that. I 452 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: think it was Desmond Baine was the other dude that 453 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: came over there. Desmon Vaine. They really want that either. 454 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Steven Adams, Oh, suddenly we have a fair fight. Steven 455 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: Adams feels no paid because it perfects to pay, like 456 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: like he had to reach on Shannon to mother dudes 457 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: who sh had a sharp would to beat the dog 458 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: shit out of the listen. You know before you go on, man, 459 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: I was talking about game theory. You do game theory 460 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: by yourself with talking about Shannon. When you see these 461 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: heated altercations that Shannon and Skip Bayler's get into it, 462 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: even saw stephen A and Jay get into yesterday. Jay williamsay, 463 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: that's just something that comes with the territory. It kind 464 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: of depends on the dynamic that you have with your 465 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: co host. But yeah, that can I mean, you think 466 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: about it, man, Them dudes is up there holling at 467 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: each other for two and a half hours day, right 468 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: like y'all eat here kicking it right like like the 469 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: nature of your show is not antaggonistic. Right, y'all. They 470 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: go at it and with the ego the Skip has 471 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: and I know Skip, I know, like I don't know 472 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: them like real close, but I know them well enough 473 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: to talk about it in this context. And what happened 474 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: was like I saw another woman with Shannon and Skip, 475 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: and I may be out of turn because I don't 476 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: work at that network, but Shannon didn't have to say, 477 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: you could have took down the tweet. No, no, no, 478 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: just let that go. Just let that go. And Skip 479 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: didn't have to be like, I'm not gonna take it 480 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: down and let me explain why and didn't. Whatever the 481 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: old fight was happened right in front of each other. 482 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: And what I've said and I hope for them is 483 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: this this TV thing that back and forth only works 484 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: at the people think you like each other, Like if 485 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: they know you don't like each other, feel like you 486 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: don't like each other, it doesn't go court has and 487 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: will bond scream at each other and may be heated 488 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: at each other sometimes but always at the end as 489 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: a reminder that they like each other. Stephen Ay and 490 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: Jay got a little bit of a different dynamic because 491 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: it ain't their show, it's his show, and the last 492 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: thing I saw on there, and I haven't talked to 493 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: either one of them about this, but Jay did something 494 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: that would have got me right there with Steven Ay 495 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: with stephen A is like, Yo, you always tell me 496 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: what you find interesting. Why don't you just say what 497 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: you mean? Like, no, hold on, we're not doing passive 498 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: aggressive about this, Like stephen A. Smith is not a 499 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: person that's here for your tiptoe. He's right here say 500 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: what it is that you think. But on this issue, 501 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: they've gotten in these arguments. I was trying to YouTube 502 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: the full segment and I found another one and them 503 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: holing at each other about Kyrie Irving right, like it's 504 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: that one is particular and in ways seems personal to 505 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: both of them for different ways. Stephen Ay, he got 506 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: contacts with those people over there and talking to them, 507 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: and every now and then they'll be like, yo, I 508 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: don't care about you or your daddy. So like it's 509 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: clear they got their thing. Jay Williams went to do. 510 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: Jay Williams is from their New Jersey school Basketball World, 511 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: so they both bringing whatever their things are into this. 512 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: But they got shows where people just like arguing each other. 513 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: None of the shows I've been on dan ain't Bill 514 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: for that. Me and him couldn't hoilight each other like that. 515 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: Oh God, if I hollow that poplo like that on television, 516 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: they send me to jail. Like it's just it's not 517 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: or at least I get to tension. It's not. The 518 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: dynamic did not allow they stop Asian hate all kind of. 519 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: But our dynamic and our interaction didn't work that way. 520 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: Skipp and Shannon, when they're on good terms, they can 521 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: do it. But now that's the thing, when you got 522 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: that we highlight each other television show at sometimes it 523 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: ain't gonna it ain't gonna be games, right, So how 524 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: do you navigate that hosting your own you know we're 525 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: gonna be good with some roll. How do you navigate 526 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: that hosting your own show? Oh, I ain't gotta argue 527 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: with nobody no more. Yeah, but I'm talking about you know, 528 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: we know people like to see some type of conflict. Yeah, 529 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: do you feel the need to like stir something? No, 530 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: because I can't the kind of conflict that we're talking 531 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: about here, Like I feel honest saying this, and I 532 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: don't think aybody's gonna look at me for being a 533 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: jerk for it, right, would you want to argue with 534 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: me on television, No would you? No, Like I wouldn't 535 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: want to argue withoud be. I can have a conversation, conversation, 536 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: but like y'all bring it to you right now, most 537 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: people aren't. Like, that's not a winning proposition for most people. 538 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: So you can't approach somebody like BUMI emotionally, I'm gonna 539 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: lose everything. But then I can't approach them emotionally because 540 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: then I just look like a bullet, right, I don't 541 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: look like like I like it works better, Like if 542 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: you saw the thing I had with Jake Paul the 543 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: other that back and forth I knew going in if 544 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Jake Paul tried me, I'm gonna just let them do it. 545 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: Let's keep going, okay, okay, Like I'm a video game 546 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: boss when it comes to arguing stuff like, I don't 547 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: have to prove anything to those people, so I can 548 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: just lay back and go with it what I find 549 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: works better for me. Like when my podcast, people like 550 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: to hear me talk to my friends, Like they don't 551 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: want to hear me in conflict. They want to hear 552 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: me chilling because that to them is like the refreshing 553 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: part of it. It's like, yo, right, Baumney's actually just 554 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: like one of our friends. We can just hang out 555 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: and talk about this stuff. But other people, I get 556 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: why they feel like they gotta And I'm not saying 557 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: that the people we talked about a manufacturing conflict, but 558 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: I know why a lot of people feel like they 559 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: have to manufacture conflict. But I can just make people 560 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: man getting out of bed, like I ain't really got 561 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: to try hard to get them to that place. Well, 562 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: we appreciate you for stopping through broo game theory. What's 563 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: what's the days again? Is it still Sunday? Oh no, 564 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: We're on Friday. Now. Friday's eleven eastern on HBO on 565 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: HBO Max BEI all right, after Real Time with Bill 566 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: Maher And this week, I believe our in studio guest 567 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: is Gilbert Arenas. Okay, yes, this should uh, this should 568 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: be interesting. This is the rare time where I'm like, 569 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: what in the world am I gonna do with this interview? 570 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: I have this go any direction? So we got that 571 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: getting ready for the super Bowl. You've a good, good, 572 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: good conversation. Though you know one thing other thing's gonna 573 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: ask you. People will look at you and they see 574 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: you on HBO and they think, man who some people 575 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: might think, but money came out of nowhere, but they 576 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: don't realize you've had a long broad got created at 577 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: the debate, I was just having in here earlier because 578 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, there's no point of entry to 579 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: to podcast or I have no idea how you do 580 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: it anymore, Like I was. I was talking to Jamal 581 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: about this yesterday when she was like, if somebody young 582 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: came ask you how you get in the game, what 583 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: would you tell them? And I would tell them I 584 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, turn your compute on because because I 585 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: feel like you haven't skipped any steps. Being that you 586 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: haven't skipped any steps, you have the skill set to 587 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: sustain where you are. I feel like with these new people, 588 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: they just turn on the microphones start their podcasts and 589 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: they haven't acquired any skills from the skifferent steps. And 590 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't know where you get them, right, Like I 591 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: don't know if this podcast school right, Like I don't 592 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: know if you know, like if the colleges or whatever 593 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: or like teaching people how to get in and do this. 594 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: But like I remember when I first got in the game, 595 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: I got in writing and I did skip steps, but 596 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: I was working with editors and people who were making 597 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: me better and then gradually, like there were things that 598 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: we figured out and we got to the place where 599 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, cool, this is where I am. But 600 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: now with the podcast game, when I talk to people 601 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: and they asked me like what can they do to 602 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: get on? They never asking me how to make they 603 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: work better. They're like, hey, so what can I do 604 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: with my Twitter or my TikTok, you know, to get 605 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: people to see it? And I'm like, look, network can 606 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: sign yeah, and I'm like exposed to get you exposed, 607 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: Like if your work is not ready to be seen, 608 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: you don't want This is where people talking about coming 609 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: in here just a little bit earlier, like hey man, 610 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: people are gonna give you one shot. Like if what 611 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: you got ain't there, you don't want to put that 612 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: before the world. So you need to do whatever it 613 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: takes to make your work better and then hope that 614 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: the people who listen to you will share. Like Chuck 615 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: d says something it's like ten years ago online, I'll 616 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: never forget, And his point was if you have a 617 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: band or a rap group, whatever it is, and you 618 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: got a Facebook fan page, and that Facebook fan page 619 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: has ten fans. Your fan page needs to serve those 620 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: ten fans. They're all like corporate thinking is I'm gonna 621 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: serve all these people who ain't there, serve those ten people, 622 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: and then those ten people will tell somebody else about it, 623 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: and now your ten might turn to twelve, and then 624 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: your twelve might turn to fourteen or whatever it is. 625 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: But what they could do is get you your own 626 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: little audience and serve it and get better and get better, 627 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: and then from there somebody might notice you. But even 628 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: like it was ten twelve years ago, like I got 629 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: on TV via Twitter, right, I got the attention to 630 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: people who made decisions sending tweets. Twitter so overcrowded and 631 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: nobody does anything productive there. I don't even know if 632 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: you can impress anybody on Twitter to get off. So like, 633 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: if you want to do this, you better love it, 634 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: because since everybody else is doing it, it ain't gonna 635 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: be no money out there for you very long either. Exactly, 636 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: this is a tough game right now, that's right, as 637 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: you get you exposed Jones, that's right, watch either to 638 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: a game theory man just Friday, right after Bill Mah 639 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: Bill it's the Breakfast Club, Go Morning, oh Man. The 640 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: throne got a wire.