WEBVTT - 7. Morning Light

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin no more going home. I'm on the ninth floor

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<v Speaker 1>of the LA County Courthouse. It's the celebrity murder floor.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where O. J. Simpson was tried, and Phil Spector,

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<v Speaker 1>the grim Sleeper, the night Stalker, and now Anthony Rowda.

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<v Speaker 1>Rowd has been awaiting trial for over a year. He

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<v Speaker 1>looks like he's aged a decade. He's in a restraint chair,

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<v Speaker 1>arms strapped down, doubtless the result of so many courtroom disruptions.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets wheeled in backwards by half a dozen deputies.

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<v Speaker 1>They're filming him, but the judge won't let me record

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom, so I take notes the old fashioned

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<v Speaker 1>way by hand in my reporter's notebook. By now, Route's

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<v Speaker 1>exhausted the public defender's office and the alternate public defender's office.

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<v Speaker 1>He's onto a private attorney who represents indigent clients. But

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<v Speaker 1>still at almost every hearing he's asking the judge, sometimes nicely,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes not if he can represent himself. The question of

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<v Speaker 1>Routa's mental state hangs over the whole proceeding. Which Route

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<v Speaker 1>will show up today, what will provoke his rage? Is

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<v Speaker 1>anyone going to mention the fact that he seems completely

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<v Speaker 1>unstable today, he's a rate. He's yelling at the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>A crime scene is outdoors, there was a fire, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>his ballistics expert time is passing time he can't get back.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sit in jail another two years,

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<v Speaker 1>he shouts, What do you want me to do? Be dumb?

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<v Speaker 1>Want me to close my eyes and my ears? I

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<v Speaker 1>have a brain, I have a soul, So I use

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't tell me. I'm almost relieved when at

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<v Speaker 1>a later hearing, the judge expresses doubt about his competency

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<v Speaker 1>to stand trial, even though that means everything will slow

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<v Speaker 1>down while he's assessed and stabilized. But what he's yelling

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<v Speaker 1>about today is something I've been thinking about too, the evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>What there is, what there isn't, and what it all

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<v Speaker 1>adds up to in the case against Rowda. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the theory of the case. How would Rowda have

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<v Speaker 1>committed all these crimes? And more important why? I'm Dana

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<v Speaker 1>Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, Episode seven, Morning Light.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm holding a file stamped secret. It's the testimony that

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<v Speaker 1>was presented to a grand jury convened several months back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been unsealed so finally I can see what the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor's thinking. This is her best argument, all the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to present intact, unblemished, no holes poked by

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<v Speaker 1>Rowdah's defense attorney. That'll come later when the criminal trial

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<v Speaker 1>gets under way. It's surprising, remember near Missus one through five,

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<v Speaker 1>the shootings that use shotgun AMMO. She says. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement never found a shotgun is that there never

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<v Speaker 1>was one. She says, Anthony Rowda used a zip gun,

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<v Speaker 1>a crude DIY weapon he made out of pipes and nails.

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<v Speaker 1>She called various investigators to testify to the grand jury.

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<v Speaker 1>They said they found shotgun shells at Rowdah's camp that

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<v Speaker 1>had markings indicating they hadn't been fired from a manufactured gun.

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<v Speaker 1>They also said they found pipes and nails, But pipes

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<v Speaker 1>and nails don't constitute a zip gun. They're just some

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<v Speaker 1>of the elements. It's like if you walked into a

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and saw milk, eggs, and sugar some dirty cake pans.

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<v Speaker 1>You might infer a cake had been made, but you

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<v Speaker 1>also might wonder where's the flour. The prosecutor says Routa

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<v Speaker 1>was fixated on killing when the homemade zip gun didn't kill.

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<v Speaker 1>She says he left the area around Malibu Creek State Park,

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<v Speaker 1>went to northern California. Cell Phone data places him there

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<v Speaker 1>in January twenty eighteen, and when he came back a

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<v Speaker 1>few months later, she says he had a new weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>a nine millimeter carbing, and that's what allowed him to

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<v Speaker 1>fulfill his deadly plan. Hallelujah blessed Mary Crazy's back. So

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<v Speaker 1>we went from a crudely cobbled together zip gun to

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<v Speaker 1>a precise and deadly semi automatic weapon, the nine millimeter carbing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never even heard of a zip gun and know

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<v Speaker 1>almost as little about carbs. I call up Greg Block,

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<v Speaker 1>the weapons expert. Again. A zip gun is a homemade,

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<v Speaker 1>make it yourself gun, normally shooting shotgun rounds. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple pieces of pipe, he says. Everything you need to

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<v Speaker 1>make a zip gun you can get at the hardware store.

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<v Speaker 1>The most basic would be a pipe to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>shot shell, a nail, and something to force the nail

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<v Speaker 1>into the back of the shell. Basically, they're a weapon

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<v Speaker 1>for a person that cannot legally purchase one. So since

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<v Speaker 1>Rowdah couldn't buy regular weapons and had gone to prison twice,

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<v Speaker 1>for having antique weapons, maybe the next logical step the

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<v Speaker 1>last resort was to make his own. It also fits

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<v Speaker 1>Rowdah's survivalist lifestyle. One of his favorite survivalist authors wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a book which Rawdah owned, called Gorilla Gunsmithing, about making

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<v Speaker 1>your own weapons. Greg tells me that zip guns are dangerous, clumsy,

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<v Speaker 1>and imprecise. They're unreliable if not made properly. They do

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<v Speaker 1>not have an effective range. A zip gun is for

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<v Speaker 1>up close personal, he says. You've got to be really

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<v Speaker 1>motivated to build one. Usually it's hardcore gun geeks and teenagers.

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<v Speaker 1>Depending upon the metal he's using for one or both

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of pipe, it could blow up in his hand

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<v Speaker 1>because when that round goes off, you're causing an explosion.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're not using good metal, that barrel could

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<v Speaker 1>separate like a banana peels, and if you're holding that

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<v Speaker 1>in your hands, it's going to get religious. The zip

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<v Speaker 1>theory doesn't just explain why the detectives never found a shotgun.

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<v Speaker 1>It could also explain a distinct feature of near misses

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<v Speaker 1>one through five, the shotgun ammo shootings that took place

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<v Speaker 1>well before Bodette's murder. In those incidents, the shooter fired

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<v Speaker 1>only once. It was one of the oddities, along with

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<v Speaker 1>the time of day in the area that early on

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<v Speaker 1>made Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant Royal think the crimes were connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Reloading a zip gun takes time, which could mean getting caught,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you're hunting ground is a crowded public park.

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<v Speaker 1>So what about the other gun? The one Route was

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<v Speaker 1>arrested with the Macon model was a Ruger PC nine.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks just like a rifle, except that it takes

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<v Speaker 1>a pistol cartridge. A pistol cartridge. In other words, Route

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<v Speaker 1>as rifle took a nine millimeter handgun round. See, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the whole thing with the car being going back

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<v Speaker 1>to the wild West. Whatever your handgun shot, your car

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<v Speaker 1>being shot, or your saddle rifle. Then the Old West,

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<v Speaker 1>you carried a bandalier that had one caliber and it

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<v Speaker 1>was used for your car being and used for your handgun.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ruger PC nine resembles a short barreled military style rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>According to grand jury testimony, Routes had been modified. The stock,

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<v Speaker 1>which rests on the shoulder had been removed. Instead it

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<v Speaker 1>had a pistol grip. And how much does a carving cost?

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<v Speaker 1>You can get him for five or six hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I ask him what people use them for? Hunting? Home defense?

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<v Speaker 1>Not really, They're more for plinking and target shooting. That's

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<v Speaker 1>really what they're designed for. I mean, because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a handgun round. It's really not effective as a

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<v Speaker 1>hunting rifle. So why would someone get one of these

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<v Speaker 1>guns for reasons other than target practice availability? I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that's what he had available to him to get illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he can't go into a gun store and

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<v Speaker 1>buy a gun. He's going to get refused. He will

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<v Speaker 1>fail the California Department of Justice background clearance check. So

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<v Speaker 1>my personal belief is it was probably stolen and he

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<v Speaker 1>bought it from a fence, or maybe he stolen himself.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know. Greg says that the Ruger PC nine

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<v Speaker 1>is a loud gun. There's actually two noises. When you

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<v Speaker 1>hear the noise of the gun going off, and then

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<v Speaker 1>down range you hear what is, basically, for lack of

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<v Speaker 1>a better description, a sonic boom, just like an airplane

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<v Speaker 1>a flash on Scott McCurdy, Tristan Boudette's brother in law,

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<v Speaker 1>and his bleary thought in the early morning hours that

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<v Speaker 1>he was hearing the crack of fireworks and the sonic boom.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what would sound possibly like fireworks? Yes, very

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<v Speaker 1>much so. And how accurate is it? I'll do one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred yards. You can do a head shot with it

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<v Speaker 1>if you know what you're doing. That's a long range.

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<v Speaker 1>But even at that maximum distance, the shooter still might

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<v Speaker 1>have heard the Boudette girls crying. Before we get off

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<v Speaker 1>the phone, I ask Greg for his best guess as

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<v Speaker 1>to what happened to the zip gun, that cake that

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor assumes existed, but which detectives never found. Once

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<v Speaker 1>he got the newer modern Ruger PC nine, he would

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<v Speaker 1>either bury, hide, or stash his previous weapons. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see him throwing them away because he may need them

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<v Speaker 1>down the road. I go back to thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor's evidence based on what she presented to the grand jury.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot she has and a lot she doesn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have the zip gun, just some pipes and

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<v Speaker 1>nails and spent shells with suspicious markings on them. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have witnesses placing Routa at the scene of any

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<v Speaker 1>of the near misses, and she doesn't have Routa in

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<v Speaker 1>the campground at Malibu Creek State Park with the rifle

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the murder. But she does have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of data from all those electronic devices found

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<v Speaker 1>in Routah's backpack and on his camp mark. Donald, that

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<v Speaker 1>Major Crimes detective told the grand jury that location data

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<v Speaker 1>from the devices put Routa in the general area of

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<v Speaker 1>the park on the dates of many of the crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the stuff that was stored on the devices.

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<v Speaker 1>One of Routa's phones had a file on how to

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<v Speaker 1>make zip guns. The kindle had one called expedient Homemade Firearms.

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<v Speaker 1>Routah's search history tells a story too, quote bullet hits

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<v Speaker 1>car gas tank and quote nine millimeter incendiary bullets. And

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<v Speaker 1>on the morning of the murder, the prosecutor says Rowda

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<v Speaker 1>was nearby, Andy was awake an hour before Bodett was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>One of Rodda's devices pinged on a nearby network, suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that he was in the area. About ten minutes after

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<v Speaker 1>Bodett was killed, Rowda's searched breaking news headlines. Here's something

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<v Speaker 1>else the prosecutor has which will probably be more important

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<v Speaker 1>in the eyes of a future jury than any other

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<v Speaker 1>single piece of evidence. She has the Sheriff's Department weapons expert.

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<v Speaker 1>He testified to the grand jury that the bullet excavated

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<v Speaker 1>from Tristan Bodet's right shoulder was fired by Rowdah's rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond positing that Anthony Rowda was a killer bent on killing,

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor hasn't offered much about why. Why would he

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<v Speaker 1>have done these things? What would have motivated him? She's

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<v Speaker 1>got ideas about the mechanics, but nothing about the meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>From the research I've been doing, listening to his music,

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<v Speaker 1>listening to him in his letters, reading all those court documents,

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<v Speaker 1>I've started to see some patterns. I wonder if there's

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<v Speaker 1>anything else out there that could help me understand him.

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<v Speaker 1>I head back to the Internet to see what else

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<v Speaker 1>I can find out. He's got a couple of LinkedIn pages,

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<v Speaker 1>a word Press account, all those music sharing pages. He's Crazyhorse,

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<v Speaker 1>He's Tony Rowda MC. He was almost in hiding in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world, but online he really put himself out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he wanted to be noticed as a musician

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<v Speaker 1>and also as a writer. I searched up one of

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<v Speaker 1>his aliases, Crazyhorse to one, and that's how I discover

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<v Speaker 1>there's only one way to say it, a pair of manifestos.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a great debate going on now about the

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<v Speaker 1>Illuminati and New World Order. This is from one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called The True Illuminati. Rata posted it in twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Rada's letters, his writings are being read by an

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<v Speaker 1>actor and have been lightly edited for clarity. I first

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the New World Order through music albums in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen nineties, and the Illuminati a few years

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<v Speaker 1>later through the same channels. It's cut and paced conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>Theory the tracks from King David to George Washington, Freemasons,

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<v Speaker 1>Skull and Bones, Morgan Stanley, and the founder of FedEx.

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<v Speaker 1>I obviously listened and formed my own opinion, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was only years later, when fighting some legal court cases,

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<v Speaker 1>that I seen firsthand the existence of these illuminary beings.

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<v Speaker 1>The other manifesto is called The Luciferian Theory. It too

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<v Speaker 1>was posted in twenty eighteen. On the cover, there's an

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<v Speaker 1>etching of a voluptuous eve handing an apple to Adam.

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<v Speaker 1>They're naked in the garden underneath the Tree of Knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>The snake dangles from a branch above, just as there

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<v Speaker 1>is a choice of good and evil. A person must

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<v Speaker 1>decide between a nightmare or a vision in their way

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking. This is where a Lucifer dwells. The Luciferian

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<v Speaker 1>theory is named for Lucifer. He was one of God's

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<v Speaker 1>favorites until he tried to overthrow him and was cast

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<v Speaker 1>out of heaven. Narcissism and sadism are the foundation of

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<v Speaker 1>my theory. They are the devil's marks. After his banishment,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucifer stopped by the garden of Eden. Now with a

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<v Speaker 1>God's eye, which means using facts and truth, we look

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<v Speaker 1>to the paradise where what they call the stage is set,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lucifer is about to set a scene in how

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<v Speaker 1>to commit murder. Route is fascinated by Satan. Satan was

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<v Speaker 1>like a snake in the grass. That he could still

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<v Speaker 1>move quickly and strike with one lethal move, and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was cunning and beautiful also plays into the story.

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<v Speaker 1>He says he personally has felt Satan's manipulations through my

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<v Speaker 1>own experience from my family life, community, my short time

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<v Speaker 1>in the army, and the legal system. I have seen

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<v Speaker 1>firsthand what mind games can accomplish or destroy. Mind games,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, lead to pain, trauma, alienation, and ultimately paranoia.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most common tactics is to plant doubt

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<v Speaker 1>in the individual, either by sexual inadequacy such as thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of homosexuality when they're not, bring out the individual's feelings

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<v Speaker 1>of insecurity, shame, guilt, and by some force or threat

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<v Speaker 1>cause feelings of loneliness. Then, once alienated, they hope to

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<v Speaker 1>wear the mind down. Paranoia develops and the individual begins

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<v Speaker 1>to become suspicious of those close to them. Person can

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<v Speaker 1>feel betrayed of what is true and who to trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the unfairness that sense Rauta has that he

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<v Speaker 1>is the victim that supposedly good people do bad things

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<v Speaker 1>to him and then he gets punished for it. So

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<v Speaker 1>why did these things happen? Did I do anything to

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<v Speaker 1>these people? No? Shouldn't these people be suffering a state

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<v Speaker 1>of hell and not me? The manifesto has dated April ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, that's two and a half months before Tristan

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<v Speaker 1>Boudett was killed In it. Rada sounds tortured, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>in a cosmic battle for his soul. Like he said,

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<v Speaker 1>person must decide it's nightmare or vision immortal vision. I

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<v Speaker 1>promise you I will not lose my soul. The only

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<v Speaker 1>official assessment I have of Routah's mental health is a

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<v Speaker 1>form attached to one of his court cases. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>case he brought in two thousand and six against the

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<v Speaker 1>California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, claiming abuse and civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights violations while he was in prison. Next to developmental problem,

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<v Speaker 1>the form says abuse eleventh grade education ged. If you

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<v Speaker 1>read that as a chronology, it's a pretty awful coming

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<v Speaker 1>of age story. The form says that in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two, Routa twice attempted suicide by pills, and that

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<v Speaker 1>he has a history of alcohol in marijuana use and

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<v Speaker 1>a history of depression and PTSD. The PTSD stems from

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<v Speaker 1>an ledged two thousand and three assault in the Ela

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<v Speaker 1>County jail. Rada has documented this allegation elsewhere, that he

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<v Speaker 1>was badly assaulted by five or six other inmates and

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<v Speaker 1>the deputies failed to protect him. His father, Ozzie, told

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<v Speaker 1>me that the deputies were the ones who left his

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<v Speaker 1>cell open, facilitating the attack. The form says he's been

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<v Speaker 1>prescribed the antidepressant Lexapro and the antipsychotic whispered All which

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<v Speaker 1>at low doses can be used to treat depression, and

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<v Speaker 1>at high doses is used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>In a letter from jail, Rada wrote, my mental health

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<v Speaker 1>had got worse as I've gotten older, but living alone

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<v Speaker 1>has helped, even though being alone or in jail is

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<v Speaker 1>what caused it. I'm not sleeping well right now. Somehow

0:20:55.756 --> 0:20:59.356
<v Speaker 1>my thoughts get dark. I do not like taking medication.

0:21:00.036 --> 0:21:04.756
<v Speaker 1>I usually receive counseling when I want outside or inside.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me that when it's up to him, he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take meds. He also said he drinks sometimes to

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<v Speaker 1>the point of oblivion. When I was free, I drank

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<v Speaker 1>liquor when I could, and my memory was sometimes bad.

0:21:18.436 --> 0:21:20.876
<v Speaker 1>I would forget my age, write down what I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do so I wouldn't forget I've lacked out sometimes?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he trying to tell me that he may have

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<v Speaker 1>done things he doesn't even know he did. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand rowdas psychology, to imagine what his motive could

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<v Speaker 1>have been. What I've been able to assemble combing through

0:21:38.596 --> 0:21:43.596
<v Speaker 1>his writings and court documents is a weird, sad, scattered jumble,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's far short of an explanation, still nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest a why I decided to call a psychologist. I

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<v Speaker 1>find someone who specializes in adult male offenders, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>connection between childhood trauma and adult deviance. His name is

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<v Speaker 1>doctor James Revs. He's never examined Anthony Rowda, but he

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<v Speaker 1>agrees to give me some educated guesses. I tell him

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<v Speaker 1>everything I know about Rouda's past, what I've observed, and

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<v Speaker 1>the crimes he's accused of. Now, the heat that you

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about in regard to his emotionality, that to

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<v Speaker 1>me comes from something that he has undergone, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, someone has betrayed his trust or hurt him,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least he perceives that to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Revas says, it doesn't sound like rout is a psychopath.

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<v Speaker 1>He sees him more as quote intelligent, wounded, impulsive, obsessional,

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<v Speaker 1>and poorly skilled. I just have the sense, as you talk,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of heat behind all of these acts,

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not coldly premeditated in the service of gaining

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<v Speaker 1>some good. That there's a lot behind that Rauta, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a textbook narcissist. You also mentioned that he

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<v Speaker 1>acted as his own attorney in court, and many, many

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<v Speaker 1>narcissistic criminals will do that, and he did that, for example,

0:23:11.436 --> 0:23:14.676
<v Speaker 1>because they believe that they are smarter than their own counsel.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then it may be that the murder and

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<v Speaker 1>the shootings are sort of a narcissistic compensation for feelings

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<v Speaker 1>of insecurity. My guess is it may make him feel

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<v Speaker 1>very very powerful. If in fact he set fires, it

0:23:33.916 --> 0:23:37.356
<v Speaker 1>may make him feel very very powerful. It's his way

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of giving the middle finger to the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I've witnessed Rout to do exactly literally this give the

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<v Speaker 1>middle finger to the TV cameras in court. My guess

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<v Speaker 1>is what's happening is it makes him feel omnipotent, all powerful,

0:23:53.236 --> 0:23:56.916
<v Speaker 1>and probably in that moment it's massively relieving of all

0:23:56.916 --> 0:24:01.036
<v Speaker 1>of these other negative tensions inside of him. So shooting

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<v Speaker 1>cars and people could make him feel masculine, powerful and important,

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<v Speaker 1>godlike even getting to decide who and who dies. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be very satisfying for someone who's identified as a

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<v Speaker 1>victim for so long. He's going away with a bang.

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<v Speaker 1>He's pronounced if he's doing these things, he's pronouncing that

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<v Speaker 1>he's still there. He's going away and then coming back

0:24:24.676 --> 0:24:28.396
<v Speaker 1>and engaging an aggression, you know. So to me it's anger,

0:24:28.916 --> 0:24:34.836
<v Speaker 1>narcissism and paranoia. Well that's one person anyway who can

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<v Speaker 1>figure an explanation for a series of violent crimes against

0:24:38.236 --> 0:24:43.516
<v Speaker 1>unsuspecting strangers. But in his letters and in court, Rauda

0:24:43.676 --> 0:24:48.116
<v Speaker 1>keeps saying he's innocent. I go back to his writings,

0:24:48.756 --> 0:24:53.276
<v Speaker 1>the manifesto he published just before Tristan Boudette's murder. I

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<v Speaker 1>force myself to reread the Luciferian theory. Rowda makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of connections. There's stuff about the third eye the sun,

0:25:04.316 --> 0:25:08.676
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot about Lucifer. Lucifer equals light equals

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<v Speaker 1>in light. Mint to stay on the subject, my theory

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<v Speaker 1>of an ancient secret knowledge being passed down through history

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<v Speaker 1>by Lucifer. The name Lucifer literally means the morning star

0:25:19.916 --> 0:25:23.796
<v Speaker 1>the planet venus or is like bringing onto the highest

0:25:23.836 --> 0:25:28.756
<v Speaker 1>of initiates. Lucifer. The name actually means the one who

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<v Speaker 1>brings the light, the morning star, first light. That makes

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<v Speaker 1>me think about the timing of the crimes just before

0:25:36.516 --> 0:25:40.996
<v Speaker 1>the morning light, and something I'd skimmed right past before

0:25:41.596 --> 0:25:45.236
<v Speaker 1>jumps out at me this time. Routa makes a reference

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<v Speaker 1>to Saint John's Day, the feast day of John the Baptist.

0:25:49.316 --> 0:25:52.356
<v Speaker 1>It's in late June, and it's a big deal to Freemasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the Illuminati routa frets about the most. He

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<v Speaker 1>writes that a quote happens to be Midsummer's Day, the

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<v Speaker 1>day the sun is at its strongest. Midsummer's Day, the

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<v Speaker 1>day the sun is at its strongest is the solstice,

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<v Speaker 1>the longest day of the year. It's a day that,

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<v Speaker 1>in old religious myths, represents a turning point in the

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<v Speaker 1>battle between light and shadow, when the Winter King begins

0:26:18.836 --> 0:26:24.996
<v Speaker 1>his ascendants by killing the Summer King. In twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Midsummer's Day was June twenty first, the day Tristan Bodett

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<v Speaker 1>took his children camping, The last day of Tristan Bodett's life.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been living with Anthony Rawda for two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half years now. My office is full of his stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>At one end of my desk I keep a stack

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<v Speaker 1>of books on how to disappear, how to survive in apocalypse,

0:27:18.076 --> 0:27:20.316
<v Speaker 1>live off the land, build a bomb, or make a

0:27:20.316 --> 0:27:23.676
<v Speaker 1>gun from scratch. They are all books I know He's

0:27:23.676 --> 0:27:26.596
<v Speaker 1>owned at one time or another in his life. I've

0:27:26.596 --> 0:27:30.516
<v Speaker 1>got file, boxes of notebooks, court filings, letters, his lists

0:27:30.516 --> 0:27:36.836
<v Speaker 1>of grievances, misdirections, red herrings, split hairs. Why has no

0:27:36.876 --> 0:27:40.396
<v Speaker 1>one asked law enforcement why they have lied? Why has

0:27:40.436 --> 0:27:43.196
<v Speaker 1>no lawyer wished to represent me? Why has no one

0:27:43.236 --> 0:27:45.996
<v Speaker 1>tried to prove my accusations of the sheriff's assaulting me

0:27:46.036 --> 0:27:49.396
<v Speaker 1>as lies? Why did the sheriff tell the media I

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<v Speaker 1>was a suspect in the murder of mister Baudet on

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<v Speaker 1>the day of my arrest, when the rifle had not

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<v Speaker 1>been tested and I did not admit any wrongdoing. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is there no direct evidence leading me to the attempted

0:28:00.996 --> 0:28:04.676
<v Speaker 1>murder when the Sheriff's department official statement to Lieutenant Royal

0:28:04.876 --> 0:28:08.556
<v Speaker 1>is that these crimes were not connected. Why did Lieutenant

0:28:08.596 --> 0:28:12.196
<v Speaker 1>Royals in instigation not lead to any suspects. The media's

0:28:12.236 --> 0:28:15.076
<v Speaker 1>portrayal of me has been slanderous. I have not been

0:28:15.116 --> 0:28:19.076
<v Speaker 1>to Maliboon years. I spend a lot of time looking

0:28:19.076 --> 0:28:22.596
<v Speaker 1>at his drawings, especially one that was published in a

0:28:22.636 --> 0:28:26.556
<v Speaker 1>prison literary magazine in twenty sixteen, the year he was

0:28:26.596 --> 0:28:31.316
<v Speaker 1>most recently released. On the left are two cops surrounded

0:28:31.316 --> 0:28:35.636
<v Speaker 1>by little word bubbles that say nine one on the right,

0:28:35.956 --> 0:28:38.596
<v Speaker 1>a snake and an apple with a bite out of it.

0:28:39.716 --> 0:28:42.676
<v Speaker 1>Above that, the gates of Eden, with Adam and Eve

0:28:42.956 --> 0:28:47.516
<v Speaker 1>standing underneath a radiant tree of knowledge. They look like

0:28:47.556 --> 0:28:51.556
<v Speaker 1>they're walking away to the east of Eden after the fall.

0:28:53.276 --> 0:28:55.956
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I know Rautah a little now, and

0:28:56.076 --> 0:28:59.236
<v Speaker 1>I think he's grafted this story of paradise and loss

0:28:59.516 --> 0:29:04.796
<v Speaker 1>onto his own and his artist's name, Crazy Horse. It's

0:29:04.796 --> 0:29:09.556
<v Speaker 1>not random either. The original Crazy Horse defeated custom Army

0:29:09.596 --> 0:29:12.036
<v Speaker 1>at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. He met

0:29:12.076 --> 0:29:15.916
<v Speaker 1>the army in steep and treacherous terrain, then killed Custer

0:29:16.196 --> 0:29:19.796
<v Speaker 1>and every last one of his men. That sounds like

0:29:19.796 --> 0:29:23.636
<v Speaker 1>a rout of revenge fantasy come true. And you know

0:29:23.636 --> 0:29:34.756
<v Speaker 1>how Crazy Horse died resisting imprisonment. Ded Rouda says he's

0:29:34.796 --> 0:29:38.276
<v Speaker 1>not guilty and the trial will determine that. But here's

0:29:38.276 --> 0:29:42.636
<v Speaker 1>what I think. Part of Anthony Rowda wants to be

0:29:42.716 --> 0:29:45.916
<v Speaker 1>left alone. Part of him is dying for a fight.

0:29:47.156 --> 0:29:49.436
<v Speaker 1>And now that I know about his hatred of police,

0:29:49.796 --> 0:29:52.636
<v Speaker 1>his long and contentious relationship with the Lost Hills cops,

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<v Speaker 1>I have my own theory of the case. It was

0:29:57.196 --> 0:30:00.836
<v Speaker 1>never about Tristan Boudet or Campers or someone getting in

0:30:00.876 --> 0:30:04.476
<v Speaker 1>his way as he was stealing food. I think Rouda

0:30:04.556 --> 0:30:07.556
<v Speaker 1>camped behind Lost Hill Station and started shooting off his

0:30:07.636 --> 0:30:11.076
<v Speaker 1>guns to make fool of the cops, to draw them

0:30:11.076 --> 0:30:14.956
<v Speaker 1>into a fight in treacherous terrain where he was comfortable

0:30:15.676 --> 0:30:20.276
<v Speaker 1>to kill them or be killed. One of the cops

0:30:20.316 --> 0:30:22.716
<v Speaker 1>told me that during Radah's arrest, he was shouting at

0:30:22.716 --> 0:30:27.276
<v Speaker 1>the deputies stuff like kill me, fucking shoot me before

0:30:27.396 --> 0:30:36.956
<v Speaker 1>I get you. On my desk, I keep a map

0:30:36.996 --> 0:30:39.756
<v Speaker 1>I printed out that covers Malibu Creek State Park in

0:30:39.836 --> 0:30:43.636
<v Speaker 1>the surrounding area. It's annotated with every crime route as

0:30:43.636 --> 0:30:49.716
<v Speaker 1>accused of dates, victims, jurisdiction, ammunition. I also marked Ratah's

0:30:49.756 --> 0:30:54.196
<v Speaker 1>camp north of a hairpin turn on Mulholland Highway. I

0:30:54.276 --> 0:30:58.396
<v Speaker 1>need to get out there. I still haven't been. I

0:30:58.476 --> 0:31:01.516
<v Speaker 1>searched my inbox for correspondence with Lou, the guy in

0:31:01.556 --> 0:31:03.156
<v Speaker 1>the Maga hat that I met on the tour of

0:31:03.196 --> 0:31:06.356
<v Speaker 1>Malibu Creek State Park. I remember he said he'd take

0:31:06.396 --> 0:31:09.916
<v Speaker 1>me to Ratah's camp, and that's how I come across

0:31:09.916 --> 0:31:12.396
<v Speaker 1>a photo album that Lou shared with me a while back,

0:31:13.036 --> 0:31:15.356
<v Speaker 1>pictures he took when he went to Routah's camp. A

0:31:15.356 --> 0:31:19.556
<v Speaker 1>few weeks after he was arrested, I clicked through them again.

0:31:20.116 --> 0:31:22.396
<v Speaker 1>I've looked at them a handful of times, always with

0:31:22.436 --> 0:31:27.796
<v Speaker 1>a vaguely disappointed feeling. They look like nothing, dry gray

0:31:27.876 --> 0:31:32.356
<v Speaker 1>and brown leaves littering the hillsides, pieces of blue tarp boring.

0:31:33.956 --> 0:31:37.036
<v Speaker 1>But this time I see something I never noticed before.

0:31:37.756 --> 0:31:39.836
<v Speaker 1>In one of the pictures, there's a piece of scrap

0:31:39.916 --> 0:31:43.716
<v Speaker 1>wood that looks almost like garbage. It's roughly l shaped,

0:31:43.876 --> 0:31:47.036
<v Speaker 1>with all kinds of crude notches and cuts, an odd

0:31:47.076 --> 0:31:51.356
<v Speaker 1>shape like a puzzle piece. By now, I've spent a

0:31:51.356 --> 0:31:53.996
<v Speaker 1>lot of time looking at diagrams and images of homemade

0:31:53.996 --> 0:31:59.676
<v Speaker 1>guns in Routah's books on YouTube. Am I seeing what

0:31:59.836 --> 0:32:03.996
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm seeing? This piece of wood looks to

0:32:04.076 --> 0:32:07.436
<v Speaker 1>me like the frame for a zip gun. Maybe the

0:32:07.556 --> 0:32:12.116
<v Speaker 1>last ingredient route would have to bake the cake, and

0:32:12.236 --> 0:32:19.596
<v Speaker 1>it was in his camp. I call up Greg Block again,

0:32:19.956 --> 0:32:24.156
<v Speaker 1>he's the weapon's expert. Okay, can you yeah describe what

0:32:24.196 --> 0:32:28.396
<v Speaker 1>you see? It doesn't look like a random piece of wood.

0:32:28.916 --> 0:32:33.276
<v Speaker 1>It looks like it was made to do something or

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<v Speaker 1>be something. I mean, it's got a lot of cuts

0:32:38.836 --> 0:32:42.476
<v Speaker 1>in it that are made for a certain reason. On

0:32:42.476 --> 0:32:44.756
<v Speaker 1>one side, there's what looks like a handle or a

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<v Speaker 1>way to grip it. Above that part of the wood

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<v Speaker 1>has been removed, possibly to make space for a barrel,

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<v Speaker 1>and just in front of the grip is another series

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<v Speaker 1>of cuts, notches in a zigzag line. Those notches are

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<v Speaker 1>very crude and rudimentary. It was done by hand. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you'd have to ask, why is that piece of

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<v Speaker 1>wood in this area? It is definitely suspicious. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>cut and designed for one thing, which is something to

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<v Speaker 1>launch a projectile commonly referred to as a zip gun.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigators knew they were looking for a zip gun,

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<v Speaker 1>and they knew they hadn't found all the necessary elements.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're law enforcement and you know you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a zip gun and you see this on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do? You're taking his evidence. This idea

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<v Speaker 1>is so crazy. I call up a couple of hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>gun geeks YouTubers who make guns all the time. We

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the limitations of the photograph. It's taken from above,

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't show the object in three dimensions. Close

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<v Speaker 1>inspection might yield other interpretations. But still they both say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that it's not crazy to think this

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<v Speaker 1>might be a prototype or a rough draft. One of

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<v Speaker 1>them says, I can make a zip gun out of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Law enforcement never found the weapon used in near misses

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<v Speaker 1>one through five. They found some elements, pipes and nails,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing close to a finished product. Could this be

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<v Speaker 1>the missing ingredient? The cops combed through Rout's camp multiple

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<v Speaker 1>times and no one picked it up. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened the day after lou took that photo, the

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<v Speaker 1>Wolsey fire. So now, in all likelihood it's been reduced

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<v Speaker 1>to ash, and all that exists is this photograph. Zip

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<v Speaker 1>guns have another name. They're known as ghost guns. They're untraceable,

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<v Speaker 1>they disappear. I'm having a holy shit kind of realization.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not that I think I've discovered the lost

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<v Speaker 1>puzzle piece that solves the Route A case. It's that

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement overlooked this an object at Route's camp that

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<v Speaker 1>your average gun geek on YouTube could make a weapon from.

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<v Speaker 1>The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, of course, won't comment, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can't stop wondering, how could they have missed this?

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<v Speaker 1>How could they not see it? It's almost like denying

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<v Speaker 1>the existence of the Canyon shooter became a habit the

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement couldn't break. They were so used to saying

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<v Speaker 1>that there was nothing going on out there, no mystery

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<v Speaker 1>to solve, that they couldn't recognize what was right before

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes. Lost Hills is written and hosted by me

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<v Speaker 1>Dana Goodyear. It's produced by Western Sound and Pushkin Industries.

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<v Speaker 1>For more information about my investigation, follow at Lost Hills

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